pretty sure if he was just patient enough they would figure out how to get to that screw. although it is unacceptable that manufacturers hide places you need to reach for disassembly, it's also done for aesthetics of the chassis, and that's also catering to casual users who care about the 'clean look'.
tbf to them they said 2022 for the repairability and this product was designed way before the announcement of the right to repair support thing. and also this laptop is supposed to look minimalist and most of the people who are into devices like these shop in that price range too. but they still shouldn't have made it in such a way that it'd break after taking it apart. it could've been the new test laptop for sound quality over on shortcircuit
@@kaneki1056 Thing is, the fact that you can't open it without looking for hidden screws means you can't even open it to clean it. That's a huge factor for durability of a laptop.
@@clnetrooper fair enough, but then again the people who are into this segment of products probably don't bother to do any kind of cleaning work on it themselves unless they're a tech nerd like some of us. the buyers for it probably get it serviced or some shit if it slows down and won't be worried about having to pay to get it checked or something. although i do think that they could've hidden the screws in such a way that it's easy to access and remove them without fucking other stuff up. they're a huge company and i'm sure they could've figured it out
The two hidden screws on the sides of the laptop are just evil. Do you expect screws under the rubber feat, yes? Do you expect there to be a screw under an obvious sticker? yes. Do you expect there to be a veneer style sticker the same colour as the device, along the entire side, just to hide a screw? No. Never. Its sole function is blatantly just to hide two screws in a way nobody would expect. Also, having the battery's glued to the bottom plate seems to ensure there is another point of failure if you open it up... it would have made zero difference if it was attached to the frame instead.
The sticker isn't to hide the screws, it's for the pen wireless charging which can't be done through metal. So... Hiding the screws is just a convenience.
Wait until you hear that Dell hides screws under the keyboard. I have a Dell Inpiron 3000 and disassembling it was a pain the butt. I wouldn't know that you'd also need to remove the keyboard and unscrew some couple screws in there for the back cover to come off. 🥴
Now that the screw locations are known, why not remove the sticker hiding the 2 side screws and remove the screws so that furure servicing would be more straightforward?
Manufacturers be like: "With today's compact high performance electronics it's impossible to make them without hiding screws under stickers to prevent them from being user serviceable."
Hiding screws under stickers doesn't prevent it from being user serviceable. However it does prevent consumers from retain the same levels of fit and finish after servicing. I visited the local Best Buy and took a look at the SLS unit on display there. The "stair tread" is one continuous piece around the unit, with no apparent seam around the pen charging area. If that doesn't give away the fact that it's plastic I don't know what does. The tread cover piece has a different feel to the touch than rest of the chassis as well. To be fair to Linus, he was going in blind, and the Microsoft rep he was in contact with fed him bad information. Had he investigated further he could've figured it out, but production schedule and all that. I don't think there's anything awfully wrong with the path of entry into the SLS. The modularity deserves some criticism, but it's not materially different than the Flow X13 I'm using right now (only the NGFF SSD is replaceable). The battery is glued, which again deserves some criticism, but at least this time it's glued to the back lid and not the keyboard deck. In this case, Microsoft's big mistake is not publishing the service manual. Had they done that, I would call SLS' serviceability below average but acceptable.
I remember a keynote from Microsoft, though I can't remember what year it was, where Satya Nadella opened up a Surface (Book? Pro? Iunno) (although he noted that the screws had bee pre-removed) to show that you could get in fairly easily if you needed to. They obviously didn't say it was a jab at Apple (who had recently made their machines even less serviceable), but it very much felt like that at the time.
@@luiz00estilo those sex channel bots have been overrunning yt comment sections like a plague for a few weeks now. Real bloody annoying when roughly 85% of my comment notifications are from bots!
@@recklesflam1ngo968 What I found specially weird is that the comment was very coherent, something like "Linus looking great on this LTT store shirt". Perhaps they have some canned comments programmed in for big channels.
every time i try to pull something apart and get frustrated by hidden screws, i'll just think of this video and i'll feel better that i'm not alone. Thank you Linus
i had an old lenovo laptop that I almost broke back in the day because for some inexplicable reason there was a screw under the keyboard (???) that you had to pop out and unscrew first before you could remove the back plastic panel. makes NO sense and i would have broken it for sure if not for youtube tutorials
Hardware Enthusiast and MSP Tech here, can confirm it's a pain working on certain laptops because of hidden screws, needing to remove the keyboard, plastic clips that break even if using proper tools, hidden ribbon cables, soldered components, you name it. Point is, it's my literal job and my specialization to take these things apart and even I get frustrated with these sorts of things. I really hope companies like Framework give the industry a proper kick in the pants. HP and Lenovo... I'm looking at you, get your act together!
God that's a mood. I sell old laptops for a living and sometimes I just get sick of a convoluted disassembly process and decide the hit to value is worth not taking an eternity to get the hard drive out and go full caveman.
@@Samosayummyyay Yeah my old dell inspiron had some screws that I had to first pop out the keyboard to access them to too but that meant a way easy to replace keyboard lol (harder than "replacing" a dedicated usb keyboard but still easy with some cheap plastic tools).
Microsoft: "Oh yeah, we'll get a 3rd party to investigate our device's ability to be repaired" What's probably gonna happen, is that 3rd party will be asked to investigate the repairability of OTHER "unrepairable" devices like macs, come away with the conclusion that "We're no worse than our competitors" and hope that sweeps it under the rug
the recycled mouse thing seems almost pointless when you take into consideration how unrepairable their devices are. maybe they get 1 point for the surface pro 8 having an upgradeable ssd, but mostly they are nudging people to upgrade to new devices every few years, which means you are selling off your old device and eventually someone will have no more use for it and it will be dumped or if youre lucky then maybe recycled. theres too much focus on recycling anyway. they should be working on ways to help you keep the same device for years on end while swapping out parts. recycling bits of ocean plastic? bitch please
@@fjjwfp7819 a not glued chassis and a removable ssd is literally STANDARD Lmao plus the hidden screws under camouflaged plastic stickers and the screws under the removable(but clearly made so if you remove them you can't put them back) rubber feet is very anti-right to repair hiding basic (should be easily accessible) aspects of a device for maintenance
@@mura_saki To add on that, dust cleaning and TP swap. Look at the mainboard design. IF you want to change the TP and clean the dust out of the device, you need to remove the mainboard. Just... WHYYY?
When was MS's statement about Right to Repair, also that means they provide the info and parts to repair. Also when was the laptop designed, most likely before the MS statement. Right to Repair doesn't mean it's EASY to take apart. Even Louis said that, once or twice.
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The irony that this device is actually "relatively repairable" by Surface standards. My Surface 3 is basically e-waste when its RAM, battery, and SSD aren't enough anymore. Both are soldered on, and getting into this thing is a NIGHTMARE.
exactly, my sp3 works relatively well till it isn't. now it just sits under my tv as an entertainment set. barely able to do anything other than light browsing and movies. battery is worse too
Yeah, I got a used Surface Pro 3, because it seemed so cool. And yes, Microsoft outdid Apple three ways: 1. It's better than an iPad; 2. It's more expensive than an iPad; 3. It's harder to repair than an iPad.
@@mikairu2944 I bought a Surface Pro 3 used at a good price, thinking I could replace the battery if it needed it. Only then I discovered that replacing the battery is like open heart surgery, and the most professional sounding outfit who gave me a quote said they only gave themselves a 50% chance of opening it up without cracking the screen. It's a great device--really, really good, and if you can get a good price which allows for the fact that you will not be able to replace the battery, I wouldn't want to persuade you against it. But you need to know about the unrepairability, first. Also, I thought I would run Linux on it, which kind of worked, but not perfectly, and I don't know enough to do all the tweaking that's needed to get it really smooth. Pity: Linux Mint on a Surface would be such a calm, convenient device to take with you everywhere. I think Microsoft offers an exchange scheme for Surfaces: unfortunately, that's no longer available for the Pro 3, but you might look into the costs of that and budget for it for when the battery life gets too low for you.
Got really annoyed that I took the time to learn how to switch the screen on my Surface Pro 4(which got the hardware failure that happens to pretty much all Surface Pro 4 screens), only for the battery to die two months later...
Well actually you are not really wrong there since designing a hardware takes months or even years. This Surface Laptop Studio is likely being developed for more than a years or two, considering they already released a patent way before this. So it means, this has been in the R&D for so long, and maybe why Surface Book 3 remained practically the same as the first Book since they are instead working on this one. We will see how much they will change on version two, I hope upgradability will be considering this time. Surface Laptop 2 can at least able to open from the top lid using magnets. Maybe they can do that with SLS.
100% that is a PR lie and they do not support right-to-repair. FFS, how many lies do these multi-billion/trillion dollar companies have to tell until you start to understand that they lie about almost literally everything?
Actually, Microsoft DOES NOT support right to repair... just a few of their shareholders do... so they are compromising and sharing schematics... It's a step the right direction... but it's not the final step...
I'm honestly fully on board with you breaking stuff more often to open it up and show what's inside. If it's not openable, it should be, and you deserve to show that
I don't think Surface laptops should ever be openable. PC should be, not Macs or Surface laptops. Nerds and geeks always want to open everything, get a life, nerds.
@@androwindo Yes, I think nobody should upgrade their RAM themselves but only via Microsoft support and if they can't do it or don't have that service, nobody should even try. If you can't buy the option with more RAM & SSD, you should not even contact anyone to do it for you. You buy the option you want to use and that's it. It's not a PC.
@@oM477o I don't care if I give more money to some company, lmao. I just order what I need and if I need more, I contact Microsoft and pay them. This computer is so cheap compared to my Surface Book 2 i7 which cost me 3500€ (or actually I bought it for 0.5 bitcoin), so I could easily buy more services from Microsoft. I'm not buying this laptop, though. I think Surface Pro 8 is better, I have waited ~1,5 years to buy it. Surface Pro 8 i7 + Samsung Galaxy S22 + Samsung Galaxy Watch 4. I want them, now. :) Windows 11 is perfect.
Those probably aren't phantom pixels. They're probably really there. It's just that there's a black border around the whole screen covering up those pixels. If you were to disassemble the display, I bet the panel itself is perfectly square but the top layer, glass or whatever it is, has a black edge all the way around it but it only covers pixels on the corners where it has to make that right angle turn but still be curved.
@@RandomUser2401 nobody said it was? The person said that they didn't like how it had round corners to try to copy Apple products, like his iPad. And this is clearly a competitor to the iPad pro since it's a 2 in 1... It's not just a laptop. FFS.
@@Fyre0 i've serviced my 2019 XPS 15 yesterday. Heck of a difference in terms of noise from the fans and (though untested) probably higher load performance. Even on non-upgradeable laptops, as long as they are using fans for cooling, the end user should have a way to clean or replace those!
@@felipeaugustobatista6444 I guess it all depends on what you need the laptop for. If a ten year old notebook still meets your needs, that's great! Chances are it still has at least some upgrade path (probably RAM and hard drive) at that age. My five year number was meant to be more of an average across the full range, from those who still get everything they need out of old hardware to those ultra power-users who need to upgrade every year. I tend to find myself somewhere in between, not needing the "latest and greatest" but still wanting to extend the machine's life with a few upgrades before shelling out for a whole new one
Linus takes one for the team: He sacrificed the removal of his SLS bottom cover to find the hidden screw, so we wouln't have to. Of course, that's if we even buy one.
