I *LOVE* this thing. My mom got this for me while she was overseas and springer is amazing. It is the kingdom blaster of siege. I assume I got luckier because mine may have been made later when they knew what they needed to fix so I don’t have many of these problems.
I know right? I didn't even realize how different they were till I sat down to make this video. I knew they were different, but I didn't realize JUST HOW MUCH till now.
It took me a year to figure out how to transform springer correctly. I think springer is a more complex transformer with the instructions not being that clear on it. As for the car mode, it can roll. You just have to make sure the torso is as collapsed back as it can be. It's just a little clearance off the ground but it can roll
I can agree, this figure's transformations were an absolute nightmare the first few times I did it. It was so much so, I just left him on the shelf in robot mode with the rest of the display I had and forgot about him for months. I've since had to pack the figure away into storage, which is why I'm hoping that eventually obtaining the Wreckers version may restore some faith in the figure for me, with hopefully better QC and more experience with the transformation.
As much as I recognize the flaws, I NEEEEED HIM. He's the last 86 movie Autobot I need. Just need to get him, the Quintison Judge, and a few Sharkticon and Alicons.
I forgot to put in last month for a shout out or anything, but hey a perspective end video on my birthday, that's awesome. I had been kicking myself for passing on this the one time I saw it and then never again.
Happy Birthday man! I assume you are like me and just feel bad now cause it means you are getting that 1 year closer to death. This figure looks good, but I think you can tell by my review I don't think you should be beating your self up over not grabbing this.
@@PerspectiveEnd yes I am I honestly didn’t think you’d care enough but hey good to know you noticed. Thanks I cannot tell you how happy it made me to know that you remember me. I really needed to hear that today.
Of course I remember you, I care about all you guys. I even try to limit saying the word boobs in videos because I remember the time it made you uncomfortable. And I noticed that you changed because I realized it felt like a long time since I'd seen one of your comments so I looked for you, and found that you'd changed your Icon and Name, so that explained that.
Yeah, people really got on me about this since the last one, and with nothing new in CHUG out in my area right now, I didn't have a better time to do this.
Alright thank you for taking a look at this. He’s genuinely one of my favorite figures. I will admit the transformation takes a bit to iron out, but I got to work after about the third time. I find the transformation to be incredibly intuitive and fun. Great review, I eagerly await the MMC mirage review.
@@PerspectiveEnd I’ve made a comment before asking for your opinion on it. You told me that it was on your review list and that you just needed to find time. I will sit and wait for that mirage review. He’s a character I’m fond of and the MMC entices me.
Despite its many flaws, this is one of the figures from Siege that I want to have the most... Its price has raised from its release, but it's not unattainable.
I love this toy, one of my favourite Siege figures. Mine avoids most of the loose joints, although his ankle forwards are a little loose and the chest panels constantly pop off, but it's not enough to make me forget how wonderful the engineering is, how great it poses and how much I love Springer
I will say that I like it a lot better now that the legs hold together, you have no idea how frustrating it was before just falling over on my shelves on it's own. But god those shoulder panels are still a pain.
I once had the options to get him or cell shaded prime sort of regret that decision because when I got him everything on him was loose only a year later I realized I could tighten the joints by using glue and he’s been working fine for me ever since
I always plug the combined blaster directly onto the peg hole on the roof, and the rotating piece pegged by one of the non-rotating pegs onto the back of vehicle.
Damn this looks great! Thanks for the review. Love the look of the weathering of this one. Looks way better than the old CHUG that I sold way back the day.
Fun fact: If you get one of his swords, it can be given to Sideswipe and even peg into the bit of the shoulder cannon that goes into his shoulder for vehicle mode storage!
@@PerspectiveEnd so you know the peg holes you complained about on the swords? Those fit perfectly into the tab on the gun. I think the swords work for him tbh, fits his brawler personality.
I recently got the toy colours version of Springer and absolutely love it. I can admit it's not perfect, however it does seem to have a good number of fixed tolerances. However my figures backpack is a bit too loose
For me I was never really keen to G1 Springer and tbh my favorite Springer is IDW Springer having the Thrilling 30’s Springer figure is still the figure I have and prefer over WFC Springer
I never really felt his Character in IDW1, I feel like he wasn't really ever there, and when he was he was mostly secondary to other characters, like even in his highlights he tended to be running second fiddle to Impactors character development.
I got Springer a year into my 3rd time collecting Transformers. He was my first Springer toy (unless you count Cybertron Bulkhead, which I don't). Like you, I was happy to consider him more accurate than the G1 cartoon version. He definitely falls into the category of figures I like despite his flaws. He's also in the category of Transformers I almost never pickup to play with. The transformation isn't something I find fun or challenging, so on the shelf he sits.
"He's also in the category of Transformers I almost never pickup to play with. The transformation isn't something I find fun or challenging, so on the shelf he sits." I relate to you so hard right now.
I was pleasantly surprised to see you doing a review of Siege Springer. Although late it is timely given the Amazon redeco coming out. Quick question, I know it hasn’t been on your recommends vids but would you recommend the thrilling 30 Springer and Sandstorm (I know you put them at the top of your what’s the best wreckers vid). Thanks!
Yeah, they are pretty fun especially Sandstorm. Though expensive now, and don't get your hopes up about they posing. They are WAY behind the times on that now. But the transformation and altmodes are good enough to compensate.
I'm definitely going to work the word "antithesis" into at least one of my conversations today. Also my Springer is in box and waiting for me to move into a bigger place but now I know all the QC issues.
1:07 - 1:08 & 1:52 - 1:55 IT'S HIP TO BE SQUARE! Coincidentally (or maybe it was intended as an Easter Egg on your part), the song by Huey and the News was also released in 1986.
For me, this was the snowball that started the Transformers collection obsession avalanche in 2021. Technically I ordered him right after Christmas 2020 or somewhere around there, but he didn't arrive until after the new year. I don't necessarily mind the fiddle factor of his transformation, but I do watch very closely if I do transform him. I have a method for realigning the chest bits so I don't pop out those side panels.
@@PerspectiveEnd I automatically gravitate to anything the color green, so I couldn't pass him up. Looking forward to Moon Studio Green Zone coming up.
Just Transformed him the other night. I forgot how frustrating the arms can be. It's kinda neat that Springer's arm design was partly used for Hot Rod and Rodimus. Though it was much better utalized. My 86 shelf is lookin pretty good now that I got Perceptor. At least Springer seems to be around the right hight for the movie. Your not the only one, I also loved the look of the battledamage in seige. :P
How do you mean his arms were used for Hotrod and Rodimus. And yeah I swear I've never seen a figure with an inconsistent transformation step before. Every time you go to do the shoulders it's a different problem to deal with.
@@PerspectiveEnd Talking about the two hinged bars that the arms are attached to. Those bars arnt seen in the robot mode though. Its similar to the hotrod arm bars but I can tell that the hot-rod arm hinged bars are better than Seige Springer's hinged arm bars.
This is just something that I’ve been wondering about. You’ve been adding a little subtitle to the titles of your videos for a while now, and I’m wondering if that’s helping the videos preform. Did you notice that videos with a subtitle for more views or is it just something that your doing for fun (or are you just trying it out to see what happens).
It hasn't helped this last week(Viewewer ship has been down and sub growth basically stopped), and I don't know if it helped in general, but there was an Uptick in Growth when I started, though I started it basically when I started getting Legacy Figures in which is the new hotness so I'm not sure. I just think it give's the videos some pizzazz with the naming.
To me this figure is AMAZING and I've alway liked the the transformers that transformed twice and wish there were more like why not be a a air vehicle AND a land vehicle so you could not only disguise yourself better but also get away faster
I actually found that the "super gun" works so much better after I found out that you can peg the barrel of one gun into the other, and then use the rotor assembly as an under-slung grenade launcher, and have the swords on the side to make a visually cohesive rifle.
Siege Springer is my first triple changer I have collected. And even with the battle damage paint here and there, I like how he looks. Looking forward to getting the Wreck N Rule G1 toy colored Springer. And hope that Hasbro is working on a Studio Series 86 Springer that G1 cartoon color accurate.
