the fact that hyperbloom is still relevant to this day cuz it can most likely trivialize a half of abyss, i would say that furina has fallen off more than nahida cuz of the bullshit bond of life that chlorinde and arlecchino has. nahida mostly pops off at c2.
hoyoverse didnt abandoned her imo, hoyoverse just overtuned her kit to the fullest to make her relevant since her release, hoyoverse just babied nahida literally since release, players dont have to worry about nahida falling off cuz shes always gna be relevant i think she can be falling off when snezhnaya release cuz cryo has no reaction on dendro.
@@seanxhunter77 Furina did not fall off what lol, only 2 characters use bond of life and Furina's drain doesn't even interfere with anything as both of those characters can self heal
"falling off" sounds like the wrong phrase for what you're describing. If the abyss was getting harder in a way nahida couldn't handle, then it would apply. Instead, "left behind" seems better for what you're describing. Not any worse than before, but not any better.
i'd say "no longer a must pull " . falling off makes sense to me as in her value for players like me did go down but the wording is clickbaity for sure .
the newer dendro character also doesnt want her which wasnt the case before, she was always the most wanted in a dendro team, now it is not longer the case
Even though hyperbloom isn't as OP as before, it is still an extremely comfortable style to play that is low effort and highly effective, so I think Nahida's place is cemented just like Raiden's when it comes to people who value comfortability at relatively low effort while playing through Genshin
Dude never heard of strong low investment supports. Which are not really comparable to strong low investment dps. Neither is really better or worse than the other. I mean good for you if your team is carried by one dps but thats not how team building works.
@milla8632 Yeah, as an Arlecchino main, she’s really comfy to play imo. Her BoL honestly doesn’t have too much of an impact on her playstyle. My Kachina has died wayyy more times in just one Abyss cycle than Arlecchino ever has just by being at lvl 80 and up against the stupid gravity boss on 12-2-2
@@maxwu4145Do those two work with ONLY trash artifacts with EM stats/subs? Nothing goes lower iq/effort mode than plain Kuki/Raiden/electro trigger EM build.
Maybe they'll improve super conduct at some point, I rarely hear about that reaction. I think Cryo reactions overall need a reboost, and it'll probably start with Citlali and expand when we get to Snezhnaya with the Tsaritsa herself.
They are abandoning her lol. She was in meta because of carries like Alhaitham, but Kinich (with just 1 decent buffer) is better than alhaitham. Nahida is just worst than Yaoyao for Kinich.
No because that would require Hoyo to entirely move to transformative reaction damage. Nahida is "falling off" because she is a dendro exclusive support who was only meta dominant because every good team was a dendro team. She has like 3 teams but all of those 3 teams were top 5. Now she still has 3 teams but they aren't top 5 anymore. Furina has a billion teams and will only get more. If Mavuika is a support or subdps with off-field application then she will have amazing synergy with furina, if she is a dps then she will also have amazing synergy with furina. Nahida is a narrow character while Furina isn't.
The basis of these vids are the rage baits imo.Even tho the creator or the title says a certain character is falling off if enough people play the aformentioned character technically they've not fallen off.And to the guy above me I think the OP intended this as a joke..
I don't think so, Hydro is a good universal element that reacts with everything while Dendro is niche and entirely depends on its reaction multipliers which are just going to get powercrept by the 5.2 reaction buffs. Dendro would need more reactions added to remain competitive and we've seen how that went for Geo.
i really can see that, maybe hoyo will shadow nerf her, like venti or cryo case like making enemies that can make your team cant take any damage, so fanfare cant be trigger, and after maybe 20s your on field will die instantly, lol that will be hilarious
As I mentioned before, it is just that other team archetypes started catching up with Hyperbloom. It is not that she is falling off, other are catching up. Nahida is still Tier 0 and will always be.
the video seems to be saying that they have easily exceeded dendro teams. that's what he means by fell off . the others are not catching up. hes saying they have bypassed
Just the correction that no other team archetypes have come up, Hoyo just blew off power crept with things like Daddy and Dragon boy, i would not call that archetypes😂😂😂
they are *ahead of hyperbloom* , not "catching up". there are now teams that are not only stronger at floor, but ridiculously stronger with each inch of more investment unlike hyperbloom.
The other archetypes aren’t catching up to hyperbloom, but easily passing it in all honesty. If Nahida isn’t c2, a hyperbloom team just can’t realistically compete with the the likes of Mualani, Neuvillette, Arlecchino, Lyney, etc, at optimal performance. It’s still certainly a great archetype, but it’s not at all what is leading the game state at the current point. Hyperbloom is only going to get further left behind throughout Natlan and other regions, and alongside hyperbloom, dendro as a whole will be further left behind. The exception is characters like Kinich and Emilie, who are dendro, but don’t play any traditional dendro teams (spread, hyperbloom). Hyperbloom will certainly still be a strong, (usually) affordable option, but it’s objectively falling off in comparison to the recent meta characters. I’d also disagree heavily with the take that Nahida will always be T0. She just doesn’t have a place in any of the top teams currently. She’s already just barely hanging on to her position as one of the best characters imo, and only because of her flexibility. But if dendro as a whole continues to be outclassed, then Nahida will just also fall behind, easily dropping out of T0. She is optimal in exclusively dendro teams, and as they are falling off comparatively, so is Nahida.
It's very healthy for the game not to have a "must pull" character and give the chance to the players to invest in whatever they want. Easy to use DPS like Neuvillette are good for very casual players who might only want to beat the abyss for the rewards and aren't focused in building complex teams. People need to remember that this is a single player game with no PvP or ranked mode or competition among players whatsoever. Every player can enjoy the game in whatever way they want and making Nahida a little less dominant is great for everyone, even Nahida enjoyers.
Yea, I know unrelated but we see what happens with must pull units like in HSR. It feels impossible to play certain teams even if you dont have 1 certain party member
@@laurentuwu Yes, you are almost required to have Ruan Mei for super break and Robin for FUA (I use Sparkle instead and it's not the same). There are no 4 star options that could at least aliviate some of the pressure of "needing" to pull for some characters. Currently I can't beat Hoolay without Aventurine and I'm getting bored because I can't progress.
@@iNovak_ñ yea I resonate with you completely… I think that’s what i appreciate about genshin and a lot of ppl take for granted that you can have 4 party members that some people would consider T2-3 and still clear most content in the game with decent investment. but yea hsr has a problem, wish they wouldnt just keep powercreeping every single support and dps in the game (even though i love firefly)
@@laurentuwu The way I see it, HSR is a more competitive game, where big numers are paramount because that's almost all a unit can give as it is turn based (at least talking about DPS); unfortunately, this leads to faster powercreep to keep selling characters. I started the game just before Firefly's banner and got lucky enough to pull her and Ruan Mei, with HTB being free and having options to pull Gallagher in the banner, I had a really good team almost from the get go. However, getting a second team has been a headache because other characters that I like don't go well together (Sparkle, Kafka, SW). I felt the necessity to pull for Feixiao but playing her without Robin and Aventurine isn't as good (fortunately I was already planning on pulling for Aven). When I caught up to the story and all the side missions I started to play Genshin (previously I didn't have a device that could run it properly) and I inmediately loved the different vibe it gives. I'm very keen on building great teams and destroying the abyss, but the flexibility Genshin's teambuilding has is refreshing. I feel like I can use my favorite characters no matter what and even if they are not fit for the abyss, I can explore the vast world with them. I'm really enjoying it and I really hope HSR changes at least a little to give us more options instead of restraining us. Sorry for the long text.
As someone who does battle-stuff reluctantly (mostly for primos) and does NOT grind - I give myself 1 (and sometimes 2 - if I get annoyed at something) go-s at the abyss and that's... it. So easy/comfy characters like Neuvi and Nahida are my go tos. (Also, because they are my favorite characters in general, so building my teams around them just make sense!) At the end of the day, Genshin is relatively casual-friendly, and I am THANKFUL for that. I care mostly for the story/lore, world building, and exploration the most, so... yeah. People should play how they want and pull for whomever they want. The person who got me in the game started from the get-go and STILL mains Keqing to this day.
I get that this channel is for a very in-depth discussion and analysis of the power and quality of the characters and teams in Genshin, extremely meta focused and not at all casual, but if you can still "easily 36 star the abyss well under the time limit" with Nahida teams I wouldn't really say she's falling off because, even if she is worse than newer units, those newer units can't do any better than 36 stars on the abyss aside from bragging rights of clearing floors in 1 minute or less.
Well, Nahida isn't falling off. There's just other options. You can get her and won't disappoint, especially if you are a new player where your only Dendro option is Dendro Traveler and Collei
[5:53] As noted, *Nahida's* multiwave "problem" comes not from her, but from her teammates: _if_ you can swap back to her every 6s (and the wave isn't "shorter" than that) _then_ you can (re)apply Dendro as many times as needed; ...this compounds into her other "weaknesses", which are also all teammate related: She either wants a bazillion Electro applications for *Quicken* teams (with the likes of Fischl and Alhaitham) _or_ a bazillion Hydro applications _plus_ consistent Electro _and/or_ Pyro AoE applications for Bloom explosions, which have ceilings both in "damage per proc" (due to max reachable Elemental Mastery on the trigger) and "max procs per second" (due to how seed generation and elemental "aura" consumption work)... ... YET, I disagree with the observations made on the video as said "damage ceilings" are still _way_ above what 36-Staring Abyss asks from us, so any properly built Hyperbloom / Burgeon team is still meta enough - with "better" teams just "winning more" to the point of being overkill. ALSO, Nahida _still_ doesn't have a proper Burgeon trigger (outside of meme on-field Klee), and that could/should change with Mavuika's release, making for yet another Overpowered Dendro team. ... FINALLY, *Furina* (buffs + enough off-field hydro app on E for creating seeds) and *Yae* (EM scaling on E + enough off-field AoE electro application for keeping Quicken while causing Hyperbloom) make for the comfiest Quickbloom teammates available: _any_ 4th slot that complements this "core" - be it *Sigewinne* for healing, buffing and stalling, *Xilonen* for the extra res break, buffs and healing, *Ororon* for even more Aggravate and Hyperbloom stuff (as he is _supposedly_ a Fischl sidegrade that benefits from electro-charged) or even *Mavuika* in the future, for Burgeon and better Tri-Karma procs due to element roundup (as Pyro gives Nahida a ton of ATK) will only make it better / more accessible / comfier - as THE DAMAGE is ALREADY more than ENOUGH; While Mualani pushed Neuvillette's "damage ceiling" up while reducing the consistency, and Arlecchino just raised the floor on all other Pyro carries for being so easy to use and setup, Dendro pretty much has sidegrades on usability while keeping the damage quite consistent between teams - even when we compare Alhaitham "Spread" with Kinich "Burning". *TL;DR:* Nahida didn't get abandoned: it's just that the *Bloom* reactions ceiling was already hit long ago, so there won't be any "powercreep" happening there - unlike for Vaporize and Melt, that had a ton of room to grow. also Burgeon still isn't a thing.
What if hoyo released an electro carry that wasn't crafted in a lab with the sole intent of being extremely mid. Yeah hyperbloom and other transformative reactions have a damage cap but your main dps is still hitting numbers themselves in addition to that. Just that dendro and electro characters are scuffed to account for the reaction damage, that limiter should be taken off by now to account for powercreep elsewhere.
Obviously no character is “must pull” in a literal sense. When people say a character is must pull they aren’t saying that you can’t clear content without them. Most people would put both Kazuha/Xilonen in the top 5 for pull value, that’s the general sentiment they’re trying to get across when they describe them as must pull.
@@ronmexico7256 “Must pull” is still stupid terminology. You can’t just use a term and say “oh it doesn’t mean that.” It’s not hard to get across the idea that you think a character is very valuable without using objectively inaccurate terminology. For example, “Furina is a character that can benefit every account!” Is an objectively true statement, that gets across the sentiment without using any objectively false claims. Perhaps it’s just a me thing since that kinda stuff just peeves me lmao.
@@Glast04 I think some level of common sense is just presumed. For instance the phrase “must own” or “must buy” has been commonly used to sell items for nearly 100 years now. If someone is taking these phrases in the extreme literal sense, and believe their life will cease to function if they don’t obtain these items themselves, then the real issue is with those people not the phrase itself. Most people understand what “must buy/have/pull” is generally used for. It’s a figurative statement, which is pretty common practice in human dialogue.
@@ronmexico7256 Yea I get that, it’s still just wrong wording ultimately. As I said, maybe I’m just particularly sensitive to that nonsense, but it feels particularly worse in gacha games to use such terminology, especially when the term is often used towards newer players as a way to make recommendations. It just contributes to fomo and easily overhypes a character. The descriptor is just also incredibly lacking in nuance, and doesn’t tell you anything about the character besides they are apparently good. Yea, people are used to it atp, but that’s kind of the problem imo. It’s a nonsense term that obscures a character’s actual value, and easily leads to them being overrated, much like Raiden was and still is.
