"sleezy" is an absolute understatement for this to be honest - Shoving both new characters which have great synergy with each other in the same first half and just conveniently make the rewards the NEXT day their after their banner is over - Creating a "cryo prison" fomo or months and months before to pressure people to pull for Citlali and then launch the archon in the same half as her forcing people to pay money to get both before Citlali presumably "never comes back" - Placing every bad 4 star on the "hype" banners and then placing every 4 star people have been waiting and asking for for ages on the second half to once again pressure people to pull even though they might not need the second half 5 stars because mavuika is a direct power creep to arlecchino You have to call out these disgusting and absolutely scummy business practices the way that they are and not understate them just because "you're personally not affected by it much", this is an absolute shitty move on hoyo's end and they should be held accountable for it
Oh and not to mention rerunning Shenhe which people have been asking for for TWO years in the same patch as all of this on a scam banner whose pity points don't even roll over to the next year or whenever they decide to rerun it again to force people to pay EVEN MORE
its not the 4 stars that are bad, its just that only bennet cons are good the other 2 doesnt really gain much from cons (at least not something special also cmon bennet? again?) but i disagree on the "scummy" buisness practices because its a gacha game not a hero shooter or an MMO and having 2 new characters on the same banners is bad (i dont like mavuika so im not gonna give my opinion on something that doesnt affect me because i know i wont make any good points)
@@DR9Y you could make an argument the four stars are pretty decent for a new player, but for the veterans or even people who have been playing for more than maybe half a year those 4 stars are a total slap in the face I understand it's a gacha game but that doesn't exempt them from being called out for bad business practices regardless, if you keep letting companies get away with things like this just because "what do you expect" they will keep digging lower because the playerbase is basically insensitive to how bad they're being treated
@@rawan2709 not letting them go that far but yeah at some point we gotta draw the line and those 4 stars are more than just a slap they are a PUNCH none of these 4 stars is useful once you get your hands on some 5 star supports except bennet ofc
You're way to upset over a game that doesn't require you to spend or pull anything. My goodness, take a break. You know you could have been saving all the free wishes. I've played the game since day 1. I have a ton of character, even many recent 5 stars like nahida (c2), neuvillette, furina, xilonen. The only character going into this banner I didn't have that I probably should have pulled was arlecchino. And I might be missing 1 4 star character at this point, most c6. And yet I have close to 350 free wishes sitting on my account. So I get to make a choice which of the characters to pull. I could try to get everyone like a degenerate or pick which I want most and retain my rainy day free wishes for when something releases and I really want it. That way I don't have to spend money to get it. The problem is that so many of you have no self control, want everything, and want it for free. You sound like literal children. It's sad.
This is the problem I had and why I'm not wishing this banner. It irks me. I would completely understand 2 new characters on the same banner IF they fulfilled entirely different party setups. But the fact that Citlali is Mavuika's BiS melt support - and then with the stats I've seen on Mavuika's sig weapon compared to others... I know signatures aren't necessary, but it's leaving a lot of POTENTIAL if you decide AGAINST it.
@@arisangga246 Look at the numbers for team comp - Mavuika gets more value out of Citlali because Xilonen can be replaced by Kazuha/Sucrose. Of course, the damage ceiling isn't as high, but Citlali has a higher weight value than Xilonen being replaced by Kazuha or Sucrose.
worst thing to me is mavuika E doesnt last long enough unless you have her c1 (which is what i pulled) cuz i sure dont give a fuck about mavuika onfield, she is just gonna be a xiangling replacement for ganyu melt lol
All this could've been avoided if they hadn't marketed Mauvika and the 20 pulls together. For the casual player they see "Stand with Mauvika" with 20 free pulls in the same image and assume they will get those pulls for her. Its obviously intentional as they also put the new release in the same phase. P.S. You can like a game and hate predatory monetization at the same time.
+1 on the P.S. : I don't think the entertainment industry has ever been a wholesome paragon in any point in history unfortunately (to either the fans or the people who do the work). On the fans side, someone advertises 50/50 tickets at least three times per game/match for a professional sports event, and the gambling ads are all over the place when you're streaming matches or reading various web sites about the players or teams. The race to the bottom for quality of movies and TV series is another discussion, lol. On the workers' side, every part of the entertainment industry has had massive issues: writers for film, book authors for Amazon Kindle, anime inbetweeners, performers in every industry (sports or acting).
"You can like a game and hate predatory monetization at the same time." This should be the way.... but based on my experience most people are simply unable to separate the good and bad sides of something. They either like the whole thing or hate it all. Its really sad... because if we called out and punished predatory monetization in the gaming industry, it would be a much better place for everyone.
@@gabor3432for me genshin ended in Fontaine. Idk what in the actual heck happened but after they released natlan everything slowly went to the depths of the "abyss" and most of my favorite cc and genshin tiktokers also quit genshin. I honestly don't know what happened.
Some of these comments aint it. Obv its a gacha game that cares about profits but they shouldn't be putting two new 5 stars on the 1st phase without increasing rewards, and having the 20 pull on phase 2 (along with the new 4 star and chevy) feels scummy. Personally i wish they would do what zzz is doing amd just have all the banners run the full version duration.
I think the most greedy thing they did was put Keqing and Qiqi on the Chronicled Wish banner. 1- These are older characters that people want just because they love them and Genshin refuses to rerun them due to greed, but they still want you to use intertwined fates on them instead of standard banner wishes. 2- The wishes that you have so far on limited 5 star banners doesn't count because this is a completely different set of banner. 3- You can pick who you want, but you can still lose your 50/50 which means you need to save 180 wishes to guarantee a character that's not in the meta anymore. 4- We were told that Chronicled Wish would come back around, but it's been so long people weren't sure it was going to happen. 5- Imagine losing to a standard banner character on Chronicled Wish. Now you're out up to 90 wishes and you aren't even guaranteed on your next limited character banner. 6- They wait until after the Mavuika/Citlali banner, during the Arle/Chlorinde banner, right before the Furina banner (if rumors are correct) and want you to have 180 fates to get a character that can't compete with newer characters?
I disagree. Maybe it's not that obvious for Keqing and Qiqi but back in the Mondstadt banner, many were happy to pull for Mona since many didn' t have her as you are not sure you can pull her when losing a 50/50, so this gives you an opportunity. Just don't pick them and yes, you can still lose 50/50 but that's true for any banner/gacha.
@@WyvernVin i would agree with this take before the anniversary where they give a 5* picker. before it wasnt possible to get a standard of your choice but now all you have to do is wait long enough and you get them for free. losing to a standard on chronicled now would feel like shitttttttttttt. and it will happen to many people.
No offense but I think jello is missing the point. The problem with this banner is literally the way Mauvika kit works and Citlali being her preferred support it pressures u into feeling like u have to get both to enjoy the archon and the fact that u need Natlan characters to play her dps punishes people who were saving for her idk it comes off as sleezy and ruins a character for a lot of people. It’s funny cause I’m a whale so I feel less affected by this but at the same time I feel the pressure to get them both as well so both whales and ftp are affected.
I hope Jello sees your comment. The main problem here is indeed Mavuika's kit and how she depends so heavily on the previous premium supports specifically xilonen and citlali. He said to save and pull for the character you want which is a dilemma cause by saving you most likely have skipped her basically mandatory supports. Now you wonder if all that saving is worth getting such a half-baked character, is it worth pulling now and wait upwards of literal years for re-runs to fix Mavuika........
I'm confident that most people were expecting the Archon to be the pinnacle of what the element represents while being inexpensive to build and flexible following the trend of all the other Archons. Furina and Nahida are some of the most impactful units on any account, Mavuika brought absolutely nothing except being just another Pyro dps in an already oversaturated roster with more restricts.... She's unnecessarily p2w for such an important character....
Would it be better if they first release Citlali, we would not know how important she is, skipped her, and later they released Mavuika and ppl with Citlali would show us what we missing?
I hear what you’re saying, but also having one after the other is also a problem because you don’t know for sure how well they work together until it’s too late Extending both banners would have been the best solution
Disagree with stacked banners not being an issue, especially with Neuvilette getting his 2nd rerun before many Fontaine characters got their 1st rerun, coupled with Zhongli being a very popular pick. They've put them here on purpose and even went on their way to skip several characters that would need a rerun way more solely to drain people"s primos as much as they can, even if it means forcing people to wait for longer for other characters. This is definitely a part of the insane FOMO campaign going on with 5.3
f2p players shouldnt get all characters its about making choices. If i was to present gacha games to a friend i would say this is a resource managment game so if you didnt get pulls for the character you want its a skill issue.
@@salinalunara i couldnt care less about hoyo this are my honest toughts and i also dont lsiten to CC's opinion because i have a brain to think by myself. edit: btw im f2p and i got both characters but for that i skiped neuvillet and others, also i play since 1.0 and i NEVER used a single pull on weapon banner or pulled for a single constelation since i rather have diferent characters. tldr be smart with your resource managment
@@salinalunara its not how i intend to play, thats what gacha games are, thats why they even have a time gathed resource, so you cant just grind it forever and get everything you want. you need to predict and think ahead and properly manage all your resources (talent materials/mora/resin/primos). of course you can just forget everything i said if you are willing to spend money
@Balbaneth that's just an excuse. They could have split the banners as usual. Hoyo just saw the lantern rite as an out to put both new characters in phase 1. It's obviously a money making strat, nothing to do with sacred Chinese New year.
Its like giving you 2 cups of water after squeezing you dry. A consolation reward, enough to not have you totally quit. Then the shills will then come in and tell you "See, they are generous."
it’s a cumulative problem. it starts with two new 5* characters who synergize together being released at the same time (with the fan favorite having the other character in her best team). then you have the first rerun of the (now second) most popular pyro dps on the second half. then you have the higher pull value 4* characters on the second phase of the patch. then you have shenhe (who has not run since alhaitham’s *initial* release) on the chronicled wish that hasn’t dropped yet and will likely not come back again for a long time. the 20 pulls on the second half is the icing on the shit cake. yeah, you can save and get lucky. and no, this problem doesn’t affect me much since i got lucky with citlali and mavuika. but that doesn’t mean i can’t be upset at the strategic placement of the 20 pulls.
I can't help but to feel like genshin has a declining population and with banners like these(2 new chars at the same time), they are just squeezing whales.. LMAO
correct, hoyo is panicking because their revenue is at all time low, now they are trying to milk players as much as possible. One good example is mavuika's kit purposely designed such that players only benefit her kit the most with specific characters
Man, I would love a standard weapon banner selector. There's minimum three different weapons out of them that would be more useful for me than getting any of the characters at this point
I think given how Mavuika comes with such a big caveat of needing nightsoul contributers in party mates, it's actually smarter to wait for rerun if you aren't driven by a compulsive need to obtain every new character ASAP. By the time of the rerun we should have a better idea of how she fares with that nightsoul requirement. One similar example in Star Rail is Topaz. At her debut there was no way of knowing how good she'd be. It was only after follow up meta was more matured that her pull value during rerun was more reasonable. As for Citlali... she's decent as a support but she's not the next coming of Kazuha/Xilonen so I wouldn't personally place too much value on her to begin with. If you start to notice content creators only describing Citlali's worth in the context of being a support for 1 single character in the entire game (Mavuika) that just diminishes her real value even more.
eh plss feixaio destroys everything with or without topaz just using moze/march. I have both of them and topaz aint it. She is a luxury pull like xianyun. You either like plunge or you dont. Robin is far more important than topaz. She is way more value overall.
@@RandomPersonOf2005Rosaria upgrade is a good way to put it. She does okay damage and buffs a few carry DPS while enabling reactions. Her shield is not gonna save you against most enemies. Those ruin sentinel worms shredded her in the trial
We can NOT fault them for giving free 20 pulls on THEIR holiday. That was the norm. My problem is that they released both new characters at the same time😭
there should be 2 solutions 1. make citlali to 2nd phase which is supposed to happen instead of this 2.extend their banner to full 5.3 and make it overlap to make 4 limited banners in the 2nd phase simultaneously
@@eszterfodor1136 I AGREE hoyo have a lot of options they could just separate mavuika and citlali or put them together in 2nd phase and yet they chose to burn the kitchen TRULY EVIL AND GREEDY
yeah 2 very old characters thats most veterans have at c6 and one character is new but given for free.... i hate how they always put very old 4* with new powerful characters
Exactly like I’m not mad that mavuika and Citlali are on the first half All the gachas I played did that, my problem is the 4 stars Ik they want to capitalize on “hey we need to make an interested in the 2nd half” but I think if they tweaked just a little bit it I wouldn’t be mad
tl;dr: shitty timing happened and genshin isn't going to adjust their schedule. making sure natlan and lantern rite are seperate to not infringe on each other is more than likely, imo, what happened. it's poor planning rather than unvarnished greed. genshin has always had a chinese new year celebration event equivalence in the game, and you can usually predict when it's going to happen. you also know that rewards for lantern rite are going to be for that part of the patch and hoping they would be earlier is a bit naive. you also are aware of when mavuika (not sure about citlali, can't really account for that) was coming as people accurately predicted. many people stopped spending around 5.1 for savings. the people who didn't choose to save were poor planners--even if they didn't know when mavuika was coming, they could surmise that mavuika would be during the first half of the version based on previous versions. it's more than likely genshin wanted to keep natlan and lantern rite seperate. there's also the matter that cn side would eviserate genshin for anything that may take away focus from lantern rite, as well as feeling as though genshin isn't treating chinese new year seriously by placing new non-liyue characters into lantern rite. last year, cn side loudly complained about shenhe's dress having more focus than lantern rite. cn side can be very brutal as they have access to a government that is very willing to censor anything and cn fans will use that to their advantage. they're already pretty sensitive about anything percieved as a slight against them and genshin will feel their scorn a lot more in their homebase rather than overseas. now, do i think it's a good idea that genshin has 2 new characters running at the same time? no, i don't like it but this was bound to happen eventually, it just unfortunately presented itself during a hype patch. the 6 week schedule would have eventually ovderlapped with lantern rite / chinese new year. i don't think there was going to be any wimnning. if mavuika was released first half and citlali the 2nd, people would complain about mavuika not being during the lantern rite rewards. if citlali was released first half, people would complain that mavuika and citlali couldnt be tested immediately together and see if it was right to skip her for mavuika and that they were sacrificing citlali's banner sales, and that she should be during the rewards. cn would have complained about new characters taking away focus from cn's time to shine--the rerun characters aren't new and therefore, don't have any real hype surrounding them to detract from chinese new year. also, zzz is going through a soft relaunch and is trying out different things with it and what was likely a 2nd phase banner character getting turned into a free character. hsr has a massive issue with releasing mutliple 5 stars that get powercreeped a few patches later, so the "generous" currency you keep getting can't keep up with the quickly progressing meta. these games all have their issues but people get comfy and cozy with businesses that, at the end of the day, want your money and have different business models in place to make up for something else that's missing. "x gacha game is so generous" congradulations on falling for their propoganda and allowing them to swindle you with false niceties. they do not care for you, they do not care that you're f2p, they do not care about anything but giving you money. genshin is less egregious about pulling money from you as their endgame content (and content in general) isn't designed hard enough to force you to pull new characters for it but it's going make up in other ways to get your money. also, people thought the banners lasting all patch is cause of leaks? well, now i know where a good portion of the unrealistic expectations came from since people ran with this like it was law. this is what i keep saying, taking leaks as factual just stirs up drama when they don't happen.
