In the Czech Republic in 1999, the largest tech e-shop at that time, Mironet, started offering PCs without an OS and PCs with Linux preinstalled. One of Microsoft's top managers for the country fabricated a false accusation, leading to a police raid. They seized all the computers and effectively shut down the company's operations for several years. During this period, new stores like Alza and Czech Computer completely dominated the market. Mironet never fully recovered and is still in court today, suing the state for hundreds of millions. At that time, Microsoft behaved almost like a mafia.
@@jsonkody czech mentality has never fully recovered from this mafia like behavior that was hapenning in the 90's in Czechia... A place close to me has been gassed out killing 750 000 chickens due to the possible bird flew. CZC has been bought by Allegro and anything that does good in czech homeland is being either bought out or destroyed
TCP sends data in order, but it does not guarantee that packets will arrive in order at the recipient. However, the TCP header has a sequence number field that allows the recipient to reorder the packets correctly. The correct order of packets cannot be guaranteed over the internet because it is possible for packets to take different routes to the recipient, even if they are sent from the same source. The reliability of the TCP protocol primarily comes from the acknowledgment (ACK) response for each packet. When a packet is received, the recipient sends an ACK back to the sender, confirming successful receipt. If the sender does not receive an ACK within a certain time, it will retransmit the packet. This mechanism ensures that all packets are delivered reliably, but it is not specifically about guaranteeing that packets arrive in order, as TCP handles reordering at the recipient side.
About not setting your mom up to use Linux... I set my grandmother up with Debian to replace her old Mac and she never had a problem. She was in her nineties. She was blown away how I could get her a system that cost 300 bucks that ran better than her old iMac
Tottaly. I set my mom with Ubuntu and all the things she needed was a browser, so she was good to go. However, I used a linux a lot in the past but my last experience going back to a linux desktop was not good. My main gripe was having the hardware acceleration to work on the browser, so I went back to windows in this particular computer.
I installed Linux mint on my grandma old laptop after HDD died. I never heard her complain about anything, she can use her browser, office and print stuff. And it is better for this use case than windows. Much less things to worry about.
Thats why I remember Ubuntu even 10-15 years ago was very much simplified in those parts. The installer was easy, then after installation it was asking for driver support or something. I think it was for the GPU drivers. Install those and everything worked better. There was this media extensions installation "button".. after that all the codecs worked. So it wasn't that straight forward as I explained but pretty much a couple of clicks and you had most of the stuff working like in windows. Besides I remember requiring to download codec packs to windows as well.. not for mp3 but for some video files. Fmmpeg packs etc. And nowadays windows is trying to sell me hvec and heic formats from the store..?
I mean you are right but at least terminal tells you what else do you need to install to work with codecs and etc. i assume you twlk this because of debian 'issue' that you can easily fix with few lines in terminal and apt set up
When you buy a server, whatever you want comes installed. Windows, being the more expensive option. Not a good answer for why linux isnt used more in IT or by IT professionals. The actual answer is because more people know how to use windows, so finding admins for windows servers is cheaper and the on ramp for learning how to admin windows server is easier because most people know windows at some level.
It's not the main reason - if it came pre-installed on my machine, I'd still have to uninstall it and put windows on there - because most of the software I need isn't available on Linux. And Linux isn't great at everything (see audio, it SUCKS at audio).
@@adammiller9029 while true, that is not the same on most desktops, often linux preinstalled from OEM builder is hard. There are some business laptop models from the likes of HP and dell, but vast majority of their ranges are windows the only way I can really guarantee it is to use linux specialist/1st class places like system76 and framework, which are much smaller players.
About the mom anecdote. I think as for all tools, it's about being adapted to the user and their needs. My mom was complaining about her computer becoming very slow and about multiple warnings about security (W7 in 2024). She is not computer literate and is easily confused when interfaces change. I sat down with her and we made a list of everything she does on her computer, we even went through most of them. My assessment was that almost all her needs were handled by a web browser. Being able to explain that to her, to show her the icon she is using was very important. Then, I gave her an option like only GNU+Linux can offer. We'll set a Live USB for her and she can test and confirm that everything works without installing anything. I even had her take notes on how to access the documents on her HDD. After a week of her using the new OS, she too felt good. Next step, I bought her a 3.5" SSD and an external usb3 SATA enclosure. Swapped the disks and installed Lubuntu on the SSD. I showed her how to access the old HDD, explained that if at any time for any reason she wanted to revert to W7, she could just swap the HDD and restart. I sat with her while she copied her files from the W7 install to the new file system. That long text just to say that given the use case GNU+Linux can be a solution that won't be hard to give to an older person. The only thing she had to learn was to accept updates when prompted and type the password to install them.
@@Igbon5 She couldn't install windows or chromeOS neither. The migration process would have been the same. What's different is the live USB option that gave her the reassurance that she could go back at any point.
She also asked for help. It' wasn't FOSS evangelism. She hoped to keep her machine that she liked and asked for help in that regard. No way win10 could be customized to work on her hardware. And W7 is abandon-ware at this point.
@@industrialvectors Fair enough but this use case is minuscule and the fact that Linux needs tech assistance still applies. Also if she were that computer illiterate "just swap the HDD" seems a bit of a stretch. And, why stick with the same machine? Keyboards and screens are awfully similar between even distant generations. A newish machine could be indistinguishable from an older one.
@@Igbon5 I respectfully disagree. Linux does not need tech assistance for basic home/office operations. I also believe that beginners need assistance with all OSes. It just appears that most people are taught with Windows, ChromeOS or MacOS rather than alternatives. The biggest barrier to entry is that most pre-built systems sold come with windows (or perhaps chromeOS). Installing windows isn't trivial either. I'd argue that it's even harder because you now required an account. Strange thing is, most older people I know have no problem using any sort of physical media. As long as it's an object they understand how it's inserted/plugged. Swapping a drive, a physical component hidden behind a 4 screws door is much easier to understand than changing settings. As for the choice of computer, it's not on me. As any aging person my mother is not comfortable with change, she chose and bought her computer 15 or so years ago. She wants to keep using it unless something major happens. Since all she really needs is a modern browser, I didn't argue, a light distro is a great option.
Why don’t more people switch to Linux? Because most people don’t ever even THINK about what an operating system is. 99% of people on this planet have no clue what it is.
I grew up with DOS, I know what an operating system is. Back in the 80s and early 90s the only way to use a P.C was knowing how to use DOS. I know DOS, Linux, Unix, Python, and C++, just not interested in typing commands anymore for my own personal enjoyment such as playing games, surfing the net, watching RUclips, etc. The reason why I won't switch to Linux is because I am done with typing in commands just to accomplish basic tasks when I can just click a button. Hey, you like Linux and that's great, however not everyone wants to type commands to do anything.
It's inertia; people just use want a device out of the box that runs the Apps everyone else is running; it's why Windows Phone flopped against Linux based Android. There is a reason why Microsoft basically gives OEMs licenses for free or even pays them at the cost of bundled bloatware; to protect their inertia which minimizes the impact of companies like System76. It's what Windows 11 telemetry is for; they'll charge the end consumer for licenses, but they are paying OEMs to use Windows 11 with ad revenue. The average Windows users don't even know how to install Windows; they either throw the machine away or bring it to a computer shop and have someone do that for them. Having to make bootable media is already a losing proposition.The install process for modern Linux distros is certainly easier than Windows as you aren't forced to make an account and it's usually bundled with all the drivers you need. Valve put in a lot of work to make the Steam Deck usuable for this level of computer user.
The moment any problem pops up, you're screwed. It's like expecting your average Betty to fix her own car, when she doesn't even know how to pop open the hood. Linux is for mechanics who like constantly tinkering. For people with better things to do, their first Linux problem is their last Linux problem. Paying to simply click a couple of buttons on any other system, instead of memorizing tons of terminal commands, just provides more of that supposed freedom.
I really enjoyed it when my Linux server's package manager somehow managed to mangle the packages and left me in a situation where I could no longer install anything, because it now had circular dependencies - must install package B to install package A, must install package A to install package B. My options were to attempt some kind of manual intervention involving building things from source, which I could certainly do, or wipe the system and start again. Not the first time I'd run into this sort of thing on Linux. Frankly that the system allowed me to do something that would so fundamentally break it is not good. I don't suffer Windows. It happens to do everything I need my operating system to do. I'm happy to use Linux for my servers, because there it does everything I need on a server.
I'm a programmer who hates Apple & Microsoft. I use Linux command line all the time. I REALLY want to like Linux desktop. I try it every 5 years, and each time it sucks, sucks, sucks. I don't use it because it sucks. I don't understand why Linux has no UX experts. Maybe it's too many cooks? Much of UX is objective, not subjective. And Linux never gets it right.
@@orbatos At least it was Apache. Where I work we have customers deploying to Windows IIS servers. They pay A LOT more for those in maintenance alone because it's a hassle and a half to even just keep running, let alone deploy to.
*A list of real reasons:* 1) Too little / insufficient / poor marketing. - The term ‘Linux’ is off-putting for many, if they know it at all. 2) An overwhelming variety of distributions, desktop environments, options for installing software, etc. - Even if you are willing to overcome these hurdles and familiarise yourself with the "ecosystem", you cannot ‘just like that’ switch to something else, as Linux is basically incompatible with itself. 3) Inadequate and inaccessible user interface / design. - Even the supposedly user-friendly distributions struggle with this and, in the worst case, require their users to use the command line for regular tasks. 4) The toxic and supposedly elitist Linux ‘community’. 5) The lack of (commercial) software and poor support for current or new hardware. 6) The lack of sensible / well-thought-out defaults. 7) Lack of / insufficient backward compatibility. 8) Insufficient / unfocused project management *Conclusion:* While Apple and Microsoft have been getting closer and closer to fulfilling the promise of ‘it just works’ with every iteration for decades, Linux is still struggling with the basics. - As long as the Linux ‘community’ does not (want to) realise that nobody is waiting for them, nothing will change. Using Linux as a main OS is basically like using an Old-Timer as a daily driver. You spend more time servicing and maintaining your device than actually driving it. - Setting up and running a Hackintosh as a daily driver is also a fitting metaphor. *A possible way out:* If there's anyone who can save desktop Linux, it's Valve. They have the resources, power, know-how and most importantly the WILL to actually make desktop Linux a thing. - Linus Torvalds thinks so too, by the way.
you basically just described the problem of Open Source.... it great and all... but one entitiy with one vision can achieve so much more and so much more efficiently... that's why basically no Open Source program finds mass adaptation... and a few developers using something is not mass adaptation
@@Chuck_vs._The_Comment_Section LibreOffice yes is a joke even compared to Microsoft office.... Chrome is true though... VLC while it may feel so... did not find mass adaption... the "mass" would include people like your Grandparents, my Grandparents etc etc and i can guarantee you other than Chrome they haven't heard of any of them
I’ve used Linux as fulltime for over a decade, arch fer years - void fer years, now pop os fer years… and I absolutely love it for developing web stuff, building clis, and experimenting with different dev tools and programming languages ... But if I want to print, connect a Bluetooth speaker, or even just get normal audio working out of a headphone jack, I still expect to loose several days pulling my hair out and then i expect the solution to work for no more than 6 months … I love Linux, but I completely understand why more peoples don’t use it.
Ironic... The 3 cases you mentioned (print, Bluetooth and audio sinks/sources management) are the reasons I abandoned Windows for good (cups, bluez and pactl respectively are way better and more straightforward to configure all these, but you need to know what you're doing).
I have a printer that doesn't work with Windows newer than Windows XP and still works out of the box on Linux. I don't change it because it is a laser black and white printer that does all I need it to do.
My attempts for Linux: 1. ASUS laptop - installed mint - everything amazing - the Brightness buttons not working - spend 2 days installing drivers, nothing helped 2. Lenovo laptop - installed ubuntu, everything amazing - wifi not working.... 3. MS Surface - installed ubuntu, everything amazing - touch screen not working 4. My Desktop PC - installed ubuntu, everything amazing - my PCI Wifi module not working,... (no idea who is card manufacturer, text is not there, so no driver)
Err you need to update as soon as you install it. I have Linux on 3 pcs now and on a 2012 mac. I would not do Mint though each ver of Linux is diff for a dif type of users. You would like Majero Linux
@@Joshua.Developer I updated my computers after installing linux... One of the problem also was that when I run Linux from boot disc (without direct installation), those things mostly works, but when I installed them directly, there was always something.
Touch screens and Wi-Fi have a history of never working out of the box in most Linux distros, However, most of the propietary drivers for Linux are very easy to install
That’s not too surprising. You bought hardware that was designed to run an entirely different operating system. It’s pretty cool to me how much does just work out of the box. You can always buy systems designed for Linux from the likes of Tuxedo or System76 if you don’t want to deal with hardware compatibility headaches.
For hardware supoort ubuntu is a bad choice because they take forever to update the kernel, Fedora or PopOS! Are better options in that regard. Its why I stopped using Ubuntu in the first place.
2:20 Just feel like clarifying: I dont think the implication there is that Linux is necessarily good for you, but rather that the argument of "If linux is so good why is nobody using it" -> "If linux were good more people would be using it" doesn't make much sense, since there is no 1:1 correlation between what people do and whats objectively good for them, as evidenced by the fact that exercise is objectively good for you, but not everybody does it. Subtle difference, but still pretty important. Basically, low user numbers cannot be the sole argument against the quality of a product.
User numbers are a direct reflection of the experience people had when trying to use linux. Just like the number of people playing a video game is determined by how good the game is. It doesn't have to be a 1 to 1 correlation. How many windows users tried linux at some point, ultimately to be dissapointed and switch back to windows? Had their linux experience been better, they wouldn't have switched back
@@zenchess One; thats an opinion on a subjective point - so its essentially multiple layers of subjectivity. Two; thats only slightly tangential to the point you are responding to.
@@BruceNJeffAreMyFlies It's kind of ridiculous to argue that there should be a 1 to 1 comparison of people doing things that are 'good for' them. In fact many, many people excersise, saying 'not all people excersise' is hardly an argument. This guy is basically trying to say that the number of linux users has basically nothing to do with the experience people had with linux, which imo is totally false. I'm the perfect example. I have attempted to switch to linux multiple times, but always there was some problem or reason I could not make the switch - and if linux were better I and many other people WOULD make the switch. No, Linux doesn't capture more market share because people simply get a better experience on other operating systems, whether that's due to driver support, game support, graphics card support, or simply the applications they want to use not being available on linux. Linux apologists always point out that you can jump through hoops and use wine or something, but once you've got through wine hell you realize you're better off just using windows, because everything just works and there's no reason to spend hours on google researching how to fix the obscure linux problem you have and compiling source packages to get your hardware to work. I bought a 10G ethernet adapter recently. Guess what - it didn't work plug in play on linux. But it does on windows. These are real examples of where the linux experience is just worse. Don't blame adoption of linux on people not understanding what is best for them - the people are already informed. Make linux better and you will see more adoption.
@@zenchess That's not what they're arguing though. They aren't saying there should be a 1:1 corellation, they're simply pointing out that there isn't one.... Being a better choice is, on its own, EVIDENTLY not enough to draw people away from the worse alternatives. That's an objectively factual statement. Basic logic - if x, then y. 'This guy' is not saying that. Not at all. That's YOUR interpretation of what they said. BIG difference. You can argue, all you want, about user experience. Without actual data, it's all speculation. You can say all that, and more, but I have no further reason to believe it's true - you're just some guy arguing against your own perception rather than anything actually said here. Your speculation is worth no more than that of op. Your speculation is ESPECIALLY invalidated, in my eyes, when you say things like windows 'just works'. Your anecdotes of proprietary software mean little to nothing - a company choosing to support one OS over another does not change anything about how 'good' the OS is. It just changes your experience as a direct result of purchasing from companies that support windows, but do not support linux. That's not an argument, that's just an example of personal sabotage. I can give plenty of my own anecdotes - I can mention that installing linux mint is, both, faster and less effort every time I have done it, compared to windows. I can talk about how most people require little to no time to understand how to do EVERYTHING they ever do on a laptop/desktop computer running linux mint. I can mention that installation through a package manager is faster and easier than downloading and running an executable. I can mention that only moron would need to spend HOURS on google solving a problem on linux, if the same problem wouldn't also take hours to solve on windows. I can give hundreds of anecdotes. But they would all be beside the point. None of that has anything to do with what OP was saying; they were making an accurate clarification regarding the analogy made in the video. "Don't blame adoption of linux on people not understanding what is best for them" Nobody is doing that. Nobody at all.
Hey, I'm a dev and have been using linux for more than a decade (dual booting with windows cause of games and some music software). But I feel if you have to ask this, then you haven't used Linux or have a little common sense. Linux is not more widespread because a) it's not standard (many different flavours, folder structures, rationale, desktop environments, etc), b) it doesn't often come preinstalled, c) even on something as plug-and-play as Ubuntu, sometimes you still have to tweak things manually, editing config files as superuser, typing obscure commands in a terminal and piping it through grep and whatnot, which would be stressful and difficult for a non-technical user, d) shit hardware often has trouble in Linux, even if you have a driver, e) some proprietary professional hardware (in any field) just won't work because of no driver support, f) many proprietary software have no Linux versions and no equally comfortable alternative, g) Linux tends to have more hiccups than Windows after updates... we all know it, we've all lived it, and we continue to live it. And those are just off the top of my head. And I'm a Linux nerd, I just try not to be a hypocrite or act all surprised at why granmas everywhere aren't using Linux on their own. IMO it's a bit like asking why don't more people build their own car, or why isn't Rachmaninov more widely listened to. Well, Linux was never designed to be for everyone, and it still isn't. It's for technical nerds like us. Some may try to make "user friendly" distros, but the moment something goes off the rails, you still gotta fix it the Linux way, if you know what I mean
Linux is actually very much defacto standard to run containers. Folder structure is also standard, there is filesystem hierarchy standard and that is based on unix conventions used over half century. Unlike in Windows where locations changes all the time. Hiccups after updates are related to is it stable system or some rolling release. Like, Windows 7 or 8 were much more stable than like.. Fedora where versions changed all the time. Today Debian is much more stable than Windows Home/Pro. But I don't expect no one to install OS themselves. When production quality Linux based OS is installed ready to someone, it can be very good, decrappfied experience.
user friendly distros are basically our tool for reducing the workload of nerds with families who are super zeroes with computers that call every day because something "doesn't work again"
People get sorted into 3 categories in my world of "providing support to people I know". 1. Chromebook - Everything you do needs to be done in a web browser 2. Linux - You need local storage or want to play/use some more powerful local applications 3. Windows - There is some app you depend on to make your living. The truth is most folks I know I try to get on Chromebooks. My wife has been on Kubuntu since Feisty Fawn. Every time KDE makes changes I have to go in and customize things to her liking again. With that said, her KDE setup is very much now as it was in 2007. The best way for me to get into a knife fight at home would be to try to move her from Kubuntu. Great Grandma runs Windows. She is the one person I am willing to have a hole drilled in my head for to keep their windows rig working....for email and to print a recipe.
