The Real Online Tekken Tierlist (Compiled From Online Win-Loss Data)
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Check the data here: docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1prPxBrvPPZd4jhiR0Zr3i5c-7HbqvY98Ud9imtSfGOw/edit#gid=2027289539
DO NOTE that this does not take a lot of variables into account. It bakes all player levels into one (beginner-intermediate-high-pro). It does not go back to Original release.
Some characters are played way more than others.
At last, mate! Glad you realized that tiers should be done not by Pros and individuals, but based on statistics. BUT! But there's one more step - split those tiers based on ranks - now that's seems like a job for a Superman! (c). But really. E.g. Lei on lower ranks/lower experience in game is a monster that can f**k you up 10 matches in a row, but damn f*cking brainheater if you play him on higher ranks when people know his cheese and weknesses (ha-ha, punishable lows SNK4... who would knew).
While Steve, on the other hand, is very weak for begginers due to unorthodox controls and execution barrier, while being M-M-M-Monster! on mid and high lvl.
P.S.Just for the record, I'm playing both of those and some more - so it's not a whine about "Buff my main, nerf my nemesis". Just some experience from someone who came into "serious" Tekken only in T7.
But as I said Eddie is bad at both ends as I have told you in the past
I played eddy Jin hwoarang but my rank order is the opposite order
yeaah... the run you gave Gigas probably explains why he is so high in tiers. You must have been the only one who has played him extensively. So you boosted his stats up and the stats only reflect you playing Gigas for many hours in the last weeks. XD
The Most characters are from 2015 the top is all DLC except for Kuma dumbass
What I can extrapolate from this data is people are watching our 2 hour guides, going online, and dying horribly 👍
It's only an hour if you watch them on 2x speed.
As a Kaz main I feel ashamed
Yes I've done this with pretty much every single one of them
As a Yoshi player, I'm in this comment and I don't like it.
I think I may have spent over 6+hrs just watching the guide
That Blasted Salami your Armor King guide was a big help for me, haven’t played online much though hahahaha
If I never bought Tekken 7, Devil Jin would probably be in A tier
I see what you did there. Well played.
Nah maybe C tier. I'm also contributing pretty hard :) Trash DJ mains rise up!
@@ewanphilip5604 hello , thrash dvj warrior main here.
source for your avatar? for science, of course.
Yeah unfortunately I may have contributed to this a bit as well
"Law players doing terribly"
Their internet connection has probably dropped mid match
Law isnt as easy as ppl would like to think but yall will mindlessly shit on him regardless. non existent in high lvl play and loses in beginer- mid lvl play/ all the evidence but nerf law ay
@@Vxneji he talking about the internet connection, not the actual difficulty
@@Vxneji How slow are you
MainMan is one of the only Tekken content creators that takes into account that 99% of the player base isn't EVO ready
Thats because they just bought the game to play not to be a pro player
Josie is so low because everyone plays her one handed
She utilises those titty physics to the fullest potential.
ah i see...
Facts.
Yeah too easy to play. Please nerf
Mychael Jones yeah you may have missed the joke...
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2020: TheMainBrofessor: "Good morning class, open page 50 in the Tekken 7 Bible, today we discuss online ranks phenomenon in Season 3 semester" (Tekken God Prime)
I wanna study Tekkology
this is true progression/evolution/super sayian form/call it what you want
People in the chat were joking about this being a green rank tier list, but it's true to some extent. The average player is green so therefore the average winrate mostly represents these players.
Seems pretty accurate for a green rank tier list, but I'm really surprised to see Noctis so low.
@@BorkBigFrighten2 probably because Noctis is DLC lol
ORA
@@BorkBigFrighten2 MAN IFUCKING HATE THAT SON OF A BITCH ESPECIALLY WHEN I JUST STARTED PLAYING TEKKEN AT THE TIME. NO WONDER KNEE HATES HIM.
Dude I'm blue ranks with josie, I always got wreck by ganryus cuz I dont even bought him yet, I can't lab him. The struggle is real kkkkkkkkkk
When MainMan makes a 40 minute video for the sole purpose to justify his previous match against Claudio
Trueee lmao
Yes, an intire video just to justify he's match against claudio. Sounds true *irony*
I love all these jokes that jab at TMM, in a good way. XD
@@davipenha I think you need to learn English before trying to roast someone or whatever you are trying to do
Yes I am not good at english
"I know hopkicks are awesome, because i have none" - Bryan 2020
😂😢😧😤
Bruh bryan has an orbital
@@Light311 as a Bryan player I'd rather have a hop kick ijs
uf(double tap) +4
Funny how your name is Claudio
Paul's only so low because I run into the same one every time and beat him 9/10 times
Love how all the characters in D tier require an immense amount of labbing in practice mode to even be sub-par with them.
You need to put as much work into Jin as an actual anime protagonist
Jonathan Zirkle *laughs in Lee*
Also very popular characters too
I also think everyone from King down has somewhat to do with how much Tournament play they get. Literally everyone knows the match up. Every single person past blue ranks has labbed out Xiaoyu at some point. Even I know the throw breaks for King. Everyone knows Steeve's weakness in lows and how he fishes for counter hits (which is harder online because of lag.