I get what you mean for the most part, however I skipped Xilonen in 5.1 to save for Mavuika. I thought the same as you, starting to save around 5.1 would be best. I knew Xilonen was great and might be useful for Mavuika, but the archons used to be a class of their own and flexible in multiple kinds of teams even without their best teammate(s). However now I don't have Xilonen for Mavuika and Citlali is in the same banner as Mavuika. Mavuikas teams are much more restricted compared to other archons. If I skip Citlali I don't know when I will be able to get a decent Natlan support for Mavuika.
This tbh. NEVER take leaks as law. They can and will change before the actual thing the leak was talking about. This is just a really bad timing on the banner that might hit sales but I know some people are tired of hearing this but...we really can't do anything this time cuz no matter what hoyo does, people will still complain
They've been making a LOT of questionable decisions lately. Going back on their own rules for Chronicled Wish, stacking two new characters in one phase, slashing the number of husbandos, leaning hard into a more controversial modern look in Natlan, the exaggerated >.< O.O expressions on characters, the slightly weird 'harem game' feel of recent quests... Makes one wonder if there hasn't been some sort of change of leadership somewhere in the hierarchy.
Well genshin players allow it. It startws when you accepted this 50/50 system. Imagine this system in real life where you pay real money for a product but get something else.
Don't be a shill... A scummy move like this is expected from a company like this... I'll just waste my 80/90 pulls, lose my 100th 50/50 and I won't get either one of them and then I'll just move on... Simple... It's not worth wasting energy or losing my sanity over a gacha game like this... Hope I'll get Citlali in her next rerun in 2030... Don't let this ruin your New Year guys... Just chill and hope for the best... Peace!! ✌️
You’re being sarcastic but this is genuinely the way to play. Don’t lose sanity over a free mobile game. Somebody will always be short of primos, it doesn’t matter if they want to extend the patch, it doesn’t matter if they want the character to be in the second phase, if you’re short of primos you’ll feel defeated. So don’t lose sanity and either play the game or not. If you want to wait for a rerun and they never rerun unluckily then don’t lose sanity. Some people get all upset when you tell them not to play the game, as if you’re defending Genshin and telling them to stop complaining, but usually that person is bitter and doesn’t want to stop playing the game because they’re something along the lines of addicted. Truth is, telling somebody not to play the game is what hurts Hoyoverse the most. If Hoyo makes enough mistakes and loses enough players, they lose their money maker. Real life is always more worthwhile than this game, so if you have trouble playing it, quitting is the best devsision for yourself and the biggest 🖕 to Hoyo.
@@narukami6364 exactly, playing the game for free pulls is still funding the company through an active player base The Enviosity fallacy of spending no money being good is just wrong, you can still be a time whale
I had 50k primos and 30 fates, and I wanted c2 mavuika and c0 citlali. Instead I lost the 50/50 three times to Qiqi and only managed to get c0 for both characters and no pulls for Shenhe or any character going forward. Fuck this game
We deserve it I play GI on and off since launch, PGR for 3 years (half in Global, then I move to CN), Wuwa and ZZZ since release, and Aether Gazer (I tried HSR but turn based turn me off) and tried many other gacha game and I have to say that both the dev and the playerbase of GI suck balls compared to any other gacha game. Someone should do 2.0 Wuwa VS 5.3 GI in depth comparison
5.3 Reminds me that Genshin hasn't changed at all I still play it despite its flaw but goddamn I do get pissed everytime this kinda thing happen. It reminds me of the fact that MHY don't give a fuck about us and will absolutely do everything to get a dime more out of its player base. Putting aside the fact that I lose 50/50 to Qiqi in Mavuika banner after losing 50/50 to Qiqi in Xilonen banner (I got Xilonen, Mavuika, Citlali in the end but average pull of 60/pity mean I did a total of 300 pull to get them, I literally only get 3 character in the past 7 months, before that I get Arlecchino). The QoL is still lacking, they put traversal behind limited 5 star, they have one of the worst hard and soft pity number to the currency ratio to any other gacha game out there. They don't give much of A rank/4 star, we don't even have reliable way to get them on top of the super awful rerun cycle for 4 star, let alone 5 star. 4 Fucking years and we got 1 standard selector and an extra 10 fckin pull at best with occasional another 10 pull if we are lucky while the base pull is roughly 50 pull/patch if that The game isn't even that good, we got shit ton of competition, the game barely changes and improve. Back then we can give the benefit of the doubt since the game cost to develop was one of the highest in the gacha scene and the quality was one cut above the rest, but it isn't the case anymore yet we still being treated like shit and we deserve it edit: I got a total of 8 Limited characters, 6 Standard character, 3 Limited weapon, 4 standard weapon in the past half a year playing Wuwa and I only buy Welkin equivalent. That is a total of 21 5 star. Even with decent luck I only got like 10 5 star in my first half a year of GI as welkin player and the past half a year I got 3 limited and 3 standard chara on GI which is just pathetic. (unfortunately I lose 50/50 on Changli and got C1 in someone else so despite 8 is the total limited chara released, I only have 7 unique chara and the only standard chara I don't have is Jianxin, I'm certain we will get Standard selector in 1st anniv and I will skip weapon banner to make sure I have Changli so I'm confident I will have everyone by 2.2)
Then the CN community starts going mad there are new not CN characters getting preferential treatment during Chinese New Year and the people who wanted to pull for Arlecchino and Clorinde will complain that their banners weren't extended as well. They can't win! Some people have not dealt with problems irl and it shows.
I know a lot of people who aren't even pulling on the first half. Many people I've talked to are waiting for Arlecchino. They plan on waiting for Mavuika to rerun. Then there are people like me who have been waiting/saving for Shenhe. Not everyone wants Mavuika. I will consider her for the future. I just used all my extra saved pulls on Zhongli/Neuvillette cons. Lets face it: we had/have Zhongli, Neuvillette, Mavuika, Citlali, Clorinde, and Arlecchino(not to mention the chronicled wish) all back to back. That right there is a lot. I don't think they could have really done things much different, switching the order around wouldn't really make that much of a difference in the end. F2P will have to wait and save for someone no matter what. I have saved since the last Shenhe banner just to get her(that was how I had extra to use on Zhongli/Neuvillette) I was even able to "build some pity" getting Ororon. F2P/welkin only like myself need to be patient and wait for reruns. Hopefully most don't have to wait through a whole region just to get the character they want.
this happens literally every single year. I remember last year people were mad because there were Shenhe and Xiao in the first half and free pulls in the second
If only they divided the banners - first the Archon with Clorinde then Citlali with Arle - and balanced the 4 stars, by putting Chevy on the 1st phase instead of Diona for example... The backlash wouldnt be as crazy. We'd know anyway that Citlali works with Mavuika thanks to the leaks. Ofc the gacha company will suck all your money if it can, but Genshin always felt more f2p friendly than other gachas, so this sudden behavior is giving desperate 😅
they cannot do a free 5star selector bc it's illegal to advertise a character as time-limited and then give them for free in case of tighnari and dehya, they were advertised in the livestream as standard characters with 1 limited banner so that's different but a standard weapon selector would be nice
1:25 the fact of "is it justified or not" lies in the simple fact that star rail gives you free pulls as soon as you open the new patch to pull for the NEW CHARACTER, they don't wait for the 2nd half. They never did that, Genshin after 4 years still makes a joke out of their player, and it's honestly infuriating.
Also, if they at least left Citlali in the 2nd half that would've been super acceptable, Mavuika will get a lot of rerun anyway and regularly, but putting Citlali in the 1st half together with Mavuika and not even extending the banner duration... Like, I'm okay with it, what I find crazy is that they squeezed together 2 new characters while Citlali is Mavuika's best support... Anyway I'm probably mad just because I spent my primos on Neuvilette LMAO
My problem with it is how much Mauvika wants Citlali. They're milking players of up to 360 wishes just to complete the new op dps. And with how rarely they rerun Cryo, who knows if we'll get Citlali again anytime soon. Wriothesly & Charlotte STILL haven't gotten their first reruns (400+ days). Ganyu & Shenhe haven't had a rerun in ~600 days and we're only getting them thanks to Chronicled...
Yeah it's complete BS, and I can't even understand why, if they changed the 4* or put Citlali on the 2nd half, everyone would've been happy and they wouldn't lose any sales. It's the usual one step forward two steps back that Hoyo does...
I think the biggest lesson/takeaway for me since I first started playing is that 1) you HAVE to pull with a plan in order to not get super angry/upset with how gacha works where some people may get Very lucky and others not at all knowing that there will be predatory practices, and 2) be prepared to change your plan based on your needs, because even with everyone you want… eventually they’ll rerun although I should be prepared to wait a year+. I originally planned to pull both Mavuika and Citlali after I have basically barely pulled since 4.7 during Furina’s rerun (for context, I am an intermittent Welkins/BP player). But looking at the 4* now… I’m going to go with only one of them because I lost the 50/50 and C6ed two of the 3 4* and if I have my druthers… I prefer the second half four stars. This means waiting (forever) for a Citlali rerun but I was thankfully planning to pull for rerun characters anyway (I want the entire Fontaine cast… but slow and steady wins the race I guess.)
This is outright gross like I’m not even gonna lie the timing of the rewards isn’t bad it’s that they shoved citlali alongside mavuika in the first half
Just you wait for the "Tencentification" of it. No company is your friend. (I know you are probably memeing but I know people who thinks like this for real)
@@hlonghi lmao creating fictional situations when the fact that Hoyofication is in front of you says how delusional the fanbase is. Yes, no company is your friend, but in the end, Kuro never did that in PGR even though they're struggling to keep the game up, why do it now in Wuwa which is a successful venture?
Dude. Have you seen the two banners for 1.4 second half and 2.0 1st half? Yinlin is the best partner for Xiangli Yao and and Zhezi is so far the best partner for Carlotta. WuWa also does the same lol
rude or shrewd? At the end of the day, Hoyo is a business. But I do appreciate the people that complain or are upset, it shows investment in the game, ya'll care a lot!!
so because you're a guide maker and spend hundreds of dollars a patch to get every character you don't really care that at the most hype time they break convention and screw over free or low spenders cuz they shouldnt get every character? i think you're out of touch with the mindset of a low spender, we rely on convention and consistency to plan our pulls and when they break that at the most meta defining time requiring us a maximum of 320 pulls in 21 days its a little more than just "oh ur f2p u shouldnt be getting every character its not a big deal"
What were you expecting, his channel is named Jello IMPACT. e's a full blown hoyoshill and he doesn't even try to hide it, plus this isn't the first time he's defended and/ignored the problems of this shitty game 😂
I think the far bigger problem than time gating 20 pulls is 2 synergy new 5 stars in 1 half. 20 pulls isn't gonna make a difference. If you can't get 2 new 5 stars in one half with what you have saved/planning on saving chances are 20 extra pulls won't make a difference.
Where tf are y’all getting that he’s a hoyoshill from? Jello actually stated that this was scummy of them? Just cause it doesn’t affect him personally y’all mad he’s okay with the double banner? Blame yourselves for the lack of discipline and not learning how to save. You mfs want every single character and pull on every banner and y’all expect to get everyone? Stfu, I don’t mind that it’s a double new banner, I mind that the 4star are fucking trash. That was 100% scummy on their part
@@WanderingPoro_217did you guys even watch the video? He said it doesn’t affect him and it actually helps him with recommendations, but he acknowledged that it is scummy and greedy from hoyo.
I like genshin but hoyo is not being a little sleezy they are being very sleezy. It's not something rare either, they are consistently being incredibly greedy and they dont need to since they make 100m a month combined with other games at bare minimum. They can try for once and do something good for the players. This is why it's nice for them to have competition like WuWa who seems to be treating their players better. Ever since WuWa dropped some good quality of life changes starting appearing in Genshin, coincidence i think not. I'm thankful for WuWas existence as it's not only a nice game but pushes hoyo to improve their games.
Man, this shouldn't be sugarcoated: it is absolutely disgusting that they're doing this, not just sleazy or lame. I wasn't planning on pulling for either of these characters at all, but I was planning on picking Genshin up again after dropping it mid 5.1, although now I'm starting to have second thoughts. This treatment is not acceptable... What they did for the chronicled banner was, indeed, going back on their word but for the betterment of the player experience: it was a bummer that a character had to have had two whole reruns before being able to be on the banner, so they openly changed that rule; what they did for the Wish-2 thing (which, by the way, I didn't know they stated that it was for reruns only, thank you for pointing it out since it makes this situation even worse) is literally break their own rules without giving a heads up in advance or anything of the sort. Yes, it does make sense that the rewards are in the second half, I even thought so myself; yes, it does make sense that they didn't extend the banner for the whole version because that would've been too good to be true and I never even heard it mentioned before; but they could've at the very least have split the two characters in two separate phases (which shouldn't even have to be mentioned since it seems it was stated that the second banner wasn't for new characters), not to mention putting the most wanted character, the archon, in the second half, alongside the rewards. It is every word that you mentioned, but it is also just awful...