One advantage of the new version, and I don't know if it's like this everywhere or just Australia, but the new one is only $5 Aussie Didgeridollars more than a regular Delux. While also being $5 (or even $15 depending on where you buy) LESS than regular Voyagers
springer is LOVEABLY SQUARED. he's a squared bot, a cubic car, a rettangular copter but the whole mold feels like people didn't manually test it, so everything is good on paper, but doesn't feel like that. I'm not a fan of geting bots just to display them and leave them there untill some other figure comes along, but this feels like a figure done for that. I wonder if they'd fix anything for the newer release...
@@PerspectiveEnd the baseline, was having him with the 'archaic speech' setup, paired with litteral citation and everything that neckbeards later corrupted
WFC Springer is a damn enigma Like he's pretty cool and very g1 accurate but like... I forget he exists let alone remembering he came out during siege He's pretty fun and I did fix the joint issues, maybe I made one ankle a little too tight but he's alot better than he was before
Springer was actually the 5th transformer I got after I started Collecting. I got him as a Christmas Present along side Megatron and Thundercracker. I love the figure, it looks amazing, but for some reason, the right helicopter strut (the thing that come out of the arms) is So Dam Tight, I physically can't get it to pop out the full way, so I can't get it to Transform properly. I still like it, I like Springer and it is nice to own a good version of him, but I can't say I dont feel some resentment to the figure for being the only transformer I fail to transform. I would definitely say this is a mixed bag. Good thing I only care about robot modes tbh
If you fold piece of tape in between the panels that are used to lock the arms in place and the thing they attach to. If you do that, you'll have it tightened, which will remedy the problem. You might have to experiment with how much tape is needed though, as too little will not do much and too much will keep it from staying in.
I really love this mold. I got the 86 version for deluxe price. So very good. I put all of the accessories except for the sword in storage because he came with unnecessary stuff.
I found this guy in a second hand collector store unopened for only like $35, and I'm so glad I did. I'm kinda expecting them to rerelease it in SS86, but I'm happy with mine
I must have got a good copy, since none of the joints are loose and everything locks securely. Also they car doesn't banana, though it might as well be scratching something because the wheels are too damn smooth
I really like this springer but i do agree with the issues. I usually put the t30 springer sword on him because that sword is amazing! You also can combine the two guns on top of the helicoptor rotating thingy to make another sword. AND I HATE THE STUPID GREEN PANELS, they can just go in the trash but no, I have to keep them because it fills a gap. I just take them off all together when im transforming this thing.
Side Note: The combined gun mode has the two guns pegging into the top port of the rotor. This presses on the pin of the rotor and makes it less floppy.
I must have won the QC lottery, multiple times over. Very few of my figures, from Siege 'til now, have had issues (the biggest QC issue I have, with a different figure, is a legitimate improvement -- a wrong head/ face, somehow in the correct colors, but it fits the character better). My Springer is tight. It actually requires a bit of force to start transforming his shins. Even with fairly tight knees, holding the shins (outside of the legs) & trying to bend the legs only bends the knees. Thighs are slightly too tight, but not concerningly so. Even my Tracks's legs mostly support him, just fine. Easily knocked out of alignment, if I touch his legs wrong, but even big trucks rattling everything on shelves, when they pass, don't knock him over. For the propeller core, I have it on his arm, using one of the stationary side pegs, like a forearm-mounted launcher (top parallel to the arm). There's just enough detail, it doesn't not look like a weapon, from some angles. I forget what I do with it in car mode. I also gave him the pair of Autobot Micromasters that combine into a missile launcher (the set with a tank), but he holds it underslung, so the faces are on the bottom. A big Wrecker seemed the best to wield them. The sword problem was unavoidable. It's simple physics. Long things being held on one end will always feel easily removable, without an annoying locking mechanism, because touching the other end leverages it off the tab. The only solutions were either move the slot up onto the blade, so they stick up over his shoulders; make the tab longer, & risk it snapping, like with Cheetor; or have unsightly, posts/ peg holes on the swords. If you carefully touch near the tab, unless you have horrid QC, you can feel there's actually a good amount of friction. As to the arms, it took me into Earthrise, I think, before I figured out the backpack. I found positioning the arms first, & then tabbing in the backpack makes everything, on mine, very secure (pain to line up, until you learn the angles the armatures need to be at). I really don't like the cockpit section being transparent plastic & being a necessary locking point, especially with how everything was flexing, the way I was doing it before. So, when I finally figured out the order & positioning for it, & saw it doesn't seem to stress anything, I was rather happy & relieved. Agree the transformations can be cumbersom, at times. And getting the top of the car to hold together is questionable, at best. Oh, & the gap fillers on the sides of the chest never gave me problems, & I didn't even know they could pop off. Yeah, getting the arms into position in car mode is a chore, but I don't think removing the panels would help me. I still think FansProject's Warbot Defender is the best looking (for CHUG-scale) Springer, in all modes, though it's not accurate. Unfortunately, mine's knees gave out, after a while, so he can't stand, anymore. Some kind of ratcheting engineering ground down, leaving dust, until the friction was gone. Transforming him is practically a form of Origami.
That's crazy to me, I've never heard of a Springer who had even 1 good knee let alone two, and feet on top of that. I don't think that's necessarily true, like look at Grapple and Inferno, they have relatively long guns with pegs on the back, and they don't attach loosely, it takes real force to get them out. it just depends on how they are attached. Like if the rectangular peg they attach to was cut horizontally it probably would have made all of the difference. The transformation also isn't the most rewarding since you are switching between a car, and a Helicopter with the front half of a car. I don't know that i can Agree with you about the Fansproject. It looks to me too much like an old UT figure.
@@PerspectiveEnd I was just transforming my Siege Springer, & trying to get the feet lined up for car mode, I got an extra click out of the waist (not sure which joint), somehow (wasn't intentional, but I think it always happens, during that step, for me), which lined up the wheels (with literally paper thin clearance), so the car can roll, without scratching up the belt buckle (mine has never lost any paint, not that he's in either vehicle mode, much). So, it is possible, it just takes extra finagling. I always find helicopter mode holds together better, even if it's more of a pain to get to. Though, tonight, for some reason, the roof of the car mode is actually securing in place. It's normally a tad loose. Must've finally found the proper orientation for everything. For the propeller part's car mode storage, I plug it, with one of the thin tabs, into a slot in the legs. With the huge Micromaster rocket launcher on the roof, it looks like a support for it (from some angles; though, it's not actually touching it, unless it's backwards or angled upwards a bit). The pretending it's a mortar launcher, or whatever, is still viable, in a C.O.M.B.A.T. port, in that mode, too. For lining up the arms, blind, for helicopter mode (though car mode isn't too different), I line up the tabs on the forearms (& the cutouts for the hinges -- noticed them immediately, when I was first transforming him), first, then finagle the fronts into place (though, pegging in the fronts first does work, if everything's already lined up). Requires getting both sides mostly into position, & squeezing both, together, until they peg in. Trying one side at a time can misalign the other side, given there's some wiggle, I think from the hips, until everything is pegged in. Last thing I do is secure the roof, because of that wiggle, which lines up perfectly, once the arms are in place. As to Warbot Defender, aesthetic opinion is strictly subjective. Everyone always has their own tastes & preferences. Never did find Warbot Assaulter, which I did want. It's semi-resemblance to the SDF-1 intrigued me. With Grapple & Inferno, as I stated (as a solution for Springer), they're using pegs, which have more surface area for friction, instead of thin tabs. Also, the swords are much longer (from tip to attachment point), providing more mechanical advantage to the lever action. And Springer's tabs couldn't be horizontal, without substantially thickening the blades. Not enough plastic, to prevent breakage. I agree there isn't a lot of difference between the general shape of the altmodes, but that's his design. They do try, by shifting the front wheel sections a bit. That's part of why I prefer Defender. Both modes are substantially different, but still very much in line with Springer.