I think that's why it has that "chunky" look, as Linus called it. The extra ledge around the base makes it so the speakers are firing down into the table and bouncing the sound back up to your ears. Without the ledge, it be resting on the speakers and they would just be covered. And the ledge makes the pen magnet holder spot work a lot better. And, from the perspective of the person using it, it gives the illusion that the whole thing is hovering slightly above the table it's on. I like it a lot. It's just too expensive for me so I'll never buy it.
Yeah the design is really nice but i don't see the screen mechanism as very useful and I've opened every single laptop I've ever owned 😂 so this isn't for me
Idk about the audio, lots of other reviews of the Laptop Studio i've seen so far including MKBHD agree the speakers sound pretty terrible. ruclips.net/video/vBnpGIZK9R0/видео.html
@@mini9503 the xps has shitty speakers. They use a buggy software to increase bass and highs, like a loudness effect. I think it was called "Waves Maxxaudio". If that software crashes you're stuck with the raw audio from the Chipset and that sounds real bad. I had the last Xps15 with standard usbA ports and these speakers were a disappointment. The software always crashed and distorted at high volumes. Macbooks are the real kings when it comes to built in speakers.
Yup, the older Surface Pro 7 tablet is like 10/10 unserviceable.. Heat gun needed to remove the glued on screen, integrated EVERYTHING. Glued in battery. If its broken, toss it.
They said they would start doing that in 2022, while I'm not excusing them, don't hold that against them, because they never claimed that for before 2022.
The hidden screws, and the fact you can't really upgrade it, has made this a product I wouldn't consider even if I had the money for it to be an option.
I’ve literally loved the idea of this laptop since I first saw it and have made a fool of myself defending it in a couple of comment sections already, but that simple fact has turned me away from it. This seems like an intentional way to ‘punish’ or trick people who try to upgrade/repair their own machine and make them destroy it. Reprehensible.
@@DocMoth 100% agree. If it's my money being spent, no way I'm spending it on something user hostile. If it's someone else's money? Just give me something that leaves me as the bottleneck for getting work done.
@@fjjwfp7819 Well, what if you needed to clean the dust out the laptop? its going to need a deep clean one day or another and i doubt many repair shops are going to have little trouble getting those feet and stickers again; once its open its not looking the same again irregardless of if you're linus or not
Damn. Louis was right when he said that Microsoft Surface was the worst piece of garbage to take apart and that you won't be able to disassemble it without totaling your device, hence he wouldn't repair Surface laptops. Only Microsoft things.
@MEDIA THING Our company have hundreds of Surface Pro 4's. And a common thing for those are that the battery expands and bends the screen. We had many many returned to Microsoft where we would pay almost full price for refurbished models that last no more than a year.
you can punch through the fascia and remove the screws. Or pry it off, afaik Microsoft has't uploaded the surface laptop studio service manual online. The fact that they didn't say that sucks. Also HP does this too. They have a small sticker that you have to punch through to get the small screw (and HP does sell a replacement). That being said, not being able to know that SUCKS. And them operating under the assumption that its only those 4 screws sucks even more.
@@LordZordid The firm that told me the bad news about replacing the battery on a Surface Pro 3 said they only had about a 50% success rate with opening them up without cracking the screen, except that if the battery had swollen, the success rate went up to 70%. So maybe the swollen battery isn't a bug, but a feature: self-disassembly when it's time for service.
I do IT for a school district, if framework was capable of taking PO's and delivering in a decent amount of time, I think I would take the added cost hit to use machines designed to be repaired.
Well said friend. Apple isn't on this level. They need to be innovative 💡 Apple getting old. I got rid of my macbook after a year because real businesses and real productivity comes only in windows. I finally got rid of my iPhone 2 years ago because samsung is creating foldable devices while Apple is reusing iPhone 4 designs to say that they have a new iPhone design
@@adrian8967 yes real laggy "productivity" on windows, no logic pro, no final cut, i love the bloatware that windows comes with, the large 40gb boot file while mac os is only 15gb. i love how lightroom and photoshop does not flow well in lightroom, rendering is a nightmare and airdropping photos from a pc to an iphone does not work.
@@Jasonzvo how is it laggy productivity? You've clearly not used Windows at all. Also, most business use Windows over Macs. Say what you want but Windows dominates the market. I'm sure one day you'll be using it at work.
@@adrian8967 I use both windows and Mac, I have 2 separate setups for each because as you know, Logic Pro and final cut does not run on windows, adobe suite is also more optimised for a Mac but I have my windows pc for blender which runs it really well. Both are very different and no, I will not be using a windows completely for work.
@@Praxss How? You can easily open and replace a battery in a MacBook. That in itself by modern standards is above average. You can’t give apple 0/10 when you’ve just witnessed the shambles that Microsoft produced in this very video 😂
It's great how repairability is now a standard thing to be considered, and that it's a real bummer if manufacturers do silly things against it nowadays.
Out of the 6 laptops I have had, I have taken them all apart just to look inside of them :D. Even helped my girlfriend replace the casting of her laptop after she was drinking to much and "dropped" it
@@amirpourghoureiyan1637 it’s funny you say that because during Steve Jobs everything on a MacBook was replaceable and the bottom only had 4 simple exposed screws to pull the whole bottom off to access the internals.
@@HeyItsHades There were plenty of Macbooks during his tenure and many of the were far from easy to take apart, I'm on about his original plan for the Macintosh where it's an appliance that consumers won't ever open up.
Clearly they learn from Apple in all the wrong ways. Hostile opening experience to make it likely to break parts and no replaceable RAM means this laptop is a joke. Glad to know it is designed to become a paperweight even sooner.
It's like recycling, but done counter-clockwise. We'll be able to recycle, reuse, but never actually reduce that oceanic plastic waste OVER AND OVER AGAIN.
IF that is RTR... Then I'm better without it. What is the problem with exposed screws? WTF Microsoft? Why fucking hide them under the feet and stickers? Do you understand what RTR is about???
@@sedixmrboss5625 unfortunately their just released devices are decidedly not rtr, but Microsoft has announced that going forward their devices will be much more rtr friendly as shareholders basically forced Microsoft to go that route
@@fjjwfp7819 Framework has exposed screws. MacBooks have exposed screws. Both look premium. One is RTR ready, the other... well let's not talk about that. And while hiding the screws makes the device look... better, it also means that IF something goes wrong or you want to upgrade, you will have to destroy the looks. I haven't seen a laptop where the rubber feet would just stick back on it after removing them, and my ThinkPad lost them without me even trying to remove em. Also the statements that Microsoft out out are contrary to one another. On the one hand, they are RTR friendly. On the other, "There are no user swappable parts", and "the harddrive should be replaced by an authorised Microsoft blablabla". That sounds more like Apple then like a RTR friendly company.
Hidden screws aside, having the battery on the base is pretty neat. If it had some sort of connector that immediately disconnects the battery so you can work on the laptop safely... That'd just be perfect. May be an idea for Framework laptops to implement in the future.
they want you to buy a new one once it collects enough dust to ruin its performance via planned obsolescence. ;D that or they dont think dust exists or can get into the laptop
I highly doubt the intent of the stickers is to maliciously deter people from opening it. It's almost definitely purely aesthetic to make it look "seamless" -- same reason the other screws are under the rubber feet as opposed to right next to them.
I get the joke, but mainframes are absolutely fragile. The real MVP nowadays are the Celeron equipped PCs that you see all over the developing countries.
@@gteixeira Ryzen 9 and 11th gen i9 *needs a large tower cooler or water cooling to even get close to their full potential.* Laptop Celeron *cooled by a single small bent piece of copper and the smallest fan in the world*
Honestly the only thing keeping me from upgrading to a framework laptop is the formfactor options. I need a stylus for my laptop and if framework could do an ok implementation of a convertable with a stylus then I'd be on their site to upgrade instantly.
"This is the new benchmark for how displays on Windows should work" Those rounded corners made this an instant nope for me. What on earth, lol. That's got to be so frustrating!
That's to match windows 11's rounded corners on windows. I actually think it's better bc it's a bit weird having a windows have rounded corners but then when you maximize it the corners are squares
@@tomebundalevski1872 I'm probably just overreacting thanks to their confusing tech spec on the subject and it's just the bezel design for ergonomic purposes while drawing on the screen. Still, my spidey senses are tingling about a big corp trickery. 🤣 We'll see with ifixit's guide. 🤞
Love how Linus ripped it apart to show how you can't rip it apart. I say keep it up. Keep emphasising how unacceptable it is to lock users out of their own products. Rip and tear. Until it is done.
@Evan Rodgers you are not wrong, but also not right. The correct statement would be he has a financial interest in frameworks because he believes in the right for repair.
At the very least, Microsoft won't brick your device if you don't use official hardware. Apple devices have hardware-level DRM which will prevent your OS from booting if you swap out a part for a 3rd party equivalent.
Ehh right. Try upgrading the ssd on a macbook. You can do it on here. Not to mention the surface pro x Pro 8 and pro 7+ has user upgradable ssd from one push of a button.
@@theobserver4214 What? Third party hardware can be amazing, especially four years into the future, when capacity and speeds improve. Hardware is always moving forwards, so it's very short-term thinking to just picture official hardware as best, and to think you will never want to upgrade a device, or that nobody else will be using your computer. That kind of thinking would just fill up E-waste irresponsibly, as well as keep older, used devices, in a much less usable condition for people who can't afford the newest things.
@@weeveferrelaine6973 Yeah, but not for phone screens or cameras. The majority of third repair parts are going to be used to cheap out, not make your device better.
It reminds me of my old Sony Vaio Flip 15. Loved that laptop back in the day. Almost identical screen functionality and design. Even has the same step in the chassis to make it look thinner.
@@fjjwfp7819 As the other guy said, where is your source for that? Nothing comes back from usual google searches you'd make to check so, are you expecting them to be updated on whatever obscure or small circle, page or reviewer you read/watched? Plus if you're going to use "people" I should expect you have several sources, right? Or perhaps, is it just another instance of "Such case is probably true so I can get away posting such a comment since people will agree it sounds plausible and it'll make me look smart and informed"?
What's even more sad is how by hiding that last screw Microsoft is clearly choosing form over function as with easily accessible screws at the very least it seems like the SSD would be fairly easy to replace/upgrade.
@@PAcifisti And you know damn well they won't touch it if you broke the back cover because they decided to hide screws. It's so anti-consumer, and for no good reason at all.
@@DankoleClouds Oh its not for "no good reason". It has a very good reason and it's perfectly legal & acceptable in our current system. It's what companies are supposed to do, get maximum amount of profits with minimum amount of effort. Which always means screwing over people working there and people buying stuff. When you don't repair it you'll be forced to buy a new one. A repair nets them far less money than a new sale.
its not even that - when was the last time you glanced at the *bottom* of your laptop and thought, "i can see the location of a couple of screws, that clearly decreases the value of my laptop" - bear in mid the complexity of hiding the side screws would add to the cost. (the rubber feed not so much ; its just screw, then glue)
@@charolin2891 the tank man protest at Tiananmen Square was a very brave protest against the brutality of the Chinese state, also the people of Taiwan deserve sovereignty, safety from China
Years ago a client upgraded his Surface Pro tablet to a newer model and gave us the old one to dispose of. Since this person was a C-level in a financial company, we had to take it apart to remove the drive and physically destroy it aka "disposing of data to military standards". Never again. Ever. That thing was about a million screws and everything was GLUED or soldered together. It was horrible. Bent the crap out of everything and basically destroyed it. The battery was swelling up as well before we even removed a single screw. Turns out their cooling design blew hot air OVER THE BATTERY ITSELF! The company swore that day to never, ever recommend another Microsoft Surface anything to another client again.
Most manufacturers show how to disassemble the laptop in the user manual, even two in ones. I suppose Microsoft’s intention here is to make the computer as least serviceable as possible to encourage people to replace their surface product instead of fixing their current computer.