"for email and to print a recipe" is exactly the easiest people to move to linux. I hesitate to tell anyone to use chromebooks when google's playbook these days is to soak up as much user data as possible - why freely give them more of it
my dad runs linux. he gives 2 shits about the os it can open chrome and play his classic tv shows. in fact he got so good at his classic shows he didnt even care when the cable tv got the axe.
Prime calls that out, but he didn't use the term for the "fallacy". Also some fun examples of begging the question that American's have to deal with. - The metric system - Universal healthcare - Those Asian trucks with a shorter front - Beefing up the rail infrastructure (vs a car, or airline)
I stopped running Linux on the desktop because I got tired of having to understand how to debug the os for stupid reasons. The first time, it’s a puzzle to be solved. But the dozenth time, it’s just unnecessary friction preventing me from getting things done.
@@gorak9000 Even the distros that "just work" don't "just work" as well as a Windows or Mac. I'll give you an example. I tried switching my work laptop from Windows to Linux, so I installed Mint on it and opened up Microsoft Powerpoint. It worked......until I tried to connect it to my projector and the presenter view didn't work properly. On Windows this just....works. I spent an hour trying to get it to work on Linux before reverting back to Windows. Could it have worked on a different Linux distro? Possibly, but I'm not going to waste time installing dozens of different distros to find one that works when I can just go back to Windows and it just....works.
Felt that way about WSL2 and before that, developing on Windows. I was put into the work force on a Linux machine. Sometimes what you were put into is the best option.
@TheMidnightIllusion it is no coincidence that a Microsoft product won't work properly on a Linux device. The one contradiction is VSC. I'm still surprised how buttery smooth it is on a Linux OS
@@ClintonChelak Well that's their perogative. No company is obligated to develop firmware to let their hardware run smoothly on every operating system, and they aren't going to bother unless there is a clear monetary gain from it. It's a catch-22 really. Companies aren't going to offer better Linux support until it sees more maintream use, but it won't gain that mainstream use until there is more support for it. As for VSC, I'm guessing there are enough Microsoft employees who use it on Linux that the company are willing to put the time into making it smooth.
I installed ubuntu on my grandparents computer after literal years of fixing their computer because my grandfather visited the worst websites. They'd get so many viruses at one point I had to reformat their computer 4 times in a month. So the last time that happened, I installed ubuntu because it started getting pretty good and could almost work out of the box with no issue. They only browsed the internet, and used outlook, and played solitaire. So I spent maybe 4 hours setting their system up, setting up their email, putting card games they'd play on it, and making everything as easy for them as possible, with the goal of never needing to fix their computer again. Needless to say, it worked like a charm. They hated it, and from then on never asked me to fix their computer again. Would do it again to buy the 10 years of peace.
Almost none of this is dependent on Linux. Everything Prime talks about can be done in most OS's (most people just don't care). It's not a virtue of Linux that it forces you to do hard things because it lacks the user friendly version.
When you stick to user friendly distros Linux isn't _hard_ it's just _different._ Once you learn those differences and how to do some windows stuff on Linux it's smooth sailing from there.
@@ruslansmirnov9006 this isn't 1999. You can plug in a flash drive just fine on Linux (USB is open, it's well supported on Linux). And unless you're specifically using a power user distro like Arch you're already going to have a text editor like Kate. Fun fact: Not all of Linux is like Arch.
@@marschallblucher6197 we are not talking about clones of Notepad here, man we are talking about neovim and we're also not talking about Debian-based distros for kiddies, we are talking about `real` linux distros such as RedHat, Mageia or Slack
Even if a firefighter didn't go to a fire call all year, the strength argument still stands, due to the shear amount of regular patients that have to be deadlifted out of their homes and onto the gurney and then from the gurney to the hospital bed at the ER. Not to mention the number of patients who try to fight you at all stages of the call. Analogy still works. Source: EMT
@@Xenozillextechnically they are. Time passes every day without me paying any money for it to do so and putting in effort is 100% free. Sure you can get paid for your effort but we put in a lot of effort without monetary incentive all the time.
The last time I tried Linux I was fully prepared to learn it. However everytime I tried to find information it was written in a way that explained it to people who already understood how to use it.
And that's exactly why I don't want to even touch Windows on my dev machine. Linux is a no brainer when it comes to develop software. All the best tools are developed for Linux
I'm lucky enough to be old enough to have _had_ to go through all the learning. We learnt the network stack. We learnt how to do logic gates and binary arithmetic. We coded a graphics library to do matrix transformations on 3d models, we learnt relational algebra. Apart from binary and network masks, not many of those things are directly useful, but it does provide a good understanding of what's going on.
I think it's fairly straightforward: Windows comes with most laptops/PCs and most people won't change the default that's good enough. Plus most people have maybe heard of that mythical beast called "Linux" but don't know exactly what it is and never thought that they should try it out. Saying this because I've met plenty of people who struggle to understand what a web browser is (though to be fair, all of those were elderly). There are a lot of non technical people in this world who just don't know or care. At least that's my theory. 5:31 Instead of setting my parents, for whom Windows can be a struggle, with Linux, I've tried to set them up with an iPad. It's limited, yes, but that's exactly why it's a good fit for them.
Yea, most computer user don't really care what OS they ran on their computer. They just want it to do the things that they want to do. Windows being the largest OS naturally got more support from the manufacturers and developers and also pre-installed on most laptop that all your average Joe needs to do is do the OOBE setup and use their laptop. For someone new to actively use Linux right now they need to: 1. Actually know it exist 2. Curious enough to try it 3. Pray to god that their don't have shitty hardware or bios (fuck you acer) 4. Have enough patience to set it up, find alternative to the program that they use on windows, and deal with any troubleshooting (which even on windows a lot of people don't want to deal with) That being said, people who just generalized linux as too much hassle therefore not worth your time based on the little time they have with it is disingenuous. Same with people who said that linux is flawless and just ignore all the real problem with it, linux isn't the perfect os. My advice to people who are interested is to just try it, see if it's compatible with your hardware, maybe use it on and off, and overtime you'll probably fall in love with part of it, hated some other, and then made a conscious decision to daily drive it for life or not. Whether or not you switching fully to linux, you probably learn something in your way.
"Why don't more people use Linux?" Assuming they mean "regular users," it's because installing an OS on your computer is an inherently technical process. You cannot expect non-technical people to do something inherently technical. And if they want their local IT guy to do it for them, well... If they mean "technical users," it's because technical users have an ego to bruise. I know this, because this was me prior to learning Linux. I took several stabs at learning Linux in the early 00's, and a lot of the shit I said back then is exactly what I hear technical users spouting when they try out Linux. And ultimately it doesn't come down to some sick burn that Linux hasn't changed since the early 00's. It comes down to the fact that they don't know how to use Linux, and they're not used to not knowing how to do something technical. The complaints, if you really look at them, are just a fact that Linux isn't Windows, and they're trying to use open source Windows. And that's just never going to work. I put my 60+ year old mother in law on Linux. Ubuntu 18.04, IIRC. She sat down, and started learning how to do the things that she wanted to do in the new environment. This is exactly why regular users can switch to/from Windows/Mac, and very few technical users can. As for advocating for using Linux. I don't talk to regular users about the virtues of using FOSS. I don't talk to them about how we must take down Apple and Microsoft. They don't care, and that's okay. What they care about is getting shit done. By and large, they can get their shit done in Linux just fine. That's how you get people to try out Linux. That, and don't install Arch (btw) on the computer you give to them to try Linux with. Give them the latest Ubuntu LTS, and call it a day. Give them something that just works out of the box, not something where you can wank all night on the wiki to get just about anything done.
Yep. It's like.... I like driving cars with a manual transmission. That's how I learned to drive, my current car is a manual, it's what I like. I guess I feel more in control and more engaged when I drive a manual than an auto. But that's me, I totally get that for most people an automatic transmission is just easier and that learning to drive a manual can be quite difficult and intimidating if all you've ever known is an auto. People just want to get where they're going, y'know?
I know how to use Linux. I've used it extensively, even as a desktop OS. Based on my experience I have no particular interest in making it my main system. It also won't run Microsoft Office natively and I've yet to find any alternative office software that is an adequate replacement for Microsoft's. Now as a technical user I'm used to not knowing how to do something or how a tool works. As a technical user I'll naturally experiment and explore. However the non-technical people in my family don't and won't. They'll be coming to me for support when they inevitably run into a problem while trying to do something on Linux. And if they did tinker then sooner or later they'd get their system into a totally broken state and I'd have to go re-install and configure it for them. Linux has certainly come a long way since 30 years ago when it was little more than a system for people who liked to spend most of their time tinkering. It was amusing, but primarily a huge pain to actually use as a daily system. MacOS is actually hands down the superior choice for non-technical people if they can afford the hardware.
@@someotherguyyouknow Even as a driver of a manual transmission you're still most likely one of the people who just wants to get where they are going. The more appropriate analogy would probably be those people who know exactly how their car works and interacts with the road.
Now, hear me out. I set my grandfather up with a linux machine. (Manjaro btw.) And you know what? He is doing great. You just have to choose an minimal effort distribution (Arch btw.), and let it just roll. It works. He browses the web, paints in gimp. The thing, is that an operating nowadays is just reduced to a glorified browser starter. So setting up "normal" people with linux isn't as bad. The bad part is to get the people of the heroin (windows, osx, etc).
Prove to me that it's fine for standard issue people to use Linux by demonstrating your knowledge about fractional scaling, a fairly common demand, in Linux. Because in Windows all you gotta do is click some buttons in the setting.
@@haniffaris8917 It's a single button on Manjaro(KDE btw) what are you talking about? (In gnome it's under settings>gnome tweaks if you just couldn't find it lmao)
"You just have to choose an minimal effort distribution (Arch btw.)" This is one of the reasons why it doesn't have a greater adoption rate. Because only you, who is already so deep into the Linux world would reasonably know which ones require more or less effort. It's possible to search for the information if you know what to look for, but that's also sort of a knowledge issue. People wouldn't know to search for a distribution for example. Then there's yet another issue, the "what if I pick the wrong one?" situation. There are loads of issues with it and people really just want something that works and will keep working without them needing to tweak or fix things to achieve it.
@@baranjan6969 Beep! Wrong. You gotta make sure your distro support Wayland, X11's fractional scaling support is unusable at best, unless you want to deal with laggy ahh performance. Then since most people would be unfamiliar with Linux, you gotta be lucky on your DE, since if you pick GNOME, you'll have to enable its experimental options for fractional scaling, except you're also lucked out on the distro and they already enable it by default. But wait! Why oh why are texts so blurry? For the longest time I thought it was just a Linux problem, until I decided I've had enough of GNOME's shenanigans and jumpship to KDE, and lo, and behold! The texts ain't blurry no more. I notice there is an option to do fractional scaling system wide, which means even applications that don't natively support fractional scaling would also be scaled, but at the cost of all application looking blurry. I'm guessing GNOME enables that by default. I leave it at disabled, no more blurry text, but now some applications aren't scaled, bummer. That doesn't sound too bad? Believe me, trying to find the root of the problem while not knowing what even is causing the problem is hellish. And that's just fractional scaling, don't get me started on software compatibility, no, I'm not talking about how some Windows apps aren't working on Linux, I'm talking about how some Linux apps aren't working on Linux. Apperantly some softwares only support either deb, or rpm. And apperantly some softwares only support some version of the Distro. There are workarounds to those issues, but I've tried, ain't working. Also, apperantly configurations and file paths are different from one distro to another, so goodbye following some config guides, I guess. But screw Microsoft, I'm staying with the penguin.
@@baranjan6969 Oh yeah, Gentoo, that distro where I need to compile everything? Again, if I need to go on a hunt to enable a simple setting correctly, I don't think it's ready for mass use.
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I don't even use Linux daily myself, but I just prepared a "new" computer for my parents and installed Linux Mint with a windows 10 theme. Wish me luck. I don't plan to tell them and just hope they never notice 😂.
One month later and they still have not noticed that anything is different. I would like to call that a success. I was a bit worried when my dad called after about a week and said "there is an update on the computer, can I click yes?". And I was like "yep, sound good". No more comments, it updated and he was good to continue 😁
My parents wanted a machine for the living room that works like a console but isn't a console (they wanted access to steam games and older emulated titles) so I actually installed chimera OS on their machine. About once a week, I see them grab the controllers, pick it up, and go do their thing. When they're done, they just hard-kill it by the switch and put the controllers down. lmfao No auto updates or anything. I run the CLI every once in a while to update packages if need be, but the last time I actually did that was like 5 months ago. No, idk if they'd enjoy it as a "desktop computer," but as a psuedo-console, they love it. I live right down the street so I swing by just about everyday & they really do use it once a week. It just works. But all they do is play some games on it.
I Use Linux for everything personal, except for media consumption, that i do in a Macbook air m1, but work on C#/Windows environment . Not an easy way to make a multimillion company to change to Linux at this point.
@@scottwalker4619 workwise? Yes. Stuck at a legacy 4.5 framework app... with soap services of all things. Personal projects on .net core and js/ts world, everything in linux
There's a shift happening where more stuff is moving to linux as it moves to the "cloud" - whether it's internally hosted cloud, or externally hosted, it's pushing a LOT of backend infrastructure to linux
I hate to say it, but I avoid using Linux desktops because of annoying instability. The final point was "updating of my disk encryption package break. the system two hours prior important call". Adding issues with audio, video... I gave up. I'm still using Linux for the development but as WSL under windows. When the terminal is the only staff you can access, it is much better for learning programming and deployment. As the GUI... Maybe something has changed in the last several years, but I'm just not in the mood to endlessly fight some random bug that happened because of some package that decided to break userspace.
Did you use operating system that was intended for production use ? I've heard similar story before but they all all have been user errors where user has chosen some preview/insider/developer/beta version, or using some rolling release that are changing all the time. And if you told that there are several times happended something, that is just unbelievable.
@@gruntaxeman3740 It is more complicated. I had to use that version of the encryption app related to the company requirements. So, it's not totally a Linux issue. It was also my mistake to upgrade apps before the demo. That was not a single reason to move away but a last drop. In general, I have never had a smooth experience with Linux Desktop. I've tried Ubuntu, Mint, and Arch, and I have issues with all of them. I agree that maybe I'm not good enough to use this system. It's probably true. But what I really want from the GUI part of the system, as John Govard said, I want it just works. I didn't get it through 5 years of Linux experience. I gave up and switched to Windows + WSL, which has been fine for me for the last 2 years. Currently, I disable Copilot through group politics, and Windows has a lot of shit I'm annoyed about, but I have a more stable experience for me.
@@jadencorr6897 Ubuntu is known for poor QA and only LTS releases are considered stable. Mint is derived from Ubuntu with minimal resources & support. There is also Mint derived from Debian and that is likely a bit better. Arch is rolling release where updates are making changes, like breaking compatibility. Especially breaking compatibility to anything third party app because there are not much of stability in rolling releases. Red Hat Enterprise, Suse Enterprise, Debian and Ubuntu LTS are the stable ones.There are also encryption features in OS.
@@gruntaxeman3740I’ve had better experiences with rolling-releases than stable ones. Usually the testing/semi-unstable branch has better results for my hardware.
I use Linux as my main driver. I also have a MacBook Pro. People don’t use Linux because it takes A LOT of time and dedication all the time to keep it running well. It’s easy to break it, and takes time to debug the issues, time not everyone has
What distro are you running where it takes *A LOT* of time and dedication to keep it running well? I've been on pure ArchLinux and am in my third year of Manjaro, and the most time I generally ever need to spend to have it work as intended for me, is maybe 10 minutes maximum like twice a month when doing system updates, otherwise I'm purely off with whatever I feel like, all days long. Additionally, it most of the time doesn't require me to know a whole bunch of commands and lots of tinkering in terminal, all I usually need/use, is either 1 single command, or pure GUI.
I'm a software developer, I use Linux 🙂. Although I am starting to become more concerned about Windows. Microsoft is being outright neglectful with Windows. They need to put some serious work into it.
How old are you? I remember many Microsoft failures such as Xenix, MS-DOS 4, Microsoft Bob, Clippy the Office Assistant, IE6, Cortana, Win95, Vista, Win8.0, Windows Phone, WinRT, and of course the Zune which came in dirty diaper and baby puke colors. Microsoft allowed Linux on Azure, ported MS-SQL Server to Linux, bought GitHub, Released the Windows Linux subsystem, wrote a new Terminal app, release VS Code Studio cross-platform, etc., etc., etc. All in an attempt to keep Cloud developers from jumping ship for a Mac or Linux. What's next? Well they could ditch the WinNT kernel and use Linux instead, then build a Microsoft Distribution and charge a subscription for access to the WinAPI so you can run legacy Windows apps. You could download all the open source except for that WinAPI.