I like to Peg the helicopter rotor on its side and car mode almost as if it has some kind of a satellite or something on the top of it. It's a stretch but when it's just free moving it's annoying
@@PerspectiveEnd yeah definitely my OCD just doesn't like having extra parts when I transform one of them. Always like putting something somewhere even if it doesn't belong
I bought the Wrecker Springer and immediately regretted it after I bought. My siege Springer fell apart when I tried transforming him. I was able to transform the Wrecker Springer, but I am afraid to transformer him back to robot mode. The little green pieces kept falling off and the mushroom peg at the waist kept popping out. I agree with you though, I love the way her looks.
@@PerspectiveEnd The same ones that fell off for you the two green panels on the bottom front when he is in vehicle mode. They the torso also slips out at times.
I don't know why that quote in the 1st comment made me go off on such a tangent. Anyway great vid I almost bought this thing actually but now I'm glad I didn't.
You are supposed to close the chest assembly with the panels over the struts place already more or less where they should go, not peg in the arm struts afterwards. The panels are there to help keep the struts in place and fill the sides of the chest, but forcing the hooks in after the chest is already in place is very much NOT the intended way to transform it. I never had issues with the swords pegging too lightly and the feet aren't that loose, the transformation just requires to align things very carefully. Especially the waist strut is a bit hard to compress and align well, there is a point in which it sort of clicks and aligns into place and it's easy to miss because that click almost makes you feel like you are breaking the figure. The roof then pegs in and secures the rest and it pegs in very tightly in my experience if you did everything else correctly. The only real issue I have is that one of the shoulders pegs a bit too lightly in helicopter mode and even then it's not super easy to unpeg. PS: I don't think I ever managed to pop off those side panels, but then again I never tried too hard to force the arm struts on them after I closed the chest the first time I trasformed it because I noticed almost right away that the hooks on the struts were a bit too deep for that.
I try to do that, it just doesn't want to go ever, and that still makes them superfluous and in the way. Man I don't know how you can't have a problem with the swords, every time I pick that thing up off my shelves one of them fell off. And perhaps yours has better qc at the feet, but mine can't hold a pose. Some times I'll get the ankles to be straight and then like a day later the figure will fall over, and the feet will be bent all the way down because they just slowly rotated till it fell. I popped those side panels off 4 times while making this video, WITHOUT trying to peg the arms on, just while switching between modes, they hold on with spit and hope.
Got this guy a few days ago, my impressions are "well this is neat, but I can see the compromises made..." and I find it weird too how the helicopter rolls better than the car mode. Oddly enough my copy seems to not have the infamous stability issues with the knees and feet, guess I got lucky.
Springer is awesome and his helicopter only accesorie I use it for Kingdom Dinobots tail shield so it can spin like in Beast Wars, I hope this helped find a new use for that almost useless piece.
I honestly regret having sold mine. Mine had loose ankles, the tabs that hold that one strut inside the shins refused to stay locked in, and I broke the huge tabs that hold the legs together in the vegetable modes on my second attempt to transform it. I guess I held most of those issues against the figure itself when it had been my fault for breaking it, and not using superglue to increase the joint friction. I was furious with it, and I’m hoping the wreckers version fixes those tolerance issues.
The Vegetable modes you say? One would have to hope the Wreckers version fixes that, because if not it's going to be Ugly and Bad and at that point what's the point right? I don't know that you can be blamed for not fixing a toy that shouldn't have needed to be fixed when you bought it.
@@PerspectiveEnddo it before you tab the back of the alt mode together, the joint holding the torso and backpack to the rest of the figure has a Detent in it that will snap into place when the joint is moved back far enough during the process of collapsing the waist into the area under the torso. note how the joint is circular and then there is a pointed edge at the back of it? that's the Detent you need it to get past in order to snap it into place I transformed it without using this detent to confirm that was the problem and it had the same issue you had when I did so.
I've been meaning to get this figure for a while now, cuz I like the character and I enjoyed his T30 figure, tho 8 years and an increase in more 'sophisticated' engineering later, and now that figure's looking a bit old hat today. Still a great figure, especially for its time
I loved this figure when I first bought it, nowadays I just like it for what it is but the legs and ankle joints kind of killed it for me. Especially when I animated it in my videos, so instead I ended up using the thrilling 30 version.
I can understand how frust4raiting the build would be if you were trying to animate it. Try tightening the joints, it made a world of difference for me.
I coildnt agree more with this review, the QC issues drove me to sell this thing because it was so unpleasant to handle his flaky bot mode and awkward transformations. That being said, I just picked up the Legacy version and the quality is noticeably improved. The shoulders stay put and the knees can actually support him while usually staying pegged in. Id recommend it if you can get it at a decent price!
I always forget about this figure. Not because it's bad, I think it's release in the time-line makes spring-ding fuzzy for me. It's just weird that he came out way before any of SS86 that I keep wondering when we're going to get a new springer. Idk he just feels out of place in siege.
The joints on mine are very tight and don't seem to pop out like that, I got lucky I feel. His transformation is fun for me but also complicated at the same time, sometimes I just don't wanna bother lol. This figure itself is extremely sentimental to me as it's one of the figures my mother got me, and is one of the last gifts I've received from her before her passing in January of this year. Seeing how the face was painted on this figure I always wondered why they went for a more animation-esque look over the rest of siege that had the metallic silver faces. I'm happy they kept the more pale opaque paint on it as it does go well with all the SS86 figs I have.
He's definitely a mixed bag for me too. Like, I both love and hate the engineering of his upper body. I mean, it's so damn clean in robot mode with very few gaps... But ugh, when you need to transform it! It's not forgiving in getting steps wrong. And those legs are just... _internal screaming_ Also 100% agreement on the rubbishness of the swords being able to be stored anywhere!
I will never transform this thing for fun, cause it just isn't. The legs bother me so much less now that I fixed them. Just a faint memory of EXTREME frustration.
Springer, apeface, snapdragon, tracks(yes, tracks, road rage not so much), galvatron and the beast wars , are the only figures in wfc that i like from this wfc line
I see the appeal of this thing, and I know the previous version has its fair share of problems, but honestly, I'm glad I stuck with the T30. I dunno, I've kind of grown to think of blocky Springer as just wrong. I agree he's not the "Han Solo" people claim him to be, but the T30 has more of that roguish look to his character without being too stylized. Plus, barring my copy's hiccups, the transformation between modes just gets more out of me, mostly coz they look very different from each other.
I saw your complaints about the qc and thought my springers qc would be hysterical. You see my springer dosent have weak knees or feet (left side is wayyy weaker though) but his fucking hips are the weak point so whenever I try To do a dynamic pose with him he’s like a flamenco dancer
Someone on TFW2005 was so angry about this figure and its Amazon redeco that he decided to try and start his own third party company and make a cartoon accurate baby bib Springer in this scale (which his idea of cartoon accurate is bootlegging a Fanstoys figure). He's yet to mention said project again. TFW2005 is a scourge.
'bot mode looks good, and any of them are closer to his screen look, but I still prefer the Generations IDW Springer, especially the way his rotors transform into a sword, where Siege just pulls apart into two blades and a useless center thing. Maybe it's a squeegee for washing his cockpit windows? Except that cockpit is so small you need a q-tip instead. The only thing you could fit in there is buyer's regret! ;)
Siege Springer is genuinely one of my favorite figured, but the knees tab in so badly mine legitimately cannot stand up, I have to have it constantly leaning against Ultra Magnus on the shelf…
I have no problems with the arms popping off, but one of the knees does have that exact problem, and I probably have the best copy in terms of QC of anyone I know. When I got mine back in early 2021 I was kind of considering getting a second copy because I was certain I just got a bad copy, but in hindsight I'm glad I didn't because it's extremely unlikely a second copy would have been better. It would probably have been worse.
Mine for sone miraculous reason has no talon problem what so ever. He can even stand on one leg with ease. I must have been very lucky because everything holds solidly. My only nick pick is the backpack doesn’t really lock somewhere, but other than that he’s everything I expected and a little more.
Recently got Newage Mista (DOTM Soundwave) and even though the transformation was a bitch I love it and have made a display with some of my movie figures and it’s honestly my favorite thing I’ve ever made.