-Genshin having double banners absolutely sucks for f2p and is removing the huge possibility of ever getting all those you want -yeah they could have double banners but then they need to do it like ZZZ where the new releases last the entire patch + more login rewards -it takes waaaay longer to grind any pulls in Genshin and hoyos gacha model itself is already disgusting enough (mind you 160 primos is like 30+ chests, depending on which region you farm (some have 0 gem commons, most chests are like 5 primos) and what rarity they are and that's only ONE pull, you need 75 per 5 star on average and 150+ if 5050 lost) -putting THE ARCHON and one of the most anticipated characters of Natlan in one and the same patch half is insane, I already complained when they put good characters so close together but if they now add characters AND their best support into the same half consistently then that'll be awful, this is already awful -please always remember that obtaining pulls is very hard for f2p, even a low spender (5€ monthly card and maybe bp) already has a hard time, I am a low spender character collector because I enjoy collecting them all and having crazy teams to play around with, this is basically hell for me (luckily I farmed Natlan dry but that took hours AND I won both 5050s but still) -I think this is scummy, it is absolutely wild to NOT extend their banners the whole patch like ZZZ does but have the skin run the whole patch even though its lantern rite related -they REALLY have to up their rewards eventually, giving away a free of choice Liyue 5 star for lantern rite would be something that wouldnt even hurt them much because, I am sorry, they're all powercrept as hell AND they released years ago. If other games can give us free 5 stars that JUST RELEASE THAT PATCH then Genshin can give us the choice between a few of them that released 4 years or so ago -always remember that hoyo is already a super stingy gacha company with very predatory ways of trying to get you to spend money, please remember the weapon banner pre-changes in this case too (not the recent ones, the one at when Tectone pulled for Homa) -giving us ONE Liyue 4 star of choice and a few pulls is very little, other gacha games give a ton of free characters regularly, hell even their own other games have a 300 standard banner pity where you choose a 5 star AND a 5 star in 50 pulls AND all those 50 pulls are cost reduced, we have the Noelle banner (20 pulls max cost reduced, you get Noelle and nothing else usually) -HSR gave a free standard banner selector AND a free DrRatio AND their events usually give a pool of the latest few 4 stars to select from AND you can purchase the event weapons from the herta shop if you missed an event AND they catalogue past events and you can still earn the gems for them there (not all but a lot) -other games like Arknights let you redeem 6 stars for free (if you save the starglitter) after a while, others let you outright buy a copy (I think Nikke does this), they also let you buy constellations this way or a limited amount of pulls on a monthly basis -friendly reminder that Genshin split the primo income for endgame over two modes (IT and Abyss) while lowering the amount of times it resets (thus keeping the gain the same almost but you have to clear two modes for it) -friendly reminder that other games in general do small things to keep their communities happy, such as giving away a monthly pass to everyone (arknights) or giving extra stamina/battery/resin a day (zzz) or having a weekly mode where you get a standard pull and a free pull (hsr) where as Genshin lacks all of that How do I know? I play ZZZ, HSR, Genshin and Arknights. I see how all the other hoyo games do it and how other companies do it (my friends play Nikke and some other gachas that give hundreds of pulls a year, Genshin gives like 20 for an occaison or two and gets celebrated because we are that starved on pulls lol). I think this whole situation just highlights Hoyos greed. And to reduce it down to "scummy but acceptable" is slightly dismissing just how much mistreated the Genshin players already are in terms of rewards. And how much f2p and even low spenders truly cannot enjoy this game sometimes (and please remember, f2p/low spenders are the backbone of gachas, they're the most active player base and they will be vocal if mistreated and player numbers will drop eventually thus making it worse for everyone because that'll lead to companies doubling down and trying to milk the whales dry as much as they can before the game eventually dies down).
Damn bro, i just stopped at c0 for both. Only took me a total of 130 wishes, i was at around 65 pity so all things considered did pretty well. I did lose a single 50/50 Just need to wait to get c0 iansan and c0r1 skirk now
Purposefully releasing two 5 stars together, purposefully placing the new decent 4 star in the second rerun banner and purposefully placing most rewards in second banner. They are either really desperate or really greedy.
I understand why other players are pissed, but thankfully I'm chilling. I've been saving for Mavuika for a while and so it'll be nice to get a bit of a top-up for the chronicled banners and Clorinde/Arlecchino.
HSR and ZZZ have spoiled us with how generous they are with every new update. I wish Genshin would just give players a free 10 pull as well in every major update. It’s a nice lil bonus and a way to make players log in. Jello mentioned HSR doesn’t give as many pulls in exploration but both HSR/ZZZ give WAY more pulls from the events than Genshin. They just have way more. But what can I say? Genshin never fails to disappoint in some way.
HSR does feel more greedy than Genshin in my opinion. The release of 2 new 5 stars every patch and the fast powercreep makes the returns so bad. Yes, HSR gives on average 30 more pulls per patch but with 2.7 HSR has as many limited 5* units as Genshin did in 4.2 with Furina release. Not to mention some of the broken 4* units genshin has.
I got both as a ftp today. Literally had to use every primogem I had and lost a 50/50, but I got both. Every single 5* pull went to 80 pity, but that’s okay. I have been saving since the start of Natlan and have pulled for no one at all in Natlan. Next time Xilonen comes out, I’ll pick her up too to complete the best team for the pyro archon
This is my first lantern Rite. Is Lan Yan on the upcoming banner in the second half so you can choose someone else/get her const? Or is she only going to available only through the banner now?
she's gonna be on the Arlecchino/Clorinde banner in the 2nd half so if you wish to pull for any of them, you have a chance to get her there and select someone else from Lantern rite
You see people in the comments saying "duh, it's a company", but the reality is this. If it's not done with finesse and it looks very greedy, paying customers might just never pay again.
I think it is fine. Especially for the people who was saving up for her and "missing out" on Xilonen for Mavuika, then having Citlali be her best support is just perfect so they can actually get what they saved up for, an OP char that they love. People are going on an uproar when they don't have to spend a dime on this game. Spend if it makes you happy, and don't when it doesn't.
I saved and saved and saved over 200 wishes for Mavuika. I went past soft pity all 3 times. 78 82 and 81. Giving me 20 pulls is a joke. Glad I dont spend money.
If you're an f2p, I can see why you're causing an uproar about this. But to say this is an act of malice and spite against the players, and this will be the "beginning of Genshin's downfall", I think is a bit foolish.
Absolutely, 2 new character banners, 2 of the most wanted dps, shenhe baizhu chronicled banner...they're clearly trying to break Q1 sales records! It's a tale of caution as they saw that double new banner is popular, so they will do more of these in the future
20 pulls in the grand scheme of this game no matter what is nothing for what your average non whale would need to actually acquire a 5* ANYTHING. I understand Hoyo want to save some rewards for Lantern Rite since it's a big in game event every year, but to me this is a huge fuck you from Hoyo releasing both new characters at the same time SEPARATE from those rewards. And when you factor in that the Chronicled Wish pity is entirely separate from the limited or standard pity and it's being erased the second that banner goes away, those 20 wishes would get wasted on that banner unless you got stupid lucky which again your average player can't expect to happen. I really really wish I could bring home Jade Cutter or Shenhe but I can't justify sacrificing what little primos stash I have rn while I have the Natlan map almost 100%'d and I wouldn't be replenishing the 90>wishes I have saved anytime soon. It just makes me sad having to consistently skip new or old characters I actually do want because the rewards kinda pale in comparison to their other games and their rerun schedules are so fucked up and unfair for who gets one when.
I havent pulled for a Genshin char since Arle. My roster is so stacked from years of playing and pulling that there literally zero reason to pull any more characters, Natlan or otherwise. I'm just waiting to finish the damn story find out wtf happened in the opening cutscene 😔
They should've moved one of the new characters to phase 2. Easy solution, this is not 15 minute material, it's 15 second material. To be honest, they may be greedy, but they're also so tremendously idiotic I feel like it's possible this wasn't an act of greed but an act of not knowing what fucking type of game they're making. It's not an excuse, feigned idiocy is a tactic used by manipulators, you should still blame them otherwise instead of improvement you'll see neglect. 11:08 Also, Jello is a troglodyte, skill issue is an ableist slur, not a casual term to use in every gaming discussion.
This is a non argument. Every company wants money but it matters if how they do it is actually gonna get them money or not. For example, they could increase prices by 10 times or 100 times for the currency. Will that bring them more profit or will a lot of people be upset and quit? If you piss too many peoeple off, they ARE gonna quit, I've done that with several games, including an MMOs I had been playing for 15 years. I had sub, bought everything they put out, had collections counting items in the thousands, but they crossed a limit when they started doing 2-3 *limited time never to come back* promotions every month. Every person has their limit where they feel they're being taken for cash cows instead of respected customers. You can laugh your ass off as much as you want, but your view is a very shallow view that doesn't take into account anything but the surface "company wants money, duh, I'm so smart"...
@ hey so uhhhh, i think you may have misunderstood. I think that companies wanting to milk as much money out of their audience as possible (while trying to remain JUST within limits of not pissing off too many people, but still actively using hostile design that preys upon human psychology and sits dangerously close to gambling) is in and of itself a broken and Bad thing. It’s only a matter of time until that game “crosses the line,” so to speak.
Ehhh, doesn't seem like pure greed to me. Lantern rite was pretty obviously going to be socond half, and the lantern rite rewards would be second half too. And it was also pretty obvious Mavuika would be first half. So its more not going out of the way to be generous by breaking a pattern than being greedy. Except for running 2 new 5 stars on first half. But It also kinda makes sense to run Mavuika and Citlali at the same time. Because shes not that good without a nightsoul battery, so they need to run a nightsoul battery at the same time so she's playable on release for people who didn't pull xilonen. They could either run citlali the second half, and let mavuika be pretty bad the entire first half, put citlali in the banner before mavuika and half the players would skip her and then be stuck with a weak mavuika, or run them at the same time, so players can put together a strong team on release (if theyve been saving / are a whale). The other option is to make citlali a 4 star, and have 2 new 4 stars in one patch, and that wasnt going to happen
I saved quite a bit for the Archon, so it didn't end up hurting me at all. Idk, it doesn't seem to me this is "greed"... In the long term I don't think it will affect sales too much. Some people will have to wait for a rerun, that sort of thing happens. It happens all the time, crazily strong characters being concentrated in a really short span of time. And Arlecchino is supposed to be a really good character, so it's not like the second banner is a total dud. For people that wanted to pull for Citlali and Mavuika, and both of their weapons, this way it ends up being better. If it were a Arlecchino/Mavuika banner, and I got Arlecchino's weapon, that would suck, because those characters heavily overlap with each other, and I would not be incentivized to pull of Arlecchino even having her weapon. People gotta prepare, adapt, and figure out their priorities.
i was excited for this weapon banner since both are good weapons but lost to sky atlas dupe instead of lali's xd got the claymore after but kind of wanted to have both weapons, now lali is just gonna have to settle with ttds.
@@ChiriKain I have two accounts. In one I got Mavuika's weapon first try, the second account lost to a standard weapon. Indeed, losing to Citlali's weapon and then getting Mavuika's would have been the best. If I'm not using Nahida, I can use Nahida's signature on my Citlali. But who knows, it's possible I end up using TTDS anways.
@@DiogoVKersting If you want both weapons you should cancel the fate point, then repick one to focus if you lose to a standard weapon. This way on the second weapon you can't get 2 standards in a row so you are guaranteed one of the banner weapons. If you get the one you didnt focus then the 3rd will be the one you did. If on the second weapon you did get the one you focused then you are out nothing cause your fate point would reset here anyways. Basically if you have bad luck it will only take you 3 pity pulls. If you have medium luck 4 pity pulls. (which is the best you get with bad luck usually) and with good luck it is still just 2 pity pulls.
@@logikx1325 Yeah, I heard that technique, but I don't want Citlali's weapons that badly. I went for Mavuika's constellations instead. The ideal case would indeed have been losing to Citlali's signature, meaning I got the weapon for up to ~70 pulls. Insisting on her weapon would mean having to invest up to ~140 pulls after already having invested up to ~70 pulls. It's just not worth it. I do believe it's the weapon with the higher ceiling in terms of sustain+team DPS, but Mavuika's consteallations are just much more impactful.
Yup, as an F2P, I know I only get around 2-3 guaranteed 5-stars every year, so my picks are: 1) the Archon of the region, 2) the best support of the region, and maybe an additional character or a 5-star weapon. That’s it. If you want every good character, you have to pay.
I’m mostly f2p (I only spent money to get Scaramouche because I love the character but I don’t spend in general) and honestly this feels pretty normal. We often have stacked patches where you want basically everyone. I’m lucky as I don’t want mauvika or citlali but having them be together is not easy if someone wanted both, generally it’s easier to get characters if they are on different halves. Also given this is unprecedented and thus unlikely people would have accounted for it doesn’t help. And I’m pretty sure leaks were all saying they’d last the entire time so people likely expected that more than needing to rush to get both at once. But again, this is pretty normal as an f2p player, so often you’ll get 2 great characters you want together. Saving the rewards until after definitely feels scummy the only way I can see it being less so is if you view it as giving you a leg up for afterwards but that’s being honestly more generous than they deserve. Hoyo knows what they are doing and this is probably more targeting medium spenders. We’ve had six very sought after characters all close to each other plus chronicled which has fomo given a lot of these units haven’t run in a while and probably won’t be back any time soon. Unfortunately Genshin just isn’t the most generous of gacha, a lot of other games give you more for just playing but also have less ways to earn it yourself. I am curious if releasing 2 new characters together will become a trend.
Yeah the musicians playing music to try to calm the passengers like Genshin some of the community is trying to calm down the other part of the community, jex, it was a tragedy and accident the Olympic crashed into another ship and britannic struck a mine .basic history but if you want to watch a theory on the movie titanic film theory did a idea that jack was a time traveler
Being on XBox we're nearly 4 years behind. So there's a lot of catching up to do. I'm happy we can buy this Battle Pass this update. We couldn't buy the last one.
I feel like people are being dumb here, you get 20 pulls period, not 20 pulls for this patch's banner. You can save them for any banner even a future muavika rerun. It does suck I'll only get one of them this patch being F2P, but having multiple DPS and most meta supports means I don't need either anyway.