@@rrteppo True. The problem is, a lot of Leis and Yoshis and Xiaoyus don't really know how to utilize most of their moves. You can't just spam snake edge or launch punishable moves with some crushing properties your way to the top. Even green ranks know what the most punishable moves are.
Damn. As a Steve main i always thought the reason i was loosing so much online was because i just wasn't that good at Tekken. People playing Bears, Gigas and Lars always said that Steve was top 5 ez and their characters where much lower on the "tier list".
But i never thought i suck so much that i brought Steve down to bottom 3 online worldwide until i saw this list D:
Don’t get it mixed up you still suck with Steve (just like myself) but you’re fighting and uphill battle versus most of the cast online
Bro imo steve is one of the hardest character of the cast so just keep on labin find lobby to train with stronger ppl that's what i always do before goin in the wild jungle of ranked....
@@bobo_gemini3008 I was mostly joking with this post. I am aware that Steve is pretty difficult in 3bar ranked so i do try and play with stronger players relentlessly. I get my ass beat most of the time, but i figure if i want to git guud at the game, then i have to get my ass beat 80% of the time.
@@2000Doriyas Online, yes.
But once i get uber internet with only 5bars. Then we'l see whos laughing, Anna mains >:)
JohanGasMask *losing*
I’m glad someone brought this up because down here in the low level all the top tier character are super easy to beat..... this list is the most accurate I seen
I think people are just trying to utilize tier lists and tourney players to pick their character without really trying to learn the game
Finally Gigas is somewhat in the high tier perspective lol
Maybe those Japanese Gigas players were ahead of the curve lol
Keep in mind bad characters will mostly be played by loyalists who take the time to learn the character. Meanwhile some other popular strong characters attract scrub players who will lose a lot before switching to other characters.
@@hugoguerreiro1078 yeah its so weird. i'm a scrub player that play popular characters and will lose a lot. but when i play a low tier character like Gigas, suddenly i'm not scrubs anymore. i win a lot more matches with Gigas compare to when i used high tier character like Leroy. so weird that i'm only a better player when i use weak characters, if i use strong character my skill suddenly drop. because of this , i'm now a Gigas main. i have won so many matches with Gigas lol
@@hugoguerreiro1078 Honestly, that probably has very little to do with online win-rates. Gigas players benefit significantly from character ignorance in the general online population. Everyone and their Grandma understands how to deal with a Mishima or a King but nobody labs Gigas. To someone who hasn't looked into the character closely, Gigas can seem pretty unconventional and oppressive.
The same applies to characters like Anna and Chloe.
@@crysack8513 I'm not saying matchup knowledge isn't a factor, but you can't explain everything with that. This might be why TMM is so surprised by some of these winrates. Obviously player skill is a big factor, and when you have characters like Paul that are huge scrub magnets it reflects on their winrate.
It was the same with LoL winrates back when I still played it, it was very common for really good and easy champions to have a bad winrate at low ranks simply because most people playing them were meta sheep following the latest trend without actually taking the time to learn the character. Then again it was a lot easier to see this on that game because you could break down winrates by matchup and by rank.
Yoshi Mains: Last again huh.... oh well, back to trolling.
( Hoping to become S tier one day. )
Lol naw then all trash scrubs would spam him out like they already try to do but i serve they ass every time lmfao
feels bad man :') the thing is, while he has good mixups in KIN and DRG, you always need to go into a stance to do that. so your timing and spacing needs to be good. that's why you can't cheese that easily with yoshi
Trust me, you don't want a character like Yoshi to be S tier
@@BindingOfMe A troll can dream can't he?
i like it im loving yoshi right now and theres like no chance they will nerf him
6:49 When a russian imitates an italian.
37:06
Kazuya: *D-Tier
TMM: "Look at how they've massacred my boy "
What a surprise he put his main in a low tier :^)
He didnt
Its a compiled statistics. He's commenting on stats. So stfu
@@THENAMEISQUICKMAN this is a winrate tierlist. He is just commeting the data
He loves to over exaggerate the difficulty of Mishimas lol
@@justbacksway9964 that's because they ARE difficult
Jin is a precision character, very hard to play online special with that netcode, playing against him online and offline are like night and day
DamageXcaling do people not use practice mode?
@@Abdirahman_Mohamed That input delay option in practice mode is the most useless thing they ever added to the games.
This is the main tierlist that matters
Hey long time
SpiritualOpportunism bye bye too early
Not in evo japan, why weren't people saying that then?
Evo Japan is offline high tier - pro play, the exact opposite environment of this tier list
A lot of the characters that placed low either require high execution or have a very complex gameplan. The easier, simpler characters simply do better online. Even characters like Asuka or even Josie are very CH based characters. This list makes a lot of sense.
Feng: *looks to his right at Akuma* “ First time here?”
And Akuma looks away saying "Don't talk to me, i hate it already"
Spoiler: leeroy
True name: Le Shit.