Nahida's falloff is part of planned obsolescence. Hoyo needs to sell us new shiny characters and they just need to outshine the old shiny characters, however good they were. There's only so many players that will "buy" new characters just because they're new and good looking.
Recency bias is strong with this one. Either that or you needed click bait. Regardless, Nahida literally can’t fall off if she is STILL irreplaceable in her teams. Emilie being more compatible with Natlan characters LITERALLY does not mean she’s more meta than nahida now. Just because other team comps with strong characters exist and nahida may not fit doesn’t mean her pull value decreases. If sumeru came out today and Natlan two years ago, you would be SO quick to change this narrative entirely. Because then it would be “omg shiny new hyper bloom!” Burning is falling off! Lmao. Does this mean you’re gonna say that neuvilette is “falling off” when cryo becomes meta after the cryo archon is released because he can’t fit on those new meta teams?? Lmao make it make sense. Or better yet, just let meta encompass more than whatever is the newest thing to release.
It's not recency bias if it's acknowledging powercreep. The meta encompasses not the newest teams, but the top 5, 10, maybe 15 teams (wherever you can draw a clearer line). It just so happens that characters like Neuvillette and Mualani now take up more slots in those top teams, pushing Dendro teams and Nahida out of the meta.
nothing could stop me from loving the dook-dook radish! i started playing when she first came out, she was my first 5 star. and now shes c6! nahida lovers unite!
Jello didn't say anything controversial at all. the multipliers in the new units post-Neuvilette, multiply by the buffing power of xilonen and furina, make it easy to exceed the ceiling of transformative reactions
The best improvement for Nahida and Nahida teams and dendro teams in general is just getting her C2. One of the best and most valuable early constellations that secures the future of dendro for unforeseeable future. Not that you need it. Hyperbloom is still broken.
This C2R1 Nahida, with a great build, doing like 65K spread hits with her E. C2R1 Yelan, also great build, doing big damage. If we get a good 5* replacement for Xingqiu and Kuki that team can shoot up to Neuv level anytime. Even like this, its already insanely strong and it free the op supports for Neuv premium team to do 120k+ hits (and 100k+ Furina crabaleta hits).
@@Tnscla I'll be honest, I think Nahida's signature is awful. I'll get R5 sacrificial fragments or Evenstar at as high of a refinement as I possibly can before even thinking about getting her signature weapon.
I totally agree with you about this. Without raising kuki lv90 to lv100 by a new world level, the only way make hyperbloom can get over the higher hp monster way /boss is make this team access more buff but with kuki/nahida the current artifacts set of them is decent so it will not make some good upgrade about dps scaling and xingqiu I think a good sub dps set like emblem is more helpful than a support set which can do single target dmg per rotation around 1-200k. So getting c2 nahida is good way to boost dps ( ~20%) without a 4th super buffing teammate / high scale dps . I think about this problem from the start of Fontaine era so I had rolled nahida for c1 and now get her c2 for keeping the brainrot style coming up with meta
You could pull 2 new characters with that instead who will perform better than her and can still improve further while Nahida hits her cap at c2 unless you wanna whale. Natlan has been releasing very self sufficient dps characters that get even better with more natlan characters coming out.
@@luminous3558 not every new character offers the same value as a C2 Nahida. And I know people love playing broken main DPS characters but for some of us, we need to like everything about a main DPS before pulling for them. And I don't like Natlan designs or gameplays so far. The supports are kinda hard to skip because of Cinder City but Mualani, Kinich and Chasca are some of the easiest skips of my life.
She is still one of the most impactfull pulls for new accounts imo. Quicken, Aggravate, Hyperbloom and more. Having her alone makes these so much better to play and allows for so much comfort. Units like Furina, Kazuha, Xilonen make your teams better but they do not offer a good starting point for a new player. Neuv and Nahida are imo the 2 biggest 5* pulls a fresh account could make.
Bro had one of the takes of all time again lmao. Either way she's easily one of the characters people should pull on their account at some point. Due to her raising the ceiling of the entire dendro element and it's reactions.
and the fact that she enables an entire host of dendro teams, means that she's up there in tier 0 for greatest value in fun. she's an all-in-one toy that offers a lot of play for her cost. and the cost-to-fun ratio should be the real and PRIMARY metric for pull value in a world of finite primogems
He literally said he's not saying she's bad or that she's gonna completely fall off. All he said is that she's falling off since there haven't been many new synergies, and more and more teams are comparing to hyperbloom or are better.
He's not wrong, though. In Sumeru and early Fontaine, the "f2p" staples were National and hyperbloom. Now, the staple is Neuv on one side, and typically another Natlan/Fontaine carry, like Arl or Navia on the other, and, for older players, some older carry they've built a strong team for. And yes, Nahida is still great if you want to play those dendro teams. But the incentive to play those dendro teams isn't as strong as before.
literally came back from a year long break on genshin(came back this years lantern rite) and my first goal was to get her and i only had baizhu at the time. now i have kinich, emilie, and tighnari. so worth the pull, and allows me to do sm more in the game
Verry genuine video. All being said here, if you are day one into the game, want to wish on a banner and never wish again to progress through entire story (easily), that is the one banner. This plus one side of Spiral Abyss pretty much secured. That is how hyperbloom works.
I personally think that characters in general don't get powercrept. I just think that people think the game is "solved" and therefore don't try anything new. So old characters' potential remains hidden. You can see this in the fact that every team follows the same rotations and archetype: - Hypercarry - Dendro reactions (Because in Quicken it don't matter who triggers and HB/Burgeon you control the trigger) - Reverse Vape/Melt (Because the reaction coefficient helps you control the trigger) Then (Skill + Burst + swap)x3 into carry/driver. For Nahida, most of her kit besides the Dendro app goes unnoticed. I'm sure there has to be some hidden tech/rotation that can push her and her team's damage/versatility up. She has the EM buff, she can extend her uptime up to 25 seconds, increase her dendro app and her personal damage. People just have to break the mold and think outside the box. Maybe experiment with timing/rotations to get double hyperbloom, build her damage up with some teamwide ATK/EM buffs. Maybe support for simultaneous reactions (Overvape, Thundering Furries, Fridgebloom, some Taser shenanigans). She does kinda suck a little for multiwave fodder content tho.
You can double down on your Kazuha statement all you want. Even if he's not needed on as many teams as before, every account still benefits from having a Kazuha. Unless his grouping gets to Venti levels of usefulness, he is still meta. Some still put him above Xilonen tho I wouldn't go that far, but they are similar enough... 🤷
Dude what are you even on, he never said Kazuha is not benefitting accounts. Kazuha is a character that has gotten so much positive resonance from players that people like you are in disbelief as soon as competition comes up or when their weaknesses are showing. Xilonen has healing, making her great defensively and enabling Furina, unconditional multi wave res shred which is a lot better than grouping in recent abyss twelves, longer buff uptime, works with an additional element being Geo. All of this makes her more modern, complete, flexible and thus more future proof. Kazuha has grouping and can apply elements for certain setups like aggravate or to break shields. His grouping has fallen off and you have to blind to not see that. The only abysses where his grouping felt very relevant was 4.5 and 5.1 which were both during his banner. He’s not unbeatable and stop pretending like he isn’t…
@@HonestToCritic Your comment is just unnecessary, you criticise him for things he would agree with. I think you’re on the same page as him. Kazuha and his grouping are not necessary anymore and he has better competition but he’s still beneficial for an account
I think there are two factors at play. 1) Certain characters, like Cyno, can't afford to swap off. 2) In most of the single player content (because Abyss is 1x per month), enemies die too fast. This means that her elemental skill, even with its low cool down, isn't available again for the next wave, and that, for QoL reasons, there's no reason to swap to her, when you can just kill the mobs like that anyway. Basically, it isn't that she's bad at multiwave. It's that most enemies have way too low hp compared to the damage we're routinely dealing these days.
My issue is more because everything die before she get her skill again. They should stop with multiwaves and gave us more tanky ennemies but without multiwaves. So the same dps check is ok, but just less waves.
If it bugs you in wave content, you can always put deepwood on sm like Kuki to shred res even when Nahida's E is not on enemies. Or even on dps themselves. It works fine.
Its interesting to say nahida is falling off from the way I've seen it is that since fontaine's release *(As You Said)* they stopped giving dendro too much attention due to how strong nahida turned out to be so they released more forms of DMG from DPSes that outscale hyperbloom at somewhat lower investments To me nahida just stopped growing currently but compared to every element in the game dendro still has the most room for growth and I'd say nahida hasn't reached her peak yet but her peak might not be that high as time goes on because I'm sure the devs will continue this trend for a while longer so we'll see So in one way nahida "Falling Off" slightly but at the same time she stopped "Growing" she's stagnated In other words I agree with the video
And people ignore her C2 for some reason. You dont need to pull more characters, just get more Nahidas and boom you Dendro team is meta again. Keqing and Tighnari doing great with Nahida C2R1 support and they are standard characters.
They said this is just their "opinion" so don't take everything they said as "true". 1:43 the best "f2p teams" still uses nahida to this day (and i mean the low investment f2p teams, not the "f2p eventually" teams they mentioned). basically no character has been added to replace nahida in the hyperbloom/burgeon/super-bloom teams. Nahida is still the premiere option there as she's basically the highest dendro applying character to this day. 5:30 this is statement is a bit misleading. Genshin has not released chars that synergizes well with nahida then of course those teams won't need her. That doesn't mean she's magically not the BiS in the respective teams she specializes in. She's still "BiS" in (f2p teams mentioned above and) aggravate teams if we're talking about just pure damage, as nahida has no interrupt resist like baizhu or kirara, and non-flexible on-field chars struggle with nahida reapplication in multi-wave, but this is besides the point. Clorinde aggravate, yae aggravate, Sethos aggravate etc. basically any dendro team that uses fischl also wants nahida (again if we're talking just pure damage). i know what they meant by "falling off" that recently genshin has been releasing chars that nahida is not BiS in. But does that mean all her previous teams that she's BiS in is now rendered obsolete? of course not. Basically genshin did not do anything to buff hyperbloom/burgeon/super-bloom niche as they saw how good it is as a baseline. On another note, Nahida has always been this character that made the floor damage higher, but not necessarily the ceiling. Mualani vape, yes you can slot nahida in, is she the BiS in terms of highest damage? nope, go do the speedrun teams where you use xilonen and kazuha 😂. Neuvillette hyper-vape (neuv, raiden, dehya, nahida) does this team deal good damage? yes its a mixture if neuv damage and transformative damage. Is this neuvillette's ceiling damage? nope. Same can be said for hyperbloom, is it enough to 36* abyss? yes. But is the ceiling for hyperbloom team the highest? nope I can go on and on discussing about this. like the point of nahida is not cause you want the highest damaging team, but more so you can get the damage baseline much quicker than any other teams. This is why i distinctively say "f2p teams" and "f2p eventually teams" both are f2p but one you can achieve faster and easier (yes even with the new sets, you still need good artifacts to make the character feel good, you can't just put the correct mainstat and you magically have a character that outdmages "f2p teams") edit: tldr Nahida didn't "fall off", but more like the teams she's good at has been "stagnant" as they're already really good as a baseline. Improving a really achievable damage-floor would be kinda bad for the game, as any DPS is immediately playing "catch-up" to that baseline which was already kinda hard to achieve for old DPS', what more if genshin actually improved it. So no, "stagnant" does not mean "fall off" in this context.
I use Nahida for hyperbloom and love her with Beidou, Xinqui and Thoma, since I got her C2. I especially use her as a shredder with deepwood, however since I got Kinich C2 and Emilie C6, they use strong artefacts and shred res so they’re just more efficient
Lol thats funny, I was just thinking about our little Radish today and how strong she is at C0 even in Natlan. Plus she is adorable, especially with the JP VA. Although you are right, I couldn't imagine my accounts without her.
Hoyo “abandoned” Nahida and yet she is one of the most used characters in Abyss. Even the new fav Mualani with her 2Million damage is sitting in B tier just after one patch.
@@alirehman4858 so sucrose is one of the worst units in the game ? Fischl is mediocre af ? Siegewinne is better than Mualani, Clorinde and Kokomi ? Itto is better than Xiao ? Dehya is the best standard 5*, surpassing tighnari ? Dehya is better than Nilou ? Navia is better than Arle ? Chiori is better than Nahida and Yelan ? Lyney is worse than Ayaka ? If u still consider usage rates = meta after me pointing out all of this bs, then ur have peak delusion and cant think for one second.