A proplem I have from siege springer, is that he’s a little too bulky for me,but overall I likes this figure,so I just hope hasbro fixed some issues on legacy springer, though I doubt it
When you first got springer did you like it at first because in your siege retrospective, it seems like you thought it was an OK figure and now you hate it
Hadn't planned to buy it, but found on sale for 20$ and like why not. Transformed it once, never touched it again since. But he looks pretty good, i guess. My swords actually holds relatively well on his back.
His arms going into helicopter mode are very frustrating, you need to tab the forearm into the legs, and then squeeze the shoulders HARD into the chest area. More than I like to do and not think I’m breaking the thing.
@@PerspectiveEnd I sprung for the Amazon wrecker version, they still had a few in stock, that version appears to have the same head plastics as the one they shown in the stream. And unless you really want the extra accessories I really don’t see how it’s worth the extra $ when the figures alt modes themselves, although not a terrible rendition, as you pointed out are not screen accurate, especially when they went way above and beyond with the Ultra Magnus who was the 3-4th version of his character in mainline within just a few years for the 86 line.
I’m content with Thrilling 30. It is not perfect, but it is enough of what I want that Siege Springer never peaked my radar. I know he isn’t for everyone just that it is enough for me.
Great review PerspectiveEnd!!!! I have my own conspiracy theory that Hasbro and Takara Tomy are intentionally making the alt modes horrible, since most copies of these Transformers will end up on the shelves of collectors "permanently" transformed into robot mode, and Siege Springer is one figure that supports this conspiracy theory, another figure which made me think of this conspiracy is Kingdom Ultra Magnus. :P Keep on being amazing.
I lost one of my siege springer’s swords to I gave the other one to Hotrod as a mini sword of primus and I used Lego swords for springer *the big ones usually gold* and they’re square at the end so they look more screen accurate when painted
@@PerspectiveEnd Id still have the sword if I ever needed the heliobopter mode. Its not like I would transform him often so its not inconvienient. As a bonus I get a cool vehicon sword.
Hey Perspective did you ever picked up the Planet X PxC04-Caucus Grimlock, an if you did are you going to review it with all your Grimlock's in the 10,000 subscriber special.
I like it more than you! Sounds like you have more issues with the transformation than I do too though so 🤷. I feel this is prolly the best mainline figure we will be getting for g1 Springer. And I'm ok with that, I like it just fine, I don't mind the battledmg even but it would have been nice to get one without it. Because I like the mold I'm getting the comic/toy wrecker logo springer when it finally comes out. I really hope they put out a new Thunderclash I mean he was teased in the comic where they was showing off all the new molds for legacy so why not right!? Anywho, great vid as usual 👌👏👍
I like the way generations springer handled the rotor/sword. The only thing that bothers me with every springer is the need to parts form the blades with every iteration. I get that it becomes his sword, but couldn't a company figure out a way to make the partsforming optional?
It would be cool if they could do that yes, I can understand why it's hard though. Long and thin parts are hard to engineer in. And yes the Generations handled it better.
I *LOVE* this thing. My mom got this for me while she was overseas and springer is amazing. It is the kingdom blaster of siege. I assume I got luckier because mine may have been made later when they knew what they needed to fix so I don’t have many of these problems.
I got this for my son back when it first hit shelves, and I was jealous. Until clips started breaking off and he lost all the accessories.
Where over seas was your mother?
Which clips broke.
Mine too. I had none of these problems.
@@PerspectiveEnd in the Philippines
I was really shocked to see how different siege springer is compared to his animation model
I know right? I didn't even realize how different they were till I sat down to make this video. I knew they were different, but I didn't realize JUST HOW MUCH till now.
It took me a year to figure out how to transform springer correctly. I think springer is a more complex transformer with the instructions not being that clear on it. As for the car mode, it can roll. You just have to make sure the torso is as collapsed back as it can be. It's just a little clearance off the ground but it can roll
You and me both.
I mean I've collapse the torso as much as it will allow.
I can agree, this figure's transformations were an absolute nightmare the first few times I did it. It was so much so, I just left him on the shelf in robot mode with the rest of the display I had and forgot about him for months. I've since had to pack the figure away into storage, which is why I'm hoping that eventually obtaining the Wreckers version may restore some faith in the figure for me, with hopefully better QC and more experience with the transformation.
Yeah he's just not fun to transform. I look at him and think "Nah" when I consider flipping between modes.
I'm glad i'm getting a second chance at getting this mold in Legacy, I was never able to find the OG figure anywhere.
I hope you wind up liking it, but the way I see it, this things one strength is now gone with the new looks.
As much as I recognize the flaws, I NEEEEED HIM. He's the last 86 movie Autobot I need. Just need to get him, the Quintison Judge, and a few Sharkticon and Alicons.
I totally understand this viewpoint. I too suffer needing to complete an 86 cast.
@@PerspectiveEnd Which ones do you need?
I'm most of the way there at this point. I might just need a Unicron and thats is.
I always thought I was doing the car mode wrong, thanks for the clarification with the belt buckle
Yeah, it' just a stupid oversight of the design.
I forgot to put in last month for a shout out or anything, but hey a perspective end video on my birthday, that's awesome.
I had been kicking myself for passing on this the one time I saw it and then never again.
Happy Birthday man! I assume you are like me and just feel bad now cause it means you are getting that 1 year closer to death.
This figure looks good, but I think you can tell by my review I don't think you should be beating your self up over not grabbing this.
I have been wondering for so long when the Earthrise video was going to come out, good to know you didn’t forget about it.
Oh believe me, I haven't forgotten, every week I think about that thing and feel guilty I haven't done it yet.
Oh my God! You are Hiroshi Sosa?
Ya gotta tell me when you change both your icon and your name at the same time. I didn't recognize you any more.
@@PerspectiveEnd yes I am I honestly didn’t think you’d care enough but hey good to know you noticed. Thanks I cannot tell you how happy it made me to know that you remember me. I really needed to hear that today.
Of course I remember you, I care about all you guys. I even try to limit saying the word boobs in videos because I remember the time it made you uncomfortable.
And I noticed that you changed because I realized it felt like a long time since I'd seen one of your comments so I looked for you, and found that you'd changed your Icon and Name, so that explained that.
I've been waiting for this... Since you did that toy accurate one reveal reaction. That was barely a month ago. That was fast. Nice review.
Yeah, people really got on me about this since the last one, and with nothing new in CHUG out in my area right now, I didn't have a better time to do this.
Alright thank you for taking a look at this. He’s genuinely one of my favorite figures. I will admit the transformation takes a bit to iron out, but I got to work after about the third time. I find the transformation to be incredibly intuitive and fun. Great review, I eagerly await the MMC mirage review.
Man it took to like the 50th time for me to finally figure out what was going wrong.
How did you know I have the MMC Mirage?
@@PerspectiveEnd I’ve made a comment before asking for your opinion on it. You told me that it was on your review list and that you just needed to find time. I will sit and wait for that mirage review. He’s a character I’m fond of and the MMC entices me.
Despite its many flaws, this is one of the figures from Siege that I want to have the most... Its price has raised from its release, but it's not unattainable.
Hopefully they do an 86 version like the Arcee.
I love this toy, one of my favourite Siege figures. Mine avoids most of the loose joints, although his ankle forwards are a little loose and the chest panels constantly pop off, but it's not enough to make me forget how wonderful the engineering is, how great it poses and how much I love Springer
I will say that I like it a lot better now that the legs hold together, you have no idea how frustrating it was before just falling over on my shelves on it's own.
But god those shoulder panels are still a pain.
I remember being so hyped for springer when he was first revealed but as usual I couldn’t find him anywhere
I'm sorry to hear that, I will say I don't think you missed anything vital, but if you wanted it I wish you could have gotten it.
I once had the options to get him or cell shaded prime sort of regret that decision because when I got him everything on him was loose only a year later I realized I could tighten the joints by using glue and he’s been working fine for me ever since
Glad to hear that you fixed him. Sorry that you had the same experience as me for so long.
I always plug the combined blaster directly onto the peg hole on the roof, and the rotating piece pegged by one of the non-rotating pegs onto the back of vehicle.
That is the way to do it if you don't want the spinning cannon.