@Embodiment of destruction nice bait
@Embodiment of destruction thats not even racist
@@rakan_mdr2699 everything is racist these day according to these kids.
@Embodiment of destruction Racist!
Against gimmick awkward characters, hours of training mode will not help. You will only learn through long sets against them, which is impossible because these mofos always think theyre hot shit and always one and done / win quit or they leave right after theyre gimmick gets figured out.
Characters like Eddy, Yoshi, Bear, Alisa etc will always destroy you then leave before you have time to figure out the matchup and learn something
its same for everyone, been maining yoshi long time and most of the time get one game no matter if its win or lose.. takes forever to get any ranks because you are constantly in loading screen.
I play eddy and I always rematch no matter if I win or lose. I love to run long sets against people and have them learn the matchup and have to adapt to win. Very fun
@@PoloFlo.. I hope u have a great day u hero
Ahh, there's my Steve.. ouch. I was already wondering how so many of my friends are ranking up like crazy with their characters and then there's me with Steve. It's such a struggle lol
I can relate so much to thisd. While playing and winning mostly offline Vs matches I can't even go to online mode and try with Steve. I'm constantly getting bodied by Bobs and Ninas and their stupid mixups. But as a character loyalist, I'm not gonna give up that easily
Even though I still suck badly with him Steve was fun to play before I switched to leo
@@someawkwardname7510 same here, I like Steve too much to give up on him. We have to keep going! 😤
Kudos to you all for sticking with Steve, he is great character yet hard to grab the concept of and of how to utilise his moveset to force a panic move or whiff
@@someawkwardname7510 steve relies heavenly on your basics and fundementals. Lab alot of stuff that you dont understand and that way you will get true the ranks.
It is not a big surprise that the most used characters are the ones with low winrates, and the ones with near 0 are at top.
But poor Yoshi, he is at the bottom of all lists. #BuffYoshi
He Need buff that will not affect high tier
Tekken 7 yoshi trash af
It's because Yoshi players have no defense, they just party.
@@chillskid that's the idea of playing Yoshi my boy. Just go crazy even if you die. Laughs guaranteed.
It's because the people that play yoshi have no creativity or any knowledge of what hes capable of my man has 178 moves
I really like that MainMan never has background Music on these type of videos so i can play my own.
The more popular a character is the more people know the matchup, This is why characters like Law, King and Asuka have lower winrates as the opponent nearly always know the matchup.
Me: "Ok its 3am time to sleep"
TMM: Uploads a new video
Me: "Aight I will sleep 40 minutes later"
He uploaded more than just this lol
Ringo Nee Sleeping is for scrubs.
Me a claudio main when TMM started ranting about hopkicks: 😳🤐
Magari fosse così forte come dice...
mainmanswhole kazuya gameplan is repeat the same bullshit 50/50s. Did u see him play jin? u/f 4,u/f 4,u/f 4. He is the worlds biggest hypocrite
@@seanblack5789 People who want to win will always use the strongest tools whether they like the balance or design decisions behind it or not. He is not a hypocrite. He hates new hop kicks. Not really tekken hop kicks. You have to earn the kazuya mix up anyway due to his frame data.
@@draken812 oh complete and utter bullshit. Its completely hypocritical. Give katarina ,kazuyas movelist and he would say it is "cheap". Give kazuya ,katarinas movelist and all of a sudden its "execution".
And these days how many people use hitbox and modded controllers for perfect ewgf and wave dash instantly. ZERO execution. But every character i go must get nerfed. But please buff kaz,paul,drag,bryan every single time. Lol fuck off. Ive heard him cry bout anna,oh her 50/50s!!!
Um what bout kazuya 50/50s???? Mmmm???? Oh ,back to "execution" again. Lol fuck off
Sean Black u must be butthurt about getting hellsweeped 6 times in a row
A lot of the characters at the bottom are also some of the most popular characters where many less competent players pick up because they look good, are legacy characters or just generally seen as strong characters but in reality not easy to play.
The higher play rate also affects their win rate greatly since the chance of a lesser skilled player picking them up is higher as well.
Damn good point
Yep, adding to your point of legacy characters. More casuals will have only the base game and thus more casuals will only have access to the default list. It's only natural that they will lose to DLC characters that are more likely to be owned by more experienced players along with decreased matchup knowledge.
That's not going to affect the vast majority of the percentage. Very few new players stick with technical characters after losing many times. The real explanation is that the characters at the top are easier and have a lot more gimmicks. So the less dedicated fanbase flocks of those characters to get easy wins. That's the real answer.
@@manrightchea Yes, that's the main reason. Also online these easy characters have 0 execution required, so they still can do good combo even with 2-3 bars connection, but not for technical characters. This online tier list only surprise me is asuka and josie because I have played them and they are also very easy character to learn and no execution skills required too. I mean there are some other factors to this online tier list and we don't know. If namco can release the winrate for every ranks of any characters, by doing big data analysis I think we will have more accurate answer for the reality of tekken online play.