Truee. In LaDS we do get extra pulls from certain new banners, but the caveat is it's only usable for that banner (though there's the occasional free permanent ones). It converts to standard wishes after the event. 🥲
Honestly, they could have solved a couple of problems in one fell swoop. Instead of breaking the rerun rules they made for the Liyue Chronicled Wish they could have given away a free Shenhe. It wouldn't be a huge game changer for the meta and no one would be complaining about their greed.
yeah, but it could entirely be avoided if the devs didn’t put two new op chars (including an Archon) in the first patch, making it an impossible situation NOT to pull. If the devs have put those two chars at the 2nd patch (or at least one of them), players would have more time to prepare and pull. But no the devs want more money, hence putting more valuable chars at the first patch, forcing people to spend more
Putting 2 of their new top characters on banners at the same time AND every 4 star is someone either everyone has or no one wants; not to mention the "free" wishes come in AFTER Phase 1? Genshin has the power to give us these free wishes half way through phase 1
I feel it's just disappointing that the pyro archons release didn't get any events besides the typical story quest event. You got Mavuika, Citlali and the new archon/story quests. That's it and that's my main issue.
Well that’s because Genshin devs are trying to convince players that new characters are content And that we only need a new thing to buy, not fun things to do
It's definitely the combination of factors that's the issue. They're released at the same time, in a first for the game, just ahead of LR rewards, AND they're BiS teammates for one another.
Spammed 120 wishes and I got Jean, Mavuika and Citlali. So grateful! The next 20 days I'm gonna save up for Mavuika's weapon. I hope all of you the best in your pulls!
And to think this all could have been avoided if they just extended the banner for the entire patch of 5.3 like so many CCs were guesstimating cause they did it in their other games leading to the expectation that Genshin would do the same.
I would've liked a decent chance to get both Mavuika and Citlali considering I love both of them, but even if I was a higher paying player it'd still feel bad, it's one thing to need to drop a couple hundred dollars CAD to guarantee 1-2 constellations on a single character in a month. It's an entirely different proposition to double that amount (Assuming hard pity or wanting more than C0) people have other things to pay for like you know, groceries and bills, I'm not dipping into savings for a gacha game lmao. Edit: I gotta say this too, I play Arknights, every like 3-4 months you can pay 35$ CAD and pick the exact 6* Unit that you want. Hell even FGO a game that has 100x worse pity than Genshin still offers 2 Lucky Bags that give you a guaranteed 5* Unit (Albeit you cannot select them it's RNG from a pool), Hoyo making anyone think it's acceptable to need to pay so much for a single character is wild to me.
@@mainfish88 I've literally only pulled for characters I've wanted lmao, I've got my neuv, I've got my arle, I've got a decent account. I also don't no life the game like a second job, not a rice picker trying to squeeze every last drop of primo's every patch. Also you haven't offered anything to the conversation, I've given 2 examples from two of the highest grossing mobile games, if they can still make fat stacks while being kind to their f2p players (Which make up like 95% of the playerbase) then why can't Hoyo? At the end of the day gacha games are gambling, and just like every other casino out there the 1% or even 0.5% of addicts/whales can fund the entire game on their own, or at the very least for every 1 whale they can pay for the next 1000 or more people that don't spend a dime.
@@kurisuastralum4244 I also don’t spend a dim and defo don’t no life the game lol I don’t gamble, I only bet on 100%’s! I’ve got c3r2 neuvi c2r1 furina, mav c0r1 citlali xilonen kazhua and much much more! I had 300pulls before banner and 110 remaining! I feel like I play a different game to the one a lot of other people talk about.. like.. should I even be thinking about mav/lali if u are investigating in arli? Or did u waste resources into her in the first place?
I think people are exaggerating, we have had excellent banners, good banners, midly annoying banners, cruel banners and boring banners. Thats just part of the game. Now, talking about the *reduced number or available protogems per version…* They are giving us less and less each version! That IS a problem Or the *Chronical Wish* giving (arguably) bad characters for the same “price” as a top meta character. Excuse me?
@@shonenhikada9254 … did you notice my channel is old, I have unlisted videos, other subscriptions and I am actively criticizing mihoyo or are you just trolling?
F2P here with 90 pulls under my belt. Here is how I’m going to do it: Pull: Citlali - Skip: Mavuika (Mavuika is an archon. She’ll run again, which is when I’ll get her.) Pull: Arleccino - Skip: Clorinde ( I have Raiden Shogun and Keqing.) Chronicled wish pull: Ganyu (I have zero Cryo dps’ on my account and no Ayaka so Shenhe is useless to me.) Considering all this the banners and reward orders works perfectly for me.
do you "need" a cryo DPS, or do you just "want" a Cryo DPS. I'm sort of f2p myself (i've paid for battle pass for 5-6 months during the release and then stopped) I happen to have Ayaka due to playing for a really long time. And I really don't think you need a Cryo DPS at this point of the game. And if they will ever design some enemies or stages where Cryo is super strong, that's when they will release their super strong Cryo character. So, if your only reason for getting Ganyu is "cryo dps", its not the best reason ^^' but good luck anyway
@@serikazero128 Thanks for the advice. I started during the second phase of 3.3 and missed all the Cryo characters that came before that. My only Cryo character for the longest time was Kaeya before I pulled Citlali and Diona today (yay me!) That made imaginarium theatre and some boss battles almost impossible. I chose Ganyu just to add one more to the list of my Cryo characters because Hoyo seems to have become allergic to them since I started playing. 😊
As an f2p player, I personally have 41,000 primos and 25 intertwined fates saved up currently. I just pull for characters I really want, and save the rest of the time. I got Xiao on his last rerun, then saved until Kinich and had enough primos to get him to C2 with 180 pulls left over, and now I'm back at over 41,000 primos. I've been playing for 2 and a bit years and haven't had any problems with this method personally. If there is a patch that comes up where I really want multiple characters, I have enough saved to pull for both of them so it's not something I worry about. Being f2p can be hard as you have to have good self-control and the ability to be unbothered by all of the marketing and the attempts of making players constantly FOMO. But I can say the game is still very enjoyable regardless of the amount you spend on it.
imagine if people would do this irl, save one of their salaries, and keep it as "funds", then then only spend the last month's salary on bills and stuff. They would be so less stresseed. I also do something here, I usually stay above 10k primos, and then there's no issues. 20 wishes later this patch = 20 wishes for later patches that i already have saved up
@@serikazero128 Funny you say that, because that's basically what I do with my income already 😂 Both my parents were bankers so I grew up in a family that was VERY money smart and learnt from a young age the importance of saving and having reserve funds. So even as an adult, those lessons are engrained in me. Honestly that's probably why I can do the same in genshin without it bothering me because I do it everyday anyway.
@@kirsty735 yeh, mine weren't bankers or amazing with money. I just noticed that if you don't spend everything, and keep some funds for "rainy days", its muuuuch easier to deal with those rainy days. I'm not savy enough to know what to invest in and so on, but each year I can save 2-5k euros as I don't spend on a lot of frivilous stuff............. even tho I did spend 1k euros on a darn pair of sun glasses last year :)) but that was only make my friend shut up so yes, being smart makes things a lot easier. Cudos to you for being part of the club ;)
“Figure out which character you want. You don’t need every character” AMEN! There should be more characters (reruns) per patch based on how many characters there are in the whole game! Characters shouldn’t take years to rerun… ‘there’s too many characters this patch’ NO! Finally there’s characters I want to wish for!
i also think the chronicled wish is an understated nightmare for f2p/low spenders. most people who don't spend money on the game need to take advantage of the pity system extending over banners to get 5 stars without wasting primos, and if the chronicled characters are only ever released again on chronicled banners, that makes it a much higher investment to pull for those characters. for instance, if a f2p wants citlali and ganyu, they could lose 50/50 on citlali and not be able to pull ganyu because they'd have to have all 180 pulls to guarantee (versus being able to use that guarantee from 50/50 loss). otherwise, those chronicled wishes are literally just going to the void.
The one problem I really have with this doubling up of the 5-stars is it's going to be a pain in the butt to build them up to max/near max even with pre-farming. It's just a whole lot of mora to spend in a single patch if you get both characters.
After finally getting Furina, I decide to burn my next guarentee on Kazuha (because I lost him to Jean on his release and just kept skipping him). But rumor had it that Xilonen was going to be better than him. I mainly got him for the cc so no regrets on that. Now I was saving for Pyro Archon. Decided to burn wishes on Kinich, went back to saving, risked 50/50 on Zhongli, burned guarentee on Mauvika, won 75/25 on Citlali. So I'm set. Seems like everyone was lucky last night.
It's kind of a non issue tbh. Mavuika will re run soon so you don't need to pull her if you are not able too. It only sucks for F2P players who are at 50/50 with barely not enough wishes. Otherwise what you get through exploration, other events, archon quest and prior savings should at least allow you pull Citlali and save those 20 pulls for the Mavuika re run or another character later on. Anyone who intended to pull on both chars anyways wouldn't really be reliant on 20 pulls. Personally, Idc whether I use those 20 pulls now or later, I pull for both on this banner anyways.
Turns out, I am a F2P who was at a 50/50 and lost at 77 pity to a C2 Mona. Don't have enough wishes anymore, and I've 100% the entire map already and done all quests and everything. Those 20 pulls, + if we actually had EVENTS in the patch where the damn archon was released, would've helped me at least get one character this patch. But yeah, lets defend the billion dollar company.
I had roughly 200-220 wishes saved up since 5.1. Got Mualani and Xilonen early in pity, fought temptation pulling for Neuvi (lost 50/50 on his first rerun), and I i was ready for Citlali. Ended up pulling both her and Mavuika. Lost 50/50s on them, but got them regardless. Had 75 wishes left so I threw it into the weapon banner and got Citlali's weapon. I'm satisfied till Skirk/Snezhnaya.
i agree that a patch-length-duration on new banners would be a good and decent change for them to make, but we never had any concrete reason to think it was happening. leakers b lyin' and then go "take it with a grain of salt" they don't make a bag big enough for these grains
Its obvious they want your holiday money before you spend it somewhere else
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i know someone who did exactly that
You are definitely right (I just spent $ for C0 mavuika and C2 Citlali)
A couple days ago I saw a post on genshins reddit of a kid asking if he should spend his $150 that his dad gave him for xmas on mavuika 😭
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"sleezy" is an absolute understatement for this to be honest
- Shoving both new characters which have great synergy with each other in the same first half and just conveniently make the rewards the NEXT day their after their banner is over
- Creating a "cryo prison" fomo or months and months before to pressure people to pull for Citlali and then launch the archon in the same half as her forcing people to pay money to get both before Citlali presumably "never comes back"
- Placing every bad 4 star on the "hype" banners and then placing every 4 star people have been waiting and asking for for ages on the second half to once again pressure people to pull even though they might not need the second half 5 stars because mavuika is a direct power creep to arlecchino
You have to call out these disgusting and absolutely scummy business practices the way that they are and not understate them just because "you're personally not affected by it much", this is an absolute shitty move on hoyo's end and they should be held accountable for it
Oh and not to mention rerunning Shenhe which people have been asking for for TWO years in the same patch as all of this on a scam banner whose pity points don't even roll over to the next year or whenever they decide to rerun it again to force people to pay EVEN MORE
its not the 4 stars that are bad, its just that only bennet cons are good the other 2 doesnt really gain much from cons (at least not something special also cmon bennet? again?)
but i disagree on the "scummy" buisness practices because its a gacha game not a hero shooter or an MMO
and having 2 new characters on the same banners is bad (i dont like mavuika so im not gonna give my opinion on something that doesnt affect me because i know i wont make any good points)
@@DR9Y you could make an argument the four stars are pretty decent for a new player, but for the veterans or even people who have been playing for more than maybe half a year those 4 stars are a total slap in the face
I understand it's a gacha game but that doesn't exempt them from being called out for bad business practices regardless, if you keep letting companies get away with things like this just because "what do you expect" they will keep digging lower because the playerbase is basically insensitive to how bad they're being treated
@@rawan2709 not letting them go that far but yeah at some point we gotta draw the line and those 4 stars are more than just a slap they are a PUNCH none of these 4 stars is useful once you get your hands on some 5 star supports except bennet ofc
You're way to upset over a game that doesn't require you to spend or pull anything. My goodness, take a break.
You know you could have been saving all the free wishes. I've played the game since day 1. I have a ton of character, even many recent 5 stars like nahida (c2), neuvillette, furina, xilonen. The only character going into this banner I didn't have that I probably should have pulled was arlecchino. And I might be missing 1 4 star character at this point, most c6. And yet I have close to 350 free wishes sitting on my account. So I get to make a choice which of the characters to pull. I could try to get everyone like a degenerate or pick which I want most and retain my rainy day free wishes for when something releases and I really want it. That way I don't have to spend money to get it. The problem is that so many of you have no self control, want everything, and want it for free. You sound like literal children. It's sad.
It gets even worse knowing Citlali is the best support for mavuika
This is the problem I had and why I'm not wishing this banner. It irks me. I would completely understand 2 new characters on the same banner IF they fulfilled entirely different party setups. But the fact that Citlali is Mavuika's BiS melt support - and then with the stats I've seen on Mavuika's sig weapon compared to others... I know signatures aren't necessary, but it's leaving a lot of POTENTIAL if you decide AGAINST it.
not xilonen?
@@arisangga246 Look at the numbers for team comp - Mavuika gets more value out of Citlali because Xilonen can be replaced by Kazuha/Sucrose. Of course, the damage ceiling isn't as high, but Citlali has a higher weight value than Xilonen being replaced by Kazuha or Sucrose.
@@arisangga246 both. You want both.
worst thing to me is mavuika E doesnt last long enough unless you have her c1 (which is what i pulled) cuz i sure dont give a fuck about mavuika onfield, she is just gonna be a xiangling replacement for ganyu melt lol
All this could've been avoided if they hadn't marketed Mauvika and the 20 pulls together.
For the casual player they see "Stand with Mauvika" with 20 free pulls in the same image and assume they will get those pulls for her.
Its obviously intentional as they also put the new release in the same phase.
P.S. You can like a game and hate predatory monetization at the same time.
It's not the first time they do something like that too
+1 on the P.S. : I don't think the entertainment industry has ever been a wholesome paragon in any point in history unfortunately (to either the fans or the people who do the work).
On the fans side, someone advertises 50/50 tickets at least three times per game/match for a professional sports event, and the gambling ads are all over the place when you're streaming matches or reading various web sites about the players or teams. The race to the bottom for quality of movies and TV series is another discussion, lol.
On the workers' side, every part of the entertainment industry has had massive issues: writers for film, book authors for Amazon Kindle, anime inbetweeners, performers in every industry (sports or acting).
"You can like a game and hate predatory monetization at the same time."