Damn this looks great! Thanks for the review. Love the look of the weathering of this one. Looks way better than the old CHUG that I sold way back the day.
Soon there shall be an 86 version, so perhaps hold off till we see what that one looks like.
@@PerspectiveEnd Ohhhh. Thanks for the headsup man! Going to put everything on hold for the meantime.
Fun fact: If you get one of his swords, it can be given to Sideswipe and even peg into the bit of the shoulder cannon that goes into his shoulder for vehicle mode storage!
How would it peg into the shoulder cannon? And it's weird that he's associated with swords now right. Like he didn't really have those in G1.
@@PerspectiveEnd so you know the peg holes you complained about on the swords? Those fit perfectly into the tab on the gun. I think the swords work for him tbh, fits his brawler personality.
I love springer and I got the airwolf one. Also I did a job interview yesterday and went well! Great video.
Nice! What was the Job.
And I got Airwolf too. He's quite good.
@@PerspectiveEnd it’s just Kroger but it’s pretty important to me considering it’s a good place to work at for people with disabilities like me.
I recently got the toy colours version of Springer and absolutely love it. I can admit it's not perfect, however it does seem to have a good number of fixed tolerances. However my figures backpack is a bit too loose
I actually have Wrecker Springer coming in. Should be here the Saturday of me making this comment
Hope you wind up enjoying it.
For me I was never really keen to G1 Springer and tbh my favorite Springer is IDW Springer having the Thrilling 30’s Springer figure is still the figure I have and prefer over WFC Springer
I never really felt his Character in IDW1, I feel like he wasn't really ever there, and when he was he was mostly secondary to other characters, like even in his highlights he tended to be running second fiddle to Impactors character development.
I got Springer a year into my 3rd time collecting Transformers. He was my first Springer toy (unless you count Cybertron Bulkhead, which I don't).
Like you, I was happy to consider him more accurate than the G1 cartoon version.
He definitely falls into the category of figures I like despite his flaws. He's also in the category of Transformers I almost never pickup to play with. The transformation isn't something I find fun or challenging, so on the shelf he sits.
"He's also in the category of Transformers I almost never pickup to play with. The transformation isn't something I find fun or challenging, so on the shelf he sits."
I relate to you so hard right now.
I was pleasantly surprised to see you doing a review of Siege Springer. Although late it is timely given the Amazon redeco coming out.
Quick question, I know it hasn’t been on your recommends vids but would you recommend the thrilling 30 Springer and Sandstorm (I know you put them at the top of your what’s the best wreckers vid). Thanks!
Yeah, they are pretty fun especially Sandstorm. Though expensive now, and don't get your hopes up about they posing. They are WAY behind the times on that now. But the transformation and altmodes are good enough to compensate.
I personally love this figure, since it was one of the figures that reinvigorated my love for the Transformers. Great review.
I'm glad to hear you enjoy yours. Does it have better QC than mine?
@@PerspectiveEnd Oh yeah, way better QC. Sorry I didn’t respond sooner.
I'm definitely going to work the word "antithesis" into at least one of my conversations today. Also my Springer is in box and waiting for me to move into a bigger place but now I know all the QC issues.
Been waiting for this review!
Happy to finally provide.
1:07 - 1:08 & 1:52 - 1:55
IT'S HIP TO BE SQUARE!
Coincidentally (or maybe it was intended as an Easter Egg on your part), the song by Huey and the News was also released in 1986.
I'm pretty sure it's just a coincidence.
For me, this was the snowball that started the Transformers collection obsession avalanche in 2021. Technically I ordered him right after Christmas 2020 or somewhere around there, but he didn't arrive until after the new year. I don't necessarily mind the fiddle factor of his transformation, but I do watch very closely if I do transform him. I have a method for realigning the chest bits so I don't pop out those side panels.
Glad to hear that this had such a positive effect on you. Wish I felt more positively about it.
@@PerspectiveEnd I automatically gravitate to anything the color green, so I couldn't pass him up. Looking forward to Moon Studio Green Zone coming up.
Just Transformed him the other night. I forgot how frustrating the arms can be. It's kinda neat that Springer's arm design was partly used for Hot Rod and Rodimus. Though it was much better utalized. My 86 shelf is lookin pretty good now that I got Perceptor. At least Springer seems to be around the right hight for the movie.
Your not the only one, I also loved the look of the battledamage in seige. :P
How do you mean his arms were used for Hotrod and Rodimus.
And yeah I swear I've never seen a figure with an inconsistent transformation step before. Every time you go to do the shoulders it's a different problem to deal with.
@@PerspectiveEnd Talking about the two hinged bars that the arms are attached to. Those bars arnt seen in the robot mode though. Its similar to the hotrod arm bars but I can tell that the hot-rod arm hinged bars are better than Seige Springer's hinged arm bars.
This is just something that I’ve been wondering about. You’ve been adding a little subtitle to the titles of your videos for a while now, and I’m wondering if that’s helping the videos preform. Did you notice that videos with a subtitle for more views or is it just something that your doing for fun (or are you just trying it out to see what happens).
It hasn't helped this last week(Viewewer ship has been down and sub growth basically stopped), and I don't know if it helped in general, but there was an Uptick in Growth when I started, though I started it basically when I started getting Legacy Figures in which is the new hotness so I'm not sure.
I just think it give's the videos some pizzazz with the naming.
To me this figure is AMAZING and I've alway liked the the transformers that transformed twice and wish there were more like why not be a a air vehicle AND a land vehicle so you could not only disguise yourself better but also get away faster
The Triple Changes are Awesome for sure.
Technically Combiners are Triple Changers.
@@PerspectiveEnd I guess technically
I just showed my dad the original 86 movie, so this was a cool video to see after finishing it.
How'd he like it?
@@PerspectiveEnd I think he liked it, but he was really surprised when Optimus and Starscream died.
I actually found that the "super gun" works so much better after I found out that you can peg the barrel of one gun into the other, and then use the rotor assembly as an under-slung grenade launcher, and have the swords on the side to make a visually cohesive rifle.
An interesting Idea I had not considered.
This springer is still good I am excited for the wrecker version and I'm sure we all "got better things to do Tonight" -springer
I mean if the new version fixes his QC issues despite being the Boring Looking version, he still might be the better one.
Siege Springer is my first triple changer I have collected. And even with the battle damage paint here and there, I like how he looks. Looking forward to getting the Wreck N Rule G1 toy colored Springer. And hope that Hasbro is working on a Studio Series 86 Springer that G1 cartoon color accurate.
Do you normally dislike Battle Damage?
Sorry that it sounded misleading. Yes, I do like the battle damage from Siege. It shows the wear of war on the Autobots and Deceptions.
One advantage of the new version, and I don't know if it's like this everywhere or just Australia, but the new one is only $5 Aussie Didgeridollars more than a regular Delux. While also being $5 (or even $15 depending on where you buy) LESS than regular Voyagers
Really? Thats weird. They must know those colors are a hard sell.
One fig I've since regretted missing out on despite the flaws it has, especially when I could have all the main Movie 86 cast ^^;
Totally understand this feeling, he does look great for group shots at least.
good review, now we have to wait for the skywarp legacy review
Hopefully not too long.
springer is LOVEABLY SQUARED. he's a squared bot, a cubic car, a rettangular copter
but the whole mold feels like people didn't manually test it, so everything is good on paper, but doesn't feel like that.
I'm not a fan of geting bots just to display them and leave them there untill some other figure comes along, but this feels like a figure done for that. I wonder if they'd fix anything for the newer release...
also, the original italian dub made him an EXPERIENCE. anything that isn't that, well, it just won't ever be on the level
Hopefully they upgrade him and put it in the 86 line like Arcee.
Square good.
And what about the Italian Dub made him an "EXPERIENCE" as you put it.
@@PerspectiveEnd the baseline, was having him with the 'archaic speech' setup, paired with litteral citation and everything that neckbeards later corrupted
@@PerspectiveEnd ruclips.net/video/9KfYWCS2G6Y/видео.html
WFC Springer is a damn enigma
Like he's pretty cool and very g1 accurate but like...