@@alirehman4858 what determines meta is clear speeds and results. As such, Mualani has by far the fastest clear speeds out of any dps at every investment. Hence why she is the best dps in the game. Nahida and dendro in general with the exception of kinich teams, have slow clear times and gets outpaced fast by crit scaling dps units on decent builds. Hence why she is falling off.
I'm about 3-months into the game and have been following your "If you have these 5-Stars you BEAT THE GAME" video advice. I've been super lucky getting Yelan, Kazuha, and Xilonen early (and Raiden at soft pity), and only lost my first 50/50 super early to Jean, and was really looking at grabbing Nahida in the upcoming banner based on your past advice. Considering your must-have 3, choose 3, and pick any 2 layout, this feels like a 180 on the original plan with Nahida no longer being "essential", yet Neuvillete who was a tier below is somehow easier to build and a better pick now. You should consider updating this video and fairly quickly considering that not only do we got Xilonen, Kinich, Mualani, Emilie, Clorinde and Arlecchino (and Xianyun?) since that video came out, but they also had a massive impact on previously released characters such as Navia, and Neuvillette in particular. Most importantly with the Xilonen banner live (for a few more hours) and Nahida, Neuvillette, Zhongli and Mauvika around the corner, this would be extremely useful info to have for anyone that started playing in the past half a year or so.
Oh Jello... must we do this song and dance every time you release a video like this? Let me break it down by points. 1. Saying Nahida has fallen off is like saying Alhaitham has fallen off and that is PATENTLY FALSE. Alhaitham hyperbloom is top 5 Strongest DPS in Genshin Impact since release and Nahida is best in slot on ALL OF HIS TEAMS, so just by that nature alone... you have failed. 2. When Dendro released, it rocked the very foundation of the game. Dendro made geo obsolete (Not a single geo Sumeru character exists), K*ll3d cryo outright, knocked anemo down, replaced pyro as the "DPS element" (burning reaction being the weakest), brought Electro back from the grave and crown Hydro as the King of Elements. This was no small thing and throughout version 3 and 4 dendro DOMINATED all content. The devs, understandably so, made the decision to bring back some of these other elements dendro had, essentially, replaced with the whole nightsoul mechanic and the cinder city set and you took that as dendro being a garbage element now, only because the devs did not want people to forget about other elements. Now you might say "I am not saying dendro has fallen off!", Jello... Nahida IS DENDRO and your thumbnail and title says it all. All that happen was that the other elements have now been raised to be ON PAR with Dendro. You got so used to Dendro being THE HIGHEST DAMAGE IN THE GAME, that you fail to realize what the devs are actually trying to do here. 3. Your video is going to age like milk left out in a bayou swamp when Ifa comes out and the new dendro nightsoul mechanics are introduced with the new artifacts sets of version 5.5 or 5.7 when the Collective of Plenty tribe of Natlan is released.
Saying Nahida has fallen off is like saying Arle is like saying Arle or neuvi have fallen off beacuse Mualani has a higher damage potential.. it's not that a character has "fallen off" essentially, it's more so that there is now a different type of enemies in the abbyss.
i think u are just splitting on semantics and not actually addressing the video. his point is that there was a sharp powercreep post-Neuvilette release, and it's obvious why. hoyo needed to surpass hyperbloom to make their characters attractive to spend on
I feel like dominant doesn't matter the main goal is to clear the abyss and it does it fine for very low amounts of investments its definitely the route for free to play as you only need 1 5star
I understand the Points made but "Nahida is getting WORSE" is a bit of a reach IMO- I feel like Genshin players will never get the feeling of a unit ACTUALLY getting worse and falling off (Maybe only Eula mains), I play hi3 and its sad to see all our old valks straight up not being used anymore because of the newer ones just powercreep everyone, unless they have INSANE investment. People started using Nahida less because we now have more options than dendro, dendro teams in itself are not bad
Great analysis on how the game has made resin investment less and less of a requirement to have a team 36☆ ready with new characters. Never thought of it that way!
Being an archon I doubt she’ll completely fall off. Venti is still way better than most give him credit for. I’ll be investing in Nahida’s c2 and hopefully some Kuki cons 🤩
She haven't fallen off, she's just still in the exact same floor as ever, just like your updated guide, be the same for a long time and that they release characters that dont compete with her in the same playground doesnt make her fall off, also she has been the same since the beggining, high dps teams while invested already out-DPS hyperbloom on Nahida release things like HuTao teams always did this), the thing is just like you said, the resin investment, and not everyone wanted to invest resin efficiently, so we cannot conclude that because players are lazy to grind artifacts then the reality of invested artifacts didnt existed since before. In the present day if you want to play many characters Nahida is still your way to go, Keqing, Cyno, Alhaitham, Tighnari, Yae, Nilou, Clorinde among others, Furina release improved Nahida teams because now you can now also invest on the raw poer of talent and resin investment in those characters Nahida supported, "quickbloom" got stronger, how we appreciated dendro was not just "amount of hyperbloom cores generated / amount of hyperbloom cores detonated in X seconds" now investment took much more weight (it was like this since before, people was just blinded about have a easy to get floor that stoped invest more without think they needed more), dendro make many people conformist about resin investment, and that's not a problem with Nahida's performance, and even if you have the oprion you can upgrade Nahida to C2 if you think "she's falling off", also yeah, they released Emilie and Kinich, they releasing 2 (just 2) characters that literally coexists and dont share any teammate in between them with Nahida teams in 99% of scenarios, 100% doesnt make any changes on Nahida's performance
i think u are splitting hairs on semantics. if u replace "fall off" with "not updated", then u wouldn't need to write an essay. once she's updated (e.g. a mavuika burgeon?) she is no longer "not updated". ur reacting to semantics and not the video itself cuz he actually agrees with you if u watch the video
I think it’s mainly the enemy line up that’s nerfing nahida. Just like how venti was king of cc, nahida is queen of pseudo cc with her chain skill, but it’s more effective the more enemies you have. I remember abyss chambers where 8 of those specter bloons that fly everywhere it was so annoying to group and nahida could handle those with ease. We have had abyss chambers with fatui that spawn cincin’s which adds more enemies which helps nahida do more reactions and amplifies her damage. With Fontaine, we get like 4 waves of like 2 enemies each so it really nerfed the effectiveness of nahida because they don’t spawn all at once or in bigger groups.
Friendly reminder that Neuvilette also doesn't deal "Neuvilette levels of damage." He "requires" full rainbow team before constellations. Which means he is either C1 with 3 of the best supports in the game or C0 using Hyperbloom or some other broken reaction. Or the spin bug. I'm still waiting for Hoyo to buff those Fatui Operatives so the "downside" they gave him is actually a downside. Much love. The Anti Otter-Glazing gang.
@@suzunome47 Man some of y’all just have zero comprehension or understanding of nuance huh? When did he even once imply that Nahida is trash? And calling JELLO a meta slave? Out of every cc? Istg you can’t make this up 💀💀💀
@@infrnlmssh9719 Neuvillette's best team at c0 is the same as his best team at literally all constellation levels. Neuvillette/Furina/Xilonen/Kazuha (double Hydro if you didn't notice). You know what else is better than Hyperbloom for c0 Neuvi? Neuvillette/Furina/Bennett/Xiangling (double Hydro/double Pyro and still better than Hyperbloom). He certainly doesn't "require" a rainbow team. In fact, he doesn't even require a team at all. On his release, people 36 starred Abyss with c0 Neuvillette holding a craftable 4 star weapon and no teammates. You don't beat glazing with more glazing, by the way.
@@alexanderericson8628 I'm still shocked at the quality differences. Her animations, depth and voice acting felt like another level. Natlan is fire so far. 🔥 You can kind of feel we are moving towards the "end" and that they have competition.
usually like your videos, but saying Nahida is falling off is just straight clickbait and honestly just annoying and a lie. Nahida is still almost the essential character for low investment. She can still make any dendro focused team easily clear abyss whereas a lot of other teams require more investment. Just because there is DPS that can clear the content quicker doesn’t mean it takes her niche ability which is being able to take a low investment low effort team and make it work. Other teams being able to keep up is good it makes so there is more variety than everyone playing the same team. We should celebrate people being able to play what they want instead of just trying to clickbait lies so people feel like they need certain characters.
these types of videos are inherently bad I remeber when sumeru was released everyone was doomposting about how kazuha fell off and its still going on in natlan its now nahidas turn and maybe next year we will get videos like how furina is useless
this one is a very good take. regarding on hyperbloom future, i do believe that hyperbloom is already stable at a high ceiling enough that it does not need anymore buffs to get back in the game. its already good enough to stay on top.
I'm pulling for her C2. She becomes slightly more relevant in the burning slot. Oddly enough, I have been having a good time playing Tighnari in a burning team. It's triple dendro with Bennet, Emilie and Nahida. I know Dehya or Xiangling make so much more since for either resonance, damage or IR but I thoroughly enjoy watching the enemies health bar slowly, but consistently widdle down, even while taking a flurry of talent damage. My Emilie is C2 R1 and my Tighnari is C3 so maybe my perspective is too skewed but, I thoroughly enjoy pure burning teams and the reaction.
I have C2 Nahida and has destroyed everything with ease with her. I honestly don't ever see a need for me to pull another Dendro character ever again lol.
Fallen off? You mean, the teams she works with are still the/one of the best. I still use her in every new abyss since i got her. For me she hasn’t fallen off she just works with the team i have her on every abyss reset.
Could you try to value character strength at higher constellations for older characters that had multiple reruns? I started last year and think of going for her constellations instead of wishing for new characters to replace the old. You value character strength in clearing the Spiral Abyss but I think it doesn’t matter. I’ve been told anyone can clear especially if we invest and have multiple constellations or 5 star weapons. The spiral abyss now is 18 minutes of content once a month that rewards a single ten pull once every 3 months. I don’t think wishing for a single 5 star just for that is worth it. Let alone the fact we need 8 characters to try it. Looking only at C0 is relevant to people who never got the character before but there are many veteran players that did. For us C2 could be the same primogem investment as C0 because we already have copies.
1- he talked about pulling for constellations in this video... 2- what's the point of these videos if not for SA? Like, are you expecting videos for the strength of characters against overworld Saurians? And SA is 800 Primogems a month, so that's every 2 months not 3. 3- if you find the need for 8 characters prohibitive... You probably need horizontal investment, not vertical. 4- Investment is not infinite. Resin is a finite resource. 'Anyone can clear abyss with enough investment' is misleading, the amount more you'd have to farm for a Hypercarry Raiden vs a Hypercarry Neuvillette is meaningful. (Note these comments of mine are coming from one of the most vertically-invested F2P players.)
Rather than 'Falling Off', i prefer to say 'Can't Keep Up'. Reason? Neuvilette off course. With Natlan Character release, rather than stay at his old teamcomp, his team just get more & better. While Nahida stay at her strong yet old niche, 2U dendro application team.
3.0 - Dendro(Nahida) lowered the requirment of how to 36 star. It didn't raise the ceiling, it made the ceiling more obtainable. 4.0 - Fountaine uped the ceiling with Nuev and Aler and w/ multiwave introduced into the Abyss. 5.0 - Natlan we're seeing the ceiling raised once again however not with single chars but w/ a combination of chars. We all know the Abyss ceiling will continue to be raised (creating pull incentives) By the time we get to Abyss 5.7 and 5.8 will hyperbloom still work? That's the real question. By 5.7 will a C0 Nahida, C6 XQ, C2 Kuki and C6 Fischl be able to 36? Maybe yes maybe no. But objectively it's probably better to spend the 80 pulls on a Mauvika con instead of Nahida C2 or Hutao C1. I think everyone gets that newer chars will have an easier time with future Abysses. Ulimately it comes down to Hoyo. I mean they made Genshin, they can sure figure this out. We absloutely love these chars. I'm sure they will find a way to buff old chars. In fact they have been doing exactly that with the likes of Xianyun (Diluc). I wouldn't worry too much about the fall of Dendro. Eventually Venti will get a buff too, you just wait and see.
Altri im for sure biased bc she’s been my main since I pulled her: when I got her, I was about AR 45 or sm, playing on mobile and a very skill issue player that hates combat. After a while of building her she (w a hyperbloom team) can carry me thru left everything in the game. Everything. Love my radish 💚
This. 100% Correct Take! I own both Fully built @ C0 and I forgot to use Xilonen in Abyss. I 36-star with Nahida+Yelan+XQ+Kuki and Arlechino+Zhongli+KAzuha+Bennett. I Sure will forget to use Xilonen in the Future again. LOL
Jello, big fan, here for a while But I think a better way to phrase this is "Nahida is not the overwhelming meta presence she used to be, because they are focusing on other reactions."