Back in the day, Acer computers made the Aspire R7 laptop with a tie-in with the movie Star Trek Into Darkness. It had a screen with a middle swivel that allowed it to lift up, go into an easel mode, and flip around to allow viewing from the other direction. However, since it was an early Win8 touchscreen, they moved the keyboard to the bottom and the trackpad at the top. That way, when you brought the screen down, it hid the trackpad but left the keyboard free to use. It was a pretty cool machine all in all.
@@Kitarraman What's up with these pron bots?! Can't even have a convo in the youtube comments anymore.. Don't tell me a comapny as big as google can't do anything about obvious spam. But, hey you can watch 3 unskippable ads between them.
@@Cheesyxable I don't know man. I felt the urge of spamming the "Silence wench" and "begone thot" memes, but I feel they're gonna take over the YT comment sections regardless. And since they're bots, it wouldn't have been that funny either 😕
I just wish they made it a little beefier. It would be perfect for 3D modeling, it’s just down on power and overpriced with no ports and poor storage space. I can’t seem to find any powerful laptops with screens that I can sculpt and draw on.
The Asus Pro art the new one looks good but the pen input is through the touch pad rather than the screen. Though I know cad professionals who prefer their wacoms to not have screens so they can focus on the big screen without hands and pens in the way which ultimately is an evolution. It's probably a pretty good product for stuff like z brush etc
This laptop is turning out amazing for a programmer/casual user like me after a week of use: 1. 3:2 ratio is a godsend. 16:9 ratio laptos should not be a thing anymore unless all you do is play games and watch movies. 2. I play a few games which this laptop is handling really well. 3. The keyboard, touchpad and speakers are amazing! 4. This does not get loud at all which I love. 5. It gets slightly warm on heavy load but isnt a problem for me. 6. I really love that I can use it at 120hz and it doesnt kill battery as much as i expected. Its on par with 60hz for my usage. 7. The laptop feels premium with its finish. One of the best looking laptops. Negatives: 1. The screen is nice to use but you have to deal with reflection. 2. Its a little on the heavier side 3. I wish it had a USB A. Whatevers: The screen tilt. Its there is you wanna use it. I dont so I dont care about the hinge or modes or whatever but I like the option of having it. Also, get to learn the features of Windows 11, its pretty cool.
@@xmlthegreat whilst also retaining the ability to create proprietary add ons that will fill up landfill and be even more useless than an ancient full laptop. "Oh I've upgraded my framework to thunderbolt 4 and switched the hdmi module for the usb-c ports only." "Really!? What did you do with the old motherboard module and add ons?" "Oh I threw them in the bin". It's not a move to sustainability, in so much it's a way to commercialise whilst undermining the right to repair movement. Desired: I switched out my CPU for more performance Framework: I bought a new motherboard module from the manufacturer.
@@lmaoroflcopter You're completely missing the fact that because they are upgradable in the first place, changing those things means getting more use out of the more expensive parts. And you are also assuming people are going to just *throw away* perfectly good parts because they upgraded. If the motherboard dies and gets binned, that's one thing. It's better than the alternative of binning the whole laptop because one piece doesn't work. You're making a baseless assumption that people are going to use upgrade opportunities to be wasteful, which is frankly stupid.
@@lmaoroflcopter They actually aim to resolve that problem too. They really wouldn't care if you sold the stuff on eBay, but they are trying to build their own marketplace as well. also why would you throw away the HDMI port, when you can literally just put it back in whenever, with the laptop running? The card slots are just recessed Thunderbolt 4 ports, so all the add on cards are hot swappable. I get that people are dumb, but I don't think they're that dumb. I guess the motherboard situation is a fair complaint, but that issue is something they have no control over, seeing as all laptop CPUs are soldered these days. I'm guessing if they could do a socketed solution, they would have done that from the start. The real attraction there, for me, is burying a new board when I would normally replace the whole laptop anyway. That does pose a design constraint on newer motherboard options, though, since they would all need to fit into the same chassis and have the same 4 ports. I think that leaves Framework with a few options: 1. Long-term product support, where they support a product for at least 3-5 years with part updates. Then, they take what they've learned from the limitations of that product, and make a successor. 2. Long long-term support, where they support it for even longer. Has the drawback of potentially creating hard limitations down the line that they can't fix because they pledged product support for way longer than necessary. 3. short-term support measuring in 1-3 year intervals between a product and its direct successor. All of those options can be supplemented with a steady supply of repair parts for as long as people are using the laptop. Keep in mind a gaming laptop is not a successor to a thin and light ultra-portable model, it's a different product entirely. Speaking of which, I'd love to see Framework branch out a bit and maintain a product portfolio. I want to see them become a big name in the tech space, so long as they don't abandon their ideals.
The Surface history still hurts me to the core. THEY WERE AMAZING(!) first entries all around, from the desktop variant down to the smallest and Microsoft somehow managed to fuck it all up in such an astonishing fashion that I believe they just accidentally or purposefully either fired or didn't listen to the production and design team that was in charge of coming up with the whole Surface lineup. I'm honestly sad about this because the lineup had so much potential and supposed staying power, that you almost need to put effort into destroying that.
I really hope we see a SD card slot on the Surface Studio 2, and hopefully with a bigger screen. I don’t care much for the gpu, but it would be nice to have an option for Raptor Lake on the next one instead of Alder Lake.
I am investigating purchase of a new laptop. I find it interesting how many reviews highlight limitations of the Surface Studio while avoiding how these limitations can be easily overcome. One example is the restricted accessability of the keyboard with the screen in easel position. There is no mention that an on screen keyboard is instantly available as needed. There are other "issues" that are more about form than function. These "issues" are more about personnel preference than actual performance limitations. You have to question a reviewer's motivation when he starts ripping apart a laptop, he knows nothing about doing, as part of a review. My biggest reservation with the Studio laptop is accessory connectability. It gets expesive tapping into utilizing the full capability of this laptop. I'm hoping off brand accessory manufactures catch up.
The way the bezel is rounded on the inner diameter and cuts off some pixels in the corner seems extremely counter intuitive for a product that has "Studio" on it. TBH I don't know why anybody would want it like this, but if you're going to be making anything you don't want to have a spot you can't analyze?! :X
@@fjjwfp7819 exactly, people draw on the centre, and artist zoom in and out of the canvas all the time. it seems people think the whole screen is all the real estate people got to draw on XD
Perhaps you haven't used a Windows device in the last... I don't know... 26 years... But there is nothing important in the corners on a machine running Windows 95 or later. Don't get me wrong, I can't think of a good reason for rounding the corners, but your point is completely moot.
@@TheEvox81 It's not about what windows shows... It's a laptop for development, AKA you're going to be making stuff (Videos, Models, Textures)... It is 100% important for these things because you use the whole screen them in a lot of cases.
It's magnetic so it has some useful benefit. It's also kinda interesting to see Linus shift his opinion on it when a few years ago he said he'd be happy for the magnetic surface connect port to exist if they also included thunderbolt.
I could almost feel what he was feeling after breaking it. Like "I have to go on with the review but I don't really feel like it". Still a great video, Linus and team.
@@LeeKeels Chose? How was he supposed to know there was a screw there its a really dumb spot and as far as structure is concerned the screw has no purpose its literally just there to keep people from opening it
@@notthedroidsyourelookingfo4026 It is a bunch of buzz word crap too. Ocean plastic recycling is not feasible at all, I watched a video on it not long ago. It’s such an extensive and frankly expensive process that if things were truly made from 100% recycled ocean plastics, they would be ridiculously expensive. Edit : Here is the link to the video. ruclips.net/video/4o9-FkSHGWA/видео.html
The Mac actually has this same refresh rate vs mouse polling problem with their Magic Mouse. Ever since Mac OS Sierra, Apple introduced some kind of bug into the firmware of most Macs that cause any Magic Mouse paired with the computer to poll at 90Hz even if the display is only running at 60Hz. It results in a stuttery mess that Apple to this day has not fixed.
That display assembly would really benefit from not using magnets to hold it in place. Every time you try to change it, the screen gets bend awkwardly and worringly.
Loved my Sony Vaio Multi-Flip Laptop which had the same hinge for the display. They even share the silly screws-under-the-rubber-feet design... Unfortunately, I had to retire the device due to the aging CPU and low RAM capacity. Still sad about it 🤧
They literally glued a plastic layer that you will probably break or at least damage when taking it off to hide the screws, screw holes aren't even tat ugly, it will look worse if a user has to rip that plastic off to take it apart than if they just left the damn holes. It's clearly just an anti repair move, not even an aesthetics thing anymore, taking rubber feet off is one thing but having to unglue a whole layer to access the screws...
why do you take everything apart? What's in it. PCB chip battery. Anyway, you don't see any more of it. It does not show what kind of chip, not everyone knows, but the small 10x10 mm or 2x2.5 mm. (mosfet) so it was a shame to spoil it.
I winced at that entire mouse disappearing into the corner. Atrocious. Edit: yeah I know, this happens on your machine. But this is Microsoft's OS on a flagship Microsoft product, one aimed at a professional/creative market. On a Mac, no matter how much of the body of the mouse disappears, part of it always remains visible. This is just low effort.
Yeah, that's not a "finished product feature" I imagine there being actual screen behind that, and itcs blocked off by that round edge piece for "looks".
@@mini9503 no. It doesn't work in the left top corner. But in every other corner. But more important: Can we please talk about how the mouse doesn't completely hide at the right edge? A few pixels are always visible.
Right? I get the unique factor, and your paying a lot extra for the form factor really. But seriously, what is it with these $2K+ laptops that are just middling in the specs? I don't get it. All along, my biggest complaint about the Surface line was never with their package, but with the price being charged for it. Would I want a cool Windows tablet? Sure! So I want to pay $1K+ for a usable version of it? Yeah, no, I'll pass. Would I want a nice convertible that's a decent laptop and a decent tablet experience? Sure! Am I going to pay $2K+ for it? Hell no! It's like, I get, I see the potential. But for the price? I'm going to spend that money on more power, not for a fancy tablet.
@@andmicbro1 I am actually thinking of buying one, that thing is gonna game just fine for the most part and you should still own a desktop if you are so serious about performance. Fact of the matter is, you're paying for excellent industrial design, a brilliant screen and tons of other QoL features like the pen. You will NEVER see top of the line hardware in something like this, it's just physically impossible to make it work without running those parts much under their spec, I bought a 1050Ti, 7700HQ, 16GB ram, 512GB SSD run of the mill laptop back in 2017 and it still does fine, cost me around 1200 bucks. 2k for an RTX 3050 and a decent cpu, including tablet features, a pen and a good screen is just fantastic. In fact, comparing it to the XPS 15, the Surface Laptop Studio is a bargain
That was unfortunate lol. I'm not the sharpest tool in the shed, but swapping out the ssd wasn't too bad from my experience. I left a Slight blemish, but I'm certain on another attempt I could do it flawlessly.
I don't need a dedicated GPU for most of my work so I can look at the "cheaper" price. I like the Surface Laptop Studio a lot and I hope they redesign their Surface Laptop series too. The Surface connector is cool by the way because it is magnetic and gives you all the IO with the Surface Dock. The bad teardown experience is bad though.
@BearApps That's already bad enough. I rather see every screw to a bottom side that i never look at unless i need to open it but Microsoft's mind literally went full Apple.
@@TwinShards I think a repair shop would be able to open it up. But since CPU and RAM are soldered there is nothing to do but changing the battery after X years when it's broken anyway.