@@jkdman2007 Josie's WS2,1 and F1+2 do require a mini dash to be consistent otherwise it will drop against certain hitboxes. And other than that her lows aren't amazing. Yes D4 exists but against a component player it's fairly risky compared to the reward it does less damage than a jab Vs low parry launch. It's only +1 and Josie is very weak to SSR she needs +6/7 to be like a normal character who can spam df1s.
Xiayou is a quite hard character to learn...
She is also quite hard to fight
As a Yoshi-main i just skipped to the end to see my beloved tentacle man in action 😂 No surprise at all
Yoshi gang
Hella sad yoshi and both jins are my favourites
You have to factor in a few things: a lot of people play Jin, but that means a lot of low level players play him as well, so they lose a lot since he is very difficult too. Someone like Bob is not terribly popular but those who play him are on average better players. Same with Nina and Eliza, imo.
Claudio and Leroy are just paradigmatic characters that are easy to use and very strong all around. I think Leroy is basically broken still, considering his execution demands and damage potential. But Claudio particular has a small moveset and extremely effective tools, very good range, low execution. Anna has super mashable strings and mixups, as does Katarina. And Kuma/Panda are just, well confusing as all mighty Hell unless you've labbed them, and they have some nice poke easy punishing moves.
I agree but you're giving Bob way too little credit. He's a newbie player's wet dream. And this tier list shows that it works in low ranks.
The proof is right in his face and he still shows no respect for yoshi 😂
Stats facts most ppl that "try" to play yoshi lose alot
@@tatmanmyownbossdannydraco bcs its hard to play Yoshi... DUH
I feel like party mode yoshi is actually harder than an honest yoshi. I only got him to yellows by block punishing and poking with df1, whiff punishing with df2. In my hands he's the most honest character in the game haha
@@michaelm8529 but there are 40+ characters with better fundamental tools, playing him honest, is like playing with only 1 hand.
@@diam0ndben its seriously hard playing him dishonest too
I played Xiaoyu for season 1 and 2. Had my fun... On season 3 I started playing with Alisa and Zafina. My life became 200% easier
Alisa and zafina both have better movement and damage in general compared to xiaoyu. Who is a more evasive character.
@@Tsareena54i she's not that evasive anymore... Try it, it seems that even highs can hit her out of AOP lol. Well at least all mids do...
Yeah, Alisa is a total nightmare for me to play against. She's the worst match-up for me when I play with Kazumi. But I've gotten better at it. I'm more used to some of her gimmicks now.
@@LokiTheAnsuz oh yeah i forgot. They nerfed her AOP a bunch.
@ She's the least trouble for me as well. Not really a problem beating her.
Jin, powerful on paper, hard in practice.
Very few will ever get to that top level.
Basically this shit all boils down too
Its very easy to be bad with the characters on the bottom of the list.
Vs its harder to be good with the ones at the top.
Excluding the new characters for now
That was on point ^
I think Jin and Devil Jin are at the bottom because they are very popular among the new players
Everything about Xiaoyu is true. They have damaged her play style and now no one plays her in tournament.
What made her better in pro level play in previous games?
@@2000Doriyas xiaoyu was heavily buffed in previous seasons
Jordan Season 1 Xiaoyu was a beast. She could crush half of a characters move list and scamper out of most situations. The biggest hit to her was the shadow nerf of the hit boxes, where a lot more mids hit AoP, and the other characters’ buffs gave them hard counters to Ling’s play. Previous games, she was weak, but sneaky. You could dance around people and they couldn’t touch you, but you had to play long sets and do a lot of small damage combos. Now, they buffed her damage, making her better in S1, but they gutted her evasiveness and sneaky play in S2 and S3, effectively nerfing her entire playstyle. Now someone can’t just play defense and Ling has nothing.
@@TakaComics There are zero moves that hit ssr aop now that didn't in season 1. That was the real buff to Tekken 7 Xiaoyu. The 4 or 5 moves that can hit raw aop now don't really matter because they aren't good moves. They are moves used in combos.
But it isn't even right to say no one uses her in tournament. She still has a boat load of players especially in Japan as always while palyer like Knee never played her and were never going to. In season 1 console release she was already considered a riskier better suited for long sets than tournaments. It has nothing to do with balance changes.
@@BugLondon I'm sorry...but i agree with @Taka
Ling mixups are difficult to place. You have to use many different mix ups to win and it doesn’t help that she is one of the lowest damage output characters in the game.
A lot of 13 and 12f punishes shut ling down. She has a lot of mix ups with oki assuming she can launch you.
To answer the question...as an asuka player...after yellow ranks everybody knows the matchup against her...she also have the worst jab of the game, combo damages are damn low, most of her moves/strings are easily punishable when not launchable...maybe her general win rate is there because 1) too much people try to play her in a cheesy/offensive way (when she 100% a defensive char )
2) poeple who got destroyed by her try to pick her up to do the same...and just fail realising she's not that easy...
The Main Man, if the character "pretty much plays itself" why don't you show us your TGP asuka ???
Why is there a decent amount of dislikes for this video? This is an objective, indisputable tier list.