The problem is that the enemies in abyss nowadays have insane amount of HP! The same Nahida team that I used to comfortably 36 star the abyss cannot now even complete one part of a chamber in 2 minutes. It's the same treatment as Venti. They overtuned him back then, and then nerfed him to the ground, they are doing the same with Nahida. While she still is usable she is definitely falling off! Idk if this is an issue with hoyoverse itself, as the same problem exists in HSR and i might say it's much much worse there, or gacha games in general are very poor at balancing the characters and the enemies and the game in general.
Vids like these make me laugh as someone whos still doing the main story quest in genshin like "idc about the abyss an the endgame i just wanna breeze past the sameru an natlan quest even easier then i already can" lol
I’ve seen people defuse bombs with less care than gacha game content creators trying not to upset their viewers by suggesting their characters are anything less than optimal
Nahida was my first limited 5* after I returned to Genshin after 2.5 years, she literally carried me through the game in a budget hypefridge team and I have to say she's great for people just starting out, even more so now with her crazy good banner coming up. But I do have to admit I don't use her as much as I used to, because I got characters like Furina, Arlecchino etc. So persay I wouldn't say "she's fallen off", it depends on your account as you said a couple times - if you're low investment, or you're just starting out, she's amazing. If you have two to three main DPS characters, hyperbloom might not exactly be where to invest your primos.
This video exemplifies how character discussions by CCs have become so stale and annoying to watch. So many CCs seem to think that just because Neuvillete is a thing, there is no merit whatsoever in playing anything else. They create this false dichotomy between Neuv and the rest of the characters, even though there may be not overlap at all in their teams (and totally disregarding the fact that all endgame content like Abyss, theatre, combat events will have you build multiple teams). Neuv was truly the worst thing that happened to not just the game but also to its community.
I feel like the more time passes, the more the archon from the older elements fall. Like Raiden, which I feel like she is not enough nowadays at c0 compared to other dps's
But why look at c0 for old characters? Many players aren’t new and could potentially get multiple constellations of the same character because they had many reruns. I doubt old players continue to wish for new characters after they collected old ones. But maybe I’m wrong
@@ThePenguinsKing I agree, good constelations increase the meta potential of the characters. Even nowadays Raiden's c2 is still really good. Nahida also become a monster with her c2.
@@ThePenguinsKing or better yet, why spend even more on old units that have been done and dusted when for the same price u can get new toys that are as powerful as a C2 old unit, straight out of the gate
@haruhiiragi6324 Or even better, if you have C2 Raiden and C1 Hu Tao you can skip all dpcs for 2 years, pull broken supports at C1-C2 and outperform clowns who pull for every new shiny toy at C0.
11:12 can someone explain how is there Venti in T3 and Sucrose in T1 ? shouldn't it be the other way around ? or was Venti nerfed so much so now he is that much worse then 4 star character like Sucrose ? 😅 I started playing this game like 6 months ago so I haven't had chance to play with Venti yet, only with Sucrose but I though that Venti will be better since he is 5 star limited character and even anemo archon
Most enemies are immune to the suction/grouping mechanic nowadays, Venti shines mostly on AoE scenarios with small enemies that are group-able. But since most challenging content nowadays consist of boss enemies that are immune to grouping and freeze venti contribution to the team is no longer good enough. Most teams will benefit more in replaching venti with a res shredder or sub dps since HP get increase and higher dps checks with each new nation. Abyss recently having 300% HP multiplier is not helping venti as well. As for your last sentence, yes venti is an archon but was the first limited character to be released, his power was very strong at the time of his release but as the game gets older higher dps checks are a requirement and his kit was balanced around the 1.0-2.0 era when players did 20-30k crits while today players do 300k-500k crits on higher invested characters.
In my opinion, the only limited 5-star character competing with Venti as the absolute worst limited 5-star in the game is Eula, and it's because her meta value lives in the sewers. If you love Venti and want to get him, don't let his complete lack of meta involvement stop you. But you should know that you're probably never going to consider using him if you're thinking in terms of using strong units in strong teams. The type of enemies they've put into the high floors of Spiral Abyss for years have been enemies that counter Venti's power specifically and his synergistic teams in general.
While I do agree that Nahida has a bit less account value (but that's also true for every character, simply because we have more strong off-fielders to pick from now), I do think you're off in a few ways. You're overlooking the power of her C1. It's every bit as good as the others and their C1s you've mentioned, and fills the same role as power improvement + QoL. Lowering the ICD on her elemental skill procs and boosting its damage, as well as the extended duration on her burst, it does a ton for her. Meanwhile, her C2 doesn't really matter, because of the speed at which we already kill things. As far as multiwave content, it isn't that Nahida is bad at it. She's actually good at it... unless the waves die too fast. And right now, they die too fast. So fast that it doesn't just negatively impact Nahida, but all sorts of characters. Like in the Sumeru event running right now, I was killing mobs so fast I basically couldn't utilize any melee attacks, because by the time I'd figured where the enemy was, Yae and Chiori had killed it already. And just think about what I'm saying there... anyone that has to move to hit an enemy is near worthless. WL9 isn't enough, and we really need an hp multiplier for mobs in events. We just have too many strong buffers and off-field DPS right now that mob hp is too low in a lot of parts of the game. And speaking of those buffers, Dendro is suffering from the "not PECH" issue that has traditionally hindered geo as well. Basically, Xilonen doesn't help dendro or anemo, and both will suffer it. Emilie and (c1) Chiori were equal. Now? Chiori smokes Emilie. Now, Emilie will somewhat close the gap when a Natlan character that's dendro team friendly shows up to wear the Scroll set, but dendro and anemo are going to need a Xilonen level buffer to be relevant. Not a hyperbloom or the like one. A straight up all dendro damage gets buffed one.
her C1 is not that strong because in most current nahida teams she doesnt use her burst (its a dps downgrade). the C2 however is a big numbers increase
@@renren.focalorsme Except people seem to want that up to 250 EM she provides, which requires her burst. Her C1 also buffs her ability to deal damage against spread out enemies, and her teams typically lack a grouper, because those are anemo. It's a factor often overlooked, because theorycrafters cannot factor in everything, and so they often gravitate toward "big number" scenarios, leading them to overlook other valuable aspects of kits. And crazy big numbers aren't as valuable as they were these days, because overkill is increasingly becoming an issue, thanks to the crazy buffers and hard hitting carries. And that also negatively impacts her C2, because the speed at which we kill means even her low cooldown elemental skill isn't fast enough, and to get the def debuff, you first have to hit them with 2 things already (so they're often already going to die just like that...or already dead anyway). Now, I'm not saying her C2 isn't better than her C1. But both her C1 and C2 are up there with the standards of the latest characters, where generally c1 offers less raw power, but some nice QoL, and C2 offers straight up power.
tbh, it's not Nahida falling but just the dendro element in general, and since she is bis in almost every dendro comp, she had to follow. Still, dendro may not be top meta anymore, but when it works it's still very solid imo.
I guess it's a pattern now that archons, considered the strongest characters in meta when their region comes eventually fall off like raiden. I just really hope this never happens with furina but i guess it's impossible for fontaine characters keeping up on top for the next 2 years 😭
Hyperbloom is already cracked they need to buff spread and aggrivate with Iansan being a quicken buffer. Giving a nahida back her throan. Especially nahida c-2 which im throwing the 333 fates ive saved over 7 months for ❤
For people watching: He means Nahida was once top 3 for building powerful teams, but now there are more alternatives as well. She is still amazing, but there are also other amazing characters.
NEW/FTP PLAYERS BE AWARE AND IGNORE THIS VIDEO. C0R0 Nahida + 2 4* in her banner + random EM crap = full meta team. C0R0 Neuv without Furina, Xilonen/Kazuha and good crit artefacts? Good luck reaching even budget hpb clearing speed.
Ofcourse, if you have good artifacts on main dps, with good cr cd ratio, and your team consists of fontane’s dps like neuvi/arle and you have furina, and 2nd team you have mualani/kinich as dps with mavuika as bis on release, and you already have good cr/cd on artifacts, them skip nahida. I totally agree. But if you dont, good cr/cd on dps takes months, or even upto whole year. I can speak for myself, i pulled hutao and ayaka in fontane,(i know, i was new, and just looking at yt hyped vids i pulled. Now i wish i went for fontane chars) i took a break between 4.3-4.7, till this day, my best cr/cd is 53/165. You pick any avg f2p showcase etc yt vid, even with 4 star weapons, they have near 200 cd with above 60cr. I cant achieve that even after so long. Thats the pain point. Thats where i need nahida. I can just give nahida 800 em, kuki 1000em, which is way easier, infact i have whole setup ready already, and it took like 1 week, and i was passively doing it, and i am good to go. Easy 1 meta team ready, whose dps is onpar with yt f2p vids, and clears abyss easily. Most RUclipsrs who make vids like skip nahida, hyperbloom is not higest dps team anymore etc dont understand how hard it is for most of us casuals to get good cr/cd artifacts just for 1 dps. Since its pure rng, it might take someone 4-6 months or 1 year too just to get equal stats to that f2p ytuber’s f2p avg build. Its the hard truth. In that situation, is having nahida team, just as backup, is so much to ask? She can be build as meta on day 1 itself, then you are good. Then keep chasing other characters.
SHE'S STILL GREAT but she's no longer as dominant as she once was. This banner is still super high value~
the fact that hyperbloom is still relevant to this day cuz it can most likely trivialize a half of abyss, i would say that furina has fallen off more than nahida cuz of the bullshit bond of life that chlorinde and arlecchino has. nahida mostly pops off at c2.
hoyoverse didnt abandoned her imo, hoyoverse just overtuned her kit to the fullest to make her relevant since her release, hoyoverse just babied nahida literally since release, players dont have to worry about nahida falling off cuz shes always gna be relevant i think she can be falling off when snezhnaya release cuz cryo has no reaction on dendro.
@@JelloImpact too afraid to make the huturd falling off video, so picks on hyperbloom and poor little Nahida
@@seanxhunter77 Furina did not fall off what lol, only 2 characters use bond of life and Furina's drain doesn't even interfere with anything as both of those characters can self heal
@@jonnyplayer8396three but we don’t talk about the third one…
Ill never abandon the precious little radish
FBI open up 😂
I usually use her before since Dendro reactions are so op. I rarely use her now, but I still love her playstyle
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You like toddlers I guess
Bro this is the only reason I might get Alhaitham just to make a crazy/best team with/for Nahida cause her burst and skill look so fking awesome.
"falling off" sounds like the wrong phrase for what you're describing. If the abyss was getting harder in a way nahida couldn't handle, then it would apply.
Instead, "left behind" seems better for what you're describing. Not any worse than before, but not any better.
it gets the clicks
i'd say "no longer a must pull " . falling off makes sense to me as in her value for players like me did go down but the wording is clickbaity for sure .
it is possible to clear current abyss with hyperbloom? I'm thinking of to pull for little radish
the newer dendro character also doesnt want her which wasnt the case before, she was always the most wanted in a dendro team, now it is not longer the case
@@saura_7yes it is, nahida, kuki xingqiu and yelan team can clear any content
Even though hyperbloom isn't as OP as before, it is still an extremely comfortable style to play that is low effort and highly effective, so I think Nahida's place is cemented just like Raiden's when it comes to people who value comfortability at relatively low effort while playing through Genshin
Theirs low effort characters who not only deal more damage, but have more comfort and Better vertical investments. Such as Neuvuillete and Arlecchino
Dude never heard of strong low investment supports. Which are not really comparable to strong low investment dps. Neither is really better or worse than the other. I mean good for you if your team is carried by one dps but thats not how team building works.
@maxwu4145 Arlecchino? Confort? Ok man
@milla8632 Yeah, as an Arlecchino main, she’s really comfy to play imo. Her BoL honestly doesn’t have too much of an impact on her playstyle. My Kachina has died wayyy more times in just one Abyss cycle than Arlecchino ever has just by being at lvl 80 and up against the stupid gravity boss on 12-2-2
@@maxwu4145Do those two work with ONLY trash artifacts with EM stats/subs?
Nothing goes lower iq/effort mode than plain Kuki/Raiden/electro trigger EM build.
They didn't abandon her they're just focusing on other reactions
Maybe they'll improve super conduct at some point, I rarely hear about that reaction. I think Cryo reactions overall need a reboost, and it'll probably start with Citlali and expand when we get to Snezhnaya with the Tsaritsa herself.
I didn't abandom my child in just focusing on gambling fr 🔥🔥
Basically abandoning her LOL
They are abandoning her lol. She was in meta because of carries like Alhaitham, but Kinich (with just 1 decent buffer) is better than alhaitham. Nahida is just worst than Yaoyao for Kinich.
they will come back 500 years later
I can’t imagine playing this game without Nahida she’s absurdly strong and easy to use. Her banner is handing out 36 stars to new players
Omg I love the wording of your comment
true, nahida imo is still one of best char to invest in genshin ;x and her aoe capability is just awesome
She is carrying me so hard. She's a great support I love her
I have a feeling 1 year after Mavuika release we'll get a
"Why Furina isn't good anymore" video
No because that would require Hoyo to entirely move to transformative reaction damage.