I'd honestly have to say for $2100 starting price, I'd rather have a Asus Zephorus or a MSI Stealth. Paying the premium for a surface just doesn't feel like value when for around the same price you get better performing parts. Even for the 2-1 factor a Dell XPS seems like better value for not much compromise.
Well yes but no. The Dell has touch but i dont like to have a keyboard behind the screen when i use the touch display, but rather than that small thing that just anoys me, dont forget that the Dell XPS doesnt support pen input. Thats one of the reason why this device is so expensive. Just look at Laptops with pen support and you will se that their price is a couple hundred bucks above the normal laptop because these displays are just more expenise (dont look at wacom and co because one of those displays costs a whole fortune). And microsoft put a lot of work into the pen as you can see in the video of Brad Colbow, who looks at the device from an artist perspectiv and normaly a good pen isnt bad for students either. So i personally think that reviews about such devices are only half fair and im sad that they didnt gave the device to someone who works with digital art to test that part out like they did with the surface studio.
These are different things, you just compare performance, and there are people who needs a tablet, artists working in game industry for instance, and painting directly on screen is a big thing, you can buy a separate WACOM toy but a top spec and size is also big cost and still you don't get the same as here. It is not for everyone for sure, if you just need a standard (fast or slow, doesn't matter) latpop then it makes no sens, true that.
@@feels3 not only that but the wacoms dont come with a built in (or attachable) keyboard, and they also break so much more commonly than youd think since the screens arent meant to handle that much temperature and pressure. im so getting one of these because im 100% sure it will push any art related workload i throw at it with no problems especially with that rtx card
Linus: "I have to be completely honest here. Since I have invested in the Framework laptop, I am now legally required to break any other company's product during a review. And now that that is out of the way..." [SMASH]
@@andrewh1113 Yep and it wasn't completely his fault since Alex was lied to about the 4 screw thing. Not really their fault considering lack of instructions since we can see Microsoft is very anti-right-to-repair with this thing. All good will went out the window and justifiably so.
I'm surprised Linus didn't talk about the battery life being actually far less than is reported. The biggest negative about the new Studio is the much smaller battery compared to the outgoing Surface Book 3. About the pen: you don't want a metal pen that "snaps" to the chassis. That would be scratch city. A cheaper pen would be nice though.
If it is in that particular position i think metal on metal would be fine, you could also put a thin layer of plastic or a sot of sticker to mitigate the scratch issue
At this price you can literally get a monster rtx 3080 laptop this is a huge ripoff it would be one thing if it was the old 1600$ price but 2100$ you’d have to be stupid to pay for that unless you absolutely need a 2 in 1
@@Ahfeku i definitely agree and you can get an ipad through financing at your carrier like a phone so its way nicer, i was just trying to show that you can get way more for your money at 2100$
Regarding the rounded corners at 2:11 No, windows is doing no special treatment, the pixels simply are there. The display is almost certainly folded over, a technology phones have used for a while that is most certainly replicated here. Otherwise mayn things would have to be changed for this display, as it wouldnt represent a rectangular picture anymore, which makes everything in the entire rendering stack very very hard for no good reason.
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You Sacrificed one surface laptop for the rest of the world to know where the hidden screw is. Thank you Linus!
@@techdictator9116 Good one? What is a "good one" about that? It's not a joke.
@@ToTheGAMES Ikr wtf
Word...
pretty sure if he was just patient enough they would figure out how to get to that screw. although it is unacceptable that manufacturers hide places you need to reach for disassembly, it's also done for aesthetics of the chassis, and that's also catering to casual users who care about the 'clean look'.
I would've run my fingernail along the underside till I felt a dip. Its worked in the past.
"My disappointment is immeasurable and my day is ruined."
Mine too, Linus. You broke it without dropping it.
I uploaded my Face Reveal....
39 likes in 3 minutes... how
3 hours now.... HOW TF IS IT 3197
The whole damn video he's just one handing it and tossing it around in his arms and such, I cant believe it wasnt a drop.
lmao
@@LightningSquad I felt that
Microsoft: *Starts a campaign to revamp its right to repair policies, thanks to investor demands.*
Surface Team: *Sweats Profusely*
tbf to them they said 2022 for the repairability and this product was designed way before the announcement of the right to repair support thing. and also this laptop is supposed to look minimalist and most of the people who are into devices like these shop in that price range too. but they still shouldn't have made it in such a way that it'd break after taking it apart. it could've been the new test laptop for sound quality over on shortcircuit
@@kaneki1056 Thing is, the fact that you can't open it without looking for hidden screws means you can't even open it to clean it. That's a huge factor for durability of a laptop.
@@clnetrooper fair enough, but then again the people who are into this segment of products probably don't bother to do any kind of cleaning work on it themselves unless they're a tech nerd like some of us. the buyers for it probably get it serviced or some shit if it slows down and won't be worried about having to pay to get it checked or something. although i do think that they could've hidden the screws in such a way that it's easy to access and remove them without fucking other stuff up. they're a huge company and i'm sure they could've figured it out
The heck are these replies?
@@Leonard.L.Church I've reported them :P
The two hidden screws on the sides of the laptop are just evil.
Do you expect screws under the rubber feat, yes?
Do you expect there to be a screw under an obvious sticker? yes.
Do you expect there to be a veneer style sticker the same colour as the device, along the entire side, just to hide a screw? No. Never.
Its sole function is blatantly just to hide two screws in a way nobody would expect. Also, having the battery's glued to the bottom plate seems to ensure there is another point of failure if you open it up... it would have made zero difference if it was attached to the frame instead.
The sticker isn't to hide the screws, it's for the pen wireless charging which can't be done through metal. So... Hiding the screws is just a convenience.
Also having the battery on the bottom plate makes replacing so much easier as you can work on it without fear of damaging the rest of the device.
Wait until you hear that Dell hides screws under the keyboard.
I have a Dell Inpiron 3000 and disassembling it was a pain the butt. I wouldn't know that you'd also need to remove the keyboard and unscrew some couple screws in there for the back cover to come off. 🥴
@@iamwisdomsky I have seen laptops with the keyboard fucking riveted and had to break it off
Now that the screw locations are known, why not remove the sticker hiding the 2 side screws and remove the screws so that furure servicing would be more straightforward?
Manufacturers be like: "With today's compact high performance electronics it's impossible to make them without hiding screws under stickers to prevent them from being user serviceable."
Framework:
_GET OUT OF MY WAY YOU PEASANTS_
"Our proprietary sticker technology allows for the thinnest possible laptop. "
Wouldn't it be thinner WITHOUT the anti-repair sticker?
@@goosebyte it's not even thin either
Fair phone :
*what?*
Hiding screws under stickers doesn't prevent it from being user serviceable. However it does prevent consumers from retain the same levels of fit and finish after servicing.
I visited the local Best Buy and took a look at the SLS unit on display there. The "stair tread" is one continuous piece around the unit, with no apparent seam around the pen charging area. If that doesn't give away the fact that it's plastic I don't know what does. The tread cover piece has a different feel to the touch than rest of the chassis as well.
To be fair to Linus, he was going in blind, and the Microsoft rep he was in contact with fed him bad information. Had he investigated further he could've figured it out, but production schedule and all that.
I don't think there's anything awfully wrong with the path of entry into the SLS. The modularity deserves some criticism, but it's not materially different than the Flow X13 I'm using right now (only the NGFF SSD is replaceable). The battery is glued, which again deserves some criticism, but at least this time it's glued to the back lid and not the keyboard deck.
In this case, Microsoft's big mistake is not publishing the service manual. Had they done that, I would call SLS' serviceability below average but acceptable.
"you'll have a website up in a matter of hours, maybe even less if your standards are as low as ours." Gotta love the sponsor spots on LTT vids.
@@pumpuppthevolume nah fuck that, Linus gives me free entertainment, I might as well watch the single ad that pops up.
I legit read this comment right as he said the ad in the video. Very strange feeling haha.
13:10 _“Here's an idea Microsoft, if the provided instructions are so important, why don't you provide it to everyone”_
Lmao, what a burn
I remember a keynote from Microsoft, though I can't remember what year it was, where Satya Nadella opened up a Surface (Book? Pro? Iunno) (although he noted that the screws had bee pre-removed) to show that you could get in fairly easily if you needed to. They obviously didn't say it was a jab at Apple (who had recently made their machines even less serviceable), but it very much felt like that at the time.
@Anne-[S]EX-Vlog Go to My Channel dude, this comment is completely coherent.
are you a bot or a person?
@@luiz00estilo those sex channel bots have been overrunning yt comment sections like a plague for a few weeks now. Real bloody annoying when roughly 85% of my comment notifications are from bots!
@@recklesflam1ngo968 What I found specially weird is that the comment was very coherent, something like "Linus looking great on this LTT store shirt".
Perhaps they have some canned comments programmed in for big channels.
@@luiz00estilo pretty sure they just copy other comments, usually the top liked ones.
12:06 Truman starting to realize he's in a TV show
lol
Haha that’s great. “This ones for free 😉”
shutdown mode
@@avexxed6624 thanks for being a fan, babe B)
every time i try to pull something apart and get frustrated by hidden screws, i'll just think of this video and i'll feel better that i'm not alone. Thank you Linus
i had an old lenovo laptop that I almost broke back in the day because for some inexplicable reason there was a screw under the keyboard (???) that you had to pop out and unscrew first before you could remove the back plastic panel. makes NO sense and i would have broken it for sure if not for youtube tutorials
@@kartiiik That's very common among older laptops! Usually used to hold the optical drive and/or hdd-bay.
Hardware Enthusiast and MSP Tech here, can confirm it's a pain working on certain laptops because of hidden screws, needing to remove the keyboard, plastic clips that break even if using proper tools, hidden ribbon cables, soldered components, you name it. Point is, it's my literal job and my specialization to take these things apart and even I get frustrated with these sorts of things. I really hope companies like Framework give the industry a proper kick in the pants. HP and Lenovo... I'm looking at you, get your act together!
God that's a mood. I sell old laptops for a living and sometimes I just get sick of a convoluted disassembly process and decide the hit to value is worth not taking an eternity to get the hard drive out and go full caveman.
@@Samosayummyyay Yeah my old dell inspiron had some screws that I had to first pop out the keyboard to access them to too but that meant a way easy to replace keyboard lol (harder than "replacing" a dedicated usb keyboard but still easy with some cheap plastic tools).
The good old Linus, breaks everything
If he isn’t dropping it, he’s straight-up breaking it.
It wasn't dropped though, sadly lol
He broke it harder than saber breaking the holy grail
@@EghosaUgbo 💀
the amount of p### bots in here
Microsoft: "Oh yeah, we'll get a 3rd party to investigate our device's ability to be repaired"
What's probably gonna happen, is that 3rd party will be asked to investigate the repairability of OTHER "unrepairable" devices like macs, come away with the conclusion that "We're no worse than our competitors" and hope that sweeps it under the rug
Something something ten times more repairable than the m1 MacBook Pro
@@Sparkiebc they are both shit
right to repair movement is all about having part available for repair, it's all about computer shops not the users
@@e21big well the schematics and user guides can also help end users. but yeah it is mostly about the shops
@@e21big anyone who buys the parts, aka end users as well? it's not exclusively repair shops
the recycled mouse thing seems almost pointless when you take into consideration how unrepairable their devices are. maybe they get 1 point for the surface pro 8 having an upgradeable ssd, but mostly they are nudging people to upgrade to new devices every few years, which means you are selling off your old device and eventually someone will have no more use for it and it will be dumped or if youre lucky then maybe recycled. theres too much focus on recycling anyway. they should be working on ways to help you keep the same device for years on end while swapping out parts. recycling bits of ocean plastic? bitch please
Alex's informants set him up
Alex: "They told me four"
Linus: "Anthony, Dennis, grab him!"
