I have used the Nero for just over 5yrs. I had similar concerns regarding shoulder strap attach points. Be advised I have used the Nero slightly exceeding Zpacks recommended 20lb max. weight. Generally 22lb fully loaded an I can tell the audience there is no reason for concern. 5yrs and hundreds and hundreds of miles and still no obvious areas of concern. I do however recommend the accessory Zpack hip pads.
I have a zpacks nero and i agree with everything you way. I wonder why most reviews are always so positive. Everytime I pick it up I am afraid the shoulder straps will rip out, the side pocket material is not stretchy at all, the bit outer pocket is not stretchy, but the worst is the hip belt pocket which I have.. or slides off everytime you take the pack off. The dyneema will stay waterproof though.. you can just stick some tape on the inside..
@@kriztofur the people who make backpacks are not smarter than we are.... so just have your tailor (the guys who fix your pants) make all changes/repairs you need
Pa'lante ultralight backpacks are created by Andrew Bentz and John Zahorian. These packs are not made for everyone. You need to put your base weight very light.
I put a lot of miles on my Zpack Nero and I never had a problem with the shoulder straps ripping off. Also, the pocket material stretches and you can hold a lot of stuff. The hip belt is not for putting weight on the hips it is for two hip pockets to put daily food. With two hip pockets it is easier to get food than a bottom pocket. Also, Zpacks is made in the USA and the palante is made somewhere with slave labor. The new version of the Zero comes in Ultra material and has two cords on the bottom to carry a sleep pad and there is bear canister straps to hold the can on the top of the pack.
They're made in Vietnam. They have really similar labour laws to the US. 8 hour work days, 12 days of leave a year, maternity leave, pto, holidays. I'm glad you're concerned about worker's rights, but something being made outside the US doesn't necessarily mean the labour is forced.
I do not care for Z-Craps anything. So far never worth the money. Excellent - had to subscribe. BTW, I wish I had bought any Pa' Lante pack instead of my Nero -- that was money flushed down the crapper.
I've been looking for a frameless pack in the 35 to 38 liter range recently and I'm most inclined toward the Nero and the Waymark EVLV packs. Both have the features I'm looking for. I must say, you would've been better off reviewing the Nero and Ultralight packs separately since they're like an apples and oranges comparison. You might have had something here if you had a more recent Nero made with ROBIC and compared it to a ROBIC Ultralight. Also, it seems the Nero has had some changes since you bought yours. According to the info on the Pa'lante site, the Ultralight is 26 liters so the 30 liter Sub Nero might've been a better pack for comparison. By the way, the Nero is 25 liters main body with 2.5 L each side pocket and 8 L back pocket. Pa'lante doesn't break down the volume on the Ultralight. I would probably not be inclined to buy anything from Pa'lante anyway because their website is horrible. It isn't particularly informative and looks horrible. When I see a terrible vendor website I have to wonder, if they couldn't get their site right, why should I expect them to get their product or service right. Hey, maybe their product is great and they simply lack a high level marketing sensibility. Got to say I'm leaning toward the Waymark. Yep.
2 years later palante has continued to dominate the cottage country backpack market constantly selling out of product leaving customers anticipating the next batches...website is exactly the same. So I guess its ok if you don't want one.
thx for that presentation but the main issue with Pa'lante : "SOLD OUT" ;)
Available now - just bought the v2 last week.
I have used the Nero for just over 5yrs. I had similar concerns regarding shoulder strap attach points. Be advised I have used the Nero slightly exceeding Zpacks recommended 20lb max. weight. Generally 22lb fully loaded an I can tell the audience there is no reason for concern. 5yrs and hundreds and hundreds of miles and still no obvious areas of concern. I do however recommend the accessory Zpack hip pads.
Thank you! I was torn between which one to get for my winter pack, so you convinced me to go with Palante. Bought the v2.
I have a zpacks nero and i agree with everything you way. I wonder why most reviews are always so positive. Everytime I pick it up I am afraid the shoulder straps will rip out, the side pocket material is not stretchy at all, the bit outer pocket is not stretchy, but the worst is the hip belt pocket which I have.. or slides off everytime you take the pack off. The dyneema will stay waterproof though.. you can just stick some tape on the inside..
I just ordered one of these but I was worried about the DCF so went with the Robic version, hopefully it's a bit tougher!
@@kriztofur the people who make backpacks are not smarter than we are.... so just have your tailor (the guys who fix your pants) make all changes/repairs you need
Pa'lante ultralight backpacks are created by Andrew Bentz and John Zahorian. These packs are not made for everyone. You need to put your base weight very light.
NO shit? Is that why it is ultra light? Doyng!
great video brother
5:24 The hip-belt is incredibly helpful while scrambling.
I've never had any of these issues with my yNero backpack, its DCF as well.
2つの良いとこどりのザックが出て欲しいなぁ。デザインはＺが個人的には良いし防水もＺ。パランテはなんといってもランニングザックのような使い勝手の良さ、フィッティング丿良さ工夫。
I have the Nero in DCF and in Robic. The Robic is way better 🙂
I've enjoyed your Nero and Sub Nero vids. Very helpful.
@@maxoblivion 🙂🙂👍👍
I put a lot of miles on my Zpack Nero and I never had a problem with the shoulder straps ripping off. Also, the pocket material stretches and you can hold a lot of stuff. The hip belt is not for putting weight on the hips it is for two hip pockets to put daily food. With two hip pockets it is easier to get food than a bottom pocket. Also, Zpacks is made in the USA and the palante is made somewhere with slave labor. The new version of the Zero comes in Ultra material and has two cords on the bottom to carry a sleep pad and there is bear canister straps to hold the can on the top of the pack.
They're made in Vietnam. They have really similar labour laws to the US. 8 hour work days, 12 days of leave a year, maternity leave, pto, holidays. I'm glad you're concerned about worker's rights, but something being made outside the US doesn't necessarily mean the labour is forced.
I do not care for Z-Craps anything. So far never worth the money. Excellent - had to subscribe. BTW, I wish I had bought any Pa' Lante pack instead of my Nero -- that was money flushed down the crapper.
I've been looking for a frameless pack in the 35 to 38 liter range recently and I'm most inclined toward the Nero and the Waymark EVLV packs. Both have the features I'm looking for. I must say, you would've been better off reviewing the Nero and Ultralight packs separately since they're like an apples and oranges comparison. You might have had something here if you had a more recent Nero made with ROBIC and compared it to a ROBIC Ultralight. Also, it seems the Nero has had some changes since you bought yours. According to the info on the Pa'lante site, the Ultralight is 26 liters so the 30 liter Sub Nero might've been a better pack for comparison. By the way, the Nero is 25 liters main body with 2.5 L each side pocket and 8 L back pocket. Pa'lante doesn't break down the volume on the Ultralight. I would probably not be inclined to buy anything from Pa'lante anyway because their website is horrible. It isn't particularly informative and looks horrible. When I see a terrible vendor website I have to wonder, if they couldn't get their site right, why should I expect them to get their product or service right. Hey, maybe their product is great and they simply lack a high level marketing sensibility. Got to say I'm leaning toward the Waymark. Yep.
2 years later palante has continued to dominate the cottage country backpack market constantly selling out of product leaving customers anticipating the next batches...website is exactly the same. So I guess its ok if you don't want one.