Nahida is "falling off" because she is a dendro exclusive support who was only meta dominant because every good team was a dendro team.
She has like 3 teams but all of those 3 teams were top 5.
Now she still has 3 teams but they aren't top 5 anymore.
Furina has a billion teams and will only get more.
If Mavuika is a support or subdps with off-field application then she will have amazing synergy with furina, if she is a dps then she will also have amazing synergy with furina.
Nahida is a narrow character while Furina isn't.
Impossible 😂
The basis of these vids are the rage baits imo.Even tho the creator or the title says a certain character is falling off if enough people play the aformentioned character technically they've not fallen off.And to the guy above me I think the OP intended this as a joke..
I don't think so, Hydro is a good universal element that reacts with everything while Dendro is niche and entirely depends on its reaction multipliers which are just going to get powercrept by the 5.2 reaction buffs. Dendro would need more reactions added to remain competitive and we've seen how that went for Geo.
i really can see that, maybe hoyo will shadow nerf her, like venti or cryo case
like making enemies that can make your team cant take any damage, so fanfare cant be trigger, and after maybe 20s your on field will die instantly, lol that will be hilarious
BRO!?
Can she have ONE birthday in peace god damn-
fuck no. cope
Real
It’s pixels lil bro she ain’t real😹😹😹🙏🙏🙏
@@noxic7860 u might as well be a pixel too smh
@@noxic7860they’re joking relax
As I mentioned before, it is just that other team archetypes started catching up with Hyperbloom. It is not that she is falling off, other are catching up. Nahida is still Tier 0 and will always be.
Very well put
the video seems to be saying that they have easily exceeded dendro teams. that's what he means by fell off . the others are not catching up. hes saying they have bypassed
Just the correction that no other team archetypes have come up, Hoyo just blew off power crept with things like Daddy and Dragon boy, i would not call that archetypes😂😂😂
they are *ahead of hyperbloom* , not "catching up". there are now teams that are not only stronger at floor, but ridiculously stronger with each inch of more investment unlike hyperbloom.
The other archetypes aren’t catching up to hyperbloom, but easily passing it in all honesty. If Nahida isn’t c2, a hyperbloom team just can’t realistically compete with the the likes of Mualani, Neuvillette, Arlecchino, Lyney, etc, at optimal performance. It’s still certainly a great archetype, but it’s not at all what is leading the game state at the current point. Hyperbloom is only going to get further left behind throughout Natlan and other regions, and alongside hyperbloom, dendro as a whole will be further left behind. The exception is characters like Kinich and Emilie, who are dendro, but don’t play any traditional dendro teams (spread, hyperbloom). Hyperbloom will certainly still be a strong, (usually) affordable option, but it’s objectively falling off in comparison to the recent meta characters.
I’d also disagree heavily with the take that Nahida will always be T0. She just doesn’t have a place in any of the top teams currently. She’s already just barely hanging on to her position as one of the best characters imo, and only because of her flexibility. But if dendro as a whole continues to be outclassed, then Nahida will just also fall behind, easily dropping out of T0. She is optimal in exclusively dendro teams, and as they are falling off comparatively, so is Nahida.
Nahida is still the the strongest option in a lot of dendro teams, just not burning
His point is that said dendro teams are not the best anymore. Not that Nahida isn’t the best in these teams
true, still imo burning is atm weakest reaction atm ;x
@@alavien cough *freeze* cough *superconduct* cough *crystalize*
imo
@@alavieni mean kinich and emilie teams are stronger than most spread and aggravate teams lmao and are a lot better than bloom in single target
@@ISMythix thats because kinich and emilie are good characters, thats like saying chevreuse overload is a great team because of overload reaction
It's very healthy for the game not to have a "must pull" character and give the chance to the players to invest in whatever they want. Easy to use DPS like Neuvillette are good for very casual players who might only want to beat the abyss for the rewards and aren't focused in building complex teams. People need to remember that this is a single player game with no PvP or ranked mode or competition among players whatsoever. Every player can enjoy the game in whatever way they want and making Nahida a little less dominant is great for everyone, even Nahida enjoyers.
Yea, I know unrelated but we see what happens with must pull units like in HSR. It feels impossible to play certain teams even if you dont have 1 certain party member
@@laurentuwu Yes, you are almost required to have Ruan Mei for super break and Robin for FUA (I use Sparkle instead and it's not the same). There are no 4 star options that could at least aliviate some of the pressure of "needing" to pull for some characters. Currently I can't beat Hoolay without Aventurine and I'm getting bored because I can't progress.
@@iNovak_ñ yea I resonate with you completely… I think that’s what i appreciate about genshin and a lot of ppl take for granted that you can have 4 party members that some people would consider T2-3 and still clear most content in the game with decent investment. but yea hsr has a problem, wish they wouldnt just keep powercreeping every single support and dps in the game (even though i love firefly)
@@laurentuwu The way I see it, HSR is a more competitive game, where big numers are paramount because that's almost all a unit can give as it is turn based (at least talking about DPS); unfortunately, this leads to faster powercreep to keep selling characters. I started the game just before Firefly's banner and got lucky enough to pull her and Ruan Mei, with HTB being free and having options to pull Gallagher in the banner, I had a really good team almost from the get go. However, getting a second team has been a headache because other characters that I like don't go well together (Sparkle, Kafka, SW). I felt the necessity to pull for Feixiao but playing her without Robin and Aventurine isn't as good (fortunately I was already planning on pulling for Aven). When I caught up to the story and all the side missions I started to play Genshin (previously I didn't have a device that could run it properly) and I inmediately loved the different vibe it gives. I'm very keen on building great teams and destroying the abyss, but the flexibility Genshin's teambuilding has is refreshing. I feel like I can use my favorite characters no matter what and even if they are not fit for the abyss, I can explore the vast world with them. I'm really enjoying it and I really hope HSR changes at least a little to give us more options instead of restraining us. Sorry for the long text.
As someone who does battle-stuff reluctantly (mostly for primos) and does NOT grind - I give myself 1 (and sometimes 2 - if I get annoyed at something) go-s at the abyss and that's... it. So easy/comfy characters like Neuvi and Nahida are my go tos. (Also, because they are my favorite characters in general, so building my teams around them just make sense!)
At the end of the day, Genshin is relatively casual-friendly, and I am THANKFUL for that. I care mostly for the story/lore, world building, and exploration the most, so... yeah.
People should play how they want and pull for whomever they want. The person who got me in the game started from the get-go and STILL mains Keqing to this day.
Hyperbloom did not fall off, there are just more choices at similar investment
yea same with aggraveate
@@alavien Aggravate demand high CV no?
@@Daivd1111ye but in turn it doesn't need *as much* em as like vape or melt stuff
As someone who started in 5.0, I couldn’t have asked for a better banner! I’ll welcome the little radish god with open arms into my team.
I get that this channel is for a very in-depth discussion and analysis of the power and quality of the characters and teams in Genshin, extremely meta focused and not at all casual, but if you can still "easily 36 star the abyss well under the time limit" with Nahida teams I wouldn't really say she's falling off because, even if she is worse than newer units, those newer units can't do any better than 36 stars on the abyss aside from bragging rights of clearing floors in 1 minute or less.
Well, Nahida isn't falling off.
There's just other options.
You can get her and won't disappoint, especially if you are a new player where your only Dendro option is Dendro Traveler and Collei
[5:53] As noted, *Nahida's* multiwave "problem" comes not from her, but from her teammates: _if_ you can swap back to her every 6s (and the wave isn't "shorter" than that) _then_ you can (re)apply Dendro as many times as needed;
...this compounds into her other "weaknesses", which are also all teammate related:
She either wants a bazillion Electro applications for *Quicken* teams (with the likes of Fischl and Alhaitham) _or_ a bazillion Hydro applications _plus_ consistent Electro _and/or_ Pyro AoE applications for Bloom explosions, which have ceilings both in "damage per proc" (due to max reachable Elemental Mastery on the trigger) and "max procs per second" (due to how seed generation and elemental "aura" consumption work)...
... YET, I disagree with the observations made on the video as said "damage ceilings" are still _way_ above what 36-Staring Abyss asks from us, so any properly built Hyperbloom / Burgeon team is still meta enough - with "better" teams just "winning more" to the point of being overkill. ALSO, Nahida _still_ doesn't have a proper Burgeon trigger (outside of meme on-field Klee), and that could/should change with Mavuika's release, making for yet another Overpowered Dendro team.
... FINALLY, *Furina* (buffs + enough off-field hydro app on E for creating seeds) and *Yae* (EM scaling on E + enough off-field AoE electro application for keeping Quicken while causing Hyperbloom) make for the comfiest Quickbloom teammates available: _any_ 4th slot that complements this "core" - be it *Sigewinne* for healing, buffing and stalling, *Xilonen* for the extra res break, buffs and healing, *Ororon* for even more Aggravate and Hyperbloom stuff (as he is _supposedly_ a Fischl sidegrade that benefits from electro-charged) or even *Mavuika* in the future, for Burgeon and better Tri-Karma procs due to element roundup (as Pyro gives Nahida a ton of ATK) will only make it better / more accessible / comfier - as THE DAMAGE is ALREADY more than ENOUGH; While Mualani pushed Neuvillette's "damage ceiling" up while reducing the consistency, and Arlecchino just raised the floor on all other Pyro carries for being so easy to use and setup, Dendro pretty much has sidegrades on usability while keeping the damage quite consistent between teams - even when we compare Alhaitham "Spread" with Kinich "Burning".
*TL;DR:* Nahida didn't get abandoned: it's just that the *Bloom* reactions ceiling was already hit long ago, so there won't be any "powercreep" happening there - unlike for Vaporize and Melt, that had a ton of room to grow. also Burgeon still isn't a thing.
What if hoyo released an electro carry that wasn't crafted in a lab with the sole intent of being extremely mid.
Yeah hyperbloom and other transformative reactions have a damage cap but your main dps is still hitting numbers themselves in addition to that.
Just that dendro and electro characters are scuffed to account for the reaction damage, that limiter should be taken off by now to account for powercreep elsewhere.
why did you do thoma like that😭
Obviously no character is “must pull” in a literal sense. When people say a character is must pull they aren’t saying that you can’t clear content without them. Most people would put both Kazuha/Xilonen in the top 5 for pull value, that’s the general sentiment they’re trying to get across when they describe them as must pull.
Yeah I get it
But then i had a very good idea. I used F5. See, using F5 gave me a whole new perspective and i was able to see a chest i couldn't have seen before.
@@ronmexico7256 “Must pull” is still stupid terminology. You can’t just use a term and say “oh it doesn’t mean that.” It’s not hard to get across the idea that you think a character is very valuable without using objectively inaccurate terminology. For example, “Furina is a character that can benefit every account!” Is an objectively true statement, that gets across the sentiment without using any objectively false claims. Perhaps it’s just a me thing since that kinda stuff just peeves me lmao.
@@Glast04 I think some level of common sense is just presumed. For instance the phrase “must own” or “must buy” has been commonly used to sell items for nearly 100 years now. If someone is taking these phrases in the extreme literal sense, and believe their life will cease to function if they don’t obtain these items themselves, then the real issue is with those people not the phrase itself. Most people understand what “must buy/have/pull” is generally used for. It’s a figurative statement, which is pretty common practice in human dialogue.
@@ronmexico7256 Yea I get that, it’s still just wrong wording ultimately. As I said, maybe I’m just particularly sensitive to that nonsense, but it feels particularly worse in gacha games to use such terminology, especially when the term is often used towards newer players as a way to make recommendations. It just contributes to fomo and easily overhypes a character. The descriptor is just also incredibly lacking in nuance, and doesn’t tell you anything about the character besides they are apparently good. Yea, people are used to it atp, but that’s kind of the problem imo. It’s a nonsense term that obscures a character’s actual value, and easily leads to them being overrated, much like Raiden was and still is.
Nahida isn't a DPS and Wasn't a DPS.
She is a Support and still can support characters
Her main partner DPS is Alhaitham and their team is still Meta
Nahida's falloff is part of planned obsolescence. Hoyo needs to sell us new shiny characters and they just need to outshine the old shiny characters, however good they were. There's only so many players that will "buy" new characters just because they're new and good looking.
Recency bias is strong with this one. Either that or you needed click bait. Regardless, Nahida literally can’t fall off if she is STILL irreplaceable in her teams. Emilie being more compatible with Natlan characters LITERALLY does not mean she’s more meta than nahida now. Just because other team comps with strong characters exist and nahida may not fit doesn’t mean her pull value decreases. If sumeru came out today and Natlan two years ago, you would be SO quick to change this narrative entirely. Because then it would be “omg shiny new hyper bloom!” Burning is falling off! Lmao. Does this mean you’re gonna say that neuvilette is “falling off” when cryo becomes meta after the cryo archon is released because he can’t fit on those new meta teams?? Lmao make it make sense. Or better yet, just let meta encompass more than whatever is the newest thing to release.