Fking bots go crazy today...
Linus is testing if Microsoft's statement about right to repair is true
It's clearly not...
@@fjjwfp7819 a not glued chassis and a removable ssd is literally STANDARD Lmao plus the hidden screws under camouflaged plastic stickers and the screws under the removable(but clearly made so if you remove them you can't put them back) rubber feet is very anti-right to repair hiding basic (should be easily accessible) aspects of a device for maintenance
@@mura_saki To add on that, dust cleaning and TP swap. Look at the mainboard design. IF you want to change the TP and clean the dust out of the device, you need to remove the mainboard. Just... WHYYY?
@@mura_saki its designed to look minimalist, some people hate seeing screws on their devices, and most of those people usually shop around this price
When was MS's statement about Right to Repair, also that means they provide the info and parts to repair. Also when was the laptop designed, most likely before the MS statement. Right to Repair doesn't mean it's EASY to take apart. Even Louis said that, once or twice.
"I was afraid Microsoft was just going to let the surface line up just quietly die" But instead he killed it with his bare hands, I SEEN'T it.
All great things can be done by linus 🤣😂
@@rakesharks6643 🤨
wow omg these comments are so believable..... Say how many people do you manage to get with this weird ploy? I mean i barley look at comments :)
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The irony that this device is actually "relatively repairable" by Surface standards.
My Surface 3 is basically e-waste when its RAM, battery, and SSD aren't enough anymore. Both are soldered on, and getting into this thing is a NIGHTMARE.
exactly, my sp3 works relatively well till it isn't. now it just sits under my tv as an entertainment set. barely able to do anything other than light browsing and movies. battery is worse too
Yeah, I got a used Surface Pro 3, because it seemed so cool. And yes, Microsoft outdid Apple three ways:
1. It's better than an iPad;
2. It's more expensive than an iPad;
3. It's harder to repair than an iPad.
@@michaelwright2986 Was thinking about getting an used surface pro 5, and this makes me drop the idea like a hot potato
@@mikairu2944 I bought a Surface Pro 3 used at a good price, thinking I could replace the battery if it needed it. Only then I discovered that replacing the battery is like open heart surgery, and the most professional sounding outfit who gave me a quote said they only gave themselves a 50% chance of opening it up without cracking the screen. It's a great device--really, really good, and if you can get a good price which allows for the fact that you will not be able to replace the battery, I wouldn't want to persuade you against it. But you need to know about the unrepairability, first.
Also, I thought I would run Linux on it, which kind of worked, but not perfectly, and I don't know enough to do all the tweaking that's needed to get it really smooth. Pity: Linux Mint on a Surface would be such a calm, convenient device to take with you everywhere.
I think Microsoft offers an exchange scheme for Surfaces: unfortunately, that's no longer available for the Pro 3, but you might look into the costs of that and budget for it for when the battery life gets too low for you.
Got really annoyed that I took the time to learn how to switch the screen on my Surface Pro 4(which got the hardware failure that happens to pretty much all Surface Pro 4 screens), only for the battery to die two months later...
I guess Microsoft's 'commitment to a right to repair' happened after this model was already designed lol.
I still don't believe them after I've seen this lol
Considering this thing was announced weeks ago and already released before their announcement re RTR, pretty obvious isn't it?
Well actually you are not really wrong there since designing a hardware takes months or even years. This Surface Laptop Studio is likely being developed for more than a years or two, considering they already released a patent way before this. So it means, this has been in the R&D for so long, and maybe why Surface Book 3 remained practically the same as the first Book since they are instead working on this one.
We will see how much they will change on version two, I hope upgradability will be considering this time. Surface Laptop 2 can at least able to open from the top lid using magnets. Maybe they can do that with SLS.
100% that is a PR lie and they do not support right-to-repair. FFS, how many lies do these multi-billion/trillion dollar companies have to tell until you start to understand that they lie about almost literally everything?
Actually, Microsoft DOES NOT support right to repair... just a few of their shareholders do... so they are compromising and sharing schematics...
It's a step the right direction... but it's not the final step...
I'm honestly fully on board with you breaking stuff more often to open it up and show what's inside. If it's not openable, it should be, and you deserve to show that
I don't think Surface laptops should ever be openable. PC should be, not Macs or Surface laptops. Nerds and geeks always want to open everything, get a life, nerds.
@@siipi6331 lol. So you don't think anyone should upgrade their storage or ram? And pay nearly twice the amount for getting a decent storage?
@@androwindo Yes, I think nobody should upgrade their RAM themselves but only via Microsoft support and if they can't do it or don't have that service, nobody should even try. If you can't buy the option with more RAM & SSD, you should not even contact anyone to do it for you. You buy the option you want to use and that's it. It's not a PC.
@@siipi6331 "Why replace the battery when you can throw the whole device away and give more money to Apple for a new one?" get a brain, simp.
@@oM477o I don't care if I give more money to some company, lmao. I just order what I need and if I need more, I contact Microsoft and pay them. This computer is so cheap compared to my Surface Book 2 i7 which cost me 3500€ (or actually I bought it for 0.5 bitcoin), so I could easily buy more services from Microsoft. I'm not buying this laptop, though. I think Surface Pro 8 is better, I have waited ~1,5 years to buy it. Surface Pro 8 i7 + Samsung Galaxy S22 + Samsung Galaxy Watch 4. I want them, now. :) Windows 11 is perfect.
Those probably aren't phantom pixels. They're probably really there. It's just that there's a black border around the whole screen covering up those pixels. If you were to disassemble the display, I bet the panel itself is perfectly square but the top layer, glass or whatever it is, has a black edge all the way around it but it only covers pixels on the corners where it has to make that right angle turn but still be curved.
This still leaves the question: WHY?
@@anlumo1 to look more like Apple. Which imo is meh. I hate that my iPad Pro has rounded corners. Looks ugly and chunky
@@RandomUser2401 he said his iPad pro, which indeed has rounded screens
@@RandomUser2401 it is if you put it on your lap
@@RandomUser2401 nobody said it was? The person said that they didn't like how it had round corners to try to copy Apple products, like his iPad. And this is clearly a competitor to the iPad pro since it's a 2 in 1... It's not just a laptop. FFS.
"No user serviceable parts inside." Translation: E-waste in 5 years!
These things last 2 years at most before they get suspiciously slow....
in less than 3 years.
@@Fyre0 i've serviced my 2019 XPS 15 yesterday. Heck of a difference in terms of noise from the fans and (though untested) probably higher load performance. Even on non-upgradeable laptops, as long as they are using fans for cooling, the end user should have a way to clean or replace those!
"E-waste in 5 years". And here I am using my notebook for 10 years without open it.
@@felipeaugustobatista6444 I guess it all depends on what you need the laptop for. If a ten year old notebook still meets your needs, that's great! Chances are it still has at least some upgrade path (probably RAM and hard drive) at that age. My five year number was meant to be more of an average across the full range, from those who still get everything they need out of old hardware to those ultra power-users who need to upgrade every year. I tend to find myself somewhere in between, not needing the "latest and greatest" but still wanting to extend the machine's life with a few upgrades before shelling out for a whole new one
Linus takes one for the team: He sacrificed the removal of his SLS bottom cover to find the hidden screw, so we wouln't have to. Of course, that's if we even buy one.
I knew something was wrong, Linus hadn’t broken anything in a while
I uploaded my Face Reveal....
Bots we don't freaking care
I think that's why it has that "chunky" look, as Linus called it. The extra ledge around the base makes it so the speakers are firing down into the table and bouncing the sound back up to your ears. Without the ledge, it be resting on the speakers and they would just be covered. And the ledge makes the pen magnet holder spot work a lot better. And, from the perspective of the person using it, it gives the illusion that the whole thing is hovering slightly above the table it's on. I like it a lot. It's just too expensive for me so I'll never buy it.
It also makes it way stiffer than just having a box
Yeah the design is really nice but i don't see the screen mechanism as very useful and I've opened every single laptop I've ever owned 😂 so this isn't for me
Idk about the audio, lots of other reviews of the Laptop Studio i've seen so far including MKBHD agree the speakers sound pretty terrible.
ruclips.net/video/vBnpGIZK9R0/видео.html
@@mini9503 bruh you don't need to link mkbhd lmao
@@mini9503 the xps has shitty speakers. They use a buggy software to increase bass and highs, like a loudness effect. I think it was called "Waves Maxxaudio". If that software crashes you're stuck with the raw audio from the Chipset and that sounds real bad. I had the last Xps15 with standard usbA ports and these speakers were a disappointment. The software always crashed and distorted at high volumes. Macbooks are the real kings when it comes to built in speakers.
Didn’t MS said in 2019 that they would commit their surface devices to be serviceable? This is a 180 of that 180…
If there was such commentary from MS, it should've been added to this video, right in 14:23
Yup, the older Surface Pro 7 tablet is like 10/10 unserviceable.. Heat gun needed to remove the glued on screen, integrated EVERYTHING. Glued in battery. If its broken, toss it.
Isnt it funny that they made this ugly mouse from recycled plastic waste in the ocean......and then produce something like this? :-D
They said they would start doing that in 2022, while I'm not excusing them, don't hold that against them, because they never claimed that for before 2022.
Lesson: Never trust Microsoft
The hidden screws, and the fact you can't really upgrade it, has made this a product I wouldn't consider even if I had the money for it to be an option.
I’ve literally loved the idea of this laptop since I first saw it and have made a fool of myself defending it in a couple of comment sections already, but that simple fact has turned me away from it. This seems like an intentional way to ‘punish’ or trick people who try to upgrade/repair their own machine and make them destroy it. Reprehensible.
However, as a laptop my employer purchases for me, I don't care about repairability. I just need to persuade them about the price.
@@DocMoth 100% agree. If it's my money being spent, no way I'm spending it on something user hostile. If it's someone else's money? Just give me something that leaves me as the bottleneck for getting work done.
@@fjjwfp7819 Well, what if you needed to clean the dust out the laptop? its going to need a deep clean one day or another and i doubt many repair shops are going to have little trouble getting those feet and stickers again; once its open its not looking the same again irregardless of if you're linus or not
Buy the Linus's funded Framework laptop
Damn. Louis was right when he said that Microsoft Surface was the worst piece of garbage to take apart and that you won't be able to disassemble it without totaling your device, hence he wouldn't repair Surface laptops. Only Microsoft things.
@MEDIA THING Our company have hundreds of Surface Pro 4's. And a common thing for those are that the battery expands and bends the screen. We had many many returned to Microsoft where we would pay almost full price for refurbished models that last no more than a year.
you can punch through the fascia and remove the screws. Or pry it off, afaik Microsoft has't uploaded the surface laptop studio service manual online. The fact that they didn't say that sucks. Also HP does this too. They have a small sticker that you have to punch through to get the small screw (and HP does sell a replacement). That being said, not being able to know that SUCKS. And them operating under the assumption that its only those 4 screws sucks even more.
@@LordZordid I can relate to that. The screen got destroyed in a case I've seen. Not cracked, but not functioning either.
@@LordZordid The firm that told me the bad news about replacing the battery on a Surface Pro 3 said they only had about a 50% success rate with opening them up without cracking the screen, except that if the battery had swollen, the success rate went up to 70%. So maybe the swollen battery isn't a bug, but a feature: self-disassembly when it's time for service.
I do IT for a school district, if framework was capable of taking PO's and delivering in a decent amount of time, I think I would take the added cost hit to use machines designed to be repaired.