@@matthewstott3493 What you're describing is the second E in the Microsoft EEE strategy, i.e. Embrace, Extend, Extinguish. They've done it before, they'll do it again.
@@EraYaN I think that is not that far fetched. NT kernel is different than Linux, so it need own drivers. Most of the computers (I count mobile and server too) run on Linux so it is not that obvious that all hardware manufacturers are interested to make Windows drivers in future. Using Linux can save development resources from Microsoft. And Linux is defacto standard on server because of Linux containers, so in Windows that need some emulation layer to run containers. Building separate containers for Windows host servers doesn't make much of sense and that has been reality long time. Microsoft is also long time ago moved .NET, SQL server etc. running top of Linux. Currently Windows server is nearly same as legacy most of the developers, and Windows in client.. well, that is just something that Microsoft wants front of user to work as advertising platform, collecting data and use that to sell Microsoft cloud services, or game pass. So it can make sense to Microsoft in some point of future change kernel to Linux, and run Visual C++ runtimes / .NET runtimes / DirectX etc. top of it. I don't think that can happen soon and first they completely drop everything that look 90s UI like those old admin tools, control panel etc. that so Windows is close to S-Mode UWP.
@@gruntaxeman3740 But the way a system api is made, win32 and winrt will need to be on top of the kernel to be able to be proprietary and not violate gpl2, but then it'll be a matter of time for devs to remake them into open source apis.
for the record. I did installed linux to my mom. KDE is as easy to use for just using the browser as windows is. plus windows doesn't even run on her laptop, because windows seems to need a terabyte of RAM to run, plus a micro with 20 threads in order to barely operate.
The TCP example is wrong in the sense that the data doesn’t always come in order to your machine. The packets have ordering info and a dropped packet can be requested again. The kernel puts the packets back in the right order if they are not already.
Receiver doesn't see that, so from receiver standpoint it's correct. What receiver also doesn't see is how much data was sent as TCP packets can be split along the way.
I would use Linux if it just wasn't so ... broken. There is so much that is just so convoluted to use, just trying to get something to work can mean HOURS of dicking around in the terminal, jumping through hoops and I'm just not prepared to do all that only to have it break later on down the line. I need my stuff to just _work_.
@@Karurosagu That's the point, it's always _something._ Linux never "just works". It's always some BS you have to dig through and fix. And sometimes it can't be fixed. Some drivers are just buggy/broken, etc.
Hello, linux user here, I never use the terminal since 6 years ago, only the gui. What exactly are you using the terminal for? It's for technically advanced people and it's complicated, you shouldn't use it
@@isodoubIet That depends on the distro, some distros have almost everything working OK OOTB because they do care about the user experience and not the entire cult that FOSS tends to be (unless you have a very VERY specific and uncommon hardware) and they also make it very easy to install (you don't even have to use the terminal) anything that is missing, and that includes propietary drivers Most Linux distros can't ship propietary drivers (and propietary software also) OOTB: they will get into a legal problem if they do that. And even if they could, they also can't ship every single driver out there into the base system because then the base system would be as unnecessarily bloated as Windows and most distros are against that because the generalised selling point is that you get zero propietary software and you are the one that has to choose what gets into your machine and what does not TL;DR Freedom is not free of charge
That is not a good strategy. Don't you have an old laptop lying around to try it out? Linux runs on any old hardware. Or install it on a Pi400 which costs 100 bucks.
@@hvxcolors396 It's a great strategy. Not all of us want all the spyware, which is only getting worse BTW. The best strategy would be to put Linux on all your hardware, both new and old. You can install fancier desktop environments on the newer PCs and run the old Raspberry Pies in headless mode.
I started using Windows with 3.1 when I was 4 years old. After the roughly 32 years of using Windows I swapped to Linux earlier this year. I've learned more about how my system works in about 6 months, than I have since Windows 98. If you go into Linux wanting to learn, it will teach you so much
You're on point with the one level deeper approach I think. Learning Odin so far has really felt like that comfortable next level from Go since the syntax is really similar, but a lot of the training wheels are taken off and you get to really play with the memory in a relatively familiar setting.
5:15 If your relative just needs a web browser, a word processor, and a way to print stuff (this is the case for my grandma), why does the OS really matter? They are using Windows because it is the thing that is pre-installed, not because it has something they require. The only issue with Linux is that it's unfamiliar. There are plenty of "just works" distros that you could install and then update for them every now and then when you visit, or teach them the process for updating it, and it would probably work without issue for a long time. And they might not need to upgrade their hardware for a long time too in that case.
Nowadays big chunk of people just need a browser. Everything is there. Most of them don't need any Windows specific native apps. Is Linux the answer... kinda but I fear future is in form of something like ChromeOS or iOS.
As a past C++ game developer I've used Windows and VisualStudio: the dev experience was awesome. And it was awesome to develop C# webapps, so I don't get the whole "Linux is better for devs". When asked, the short answer is simply " I use some open source tech stack that was developed on Linux and runs better on Linux ". Nginx for instance, sucks on windows. Make sense, but it's exactly the same reason windows users are blamed: " You are used to windows because you embrace the windows way of doing things". You are used to Linux because you are embracing the Linux way of doing things. They say, for instance, that "Linux is better because you can chain bash command to do advanced file search". If I say that you can use powershell the answer is "bleah, nobody uses it and it's not a de facto shell standard". So seems that is right for Linux users to fight windows asking its user base to do efforts and learn the "Linux way", leaving the most common used OS, but it's not right to ask the opposite. Why? Because at the end there is the usual ideological battle: open source is good, ethic and so on, closed source e mega corporation is evil and capitalism
As a graphics developer I definitely agree with points you have raised. Different OS has their ways of doing things and it is hard to think out of the box the OS that you are currently working on. As someone who works primarily on Windows but has plenty of other stuff to deploy on Linux, I am familiar with both OSs and knows exactly what they are good at and what they sucks. The problem with working with Linux Desktop environment is that most of the distros fail to provide a stable Desktop environment and come on, people should admit that Linux Desktop is just so hard to interact with graphically. Display management, GUI designs, randomly crushing GUI just make it 'hard' and 'frustrating' to work with from non-development based point of view.
@@leebilly2898 Creating free GUIs for Linux is tough-most people lack the time, interest and cash. Staying fully open and sustainable is a big challenge. 99% of people don't even know what Linux is. 99% of desktop users use Windows to game on or do simple office work, most people are not devs or programmers. GNOME is catching up fantastic though, let's hope they keep being crowdfunded or find more ways to resources.
@@leebilly2898I genuinely don’t know what you are talking about in the second paragraph. Userspace is stable, Display management is easy (except on X11, but Wayland works better nowadays except for Nvidia), and it isn’t hard to work with.
About moms and Linux. I think my mom is a typical computer user in her 70s. She's not a nerd/dev but also not a complete noob. I put Linux/Ubuntu on her 10y old laptop when I bought her a new SSD hard drive to speed it up. And I think she forgot she's using Linux after I told her. Most of her time on it is spent in Chrome anyway where the most advanced she do I think is a few simple spreadsheets in Google docs and handling email and online banking. Also in Chrome. Browsers are the new OS!
Pre-installed Windows on Laptops and Desktops are a convenience for the public that they're now very familiar with. People want it ready out of the box. There's just no mass marketing for Linux.
There is no mass marketing for Linux because every time it has been tried was a financial failure. Around 72% of the OS desktop marketing is Windows. You don't get to be biggest by telling people your product is easy to use once you understand it. In case toy haven't noticed Chromebooks are glorified smart phones and people who want that functionality usually by smart phones not Chromebooks.
@@gogereaver349 Most phones are android and it's so cut down it isn't Linux at all. 85% of computers are sold to consumers. There's barely any marketing for Linux beyond servers. Servers are marketed as hardware and there's barely any money spent on the software much less marketing at all.
For the last part of the video for anyone who wants to learn more about these layers, read about what is called the "OSI Layers", it's general knowledge taught in computer networking.
One exception. My uncle who is computer illiterate and is a severe conspiracy theorist, kept getting viruses because conspiracy theorists are unusually gullible and will download anything. All he does is browse the web and troll sites until he gets banned. Installing Ubuntu on his machine was one of the best thing I ever did. Haven't had a computer related call in over 5 years when before it was weekly.
If you could put him back onto Windows asap so that it can break, then he (a) can’t troll, and (b) will stop digesting rubbish online, that would be awesome.
@@markd.9538 Thought about it but he'd just use his phone. It's funny, because he's afraid of the government tracking Windows and EV's, but I guess the device he carry's around in his pocket that tracks you buy design is ok.
@@Ryan-ff2db Most conspiracy theorists fail to think of the something that simple and appropriate. Everything to them has to be overly convoluted and intricate. It can't be that you use a phone, no. The cabal is going to microchip them or force them to adopt a smart house or personal robot to spy on them. Smartphones are an exception! It is impossible to argue with those sorts of people.
Lack of hardware support. Yeah I know those stories of revitalizing old hardware. But you woudln't buy pc and wait for it to become old enough to be supported?
I think most people don't even really know what an operating system is and therefore they wouldn't understand why they should change the thing they didn't even know could be changed without a solid big company marketing push telling them why it has benefits over what they're already using
For my TCP and UDP studies I have developed a simple Java game that created a server and then broadcasted the changes in player position to all other connections. I was using TCP to update the movement and it was painful! UDP is great for that, because we can ignore old messages and just go with the newer one and as fast as possible.
Compatibility is the only valid thing you said. The other 2 haven't been true for a good few years now. And to be honest compatibility is only true for very specialized software..... Browsers and office apps are on Linux and work identically to Windows.
@@hopelessdecoy This is the ignorance of Linux users. Name 1 Mainstream, gen-pop laptop shipped with Linux.... I'll wait. 90% of games are still not compatible with Linux.... What are you talking about? You linux elitest are oblivious. You all say the same things.
@@jayvee4787 You are right, most people use windows simply because it is installed by default on 99% of desktops/laptops. The average person isn't going to care about the os they use as long as they can access the software they need and linux is still lacking with mainstream creative suite applications in particular. However as someone who uses linux for gaming saying 90% of games aren't compatible is just straight wrong. Gaming is where linux has started to flourish most in recent years thanks to proton with the only real caveat being games with incompatible anticheats which are a minority.
@@immamark77 Remind me again how you play those games? Are they natively supported for the OS? Or are there extra steps in which you must take to play those games? Again. I reiterate, Compatibility.
@@jayvee4787 Yes you have to enable proton before you can play them but regardless of that they still work and it doesn't matter if it's natively supported. If you wanna make a point about it being extra clicks to get proton working then thats an accessibility issue that I agree is an issue and could be fixed as easily as them just enabling it by default. But to be fair saying compatibility instad of native compatibility is ambiguous especially when proton is a compatibility layer.
I'm writing a chat application in Delphi 1 for Windows 3.11 using Winsocks for fun. Dealing with the beginning and end of the messages is a bit of a pain. The way it does it is by having some bytes that indicate the end of the message. But then you have to iterate through the bytes and accumulate them until you reach the marker. All of that in a language that lacks many of the niceties modern languages have. We have it so easy now. It's crazy.
Wonder if people have tried to make a Linux OS that corporate IT divisions can set up to create workstations that only have the features needed by the workers? It would make setting and managing user permissions easier by restricting installs and a couple other features instead disabling every feature in windows or mac.
Same can be said for Windows, in fact even more nowadays, since Microsoft craves *that much more* control, and of course the "beautiful" use of "A.I" in "every" goddamn aspect of their unattractive pile of "no thank you, please just stay away from me"-operating system.
@@iamyourgreatgreatgreatgrea6291 I disagree, about half a year ago we bought a new Win11 laptop for my dad who is a super-casual user and he was able to set up everything easily alone with no problems or confusion and he hasn't asked me a single time about anything "not working" or "it doing weird things" since.
Pull the harddisk out of your computer, grab a Saw, cut it in 2 and put it back in the computer. Now you have 2 disks partitions 😅 That's how I think about it when I fsdisk or gparted my disks.
Just buy a new one and use default settings for it during installer(and dont mix up drives lol) Last time I had to repartition something was this week: I installed linux on orange pi. Image file uses ~1GB size, my SD card is 4GB, learned of parted, as it looked simpler than fdisk. For normal PC - I didn't use partition editor
Windows has lots of built in integration to their other systems, so outside of specialized software / container apps I rarely see Linux actually used in production for most systems. Also rewriting/architecting anything running on Windows rarely actually saves cost via better performance against the cost of a migration project.
Whatever conceptual level you need to operate in to get your work done, you should always strive to have one layer deeper of understanding if for no other benefit than making your own life easier when something goes wrong. This is true for everything in tech. This is also true for everything not in tech. You will not have the hours in a day to do this for everything, so the trick becomes knowing which things you need to prioritize and which things you can shelve until later for this knowing.
The answer to why people don't use Liunx has always been "lack of hardware support and lack of software support". For hardware, if you're using niche peripherals or the newest stuff (or nvidia graphics cards, though it is getting better), it is more likely going to work on the most popular OS. For software, people don't want to look for alternatives, they want what is recommended by their peers. Or it's gaming and people want to play the games that don't work well on Linux. The people who do switch to using Linux generally don't' have either of the above issues.
New hardware works on newer kernel versions, which is why I’d always recommend the testing/semi-unstable branch for any distro. Gaming works fine, except from the slight overhead from WINE.
I just explained to people few days ago how data is transported and why timeout could happen on the TCP level . So I am pretty sure many people don’t know how data is sent ….
@@qwerte6948 For learning in details, buy "TCP/IP illustrated." It's three books, totalling around 2500 pages. It's soo good. Even though outdated, as author is not alive anymore, though I think later other people edited the work to continue it. Fortunately TCP is not linux distro and changes rarely. (Also book uses 4.4BSD-Lite)
Nice theory - unfortunately, as a AAA game dev, there is NOT ONE game dev SDK/GDK that runs under linux for consoles. So... sometimes it's not a matter of choice.
so the 5 game devs working on console games can't use linux big deal, this is talking about general desktop users the game dev scene in general needs to move away from this dumb shit like dx and microsoft cocks up their ass all day, and they are linux gaming is getting infinitely better every year, and people who were stopped from moving to linux because their games are only running on windows have decreased, and will only decrease. Eventually every developer will be using platform independent solutions and people will switch to linux just on the virtue that windows is complete dogshit the only hold that windows has over linux is that the linux userbase is small comparably (5% to 70%), and that developers have less incentive to build applications for it. Linux's desktop environments and experience is infinitely better and everyone knows this
AAA games quality today actually suck a lot while they are like made running on consoles and then there is some half-assed port to Windows, and Linux runs on some emulator layer. For me this tells that game developers have serious skill issues to develop their product portability on mind.
@@kerch00 There are literally tens of thousands of game devs that work on consoles you muppet. But then extrapolate that out to all the other industries in which the best software for the job is only available on Mac or Windows. It's not insignificant. I hate to break it to you - but Linux is not a great platform for game development. Too many distro's with their own way of doing things. Support for graphics API's is average at best. And the user base is so small it doesn't justify the additional support costs. And none of the consoles share a graphics API, so this idea of going after DX is a bit misguided. The only console that supports Vulkan is the Switch, and it's a crap implementation - so you really have to use their API. So you have DX, Sony's proprietary API, and Switches proprietary API. So the idea that "dropping that DX" stuff is going to somehow help is a lack of understanding of the issues. And.. the sad thing is... DirectX is one of the best 3D API's there is. You gotta remember - Vulkan is ONLY a graphics API - DirectX supports input, audio, graphics. It's a much more comprehensive API - that's one of the reasons why it's so widely used.
@@gruntaxeman3740 oh shut up. Serious skill issues? Are you for real? The fact the games run natively on Windows / Xbox / PS / Switch is non trivial in itself. When you build a console game, you are already supporting a mix of CPU architectures, at least three or four completely different graphics API's and platform SDK's. They are in fact CROSS PLATFORM. Practically all games are written on Windows FIRST and then ported to the other platforms as we go - because guess what. Windows is where the development platforms run. The games are literally written with cross platform compatibility in mind. The reason it doesn't run on Linux natively isn't because we can't do it - it's because it already takes around 2000-5000 man years depending on the game just to make the average AAA game. It just doesn't make financial sense to add a few decades of labor just to support a platform like Linux that has such a small user base - especially when that platform is usually responsible for more support issues than all other platforms combined. It's too fractured as a platform to warrant it. Seriously - be happy with the emulation - that's the best you'll get on Linux for the foreseeable future - not because of game devs, but because every damn distro has to do things their own way.
@@zoeherriot "I hate to break it to you - but Linux is not a great platform for game development. Too many distro's with their own way of doing things." When game is distributed from Steam, you don't need to care of that. Just build against Steam runtime libraries. "Support for graphics API's is average at best." Vulkan, OpenGL, OpenGL ES. All of those native APIs requires abstraction layer and place of that is in game engine. Not checked current situation but it is very likely that AAA games actually have worse portability than some indie games, because AAA games often use in house engines that can be more dunghill experience than using ready engines. But as gamer, and developer perspective this is very clear. I expect game run natively on Linux and there isn't much of excuses while there are ready export profiles on ready game engines so it should not require that much effort. Web development analogy is that does your website work on every browser there is, or does it need some shitty ActiveX/Java applet/Flash turd.