This should be the way.... but based on my experience most people are simply unable to separate the good and bad sides of something. They either like the whole thing or hate it all. Its really sad... because if we called out and punished predatory monetization in the gaming industry, it would be a much better place for everyone.
@@gabor3432for me genshin ended in Fontaine. Idk what in the actual heck happened but after they released natlan everything slowly went to the depths of the "abyss" and most of my favorite cc and genshin tiktokers also quit genshin. I honestly don't know what happened.
Some of these comments aint it. Obv its a gacha game that cares about profits but they shouldn't be putting two new 5 stars on the 1st phase without increasing rewards, and having the 20 pull on phase 2 (along with the new 4 star and chevy) feels scummy. Personally i wish they would do what zzz is doing amd just have all the banners run the full version duration.
20 pulls is just from logging in, the flagship event is also 2nd half
@@lolidemon3163 exactly, we get pennies from version 1
2 new 5 stars and we only got a archon quest for it. Talk about having this great of content pack on new year day
@@lolidemon3163I guess they mean we get 20 pulls in total from phase 1 not from the login event
On the other hand, those who skipped for Arlechinno and Clorinde having the time of their life.
I think the most greedy thing they did was put Keqing and Qiqi on the Chronicled Wish banner.
1- These are older characters that people want just because they love them and Genshin refuses to rerun them due to greed, but they still want you to use intertwined fates on them instead of standard banner wishes.
2- The wishes that you have so far on limited 5 star banners doesn't count because this is a completely different set of banner.
3- You can pick who you want, but you can still lose your 50/50 which means you need to save 180 wishes to guarantee a character that's not in the meta anymore.
4- We were told that Chronicled Wish would come back around, but it's been so long people weren't sure it was going to happen.
5- Imagine losing to a standard banner character on Chronicled Wish. Now you're out up to 90 wishes and you aren't even guaranteed on your next limited character banner.
6- They wait until after the Mavuika/Citlali banner, during the Arle/Chlorinde banner, right before the Furina banner (if rumors are correct) and want you to have 180 fates to get a character that can't compete with newer characters?
I disagree. Maybe it's not that obvious for Keqing and Qiqi but back in the Mondstadt banner, many were happy to pull for Mona since many didn' t have her as you are not sure you can pull her when losing a 50/50, so this gives you an opportunity. Just don't pick them and yes, you can still lose 50/50 but that's true for any banner/gacha.
@@WyvernVin i would agree with this take before the anniversary where they give a 5* picker. before it wasnt possible to get a standard of your choice but now all you have to do is wait long enough and you get them for free. losing to a standard on chronicled now would feel like shitttttttttttt. and it will happen to many people.
No offense but I think jello is missing the point. The problem with this banner is literally the way Mauvika kit works and Citlali being her preferred support it pressures u into feeling like u have to get both to enjoy the archon and the fact that u need Natlan characters to play her dps punishes people who were saving for her idk it comes off as sleezy and ruins a character for a lot of people. It’s funny cause I’m a whale so I feel less affected by this but at the same time I feel the pressure to get them both as well so both whales and ftp are affected.
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I hope Jello sees your comment. The main problem here is indeed Mavuika's kit and how she depends so heavily on the previous premium supports specifically xilonen and citlali.
He said to save and pull for the character you want which is a dilemma cause by saving you most likely have skipped her basically mandatory supports. Now you wonder if all that saving is worth getting such a half-baked character, is it worth pulling now and wait upwards of literal years for re-runs to fix Mavuika........
I'm confident that most people were expecting the Archon to be the pinnacle of what the element represents while being inexpensive to build and flexible following the trend of all the other Archons. Furina and Nahida are some of the most impactful units on any account, Mavuika brought absolutely nothing except being just another Pyro dps in an already oversaturated roster with more restricts.... She's unnecessarily p2w for such an important character....
Would it be better if they first release Citlali, we would not know how important she is, skipped her, and later they released Mavuika and ppl with Citlali would show us what we missing?
I hear what you’re saying, but also having one after the other is also a problem because you don’t know for sure how well they work together until it’s too late
Extending both banners would have been the best solution
Disagree with stacked banners not being an issue, especially with Neuvilette getting his 2nd rerun before many Fontaine characters got their 1st rerun, coupled with Zhongli being a very popular pick. They've put them here on purpose and even went on their way to skip several characters that would need a rerun way more solely to drain people"s primos as much as they can, even if it means forcing people to wait for longer for other characters. This is definitely a part of the insane FOMO campaign going on with 5.3
Hoyo is extremely good at inducing FOMO as a means of generating more sales the faster people realise this the better.
f2p players shouldnt get all characters its about making choices. If i was to present gacha games to a friend i would say this is a resource managment game so if you didnt get pulls for the character you want its a skill issue.
@@salinalunara i couldnt care less about hoyo this are my honest toughts and i also dont lsiten to CC's opinion because i have a brain to think by myself.
edit: btw im f2p and i got both characters but for that i skiped neuvillet and others, also i play since 1.0 and i NEVER used a single pull on weapon banner or pulled for a single constelation since i rather have diferent characters. tldr be smart with your resource managment
@@salinalunara its not how i intend to play, thats what gacha games are, thats why they even have a time gathed resource, so you cant just grind it forever and get everything you want. you need to predict and think ahead and properly manage all your resources (talent materials/mora/resin/primos). of course you can just forget everything i said if you are willing to spend money
That’s what you call a bait banner, and plenty of gacha games do this to drain pulls before a super hyped character.
People say “makes sense the rewards are later” sure, but they also could have extended this banner.
They would never put natlan characters over lantern rite. Lantern rite is too sacred in their eyes
@Balbaneth so Fontaine characters are fine?
@Balbaneth that's just an excuse. They could have split the banners as usual. Hoyo just saw the lantern rite as an out to put both new characters in phase 1. It's obviously a money making strat, nothing to do with sacred Chinese New year.
@@Balbaneth "sacred", then put foreign banner rerun + Qiqi cronicle instead of Yelan & Xianyun lmao
leave the poor billion dollar company alone !
Its like giving you 2 cups of water after squeezing you dry. A consolation reward, enough to not have you totally quit. Then the shills will then come in and tell you "See, they are generous."
Leave my billion-dollar game alone!! xD
bUt yOU cAn gEt tHEm oN ReRUns
or u can just quit the game and never have to worry about this again
Nah, theyll tell you its not really sleazy and that you shouldve saved your primos
@@clawsthewolf89thats beside the point
it’s a cumulative problem. it starts with two new 5* characters who synergize together being released at the same time (with the fan favorite having the other character in her best team). then you have the first rerun of the (now second) most popular pyro dps on the second half. then you have the higher pull value 4* characters on the second phase of the patch. then you have shenhe (who has not run since alhaitham’s *initial* release) on the chronicled wish that hasn’t dropped yet and will likely not come back again for a long time. the 20 pulls on the second half is the icing on the shit cake.
yeah, you can save and get lucky. and no, this problem doesn’t affect me much since i got lucky with citlali and mavuika. but that doesn’t mean i can’t be upset at the strategic placement of the 20 pulls.
I can't help but to feel like genshin has a declining population and with banners like these(2 new chars at the same time), they are just squeezing whales.. LMAO
correct, hoyo is panicking because their revenue is at all time low, now they are trying to milk players as much as possible. One good example is mavuika's kit purposely designed such that players only benefit her kit the most with specific characters
you need a bigger tinfoil hat
Yeah I'm playing less and less. I'm done being fucked
@Freestyle80 they are literally experiencing record lows this quarter in CN buddy
Whales don't care about 20 f2p pulls when they were gonna swipe on both anyway
Man, I would love a standard weapon banner selector. There's minimum three different weapons out of them that would be more useful for me than getting any of the characters at this point
I think given how Mavuika comes with such a big caveat of needing nightsoul contributers in party mates, it's actually smarter to wait for rerun if you aren't driven by a compulsive need to obtain every new character ASAP. By the time of the rerun we should have a better idea of how she fares with that nightsoul requirement.
One similar example in Star Rail is Topaz. At her debut there was no way of knowing how good she'd be. It was only after follow up meta was more matured that her pull value during rerun was more reasonable.
As for Citlali... she's decent as a support but she's not the next coming of Kazuha/Xilonen so I wouldn't personally place too much value on her to begin with. If you start to notice content creators only describing Citlali's worth in the context of being a support for 1 single character in the entire game (Mavuika) that just diminishes her real value even more.
Then out of nowhere Hoyo pulls out the cryo treatment move on Citlali (not rerunning cryo chars) RIP
eh plss feixaio destroys everything with or without topaz just using moze/march. I have both of them and topaz aint it. She is a luxury pull like xianyun. You either like plunge or you dont. Robin is far more important than topaz. She is way more value overall.
She just a Rosaria upgrade, her shield is paper thin.
@@RandomPersonOf2005Rosaria upgrade is a good way to put it. She does okay damage and buffs a few carry DPS while enabling reactions. Her shield is not gonna save you against most enemies. Those ruin sentinel worms shredded her in the trial
We can NOT fault them for giving free 20 pulls on THEIR holiday. That was the norm. My problem is that they released both new characters at the same time😭
there should be 2 solutions
1. make citlali to 2nd phase which is supposed to happen instead of this
2.extend their banner to full 5.3 and make it overlap to make 4 limited banners in the 2nd phase simultaneously
aren't the free 20 pulls dropping after the 2 new characters?
They put both new characters in the first phase so the free pulls won't affect them. This is pure greed, even evil!
@@eszterfodor1136 I AGREE
hoyo have a lot of options they could just separate mavuika and citlali or put them together in 2nd phase and yet they chose to burn the kitchen
TRULY EVIL AND GREEDY
The 4 stars setup on the banner is a much bigger issue. Huge slap in the face
yeah 2 very old characters thats most veterans have at c6 and one character is new but given for free.... i hate how they always put very old 4* with new powerful characters
Definitely. The 4* options r awful the first half.
Agreed, expecting us to pull on 2 5 stars and slapping horseshit 4stars on the banner is such a douche move
It's only bad if you're and old player, for new players, it's a fairly good banner that gives you a good base to build a Mavuika teams
Exactly like I’m not mad that mavuika and Citlali are on the first half
All the gachas I played did that, my problem is the 4 stars
Ik they want to capitalize on “hey we need to make an interested in the 2nd half” but I think if they tweaked just a little bit it I wouldn’t be mad
tl;dr: shitty timing happened and genshin isn't going to adjust their schedule. making sure natlan and lantern rite are seperate to not infringe on each other is more than likely, imo, what happened. it's poor planning rather than unvarnished greed.
genshin has always had a chinese new year celebration event equivalence in the game, and you can usually predict when it's going to happen. you also know that rewards for lantern rite are going to be for that part of the patch and hoping they would be earlier is a bit naive. you also are aware of when mavuika (not sure about citlali, can't really account for that) was coming as people accurately predicted. many people stopped spending around 5.1 for savings. the people who didn't choose to save were poor planners--even if they didn't know when mavuika was coming, they could surmise that mavuika would be during the first half of the version based on previous versions.
it's more than likely genshin wanted to keep natlan and lantern rite seperate. there's also the matter that cn side would eviserate genshin for anything that may take away focus from lantern rite, as well as feeling as though genshin isn't treating chinese new year seriously by placing new non-liyue characters into lantern rite. last year, cn side loudly complained about shenhe's dress having more focus than lantern rite. cn side can be very brutal as they have access to a government that is very willing to censor anything and cn fans will use that to their advantage. they're already pretty sensitive about anything percieved as a slight against them and genshin will feel their scorn a lot more in their homebase rather than overseas.
now, do i think it's a good idea that genshin has 2 new characters running at the same time? no, i don't like it but this was bound to happen eventually, it just unfortunately presented itself during a hype patch. the 6 week schedule would have eventually ovderlapped with lantern rite / chinese new year. i don't think there was going to be any wimnning. if mavuika was released first half and citlali the 2nd, people would complain about mavuika not being during the lantern rite rewards. if citlali was released first half, people would complain that mavuika and citlali couldnt be tested immediately together and see if it was right to skip her for mavuika and that they were sacrificing citlali's banner sales, and that she should be during the rewards. cn would have complained about new characters taking away focus from cn's time to shine--the rerun characters aren't new and therefore, don't have any real hype surrounding them to detract from chinese new year.
also, zzz is going through a soft relaunch and is trying out different things with it and what was likely a 2nd phase banner character getting turned into a free character. hsr has a massive issue with releasing mutliple 5 stars that get powercreeped a few patches later, so the "generous" currency you keep getting can't keep up with the quickly progressing meta. these games all have their issues but people get comfy and cozy with businesses that, at the end of the day, want your money and have different business models in place to make up for something else that's missing. "x gacha game is so generous" congradulations on falling for their propoganda and allowing them to swindle you with false niceties. they do not care for you, they do not care that you're f2p, they do not care about anything but giving you money. genshin is less egregious about pulling money from you as their endgame content (and content in general) isn't designed hard enough to force you to pull new characters for it but it's going make up in other ways to get your money.
also, people thought the banners lasting all patch is cause of leaks? well, now i know where a good portion of the unrealistic expectations came from since people ran with this like it was law. this is what i keep saying, taking leaks as factual just stirs up drama when they don't happen.
This
Ngl, great fcking points, wow.
calling me poor planner while i dont even make a plan myself i just gamble when i see 160 and 1600 primos😂
I get what you mean for the most part, however I skipped Xilonen in 5.1 to save for Mavuika. I thought the same as you, starting to save around 5.1 would be best. I knew Xilonen was great and might be useful for Mavuika, but the archons used to be a class of their own and flexible in multiple kinds of teams even without their best teammate(s). However now I don't have Xilonen for Mavuika and Citlali is in the same banner as Mavuika. Mavuikas teams are much more restricted compared to other archons. If I skip Citlali I don't know when I will be able to get a decent Natlan support for Mavuika.
This tbh. NEVER take leaks as law. They can and will change before the actual thing the leak was talking about. This is just a really bad timing on the banner that might hit sales but I know some people are tired of hearing this but...we really can't do anything this time cuz no matter what hoyo does, people will still complain
They've been making a LOT of questionable decisions lately. Going back on their own rules for Chronicled Wish, stacking two new characters in one phase, slashing the number of husbandos, leaning hard into a more controversial modern look in Natlan, the exaggerated >.< O.O expressions on characters, the slightly weird 'harem game' feel of recent quests... Makes one wonder if there hasn't been some sort of change of leadership somewhere in the hierarchy.