Apple: we're making our products harder to fix
Microsoft : write that down, Write that down!
Well said friend. Apple isn't on this level. They need to be innovative 💡 Apple getting old. I got rid of my macbook after a year because real businesses and real productivity comes only in windows. I finally got rid of my iPhone 2 years ago because samsung is creating foldable devices while Apple is reusing iPhone 4 designs to say that they have a new iPhone design
@Stardust342 yes they have. From the very beginning
@@adrian8967 yes real laggy "productivity" on windows, no logic pro, no final cut, i love the bloatware that windows comes with, the large 40gb boot file while mac os is only 15gb. i love how lightroom and photoshop does not flow well in lightroom, rendering is a nightmare and airdropping photos from a pc to an iphone does not work.
@@Jasonzvo how is it laggy productivity? You've clearly not used Windows at all. Also, most business use Windows over Macs. Say what you want but Windows dominates the market. I'm sure one day you'll be using it at work.
@@adrian8967 I use both windows and Mac, I have 2 separate setups for each because as you know, Logic Pro and final cut does not run on windows, adobe suite is also more optimised for a Mac but I have my windows pc for blender which runs it really well. Both are very different and no, I will not be using a windows completely for work.
“We are never ever ever.. putting it back together” -Taylor swift tips
hahahaha
Linus please include repairability score in the review. That'll make an impact. And there's nothing wrong in that, if you include it.
0/10 to apple 😂
I mean the evidence here speaks for itself 😂
Yeah! Tech manufacturers like Microsoft that do stuff like this deserve to be called out for their BS every single new release!
@@Praxss How? You can easily open and replace a battery in a MacBook. That in itself by modern standards is above average. You can’t give apple 0/10 when you’ve just witnessed the shambles that Microsoft produced in this very video 😂
Would a repairability score really be better than seeing Linus tear the back off the damn thing?
It's great how repairability is now a standard thing to be considered, and that it's a real bummer if manufacturers do silly things against it nowadays.
Steve Jobs vision is the nightmare we're living in today with repairability.
Out of the 6 laptops I have had, I have taken them all apart just to look inside of them :D. Even helped my girlfriend replace the casting of her laptop after she was drinking to much and "dropped" it
@@amirpourghoureiyan1637 it’s funny you say that because during Steve Jobs everything on a MacBook was replaceable and the bottom only had 4 simple exposed screws to pull the whole bottom off to access the internals.
@@HeyItsHades lol no, you must take them to the service center, if you did it on your own, the warranty will be void.
@@HeyItsHades There were plenty of Macbooks during his tenure and many of the were far from easy to take apart, I'm on about his original plan for the Macintosh where it's an appliance that consumers won't ever open up.
Microsoft: "We will commit to Right to Repair!"
*Looks at newly released Surface*
"... Er, soon..."
Microsoft, no, we support the right to repair, we just don't design it to be easy.
Clearly they learn from Apple in all the wrong ways. Hostile opening experience to make it likely to break parts and no replaceable RAM means this laptop is a joke. Glad to know it is designed to become a paperweight even sooner.
Please continue doing teardown in the reviews, it is priceless info to know if you can upgrade it or not
Also the fact that they didn't even have an SD card slot LMAO even apple has them.
@@VideoWatcher8888 if Apple has them and you don't, that's just sad
I really hate the practice of hiding screws under rubber feet. After you remove them they never stick properly.
There is no rational reason to even hide them in the first place, let alone under a sticker.
Spirit gum works quite well to re-attach the feet once the work is done.
@@willgallatin2802 Yeah, but then you're attracting ghosts.
@@looncraz ROFLMFAO!!
I love how M$ is literally making e-waste with recycled ocean plastic just to spread awareness about the massive plastic waste in our oceans
and it doesnt even bother to give you 2 side buttons... is this 2005 lol
and doesn't make their laptops user serviceable which im sure contributes further to ewaste
It's like recycling, but done counter-clockwise. We'll be able to recycle, reuse, but never actually reduce that oceanic plastic waste OVER AND OVER AGAIN.
? it's not actually included with the purchase lol
@@Arwokid Who even uses those side buttons? Never seen anyone use them in my entire life.
Funny how you broke it just days after Microsoft announced their right to repair strategy
IF that is RTR... Then I'm better without it. What is the problem with exposed screws? WTF Microsoft? Why fucking hide them under the feet and stickers? Do you understand what RTR is about???
@@sedixmrboss5625 This was probably recorded before they even announced that.
@@sedixmrboss5625 unfortunately their just released devices are decidedly not rtr, but Microsoft has announced that going forward their devices will be much more rtr friendly as shareholders basically forced Microsoft to go that route
@@fjjwfp7819 Framework has exposed screws. MacBooks have exposed screws. Both look premium. One is RTR ready, the other... well let's not talk about that. And while hiding the screws makes the device look... better, it also means that IF something goes wrong or you want to upgrade, you will have to destroy the looks. I haven't seen a laptop where the rubber feet would just stick back on it after removing them, and my ThinkPad lost them without me even trying to remove em. Also the statements that Microsoft out out are contrary to one another. On the one hand, they are RTR friendly. On the other, "There are no user swappable parts", and "the harddrive should be replaced by an authorised Microsoft blablabla". That sounds more like Apple then like a RTR friendly company.
@@Andrew-se9be That makes no sense but ok. Why would you say smth because someone forced you to, but then do the contrary?
Hidden screws aside, having the battery on the base is pretty neat. If it had some sort of connector that immediately disconnects the battery so you can work on the laptop safely... That'd just be perfect. May be an idea for Framework laptops to implement in the future.
Linus looking very buff in that LTT store shirt
sure when its two sizes too small lmfao.
B u f f
@@crisnmaryfam7344 lmao his shirt just fits him. It's not 2 sizes to small
Howdy Hey!
Don Provolone is watching you.
Love how he's constantly being transparent with his framework venture, appreciating tech and giving credit where it's due.
He completely doged the question though. I wanna know how!
i think its pretty much advertising at this point he mentions framework way too much.
well, no, he isent, he said he was gonna leave the laptop reviews to his staff
@@freddymaster0057
He said he wasn't sure if he was going to do that or not.
@@BrickTamlandOfficial He's required to disclose his investment during all of these laptop ones to avoid conflict of interest concerns.
"You will never, ever, ever" be able to clean dust out of the heat exchangers.
they want you to buy a new one once it collects enough dust to ruin its performance via planned obsolescence. ;D
that or they dont think dust exists or can get into the laptop
@@Kittsuera No problem! I just use it exclusively in my Class 1 cleanroom!
16:57 MS: “Linus is now an authorized repair technician” for fixing the chassis with sheer force of his grip.
I can see Steve from GN doing the "alright, that's it" rip-apart, but Linus doing it caught me by surprise lol
Steve would have got the rotary tool to open it.
ruclips.net/video/HkgUykFZRx4/видео.html lol Steeve is so fun lol
@@petervisi5369 Steve would have *Found the Glue* on the border and after that the screw ;)
The intent of covering those screws with a sticker is pretty clear.
That was straight-up malicious. I honestly wouldn't be mad at any user who tried opening it and didn't see those screws.
I can understand the screws under the rubber feet, but the hidden screws feels kinda gross.
I highly doubt the intent of the stickers is to maliciously deter people from opening it. It's almost definitely purely aesthetic to make it look "seamless" -- same reason the other screws are under the rubber feet as opposed to right next to them.
@@cdrini Yeah, that's what they'd tell you
@@cdrini oh sweet summer child, these companies are really malicious.
Mainframes: "I must use hammer to install memory."
Modern PCs: *sigh* "Oh no, it broke because I breathed."
And you had a great time putting one in your backpack.
I'm not sure breathing can be compared to renching a laptop apart
I get the joke, but mainframes are absolutely fragile. The real MVP nowadays are the Celeron equipped PCs that you see all over the developing countries.
@@gteixeira Ryzen 9 and 11th gen i9 *needs a large tower cooler or water cooling to even get close to their full potential.*
Laptop Celeron *cooled by a single small bent piece of copper and the smallest fan in the world*
@@DJKr15py ... that is fully clogged with dust after six months of use. Yet the laptop will be up and running for at least 10 years.
Honestly the only thing keeping me from upgrading to a framework laptop is the formfactor options. I need a stylus for my laptop and if framework could do an ok implementation of a convertable with a stylus then I'd be on their site to upgrade instantly.
Alex: They told me 4.
Microsoft: I told you 4 "hidden areas for screws"
Reality is often disappointing
It is funny it is probably true.
"This is the new benchmark for how displays on Windows should work"
Those rounded corners made this an instant nope for me. What on earth, lol. That's got to be so frustrating!
Just wait till we start hearing about the replacement price and repairability. 😱
That's to match windows 11's rounded corners on windows. I actually think it's better bc it's a bit weird having a windows have rounded corners but then when you maximize it the corners are squares
@@joseevb04 dude the mouse literally goes to a blank spot, that's not good
@@tomebundalevski1872 I'm probably just overreacting thanks to their confusing tech spec on the subject and it's just the bezel design for ergonomic purposes while drawing on the screen. Still, my spidey senses are tingling about a big corp trickery. 🤣 We'll see with ifixit's guide. 🤞
I'm still not over the fact that my phone have rounded corner. Stupid IPhone for popularising something so trivially stupid
Microsoft, we want to at least change the battery, it literally degrades with the use. Thanks.
tbf the battery seems like the easiest thing to replace, assuming you get the thing open in the first place.
You should have seen all the other surface products, they used to be literally glued together. Thankfully now they are using at least screws.
@@loonloon9365 Yeah, especially the Surface Pro line up, everything glued together and when there are screws, they are all different sizes.
@@solhsa not the ssd? The battery is glued in... providing you can even find one
Bill Gates be like: “Write that down! Write that down!”
My first thought about the display is I can finally hide the mouse in video apps that it doesn't disappear in while in full screen. That's a feature!
Looking at the positives! This is actually a pretty useful idea lol. You sold me on it
I just want to mention the webcam on the framework looks good. I didn't except that. Well done framework team!
@Rara🇦 same
Hopefully we'll see some homebrew projects that reuse cameras from high-end phones - could end up being decent 4k webcams lol
Love how Linus ripped it apart
to show how you can't rip it apart.
I say keep it up. Keep emphasising how unacceptable it is to lock users out of their own products.
Rip and tear. Until it is done.
"You can't just remove the bottom of the Surface of Microsoft."
He only is on the right to repair kick because he has a financial interest in framework. Nothing more.
@@Evan_Rodgers nobody cares about your smart theories
@@Evan_Rodgers Sure, bud. Yeah, it has nothing to do with him being a tech enthusiast who cares. Yeah, it couldn't be that. No chance.
@Evan Rodgers you are not wrong, but also not right. The correct statement would be he has a financial interest in frameworks because he believes in the right for repair.
Apple: "We don't want people to be able to upgrade our stuff"
Microsoft: "Hold my beer"
At the very least, Microsoft won't brick your device if you don't use official hardware. Apple devices have hardware-level DRM which will prevent your OS from booting if you swap out a part for a 3rd party equivalent.
Ehh right. Try upgrading the ssd on a macbook. You can do it on here. Not to mention the surface pro x Pro 8 and pro 7+ has user upgradable ssd from one push of a button.
@@LimitedWard Third party hardware is worse to begin with, so it ensures the end user doesn’t get scammed
@@theobserver4214 What? Third party hardware can be amazing, especially four years into the future, when capacity and speeds improve. Hardware is always moving forwards, so it's very short-term thinking to just picture official hardware as best, and to think you will never want to upgrade a device, or that nobody else will be using your computer. That kind of thinking would just fill up E-waste irresponsibly, as well as keep older, used devices, in a much less usable condition for people who can't afford the newest things.