TCP does not guarantee order per se as it doesnt guarantee the order of arrival of packets in the other end, some packets might arrive sooner say P1, P2 and P3 represent the string and due to network conditions P3 might arrive first. What happens is that the packets are annotated with a number (sequence number) and then they are assmebled on the other end in the correect order. TCP packets can be transmitted in order, but we cannot guarantee they will arrive in the same order, thats why TCP exists and builds on top if IP. I think its important to clear that up as we have no control over the network conditions and the order in which packets arrive so saying TCP guarantees order, while true in the end, in reality it guarantess that the packets will be assembled in the correct order only. Not saying you are wrong, just expanding slightly with more context :) Edit: also to clear something up - packets traveling through a TCP connection CAN be lost or dropped due to network partition but because we know what packet we are expecting next, the missing packet can be requested again
I’ve tried using Linux twice. It works well and if I just used my pc for the internet and office work I probably would’ve deleted my windows partition, but I don’t. If you want to do something as simple as getting a video game working it can take over an hour of troubleshooting. I tried reinstalling my amd gpu drivers and ended up losing display output. I’ve started sim racing, and because I’m cheap I’ve bought my stuff mostly from lesser known brands and some stuff essentially from aliexpress. There are not going to be any tutorials for that. I don’t mind doing a *bit* of troubleshooting, but I’m also a pretty busy college student and I don’t want to spend hours of my somewhat limited free time troubleshooting to get simple things working. Many guides are good, but there are many that aren’t, and a lot of the time if you’re doing something even slightly obscure you end up following some instructions you found in a Reddit thread that assumes you have a base knowledge that you don’t have. I still have my Linux partition, and I occasionally use it, but using it can be fucking exhausting.
I love Linux but only as a developer. Unfortunately for a lot of people, Linux is just too much hassle. - Drivers are a pain - A lot of software isn't supported - The community is awful. - Non technical people don't want to use the terminal The only way that Linux will become mainstream is if Microsoft monumentally screw up and it forces a mass migration of users which will then force companies to develop their products for Linux.
I think it's actually the opposite now regarding drivers (the exception being getting hardware at release day). Currently I'm testing Fedora on my main machine and everything works perfectly out of the box! It's like drivers? what drivers, everything is built in!
What are you talking about? Family most common software comes in Snaps, Apps, and or packages, You can name it, we even have Steam...come on it's not that hard.
This reads like last time you used Linux was 15 years ago. There was the time where you had to often manual edit xorg.conf, install video drivers from terminal, tune the audio setiings and so on. These days for a standard PC build everything works out of the box, drivers are supplied with the kernel and the default install. You have GUI system settings and package managers. You have forums and wikis, you don't need to crawl obsure IRC servers where the nerds will make fun you your noobness.
years without windows now. i dont miss it at all. i been on linux sense 98 redhat 6 off and on and dual booting etc. but windows 11 was i finnly had enough and everything was dedcated linux.
There is a very simple and evident answer to this question. Why don't more people use Linux? Because Microsoft arranged with OEM's that 100.0% of their PC's got shipped with Windows. The last few years OEM's started to offer PC's with Linux too, some (the better ones) give a discount, they deduct whatever they pay for the Windows-license, as it should. Historically speaking the OEM's shipped 100.0% of their PC's with Windows and MS forced them to do that with an all or nothing rebate, which is illegal. Intel used the same strategy for both OEM's and shops and they got a 1 billion € fine for it from the European Union. Most PC-users are not sophisticated with software, they will use whatever gets shipped with their PC, just like how most of them kept using Internet Explorer when Firefox was a much better browser, also to a lesser extend because websitedevelopers using Microsoft its proprietary ActiveX broke some websites.
Yup, here most laptops get shipped with either no OS or a barebones Linux distro by default. If you want Windows preinstalled with a license it's a separate checkout option.
@@theairaccumulator7144 Awesome! I imagine that installing Windows also costs considerably more time considering the need to babysit it. Unless you do it once and then just clone the SSD for many other systems and that way speed up the process. The install process takes longer but worst are all those updates for hours, installing the drivers, rebooting many times...
@@DM-rc4yu No, in my opinion you reverse cause and consequence. They just shipped with Windows because people got used to MS-DOS, there was no Linux back then. So people knew it and MS gave a discount under the strict condition that 100.0% of the sold PC's would get Windows on it. Same for MS Office, it is kind of a solid product but the single reason why so many people use it is because MS made it cheap for schools and students to have it on their systems, that way that is the software which they know so people keep using it. Only people who never used Linux can claim that using Windows is easier, it simply is not true. But it can be easier for somebody to keep using Windows if they have used that for 30 years while they have 0 experience with Linux. Linux has the same GUI's as Windows, it is a fact that it is much easier to manage software on Linux than on Windows as long as that software is in the repositories. A one click install vs hunting down an installer from a website and then having to run it and going through multiple GUI-screens...
I haven't switched full time to Ubuntu at this point simply because I cannot play ALL the games I own on it. Some games have terrible anti-cheats implemented that don't have Linux support. Unfortunately, majority of the games I currently play fall into this category. However, that is the ONLY thing preventing me from daily driving linux. But I am hopeful that this will change in the near future as Valve has been steadily improving this sector with their SteamOS.
ultimately, it's also up to these game companies to re-think their approach to anti-cheats, if their code wishes to have kernel-level access to my system, i'd be really paranoid about the operations being performed there, particularly as all of these anti-cheats are closed source and proprietary however indeed some of these anti-cheats, the less invasive ones notably such as EAC, are now compatible with GNU/Linux, and on top of this gaming under wine/steam proton is in a much better state for sure, the steam deck has definitely shown a much broader audience that windows is no longer the exclusive operating system that is reliable for gaming
The problem for normal people is that, device drivers and software for new devices usually don't have a Linux version. You can solve this with multiple computers or a hypervisor, but most people don't do that.
In construction, having to rely on hand tools and skill was a great filter mechanism. With the power tools today it’s a lot easier for individuals with less aptitude to get by. Probably the same in software.
I don't think that more people need to use Linux. I think in many ways trying to "mainstream" Linux will be a deteriment to the ecosystem. I don't think it should be intentionally difficult, but the barrier of "You must be willing to learn" is a good one. It means you CAN learn. If your using linux with a GUI frontend for your package manager, and have little to no idea how the system actually works, why? Just go back to windows/mac. If your not gonna utilize the tool, why take on the added work of maintaining it.
@jimboakimbo-y4r linux is targetted just as much as windows, i mean every server runs on linux the amount of debian targetted malware out there is insane
@jimboakimbo-y4r maybe but this is just a rule of the internet honestly, it's hard to say that these don't target linux because it's more secure, since most people who use linux are infinitely more knowledgeable about internet security than the average windows user
I do not use Linux on my desktop/laptop because I do not want to worry whether any recent update broke my Pulse audio setup, or whether my bluetooth headphones still work whenever I dial in on a call (I might have some bias/trauma as a long term Arch user).
the problem, you wrote there, was arch, not linux stable releases do not break like that, and there are rolling release distros that do not break like that, the linux distro you choose does matter
@@betag24cn Still sometimes there are problems with hibernation/suspend on any hardware other than Intel with integrated GPU. In general I would not trust a suspended Linux laptop in my backpack that it will not wake up and burn itself to death. Things like browsers seems less optimized for linux making battery life worse. Some time ago because of a virtualization used by project I worked on I had to move away from Mac to Windows. I have no shame, I have nothing to prove, I have all linux tools I need on WSL2 and it is fine. Maybe I do not have ability to start services through systemd (it can be done, lets ignore it), but why would I want to start e.g. a DB directly on my user environment instead of a Docker? I keep my gpg, and ssl keys configured on WSL2 linux as I would do on linux natively. IDEs are handled by Windows window manager but their backend works on WSL2. Linux apps with GUI can be started as well, but I do not really need it. What is nice about WSL2 setup is that it allows to limit memory and CPUs I want to dedicate to my development environment, so e.g. I have a browser with a live call in a background, and it works fine even if rust-analyzer decides to eat every computing resources it can.
Pulseaudio was a huge mess hated by everyone. Pipewire is the linux standard now and for me it always worked flawlessly. Also yeah, if you're buying hardware that was meant for Windows only, ofc you might have issues on the OS it wasn't designed for
I was training my nephews (18 /15) on how to program and the first thing I showed them was how to use github to backup their code. The hardest part for them was understanding how to navigate the directory...
I tried very hard for weeks to make Linux work for me, tried several distributions. Ultimately I couldn't bc many steam games, especially indie ones, run absolutely terribly on Proton. Additionally, if you do audio production, many audio interface manufacturers simply do not provide the required drivers to Linux users (like Universal Audio). That was the final brick wall that made me turn around back to my Windows install.
windows: absolutely everything is a click a download button, double click the downloaded file, use it. linux: google how to install a software. use curl, you don't have curl? install curl first with xxx commands? add XXX to repo??? execute the command your were first given, you accidentally deleted a letter but instalation procceeds, install something else, try to uninstall that, you end up removing something important, linux won't boot anymore. windows crashes* some shit broke? *auto repairs linux crashes* some shit broke? sell your soul to satan to find out how to fix it. waste 2 days trying to fix that shit, end up formatting. Linux is greatest to serve services and that's it. For regular use is the shittiest OS ever.
So, why don't more people use Linux? The article was blah, blah and no answer. Linux is for programmers. Most people are not programmers. Ergo they don't use Linux. Is that the gist of it?
DT isn't a programmer... he is a youtuber, stock trader and has a degree in music... many programmers i know don't use linux, many non programmers actually does (my mom who liked the interface better, neibors who are math teacher cuz few math tools works only in linux, many friends who got provided with free laptop from gov which has a gov distro, but also those systems are laggy in windows) if fact,many of those friends don't know what a folder/dir is
if caviar is so good why dont more people use it? Because not we are not peasants. We savor the intricate delecacies and flavors of unstable linux distros.
You can learn all of this in Windows too. It just has some extra layers. You just have to choose to learn, which is the hard part. At one point I decoded the various OS/Hypervisor layers to map WIndows application memory addresses to actual physical addresses in order to test a PCI Express sniffer board that could detect virus signatures outside of the main operating system. You can do anything if you take the time to learn how things actually work. A more recent example, I blew all of my colleagues minds when I started to talk about the FPU. They had no idea it even existed.
I actually use Linux all the time on my servers and VPS, so it's not that I'm afraid of trying something new or don't understand it. But for my personal machine, I stick with Windows/macOS because I need solid support for gaming, video editing, and audio production. Linux just doesn’t cut it for those needs, even though it’s great for development.
It is not just servers, Android is also very much used. Linux is very widely used and that just not require to put some "Linux" sticker visible that TV is using Linux. Also you are very right about that deployment. It makes developer life comfy when system on client side is similar like it is on servers.
It's funny seeing people in the comments desperately trying to make it out like Linux isn't more difficult for the average user than Windows is. Which is most definitely true and always has been. No, your grandma using a web browser on a Linux machine you set up for her is not proof of anything.
People have to be aware of something: Elon's (correct) statement about servers and Linux is nearly the only relevant thing Elon actually knows about tech.
yeah right - i mean what did Elon do anyways besides from creating napster, a new car company and a new space company from scratch. Yeah im pretty sure, that´s all he knows about "tech". LOL!!!
At around 5:22 you mention not setting you mum up on Linux, well I set my mum up to use Linux, she is not a digital native by any means but wanted to make pictures and edit video so I put Ubuntu Studio on her laptop, she loves it. She used to have trouble with the popups on windows 10, she would be scared they were errors then frustrated when she realised it was an advert and she was not even on a browser. She actually finds her new OS easier so i can say with confidence at least in the case of KDE plasma, Linux desktops are now mum friendly.
I don't understand all the audio/video/similar problems on linux, all the various installations on different PCs/laptops I did throughout the years have been smooth af
I did install Linux on my mom's laptop, though. "What is this? It's all completely different!" - "No mom. You turn it on, type in your password, click on the Firefox icon and just browse, click update when it prompts you to. It's all the same." And that's it. Until she wants to print something, that is.
Do people still have printers?? I gave up mine years ago. On the rare occasions I need to print something, there'a a place near here and I send the file via Whatsapp and they print it for me (I pay for it of course).
I already switched a while ago. The only games that don’t really work are new shitty live service games that I don’t care about. The only issue I have with Linux is lack of Dolby Atmos and Dolby Vision (HDR) support. I miss that from Windows.
Mom's 79. Her computer is a little box with a Ryzen 5 running Lubuntu. She does her own software updates. I can't remember the last time she needed my technical support. It's great. Relatives with Windows or Mac don't get my support time. Life's too short.
Not since Windows 3.1 have I HAD to use the DOS prompt. We have had a GUI interface for 40 years, but Linux REQUIRES the use of the terminal. Every help forum or website for Linux everywhere will require the terminal. Once Linux programmers start to design around a GUI, they will get more market share.
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wait, this takes 3 minutes to read?
@@yoshi314 yeah it's not even 2 handfuls of paragraphs that would literally take you
@@EmbeddedSorcery we are dev babies, we don't read articles. we let Prime read for us
its called "the content", dawg
In the Czech Republic in 1999, the largest tech e-shop at that time, Mironet, started offering PCs without an OS and PCs with Linux preinstalled. One of Microsoft's top managers for the country fabricated a false accusation, leading to a police raid. They seized all the computers and effectively shut down the company's operations for several years. During this period, new stores like Alza and Czech Computer completely dominated the market. Mironet never fully recovered and is still in court today, suing the state for hundreds of millions. At that time, Microsoft behaved almost like a mafia.
That's insane. I hope they win their case in court, to get some sort of justice.
@@jsonkody czech mentality has never fully recovered from this mafia like behavior that was hapenning in the 90's in Czechia... A place close to me has been gassed out killing 750 000 chickens due to the possible bird flew. CZC has been bought by Allegro and anything that does good in czech homeland is being either bought out or destroyed
I believe it. Bill Gates, in fact, is not a very nice guy.
@@jakubpodhaisky7174 that sounds horrible, and not something I thought I'd hear about of a european country
Microsoft has always behaved like the mafia whenever they could get away with it.
TCP sends data in order, but it does not guarantee that packets will arrive in order at the recipient. However, the TCP header has a sequence number field that allows the recipient to reorder the packets correctly. The correct order of packets cannot be guaranteed over the internet because it is possible for packets to take different routes to the recipient, even if they are sent from the same source.
The reliability of the TCP protocol primarily comes from the acknowledgment (ACK) response for each packet. When a packet is received, the recipient sends an ACK back to the sender, confirming successful receipt. If the sender does not receive an ACK within a certain time, it will retransmit the packet. This mechanism ensures that all packets are delivered reliably, but it is not specifically about guaranteeing that packets arrive in order, as TCP handles reordering at the recipient side.
Came here for this comment. Hopefully it gets upvoted enough that most viewers see it.
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Thx for correcting Prime so I won't have to 😂
About not setting your mom up to use Linux... I set my grandmother up with Debian to replace her old Mac and she never had a problem. She was in her nineties. She was blown away how I could get her a system that cost 300 bucks that ran better than her old iMac
That's amazing
No you didn't.
Tottaly. I set my mom with Ubuntu and all the things she needed was a browser, so she was good to go. However, I used a linux a lot in the past but my last experience going back to a linux desktop was not good. My main gripe was having the hardware acceleration to work on the browser, so I went back to windows in this particular computer.
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I installed Linux mint on my grandma old laptop after HDD died.
I never heard her complain about anything, she can use her browser, office and print stuff.
And it is better for this use case than windows. Much less things to worry about.
"As a consumer, we are not caring"
Exactly, and the way it says those things often in that uber cryptic geek speak.
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Thats why I remember Ubuntu even 10-15 years ago was very much simplified in those parts. The installer was easy, then after installation it was asking for driver support or something. I think it was for the GPU drivers. Install those and everything worked better.
There was this media extensions installation "button".. after that all the codecs worked.
So it wasn't that straight forward as I explained but pretty much a couple of clicks and you had most of the stuff working like in windows.
Besides I remember requiring to download codec packs to windows as well.. not for mp3 but for some video files. Fmmpeg packs etc.
And nowadays windows is trying to sell me hvec and heic formats from the store..?
@@akse Ubuntu sucked 15 years ago and I'm wiling to bet it still sucks compared to Osx.
I mean you are right but at least terminal tells you what else do you need to install to work with codecs and etc. i assume you twlk this because of debian 'issue' that you can easily fix with few lines in terminal and apt set up
Simple: it doesn’t come preinstalled in computers
Usually, it’s Windows
When you buy a server, whatever you want comes installed. Windows, being the more expensive option. Not a good answer for why linux isnt used more in IT or by IT professionals. The actual answer is because more people know how to use windows, so finding admins for windows servers is cheaper and the on ramp for learning how to admin windows server is easier because most people know windows at some level.
It's not the main reason - if it came pre-installed on my machine, I'd still have to uninstall it and put windows on there - because most of the software I need isn't available on Linux. And Linux isn't great at everything (see audio, it SUCKS at audio).
And reason is because it was preinstalled on your previous machines @@zoeherriot
@@zoeherriotif linux was pre installed on every computer, windows would be the OS that does not support software
@@adammiller9029 while true, that is not the same on most desktops, often linux preinstalled from OEM builder is hard. There are some business laptop models from the likes of HP and dell, but vast majority of their ranges are windows the only way I can really guarantee it is to use linux specialist/1st class places like system76 and framework, which are much smaller players.
About the mom anecdote.
I think as for all tools, it's about being adapted to the user and their needs.
My mom was complaining about her computer becoming very slow and about multiple warnings about security (W7 in 2024).
She is not computer literate and is easily confused when interfaces change.
I sat down with her and we made a list of everything she does on her computer, we even went through most of them. My assessment was that almost all her needs were handled by a web browser. Being able to explain that to her, to show her the icon she is using was very important.
Then, I gave her an option like only GNU+Linux can offer. We'll set a Live USB for her and she can test and confirm that everything works without installing anything. I even had her take notes on how to access the documents on her HDD.
After a week of her using the new OS, she too felt good.
Next step, I bought her a 3.5" SSD and an external usb3 SATA enclosure. Swapped the disks and installed Lubuntu on the SSD. I showed her how to access the old HDD, explained that if at any time for any reason she wanted to revert to W7, she could just swap the HDD and restart. I sat with her while she copied her files from the W7 install to the new file system.