I mean, Nahida stopped being a super valuable pull. That screams like she’s fallen off
It's not recency bias if it's acknowledging powercreep. The meta encompasses not the newest teams, but the top 5, 10, maybe 15 teams (wherever you can draw a clearer line). It just so happens that characters like Neuvillette and Mualani now take up more slots in those top teams, pushing Dendro teams and Nahida out of the meta.
when we are talking dendro, nahida is still a must
true, imo still best dendro char ;D
nothing could stop me from loving the dook-dook radish! i started playing when she first came out, she was my first 5 star. and now shes c6! nahida lovers unite!
What's next, Furina is the worst character in the game?
😂😡
Never
@@danielseus1005 Yeah, that's what I thought when Nahida came out
whenever hydro tulpa shows it's face, her and bennet comps are an instant liability.
Jello didn't say anything controversial at all. the multipliers in the new units post-Neuvilette, multiply by the buffing power of xilonen and furina, make it easy to exceed the ceiling of transformative reactions
HOW DARE YOU?!TAKE THAT BACK!!!
The best improvement for Nahida and Nahida teams and dendro teams in general is just getting her C2. One of the best and most valuable early constellations that secures the future of dendro for unforeseeable future. Not that you need it. Hyperbloom is still broken.
This
C2R1 Nahida, with a great build, doing like 65K spread hits with her E.
C2R1 Yelan, also great build, doing big damage.
If we get a good 5* replacement for Xingqiu and Kuki that team can shoot up to Neuv level anytime.
Even like this, its already insanely strong and it free the op supports for Neuv premium team to do 120k+ hits (and 100k+ Furina crabaleta hits).
@@Tnscla I'll be honest, I think Nahida's signature is awful. I'll get R5 sacrificial fragments or Evenstar at as high of a refinement as I possibly can before even thinking about getting her signature weapon.
I totally agree with you about this. Without raising kuki lv90 to lv100 by a new world level, the only way make hyperbloom can get over the higher hp monster way /boss is make this team access more buff but with kuki/nahida the current artifacts set of them is decent so it will not make some good upgrade about dps scaling and xingqiu I think a good sub dps set like emblem is more helpful than a support set which can do single target dmg per rotation around 1-200k. So getting c2 nahida is good way to boost dps ( ~20%) without a 4th super buffing teammate / high scale dps . I think about this problem from the start of Fontaine era so I had rolled nahida for c1 and now get her c2 for keeping the brainrot style coming up with meta
You could pull 2 new characters with that instead who will perform better than her and can still improve further while Nahida hits her cap at c2 unless you wanna whale.
Natlan has been releasing very self sufficient dps characters that get even better with more natlan characters coming out.
@@luminous3558 not every new character offers the same value as a C2 Nahida. And I know people love playing broken main DPS characters but for some of us, we need to like everything about a main DPS before pulling for them. And I don't like Natlan designs or gameplays so far. The supports are kinda hard to skip because of Cinder City but Mualani, Kinich and Chasca are some of the easiest skips of my life.
I don’t get good artifacts no matter how many resin I spend that’s why I play hyperbloom
Same
She is still one of the most impactfull pulls for new accounts imo. Quicken, Aggravate, Hyperbloom and more. Having her alone makes these so much better to play and allows for so much comfort.
Units like Furina, Kazuha, Xilonen make your teams better but they do not offer a good starting point for a new player. Neuv and Nahida are imo the 2 biggest 5* pulls a fresh account could make.
The backpedaling on the video title and thumbnail 😂
Bro had one of the takes of all time again lmao. Either way she's easily one of the characters people should pull on their account at some point. Due to her raising the ceiling of the entire dendro element and it's reactions.
and the fact that she enables an entire host of dendro teams, means that she's up there in tier 0 for greatest value in fun. she's an all-in-one toy that offers a lot of play for her cost. and the cost-to-fun ratio should be the real and PRIMARY metric for pull value in a world of finite primogems
He literally said he's not saying she's bad or that she's gonna completely fall off. All he said is that she's falling off since there haven't been many new synergies, and more and more teams are comparing to hyperbloom or are better.
He's not wrong, though. In Sumeru and early Fontaine, the "f2p" staples were National and hyperbloom. Now, the staple is Neuv on one side, and typically another Natlan/Fontaine carry, like Arl or Navia on the other, and, for older players, some older carry they've built a strong team for.
And yes, Nahida is still great if you want to play those dendro teams. But the incentive to play those dendro teams isn't as strong as before.
literally came back from a year long break on genshin(came back this years lantern rite) and my first goal was to get her and i only had baizhu at the time. now i have kinich, emilie, and tighnari. so worth the pull, and allows me to do sm more in the game
Everything he said is right though. Why do people always get so defensive when anything about dendro is discussed 😭
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Verry genuine video. All being said here, if you are day one into the game, want to wish on a banner and never wish again to progress through entire story (easily), that is the one banner. This plus one side of Spiral Abyss pretty much secured. That is how hyperbloom works.
Releasing this on her birthday, that's just plain nasty.... I love it!
I personally think that characters in general don't get powercrept. I just think that people think the game is "solved" and therefore don't try anything new. So old characters' potential remains hidden.
You can see this in the fact that every team follows the same rotations and archetype:
- Hypercarry
- Dendro reactions (Because in Quicken it don't matter who triggers and HB/Burgeon you control the trigger)
- Reverse Vape/Melt (Because the reaction coefficient helps you control the trigger)
Then (Skill + Burst + swap)x3 into carry/driver.
For Nahida, most of her kit besides the Dendro app goes unnoticed. I'm sure there has to be some hidden tech/rotation that can push her and her team's damage/versatility up. She has the EM buff, she can extend her uptime up to 25 seconds, increase her dendro app and her personal damage. People just have to break the mold and think outside the box. Maybe experiment with timing/rotations to get double hyperbloom, build her damage up with some teamwide ATK/EM buffs. Maybe support for simultaneous reactions (Overvape, Thundering Furries, Fridgebloom, some Taser shenanigans).
She does kinda suck a little for multiwave fodder content tho.
I'm getting serious Azar vibes from this
Nahida looking at PECH buffs in Natlan:
"Look what they need to mimic a fraction of our power."
Why did we let one of the Old Rukkhadevata Sages come back from exile on Kusanali's birthday? 😂
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When im the quest was that
You can double down on your Kazuha statement all you want. Even if he's not needed on as many teams as before, every account still benefits from having a Kazuha. Unless his grouping gets to Venti levels of usefulness, he is still meta. Some still put him above Xilonen tho I wouldn't go that far, but they are similar enough... 🤷
Dude what are you even on, he never said Kazuha is not benefitting accounts. Kazuha is a character that has gotten so much positive resonance from players that people like you are in disbelief as soon as competition comes up or when their weaknesses are showing.
Xilonen has healing, making her great defensively and enabling Furina, unconditional multi wave res shred which is a lot better than grouping in recent abyss twelves, longer buff uptime, works with an additional element being Geo. All of this makes her more modern, complete, flexible and thus more future proof.
Kazuha has grouping and can apply elements for certain setups like aggravate or to break shields. His grouping has fallen off and you have to blind to not see that. The only abysses where his grouping felt very relevant was 4.5 and 5.1 which were both during his banner. He’s not unbeatable and stop pretending like he isn’t…
@@justawalter9752 What are you on? I never said he said that either. Did you even read my comment, cuz i also said i think Xilonen is better lol.
@@HonestToCritic Your comment is just unnecessary, you criticise him for things he would agree with. I think you’re on the same page as him. Kazuha and his grouping are not necessary anymore and he has better competition but he’s still beneficial for an account
Y’all gotta seriously move on.. agree to disagree
Nahida seems fine in multi wave…people acting like pressing e once every so often is a huge deal
Right. People are just lazy and don’t feel like tagging everybody again lol
It can be depending on who you are playing onfield
I think there are two factors at play.
1) Certain characters, like Cyno, can't afford to swap off.
2) In most of the single player content (because Abyss is 1x per month), enemies die too fast. This means that her elemental skill, even with its low cool down, isn't available again for the next wave, and that, for QoL reasons, there's no reason to swap to her, when you can just kill the mobs like that anyway.
Basically, it isn't that she's bad at multiwave. It's that most enemies have way too low hp compared to the damage we're routinely dealing these days.
My issue is more because everything die before she get her skill again.
They should stop with multiwaves and gave us more tanky ennemies but without multiwaves. So the same dps check is ok, but just less waves.
If it bugs you in wave content, you can always put deepwood on sm like Kuki to shred res even when Nahida's E is not on enemies. Or even on dps themselves. It works fine.
Its interesting to say nahida is falling off from the way I've seen it is that since fontaine's release *(As You Said)* they stopped giving dendro too much attention due to how strong nahida turned out to be so they released more forms of DMG from DPSes that outscale hyperbloom at somewhat lower investments
To me nahida just stopped growing currently but compared to every element in the game dendro still has the most room for growth and I'd say nahida hasn't reached her peak yet but her peak might not be that high as time goes on because I'm sure the devs will continue this trend for a while longer so we'll see
So in one way nahida "Falling Off" slightly but at the same time she stopped "Growing" she's stagnated
In other words I agree with the video
And people ignore her C2 for some reason.
You dont need to pull more characters, just get more Nahidas and boom you Dendro team is meta again.
Keqing and Tighnari doing great with Nahida C2R1 support and they are standard characters.
Honestly I am thankful to our precious nahida
1. My first ever limited 5 star
2. Carried me a lot like A LOT
3. It carried me in abyss
They said this is just their "opinion" so don't take everything they said as "true".
1:43 the best "f2p teams" still uses nahida to this day (and i mean the low investment f2p teams, not the "f2p eventually" teams they mentioned). basically no character has been added to replace nahida in the hyperbloom/burgeon/super-bloom teams. Nahida is still the premiere option there as she's basically the highest dendro applying character to this day.
5:30 this is statement is a bit misleading. Genshin has not released chars that synergizes well with nahida then of course those teams won't need her. That doesn't mean she's magically not the BiS in the respective teams she specializes in. She's still "BiS" in (f2p teams mentioned above and) aggravate teams if we're talking about just pure damage, as nahida has no interrupt resist like baizhu or kirara, and non-flexible on-field chars struggle with nahida reapplication in multi-wave, but this is besides the point. Clorinde aggravate, yae aggravate, Sethos aggravate etc. basically any dendro team that uses fischl also wants nahida (again if we're talking just pure damage).
i know what they meant by "falling off" that recently genshin has been releasing chars that nahida is not BiS in. But does that mean all her previous teams that she's BiS in is now rendered obsolete? of course not. Basically genshin did not do anything to buff hyperbloom/burgeon/super-bloom niche as they saw how good it is as a baseline.
On another note, Nahida has always been this character that made the floor damage higher, but not necessarily the ceiling. Mualani vape, yes you can slot nahida in, is she the BiS in terms of highest damage? nope, go do the speedrun teams where you use xilonen and kazuha 😂. Neuvillette hyper-vape (neuv, raiden, dehya, nahida) does this team deal good damage? yes its a mixture if neuv damage and transformative damage. Is this neuvillette's ceiling damage? nope. Same can be said for hyperbloom, is it enough to 36* abyss? yes. But is the ceiling for hyperbloom team the highest? nope
I can go on and on discussing about this. like the point of nahida is not cause you want the highest damaging team, but more so you can get the damage baseline much quicker than any other teams. This is why i distinctively say "f2p teams" and "f2p eventually teams" both are f2p but one you can achieve faster and easier (yes even with the new sets, you still need good artifacts to make the character feel good, you can't just put the correct mainstat and you magically have a character that outdmages "f2p teams")
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tldr Nahida didn't "fall off", but more like the teams she's good at has been "stagnant" as they're already really good as a baseline. Improving a really achievable damage-floor would be kinda bad for the game, as any DPS is immediately playing "catch-up" to that baseline which was already kinda hard to achieve for old DPS', what more if genshin actually improved it. So no, "stagnant" does not mean "fall off" in this context.
I use Nahida for hyperbloom and love her with Beidou, Xinqui and Thoma, since I got her C2. I especially use her as a shredder with deepwood, however since I got Kinich C2 and Emilie C6, they use strong artefacts and shred res so they’re just more efficient
Lol thats funny, I was just thinking about our little Radish today and how strong she is at C0 even in Natlan. Plus she is adorable, especially with the JP VA. Although you are right, I couldn't imagine my accounts without her.