@@weeveferrelaine6973 Yeah, but not for phone screens or cameras. The majority of third repair parts are going to be used to cheap out, not make your device better.
It reminds me of my old Sony Vaio Flip 15. Loved that laptop back in the day. Almost identical screen functionality and design. Even has the same step in the chassis to make it look thinner.
"hard drive is only removeable [...] following Microsoft provided instructions" - aka telling the truth about how many screws you have to remove
@@fjjwfp7819 7th is the only
rather weird that microsoft told them theres only 4 screw
@@fjjwfp7819 As the other guy said, where is your source for that? Nothing comes back from usual google searches you'd make to check so, are you expecting them to be updated on whatever obscure or small circle, page or reviewer you read/watched? Plus if you're going to use "people" I should expect you have several sources, right?
Or perhaps, is it just another instance of "Such case is probably true so I can get away posting such a comment since people will agree it sounds plausible and it'll make me look smart and informed"?
What's even more sad is how by hiding that last screw Microsoft is clearly choosing form over function as with easily accessible screws at the very least it seems like the SSD would be fairly easy to replace/upgrade.
More like choosing anti-repair and nudging you to buy a new device faster over ones that are serviceable.
@@PAcifisti And you know damn well they won't touch it if you broke the back cover because they decided to hide screws. It's so anti-consumer, and for no good reason at all.
@@DankoleClouds Oh its not for "no good reason". It has a very good reason and it's perfectly legal & acceptable in our current system. It's what companies are supposed to do, get maximum amount of profits with minimum amount of effort.
Which always means screwing over people working there and people buying stuff. When you don't repair it you'll be forced to buy a new one. A repair nets them far less money than a new sale.
its not even that - when was the last time you glanced at the *bottom* of your laptop and thought, "i can see the location of a couple of screws, that clearly decreases the value of my laptop" - bear in mid the complexity of hiding the side screws would add to the cost. (the rubber feed not so much ; its just screw, then glue)
"I wonder if you can add more RAM after buying?"
*rips off bottom half of the laptop*
"Nope!"
Hey, a new one was a w11 update away anyway, soon 32gb isn't going to be enough :D TLDR install Linux
@@charolin2891 the tank man protest at Tiananmen Square was a very brave protest against the brutality of the Chinese state, also the people of Taiwan deserve sovereignty, safety from China
Years ago a client upgraded his Surface Pro tablet to a newer model and gave us the old one to dispose of. Since this person was a C-level in a financial company, we had to take it apart to remove the drive and physically destroy it aka "disposing of data to military standards".
Never again. Ever. That thing was about a million screws and everything was GLUED or soldered together. It was horrible. Bent the crap out of everything and basically destroyed it. The battery was swelling up as well before we even removed a single screw.
Turns out their cooling design blew hot air OVER THE BATTERY ITSELF!
The company swore that day to never, ever recommend another Microsoft Surface anything to another client again.
Not the case here, thankfully.
Microsoft has a long way to go to take "right to repair" seriously
This makes me respect the hell out of the steam deck
I'll reserve my respect to Framework
Most manufacturers show how to disassemble the laptop in the user manual, even two in ones.
I suppose Microsoft’s intention here is to make the computer as least serviceable as possible to encourage people to replace their surface product instead of fixing their current computer.
I would pay GOOD Money to see a side-by-side teardown from iFixit of the new Steam Deck and Surface Go 3 when both devices become available. 😂😂🤣
My disappointment is immeasurable and my day is ruined… Yvonne’s wedding vows are beautiful
Back in the day, Acer computers made the Aspire R7 laptop with a tie-in with the movie Star Trek Into Darkness. It had a screen with a middle swivel that allowed it to lift up, go into an easel mode, and flip around to allow viewing from the other direction. However, since it was an early Win8 touchscreen, they moved the keyboard to the bottom and the trackpad at the top. That way, when you brought the screen down, it hid the trackpad but left the keyboard free to use. It was a pretty cool machine all in all.
Linus, breaking the Surface Laptop Studio: oh... That was 90% gravity.
EDIT: Fuck! Oooh, fuck that hurt!
"Silence wench"
@@Kitarraman What's up with these pron bots?! Can't even have a convo in the youtube comments anymore.. Don't tell me a comapny as big as google can't do anything about obvious spam. But, hey you can watch 3 unskippable ads between them.
@@Cheesyxable I don't know man. I felt the urge of spamming the "Silence wench" and "begone thot" memes, but I feel they're gonna take over the YT comment sections regardless. And since they're bots, it wouldn't have been that funny either 😕
Seeing Linus dress up as Duke Nukem has been the best part of my day.
lol I had to double take ..
I never thought we’d get a sequel to the infamous breaking of their iMac Pro.
This wasn't accidental, this was more like manhanding an attempted rapist :D
I just wish they made it a little beefier. It would be perfect for 3D modeling, it’s just down on power and overpriced with no ports and poor storage space. I can’t seem to find any powerful laptops with screens that I can sculpt and draw on.
The Asus Pro art the new one looks good but the pen input is through the touch pad rather than the screen. Though I know cad professionals who prefer their wacoms to not have screens so they can focus on the big screen without hands and pens in the way which ultimately is an evolution. It's probably a pretty good product for stuff like z brush etc
Pls let me know if you find a bulky laptop like this 🥺
This laptop is turning out amazing for a programmer/casual user like me after a week of use:
1. 3:2 ratio is a godsend.
16:9 ratio laptos should not be a thing anymore unless all you do is play games and watch movies.
2. I play a few games which this laptop is handling really well.
3. The keyboard, touchpad and speakers are amazing!
4. This does not get loud at all which I love.
5. It gets slightly warm on heavy load but isnt a problem for me.
6. I really love that I can use it at 120hz and it doesnt kill battery as much as i expected. Its on par with 60hz for my usage.
7. The laptop feels premium with its finish. One of the best looking laptops.
Negatives:
1. The screen is nice to use but you have to deal with reflection.
2. Its a little on the heavier side
3. I wish it had a USB A.
Whatevers:
The screen tilt. Its there is you wanna use it. I dont so I dont care about the hinge or modes or whatever but I like the option of having it.
Also, get to learn the features of Windows 11, its pretty cool.
"How can you declare this laptop as the best Windows laptop while investing in Framework?"
Because Framework... Isn't necessarily a Windows laptop.
Also because even though it isn't the best, it's an important step towards sustainability
@@xmlthegreat whilst also retaining the ability to create proprietary add ons that will fill up landfill and be even more useless than an ancient full laptop.
"Oh I've upgraded my framework to thunderbolt 4 and switched the hdmi module for the usb-c ports only."
"Really!? What did you do with the old motherboard module and add ons?"
"Oh I threw them in the bin".
It's not a move to sustainability, in so much it's a way to commercialise whilst undermining the right to repair movement.
Desired: I switched out my CPU for more performance
Framework: I bought a new motherboard module from the manufacturer.
@@lmaoroflcopter Yes and no, look for parts that's still in use. Memory, SSDs, chassis and screen
@@lmaoroflcopter You're completely missing the fact that because they are upgradable in the first place, changing those things means getting more use out of the more expensive parts. And you are also assuming people are going to just *throw away* perfectly good parts because they upgraded. If the motherboard dies and gets binned, that's one thing. It's better than the alternative of binning the whole laptop because one piece doesn't work. You're making a baseless assumption that people are going to use upgrade opportunities to be wasteful, which is frankly stupid.
@@lmaoroflcopter They actually aim to resolve that problem too. They really wouldn't care if you sold the stuff on eBay, but they are trying to build their own marketplace as well.
also why would you throw away the HDMI port, when you can literally just put it back in whenever, with the laptop running? The card slots are just recessed Thunderbolt 4 ports, so all the add on cards are hot swappable. I get that people are dumb, but I don't think they're that dumb.
I guess the motherboard situation is a fair complaint, but that issue is something they have no control over, seeing as all laptop CPUs are soldered these days. I'm guessing if they could do a socketed solution, they would have done that from the start. The real attraction there, for me, is burying a new board when I would normally replace the whole laptop anyway. That does pose a design constraint on newer motherboard options, though, since they would all need to fit into the same chassis and have the same 4 ports.
I think that leaves Framework with a few options:
1. Long-term product support, where they support a product for at least 3-5 years with part updates. Then, they take what they've learned from the limitations of that product, and make a successor.
2. Long long-term support, where they support it for even longer. Has the drawback of potentially creating hard limitations down the line that they can't fix because they pledged product support for way longer than necessary.
3. short-term support measuring in 1-3 year intervals between a product and its direct successor.
All of those options can be supplemented with a steady supply of repair parts for as long as people are using the laptop. Keep in mind a gaming laptop is not a successor to a thin and light ultra-portable model, it's a different product entirely. Speaking of which, I'd love to see Framework branch out a bit and maintain a product portfolio. I want to see them become a big name in the tech space, so long as they don't abandon their ideals.
The Surface history still hurts me to the core. THEY WERE AMAZING(!) first entries all around, from the desktop variant down to the smallest and Microsoft somehow managed to fuck it all up in such an astonishing fashion that I believe they just accidentally or purposefully either fired or didn't listen to the production and design team that was in charge of coming up with the whole Surface lineup.
I'm honestly sad about this because the lineup had so much potential and supposed staying power, that you almost need to put effort into destroying that.
I really hope we see a SD card slot on the Surface Studio 2, and hopefully with a bigger screen. I don’t care much for the gpu, but it would be nice to have an option for Raptor Lake on the next one instead of Alder Lake.
Linus: **looking at each webcam**
ah yes he loves it
Looks at Dell one and has that "Well you tried, kind of." look.
Comment above me is posted by a bot
@@kxrannn.g They're everywhere today for some reason, it's insane. Every single comment has 3-4 bot spam replies.
Framework webcam 👍👍👍
@@Onihikage they must’ve figured out a way to skirt the spam filter. 🤷♂️
"That's not a Dell That's Crab Rave" That cracked me up.
*Adele
Microsoft: supports Right to Repair, apparently.
Also Microsoft: 13:01
yeah... i wasn't expecting much, but screws hidden beneath plastic made to look like the magnesium body is just disappointing...
I'm fairly sure that was Linus at 13:01. I could be wrong. (Sure looked like him.)
I am investigating purchase of a new laptop. I find it interesting how many reviews highlight limitations of the Surface Studio while avoiding how these limitations can be easily overcome. One example is the restricted accessability of the keyboard with the screen in easel position. There is no mention that an on screen keyboard is instantly available as needed. There are other "issues" that are more about form than function. These "issues" are more about personnel preference than actual performance limitations. You have to question a reviewer's motivation when he starts ripping apart a laptop, he knows nothing about doing, as part of a review.
My biggest reservation with the Studio laptop is accessory connectability. It gets expesive tapping into utilizing the full capability of this laptop. I'm hoping off brand accessory manufactures catch up.
The way the bezel is rounded on the inner diameter and cuts off some pixels in the corner seems extremely counter intuitive for a product that has "Studio" on it.
TBH I don't know why anybody would want it like this, but if you're going to be making anything you don't want to have a spot you can't analyze?! :X
well at least there is no notch for the webcam
@@fjjwfp7819 exactly, people draw on the centre, and artist zoom in and out of the canvas all the time. it seems people think the whole screen is all the real estate people got to draw on XD
@jo e if you are coming here to reply, aren’t you an audience too?🙃
Perhaps you haven't used a Windows device in the last... I don't know... 26 years... But there is nothing important in the corners on a machine running Windows 95 or later.