That long text just to say that given the use case GNU+Linux can be a solution that won't be hard to give to an older person. The only thing she had to learn was to accept updates when prompted and type the password to install them.
Yes but you did it for her. You adopted it for her. Linux is great for those who have a Linux tech on hand and useless otherwise.
@@Igbon5 She couldn't install windows or chromeOS neither. The migration process would have been the same. What's different is the live USB option that gave her the reassurance that she could go back at any point.
She also asked for help. It' wasn't FOSS evangelism. She hoped to keep her machine that she liked and asked for help in that regard. No way win10 could be customized to work on her hardware. And W7 is abandon-ware at this point.
@@industrialvectors Fair enough but this use case is minuscule and the fact that Linux needs tech assistance still applies.
Also if she were that computer illiterate "just swap the HDD" seems a bit of a stretch.
And, why stick with the same machine? Keyboards and screens are awfully similar between even distant generations. A newish machine could be indistinguishable from an older one.
@@Igbon5 I respectfully disagree. Linux does not need tech assistance for basic home/office operations. I also believe that beginners need assistance with all OSes. It just appears that most people are taught with Windows, ChromeOS or MacOS rather than alternatives. The biggest barrier to entry is that most pre-built systems sold come with windows (or perhaps chromeOS). Installing windows isn't trivial either. I'd argue that it's even harder because you now required an account.
Strange thing is, most older people I know have no problem using any sort of physical media. As long as it's an object they understand how it's inserted/plugged. Swapping a drive, a physical component hidden behind a 4 screws door is much easier to understand than changing settings.
As for the choice of computer, it's not on me. As any aging person my mother is not comfortable with change, she chose and bought her computer 15 or so years ago. She wants to keep using it unless something major happens. Since all she really needs is a modern browser, I didn't argue, a light distro is a great option.
Why don’t more people switch to Linux? Because most people don’t ever even THINK about what an operating system is. 99% of people on this planet have no clue what it is.
I would go as far as to say for most people chrome os is enough if it gets games
I would use linux but all the games i love playing only work on windows :(
That also means whatever they use now works for them.
I grew up with DOS, I know what an operating system is. Back in the 80s and early 90s the only way to use a P.C was knowing how to use DOS.
I know DOS, Linux, Unix, Python, and C++, just not interested in typing commands anymore for my own personal enjoyment such as playing games, surfing the net, watching RUclips, etc.
The reason why I won't switch to Linux is because I am done with typing in commands just to accomplish basic tasks when I can just click a button.
Hey, you like Linux and that's great, however not everyone wants to type commands to do anything.
It's inertia; people just use want a device out of the box that runs the Apps everyone else is running; it's why Windows Phone flopped against Linux based Android. There is a reason why Microsoft basically gives OEMs licenses for free or even pays them at the cost of bundled bloatware; to protect their inertia which minimizes the impact of companies like System76. It's what Windows 11 telemetry is for; they'll charge the end consumer for licenses, but they are paying OEMs to use Windows 11 with ad revenue. The average Windows users don't even know how to install Windows; they either throw the machine away or bring it to a computer shop and have someone do that for them. Having to make bootable media is already a losing proposition.The install process for modern Linux distros is certainly easier than Windows as you aren't forced to make an account and it's usually bundled with all the drivers you need. Valve put in a lot of work to make the Steam Deck usuable for this level of computer user.
Most people don’t want to voluntarily suffer. Regular folks *already suffer* with Windows. Linux is like superhell for regular windows users.
The moment any problem pops up, you're screwed. It's like expecting your average Betty to fix her own car, when she doesn't even know how to pop open the hood. Linux is for mechanics who like constantly tinkering. For people with better things to do, their first Linux problem is their last Linux problem. Paying to simply click a couple of buttons on any other system, instead of memorizing tons of terminal commands, just provides more of that supposed freedom.
I really enjoyed it when my Linux server's package manager somehow managed to mangle the packages and left me in a situation where I could no longer install anything, because it now had circular dependencies - must install package B to install package A, must install package A to install package B. My options were to attempt some kind of manual intervention involving building things from source, which I could certainly do, or wipe the system and start again. Not the first time I'd run into this sort of thing on Linux. Frankly that the system allowed me to do something that would so fundamentally break it is not good.
I don't suffer Windows. It happens to do everything I need my operating system to do. I'm happy to use Linux for my servers, because there it does everything I need on a server.
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I'm a programmer who hates Apple & Microsoft. I use Linux command line all the time. I REALLY want to like Linux desktop. I try it every 5 years, and each time it sucks, sucks, sucks. I don't use it because it sucks. I don't understand why Linux has no UX experts. Maybe it's too many cooks? Much of UX is objective, not subjective. And Linux never gets it right.
@@arthurrock4979 You haven't used Linux (for ages) have you?
You are as screwed if you are clueless with Windows problems as with Linux problems.
"Some people deploy on Windows", was that a Crowdstrike reference?
Actually worked in a place that deployed a critical web server to Apache on Windows... I don't even want to talk about it.
@@orbatos You should. It might help you reach the next step in the 12 steps of recovery. Or give you PTSD.
Makes sense for .NET stuff I guess
@@orbatos ouch
@@orbatos At least it was Apache. Where I work we have customers deploying to Windows IIS servers.
They pay A LOT more for those in maintenance alone because it's a hassle and a half to even just keep running, let alone deploy to.
*A list of real reasons:*
1) Too little / insufficient / poor marketing. - The term ‘Linux’ is off-putting for many, if they know it at all.
2) An overwhelming variety of distributions, desktop environments, options for installing software, etc. - Even if you are willing to overcome these hurdles and familiarise yourself with the "ecosystem", you cannot ‘just like that’ switch to something else, as Linux is basically incompatible with itself.
3) Inadequate and inaccessible user interface / design. - Even the supposedly user-friendly distributions struggle with this and, in the worst case, require their users to use the command line for regular tasks.
4) The toxic and supposedly elitist Linux ‘community’.
5) The lack of (commercial) software and poor support for current or new hardware.
6) The lack of sensible / well-thought-out defaults.
7) Lack of / insufficient backward compatibility.
8) Insufficient / unfocused project management
*Conclusion:*
While Apple and Microsoft have been getting closer and closer to fulfilling the promise of ‘it just works’ with every iteration for decades, Linux is still struggling with the basics. - As long as the Linux ‘community’ does not (want to) realise that nobody is waiting for them, nothing will change.
Using Linux as a main OS is basically like using an Old-Timer as a daily driver. You spend more time servicing and maintaining your device than actually driving it. - Setting up and running a Hackintosh as a daily driver is also a fitting metaphor.
*A possible way out:*
If there's anyone who can save desktop Linux, it's Valve. They have the resources, power, know-how and most importantly the WILL to actually make desktop Linux a thing. - Linus Torvalds thinks so too, by the way.
you basically just described the problem of Open Source.... it great and all... but one entitiy with one vision can achieve so much more and so much more efficiently... that's why basically no Open Source program finds mass adaptation... and a few developers using something is not mass adaptation
@@LoFiAxolotl Firefox, Chrome, LibreOffice, VLC media player, Signal & co: Are we a joke to you?
@@Chuck_vs._The_Comment_Section LibreOffice yes is a joke even compared to Microsoft office.... Chrome is true though... VLC while it may feel so... did not find mass adaption... the "mass" would include people like your Grandparents, my Grandparents etc etc and i can guarantee you other than Chrome they haven't heard of any of them
I’ve used Linux as fulltime for over a decade, arch fer years - void fer years, now pop os fer years… and I absolutely love it for developing web stuff, building clis, and experimenting with different dev tools and programming languages ... But if I want to print, connect a Bluetooth speaker, or even just get normal audio working out of a headphone jack, I still expect to loose several days pulling my hair out and then i expect the solution to work for no more than 6 months … I love Linux, but I completely understand why more peoples don’t use it.
Ironic... The 3 cases you mentioned (print, Bluetooth and audio sinks/sources management) are the reasons I abandoned Windows for good (cups, bluez and pactl respectively are way better and more straightforward to configure all these, but you need to know what you're doing).
On linux, you eventually know or figure out why something doesn't work. On Windows, you'll never know..
@@qchtohere8636 respect 🫡
I have a printer that doesn't work with Windows newer than Windows XP and still works out of the box on Linux. I don't change it because it is a laser black and white printer that does all I need it to do.
Are you a time traveler from 10 years ago?
Just switched to the funny penguin OS. WoW runs fine via Lutris and discord has a native app. Everything a growing gamer needs
@@RichardRemer elitist garbage. I could say the same about whatever you play, too.
Discord doesn't have a native app anywhere, it's all just javascript bundled with a browser.
@@andyvulhop He probably plays tetris. Now that is real hard core gaming.
@@RichardRemer "gamer" is not the segmentation the games industry uses. It might be the segmentation a drinks or yellow glasses company uses.
I'd argue that world of warcraft is bad for young people. It's bad for old people too, but habits developed at younger age are much harder to kick.
17:40 "And then you go and you look at how libraries do it, and how other people do it ..." this is usually where your horrible experience starts
My attempts for Linux:
1. ASUS laptop - installed mint - everything amazing - the Brightness buttons not working - spend 2 days installing drivers, nothing helped
2. Lenovo laptop - installed ubuntu, everything amazing - wifi not working....
3. MS Surface - installed ubuntu, everything amazing - touch screen not working
4. My Desktop PC - installed ubuntu, everything amazing - my PCI Wifi module not working,... (no idea who is card manufacturer, text is not there, so no driver)
Err you need to update as soon as you install it. I have Linux on 3 pcs now and on a 2012 mac. I would not do Mint though each ver of Linux is diff for a dif type of users. You would like Majero Linux
@@Joshua.Developer I updated my computers after installing linux... One of the problem also was that when I run Linux from boot disc (without direct installation), those things mostly works, but when I installed them directly, there was always something.
Touch screens and Wi-Fi have a history of never working out of the box in most Linux distros, However, most of the propietary drivers for Linux are very easy to install
That’s not too surprising. You bought hardware that was designed to run an entirely different operating system. It’s pretty cool to me how much does just work out of the box. You can always buy systems designed for Linux from the likes of Tuxedo or System76 if you don’t want to deal with hardware compatibility headaches.
For hardware supoort ubuntu is a bad choice because they take forever to update the kernel, Fedora or PopOS! Are better options in that regard. Its why I stopped using Ubuntu in the first place.
2:20 Just feel like clarifying: I dont think the implication there is that Linux is necessarily good for you, but rather that the argument of "If linux is so good why is nobody using it" -> "If linux were good more people would be using it" doesn't make much sense, since there is no 1:1 correlation between what people do and whats objectively good for them, as evidenced by the fact that exercise is objectively good for you, but not everybody does it. Subtle difference, but still pretty important. Basically, low user numbers cannot be the sole argument against the quality of a product.
I'm sad that this response isn't getting more likes.
User numbers are a direct reflection of the experience people had when trying to use linux. Just like the number of people playing a video game is determined by how good the game is. It doesn't have to be a 1 to 1 correlation. How many windows users tried linux at some point, ultimately to be dissapointed and switch back to windows? Had their linux experience been better, they wouldn't have switched back
@@zenchess One; thats an opinion on a subjective point - so its essentially multiple layers of subjectivity.
Two; thats only slightly tangential to the point you are responding to.
@@BruceNJeffAreMyFlies It's kind of ridiculous to argue that there should be a 1 to 1 comparison of people doing things that are 'good for' them. In fact many, many people excersise, saying 'not all people excersise' is hardly an argument.
This guy is basically trying to say that the number of linux users has basically nothing to do with the experience people had with linux, which imo is totally false. I'm the perfect example. I have attempted to switch to linux multiple times, but always there was some problem or reason I could not make the switch - and if linux were better I and many other people WOULD make the switch.
No, Linux doesn't capture more market share because people simply get a better experience on other operating systems, whether that's due to driver support, game support, graphics card support, or simply the applications they want to use not being available on linux. Linux apologists always point out that you can jump through hoops and use wine or something, but once you've got through wine hell you realize you're better off just using windows, because everything just works and there's no reason to spend hours on google researching how to fix the obscure linux problem you have and compiling source packages to get your hardware to work.
I bought a 10G ethernet adapter recently. Guess what - it didn't work plug in play on linux. But it does on windows. These are real examples of where the linux experience is just worse. Don't blame adoption of linux on people not understanding what is best for them - the people are already informed. Make linux better and you will see more adoption.
@@zenchess That's not what they're arguing though. They aren't saying there should be a 1:1 corellation, they're simply pointing out that there isn't one.... Being a better choice is, on its own, EVIDENTLY not enough to draw people away from the worse alternatives.
That's an objectively factual statement. Basic logic - if x, then y.
'This guy' is not saying that. Not at all. That's YOUR interpretation of what they said. BIG difference.
You can argue, all you want, about user experience. Without actual data, it's all speculation. You can say all that, and more, but I have no further reason to believe it's true - you're just some guy arguing against your own perception rather than anything actually said here. Your speculation is worth no more than that of op.
Your speculation is ESPECIALLY invalidated, in my eyes, when you say things like windows 'just works'.
Your anecdotes of proprietary software mean little to nothing - a company choosing to support one OS over another does not change anything about how 'good' the OS is. It just changes your experience as a direct result of purchasing from companies that support windows, but do not support linux. That's not an argument, that's just an example of personal sabotage.
I can give plenty of my own anecdotes - I can mention that installing linux mint is, both, faster and less effort every time I have done it, compared to windows. I can talk about how most people require little to no time to understand how to do EVERYTHING they ever do on a laptop/desktop computer running linux mint. I can mention that installation through a package manager is faster and easier than downloading and running an executable. I can mention that only moron would need to spend HOURS on google solving a problem on linux, if the same problem wouldn't also take hours to solve on windows. I can give hundreds of anecdotes. But they would all be beside the point. None of that has anything to do with what OP was saying; they were making an accurate clarification regarding the analogy made in the video.
"Don't blame adoption of linux on people not understanding what is best for them" Nobody is doing that. Nobody at all.
Hey, I'm a dev and have been using linux for more than a decade (dual booting with windows cause of games and some music software). But I feel if you have to ask this, then you haven't used Linux or have a little common sense. Linux is not more widespread because a) it's not standard (many different flavours, folder structures, rationale, desktop environments, etc), b) it doesn't often come preinstalled, c) even on something as plug-and-play as Ubuntu, sometimes you still have to tweak things manually, editing config files as superuser, typing obscure commands in a terminal and piping it through grep and whatnot, which would be stressful and difficult for a non-technical user, d) shit hardware often has trouble in Linux, even if you have a driver, e) some proprietary professional hardware (in any field) just won't work because of no driver support, f) many proprietary software have no Linux versions and no equally comfortable alternative, g) Linux tends to have more hiccups than Windows after updates... we all know it, we've all lived it, and we continue to live it. And those are just off the top of my head. And I'm a Linux nerd, I just try not to be a hypocrite or act all surprised at why granmas everywhere aren't using Linux on their own.
IMO it's a bit like asking why don't more people build their own car, or why isn't Rachmaninov more widely listened to. Well, Linux was never designed to be for everyone, and it still isn't. It's for technical nerds like us. Some may try to make "user friendly" distros, but the moment something goes off the rails, you still gotta fix it the Linux way, if you know what I mean
Linux is actually very much defacto standard to run containers.
Folder structure is also standard, there is filesystem hierarchy standard and that is based on unix conventions used over half century. Unlike in Windows where locations changes all the time.
Hiccups after updates are related to is it stable system or some rolling release. Like, Windows 7 or 8 were much more stable than like.. Fedora where versions changed all the time. Today Debian is much more stable than Windows Home/Pro.
But I don't expect no one to install OS themselves. When production quality Linux based OS is installed ready to someone, it can be very good, decrappfied experience.
@@gruntaxeman3740 "to run containers"
This is about users running the OS as their primary way of operating their computer. You're not wrong though.
user friendly distros are basically our tool for reducing the workload of nerds with families who are super zeroes with computers that call every day because something "doesn't work again"
"Linux tends to have more hiccups than Windows after updates" Arch Linux? Maybe; Ubuntu, Fedora, DEBIAN??? Not at all lmao
@@gruntaxeman3740 Fedora is very stable nowadays. Arch Linux would have been a better example
People get sorted into 3 categories in my world of "providing support to people I know".
1. Chromebook - Everything you do needs to be done in a web browser
2. Linux - You need local storage or want to play/use some more powerful local applications
3. Windows - There is some app you depend on to make your living.
The truth is most folks I know I try to get on Chromebooks.
My wife has been on Kubuntu since Feisty Fawn. Every time KDE makes changes I have to go in and customize things to her liking again. With that said, her KDE setup is very much now as it was in 2007. The best way for me to get into a knife fight at home would be to try to move her from Kubuntu.
Great Grandma runs Windows. She is the one person I am willing to have a hole drilled in my head for to keep their windows rig working....for email and to print a recipe.
"for email and to print a recipe" is exactly the easiest people to move to linux. I hesitate to tell anyone to use chromebooks when google's playbook these days is to soak up as much user data as possible - why freely give them more of it
@@gorak9000 printer drivers tho...
@@myxail0it's actually decent if you are using not too fancy printers, it uses the same backend as what macs uses.
In my case, it's defo the 3rd case. God, I hate it
my dad runs linux. he gives 2 shits about the os it can open chrome and play his classic tv shows. in fact he got so good at his classic shows he didnt even care when the cable tv got the axe.
This article is a good example of begging the question
Based and correct usage of the term
Prime calls that out, but he didn't use the term for the "fallacy".
Also some fun examples of begging the question that American's have to deal with.