Main man has a lot of people that don’t like his opinions and or personality and they actively dislike or shit talk him on RUclips/Reddit
bEcAuSe He CaLlEd My ClAuDiO oUt AnD i HaTe HiM fOr It!1!1!1
I'm not a huge mainman fan myself but I enjoy his objective character discussions. Many of the points made are very insightful and should be heard by people looking to get better.
I think it's character loyalty and fanboyism more than anything. People don't like to hear negative things about their characters, even if they're true. Especially in a video like this that's based on real, objective statistical data.
I love how angry he sounds 😂
Notice how highest win-rate is almost completely dominated by DLC characters. And people say Tekken is not pay2win, lol.
You can only lab these characters by buying them. You need to lab characters to have a more comprehensive understanding of how they work and how to counter them. Frame data is also DLC, which is a crucial tool for higher level play. So...yeah. Important knowledge and tools are locked behind a paywall.
Or a bunch of tekken players a lazy brokeass bums
Rob Alexander fucking pay for it, you wanna work for free? Mow my lawn tomorrow idiot
@@bludika Would you still play online tekken if they introduced damage DLCs, where the more expensive version of the damage DLC you bought the more damage you do to your opponent? Like someone who bought 1000$ damage DLC will do 10x damage than someone who bought 100$ damage DLC, et.c. I just want to understand the principle of "pay for it anyway!" excuse.
@@oraora8214
1.) Most of the people who buy the DLC characters are already invested into the game (usually high skilled players), so they would obviously win more often with that DLC character than a beginner with a DLC character. This is basically what happens to characters like Jin and Yoshimitsu: beginners want to try them because they look appealing, and then they get destroyed in online matches against people with actual experience. This doesn't happen to, say, Ganryu and Zafina because, as TheMainManSWE said, mostly high skilled players play these characters.
2.) Obviously, people ~most of the time~ tend to struggle more against DLC characters because not as many people use them as the non-DLC. I've personally faced more or less 300 Kazuyas in game, so I have a pretty good grasp on his strings and punishes. But, I've only played against a Marduk once, and I got completely annihilated as Dragunov, a top tier character. That Marduk probably had a lot of experience against Dragunovs whereas I had no experience against Marduk, which caused me to get bodied. If I played against as many Marduks as Kazuyas, I would've most likely stood a chance against that Marduk.
Point of the matter is, DLC characters are not inherently overpowered. Sure, Leroy was insane, but he got nerfed heavily. The other DLC characters wouldn't, at the highest level, be able to beat the non-DLC characters.
LARS BEST MISHIMA FINALLY!
I just hopkicked everytime when I played Claudio xD
I don't care, Lars is still gona be my fav character
Vaaleste He puts all of the characters in B. Mean while I’m like, yeah alright let’s not talk about Lars whatever (sarcasm) :/ I love the anime power ranger
Lars be like:
*cries in being side stepped*
*cries in being launched from unsafe lows*
*cries in being slapped out of stances*
*cries in existing in tekken 7*
#bufflarsmore
I remember reading Fergus' list of who to play, and picking him because he was like the "Ryu" of Tekken.. And here he is sitting in the middle lol
Jokes aside though, I love the way he moves and, dear God, the silent entry and the dynamic entry look hella fancy in combos
@@DaveMate93 Exactly! And it's also evasive (Bonus points!)
This makes me feel a little good about myself that I can still win or at least be competitive with Steve. Hes always been my main since Tekken5, but goddamn is it work in Tekken 7. For first time players, I never recommend him when you first start playing
I did that on tag 2 with Steve & Bryan. Imagine how much I suffered.
man I can feel you so bad omg..😂
Well if eliza was actually viable and not an incomplete character you'd see her more often and people will learn the match-up.
Nah man, she shouldnt get buffs because low ranks cant fight her lol. Nah im just being extra
Maybe nerf her gimmicks and buff the fundamentals..
You can't have every character enough represented with so many characters
Pointed it in the chat, and I might as well do it over here as well.
This list is absolutely not a "Real Tekken Tier List". That is just not true. The reason for this is that 99.9% of the playerbase ends up stuck somewhere, with a 50% win rate. You may be a Genbu spamming Noctis or a struggling green rank Kazuya, this is reality. Keep also in mind that this is data only from season 3, thus anyone who climbed earlier than that will show that 50% "final" win rate.
Now then, why the differences ? The reason is the influx of new stuff.
The new characters, who you can see are at the top, are there specifically because seasoned players pick them at the lower rank they start in and bring them up to their other characters levels, resulting in an inflated win rate.
The new balance changes let people win/lose more in the short term until they find their new stuck point with the changed charaters.
Then finally the new players. I can't stress new hard enough here. They are people who did not yet start struggling ranking up. Basically scrubs, gifted or terrible alike.
So it shows us two thing and only those two things: the new one is how well a character is doing COMPARED TO HOW THEY DID IN SEASON 2. The second one is how well a character can carry a brand new player, basically how much doe they help their win rate, and for how long all in one. And keep in mind these two are not connected in the slightest, so even when looking at it this way, there is not much said here.