Well genshin players allow it. It startws when you accepted this 50/50 system. Imagine this system in real life where you pay real money for a product but get something else.
Are they doubling primogems? No. Then they shouldn't double characters per patch. (I'm looking at you, hsr and zzz)
Don't be a shill...
A scummy move like this is expected from a company like this...
I'll just waste my 80/90 pulls, lose my 100th 50/50 and I won't get either one of them and then I'll just move on...
Simple...
It's not worth wasting energy or losing my sanity over a gacha game like this...
Hope I'll get Citlali in her next rerun in 2030...
Don't let this ruin your New Year guys...
Just chill and hope for the best...
Peace!! ✌️
Yeah i got mona on the 81th pull and now im empty again till 5.4 for furina
I just wont care anymore for this game
You’re being sarcastic but this is genuinely the way to play. Don’t lose sanity over a free mobile game. Somebody will always be short of primos, it doesn’t matter if they want to extend the patch, it doesn’t matter if they want the character to be in the second phase, if you’re short of primos you’ll feel defeated. So don’t lose sanity and either play the game or not. If you want to wait for a rerun and they never rerun unluckily then don’t lose sanity. Some people get all upset when you tell them not to play the game, as if you’re defending Genshin and telling them to stop complaining, but usually that person is bitter and doesn’t want to stop playing the game because they’re something along the lines of addicted. Truth is, telling somebody not to play the game is what hurts Hoyoverse the most. If Hoyo makes enough mistakes and loses enough players, they lose their money maker. Real life is always more worthwhile than this game, so if you have trouble playing it, quitting is the best devsision for yourself and the biggest 🖕 to Hoyo.
@@narukami6364 exactly, playing the game for free pulls is still funding the company through an active player base
The Enviosity fallacy of spending no money being good is just wrong, you can still be a time whale
I had 50k primos and 30 fates, and I wanted c2 mavuika and c0 citlali. Instead I lost the 50/50 three times to Qiqi and only managed to get c0 for both characters and no pulls for Shenhe or any character going forward. Fuck this game
Arguably the best comment in this comment section
We deserve it
I play GI on and off since launch, PGR for 3 years (half in Global, then I move to CN), Wuwa and ZZZ since release, and Aether Gazer (I tried HSR but turn based turn me off) and tried many other gacha game and I have to say that both the dev and the playerbase of GI suck balls compared to any other gacha game. Someone should do 2.0 Wuwa VS 5.3 GI in depth comparison
5.3 Reminds me that Genshin hasn't changed at all
I still play it despite its flaw but goddamn I do get pissed everytime this kinda thing happen. It reminds me of the fact that MHY don't give a fuck about us and will absolutely do everything to get a dime more out of its player base.
Putting aside the fact that I lose 50/50 to Qiqi in Mavuika banner after losing 50/50 to Qiqi in Xilonen banner (I got Xilonen, Mavuika, Citlali in the end but average pull of 60/pity mean I did a total of 300 pull to get them, I literally only get 3 character in the past 7 months, before that I get Arlecchino). The QoL is still lacking, they put traversal behind limited 5 star, they have one of the worst hard and soft pity number to the currency ratio to any other gacha game out there. They don't give much of A rank/4 star, we don't even have reliable way to get them on top of the super awful rerun cycle for 4 star, let alone 5 star. 4 Fucking years and we got 1 standard selector and an extra 10 fckin pull at best with occasional another 10 pull if we are lucky while the base pull is roughly 50 pull/patch if that
The game isn't even that good, we got shit ton of competition, the game barely changes and improve. Back then we can give the benefit of the doubt since the game cost to develop was one of the highest in the gacha scene and the quality was one cut above the rest, but it isn't the case anymore yet we still being treated like shit and we deserve it
edit: I got a total of 8 Limited characters, 6 Standard character, 3 Limited weapon, 4 standard weapon in the past half a year playing Wuwa and I only buy Welkin equivalent. That is a total of 21 5 star. Even with decent luck I only got like 10 5 star in my first half a year of GI as welkin player and the past half a year I got 3 limited and 3 standard chara on GI which is just pathetic.
(unfortunately I lose 50/50 on Changli and got C1 in someone else so despite 8 is the total limited chara released, I only have 7 unique chara and the only standard chara I don't have is Jianxin, I'm certain we will get Standard selector in 1st anniv and I will skip weapon banner to make sure I have Changli so I'm confident I will have everyone by 2.2)
They even shared the free wishes in the “first phase” infographic 😂
ik hoyo players dont read but i didnt know it was this bad
The simple fix to this is extending the banners for the whole patch, a win for everybody
Not for hoyoverse
The thing is, this was intentional for hoyo's side
Then the CN community starts going mad there are new not CN characters getting preferential treatment during Chinese New Year and the people who wanted to pull for Arlecchino and Clorinde will complain that their banners weren't extended as well. They can't win! Some people have not dealt with problems irl and it shows.
@@NiramBGthey can also extend arle and clorinde to the first half of the next patch so on so on
Does anyone know when the chronicled wish is going to start?
Edit: saw it in the video, will just keep the comment for the algorithm.
I know a lot of people who aren't even pulling on the first half. Many people I've talked to are waiting for Arlecchino. They plan on waiting for Mavuika to rerun. Then there are people like me who have been waiting/saving for Shenhe. Not everyone wants Mavuika. I will consider her for the future. I just used all my extra saved pulls on Zhongli/Neuvillette cons. Lets face it: we had/have Zhongli, Neuvillette, Mavuika, Citlali, Clorinde, and Arlecchino(not to mention the chronicled wish) all back to back. That right there is a lot. I don't think they could have really done things much different, switching the order around wouldn't really make that much of a difference in the end. F2P will have to wait and save for someone no matter what. I have saved since the last Shenhe banner just to get her(that was how I had extra to use on Zhongli/Neuvillette) I was even able to "build some pity" getting Ororon. F2P/welkin only like myself need to be patient and wait for reruns. Hopefully most don't have to wait through a whole region just to get the character they want.
I am committed to always choosing "What is a Jello Impact" option. Love you.
this happens literally every single year. I remember last year people were mad because there were Shenhe and Xiao in the first half and free pulls in the second
If only they divided the banners - first the Archon with Clorinde then Citlali with Arle - and balanced the 4 stars, by putting Chevy on the 1st phase instead of Diona for example... The backlash wouldnt be as crazy. We'd know anyway that Citlali works with Mavuika thanks to the leaks.
Ofc the gacha company will suck all your money if it can, but Genshin always felt more f2p friendly than other gachas, so this sudden behavior is giving desperate 😅
I was also wondering why they did not do this
they cannot do a free 5star selector bc it's illegal to advertise a character as time-limited and then give them for free
in case of tighnari and dehya, they were advertised in the livestream as standard characters with 1 limited banner so that's different
but a standard weapon selector would be nice
They did do a free 5 star selector in GI, so try again.
@shonenhikada9254 I mentioned that they can't give us a time-limited 5star for free so try to read properly next time
Greed, is that simple? Yes. Why are they doing this? Competition is now playing on the same field, they have to drain you faster.
1:25 the fact of "is it justified or not" lies in the simple fact that star rail gives you free pulls as soon as you open the new patch to pull for the NEW CHARACTER, they don't wait for the 2nd half. They never did that, Genshin after 4 years still makes a joke out of their player, and it's honestly infuriating.
Also, if they at least left Citlali in the 2nd half that would've been super acceptable, Mavuika will get a lot of rerun anyway and regularly, but putting Citlali in the 1st half together with Mavuika and not even extending the banner duration... Like, I'm okay with it, what I find crazy is that they squeezed together 2 new characters while Citlali is Mavuika's best support...
Anyway I'm probably mad just because I spent my primos on Neuvilette LMAO
I like to call a spade a spade. So yes this is greedy
Tru and real.
My problem with it is how much Mauvika wants Citlali.
They're milking players of up to 360 wishes just to complete the new op dps.
And with how rarely they rerun Cryo, who knows if we'll get Citlali again anytime soon.
Wriothesly & Charlotte STILL haven't gotten their first reruns (400+ days). Ganyu & Shenhe haven't had a rerun in ~600 days and we're only getting them thanks to Chronicled...
Yeah it's complete BS, and I can't even understand why, if they changed the 4* or put Citlali on the 2nd half, everyone would've been happy and they wouldn't lose any sales.
It's the usual one step forward two steps back that Hoyo does...
I think the biggest lesson/takeaway for me since I first started playing is that 1) you HAVE to pull with a plan in order to not get super angry/upset with how gacha works where some people may get Very lucky and others not at all knowing that there will be predatory practices, and 2) be prepared to change your plan based on your needs, because even with everyone you want… eventually they’ll rerun although I should be prepared to wait a year+.
I originally planned to pull both Mavuika and Citlali after I have basically barely pulled since 4.7 during Furina’s rerun (for context, I am an intermittent Welkins/BP player). But looking at the 4* now… I’m going to go with only one of them because I lost the 50/50 and C6ed two of the 3 4* and if I have my druthers… I prefer the second half four stars. This means waiting (forever) for a Citlali rerun but I was thankfully planning to pull for rerun characters anyway (I want the entire Fontaine cast… but slow and steady wins the race I guess.)
this patch is an easy skip for me
This is outright gross like I’m not even gonna lie the timing of the rewards isn’t bad it’s that they shoved citlali alongside mavuika in the first half
The Answer is YES... this could have been a mail.
"Make sure to subscribe but if don't want to it's fine. Just watching the video has been more than enough."
This alone has just made me subscribe :)
Wuwa would never.
Just you wait for the "Tencentification" of it. No company is your friend. (I know you are probably memeing but I know people who thinks like this for real)
@@hlonghi lmao creating fictional situations when the fact that Hoyofication is in front of you says how delusional the fanbase is. Yes, no company is your friend, but in the end, Kuro never did that in PGR even though they're struggling to keep the game up, why do it now in Wuwa which is a successful venture?
@@megumin9967 oh boy... You dont know how fucked up PGR is in global now.. especially the korea server.
Dude. Have you seen the two banners for 1.4 second half and 2.0 1st half? Yinlin is the best partner for Xiangli Yao and and Zhezi is so far the best partner for Carlotta. WuWa also does the same lol
@@megumin9967 just wait, if the players increased in wuwa they will be greedy too, rn they're kind so players can switch to them.
rude or shrewd? At the end of the day, Hoyo is a business. But I do appreciate the people that complain or are upset, it shows investment in the game, ya'll care a lot!!
so because you're a guide maker and spend hundreds of dollars a patch to get every character you don't really care that at the most hype time they break convention and screw over free or low spenders cuz they shouldnt get every character? i think you're out of touch with the mindset of a low spender, we rely on convention and consistency to plan our pulls and when they break that at the most meta defining time requiring us a maximum of 320 pulls in 21 days its a little more than just "oh ur f2p u shouldnt be getting every character its not a big deal"
What were you expecting, his channel is named Jello IMPACT. e's a full blown hoyoshill and he doesn't even try to hide it, plus this isn't the first time he's defended and/ignored the problems of this shitty game 😂
I think the far bigger problem than time gating 20 pulls is 2 synergy new 5 stars in 1 half. 20 pulls isn't gonna make a difference. If you can't get 2 new 5 stars in one half with what you have saved/planning on saving chances are 20 extra pulls won't make a difference.
Where tf are y’all getting that he’s a hoyoshill from? Jello actually stated that this was scummy of them? Just cause it doesn’t affect him personally y’all mad he’s okay with the double banner? Blame yourselves for the lack of discipline and not learning how to save. You mfs want every single character and pull on every banner and y’all expect to get everyone? Stfu, I don’t mind that it’s a double new banner, I mind that the 4star are fucking trash. That was 100% scummy on their part
@@WanderingPoro_217did you guys even watch the video? He said it doesn’t affect him and it actually helps him with recommendations, but he acknowledged that it is scummy and greedy from hoyo.
I'm assuming those 320 pulls aren't accounting for the signature weapons?
I like genshin but hoyo is not being a little sleezy they are being very sleezy. It's not something rare either, they are consistently being incredibly greedy and they dont need to since they make 100m a month combined with other games at bare minimum. They can try for once and do something good for the players. This is why it's nice for them to have competition like WuWa who seems to be treating their players better. Ever since WuWa dropped some good quality of life changes starting appearing in Genshin, coincidence i think not. I'm thankful for WuWas existence as it's not only a nice game but pushes hoyo to improve their games.
Man, this shouldn't be sugarcoated: it is absolutely disgusting that they're doing this, not just sleazy or lame. I wasn't planning on pulling for either of these characters at all, but I was planning on picking Genshin up again after dropping it mid 5.1, although now I'm starting to have second thoughts. This treatment is not acceptable...
What they did for the chronicled banner was, indeed, going back on their word but for the betterment of the player experience: it was a bummer that a character had to have had two whole reruns before being able to be on the banner, so they openly changed that rule; what they did for the Wish-2 thing (which, by the way, I didn't know they stated that it was for reruns only, thank you for pointing it out since it makes this situation even worse) is literally break their own rules without giving a heads up in advance or anything of the sort.
Yes, it does make sense that the rewards are in the second half, I even thought so myself; yes, it does make sense that they didn't extend the banner for the whole version because that would've been too good to be true and I never even heard it mentioned before; but they could've at the very least have split the two characters in two separate phases (which shouldn't even have to be mentioned since it seems it was stated that the second banner wasn't for new characters), not to mention putting the most wanted character, the archon, in the second half, alongside the rewards. It is every word that you mentioned, but it is also just awful...