- The metric system
- Universal healthcare
- Those Asian trucks with a shorter front
- Beefing up the rail infrastructure (vs a car, or airline)
I stopped running Linux on the desktop because I got tired of having to understand how to debug the os for stupid reasons. The first time, it’s a puzzle to be solved. But the dozenth time, it’s just unnecessary friction preventing me from getting things done.
It's really dependent on what distro you use - some are targeted at tinkerers, and some are more stable and just work
@@gorak9000 Even the distros that "just work" don't "just work" as well as a Windows or Mac. I'll give you an example. I tried switching my work laptop from Windows to Linux, so I installed Mint on it and opened up Microsoft Powerpoint. It worked......until I tried to connect it to my projector and the presenter view didn't work properly. On Windows this just....works. I spent an hour trying to get it to work on Linux before reverting back to Windows. Could it have worked on a different Linux distro? Possibly, but I'm not going to waste time installing dozens of different distros to find one that works when I can just go back to Windows and it just....works.
Felt that way about WSL2 and before that, developing on Windows. I was put into the work force on a Linux machine. Sometimes what you were put into is the best option.
@TheMidnightIllusion it is no coincidence that a Microsoft product won't work properly on a Linux device. The one contradiction is VSC. I'm still surprised how buttery smooth it is on a Linux OS
@@ClintonChelak Well that's their perogative. No company is obligated to develop firmware to let their hardware run smoothly on every operating system, and they aren't going to bother unless there is a clear monetary gain from it.
It's a catch-22 really. Companies aren't going to offer better Linux support until it sees more maintream use, but it won't gain that mainstream use until there is more support for it.
As for VSC, I'm guessing there are enough Microsoft employees who use it on Linux that the company are willing to put the time into making it smooth.
I installed ubuntu on my grandparents computer after literal years of fixing their computer because my grandfather visited the worst websites. They'd get so many viruses at one point I had to reformat their computer 4 times in a month. So the last time that happened, I installed ubuntu because it started getting pretty good and could almost work out of the box with no issue. They only browsed the internet, and used outlook, and played solitaire. So I spent maybe 4 hours setting their system up, setting up their email, putting card games they'd play on it, and making everything as easy for them as possible, with the goal of never needing to fix their computer again. Needless to say, it worked like a charm. They hated it, and from then on never asked me to fix their computer again. Would do it again to buy the 10 years of peace.
converted mny dad to linux relly after getting used to the ui he didnt even notice. it does what he ask of it and hes happy.
😂
Bruh what's that goofy ahh pfp lol
My mom (82) uses an account on my Mint box when she's out for months every year. No more confusing than her Windows laptop.
Because your mom (82) probably doesn't understand Windows anyway, so what if she doesn't understand Linux?
@@haniffaris8917 She's quite sharp, but yes - that's the point I was making
If she use for web brosing , its the same expirance ,or a game , the diference is The Terminal😅
@@haniffaris8917How many Windows users understand Windows?
@@mgord9518 4
Almost none of this is dependent on Linux. Everything Prime talks about can be done in most OS's (most people just don't care). It's not a virtue of Linux that it forces you to do hard things because it lacks the user friendly version.
I use Arch btw
I put my mom, wife, and kids on Linux. If all they need to do is browse the web and use Google for school, why do they need Windows?
Truth
Soon Windows will be declared illegal for kids.
@@nifftbatuff676 WHere?
@@therealmrarchive in the penguin world!
Because most other computers they will use will be.
I'm in this journey to learning the basics, after you learn everything became easier to understand!
When you stick to user friendly distros Linux isn't _hard_ it's just _different._
Once you learn those differences and how to do some windows stuff on Linux it's smooth sailing from there.
good luck with learning 28 console commands just to plug in a flash drive, and good luck with investing 5.5 months just to start using a text editor
@@ruslansmirnov9006 That's plain malicious misinformation.
@@ruslansmirnov9006 this isn't 1999.
You can plug in a flash drive just fine on Linux (USB is open, it's well supported on Linux).
And unless you're specifically using a power user distro like Arch you're already going to have a text editor like Kate.
Fun fact: Not all of Linux is like Arch.
@@marschallblucher6197 we are not talking about clones of Notepad here, man
we are talking about neovim
and we're also not talking about Debian-based distros for kiddies, we are talking about `real` linux distros such as RedHat, Mageia or Slack
Even if a firefighter didn't go to a fire call all year, the strength argument still stands, due to the shear amount of regular patients that have to be deadlifted out of their homes and onto the gurney and then from the gurney to the hospital bed at the ER. Not to mention the number of patients who try to fight you at all stages of the call. Analogy still works. Source: EMT
Learning nowadays is also free and “better” than being an absolute dummy, so what’s stopping people from doing that? It’s hard, that’s why.
Time and effort aren't free.
No, none of my devices work properly and got crappy drivers for linux, that's why I don't move over.
@@Xenozillextechnically they are. Time passes every day without me paying any money for it to do so and putting in effort is 100% free. Sure you can get paid for your effort but we put in a lot of effort without monetary incentive all the time.
@@TheRogBG You are stuck in the belief that value is strictly monetary.
The last time I tried Linux I was fully prepared to learn it. However everytime I tried to find information it was written in a way that explained it to people who already understood how to use it.
I am a graphic designer. what is linux
You're not missing anything but pain and suffering.
@@Caboose2563 and freedom
@@Caboose2563?????
Good question 😂
@@Caboose2563 nah
I completely disagree with the article. As a programmer i want to write programs, not fight againts the operating system
Fight how
And that's exactly why I don't want to even touch Windows on my dev machine. Linux is a no brainer when it comes to develop software. All the best tools are developed for Linux
I'm lucky enough to be old enough to have _had_ to go through all the learning. We learnt the network stack. We learnt how to do logic gates and binary arithmetic. We coded a graphics library to do matrix transformations on 3d models, we learnt relational algebra. Apart from binary and network masks, not many of those things are directly useful, but it does provide a good understanding of what's going on.
I think it's fairly straightforward: Windows comes with most laptops/PCs and most people won't change the default that's good enough. Plus most people have maybe heard of that mythical beast called "Linux" but don't know exactly what it is and never thought that they should try it out. Saying this because I've met plenty of people who struggle to understand what a web browser is (though to be fair, all of those were elderly). There are a lot of non technical people in this world who just don't know or care. At least that's my theory.
5:31 Instead of setting my parents, for whom Windows can be a struggle, with Linux, I've tried to set them up with an iPad. It's limited, yes, but that's exactly why it's a good fit for them.
Yea, most computer user don't really care what OS they ran on their computer. They just want it to do the things that they want to do. Windows being the largest OS naturally got more support from the manufacturers and developers and also pre-installed on most laptop that all your average Joe needs to do is do the OOBE setup and use their laptop.
For someone new to actively use Linux right now they need to:
1. Actually know it exist
2. Curious enough to try it
3. Pray to god that their don't have shitty hardware or bios (fuck you acer)
4. Have enough patience to set it up, find alternative to the program that they use on windows, and deal with any troubleshooting (which even on windows a lot of people don't want to deal with)
That being said, people who just generalized linux as too much hassle therefore not worth your time based on the little time they have with it is disingenuous. Same with people who said that linux is flawless and just ignore all the real problem with it, linux isn't the perfect os.
My advice to people who are interested is to just try it, see if it's compatible with your hardware, maybe use it on and off, and overtime you'll probably fall in love with part of it, hated some other, and then made a conscious decision to daily drive it for life or not. Whether or not you switching fully to linux, you probably learn something in your way.
"Why don't more people use Linux?"
Assuming they mean "regular users," it's because installing an OS on your computer is an inherently technical process. You cannot expect non-technical people to do something inherently technical. And if they want their local IT guy to do it for them, well...
If they mean "technical users," it's because technical users have an ego to bruise. I know this, because this was me prior to learning Linux. I took several stabs at learning Linux in the early 00's, and a lot of the shit I said back then is exactly what I hear technical users spouting when they try out Linux. And ultimately it doesn't come down to some sick burn that Linux hasn't changed since the early 00's. It comes down to the fact that they don't know how to use Linux, and they're not used to not knowing how to do something technical. The complaints, if you really look at them, are just a fact that Linux isn't Windows, and they're trying to use open source Windows. And that's just never going to work.
I put my 60+ year old mother in law on Linux. Ubuntu 18.04, IIRC. She sat down, and started learning how to do the things that she wanted to do in the new environment. This is exactly why regular users can switch to/from Windows/Mac, and very few technical users can.
As for advocating for using Linux. I don't talk to regular users about the virtues of using FOSS. I don't talk to them about how we must take down Apple and Microsoft. They don't care, and that's okay. What they care about is getting shit done. By and large, they can get their shit done in Linux just fine. That's how you get people to try out Linux.
That, and don't install Arch (btw) on the computer you give to them to try Linux with. Give them the latest Ubuntu LTS, and call it a day. Give them something that just works out of the box, not something where you can wank all night on the wiki to get just about anything done.
Yep. It's like.... I like driving cars with a manual transmission. That's how I learned to drive, my current car is a manual, it's what I like. I guess I feel more in control and more engaged when I drive a manual than an auto. But that's me, I totally get that for most people an automatic transmission is just easier and that learning to drive a manual can be quite difficult and intimidating if all you've ever known is an auto. People just want to get where they're going, y'know?
Finally a voice of reason. People just want stuff done and doesn't care about FOSS ideology.
@@someotherguyyouknow but most cars in the world are manual
I know how to use Linux. I've used it extensively, even as a desktop OS. Based on my experience I have no particular interest in making it my main system. It also won't run Microsoft Office natively and I've yet to find any alternative office software that is an adequate replacement for Microsoft's.
Now as a technical user I'm used to not knowing how to do something or how a tool works. As a technical user I'll naturally experiment and explore. However the non-technical people in my family don't and won't. They'll be coming to me for support when they inevitably run into a problem while trying to do something on Linux. And if they did tinker then sooner or later they'd get their system into a totally broken state and I'd have to go re-install and configure it for them.
Linux has certainly come a long way since 30 years ago when it was little more than a system for people who liked to spend most of their time tinkering. It was amusing, but primarily a huge pain to actually use as a daily system.
MacOS is actually hands down the superior choice for non-technical people if they can afford the hardware.
@@someotherguyyouknow Even as a driver of a manual transmission you're still most likely one of the people who just wants to get where they are going. The more appropriate analogy would probably be those people who know exactly how their car works and interacts with the road.
Now, hear me out. I set my grandfather up with a linux machine. (Manjaro btw.) And you know what? He is doing great. You just have to choose an minimal effort distribution (Arch btw.), and let it just roll. It works. He browses the web, paints in gimp. The thing, is that an operating nowadays is just reduced to a glorified browser starter. So setting up "normal" people with linux isn't as bad. The bad part is to get the people of the heroin (windows, osx, etc).
Prove to me that it's fine for standard issue people to use Linux by demonstrating your knowledge about fractional scaling, a fairly common demand, in Linux.
Because in Windows all you gotta do is click some buttons in the setting.
@@haniffaris8917
It's a single button on Manjaro(KDE btw) what are you talking about?
(In gnome it's under settings>gnome tweaks if you just couldn't find it lmao)
"You just have to choose an minimal effort distribution (Arch btw.)"
This is one of the reasons why it doesn't have a greater adoption rate. Because only you, who is already so deep into the Linux world would reasonably know which ones require more or less effort. It's possible to search for the information if you know what to look for, but that's also sort of a knowledge issue. People wouldn't know to search for a distribution for example. Then there's yet another issue, the "what if I pick the wrong one?" situation. There are loads of issues with it and people really just want something that works and will keep working without them needing to tweak or fix things to achieve it.
@@baranjan6969 Beep! Wrong.
You gotta make sure your distro support Wayland, X11's fractional scaling support is unusable at best, unless you want to deal with laggy ahh performance.
Then since most people would be unfamiliar with Linux, you gotta be lucky on your DE, since if you pick GNOME, you'll have to enable its experimental options for fractional scaling, except you're also lucked out on the distro and they already enable it by default.
But wait! Why oh why are texts so blurry? For the longest time I thought it was just a Linux problem, until I decided I've had enough of GNOME's shenanigans and jumpship to KDE, and lo, and behold! The texts ain't blurry no more.
I notice there is an option to do fractional scaling system wide, which means even applications that don't natively support fractional scaling would also be scaled, but at the cost of all application looking blurry. I'm guessing GNOME enables that by default. I leave it at disabled, no more blurry text, but now some applications aren't scaled, bummer.
That doesn't sound too bad? Believe me, trying to find the root of the problem while not knowing what even is causing the problem is hellish.
And that's just fractional scaling, don't get me started on software compatibility, no, I'm not talking about how some Windows apps aren't working on Linux, I'm talking about how some Linux apps aren't working on Linux.
Apperantly some softwares only support either deb, or rpm. And apperantly some softwares only support some version of the Distro. There are workarounds to those issues, but I've tried, ain't working.
Also, apperantly configurations and file paths are different from one distro to another, so goodbye following some config guides, I guess.
But screw Microsoft, I'm staying with the penguin.
@@baranjan6969 Oh yeah, Gentoo, that distro where I need to compile everything?
Again, if I need to go on a hunt to enable a simple setting correctly, I don't think it's ready for mass use.
I don't even use Linux daily myself, but I just prepared a "new" computer for my parents and installed Linux Mint with a windows 10 theme. Wish me luck. I don't plan to tell them and just hope they never notice 😂.
They won't notice a thing
One month later and they still have not noticed that anything is different. I would like to call that a success. I was a bit worried when my dad called after about a week and said "there is an update on the computer, can I click yes?". And I was like "yep, sound good". No more comments, it updated and he was good to continue 😁
My parents wanted a machine for the living room that works like a console but isn't a console (they wanted access to steam games and older emulated titles) so I actually installed chimera OS on their machine.
About once a week, I see them grab the controllers, pick it up, and go do their thing. When they're done, they just hard-kill it by the switch and put the controllers down. lmfao
No auto updates or anything. I run the CLI every once in a while to update packages if need be, but the last time I actually did that was like 5 months ago.
No, idk if they'd enjoy it as a "desktop computer," but as a psuedo-console, they love it.
I live right down the street so I swing by just about everyday & they really do use it once a week. It just works.
But all they do is play some games on it.
I Use Linux for everything personal, except for media consumption, that i do in a Macbook air m1, but work on C#/Windows environment . Not an easy way to make a multimillion company to change to Linux at this point.
You must be stuck on the older .Net Framework stuff then? 😕 I'm a C# dev and have been using Linux for the last 3 years
@@scottwalker4619 workwise? Yes. Stuck at a legacy 4.5 framework app... with soap services of all things. Personal projects on .net core and js/ts world, everything in linux
The .NET ecosystem is multi-platform now
@@scottwalker4619 there's mono for the poor souls stuck on framework...
There's a shift happening where more stuff is moving to linux as it moves to the "cloud" - whether it's internally hosted cloud, or externally hosted, it's pushing a LOT of backend infrastructure to linux
I hate to say it, but I avoid using Linux desktops because of annoying instability. The final point was "updating of my disk encryption package break. the system two hours prior important call". Adding issues with audio, video... I gave up. I'm still using Linux for the development but as WSL under windows. When the terminal is the only staff you can access, it is much better for learning programming and deployment.
As the GUI... Maybe something has changed in the last several years, but I'm just not in the mood to endlessly fight some random bug that happened because of some package that decided to break userspace.
Did you use operating system that was intended for production use ?
I've heard similar story before but they all all have been user errors where user has chosen some preview/insider/developer/beta version, or using some rolling release that are changing all the time.
And if you told that there are several times happended something, that is just unbelievable.
@@gruntaxeman3740 It is more complicated. I had to use that version of the encryption app related to the company requirements. So, it's not totally a Linux issue. It was also my mistake to upgrade apps before the demo. That was not a single reason to move away but a last drop.
In general, I have never had a smooth experience with Linux Desktop. I've tried Ubuntu, Mint, and Arch, and I have issues with all of them. I agree that maybe I'm not good enough to use this system. It's probably true.
But what I really want from the GUI part of the system, as John Govard said, I want it just works. I didn't get it through 5 years of Linux experience. I gave up and switched to Windows + WSL, which has been fine for me for the last 2 years. Currently, I disable Copilot through group politics, and Windows has a lot of shit I'm annoyed about, but I have a more stable experience for me.
@@jadencorr6897
Ubuntu is known for poor QA and only LTS releases are considered stable. Mint is derived from Ubuntu with minimal resources & support. There is also Mint derived from Debian and that is likely a bit better. Arch is rolling release where updates are making changes, like breaking compatibility. Especially breaking compatibility to anything third party app because there are not much of stability in rolling releases.
Red Hat Enterprise, Suse Enterprise, Debian and Ubuntu LTS are the stable ones.There are also encryption features in OS.
@@gruntaxeman3740I’ve had better experiences with rolling-releases than stable ones. Usually the testing/semi-unstable branch has better results for my hardware.
I use Linux as my main driver. I also have a MacBook Pro. People don’t use Linux because it takes A LOT of time and dedication all the time to keep it running well. It’s easy to break it, and takes time to debug the issues, time not everyone has
i just ask the comunity for my problems
I just run Nixos. If it doesn’t change, it’s always stable. (I do rebuild every now and then)
What distro are you running where it takes *A LOT* of time and dedication to keep it running well?
I've been on pure ArchLinux and am in my third year of Manjaro, and the most time I generally ever need to spend to have it work as intended for me, is maybe 10 minutes maximum like twice a month when doing system updates, otherwise I'm purely off with whatever I feel like, all days long.
Additionally, it most of the time doesn't require me to know a whole bunch of commands and lots of tinkering in terminal, all I usually need/use, is either 1 single command, or pure GUI.
I'm a software developer, I use Linux 🙂. Although I am starting to become more concerned about Windows. Microsoft is being outright neglectful with Windows. They need to put some serious work into it.