Hoyo “abandoned” Nahida and yet she is one of the most used characters in Abyss. Even the new fav Mualani with her 2Million damage is sitting in B tier just after one patch.
yea nahida aor capability is just too strong and usefull to avoid xD
Usage rates ≠ meta
@@deltaspecies1697 ofc it is lol…what else is equal to meta then? Jiggle physics?
@@alirehman4858 so sucrose is one of the worst units in the game ? Fischl is mediocre af ? Siegewinne is better than Mualani, Clorinde and Kokomi ? Itto is better than Xiao ? Dehya is the best standard 5*, surpassing tighnari ? Dehya is better than Nilou ? Navia is better than Arle ? Chiori is better than Nahida and Yelan ? Lyney is worse than Ayaka ?
If u still consider usage rates = meta after me pointing out all of this bs, then ur have peak delusion and cant think for one second.
@@alirehman4858 what determines meta is clear speeds and results. As such, Mualani has by far the fastest clear speeds out of any dps at every investment. Hence why she is the best dps in the game. Nahida and dendro in general with the exception of kinich teams, have slow clear times and gets outpaced fast by crit scaling dps units on decent builds. Hence why she is falling off.
I'm about 3-months into the game and have been following your "If you have these 5-Stars you BEAT THE GAME" video advice. I've been super lucky getting Yelan, Kazuha, and Xilonen early (and Raiden at soft pity), and only lost my first 50/50 super early to Jean, and was really looking at grabbing Nahida in the upcoming banner based on your past advice. Considering your must-have 3, choose 3, and pick any 2 layout, this feels like a 180 on the original plan with Nahida no longer being "essential", yet Neuvillete who was a tier below is somehow easier to build and a better pick now. You should consider updating this video and fairly quickly considering that not only do we got Xilonen, Kinich, Mualani, Emilie, Clorinde and Arlecchino (and Xianyun?) since that video came out, but they also had a massive impact on previously released characters such as Navia, and Neuvillette in particular. Most importantly with the Xilonen banner live (for a few more hours) and Nahida, Neuvillette, Zhongli and Mauvika around the corner, this would be extremely useful info to have for anyone that started playing in the past half a year or so.
Oh Jello... must we do this song and dance every time you release a video like this? Let me break it down by points.
1. Saying Nahida has fallen off is like saying Alhaitham has fallen off and that is PATENTLY FALSE. Alhaitham hyperbloom is top 5 Strongest DPS in Genshin Impact since release and Nahida is best in slot on ALL OF HIS TEAMS, so just by that nature alone... you have failed.
2. When Dendro released, it rocked the very foundation of the game. Dendro made geo obsolete (Not a single geo Sumeru character exists), K*ll3d cryo outright, knocked anemo down, replaced pyro as the "DPS element" (burning reaction being the weakest), brought Electro back from the grave and crown Hydro as the King of Elements.
This was no small thing and throughout version 3 and 4 dendro DOMINATED all content. The devs, understandably so, made the decision to bring back some of these other elements dendro had, essentially, replaced with the whole nightsoul mechanic and the cinder city set and you took that as dendro being a garbage element now, only because the devs did not want people to forget about other elements. Now you might say "I am not saying dendro has fallen off!", Jello... Nahida IS DENDRO and your thumbnail and title says it all.
All that happen was that the other elements have now been raised to be ON PAR with Dendro. You got so used to Dendro being THE HIGHEST DAMAGE IN THE GAME, that you fail to realize what the devs are actually trying to do here.
3. Your video is going to age like milk left out in a bayou swamp when Ifa comes out and the new dendro nightsoul mechanics are introduced with the new artifacts sets of version 5.5 or 5.7 when the Collective of Plenty tribe of Natlan is released.
Saying Nahida has fallen off is like saying Arle is like saying Arle or neuvi have fallen off beacuse Mualani has a higher damage potential.. it's not that a character has "fallen off" essentially, it's more so that there is now a different type of enemies in the abbyss.
i think u are just splitting on semantics and not actually addressing the video. his point is that there was a sharp powercreep post-Neuvilette release, and it's obvious why. hoyo needed to surpass hyperbloom to make their characters attractive to spend on
The only reason I benched her teams rn is because they are too strong. I can't always just rely on Hyperbloom and Nilou's suicide squad to clear.
I feel like dominant doesn't matter the main goal is to clear the abyss and it does it fine for very low amounts of investments its definitely the route for free to play as you only need 1 5star
I understand the Points made but "Nahida is getting WORSE" is a bit of a reach IMO- I feel like Genshin players will never get the feeling of a unit ACTUALLY getting worse and falling off (Maybe only Eula mains), I play hi3 and its sad to see all our old valks straight up not being used anymore because of the newer ones just powercreep everyone, unless they have INSANE investment.
People started using Nahida less because we now have more options than dendro, dendro teams in itself are not bad
Arcon collectors won't care if the character fell of A.K.A venti, they're still gonna get them all
nice bait
Great analysis on how the game has made resin investment less and less of a requirement to have a team 36☆ ready with new characters. Never thought of it that way!
I REALLY HOPE that the nation of pyro will give us the dedicated burgeon carry we have been missing
Being an archon I doubt she’ll completely fall off. Venti is still way better than most give him credit for. I’ll be investing in Nahida’s c2 and hopefully some Kuki cons 🤩
She haven't fallen off, she's just still in the exact same floor as ever, just like your updated guide, be the same for a long time and that they release characters that dont compete with her in the same playground doesnt make her fall off, also she has been the same since the beggining, high dps teams while invested already out-DPS hyperbloom on Nahida release things like HuTao teams always did this), the thing is just like you said, the resin investment, and not everyone wanted to invest resin efficiently, so we cannot conclude that because players are lazy to grind artifacts then the reality of invested artifacts didnt existed since before. In the present day if you want to play many characters Nahida is still your way to go, Keqing, Cyno, Alhaitham, Tighnari, Yae, Nilou, Clorinde among others, Furina release improved Nahida teams because now you can now also invest on the raw poer of talent and resin investment in those characters Nahida supported, "quickbloom" got stronger, how we appreciated dendro was not just "amount of hyperbloom cores generated / amount of hyperbloom cores detonated in X seconds" now investment took much more weight (it was like this since before, people was just blinded about have a easy to get floor that stoped invest more without think they needed more), dendro make many people conformist about resin investment, and that's not a problem with Nahida's performance, and even if you have the oprion you can upgrade Nahida to C2 if you think "she's falling off", also yeah, they released Emilie and Kinich, they releasing 2 (just 2) characters that literally coexists and dont share any teammate in between them with Nahida teams in 99% of scenarios, 100% doesnt make any changes on Nahida's performance
i think u are splitting hairs on semantics. if u replace "fall off" with "not updated", then u wouldn't need to write an essay. once she's updated (e.g. a mavuika burgeon?) she is no longer "not updated". ur reacting to semantics and not the video itself cuz he actually agrees with you if u watch the video
I think it’s mainly the enemy line up that’s nerfing nahida. Just like how venti was king of cc, nahida is queen of pseudo cc with her chain skill, but it’s more effective the more enemies you have. I remember abyss chambers where 8 of those specter bloons that fly everywhere it was so annoying to group and nahida could handle those with ease. We have had abyss chambers with fatui that spawn cincin’s which adds more enemies which helps nahida do more reactions and amplifies her damage. With Fontaine, we get like 4 waves of like 2 enemies each so it really nerfed the effectiveness of nahida because they don’t spawn all at once or in bigger groups.
*character doesn't do Neuvillette levels of damage*
Metaslave CCs: "This character trash!"
Funny you say this cus back then the argument was literally this but with nahida and hyperbloom
Friendly reminder that Neuvilette also doesn't deal "Neuvilette levels of damage." He "requires" full rainbow team before constellations. Which means he is either C1 with 3 of the best supports in the game or C0 using Hyperbloom or some other broken reaction. Or the spin bug.
I'm still waiting for Hoyo to buff those Fatui Operatives so the "downside" they gave him is actually a downside.
Much love.
The Anti Otter-Glazing gang.
@@suzunome47 Man some of y’all just have zero comprehension or understanding of nuance huh? When did he even once imply that Nahida is trash? And calling JELLO a meta slave? Out of every cc? Istg you can’t make this up 💀💀💀
@@infrnlmssh9719 Neuvillette's best team at c0 is the same as his best team at literally all constellation levels. Neuvillette/Furina/Xilonen/Kazuha (double Hydro if you didn't notice). You know what else is better than Hyperbloom for c0 Neuvi? Neuvillette/Furina/Bennett/Xiangling (double Hydro/double Pyro and still better than Hyperbloom). He certainly doesn't "require" a rainbow team. In fact, he doesn't even require a team at all. On his release, people 36 starred Abyss with c0 Neuvillette holding a craftable 4 star weapon and no teammates.
You don't beat glazing with more glazing, by the way.
@@LordUrfael On the Abyss made _specifically_ for him??? No way!
And this will be the third thing I’ve worried about today. RUclips makes it soooo hard for me to be calm. :(
DON'T SHES STILL ALWAYS GOING TO BE OUR LITTLE RADISH ARCHON!!!
Who cares she is the most beloved character in the game, and probably the best written one
Totally
dont let the furina stands find you tho.
No one is even remotely close to Citlali.
@@xShikari I love her too she felt like a real person, and that is not common In Genshin at all.
@@alexanderericson8628 I'm still shocked at the quality differences. Her animations, depth and voice acting felt like another level. Natlan is fire so far. 🔥 You can kind of feel we are moving towards the "end" and that they have competition.
usually like your videos, but saying Nahida is falling off is just straight clickbait and honestly just annoying and a lie. Nahida is still almost the essential character for low investment. She can still make any dendro focused team easily clear abyss whereas a lot of other teams require more investment. Just because there is DPS that can clear the content quicker doesn’t mean it takes her niche ability which is being able to take a low investment low effort team and make it work. Other teams being able to keep up is good it makes so there is more variety than everyone playing the same team. We should celebrate people being able to play what they want instead of just trying to clickbait lies so people feel like they need certain characters.
Next videos would be like "Neuvillette has fallen off", "Furina has fallen off", etc. 😄
Lol so who is not overrated? Just the Hydro duo? I skipped all Fontaine cast cuz my Kaz and Nahida teams were crushing so hard...
You can invest in the Hyperbloom too we are just getting more teams
these types of videos are inherently bad
I remeber when sumeru was released everyone was doomposting about how kazuha fell off and its still going on in natlan
its now nahidas turn and maybe next year we will get videos like how furina is useless
this one is a very good take. regarding on hyperbloom future, i do believe that hyperbloom is already stable at a high ceiling enough that it does not need anymore buffs to get back in the game. its already good enough to stay on top.
I'm pulling for her C2. She becomes slightly more relevant in the burning slot. Oddly enough, I have been having a good time playing Tighnari in a burning team. It's triple dendro with Bennet, Emilie and Nahida. I know Dehya or Xiangling make so much more since for either resonance, damage or IR but I thoroughly enjoy watching the enemies health bar slowly, but consistently widdle down, even while taking a flurry of talent damage. My Emilie is C2 R1 and my Tighnari is C3 so maybe my perspective is too skewed but, I thoroughly enjoy pure burning teams and the reaction.
I have C2 Nahida and has destroyed everything with ease with her. I honestly don't ever see a need for me to pull another Dendro character ever again lol.
what build do you use
Fallen off? You mean, the teams she works with are still the/one of the best. I still use her in every new abyss since i got her. For me she hasn’t fallen off she just works with the team i have her on every abyss reset.
Could you try to value character strength at higher constellations for older characters that had multiple reruns?
I started last year and think of going for her constellations instead of wishing for new characters to replace the old.
You value character strength in clearing the Spiral Abyss but I think it doesn’t matter. I’ve been told anyone can clear especially if we invest and have multiple constellations or 5 star weapons.
The spiral abyss now is 18 minutes of content once a month that rewards a single ten pull once every 3 months. I don’t think wishing for a single 5 star just for that is worth it. Let alone the fact we need 8 characters to try it.
Looking only at C0 is relevant to people who never got the character before but there are many veteran players that did. For us C2 could be the same primogem investment as C0 because we already have copies.
yea good point. a bit more focus on C1 or C2 on rerun banner vids is worth. although i can also see why its not the focus of this video in particular
1- he talked about pulling for constellations in this video...
2- what's the point of these videos if not for SA? Like, are you expecting videos for the strength of characters against overworld Saurians? And SA is 800 Primogems a month, so that's every 2 months not 3.
3- if you find the need for 8 characters prohibitive... You probably need horizontal investment, not vertical.
4- Investment is not infinite. Resin is a finite resource. 'Anyone can clear abyss with enough investment' is misleading, the amount more you'd have to farm for a Hypercarry Raiden vs a Hypercarry Neuvillette is meaningful.