I forget he exists let alone remembering he came out during siege
He's pretty fun and I did fix the joint issues, maybe I made one ankle a little too tight but he's alot better than he was before
I need to attack those ankles soo my self. It's so undermined by it's build it's insane.
Springer was actually the 5th transformer I got after I started Collecting. I got him as a Christmas Present along side Megatron and Thundercracker. I love the figure, it looks amazing, but for some reason, the right helicopter strut (the thing that come out of the arms) is So Dam Tight, I physically can't get it to pop out the full way, so I can't get it to Transform properly.
I still like it, I like Springer and it is nice to own a good version of him, but I can't say I dont feel some resentment to the figure for being the only transformer I fail to transform.
I would definitely say this is a mixed bag. Good thing I only care about robot modes tbh
Maybe get a parts separater. They are REALLY in there though.
I can get why you'd feel that way about this.
If you fold piece of tape in between the panels that are used to lock the arms in place and the thing they attach to. If you do that, you'll have it tightened, which will remedy the problem. You might have to experiment with how much tape is needed though, as too little will not do much and too much will keep it from staying in.
I really love this mold. I got the 86 version for deluxe price. So very good. I put all of the accessories except for the sword in storage because he came with unnecessary stuff.
I found this guy in a second hand collector store unopened for only like $35, and I'm so glad I did. I'm kinda expecting them to rerelease it in SS86, but I'm happy with mine
Weird that it was more than normal price but glad you still wound up enjoying it.
I must have got a good copy, since none of the joints are loose and everything locks securely. Also they car doesn't banana, though it might as well be scratching something because the wheels are too damn smooth
Man how did they mess up mine so bad.
This and apeface were the first siege figures I've gotten and it definitely left a bad taste in my mouth
God that was bad luck. Sorry to hear that.
IDW/Roche Springer has the ultimate, dynamic action hero silhouette. This guy looks dumpier/stockier by comparison.
I don't know that I'd call it the Ultimate hero silhouette. It's cool, but I don't think it looks particularly more heroic than most hero designs.
I really like this springer but i do agree with the issues. I usually put the t30 springer sword on him because that sword is amazing! You also can combine the two guns on top of the helicoptor rotating thingy to make another sword. AND I HATE THE STUPID GREEN PANELS, they can just go in the trash but no, I have to keep them because it fills a gap. I just take them off all together when im transforming this thing.
Like why do those pieces even exist, they could have just designed the chest to have no gap.
And yes the T30 is way better.
Side Note: The combined gun mode has the two guns pegging into the top port of the rotor. This presses on the pin of the rotor and makes it less floppy.
Interesting. I never would have considered that.
I must have won the QC lottery, multiple times over. Very few of my figures, from Siege 'til now, have had issues (the biggest QC issue I have, with a different figure, is a legitimate improvement -- a wrong head/ face, somehow in the correct colors, but it fits the character better). My Springer is tight. It actually requires a bit of force to start transforming his shins. Even with fairly tight knees, holding the shins (outside of the legs) & trying to bend the legs only bends the knees. Thighs are slightly too tight, but not concerningly so. Even my Tracks's legs mostly support him, just fine. Easily knocked out of alignment, if I touch his legs wrong, but even big trucks rattling everything on shelves, when they pass, don't knock him over.
For the propeller core, I have it on his arm, using one of the stationary side pegs, like a forearm-mounted launcher (top parallel to the arm). There's just enough detail, it doesn't not look like a weapon, from some angles. I forget what I do with it in car mode.
I also gave him the pair of Autobot Micromasters that combine into a missile launcher (the set with a tank), but he holds it underslung, so the faces are on the bottom. A big Wrecker seemed the best to wield them.
The sword problem was unavoidable. It's simple physics. Long things being held on one end will always feel easily removable, without an annoying locking mechanism, because touching the other end leverages it off the tab. The only solutions were either move the slot up onto the blade, so they stick up over his shoulders; make the tab longer, & risk it snapping, like with Cheetor; or have unsightly, posts/ peg holes on the swords. If you carefully touch near the tab, unless you have horrid QC, you can feel there's actually a good amount of friction.
As to the arms, it took me into Earthrise, I think, before I figured out the backpack. I found positioning the arms first, & then tabbing in the backpack makes everything, on mine, very secure (pain to line up, until you learn the angles the armatures need to be at). I really don't like the cockpit section being transparent plastic & being a necessary locking point, especially with how everything was flexing, the way I was doing it before. So, when I finally figured out the order & positioning for it, & saw it doesn't seem to stress anything, I was rather happy & relieved.
Agree the transformations can be cumbersom, at times. And getting the top of the car to hold together is questionable, at best.
Oh, & the gap fillers on the sides of the chest never gave me problems, & I didn't even know they could pop off. Yeah, getting the arms into position in car mode is a chore, but I don't think removing the panels would help me.
I still think FansProject's Warbot Defender is the best looking (for CHUG-scale) Springer, in all modes, though it's not accurate. Unfortunately, mine's knees gave out, after a while, so he can't stand, anymore. Some kind of ratcheting engineering ground down, leaving dust, until the friction was gone. Transforming him is practically a form of Origami.
That's crazy to me, I've never heard of a Springer who had even 1 good knee let alone two, and feet on top of that.
I don't think that's necessarily true, like look at Grapple and Inferno, they have relatively long guns with pegs on the back, and they don't attach loosely, it takes real force to get them out. it just depends on how they are attached.
Like if the rectangular peg they attach to was cut horizontally it probably would have made all of the difference.
The transformation also isn't the most rewarding since you are switching between a car, and a Helicopter with the front half of a car.
I don't know that i can Agree with you about the Fansproject. It looks to me too much like an old UT figure.
@@PerspectiveEnd I was just transforming my Siege Springer, & trying to get the feet lined up for car mode, I got an extra click out of the waist (not sure which joint), somehow (wasn't intentional, but I think it always happens, during that step, for me), which lined up the wheels (with literally paper thin clearance), so the car can roll, without scratching up the belt buckle (mine has never lost any paint, not that he's in either vehicle mode, much). So, it is possible, it just takes extra finagling. I always find helicopter mode holds together better, even if it's more of a pain to get to. Though, tonight, for some reason, the roof of the car mode is actually securing in place. It's normally a tad loose. Must've finally found the proper orientation for everything.
For the propeller part's car mode storage, I plug it, with one of the thin tabs, into a slot in the legs. With the huge Micromaster rocket launcher on the roof, it looks like a support for it (from some angles; though, it's not actually touching it, unless it's backwards or angled upwards a bit). The pretending it's a mortar launcher, or whatever, is still viable, in a C.O.M.B.A.T. port, in that mode, too.
For lining up the arms, blind, for helicopter mode (though car mode isn't too different), I line up the tabs on the forearms (& the cutouts for the hinges -- noticed them immediately, when I was first transforming him), first, then finagle the fronts into place (though, pegging in the fronts first does work, if everything's already lined up). Requires getting both sides mostly into position, & squeezing both, together, until they peg in. Trying one side at a time can misalign the other side, given there's some wiggle, I think from the hips, until everything is pegged in. Last thing I do is secure the roof, because of that wiggle, which lines up perfectly, once the arms are in place.
As to Warbot Defender, aesthetic opinion is strictly subjective. Everyone always has their own tastes & preferences. Never did find Warbot Assaulter, which I did want. It's semi-resemblance to the SDF-1 intrigued me.
With Grapple & Inferno, as I stated (as a solution for Springer), they're using pegs, which have more surface area for friction, instead of thin tabs. Also, the swords are much longer (from tip to attachment point), providing more mechanical advantage to the lever action. And Springer's tabs couldn't be horizontal, without substantially thickening the blades. Not enough plastic, to prevent breakage.
I agree there isn't a lot of difference between the general shape of the altmodes, but that's his design. They do try, by shifting the front wheel sections a bit. That's part of why I prefer Defender. Both modes are substantially different, but still very much in line with Springer.
I like to Peg the helicopter rotor on its side and car mode almost as if it has some kind of a satellite or something on the top of it. It's a stretch but when it's just free moving it's annoying
I mean it's something to do with it, but it doesn't belong on that mode.