How old are you? I remember many Microsoft failures such as Xenix, MS-DOS 4, Microsoft Bob, Clippy the Office Assistant, IE6, Cortana, Win95, Vista, Win8.0, Windows Phone, WinRT, and of course the Zune which came in dirty diaper and baby puke colors. Microsoft allowed Linux on Azure, ported MS-SQL Server to Linux, bought GitHub, Released the Windows Linux subsystem, wrote a new Terminal app, release VS Code Studio cross-platform, etc., etc., etc. All in an attempt to keep Cloud developers from jumping ship for a Mac or Linux. What's next? Well they could ditch the WinNT kernel and use Linux instead, then build a Microsoft Distribution and charge a subscription for access to the WinAPI so you can run legacy Windows apps. You could download all the open source except for that WinAPI.
@@matthewstott3493 What you're describing is the second E in the Microsoft EEE strategy, i.e. Embrace, Extend, Extinguish. They've done it before, they'll do it again.
@@matthewstott3493 Why would they drop the NT kernel, it's like the one rock solid bit of that OS?
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I think that is not that far fetched.
NT kernel is different than Linux, so it need own drivers. Most of the computers (I count mobile and server too) run on Linux so it is not that obvious that all hardware manufacturers are interested to make Windows drivers in future. Using Linux can save development resources from Microsoft.
And Linux is defacto standard on server because of Linux containers, so in Windows that need some emulation layer to run containers. Building separate containers for Windows host servers doesn't make much of sense and that has been reality long time. Microsoft is also long time ago moved .NET, SQL server etc. running top of Linux.
Currently Windows server is nearly same as legacy most of the developers, and Windows in client.. well, that is just something that Microsoft wants front of user to work as advertising platform, collecting data and use that to sell Microsoft cloud services, or game pass.
So it can make sense to Microsoft in some point of future change kernel to Linux, and run Visual C++ runtimes / .NET runtimes / DirectX etc. top of it. I don't think that can happen soon and first they completely drop everything that look 90s UI like those old admin tools, control panel etc. that so Windows is close to S-Mode UWP.
@@gruntaxeman3740 But the way a system api is made, win32 and winrt will need to be on top of the kernel to be able to be proprietary and not violate gpl2, but then it'll be a matter of time for devs to remake them into open source apis.
I like these cuts on RUclips.... as much as it is nice to be on the live stream via Twitch, thank you for the reader digest versions posted here ;)
for the record. I did installed linux to my mom. KDE is as easy to use for just using the browser as windows is.
plus windows doesn't even run on her laptop, because windows seems to need a terabyte of RAM to run, plus a micro with 20 threads in order to barely operate.
The TCP example is wrong in the sense that the data doesn’t always come in order to your machine. The packets have ordering info and a dropped packet can be requested again. The kernel puts the packets back in the right order if they are not already.
Receiver doesn't see that, so from receiver standpoint it's correct.
What receiver also doesn't see is how much data was sent as TCP packets can be split along the way.
I would use Linux if it just wasn't so ... broken. There is so much that is just so convoluted to use, just trying to get something to work can mean HOURS of dicking around in the terminal, jumping through hoops and I'm just not prepared to do all that only to have it break later on down the line. I need my stuff to just _work_.
Linux isn't broken, the distro you used was broken at the time you used it for some reason. It could be your hardware, it could be a bug, etc...
@@Karurosagu That's the point, it's always _something._ Linux never "just works". It's always some BS you have to dig through and fix. And sometimes it can't be fixed. Some drivers are just buggy/broken, etc.
Oh boy, "hours" is considered lucky in my book. I update system on saturday to have enough time to fix issues if any.
Hello, linux user here, I never use the terminal since 6 years ago, only the gui. What exactly are you using the terminal for? It's for technically advanced people and it's complicated, you shouldn't use it
@@isodoubIet That depends on the distro, some distros have almost everything working OK OOTB because they do care about the user experience and not the entire cult that FOSS tends to be (unless you have a very VERY specific and uncommon hardware) and they also make it very easy to install (you don't even have to use the terminal) anything that is missing, and that includes propietary drivers
Most Linux distros can't ship propietary drivers (and propietary software also) OOTB: they will get into a legal problem if they do that. And even if they could, they also can't ship every single driver out there into the base system because then the base system would be as unnecessarily bloated as Windows and most distros are against that because the generalised selling point is that you get zero propietary software and you are the one that has to choose what gets into your machine and what does not
TL;DR Freedom is not free of charge
Once Win10 goes end of support, I'm jumping ship to Linux
That is not a good strategy. Don't you have an old laptop lying around to try it out? Linux runs on any old hardware. Or install it on a Pi400 which costs 100 bucks.
@@hvxcolors396 It's a great strategy. Not all of us want all the spyware, which is only getting worse BTW. The best strategy would be to put Linux on all your hardware, both new and old. You can install fancier desktop environments on the newer PCs and run the old Raspberry Pies in headless mode.
No you won't
October 2025, BTW. Am already prepping my mind for a final full reinstall. Maybe I'll just buy a new system so I force myself to install Linux 😂
Real men use Debian XFCE on ultra fast computers (Alienware, HP Omen, etc). I do. And I don’t see the reason to wait on Linux.
I started using Windows with 3.1 when I was 4 years old. After the roughly 32 years of using Windows I swapped to Linux earlier this year. I've learned more about how my system works in about 6 months, than I have since Windows 98. If you go into Linux wanting to learn, it will teach you so much
You're on point with the one level deeper approach I think. Learning Odin so far has really felt like that comfortable next level from Go since the syntax is really similar, but a lot of the training wheels are taken off and you get to really play with the memory in a relatively familiar setting.
5:15 If your relative just needs a web browser, a word processor, and a way to print stuff (this is the case for my grandma), why does the OS really matter?
They are using Windows because it is the thing that is pre-installed, not because it has something they require. The only issue with Linux is that it's unfamiliar.
There are plenty of "just works" distros that you could install and then update for them every now and then when you visit, or teach them the process for updating it, and it would probably work without issue for a long time. And they might not need to upgrade their hardware for a long time too in that case.
Nowadays big chunk of people just need a browser. Everything is there. Most of them don't need any Windows specific native apps. Is Linux the answer... kinda but I fear future is in form of something like ChromeOS or iOS.
It's not noob friendly. Most people don't have time to learn something new unless it extreamly necessary.
As a past C++ game developer I've used Windows and VisualStudio: the dev experience was awesome.
And it was awesome to develop C# webapps, so I don't get the whole "Linux is better for devs".
When asked, the short answer is simply " I use some open source tech stack that was developed on Linux and runs better on Linux ". Nginx for instance, sucks on windows.
Make sense, but it's exactly the same reason windows users are blamed: " You are used to windows because you embrace the windows way of doing things". You are used to Linux because you are embracing the Linux way of doing things.
They say, for instance, that "Linux is better because you can chain bash command to do advanced file search". If I say that you can use powershell the answer is "bleah, nobody uses it and it's not a de facto shell standard".
So seems that is right for Linux users to fight windows asking its user base to do efforts and learn the "Linux way", leaving the most common used OS, but it's not right to ask the opposite.
Why? Because at the end there is the usual ideological battle: open source is good, ethic and so on, closed source e mega corporation is evil and capitalism
As a graphics developer I definitely agree with points you have raised. Different OS has their ways of doing things and it is hard to think out of the box the OS that you are currently working on. As someone who works primarily on Windows but has plenty of other stuff to deploy on Linux, I am familiar with both OSs and knows exactly what they are good at and what they sucks. The problem with working with Linux Desktop environment is that most of the distros fail to provide a stable Desktop environment and come on, people should admit that Linux Desktop is just so hard to interact with graphically. Display management, GUI designs, randomly crushing GUI just make it 'hard' and 'frustrating' to work with from non-development based point of view.
@@leebilly2898 Creating free GUIs for Linux is tough-most people lack the time, interest and cash. Staying fully open and sustainable is a big challenge. 99% of people don't even know what Linux is. 99% of desktop users use Windows to game on or do simple office work, most people are not devs or programmers.
GNOME is catching up fantastic though, let's hope they keep being crowdfunded or find more ways to resources.
Look, nobody is a fan of rm -Recurse -Force. That’s why nobody uses Powershell.
@@leebilly2898I genuinely don’t know what you are talking about in the second paragraph. Userspace is stable, Display management is easy (except on X11, but Wayland works better nowadays except for Nvidia), and it isn’t hard to work with.
@@xanderplayz3446 I could say the same about Linux: Nobody is fan of it, that's why it's not mainstream
For the first time ever I understand a full video of this guy without having to google a bunch of stuff. Feels like an accomplishment.
About moms and Linux. I think my mom is a typical computer user in her 70s. She's not a nerd/dev but also not a complete noob. I put Linux/Ubuntu on her 10y old laptop when I bought her a new SSD hard drive to speed it up. And I think she forgot she's using Linux after I told her. Most of her time on it is spent in Chrome anyway where the most advanced she do I think is a few simple spreadsheets in Google docs and handling email and online banking. Also in Chrome. Browsers are the new OS!
Pre-installed Windows on Laptops and Desktops are a convenience for the public that they're now very familiar with. People want it ready out of the box. There's just no mass marketing for Linux.
andorid and chromebooks. its mostly content makers gamers and the totaly clueless hanging onto windows at this point.
There is no mass marketing for Linux because every time it has been tried was a financial failure. Around 72% of the OS desktop marketing is Windows. You don't get to be biggest by telling people your product is easy to use once you understand it. In case toy haven't noticed Chromebooks are glorified smart phones and people who want that functionality usually by smart phones not Chromebooks.
@@patrickweaver1105 what do you think powers those phones. Also you said 72% runs Windows it used to be like 97%
@@patrickweaver1105 there's plenty of mass marketing for Linux just not for the desktop side.
@@gogereaver349 Most phones are android and it's so cut down it isn't Linux at all. 85% of computers are sold to consumers. There's barely any marketing for Linux beyond servers. Servers are marketed as hardware and there's barely any money spent on the software much less marketing at all.
I use linux because I was getting pop-up ads for ai bullshit from the operating system I already paid for
I give up on windows when they startert to tell how I can't use steam on win 7. Goodbye
I think a good reaction session is at software architectures (DDD, Hexagonal, Clean, Onion, etc )
Let's get triggered and confused together :))
For the last part of the video for anyone who wants to learn more about these layers, read about what is called the "OSI Layers", it's general knowledge taught in computer networking.
Few days to my 1st month anniversary. Switched to Linux the other month. Love your content Prime Man
linux doesnt have mechanical engineering stuffs like cad, or fem yet. no freecad 1.0 isnt released as of this comment
ondsel is working on getting freecad up to speed - I think there's finally a 1.0 release in the works that solves the topological naming problem...
It should be launched by the end of the year if I am not wrong.
One exception. My uncle who is computer illiterate and is a severe conspiracy theorist, kept getting viruses because conspiracy theorists are unusually gullible and will download anything. All he does is browse the web and troll sites until he gets banned. Installing Ubuntu on his machine was one of the best thing I ever did. Haven't had a computer related call in over 5 years when before it was weekly.
If you could put him back onto Windows asap so that it can break, then he (a) can’t troll, and (b) will stop digesting rubbish online, that would be awesome.
@@markd.9538 Thought about it but he'd just use his phone. It's funny, because he's afraid of the government tracking Windows and EV's, but I guess the device he carry's around in his pocket that tracks you buy design is ok.
@@Ryan-ff2db Most conspiracy theorists fail to think of the something that simple and appropriate. Everything to them has to be overly convoluted and intricate. It can't be that you use a phone, no. The cabal is going to microchip them or force them to adopt a smart house or personal robot to spy on them. Smartphones are an exception!
It is impossible to argue with those sorts of people.
Lack of hardware support. Yeah I know those stories of revitalizing old hardware. But you woudln't buy pc and wait for it to become old enough to be supported?
mine works fine lack of hardwere suport is becouse of companys
It works fine if you use a newer kernel. That’s why LTS isn’t always the way to go.
I think most people don't even really know what an operating system is and therefore they wouldn't understand why they should change the thing they didn't even know could be changed without a solid big company marketing push telling them why it has benefits over what they're already using
For my TCP and UDP studies I have developed a simple Java game that created a server and then broadcasted the changes in player position to all other connections. I was using TCP to update the movement and it was painful! UDP is great for that, because we can ignore old messages and just go with the newer one and as fast as possible.
Simple answer. Compatibility, ease of use, and availability.
Compatibility is the only valid thing you said. The other 2 haven't been true for a good few years now.
And to be honest compatibility is only true for very specialized software..... Browsers and office apps are on Linux and work identically to Windows.
@@hopelessdecoy This is the ignorance of Linux users. Name 1 Mainstream, gen-pop laptop shipped with Linux.... I'll wait.
90% of games are still not compatible with Linux.... What are you talking about?
You linux elitest are oblivious. You all say the same things.
@@jayvee4787 You are right, most people use windows simply because it is installed by default on 99% of desktops/laptops. The average person isn't going to care about the os they use as long as they can access the software they need and linux is still lacking with mainstream creative suite applications in particular.
However as someone who uses linux for gaming saying 90% of games aren't compatible is just straight wrong. Gaming is where linux has started to flourish most in recent years thanks to proton with the only real caveat being games with incompatible anticheats which are a minority.
@@immamark77 Remind me again how you play those games? Are they natively supported for the OS? Or are there extra steps in which you must take to play those games?
Again. I reiterate, Compatibility.
@@jayvee4787 Yes you have to enable proton before you can play them but regardless of that they still work and it doesn't matter if it's natively supported. If you wanna make a point about it being extra clicks to get proton working then thats an accessibility issue that I agree is an issue and could be fixed as easily as them just enabling it by default. But to be fair saying compatibility instad of native compatibility is ambiguous especially when proton is a compatibility layer.
fun fact: even apple products like iphone is made by CAD/CAM software that runs on windows
the big CAD/CAM stuff like AutoCAD also runs on MacOS. I highly doubt Apple is using mostly Windows machines to make their products.
3:45 as someone who kept under the radar at Google for 8 years making $400k without doing ANY work or developing ANY skills, can confirm
I'm writing a chat application in Delphi 1 for Windows 3.11 using Winsocks for fun.
Dealing with the beginning and end of the messages is a bit of a pain. The way it does it is by having some bytes that indicate the end of the message.
But then you have to iterate through the bytes and accumulate them until you reach the marker.
All of that in a language that lacks many of the niceties modern languages have.
We have it so easy now. It's crazy.
Wonder if people have tried to make a Linux OS that corporate IT divisions can set up to create workstations that only have the features needed by the workers? It would make setting and managing user permissions easier by restricting installs and a couple other features instead disabling every feature in windows or mac.
Linux often requires significant configuration and troubleshooting. Some people do not possess the time or inclination to engage in either
Same can be said for Windows, in fact even more nowadays, since Microsoft craves *that much more* control, and of course the "beautiful" use of "A.I" in "every" goddamn aspect of their unattractive pile of "no thank you, please just stay away from me"-operating system.
@@iamyourgreatgreatgreatgrea6291 I disagree, about half a year ago we bought a new Win11 laptop for my dad who is a super-casual user and he was able to set up everything easily alone with no problems or confusion and he hasn't asked me a single time about anything "not working" or "it doing weird things" since.
Because partitioning a drive is scary
Can you explain what that means?
Pull the harddisk out of your computer, grab a Saw, cut it in 2 and put it back in the computer. Now you have 2 disks partitions 😅
That's how I think about it when I fsdisk or gparted my disks.
Just buy a new one and use default settings for it during installer(and dont mix up drives lol)
Last time I had to repartition something was this week: I installed linux on orange pi. Image file uses ~1GB size, my SD card is 4GB, learned of parted, as it looked simpler than fdisk. For normal PC - I didn't use partition editor
@@RustIsWinninghow do you know about rust but not partitioning hard drives?
@@mangocane8977 I dont understand what is so scary about it. Maybe I have not done it enough.
Windows has lots of built in integration to their other systems, so outside of specialized software / container apps I rarely see Linux actually used in production for most systems. Also rewriting/architecting anything running on Windows rarely actually saves cost via better performance against the cost of a migration project.
I love how many of good advice this video has per minute. Good stuff mate.
Whatever conceptual level you need to operate in to get your work done, you should always strive to have one layer deeper of understanding if for no other benefit than making your own life easier when something goes wrong. This is true for everything in tech. This is also true for everything not in tech. You will not have the hours in a day to do this for everything, so the trick becomes knowing which things you need to prioritize and which things you can shelve until later for this knowing.
The answer to why people don't use Liunx has always been "lack of hardware support and lack of software support".
For hardware, if you're using niche peripherals or the newest stuff (or nvidia graphics cards, though it is getting better), it is more likely going to work on the most popular OS.
For software, people don't want to look for alternatives, they want what is recommended by their peers. Or it's gaming and people want to play the games that don't work well on Linux.
The people who do switch to using Linux generally don't' have either of the above issues.
New hardware works on newer kernel versions, which is why I’d always recommend the testing/semi-unstable branch for any distro. Gaming works fine, except from the slight overhead from WINE.
I just explained to people few days ago how data is transported and why timeout could happen on the TCP level .
So I am pretty sure many people don’t know how data is sent ….
it is sending small indexed packets, than it is compiled to a file on recieving side, right?
@@qwerte6948 basically, yeah
@@qwerte6948 For learning in details, buy "TCP/IP illustrated." It's three books, totalling around 2500 pages. It's soo good. Even though outdated, as author is not alive anymore, though I think later other people edited the work to continue it. Fortunately TCP is not linux distro and changes rarely.