Hope this helps clear the wild misunderstanding happening here. This is not "beginner to intermediate" or "online" tier list TMM claims it is. it is only telling of the ranks fluctuation of characters in an already existing tier list of some sort, in absolute values, and new players experience with their characters of choice (in the earliest ranks only), all at once in varying degrees. Again, this is NOT an real online tier list.
Well said. Crazy because I mained asuka until Julia was released. Didn't feel right starting out as a savior so I created a new account and earned it. Just to get the experience. Definitely respect your post
@@tyn33nugget smurfer...
if it was, law would be higher along with josie and co
wouldn't that just be a common denominator that can be removed and still leave the standings relatively unchanged? Most of the character positions are not surprising.
Your comment does not match with my data. I have been stuck in red ranks for a long time yet my win/rate with my main is 48.6%.
Yeah this makes sense. In Season 1 I ranked 12 characters up to warrior and in season 2 I ranked up a different set of 12 characters to Genbu. I did this to get a better understanding of the game before I picked a set of main characters to focus on. Jin, Kazuya, King, Paul and Lei were by far the hardest to rank up with. Where as it was not easy but legit easier to rank up Nina, Kasumi, Gigas, Jack, Marduk, Dragunov and other characters. This of course was just my experience. In season 1 I picked a couple of mains and in season 2 I added a couple more.
Jin, Kazuya, King and Paul are all extremely popular characters(and Jin and Kazuya require more execution and movement skill in general) so I think most people know the match up. Making it harder to rank up. The reason I think Lei is so low is not to far from way Hwoarang is so low(I played Hwo to). Lei doesn't have any execution requirements really(outside of a good ha ha step) but because his move list is so massive(there are like 60 hidden moves and transitions not even in the movelist) it is hard to learn his depth. He has like 3-7 passive properties for more then half his stances(over 12 stances). So I think it is hard to branch out past his most popular moves and setups. And those are usually popular enough that people know how to deal with them. So it takes skill to get past that and his bad frames. It is just much easier to play another character. So I think that is a double edge sword of why he has a low pick rate but he doesn't get the benefits of it as well and he also had a low win rate. Unlike characters like Gigas, the bears or Eliza IMO.
nice essay bitch
Well the important thing to note here is matchup knowledge plays a huge part in all of this. A lot of uncommon and gimmick characters are near the top and characters that are hard to play or easy to lab against are near the bottom.
I agree with your points analyzing this data focusing on execution, gimmicks etc, the easy way to understand the surprises is related with popularity and how many really low level players try these charts out.
Great idea for a tier list! It'd be cool to see this again for 5.0.
Notice how well the images of Josie, M. Raven and Lee blend together
True! Should have timestamped it lol. Took me a while to find it
Disruptor 6 my my the kettle calling the pot black. You should’ve time stamped it after finding it.
I was expecting Law to be top tier for obvious reason lol
The online community thinks he's as strong as Lee, which is messed up. Law is very fast, throws bombs, and has one kick knockout power.
Vincent Miller idk where you get that info but no one even in tekken zaibatsu thought Lee was strong yet alone being as strong as Law which is common knowledge to be top tier in both low and high rank. The only reason he’s down there is because of the amount of beginners picking him up
@@jvo9696 I didn't say Lee was strong. We all know that fighter is trash, but Law has a lot of moves and beginners pick him up for a little bit not realizing how much skill it takes to master him.
Because you can fcking spam d3+4 with him
Claudio makes sense because that hop kick is straight up murder.
As a Yoshi main, I’m kind of surprised to see him last. Most people I fight don’t really know how to fight him.
People must be back-spinning their life away😂
When I started tekken I got like 4 Yoshis out of my 10 first games, Not really hard to beat but again I was using Claudio and spamming hopkick
Dlc characters are in the top because we can’t lab them if we don’t buy them... and That’s sucks
Lmao so true, and I have zero interest in any of the DLC characters so why TF would I buy them
Never in my life would I have thought I'd see Kuma in S
Honestly Dragunov does require skill to achieve great results. Everyone likes to consider him brain dead. Yet when people try to cheese their way with the character they often end up struggling after a few matches.
As a kid playing tekken 4 and tekken 5 at home i fell in love with yoshimitsu because he stood out the most( unblockables, healing, etc). Tekken 7 comes out, i buy it and of course decide to main yoshi. Let me tell you, it was one of the hardest gaming challenges not just to rank up, but just try to understand his gameplan and in general how to be effective with him. 3 years of playing exclusively yoshi and only recently i've started to really understand the way you have to play him and what he's capable of. And thats an experience you only get in tekken, such a wonderful game.
World needs more people like you!
I want one like this for Soul Calibur 6
I bet Yoshi is at the bottom of that too!
@@manjininja76 nah
@@manjininja76 Astaroth would be at the bottom, he has to make very hard reads consistently
and has poor approach game,
@@Bluzlbee uhhh you're wrong about everything you just said
@@EPIKGamess uh, you're wrong infinite
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i genuinely appreciate how u try to make beginners feel welcomed and even make videos like this basically specifically for begginers and intermediate players :)
As a Hwoarang main, I am not surprised he is where he is.