-Genshin having double banners absolutely sucks for f2p and is removing the huge possibility of ever getting all those you want
-yeah they could have double banners but then they need to do it like ZZZ where the new releases last the entire patch + more login rewards
-it takes waaaay longer to grind any pulls in Genshin and hoyos gacha model itself is already disgusting enough (mind you 160 primos is like 30+ chests, depending on which region you farm (some have 0 gem commons, most chests are like 5 primos) and what rarity they are and that's only ONE pull, you need 75 per 5 star on average and 150+ if 5050 lost)
-putting THE ARCHON and one of the most anticipated characters of Natlan in one and the same patch half is insane, I already complained when they put good characters so close together but if they now add characters AND their best support into the same half consistently then that'll be awful, this is already awful
-please always remember that obtaining pulls is very hard for f2p, even a low spender (5€ monthly card and maybe bp) already has a hard time, I am a low spender character collector because I enjoy collecting them all and having crazy teams to play around with, this is basically hell for me (luckily I farmed Natlan dry but that took hours AND I won both 5050s but still)
-I think this is scummy, it is absolutely wild to NOT extend their banners the whole patch like ZZZ does but have the skin run the whole patch even though its lantern rite related
-they REALLY have to up their rewards eventually, giving away a free of choice Liyue 5 star for lantern rite would be something that wouldnt even hurt them much because, I am sorry, they're all powercrept as hell AND they released years ago. If other games can give us free 5 stars that JUST RELEASE THAT PATCH then Genshin can give us the choice between a few of them that released 4 years or so ago
-always remember that hoyo is already a super stingy gacha company with very predatory ways of trying to get you to spend money, please remember the weapon banner pre-changes in this case too (not the recent ones, the one at when Tectone pulled for Homa)
-giving us ONE Liyue 4 star of choice and a few pulls is very little, other gacha games give a ton of free characters regularly, hell even their own other games have a 300 standard banner pity where you choose a 5 star AND a 5 star in 50 pulls AND all those 50 pulls are cost reduced, we have the Noelle banner (20 pulls max cost reduced, you get Noelle and nothing else usually)
-HSR gave a free standard banner selector AND a free DrRatio AND their events usually give a pool of the latest few 4 stars to select from AND you can purchase the event weapons from the herta shop if you missed an event AND they catalogue past events and you can still earn the gems for them there (not all but a lot)
-other games like Arknights let you redeem 6 stars for free (if you save the starglitter) after a while, others let you outright buy a copy (I think Nikke does this), they also let you buy constellations this way or a limited amount of pulls on a monthly basis
-friendly reminder that Genshin split the primo income for endgame over two modes (IT and Abyss) while lowering the amount of times it resets (thus keeping the gain the same almost but you have to clear two modes for it)
-friendly reminder that other games in general do small things to keep their communities happy, such as giving away a monthly pass to everyone (arknights) or giving extra stamina/battery/resin a day (zzz) or having a weekly mode where you get a standard pull and a free pull (hsr) where as Genshin lacks all of that
How do I know? I play ZZZ, HSR, Genshin and Arknights. I see how all the other hoyo games do it and how other companies do it (my friends play Nikke and some other gachas that give hundreds of pulls a year, Genshin gives like 20 for an occaison or two and gets celebrated because we are that starved on pulls lol). I think this whole situation just highlights Hoyos greed. And to reduce it down to "scummy but acceptable" is slightly dismissing just how much mistreated the Genshin players already are in terms of rewards. And how much f2p and even low spenders truly cannot enjoy this game sometimes (and please remember, f2p/low spenders are the backbone of gachas, they're the most active player base and they will be vocal if mistreated and player numbers will drop eventually thus making it worse for everyone because that'll lead to companies doubling down and trying to milk the whales dry as much as they can before the game eventually dies down).
723 wishes
C5R1 Mavuika
C2R2 Citlali
That is some crazy luck. How many times did you lose?
@maxjager4985 lost 3 times in mavuika banner
No loss on citlali banner
Got Citlali weapon first, then got double 5star citlali and mavuika weapon
crazy luck! Why didnt you go for Mavuika's C6? (just wondering)
Ran out of wishes, she will be back in 4 patches anyway
Damn bro, i just stopped at c0 for both. Only took me a total of 130 wishes, i was at around 65 pity so all things considered did pretty well. I did lose a single 50/50
Just need to wait to get c0 iansan and c0r1 skirk now
Purposefully releasing two 5 stars together, purposefully placing the new decent 4 star in the second rerun banner and purposefully placing most rewards in second banner. They are either really desperate or really greedy.
I understand why other players are pissed, but thankfully I'm chilling. I've been saving for Mavuika for a while and so it'll be nice to get a bit of a top-up for the chronicled banners and Clorinde/Arlecchino.
HSR and ZZZ have spoiled us with how generous they are with every new update. I wish Genshin would just give players a free 10 pull as well in every major update. It’s a nice lil bonus and a way to make players log in. Jello mentioned HSR doesn’t give as many pulls in exploration but both HSR/ZZZ give WAY more pulls from the events than Genshin. They just have way more. But what can I say? Genshin never fails to disappoint in some way.
HSR does feel more greedy than Genshin in my opinion. The release of 2 new 5 stars every patch and the fast powercreep makes the returns so bad. Yes, HSR gives on average 30 more pulls per patch but with 2.7 HSR has as many limited 5* units as Genshin did in 4.2 with Furina release. Not to mention some of the broken 4* units genshin has.
I saved for both, i got both. No weapons tho, but i never pulled for weapons anyway
New year starting with 50/50 loss I hope my irl life better than that 😐
I got both as a ftp today. Literally had to use every primogem I had and lost a 50/50, but I got both. Every single 5* pull went to 80 pity, but that’s okay. I have been saving since the start of Natlan and have pulled for no one at all in Natlan. Next time Xilonen comes out, I’ll pick her up too to complete the best team for the pyro archon
I have father , maulani and xilonen , should I pull fr citali or mavuika ... What's ur suggestion ( yu have both ryt ?)
@@jayasuriya2606 citlali hands down because you already have one of the best DPS in the game. she compliments arle very well
You must have my same garbage luck with this game
This is my first lantern Rite. Is Lan Yan on the upcoming banner in the second half so you can choose someone else/get her const? Or is she only going to available only through the banner now?
she's gonna be on the Arlecchino/Clorinde banner in the 2nd half so if you wish to pull for any of them, you have a chance to get her there and select someone else from Lantern rite
Yeah I'm not paying a dime anymore. I'll save up for the rerun
You see people in the comments saying "duh, it's a company", but the reality is this. If it's not done with finesse and it looks very greedy, paying customers might just never pay again.
And it’s still funny because you sunk time for free pulls so the company still wins
Good luck buddy. Mavuika is a given to get a rerun this year since she's the pyro archon, but who knows when Citlali is coming back.
I think it is fine. Especially for the people who was saving up for her and "missing out" on Xilonen for Mavuika, then having Citlali be her best support is just perfect so they can actually get what they saved up for, an OP char that they love. People are going on an uproar when they don't have to spend a dime on this game. Spend if it makes you happy, and don't when it doesn't.
Ive never seen such a better advertising for wuwa an well...every otber gacha out there lol thanksssss genshin. Happy new year folks 😂
I'm pretty sure it's mostly wuwa players and content creators milking the drama that are the only ones really upset.
@logikx1325 lot more then that unfortunately lol
that requires the game to run well, it doesnt
@@mangshu21 that was true 3 months ago. Wuwa runs great now.
WW runs great. Genshin players dont seem to understand how buggy their game was in 1.0.
Honestly, I'm quite happy with how things are.
I wasn't even aware people were upset lmao
I saved and saved and saved over 200 wishes for Mavuika. I went past soft pity all 3 times. 78 82 and 81. Giving me 20 pulls is a joke. Glad I dont spend money.
You didn’t get pass soft pity at all
I didn't see the fact that Mouvika needs Natlan characters, so if you don't have previous natlan characters you kinda would want Citlali as well.
If you're an f2p, I can see why you're causing an uproar about this. But to say this is an act of malice and spite against the players, and this will be the "beginning of Genshin's downfall", I think is a bit foolish.
The "beginning of Genshins downfall" is just every other tuesday around these parts. Sit down and have a drink, you'll get used to it.
@@logikx1325so true 😊
Version 2.1 was Raiden Kokomi released same patch!
Genshin has released 2 five stars many times in one patch, but never on the same phase like they did now with mavuika and citlali
Worse and worse and worse, You know what, I will keep my stuff, pull nothing and just quit that shit
I feel for you buddy, I've been saving since arlechino's banner, seeing this pains me, but nothing we can do about it
@@xX_N_E_O_Xx didn't do it, won Mavu 50/50 and weapon 50/50 and now I sit on 140 pulls and i am not sure about Citlali...maybe save for skirk
@@BlueHenning congratulations 🎉 I'm not sure what to pull for, I'm still waiting
Absolutely, 2 new character banners, 2 of the most wanted dps, shenhe baizhu chronicled banner...they're clearly trying to break Q1 sales records!
It's a tale of caution as they saw that double new banner is popular, so they will do more of these in the future
Sweet dreams
Had 400 pulls. Got c2 Mavuika R1 her weapon and a c0 Citlali and STILL 224 pulls left. HOLY HOLY. Happy new year indeed
20 pulls in the grand scheme of this game no matter what is nothing for what your average non whale would need to actually acquire a 5* ANYTHING. I understand Hoyo want to save some rewards for Lantern Rite since it's a big in game event every year, but to me this is a huge fuck you from Hoyo releasing both new characters at the same time SEPARATE from those rewards. And when you factor in that the Chronicled Wish pity is entirely separate from the limited or standard pity and it's being erased the second that banner goes away, those 20 wishes would get wasted on that banner unless you got stupid lucky which again your average player can't expect to happen. I really really wish I could bring home Jade Cutter or Shenhe but I can't justify sacrificing what little primos stash I have rn while I have the Natlan map almost 100%'d and I wouldn't be replenishing the 90>wishes I have saved anytime soon. It just makes me sad having to consistently skip new or old characters I actually do want because the rewards kinda pale in comparison to their other games and their rerun schedules are so fucked up and unfair for who gets one when.
I havent pulled for a Genshin char since Arle. My roster is so stacked from years of playing and pulling that there literally zero reason to pull any more characters, Natlan or otherwise.
I'm just waiting to finish the damn story find out wtf happened in the opening cutscene 😔
They should've moved one of the new characters to phase 2. Easy solution, this is not 15 minute material, it's 15 second material. To be honest, they may be greedy, but they're also so tremendously idiotic I feel like it's possible this wasn't an act of greed but an act of not knowing what fucking type of game they're making. It's not an excuse, feigned idiocy is a tactic used by manipulators, you should still blame them otherwise instead of improvement you'll see neglect. 11:08 Also, Jello is a troglodyte, skill issue is an ableist slur, not a casual term to use in every gaming discussion.
It shouldn’t need to be A Take™️ to say “the gacha game company wants to take as much money from you as reasonably possible” yet here we arrrre LMAO
This is a non argument. Every company wants money but it matters if how they do it is actually gonna get them money or not. For example, they could increase prices by 10 times or 100 times for the currency. Will that bring them more profit or will a lot of people be upset and quit?
If you piss too many peoeple off, they ARE gonna quit, I've done that with several games, including an MMOs I had been playing for 15 years. I had sub, bought everything they put out, had collections counting items in the thousands, but they crossed a limit when they started doing 2-3 *limited time never to come back* promotions every month. Every person has their limit where they feel they're being taken for cash cows instead of respected customers.
You can laugh your ass off as much as you want, but your view is a very shallow view that doesn't take into account anything but the surface "company wants money, duh, I'm so smart"...
@ hey so uhhhh, i think you may have misunderstood. I think that companies wanting to milk as much money out of their audience as possible (while trying to remain JUST within limits of not pissing off too many people, but still actively using hostile design that preys upon human psychology and sits dangerously close to gambling) is in and of itself a broken and Bad thing. It’s only a matter of time until that game “crosses the line,” so to speak.
Ehhh, doesn't seem like pure greed to me. Lantern rite was pretty obviously going to be socond half, and the lantern rite rewards would be second half too. And it was also pretty obvious Mavuika would be first half. So its more not going out of the way to be generous by breaking a pattern than being greedy. Except for running 2 new 5 stars on first half.
But It also kinda makes sense to run Mavuika and Citlali at the same time. Because shes not that good without a nightsoul battery, so they need to run a nightsoul battery at the same time so she's playable on release for people who didn't pull xilonen. They could either run citlali the second half, and let mavuika be pretty bad the entire first half, put citlali in the banner before mavuika and half the players would skip her and then be stuck with a weak mavuika, or run them at the same time, so players can put together a strong team on release (if theyve been saving / are a whale). The other option is to make citlali a 4 star, and have 2 new 4 stars in one patch, and that wasnt going to happen
I saved quite a bit for the Archon, so it didn't end up hurting me at all. Idk, it doesn't seem to me this is "greed"... In the long term I don't think it will affect sales too much.
Some people will have to wait for a rerun, that sort of thing happens. It happens all the time, crazily strong characters being concentrated in a really short span of time. And Arlecchino is supposed to be a really good character, so it's not like the second banner is a total dud.
For people that wanted to pull for Citlali and Mavuika, and both of their weapons, this way it ends up being better. If it were a Arlecchino/Mavuika banner, and I got Arlecchino's weapon, that would suck, because those characters heavily overlap with each other, and I would not be incentivized to pull of Arlecchino even having her weapon.
People gotta prepare, adapt, and figure out their priorities.
i was excited for this weapon banner since both are good weapons but lost to sky atlas dupe instead of lali's xd got the claymore after but kind of wanted to have both weapons, now lali is just gonna have to settle with ttds.
@@ChiriKain I have two accounts. In one I got Mavuika's weapon first try, the second account lost to a standard weapon. Indeed, losing to Citlali's weapon and then getting Mavuika's would have been the best.
If I'm not using Nahida, I can use Nahida's signature on my Citlali. But who knows, it's possible I end up using TTDS anways.
@@DiogoVKersting If you want both weapons you should cancel the fate point, then repick one to focus if you lose to a standard weapon. This way on the second weapon you can't get 2 standards in a row so you are guaranteed one of the banner weapons. If you get the one you didnt focus then the 3rd will be the one you did. If on the second weapon you did get the one you focused then you are out nothing cause your fate point would reset here anyways. Basically if you have bad luck it will only take you 3 pity pulls. If you have medium luck 4 pity pulls. (which is the best you get with bad luck usually) and with good luck it is still just 2 pity pulls.
@@logikx1325 Yeah, I heard that technique, but I don't want Citlali's weapons that badly. I went for Mavuika's constellations instead.
The ideal case would indeed have been losing to Citlali's signature, meaning I got the weapon for up to ~70 pulls.
Insisting on her weapon would mean having to invest up to ~140 pulls after already having invested up to ~70 pulls.
It's just not worth it. I do believe it's the weapon with the higher ceiling in terms of sustain+team DPS, but Mavuika's consteallations are just much more impactful.