(Also book uses 4.4BSD-Lite)
Nice theory - unfortunately, as a AAA game dev, there is NOT ONE game dev SDK/GDK that runs under linux for consoles. So... sometimes it's not a matter of choice.
so the 5 game devs working on console games can't use linux big deal, this is talking about general desktop users
the game dev scene in general needs to move away from this dumb shit like dx and microsoft cocks up their ass all day, and they are
linux gaming is getting infinitely better every year, and people who were stopped from moving to linux because their games are only running on windows have decreased, and will only decrease. Eventually every developer will be using platform independent solutions and people will switch to linux just on the virtue that windows is complete dogshit
the only hold that windows has over linux is that the linux userbase is small comparably (5% to 70%), and that developers have less incentive to build applications for it. Linux's desktop environments and experience is infinitely better and everyone knows this
AAA games quality today actually suck a lot while they are like made running on consoles and then there is some half-assed port to Windows, and Linux runs on some emulator layer.
For me this tells that game developers have serious skill issues to develop their product portability on mind.
@@kerch00 There are literally tens of thousands of game devs that work on consoles you muppet. But then extrapolate that out to all the other industries in which the best software for the job is only available on Mac or Windows. It's not insignificant.
I hate to break it to you - but Linux is not a great platform for game development. Too many distro's with their own way of doing things. Support for graphics API's is average at best.
And the user base is so small it doesn't justify the additional support costs.
And none of the consoles share a graphics API, so this idea of going after DX is a bit misguided. The only console that supports Vulkan is the Switch, and it's a crap implementation - so you really have to use their API.
So you have DX, Sony's proprietary API, and Switches proprietary API. So the idea that "dropping that DX" stuff is going to somehow help is a lack of understanding of the issues. And.. the sad thing is... DirectX is one of the best 3D API's there is.
You gotta remember - Vulkan is ONLY a graphics API - DirectX supports input, audio, graphics. It's a much more comprehensive API - that's one of the reasons why it's so widely used.
@@gruntaxeman3740 oh shut up. Serious skill issues? Are you for real? The fact the games run natively on Windows / Xbox / PS / Switch is non trivial in itself. When you build a console game, you are already supporting a mix of CPU architectures, at least three or four completely different graphics API's and platform SDK's.
They are in fact CROSS PLATFORM. Practically all games are written on Windows FIRST and then ported to the other platforms as we go - because guess what. Windows is where the development platforms run. The games are literally written with cross platform compatibility in mind.
The reason it doesn't run on Linux natively isn't because we can't do it - it's because it already takes around 2000-5000 man years depending on the game just to make the average AAA game. It just doesn't make financial sense to add a few decades of labor just to support a platform like Linux that has such a small user base - especially when that platform is usually responsible for more support issues than all other platforms combined.
It's too fractured as a platform to warrant it. Seriously - be happy with the emulation - that's the best you'll get on Linux for the foreseeable future - not because of game devs, but because every damn distro has to do things their own way.
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"I hate to break it to you - but Linux is not a great platform for game development. Too many distro's with their own way of doing things."
When game is distributed from Steam, you don't need to care of that. Just build against Steam runtime libraries.
"Support for graphics API's is average at best."
Vulkan, OpenGL, OpenGL ES.
All of those native APIs requires abstraction layer and place of that is in game engine. Not checked current situation but it is very likely that AAA games actually have worse portability than some indie games, because AAA games often use in house engines that can be more dunghill experience than using ready engines.
But as gamer, and developer perspective this is very clear. I expect game run natively on Linux and there isn't much of excuses while there are ready export profiles on ready game engines so it should not require that much effort.
Web development analogy is that does your website work on every browser there is, or does it need some shitty ActiveX/Java applet/Flash turd.
TCP does not guarantee order per se as it doesnt guarantee the order of arrival of packets in the other end, some packets might arrive sooner say P1, P2 and P3 represent the string and due to network conditions P3 might arrive first. What happens is that the packets are annotated with a number (sequence number) and then they are assmebled on the other end in the correect order. TCP packets can be transmitted in order, but we cannot guarantee they will arrive in the same order, thats why TCP exists and builds on top if IP.
I think its important to clear that up as we have no control over the network conditions and the order in which packets arrive so saying TCP guarantees order, while true in the end, in reality it guarantess that the packets will be assembled in the correct order only. Not saying you are wrong, just expanding slightly with more context :)
Edit: also to clear something up - packets traveling through a TCP connection CAN be lost or dropped due to network partition but because we know what packet we are expecting next, the missing packet can be requested again
I’ve tried using Linux twice. It works well and if I just used my pc for the internet and office work I probably would’ve deleted my windows partition, but I don’t. If you want to do something as simple as getting a video game working it can take over an hour of troubleshooting. I tried reinstalling my amd gpu drivers and ended up losing display output. I’ve started sim racing, and because I’m cheap I’ve bought my stuff mostly from lesser known brands and some stuff essentially from aliexpress. There are not going to be any tutorials for that. I don’t mind doing a *bit* of troubleshooting, but I’m also a pretty busy college student and I don’t want to spend hours of my somewhat limited free time troubleshooting to get simple things working. Many guides are good, but there are many that aren’t, and a lot of the time if you’re doing something even slightly obscure you end up following some instructions you found in a Reddit thread that assumes you have a base knowledge that you don’t have. I still have my Linux partition, and I occasionally use it, but using it can be fucking exhausting.
I love Linux but only as a developer.
Unfortunately for a lot of people, Linux is just too much hassle.
- Drivers are a pain
- A lot of software isn't supported
- The community is awful.
- Non technical people don't want to use the terminal
The only way that Linux will become mainstream is if Microsoft monumentally screw up and it forces a mass migration of users which will then force companies to develop their products for Linux.
I think it's actually the opposite now regarding drivers (the exception being getting hardware at release day).
Currently I'm testing Fedora on my main machine and everything works perfectly out of the box! It's like drivers? what drivers, everything is built in!
microsoft did just monumentally screw up
What are you talking about? Family most common software comes in Snaps, Apps, and or packages, You can name it, we even have Steam...come on it's not that hard.
Linux systems have a gui, you don’t have to use terminal.
This reads like last time you used Linux was 15 years ago. There was the time where you had to often manual edit xorg.conf, install video drivers from terminal, tune the audio setiings and so on. These days for a standard PC build everything works out of the box, drivers are supplied with the kernel and the default install. You have GUI system settings and package managers. You have forums and wikis, you don't need to crawl obsure IRC servers where the nerds will make fun you your noobness.
My programmer brother forced me on it. I don't want to go back.
years without windows now. i dont miss it at all. i been on linux sense 98 redhat 6 off and on and dual booting etc. but windows 11 was i finnly had enough and everything was dedcated linux.
2 years, never looking back (except for cd/dvd burning)
@@xanderplayz3446 k3b and Brasero burn them dvds lol. if you mean video disk both DevedeNG and dvdstyler have linux version.
There is a very simple and evident answer to this question. Why don't more people use Linux? Because Microsoft arranged with OEM's that 100.0% of their PC's got shipped with Windows. The last few years OEM's started to offer PC's with Linux too, some (the better ones) give a discount, they deduct whatever they pay for the Windows-license, as it should. Historically speaking the OEM's shipped 100.0% of their PC's with Windows and MS forced them to do that with an all or nothing rebate, which is illegal. Intel used the same strategy for both OEM's and shops and they got a 1 billion € fine for it from the European Union. Most PC-users are not sophisticated with software, they will use whatever gets shipped with their PC, just like how most of them kept using Internet Explorer when Firefox was a much better browser, also to a lesser extend because websitedevelopers using Microsoft its proprietary ActiveX broke some websites.
Yup, here most laptops get shipped with either no OS or a barebones Linux distro by default. If you want Windows preinstalled with a license it's a separate checkout option.
@@theairaccumulator7144 Awesome! I imagine that installing Windows also costs considerably more time considering the need to babysit it. Unless you do it once and then just clone the SSD for many other systems and that way speed up the process. The install process takes longer but worst are all those updates for hours, installing the drivers, rebooting many times...
No, it's because Windows is much easier and more intuitive for the average person. It is WHY most computers ship with it.
@@DM-rc4yu No, in my opinion you reverse cause and consequence. They just shipped with Windows because people got used to MS-DOS, there was no Linux back then. So people knew it and MS gave a discount under the strict condition that 100.0% of the sold PC's would get Windows on it. Same for MS Office, it is kind of a solid product but the single reason why so many people use it is because MS made it cheap for schools and students to have it on their systems, that way that is the software which they know so people keep using it.
Only people who never used Linux can claim that using Windows is easier, it simply is not true. But it can be easier for somebody to keep using Windows if they have used that for 30 years while they have 0 experience with Linux. Linux has the same GUI's as Windows, it is a fact that it is much easier to manage software on Linux than on Windows as long as that software is in the repositories. A one click install vs hunting down an installer from a website and then having to run it and going through multiple GUI-screens...
I haven't switched full time to Ubuntu at this point simply because I cannot play ALL the games I own on it. Some games have terrible anti-cheats implemented that don't have Linux support. Unfortunately, majority of the games I currently play fall into this category. However, that is the ONLY thing preventing me from daily driving linux. But I am hopeful that this will change in the near future as Valve has been steadily improving this sector with their SteamOS.
ultimately, it's also up to these game companies to re-think their approach to anti-cheats, if their code wishes to have kernel-level access to my system, i'd be really paranoid about the operations being performed there, particularly as all of these anti-cheats are closed source and proprietary
however indeed some of these anti-cheats, the less invasive ones notably such as EAC, are now compatible with GNU/Linux, and on top of this gaming under wine/steam proton is in a much better state for sure, the steam deck has definitely shown a much broader audience that windows is no longer the exclusive operating system that is reliable for gaming
The problem for normal people is that, device drivers and software for new devices usually don't have a Linux version. You can solve this with multiple computers or a hypervisor, but most people don't do that.
In construction, having to rely on hand tools and skill was a great filter mechanism. With the power tools today it’s a lot easier for individuals with less aptitude to get by. Probably the same in software.
I don't think that more people need to use Linux. I think in many ways trying to "mainstream" Linux will be a deteriment to the ecosystem. I don't think it should be intentionally difficult, but the barrier of "You must be willing to learn" is a good one. It means you CAN learn. If your using linux with a GUI frontend for your package manager, and have little to no idea how the system actually works, why? Just go back to windows/mac. If your not gonna utilize the tool, why take on the added work of maintaining it.
@jimboakimbo-y4r linux is targetted just as much as windows, i mean every server runs on linux the amount of debian targetted malware out there is insane
@jimboakimbo-y4r maybe but this is just a rule of the internet honestly, it's hard to say that these don't target linux because it's more secure, since most people who use linux are infinitely more knowledgeable about internet security than the average windows user
GUI frontends are nice for Flatpaks and their Java-style package names which are hard to guess.
I do not use Linux on my desktop/laptop because I do not want to worry whether any recent update broke my Pulse audio setup, or whether my bluetooth headphones still work whenever I dial in on a call (I might have some bias/trauma as a long term Arch user).
the problem, you wrote there, was arch, not linux
stable releases do not break like that, and there are rolling release distros that do not break like that, the linux distro you choose does matter
@@betag24cn Still sometimes there are problems with hibernation/suspend on any hardware other than Intel with integrated GPU. In general I would not trust a suspended Linux laptop in my backpack that it will not wake up and burn itself to death. Things like browsers seems less optimized for linux making battery life worse.
Some time ago because of a virtualization used by project I worked on I had to move away from Mac to Windows. I have no shame, I have nothing to prove, I have all linux tools I need on WSL2 and it is fine. Maybe I do not have ability to start services through systemd (it can be done, lets ignore it), but why would I want to start e.g. a DB directly on my user environment instead of a Docker?
I keep my gpg, and ssl keys configured on WSL2 linux as I would do on linux natively.
IDEs are handled by Windows window manager but their backend works on WSL2. Linux apps with GUI can be started as well, but I do not really need it.
What is nice about WSL2 setup is that it allows to limit memory and CPUs I want to dedicate to my development environment, so e.g. I have a browser with a live call in a background, and it works fine even if rust-analyzer decides to eat every computing resources it can.
Pulseaudio was a huge mess hated by everyone. Pipewire is the linux standard now and for me it always worked flawlessly. Also yeah, if you're buying hardware that was meant for Windows only, ofc you might have issues on the OS it wasn't designed for
Only people who understand arch using arch lmao. non power user should avoid arch immediately
also pipewire>pulse audio
I was training my nephews (18 /15) on how to program and the first thing I showed them was how to use github to backup their code. The hardest part for them was understanding how to navigate the directory...
I had some guy in my computer science class that had no idea what a file explorer is and what the hell it was made for.
That’s infuriating, to someone who understood the concept of files and folders at 8.
I tried very hard for weeks to make Linux work for me, tried several distributions. Ultimately I couldn't bc many steam games, especially indie ones, run absolutely terribly on Proton. Additionally, if you do audio production, many audio interface manufacturers simply do not provide the required drivers to Linux users (like Universal Audio). That was the final brick wall that made me turn around back to my Windows install.
windows: absolutely everything is a click a download button, double click the downloaded file, use it.
linux: google how to install a software. use curl, you don't have curl? install curl first with xxx commands? add XXX to repo??? execute the command your were first given, you accidentally deleted a letter but instalation procceeds, install something else, try to uninstall that, you end up removing something important, linux won't boot anymore.
windows crashes* some shit broke? *auto repairs
linux crashes* some shit broke? sell your soul to satan to find out how to fix it. waste 2 days trying to fix that shit, end up formatting.
Linux is greatest to serve services and that's it. For regular use is the shittiest OS ever.
So, why don't more people use Linux? The article was blah, blah and no answer. Linux is for programmers. Most people are not programmers. Ergo they don't use Linux. Is that the gist of it?
They basically say because it’s hard… to me is not hard I use all OS, Linux since 25 years ago, I also used Unix and Solaris.
> The article was blah, blah and no answer.
Pretty much every DHH articles are like that
DT isn't a programmer... he is a youtuber, stock trader and has a degree in music...
many programmers i know don't use linux,
many non programmers actually does (my mom who liked the interface better, neibors who are math teacher cuz few math tools works only in linux, many friends who got provided with free laptop from gov which has a gov distro, but also those systems are laggy in windows)
if fact,many of those friends don't know what a folder/dir is
if caviar is so good why dont more people use it?
Because not we are not peasants. We savor the intricate delecacies and flavors of unstable linux distros.
Honestly, as a dev, I just use WSL, and even that is mostly limited to SSH and Docker.
Linux is only free if your time is worth nothing
And that makes no sense whatsoever, simply lovely.
Lol.
You can learn all of this in Windows too. It just has some extra layers. You just have to choose to learn, which is the hard part. At one point I decoded the various OS/Hypervisor layers to map WIndows application memory addresses to actual physical addresses in order to test a PCI Express sniffer board that could detect virus signatures outside of the main operating system. You can do anything if you take the time to learn how things actually work. A more recent example, I blew all of my colleagues minds when I started to talk about the FPU. They had no idea it even existed.
I actually use Linux all the time on my servers and VPS, so it's not that I'm afraid of trying something new or don't understand it. But for my personal machine, I stick with Windows/macOS because I need solid support for gaming, video editing, and audio production. Linux just doesn’t cut it for those needs, even though it’s great for development.
It is not just servers, Android is also very much used. Linux is very widely used and that just not require to put some "Linux" sticker visible that TV is using Linux.
Also you are very right about that deployment. It makes developer life comfy when system on client side is similar like it is on servers.
if you from india hehe
It's funny seeing people in the comments desperately trying to make it out like Linux isn't more difficult for the average user than Windows is. Which is most definitely true and always has been. No, your grandma using a web browser on a Linux machine you set up for her is not proof of anything.
People have to be aware of something: Elon's (correct) statement about servers and Linux is nearly the only relevant thing Elon actually knows about tech.
yeah right - i mean what did Elon do anyways besides from creating napster, a new car company and a new space company from scratch. Yeah im pretty sure, that´s all he knows about "tech". LOL!!!
@@triash He also created the internet and water and sunlight!
@@youtub-fj8mu and last but not least: he is your daddy
At around 5:22 you mention not setting you mum up on Linux, well I set my mum up to use Linux, she is not a digital native by any means but wanted to make pictures and edit video so I put Ubuntu Studio on her laptop, she loves it. She used to have trouble with the popups on windows 10, she would be scared they were errors then frustrated when she realised it was an advert and she was not even on a browser. She actually finds her new OS easier so i can say with confidence at least in the case of KDE plasma, Linux desktops are now mum friendly.
I don't understand all the audio/video/similar problems on linux, all the various installations on different PCs/laptops I did throughout the years have been smooth af
Installed Linux mint for my 84y old dad. Printer just works. No need for my it support anymore. Best thing I've ever done. Some distros just works.
I did install Linux on my mom's laptop, though. "What is this? It's all completely different!" - "No mom. You turn it on, type in your password, click on the Firefox icon and just browse, click update when it prompts you to. It's all the same." And that's it.
Until she wants to print something, that is.
Printing works? What's wrong?
@@bhargavjitbhuyan9394 errr... Sometimes?
@@black-snow ?
What?!
Do people still have printers?? I gave up mine years ago. On the rare occasions I need to print something, there'a a place near here and I send the file via Whatsapp and they print it for me (I pay for it of course).
@@renatoscutube yeah cuz no such place nearby plus remote work :/
In a word: "GAMING." Linux just isn't on par with Windows... YET.
It’s getting close tho
I already switched a while ago.
The only games that don’t really work are new shitty live service games that I don’t care about.
The only issue I have with Linux is lack of Dolby Atmos and Dolby Vision (HDR) support. I miss that from Windows.
Mom's 79. Her computer is a little box with a Ryzen 5 running Lubuntu. She does her own software updates. I can't remember the last time she needed my technical support. It's great.
Relatives with Windows or Mac don't get my support time. Life's too short.
Not since Windows 3.1 have I HAD to use the DOS prompt. We have had a GUI interface for 40 years, but Linux REQUIRES the use of the terminal. Every help forum or website for Linux everywhere will require the terminal. Once Linux programmers start to design around a GUI, they will get more market share.