(Note these comments of mine are coming from one of the most vertically-invested F2P players.)
Rather than 'Falling Off', i prefer to say 'Can't Keep Up'. Reason? Neuvilette off course.
With Natlan Character release, rather than stay at his old teamcomp, his team just get more & better.
While Nahida stay at her strong yet old niche, 2U dendro application team.
Called it
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3.0 - Dendro(Nahida) lowered the requirment of how to 36 star. It didn't raise the ceiling, it made the ceiling more obtainable.
4.0 - Fountaine uped the ceiling with Nuev and Aler and w/ multiwave introduced into the Abyss.
5.0 - Natlan we're seeing the ceiling raised once again however not with single chars but w/ a combination of chars.
We all know the Abyss ceiling will continue to be raised (creating pull incentives)
By the time we get to Abyss 5.7 and 5.8 will hyperbloom still work? That's the real question.
By 5.7 will a C0 Nahida, C6 XQ, C2 Kuki and C6 Fischl be able to 36? Maybe yes maybe no.
But objectively it's probably better to spend the 80 pulls on a Mauvika con instead of Nahida C2 or Hutao C1.
I think everyone gets that newer chars will have an easier time with future Abysses.
Ulimately it comes down to Hoyo. I mean they made Genshin, they can sure figure this out.
We absloutely love these chars. I'm sure they will find a way to buff old chars.
In fact they have been doing exactly that with the likes of Xianyun (Diluc).
I wouldn't worry too much about the fall of Dendro.
Eventually Venti will get a buff too, you just wait and see.
Altri im for sure biased bc she’s been my main since I pulled her: when I got her, I was about AR 45 or sm, playing on mobile and a very skill issue player that hates combat. After a while of building her she (w a hyperbloom team) can carry me thru left everything in the game. Everything. Love my radish 💚
my hot take is that nahida is infinitely more valuable than xilonen if you have kazuha.
I agree
This. 100% Correct Take! I own both Fully built @ C0 and I forgot to use Xilonen in Abyss. I 36-star with Nahida+Yelan+XQ+Kuki and Arlechino+Zhongli+KAzuha+Bennett. I Sure will forget to use Xilonen in the Future again. LOL
Jello, big fan, here for a while
But I think a better way to phrase this is "Nahida is not the overwhelming meta presence she used to be, because they are focusing on other reactions."
she is one of those broken character you should not fix or it will stay meta
The problem is that the enemies in abyss nowadays have insane amount of HP! The same Nahida team that I used to comfortably 36 star the abyss cannot now even complete one part of a chamber in 2 minutes.
It's the same treatment as Venti. They overtuned him back then, and then nerfed him to the ground, they are doing the same with Nahida. While she still is usable she is definitely falling off!
Idk if this is an issue with hoyoverse itself, as the same problem exists in HSR and i might say it's much much worse there, or gacha games in general are very poor at balancing the characters and the enemies and the game in general.
I used to run hyper-burgeon team in abyss
Nahida, kuki, xigqiu,thoma
This team can even clear the Baptist without any trouble in the abyss
Vids like these make me laugh as someone whos still doing the main story quest in genshin like "idc about the abyss an the endgame i just wanna breeze past the sameru an natlan quest even easier then i already can" lol
I’ve seen people defuse bombs with less care than gacha game content creators trying not to upset their viewers by suggesting their characters are anything less than optimal
I have nahida and I use her for every team I play except ones with xilonen in them and she is amazing. I love her character and play style.
Nahida was my first limited 5* after I returned to Genshin after 2.5 years, she literally carried me through the game in a budget hypefridge team and I have to say she's great for people just starting out, even more so now with her crazy good banner coming up. But I do have to admit I don't use her as much as I used to, because I got characters like Furina, Arlecchino etc.
So persay I wouldn't say "she's fallen off", it depends on your account as you said a couple times - if you're low investment, or you're just starting out, she's amazing. If you have two to three main DPS characters, hyperbloom might not exactly be where to invest your primos.
This video exemplifies how character discussions by CCs have become so stale and annoying to watch. So many CCs seem to think that just because Neuvillete is a thing, there is no merit whatsoever in playing anything else. They create this false dichotomy between Neuv and the rest of the characters, even though there may be not overlap at all in their teams (and totally disregarding the fact that all endgame content like Abyss, theatre, combat events will have you build multiple teams). Neuv was truly the worst thing that happened to not just the game but also to its community.
I feel like the more time passes, the more the archon from the older elements fall. Like Raiden, which I feel like she is not enough nowadays at c0 compared to other dps's
But why look at c0 for old characters? Many players aren’t new and could potentially get multiple constellations of the same character because they had many reruns.
I doubt old players continue to wish for new characters after they collected old ones. But maybe I’m wrong
@@ThePenguinsKing I agree, good constelations increase the meta potential of the characters. Even nowadays Raiden's c2 is still really good. Nahida also become a monster with her c2.
@@ThePenguinsKingI don't think so, many value more having new characters or weapon than slighly upgrade most of the old ones via cons
@@ThePenguinsKing or better yet, why spend even more on old units that have been done and dusted when for the same price u can get new toys that are as powerful as a C2 old unit, straight out of the gate
@haruhiiragi6324
Or even better, if you have C2 Raiden and C1 Hu Tao you can skip all dpcs for 2 years, pull broken supports at C1-C2 and outperform clowns who pull for every new shiny toy at C0.
11:12 can someone explain how is there Venti in T3 and Sucrose in T1 ? shouldn't it be the other way around ? or was Venti nerfed so much so now he is that much worse then 4 star character like Sucrose ? 😅 I started playing this game like 6 months ago so I haven't had chance to play with Venti yet, only with Sucrose but I though that Venti will be better since he is 5 star limited character and even anemo archon
Most enemies are immune to the suction/grouping mechanic nowadays, Venti shines mostly on AoE scenarios with small enemies that are group-able. But since most challenging content nowadays consist of boss enemies that are immune to grouping and freeze venti contribution to the team is no longer good enough. Most teams will benefit more in replaching venti with a res shredder or sub dps since HP get increase and higher dps checks with each new nation. Abyss recently having 300% HP multiplier is not helping venti as well.
As for your last sentence, yes venti is an archon but was the first limited character to be released, his power was very strong at the time of his release but as the game gets older higher dps checks are a requirement and his kit was balanced around the 1.0-2.0 era when players did 20-30k crits while today players do 300k-500k crits on higher invested characters.
In my opinion, the only limited 5-star character competing with Venti as the absolute worst limited 5-star in the game is Eula, and it's because her meta value lives in the sewers.
If you love Venti and want to get him, don't let his complete lack of meta involvement stop you. But you should know that you're probably never going to consider using him if you're thinking in terms of using strong units in strong teams.
The type of enemies they've put into the high floors of Spiral Abyss for years have been enemies that counter Venti's power specifically and his synergistic teams in general.
Venti has been render almost useless with suction immune enemies. Sucrose can give a lot of EM team buff.
While I do agree that Nahida has a bit less account value (but that's also true for every character, simply because we have more strong off-fielders to pick from now), I do think you're off in a few ways.
You're overlooking the power of her C1. It's every bit as good as the others and their C1s you've mentioned, and fills the same role as power improvement + QoL. Lowering the ICD on her elemental skill procs and boosting its damage, as well as the extended duration on her burst, it does a ton for her. Meanwhile, her C2 doesn't really matter, because of the speed at which we already kill things.
As far as multiwave content, it isn't that Nahida is bad at it. She's actually good at it... unless the waves die too fast. And right now, they die too fast. So fast that it doesn't just negatively impact Nahida, but all sorts of characters. Like in the Sumeru event running right now, I was killing mobs so fast I basically couldn't utilize any melee attacks, because by the time I'd figured where the enemy was, Yae and Chiori had killed it already. And just think about what I'm saying there... anyone that has to move to hit an enemy is near worthless. WL9 isn't enough, and we really need an hp multiplier for mobs in events. We just have too many strong buffers and off-field DPS right now that mob hp is too low in a lot of parts of the game.
And speaking of those buffers, Dendro is suffering from the "not PECH" issue that has traditionally hindered geo as well. Basically, Xilonen doesn't help dendro or anemo, and both will suffer it. Emilie and (c1) Chiori were equal. Now? Chiori smokes Emilie. Now, Emilie will somewhat close the gap when a Natlan character that's dendro team friendly shows up to wear the Scroll set, but dendro and anemo are going to need a Xilonen level buffer to be relevant. Not a hyperbloom or the like one. A straight up all dendro damage gets buffed one.
her C1 is not that strong because in most current nahida teams she doesnt use her burst (its a dps downgrade). the C2 however is a big numbers increase
@@renren.focalorsme Except people seem to want that up to 250 EM she provides, which requires her burst. Her C1 also buffs her ability to deal damage against spread out enemies, and her teams typically lack a grouper, because those are anemo. It's a factor often overlooked, because theorycrafters cannot factor in everything, and so they often gravitate toward "big number" scenarios, leading them to overlook other valuable aspects of kits. And crazy big numbers aren't as valuable as they were these days, because overkill is increasingly becoming an issue, thanks to the crazy buffers and hard hitting carries. And that also negatively impacts her C2, because the speed at which we kill means even her low cooldown elemental skill isn't fast enough, and to get the def debuff, you first have to hit them with 2 things already (so they're often already going to die just like that...or already dead anyway).
Now, I'm not saying her C2 isn't better than her C1. But both her C1 and C2 are up there with the standards of the latest characters, where generally c1 offers less raw power, but some nice QoL, and C2 offers straight up power.
tbh, it's not Nahida falling but just the dendro element in general, and since she is bis in almost every dendro comp, she had to follow.
Still, dendro may not be top meta anymore, but when it works it's still very solid imo.
I guess it's a pattern now that archons, considered the strongest characters in meta when their region comes eventually fall off like raiden. I just really hope this never happens with furina but i guess it's impossible for fontaine characters keeping up on top for the next 2 years 😭
It makes a lot of sense that Nahida, the most friendly Archon, performs best for Hyperbloom, the most F2P friendly reaction.
Why didn’t we get a they abandoned Eula on her birthday video? At least Nahida got a banner and an event.
Well, Eula was abandoned 3 years ago. Sometimes when I enter coop with her, people don't even know what's going on ...
i think u answered your own question. its cuz she's on banner on her bday
Hyperbloom is already cracked they need to buff spread and aggrivate with Iansan being a quicken buffer. Giving a nahida back her throan. Especially nahida c-2 which im throwing the 333 fates ive saved over 7 months for ❤
For people watching: He means Nahida was once top 3 for building powerful teams, but now there are more alternatives as well. She is still amazing, but there are also other amazing characters.
Seems like a whale problem if you keep wanting something MORE new
he have all the characters on c0 what the hell lmao
NEW/FTP PLAYERS BE AWARE AND IGNORE THIS VIDEO.
C0R0 Nahida + 2 4* in her banner + random EM crap = full meta team.
C0R0 Neuv without Furina, Xilonen/Kazuha and good crit artefacts? Good luck reaching even budget hpb clearing speed.
As a new player I could not be more excited for this banner, I can't wait!
She is the character that got me my first 36 star the abyss
video: get her get her get her, must pull, s tier, best value
another video: downfall
bro
You are cruel to post it on Nahida’s birthday 😂😭
Ofcourse, if you have good artifacts on main dps, with good cr cd ratio, and your team consists of fontane’s dps like neuvi/arle and you have furina, and 2nd team you have mualani/kinich as dps with mavuika as bis on release, and you already have good cr/cd on artifacts, them skip nahida. I totally agree.
But if you dont, good cr/cd on dps takes months, or even upto whole year. I can speak for myself, i pulled hutao and ayaka in fontane,(i know, i was new, and just looking at yt hyped vids i pulled. Now i wish i went for fontane chars) i took a break between 4.3-4.7, till this day, my best cr/cd is 53/165. You pick any avg f2p showcase etc yt vid, even with 4 star weapons, they have near 200 cd with above 60cr. I cant achieve that even after so long. Thats the pain point. Thats where i need nahida. I can just give nahida 800 em, kuki 1000em, which is way easier, infact i have whole setup ready already, and it took like 1 week, and i was passively doing it, and i am good to go. Easy 1 meta team ready, whose dps is onpar with yt f2p vids, and clears abyss easily.
Most RUclipsrs who make vids like skip nahida, hyperbloom is not higest dps team anymore etc dont understand how hard it is for most of us casuals to get good cr/cd artifacts just for 1 dps. Since its pure rng, it might take someone 4-6 months or 1 year too just to get equal stats to that f2p ytuber’s f2p avg build. Its the hard truth. In that situation, is having nahida team, just as backup, is so much to ask? She can be build as meta on day 1 itself, then you are good. Then keep chasing other characters.