Don't get me wrong, I can't think of a good reason for rounding the corners, but your point is completely moot.
@@TheEvox81 It's not about what windows shows... It's a laptop for development, AKA you're going to be making stuff (Videos, Models, Textures)... It is 100% important for these things because you use the whole screen them in a lot of cases.
I would actually like the surface connect port if it didn't require a $$$ dock. Like it's basically the old magsafe combined with USB c.
I've had people trip over the charger and it just pulls it out. It's saved my surface go countless times.
It's magnetic so it has some useful benefit. It's also kinda interesting to see Linus shift his opinion on it when a few years ago he said he'd be happy for the magnetic surface connect port to exist if they also included thunderbolt.
@@Fallen0o1 same here
I could almost feel what he was feeling after breaking it. Like "I have to go on with the review but I don't really feel like it". Still a great video, Linus and team.
He didn't care. He didn't have to break it. He chose to.
@@LeeKeels Chose? How was he supposed to know there was a screw there its a really dumb spot and as far as structure is concerned the screw has no purpose its literally just there to keep people from opening it
@@LeeKeels he was on camera and needed to get the video made, time constraints do often cause mistakes. (LoL rhyme)
More like "you made me do this, Microsoft"
Wait, they already call their instant-e-waste mouse "ocean plastic"? Does it also come in "pacific garbage patch" colours?
i think the idea is that it is made of recycled ocean pollution.
@@rightwingsafetysquad9872 I had thought about that. But if you do that, why make new trash from it?
@@notthedroidsyourelookingfo4026 It is a bunch of buzz word crap too. Ocean plastic recycling is not feasible at all, I watched a video on it not long ago. It’s such an extensive and frankly expensive process that if things were truly made from 100% recycled ocean plastics, they would be ridiculously expensive.
Edit : Here is the link to the video.
ruclips.net/video/4o9-FkSHGWA/видео.html
The Mac actually has this same refresh rate vs mouse polling problem with their Magic Mouse. Ever since Mac OS Sierra, Apple introduced some kind of bug into the firmware of most Macs that cause any Magic Mouse paired with the computer to poll at 90Hz even if the display is only running at 60Hz. It results in a stuttery mess that Apple to this day has not fixed.
Microsoft: promises to hand out schematics for repair shops
also Microsoft: those schematics ain't gonna do jack if you can't open it
They didn't promised. The news that they're looking into it came yesterday.
That display assembly would really benefit from not using magnets to hold it in place. Every time you try to change it, the screen gets bend awkwardly and worringly.
Loved my Sony Vaio Multi-Flip Laptop which had the same hinge for the display. They even share the silly screws-under-the-rubber-feet design...
Unfortunately, I had to retire the device due to the aging CPU and low RAM capacity. Still sad about it 🤧
"How do they get 11hrs out of that?" They don't.
What they did with the screws on the bottom is absolutely insane, like even Apple wouldn't do that lmao
They literally glued a plastic layer that you will probably break or at least damage when taking it off to hide the screws, screw holes aren't even tat ugly, it will look worse if a user has to rip that plastic off to take it apart than if they just left the damn holes.
It's clearly just an anti repair move, not even an aesthetics thing anymore, taking rubber feet off is one thing but having to unglue a whole layer to access the screws...
Nobody:
LTT Benchmark: *plays crab rave*
It’s a copyrights thing, the guy who made crab rave let’s RUclipsrs use his music video for free.
Lol
@@Alm8hoorOW I'm not complaining. I love crabrave
why do you take everything apart? What's in it. PCB chip battery. Anyway, you don't see any more of it. It does not show what kind of chip, not everyone knows, but the small 10x10 mm or 2x2.5 mm. (mosfet) so it was a shame to spoil it.
My heart aches watching Linus destroy a $2,000 laptop lol. And as someone that does repairs, it aches seeing how hard it is to open.
I winced at that entire mouse disappearing into the corner. Atrocious.
Edit: yeah I know, this happens on your machine. But this is Microsoft's OS on a flagship Microsoft product, one aimed at a professional/creative market. On a Mac, no matter how much of the body of the mouse disappears, part of it always remains visible. This is just low effort.
Yeah, that's not a "finished product feature"
I imagine there being actual screen behind that, and itcs blocked off by that round edge piece for "looks".
you can do it on normal displays too so i don't know why it's a big deal
What do you expect from a Microsoft product? Perfection? Lmao 😂
@@mini9503 no. It doesn't work in the left top corner. But in every other corner.
But more important: Can we please talk about how the mouse doesn't completely hide at the right edge? A few pixels are always visible.
Linus: “If you manage your expectations(While gaming)”
Me: I still don’t have a gpu, I just want a 1050 my guy.
@@dashd4sh117 noshit...did you actually click a link to figure out its a scam ? ...
@@-joo3033 no, there’s a lot of horneee 12 year old on RUclips tho
@@dashd4sh117 true
Really appreciate that teardown, not only reviews the laptop usability but also the serviceability.
how it started : "it all started with dropping pc parts"
how it is going : "now the stuff is being broken live"
they are still using that Duke Nukem cosplay of Linus? That was like 10 years ago, I always laugh seeing that
Nice replies
@CHICKEN-DESTROYER 100%
What isn’t impressive is the price Microsoft is trying to charge for the thing
Right? I get the unique factor, and your paying a lot extra for the form factor really. But seriously, what is it with these $2K+ laptops that are just middling in the specs? I don't get it.
All along, my biggest complaint about the Surface line was never with their package, but with the price being charged for it. Would I want a cool Windows tablet? Sure! So I want to pay $1K+ for a usable version of it? Yeah, no, I'll pass. Would I want a nice convertible that's a decent laptop and a decent tablet experience? Sure! Am I going to pay $2K+ for it? Hell no!
It's like, I get, I see the potential. But for the price? I'm going to spend that money on more power, not for a fancy tablet.
Wonder if it would have been cheaper if supply chains were normal. Maybe they are baking the scarcity into the price now?
@@andmicbro1 I am actually thinking of buying one, that thing is gonna game just fine for the most part and you should still own a desktop if you are so serious about performance.
Fact of the matter is, you're paying for excellent industrial design, a brilliant screen and tons of other QoL features like the pen.
You will NEVER see top of the line hardware in something like this, it's just physically impossible to make it work without running those parts much under their spec,
I bought a 1050Ti, 7700HQ, 16GB ram, 512GB SSD run of the mill laptop back in 2017 and it still does fine, cost me around 1200 bucks.
2k for an RTX 3050 and a decent cpu, including tablet features, a pen and a good screen is just fantastic.
In fact, comparing it to the XPS 15, the Surface Laptop Studio is a bargain
Seriously though.... *$2250 for 4-core CPU that scores 2250 on CB20 and 4GB RTX 3050 that, despite the name, isn't any capable of ray-tracing.* 💀
That was unfortunate lol. I'm not the sharpest tool in the shed, but swapping out the ssd wasn't too bad from my experience. I left a Slight blemish, but I'm certain on another attempt I could do it flawlessly.
I don't need a dedicated GPU for most of my work so I can look at the "cheaper" price. I like the Surface Laptop Studio a lot and I hope they redesign their Surface Laptop series too. The Surface connector is cool by the way because it is magnetic and gives you all the IO with the Surface Dock. The bad teardown experience is bad though.
@BearApps That's already bad enough. I rather see every screw to a bottom side that i never look at unless i need to open it but Microsoft's mind literally went full Apple.
It’s better than the surface book, that needed a heat gun to do anything. They’re making progress, but it absolutely isn’t good enough yet
@@TwinShards I think a repair shop would be able to open it up. But since CPU and RAM are soldered there is nothing to do but changing the battery after X years when it's broken anyway.
Jokes aside, it's a pretty big issue that Microsoft isn't fixing these small issues that Linus was talking about.
@@ALEXA-oo4bj weiiiirddooooo
I uploaded my Face Reveal.....
you havent even watched the video yet
@@ruchirkohli9110 yeah ikr lol hes just after likes lmao
@@ruchirkohli9110 or like from ltt
Linus needs to do that more to devices that are "unserviceable by design" those companies need to be shamed by every possible media.
MIcrosoft: It's not serviceable
Linus: Hold my screwdriver
I'd honestly have to say for $2100 starting price, I'd rather have a Asus Zephorus or a MSI Stealth. Paying the premium for a surface just doesn't feel like value when for around the same price you get better performing parts. Even for the 2-1 factor a Dell XPS seems like better value for not much compromise.
Well yes but no. The Dell has touch but i dont like to have a keyboard behind the screen when i use the touch display, but rather than that small thing that just anoys me, dont forget that the Dell XPS doesnt support pen input. Thats one of the reason why this device is so expensive. Just look at Laptops with pen support and you will se that their price is a couple hundred bucks above the normal laptop because these displays are just more expenise (dont look at wacom and co because one of those displays costs a whole fortune). And microsoft put a lot of work into the pen as you can see in the video of Brad Colbow, who looks at the device from an artist perspectiv and normaly a good pen isnt bad for students either. So i personally think that reviews about such devices are only half fair and im sad that they didnt gave the device to someone who works with digital art to test that part out like they did with the surface studio.
These are different things, you just compare performance, and there are people who needs a tablet, artists working in game industry for instance, and painting directly on screen is a big thing, you can buy a separate WACOM toy but a top spec and size is also big cost and still you don't get the same as here. It is not for everyone for sure, if you just need a standard (fast or slow, doesn't matter) latpop then it makes no sens, true that.
@@feels3 not only that but the wacoms dont come with a built in (or attachable) keyboard, and they also break so much more commonly than youd think since the screens arent meant to handle that much temperature and pressure. im so getting one of these because im 100% sure it will push any art related workload i throw at it with no problems especially with that rtx card
Linus: "I have to be completely honest here. Since I have invested in the Framework laptop, I am now legally required to break any other company's product during a review. And now that that is out of the way..." [SMASH]
U have heard "hulk smash", but this is "linus smash"🤣😂
Now that's fair and balanced.
The funny thing is that he doesn't. He usually says you can upgrade the memory and the ram.
He broke this one by opening it up.
@@andrewh1113 Yep and it wasn't completely his fault since Alex was lied to about the 4 screw thing. Not really their fault considering lack of instructions since we can see Microsoft is very anti-right-to-repair with this thing. All good will went out the window and justifiably so.
I'm surprised Linus didn't talk about the battery life being actually far less than is reported. The biggest negative about the new Studio is the much smaller battery compared to the outgoing Surface Book 3.
About the pen: you don't want a metal pen that "snaps" to the chassis. That would be scratch city. A cheaper pen would be nice though.
If it is in that particular position i think metal on metal would be fine, you could also put a thin layer of plastic or a sot of sticker to mitigate the scratch issue
Isn't the pen plastic ?
At this price you can literally get a monster rtx 3080 laptop this is a huge ripoff it would be one thing if it was the old 1600$ price but 2100$ you’d have to be stupid to pay for that unless you absolutely need a 2 in 1
@@mathewkanapilly796 bro, at that pricepoint , ipad pro with their magic keyboard shit looks like a champ.
@@Ahfeku i definitely agree and you can get an ipad through financing at your carrier like a phone so its way nicer, i was just trying to show that you can get way more for your money at 2100$
Regarding the rounded corners at 2:11 No, windows is doing no special treatment, the pixels simply are there. The display is almost certainly folded over, a technology phones have used for a while that is most certainly replicated here. Otherwise mayn things would have to be changed for this display, as it wouldnt represent a rectangular picture anymore, which makes everything in the entire rendering stack very very hard for no good reason.