@@PerspectiveEnd yeah definitely my OCD just doesn't like having extra parts when I transform one of them. Always like putting something somewhere even if it doesn't belong
5:24 That edit is soo sick!!!
I'm not going to lie I absolutely LOVE this figure all the QC on mine is perfect. I know it's very commonly bad QC but I had a really good copy.
I'm glad to hear that, a few people so far have said theirs was perfect which shocks me cause I didn't think that was possible but it is good to know.
Couldn’t you attach the swords onto the helicopter modes rotor, and make a version of binobots shield?
Yes you can, but they are kind of in the way here, and they can't really hold still because of how well they spin.
@@PerspectiveEnd ah, ok did not think about that
I bought the Wrecker Springer and immediately regretted it after I bought. My siege Springer fell apart when I tried transforming him. I was able to transform the Wrecker Springer, but I am afraid to transformer him back to robot mode. The little green pieces kept falling off and the mushroom peg at the waist kept popping out. I agree with you though, I love the way her looks.
What green pieces keep falling off?
@@PerspectiveEnd The same ones that fell off for you the two green panels on the bottom front when he is in vehicle mode. They the torso also slips out at times.
"What has round ever done for me?"
Held cereal maybe? Uhhh soup? Coffee in mugs? Maybe uhhhhhh not be sharp? That's all I got off the top of my head.
Also the first comment ruined the comments being at 86.
Oh! oh! spoons!
Helmets
Pipes, pegs.
I don't know why that quote in the 1st comment made me go off on such a tangent. Anyway great vid I almost bought this thing actually but now I'm glad I didn't.
You are supposed to close the chest assembly with the panels over the struts place already more or less where they should go, not peg in the arm struts afterwards. The panels are there to help keep the struts in place and fill the sides of the chest, but forcing the hooks in after the chest is already in place is very much NOT the intended way to transform it.
I never had issues with the swords pegging too lightly and the feet aren't that loose, the transformation just requires to align things very carefully. Especially the waist strut is a bit hard to compress and align well, there is a point in which it sort of clicks and aligns into place and it's easy to miss because that click almost makes you feel like you are breaking the figure.
The roof then pegs in and secures the rest and it pegs in very tightly in my experience if you did everything else correctly.
The only real issue I have is that one of the shoulders pegs a bit too lightly in helicopter mode and even then it's not super easy to unpeg.
PS: I don't think I ever managed to pop off those side panels, but then again I never tried too hard to force the arm struts on them after I closed the chest the first time I trasformed it because I noticed almost right away that the hooks on the struts were a bit too deep for that.
I try to do that, it just doesn't want to go ever, and that still makes them superfluous and in the way.
Man I don't know how you can't have a problem with the swords, every time I pick that thing up off my shelves one of them fell off.
And perhaps yours has better qc at the feet, but mine can't hold a pose. Some times I'll get the ankles to be straight and then like a day later the figure will fall over, and the feet will be bent all the way down because they just slowly rotated till it fell.
I popped those side panels off 4 times while making this video, WITHOUT trying to peg the arms on, just while switching between modes, they hold on with spit and hope.
Got this guy a few days ago, my impressions are "well this is neat, but I can see the compromises made..." and I find it weird too how the helicopter rolls better than the car mode. Oddly enough my copy seems to not have the infamous stability issues with the knees and feet, guess I got lucky.
Glad to hear that at least some people can have a decent experience with the legs at base level.
And yeah, this thing just isn't inspiring.
Springer is awesome and his helicopter only accesorie I use it for Kingdom Dinobots tail shield so it can spin like in Beast Wars, I hope this helped find a new use for that almost useless piece.
Thats a cool use for that piece I never thought of.
I honestly regret having sold mine. Mine had loose ankles, the tabs that hold that one strut inside the shins refused to stay locked in, and I broke the huge tabs that hold the legs together in the vegetable modes on my second attempt to transform it. I guess I held most of those issues against the figure itself when it had been my fault for breaking it, and not using superglue to increase the joint friction. I was furious with it, and I’m hoping the wreckers version fixes those tolerance issues.
The Vegetable modes you say?
One would have to hope the Wreckers version fixes that, because if not it's going to be Ugly and Bad and at that point what's the point right?
I don't know that you can be blamed for not fixing a toy that shouldn't have needed to be fixed when you bought it.
@@PerspectiveEnd sorry, I meant to type “vehicle mode.” Probably shouldn’t have written that comment while I was still half asleep.
The issue in car mode with the waist can be fixed If you push in on the waist, this will cause it to snap into place and the car to become flat
I try that, it doesn't work. All that happens is the back of the altmode explodes like I said happens when ever you put any pressure on it.
@@PerspectiveEnddo it before you tab the back of the alt mode together, the joint holding the torso and backpack to the rest of the figure has a Detent in it that will snap into place when the joint is moved back far enough during the process of collapsing the waist into the area under the torso.
note how the joint is circular and then there is a pointed edge at the back of it? that's the Detent you need it to get past in order to snap it into place
I transformed it without using this detent to confirm that was the problem and it had the same issue you had when I did so.
Oh not to mention if the swords bend from being to warm in the box for so long that they will stay slightly bent
I did not know they do that as mine were fine, thank you for the warning.
@@PerspectiveEnd no problem, make sure they stay cool, and not in a box
I've been meaning to get this figure for a while now, cuz I like the character and I enjoyed his T30 figure, tho 8 years and an increase in more 'sophisticated' engineering later, and now that figure's looking a bit old hat today. Still a great figure, especially for its time
Yeah, I don't think the Engineering is more Sophisticated here. I think the old one was a lot smarter.
@@PerspectiveEnd Fair enough, that figure did have some good engineering. Like how the sword becomes the propellers for the helicopter mode
I loved this figure when I first bought it, nowadays I just like it for what it is but the legs and ankle joints kind of killed it for me. Especially when I animated it in my videos, so instead I ended up using the thrilling 30 version.
I can understand how frust4raiting the build would be if you were trying to animate it. Try tightening the joints, it made a world of difference for me.
I coildnt agree more with this review, the QC issues drove me to sell this thing because it was so unpleasant to handle his flaky bot mode and awkward transformations. That being said, I just picked up the Legacy version and the quality is noticeably improved. The shoulders stay put and the knees can actually support him while usually staying pegged in. Id recommend it if you can get it at a decent price!
When you say the legacy one, do you mean the wreckers edition?
I think this guy looks pretty cool, but I would definitely like it more if the green was a bit darker.
That would make this a bit more attractive.
I always forget about this figure. Not because it's bad, I think it's release in the time-line makes spring-ding fuzzy for me. It's just weird that he came out way before any of SS86 that I keep wondering when we're going to get a new springer. Idk he just feels out of place in siege.
Springding?
Yeah it's weird that he was so early in the whole cycle.
My copy has fine knees, also the rotor has pegs that can hold better the blades when they're in the backpack
The Rotor part actually shocks me.
The joints on mine are very tight and don't seem to pop out like that, I got lucky I feel. His transformation is fun for me but also complicated at the same time, sometimes I just don't wanna bother lol. This figure itself is extremely sentimental to me as it's one of the figures my mother got me, and is one of the last gifts I've received from her before her passing in January of this year. Seeing how the face was painted on this figure I always wondered why they went for a more animation-esque look over the rest of siege that had the metallic silver faces. I'm happy they kept the more pale opaque paint on it as it does go well with all the SS86 figs I have.
He's definitely a mixed bag for me too. Like, I both love and hate the engineering of his upper body. I mean, it's so damn clean in robot mode with very few gaps... But ugh, when you need to transform it! It's not forgiving in getting steps wrong.
And those legs are just... _internal screaming_
Also 100% agreement on the rubbishness of the swords being able to be stored anywhere!
I will never transform this thing for fun, cause it just isn't.
The legs bother me so much less now that I fixed them. Just a faint memory of EXTREME frustration.
Springer, apeface, snapdragon, tracks(yes, tracks, road rage not so much), galvatron and the beast wars , are the only figures in wfc that i like from this wfc line
Ok... Why Apeface? I mean he's not as bad as everyone says, but he is a little boring, and his plastic is ugly.