Yeah, d3,4 spam works against bad players, but beyond green ranks, Hwoarang really struggles. You can't just ff+4 and Backlash forever, you really have to put a lot of thought into how you will start momentum, and what tool in your massive arsenal is best right now.
A predictable Hwoarang is so easy to beat, so you _need_ to be creative and quick on your feet (no pun intended)
I feel like I was personally attacked in this video
Kazuya has the highest amount of TGPs right after (mostly pre-nerf) Leroy...
Damn, Kazuya is such an online char.
If Yoshi players cared about winning they'd be higher, but then again if they cared about winning they probably wouldn't be playing Yoshi.
ok srsly zafina and leroy are just two different flavors of p2w. leroy just bulldozes everyone with sheer brute force and zafina does weird shit no one knows without labbing, and most won't lab cause you'd have to pay for her.
edit. upon reading my comment a second time i realised it sounds very butthurt lol. i doubt the differences in winnings are so great as to warrant very big outrage, which makes me wish tmm would have provided some numbers showing just how great the gaps are, or provided a link to _da data_ at least
edit again: there it is! the most lopsided match i could find with a quick glance was leroy v devil jim at 60-40. of course the data's not perfect but, i think that's pretty impressive. the most unbalanced matchup according to pure winrates is only a 6-4. then again, the single largest gap between any two character's winrates is between Leroy and number 2, so.
screw Zafina dude. Character relies on your opponent's lack of knowledge so you don't have to play them in a real game.
Found the scrubs
@@UndefeatableKing We're all scrubs till we do anything worthwhile dude
@@trezayngounder558 speak for yourself.
@@UndefeatableKing don't forget broke
I’ll be the one to take Yoshimitsu to top S-rank the moment I buy the Game
that anna's unseeable low launcher from full crouch is the bane of my existance
EDIT: Worth noting that the winrate spread between Leeroy and Yoshi is only 10%. Leeroy being at 56% and Yoshi at 46%.
There's a lot to analyze here. I'm not sure what kinda data is out there, but something like matches and players per character would be really useful metrics. We tend to think of high-level play as being the top 1% of players and mid-level play as probably 75% of the community (people who watch videos/streams or interact with others in some way outside of playing the game), but those high-level players have thousands of matches while beginners might have
Jin is my boi and I'll still use him even if I suck playing him
@Curse I'll drop it to the depths of hell if you keep sassing me boi!
@Curse lol I'm on my phone, you caught me at the right time
@Neoory LOLL
Awww man, why did you have to tell everyone that Lucky Chloe's hopkick is launch punishable, I reached red ranks with Chloe and no one ever launched me when I spammed hopkick, and now everyone is going to launch me because TMM revealed it 🤣🤣🤣
No, you can't launcher her hopkick when lucky players do back hopkick and up hopkick, only stupid df hopkick is launch punishable online.
TMM logic :
Bryan/heihaichi low :
Super fuckin HARD
Lei at same place :
He is so cheesy but no one plays him so that's why . wtf
Me: Why am i so bad?
Look's at the real tier list: 👀
As a Jin main I have wondered "does this characters have any world win rates over 50%?"
Looks like the answer is no
I'm not a main but I wondered the same thing while playing with him
Jin/devil jin main here and I'm actually quite surprised at the results
It's a fucking struggle bro. It's like every other character has some form of gimmicks to help them through low and intermediate play. Well Jin has like nothing, he's such an honest character and hard to play. It took me forever to get Genbu with Jin.
@@xXLEGENDXx31 i can't get out of green with him 😩
I've been a jin main since Tekken 6. He's stupidly hard to play but has unlimited potential
I like how the tier is mostly reversed in terms of how they're usually put in tier list because of all the noobs that pick the META characters but since all they know how to do is spam they still get their ass kicked by lower tier characters.
I remember when i started the game , i decided to play Kasumi , and i felt like a i needed a bullshit snake edge or any panic move.
This helped me so much because i focused on set ups and movement ,(fondamentals) and i developped my skill a lot focusing on that .
Now i can play any character pretty well because of my starting experience with kasumi . But it was really challenging to start with her , considering how fucked you get by flowcharts and panic moves when you are a begginner .
It's actually quite easy as Asuka to end up doing a load of slow or ineffective moves if you're trying to work her out without guidance. Used her after a random pick and just got slapped out of everything I tried to do.
카즈야, 진, 악마 진은 매우 강하다.
Ohhh, hello Knee, aneyonghaseyo! Big fan :)
Tell harada to let eyemusician balance yoshimitsu properly. Thank you :) haha
Can anyone translate?
TL: “Kazuya, Jin, and Devil Jin are very powerful.”
Im not used to see Chloe and Eliza so high.
And especially Gigas🤣
As a Chloe main, I don't speak like that😂, and to be honest she's alright in this Season.
As an Eliza main, I have to agree that winning the first match with her against anyone is easier. Every single match after that one relies on how many special moves I can pull to take them by surprise. Once I run out of flashy moves, it's almost impossible to win.