Yup, as an F2P, I know I only get around 2-3 guaranteed 5-stars every year, so my picks are: 1) the Archon of the region, 2) the best support of the region, and maybe an additional character or a 5-star weapon. That’s it. If you want every good character, you have to pay.
It's Mihoyo, they've never been generous. And they aren't going to be as long as dumb people keep giving them money unfortunately
And also genshin bot defending the company vile behaviours
People are dumb for paying in the game they like? Nice way of thinking, chud.
I’m mostly f2p (I only spent money to get Scaramouche because I love the character but I don’t spend in general) and honestly this feels pretty normal. We often have stacked patches where you want basically everyone. I’m lucky as I don’t want mauvika or citlali but having them be together is not easy if someone wanted both, generally it’s easier to get characters if they are on different halves. Also given this is unprecedented and thus unlikely people would have accounted for it doesn’t help. And I’m pretty sure leaks were all saying they’d last the entire time so people likely expected that more than needing to rush to get both at once. But again, this is pretty normal as an f2p player, so often you’ll get 2 great characters you want together. Saving the rewards until after definitely feels scummy the only way I can see it being less so is if you view it as giving you a leg up for afterwards but that’s being honestly more generous than they deserve. Hoyo knows what they are doing and this is probably more targeting medium spenders. We’ve had six very sought after characters all close to each other plus chronicled which has fomo given a lot of these units haven’t run in a while and probably won’t be back any time soon. Unfortunately Genshin just isn’t the most generous of gacha, a lot of other games give you more for just playing but also have less ways to earn it yourself. I am curious if releasing 2 new characters together will become a trend.
People saying "I'm glad this doesn't affect me because I saved!!" remind me of the musicians who kept playing as the titanic was sinking
Tf? Titanic was an asassination.
Yeah the musicians playing music to try to calm the passengers like Genshin some of the community is trying to calm down the other part of the community, jex, it was a tragedy and accident the Olympic crashed into another ship and britannic struck a mine .basic history but if you want to watch a theory on the movie titanic film theory did a idea that jack was a time traveler
@@kitsuneayano nah it was a planned "accident". bunch of opponents of bad guy were invited to it. the one that invited them didn't show up.
Being on XBox we're nearly 4 years behind. So there's a lot of catching up to do. I'm happy we can buy this Battle Pass this update. We couldn't buy the last one.
Battle pass is only useful for resources, which you don’t need unless you’re pulling every character though
I feel like people are being dumb here, you get 20 pulls period, not 20 pulls for this patch's banner. You can save them for any banner even a future muavika rerun.
It does suck I'll only get one of them this patch being F2P, but having multiple DPS and most meta supports means I don't need either anyway.
Truee. In LaDS we do get extra pulls from certain new banners, but the caveat is it's only usable for that banner (though there's the occasional free permanent ones). It converts to standard wishes after the event. 🥲
Honestly, they could have solved a couple of problems in one fell swoop. Instead of breaking the rerun rules they made for the Liyue Chronicled Wish they could have given away a free Shenhe. It wouldn't be a huge game changer for the meta and no one would be complaining about their greed.
When the Chinese new year rewards are on Chinese new year: 😱😡
yeah, but it could entirely be avoided if the devs didn’t put two new op chars (including an Archon) in the first patch, making it an impossible situation NOT to pull. If the devs have put those two chars at the 2nd patch (or at least one of them), players would have more time to prepare and pull. But no the devs want more money, hence putting more valuable chars at the first patch, forcing people to spend more
When there are other millions of players outside china who don’t celebrate Chinese new year but contribute to the game equally.
Thats not what this is about and you know it. Disingenuous projection.
What a braindead comment defending a greedy Dev no wonder genshin is like this now 😂
I'm just glad I don't have to wait 3 whole weeks to play Mavuika with Citlali. Rip those who didn't save enough though
Putting 2 of their new top characters on banners at the same time AND every 4 star is someone either everyone has or no one wants; not to mention the "free" wishes come in AFTER Phase 1?
Genshin has the power to give us these free wishes half way through phase 1
I feel it's just disappointing that the pyro archons release didn't get any events besides the typical story quest event. You got Mavuika, Citlali and the new archon/story quests. That's it and that's my main issue.
Well that’s because Genshin devs are trying to convince players that new characters are content
And that we only need a new thing to buy, not fun things to do
That was always the case. She will get her event as other aechons couple versions later.
@@bonyeniwtf?!
It's definitely the combination of factors that's the issue. They're released at the same time, in a first for the game, just ahead of LR rewards, AND they're BiS teammates for one another.
Spammed 120 wishes and I got Jean, Mavuika and Citlali. So grateful! The next 20 days I'm gonna save up for Mavuika's weapon. I hope all of you the best in your pulls!
And to think this all could have been avoided if they just extended the banner for the entire patch of 5.3 like so many CCs were guesstimating cause they did it in their other games leading to the expectation that Genshin would do the same.
I would've liked a decent chance to get both Mavuika and Citlali considering I love both of them, but even if I was a higher paying player it'd still feel bad, it's one thing to need to drop a couple hundred dollars CAD to guarantee 1-2 constellations on a single character in a month. It's an entirely different proposition to double that amount (Assuming hard pity or wanting more than C0) people have other things to pay for like you know, groceries and bills, I'm not dipping into savings for a gacha game lmao.
Edit: I gotta say this too, I play Arknights, every like 3-4 months you can pay 35$ CAD and pick the exact 6* Unit that you want. Hell even FGO a game that has 100x worse pity than Genshin still offers 2 Lucky Bags that give you a guaranteed 5* Unit (Albeit you cannot select them it's RNG from a pool), Hoyo making anyone think it's acceptable to need to pay so much for a single character is wild to me.
What do you do with your pulls? I really don’t get how people think like this????
@@mainfish88 I've literally only pulled for characters I've wanted lmao, I've got my neuv, I've got my arle, I've got a decent account. I also don't no life the game like a second job, not a rice picker trying to squeeze every last drop of primo's every patch. Also you haven't offered anything to the conversation, I've given 2 examples from two of the highest grossing mobile games, if they can still make fat stacks while being kind to their f2p players (Which make up like 95% of the playerbase) then why can't Hoyo? At the end of the day gacha games are gambling, and just like every other casino out there the 1% or even 0.5% of addicts/whales can fund the entire game on their own, or at the very least for every 1 whale they can pay for the next 1000 or more people that don't spend a dime.
@@kurisuastralum4244 I also don’t spend a dim and defo don’t no life the game lol I don’t gamble, I only bet on 100%’s! I’ve got c3r2 neuvi c2r1 furina, mav c0r1 citlali xilonen kazhua and much much more! I had 300pulls before banner and 110 remaining! I feel like I play a different game to the one a lot of other people talk about.. like.. should I even be thinking about mav/lali if u are investigating in arli? Or did u waste resources into her in the first place?
4 years it's greedy, well done to finally understand it
(also 100$ for the huge pack its criminal)
I think people are exaggerating, we have had excellent banners, good banners, midly annoying banners, cruel banners and boring banners. Thats just part of the game.
Now, talking about the *reduced number or available protogems per version…*
They are giving us less and less each version! That IS a problem
Or the *Chronical Wish* giving (arguably) bad characters for the same “price” as a top meta character. Excuse me?
Clear Mihoyo account. So easy to spot.
@@shonenhikada9254 … did you notice my channel is old, I have unlisted videos, other subscriptions and I am actively criticizing mihoyo or are you just trolling?
@@nek0nata Old channel does not mean you can't be paid by Mihoyo to spread propaganda on their behalf.
F2P here with 90 pulls under my belt. Here is how I’m going to do it:
Pull: Citlali - Skip: Mavuika
(Mavuika is an archon. She’ll run again, which is when I’ll get her.)
Pull: Arleccino - Skip: Clorinde
( I have Raiden Shogun and Keqing.)
Chronicled wish pull: Ganyu
(I have zero Cryo dps’ on my account and no Ayaka so Shenhe is useless to me.)
Considering all this the banners and reward orders works perfectly for me.
do you "need" a cryo DPS, or do you just "want" a Cryo DPS.
I'm sort of f2p myself (i've paid for battle pass for 5-6 months during the release and then stopped)
I happen to have Ayaka due to playing for a really long time. And I really don't think you need a Cryo DPS at this point of the game. And if they will ever design some enemies or stages where Cryo is super strong, that's when they will release their super strong Cryo character.
So, if your only reason for getting Ganyu is "cryo dps", its not the best reason ^^'
but good luck anyway
Can't wait to try Ganyu - Bennett - Xiangling - Citlali
if u are pulling ganyu just because you have zero cryo dps, dont pull. you dont need any cryo dps
@@serikazero128 Thanks for the advice. I started during the second phase of 3.3 and missed all the Cryo characters that came before that. My only Cryo character for the longest time was Kaeya before I pulled Citlali and Diona today (yay me!) That made imaginarium theatre and some boss battles almost impossible. I chose Ganyu just to add one more to the list of my Cryo characters because Hoyo seems to have become allergic to them since I started playing. 😊
@@xShikari Is that a good comp or are you being sarcastic? 🤔😅
Guys I just spent 100 pulls on Zhongli & I spent 30 on Citlali & I got only C4 Bennett, C6 Fischl & C5 Yaoyao alongwith Charlotte.
Ooh~ a free 5-star weapon selector (or even a random one) would be exciting. I'm all for that because I seldom pull for weapons.
As an f2p player, I personally have 41,000 primos and 25 intertwined fates saved up currently. I just pull for characters I really want, and save the rest of the time. I got Xiao on his last rerun, then saved until Kinich and had enough primos to get him to C2 with 180 pulls left over, and now I'm back at over 41,000 primos. I've been playing for 2 and a bit years and haven't had any problems with this method personally.
If there is a patch that comes up where I really want multiple characters, I have enough saved to pull for both of them so it's not something I worry about. Being f2p can be hard as you have to have good self-control and the ability to be unbothered by all of the marketing and the attempts of making players constantly FOMO. But I can say the game is still very enjoyable regardless of the amount you spend on it.
Nice to see there are responsible, non-entitled people still in the world.
imagine if people would do this irl, save one of their salaries, and keep it as "funds", then then only spend the last month's salary on bills and stuff. They would be so less stresseed.
I also do something here, I usually stay above 10k primos, and then there's no issues. 20 wishes later this patch = 20 wishes for later patches that i already have saved up
@@serikazero128 Funny you say that, because that's basically what I do with my income already 😂
Both my parents were bankers so I grew up in a family that was VERY money smart and learnt from a young age the importance of saving and having reserve funds. So even as an adult, those lessons are engrained in me.
Honestly that's probably why I can do the same in genshin without it bothering me because I do it everyday anyway.
@@kirsty735 yeh, mine weren't bankers or amazing with money. I just noticed that if you don't spend everything, and keep some funds for "rainy days", its muuuuch easier to deal with those rainy days.
I'm not savy enough to know what to invest in and so on, but each year I can save 2-5k euros as I don't spend on a lot of frivilous stuff............. even tho I did spend 1k euros on a darn pair of sun glasses last year :)) but that was only make my friend shut up
so yes, being smart makes things a lot easier. Cudos to you for being part of the club ;)
“Figure out which character you want. You don’t need every character” AMEN! There should be more characters (reruns) per patch based on how many characters there are in the whole game! Characters shouldn’t take years to rerun… ‘there’s too many characters this patch’ NO! Finally there’s characters I want to wish for!
0:58 And 4 percent don't even know what they're doing on my channel 😂
i also think the chronicled wish is an understated nightmare for f2p/low spenders. most people who don't spend money on the game need to take advantage of the pity system extending over banners to get 5 stars without wasting primos, and if the chronicled characters are only ever released again on chronicled banners, that makes it a much higher investment to pull for those characters. for instance, if a f2p wants citlali and ganyu, they could lose 50/50 on citlali and not be able to pull ganyu because they'd have to have all 180 pulls to guarantee (versus being able to use that guarantee from 50/50 loss). otherwise, those chronicled wishes are literally just going to the void.
The one problem I really have with this doubling up of the 5-stars is it's going to be a pain in the butt to build them up to max/near max even with pre-farming. It's just a whole lot of mora to spend in a single patch if you get both characters.
Right? People are going to still be building them 2 months from now
After finally getting Furina, I decide to burn my next guarentee on Kazuha (because I lost him to Jean on his release and just kept skipping him). But rumor had it that Xilonen was going to be better than him. I mainly got him for the cc so no regrets on that. Now I was saving for Pyro Archon. Decided to burn wishes on Kinich, went back to saving, risked 50/50 on Zhongli, burned guarentee on Mauvika, won 75/25 on Citlali. So I'm set. Seems like everyone was lucky last night.
It's kind of a non issue tbh. Mavuika will re run soon so you don't need to pull her if you are not able too. It only sucks for F2P players who are at 50/50 with barely not enough wishes.
Otherwise what you get through exploration, other events, archon quest and prior savings should at least allow you pull Citlali and save those 20 pulls for the Mavuika re run or another character later on. Anyone who intended to pull on both chars anyways wouldn't really be reliant on 20 pulls. Personally, Idc whether I use those 20 pulls now or later, I pull for both on this banner anyways.
Turns out, I am a F2P who was at a 50/50 and lost at 77 pity to a C2 Mona. Don't have enough wishes anymore, and I've 100% the entire map already and done all quests and everything. Those 20 pulls, + if we actually had EVENTS in the patch where the damn archon was released, would've helped me at least get one character this patch. But yeah, lets defend the billion dollar company.
I had roughly 200-220 wishes saved up since 5.1. Got Mualani and Xilonen early in pity, fought temptation pulling for Neuvi (lost 50/50 on his first rerun), and I i was ready for Citlali. Ended up pulling both her and Mavuika. Lost 50/50s on them, but got them regardless. Had 75 wishes left so I threw it into the weapon banner and got Citlali's weapon. I'm satisfied till Skirk/Snezhnaya.
i agree that a patch-length-duration on new banners would be a good and decent change for them to make, but we never had any concrete reason to think it was happening. leakers b lyin' and then go "take it with a grain of salt" they don't make a bag big enough for these grains
I never take any leaks outside of kits 1 patch with 100% certainty. Always take everything with salt
Apologies for being skeptical, they got a whole 24hrs before the massive WuWa update, hard to not think it’s about making FoMo