You should review thrilling 30 springer when you have the chance. Kinda insane how well he still holds up
I mean not in the posing department, but in the engineering for sure.
Was thinking of getting him but this made me help decide to stick with the t-30 Springer
I see the appeal of this thing, and I know the previous version has its fair share of problems, but honestly, I'm glad I stuck with the T30. I dunno, I've kind of grown to think of blocky Springer as just wrong. I agree he's not the "Han Solo" people claim him to be, but the T30 has more of that roguish look to his character without being too stylized.
Plus, barring my copy's hiccups, the transformation between modes just gets more out of me, mostly coz they look very different from each other.
The T30 is absolutely the better more fun figure.
I got space in my heart for both versions.
You can peg the rotor onto the forearm to create a ridiculous shield.
You can do that, like Megas's laser shield.
@@PerspectiveEnd It's fun. At least my swords bend in a way that looks like Huey rotors.
I saw your complaints about the qc and thought my springers qc would be hysterical. You see my springer dosent have weak knees or feet (left side is wayyy weaker though) but his fucking hips are the weak point so whenever I try To do a dynamic pose with him he’s like a flamenco dancer
Man that's so weird, I've never heard of one with weak hips so far.
After seeing Thrilling 30 Springer’s rotor sword I have a really hard time accepting this toy’s rotor piece just being an extra part on the side.
This spins WAY better than that, but yeah, it is a less complete concept.
Someone on TFW2005 was so angry about this figure and its Amazon redeco that he decided to try and start his own third party company and make a cartoon accurate baby bib Springer in this scale (which his idea of cartoon accurate is bootlegging a Fanstoys figure).
He's yet to mention said project again. TFW2005 is a scourge.
'bot mode looks good, and any of them are closer to his screen look, but I still prefer the Generations IDW Springer, especially the way his rotors transform into a sword, where Siege just pulls apart into two blades and a useless center thing. Maybe it's a squeegee for washing his cockpit windows? Except that cockpit is so small you need a q-tip instead. The only thing you could fit in there is buyer's regret! ;)
Siege Springer is genuinely one of my favorite figured, but the knees tab in so badly mine legitimately cannot stand up, I have to have it constantly leaning against Ultra Magnus on the shelf…
I'm glad you enjoy it despite that, though sorry it's such a problem.
There are ways to fix that.
I have no problems with the arms popping off, but one of the knees does have that exact problem, and I probably have the best copy in terms of QC of anyone I know. When I got mine back in early 2021 I was kind of considering getting a second copy because I was certain I just got a bad copy, but in hindsight I'm glad I didn't because it's extremely unlikely a second copy would have been better. It would probably have been worse.
Yeah, based on everything everyone else has told me, the odds of it getting better with a second copy would have been astronomical.
Mine for sone miraculous reason has no talon problem what so ever. He can even stand on one leg with ease.
I must have been very lucky because everything holds solidly.
My only nick pick is the backpack doesn’t really lock somewhere, but other than that he’s everything I expected and a little more.
Talon Problem?
I can't believe I didn't think to mention that the back pack doesn't lock in, it just kind of frictions up into place.
Magnetic power of friendship 💀
One of the least powerful Universal Forces.
Recently got Newage Mista (DOTM Soundwave) and even though the transformation was a bitch I love it and have made a display with some of my movie figures and it’s honestly my favorite thing I’ve ever made.
How did I not know Newage did movie figures. Do you have pics of this awesome display of yours?
I do but I don’t know where to send them, and yeah new age has made a movie soundwave but that’s it so far.
@@PerspectiveEnd do you have an email I can send it to or something? (I don’t have Twitter)
A proplem I have from siege springer, is that he’s a little too bulky for me,but overall I likes this figure,so I just hope hasbro fixed some issues on legacy springer, though I doubt it
Why is he too bulky?
@@PerspectiveEnd what I’m trying to say is that springer is little bit too bulky for my opinion, the issues are different
When you first got springer did you like it at first because in your siege retrospective, it seems like you thought it was an OK figure and now you hate it
It has lessened in my eyes over time. It pinched my fingers one too many times I suppose.
Got this last year on my bday (august 19th 2021 for context of date) so almost been a year and still one of the best figures ive gotten
I'm glad you enjoy it more than I do.
Hadn't planned to buy it, but found on sale for 20$ and like why not. Transformed it once, never touched it again since. But he looks pretty good, i guess.
My swords actually holds relatively well on his back.
Yeah, thi is one of those figures that I look at and think. "Not today" when I consider transforming it.
His arms going into helicopter mode are very frustrating, you need to tab the forearm into the legs, and then squeeze the shoulders HARD into the chest area. More than I like to do and not think I’m breaking the thing.
Yeah, I know what you are talking about. He's a bit irritating, and it does not excite me that the next one of him will be a retool of this.
@@PerspectiveEnd I sprung for the Amazon wrecker version, they still had a few in stock, that version appears to have the same head plastics as the one they shown in the stream. And unless you really want the extra accessories I really don’t see how it’s worth the extra $ when the figures alt modes themselves, although not a terrible rendition, as you pointed out are not screen accurate, especially when they went way above and beyond with the Ultra Magnus who was the 3-4th version of his character in mainline within just a few years for the 86 line.
I’m content with Thrilling 30. It is not perfect, but it is enough of what I want that Siege Springer never peaked my radar. I know he isn’t for everyone just that it is enough for me.
The T30 is way cooler yeah.
Great review PerspectiveEnd!!!! I have my own conspiracy theory that Hasbro and Takara Tomy are intentionally making the alt modes horrible, since most copies of these Transformers will end up on the shelves of collectors "permanently" transformed into robot mode, and Siege Springer is one figure that supports this conspiracy theory, another figure which made me think of this conspiracy is Kingdom Ultra Magnus. :P Keep on being amazing.
Well I don't think the altmode is terrible, not accurate, but I like the look of it, just not the transformations.
@@PerspectiveEnd I agree the transformations for Springer are not the best.
I lost one of my siege springer’s swords to I gave the other one to Hotrod as a mini sword of primus and I used Lego swords for springer *the big ones usually gold* and they’re square at the end so they look more screen accurate when painted
I feel like these are a lot longer than the Sword of Primus.
Lego swords?
@@PerspectiveEnd yeah i put half pins on them so they'd fit into the 5mm ports in Springer's hands and rotor piece
Thankfully mine had some better qc. What I like to do with the swords is just give them to a rid vehicon which actually has sword wielding wrists
Yeah but then he doesn't have them so how make heliobopter?
@@PerspectiveEnd Id still have the sword if I ever needed the heliobopter mode. Its not like I would transform him often so its not inconvienient. As a bonus I get a cool vehicon sword.
1:08 There’s an irony somewhere in that sentence
Where's the Irony in me liking square?
@@PerspectiveEnd Have you ever wonder why people in the 80s used to call nerds a square?
I think might get for the Shelf.
That's the way it works best, in a display.
Hey Perspective did you ever picked up the Planet X PxC04-Caucus Grimlock, an if you did are you going to review it with all your Grimlock's in the 10,000 subscriber special.
I like it more than you! Sounds like you have more issues with the transformation than I do too though so 🤷. I feel this is prolly the best mainline figure we will be getting for g1 Springer. And I'm ok with that, I like it just fine, I don't mind the battledmg even but it would have been nice to get one without it. Because I like the mold I'm getting the comic/toy wrecker logo springer when it finally comes out. I really hope they put out a new Thunderclash I mean he was teased in the comic where they was showing off all the new molds for legacy so why not right!? Anywho, great vid as usual 👌👏👍
Quite Possibly it will be, but who knows, maybe they upgrade him like 86 Arcee.
I would not be surprised to see them do a Thunderclash.
Your fixing siege was great
I like the way generations springer handled the rotor/sword.
The only thing that bothers me with every springer is the need to parts form the blades with every iteration. I get that it becomes his sword, but couldn't a company figure out a way to make the partsforming optional?
It would be cool if they could do that yes, I can understand why it's hard though. Long and thin parts are hard to engineer in.
And yes the Generations handled it better.