Recently had like 7 matches against an Asuka who couldn't do any string whatsoever, and by the 7th match I was already hanging on for dear life trying not to loose the 5th round. From 3/0 to 3/2.
@@miles3101 I mean Eliza has a really strong punish game. Her 10 frame punish is better than some characters 13 frame punish. Then she has a 15 Frame Low that turns into a mix up. Her biggest weakness would be incredibly high execution to do the things standard characters do with a button press.
Honestly Chloe is pretty good, she just only has mids for launchers. Which is fine because it makes for an interesting play style of fast lows and highs to make people want to duck into taking damage.
Now, this just prove these characters are gimmicky characters. These players are online players and often still complain the most about their characters everywhere in the comment section, but they are not tournament players at all.
Man of the people. Man of the Mishima
My favourite characters I like are Bob, Heihachi, Yoshimitsu, Panda and Akuma.
WE YOSHIMITSU MAIN CAN SAY:HAHA I KILLED U WITH BAD CHARACTER
The problem with Ling is that she is confusing to fight, but she’s also confusing to play. There’s responsibility on the opponent to know how to beat her, but she’s wildly unsafe because her stances have no defense, she can’t really break open turtles effectively, and the Ling player needs to react to situations and choose the one or two tools from her list of a billion that might work. She seems strong on paper, but in practice you really can’t flowchart, you can’t spam anything, and so every single move needs planning and calculated risk. She’s easier execution wise, except maybe for her iWR3, but gameplay wise she’s really complex and tricky to play.
@Derek Dunkward Data sure suggests otherwise.
Very excellent tier list based on big data. This is the real world.
I confirm that playing ranking with this nerfed Jin is real struggle. You get crushed, interrupted, defeated by Alisas mashing the buttons.
:-/
Master Raven is a very underrated and unique character indeed, but to do very good with her you need to play very risky, because many of her moves end in her back turn where she's very vulnerable, you need to be very versatile and unpredictable with her, I mainly use her because she resemble Naruto characters in her fighting style and because of her unorthodox approach, for me she's B+ and maximum A in the right hands of use in the Tier List, because she's the type of High Risk-High Reward character. ☯️
Looks like TMM's arguments on Lei a few months ago were proven wrong here. Interesting.
How Bizzare? Not at all. Most of lei i pick are so shit. All they do is sweep
I dont even know how to play the matchup, but everytime i go agaisnt it i win, only because they spam sweeps (i’m orange rank)
@@3101leonardo true
@@3101leonardo yea mist lei players don't even know how to play lei...
To think I was planning to main Jin online and do parry montages :'))
Claudio main here. Damn straight he is casual top tier. Super easy to play and few moves.
Showing this tierlist in a chart with another axis being popularity/pick rate would tell a completely different story. Consider that nobody labs anything. The more popular characters would be "labbed" more because they show up more often and has more bad players. If a character who is always at a disadvantage MU-knowledge wise still always comes out on top, that's the real top tier. Not having matchup knowledge doesn't excuse them, it reinforces why tierlists are a high-level thing.
A ton of the characters I run into constantly are very low on the list, all the mishimas are low because if you learn to deal with one hellsweep, you can deal with all of them.
Need to have no. of players against these characters and no. of matchs against the character as well.
Techinically I can only play 1 match online, win and have 100% win rate, so this is far from accurate.
Hwoarang seems really technical and deeper knowledge requirements to get good with, although when someone does get good with him it's hard to counter without labbing/knowing the game plan
Hwo is one of the easiest characters to counter if you know the match up. A down jab during his blender ends it. He has to throw out random launchers at a mid to long range distance to get anything going. His neutral game isn't that strong. He's cool to watch though
Worth noting that when considering a list like this, you have to factor in that some online players may not even be aware of how good/bad a move can be. D.Jins U4 is a good example.
6:49 on 1.5 speed is amazing xD
Lee feelsbadman but at least he is top tier in the most EXCERENT character tier list
You can't put Law with Lee. He should be at the top, but not a lot of good players can play this fighter with skill. A tournament character like Law at the bottom doesn't make sense.
Seeing Jin so low makes me happy that I’m playing a difficult character 😁
In ranked. When someone knows how to counter b3 with asuka. The asuka player is required to go defensive making her do much worse since alot of asuka players don't know what to do without b3. So low ladder asuka players get rekt
I always think a critical thing that top players fail to account for (but you do!) is that low level play is all about overwhelming your opponent with options they don't know how to counter. Players at low level aren't typically looking to poke out opponents or bait and punish, they just want to get in and hit you. I personally don't play a ton of Tekken, but it seems pretty constant throughout the FGC (and competive games in general) that theres a relatively large disconnect in terms of character perceptions between low level and top level play, since the most successful playstyles at each level are fundamentally different. Rushdown is a hell of a lot better against someone who doesn't know what they can do to punish (or how to even block consistently in T7), and ranged attacks can seem like something impossible to overcome for example. Really, really solid analysis.
try playing asuka to know the struggle