The Reason Why Smash is Poor

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  • Опубликовано: 13 дек 2024

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  • @EllieMiller510
    @EllieMiller510 2 года назад +1232

    The Smash scene is poor because they spend all their money on deodorant, soap, and other products vital to keeping proper hygiene!

    • @username-du2er
      @username-du2er 2 года назад +35

      true!

    • @sugomanuts8346
      @sugomanuts8346 2 года назад +64

      I know the joke about “smash players smell” but smash players legitimately have some of the cleanest teeth I’ve ever seen. Like unnaturally white teeth:

    • @Mintininja_SSB
      @Mintininja_SSB 2 года назад +56

      This meme is actually really good for local smash tournaments because no one wants to be THAT guy

    • @EllieMiller510
      @EllieMiller510 2 года назад +79

      @@Mintininja_SSB i think the meme does a small part in normalizing proper hygiene, which is always good

    • @sundayrkgk
      @sundayrkgk 2 года назад

      noice

  • @greenarrow1053
    @greenarrow1053 2 года назад +358

    To be fair the early registration fee for a competitor at CEO this year was $90 which in my case DID discourage me from going to my first big tournament. I live about a 5 hour drive away and the difference of that price was enough to get me to not go

    • @invertebrado
      @invertebrado 2 года назад +40

      But $90 is something, $20 is other.

    • @starforce_
      @starforce_ 2 года назад +4

      What would've been the max price you'd pay to go?

    • @greenarrow1053
      @greenarrow1053 2 года назад +10

      @@starforce_ $110 for late admission $95 for normal

    • @christopherhammond5142
      @christopherhammond5142 2 года назад +3

      @@greenarrow1053
      Eh? But it was less than that, I don't understand.

    • @greenarrow1053
      @greenarrow1053 2 года назад

      @@christopherhammond5142 maybe I’m mixing up tourney entry and the price of entering the venue? But yeah it definitely cost that much for me to be able to go

  • @haaa911
    @haaa911 2 года назад +117

    “All anyone could talk about after the tournament was hungrybox” that aged pretty well

    • @110.12dc
      @110.12dc 6 месяцев назад +1

      It just aged even better

  • @lizbethian
    @lizbethian 2 года назад +297

    You gotta feel bad for people who want to make a career off smash but don’t have enough charisma to stream. They’re never going to be able to follow their dreams.

    • @sethfortune230
      @sethfortune230 2 года назад +32

      they can get real jobs lmao

    • @invertebrado
      @invertebrado 2 года назад +103

      @@sethfortune230 have you not read the comment?

    • @hauntedbylight
      @hauntedbylight 2 года назад +21

      Charisma is learned. No excuses

    • @KieraQ0323
      @KieraQ0323 2 года назад +60

      Charisma is a skill that you have to cultivate, but there is such a thing as natural adeptitude, which makes it a lot harder for some people.

    • @Hebleh
      @Hebleh 2 года назад +49

      Dang this comment section is pretty unfriendly, didn't expect that-

  • @epicsause21
    @epicsause21 2 года назад +85

    14:21 That reminds me of an after school program I went to where they sometimes had smash bros brawl, and I remember there was this kid who would turn off items, FD only, ban Kirby (too powerful), and pause every time he got hit. He even got a counselor to enforce the no Kirby rule.

    • @ballisticboo7808
      @ballisticboo7808 2 года назад +62

      bro banned the wrong kirby character 💀

    • @LoraLoibu
      @LoraLoibu 2 года назад +14

      dude banned the wrong fuckin character lmfao

    • @lancifer_56709
      @lancifer_56709 Год назад +10

      Kid definitely got bullied. I don't know if before, during and/or after school, by he DEFINITELY got bullied.

    • @thenoseguy
      @thenoseguy 5 месяцев назад +2

      Lil bro was ASS

  • @BlackWat3rGTR
    @BlackWat3rGTR 2 года назад +15

    7:09
    "LICENSED by Nintendo"...
    Well, you were 😂😂😂😂😂

  • @kestrel7493
    @kestrel7493 2 года назад +39

    Aiden Calvin made a great video on the whole smash prize pool topic that goes over most parts of the issue, it's worth a watch for anyone interested

  • @DarkJake816
    @DarkJake816 2 года назад +45

    My personal issue with increasing the pot by $10 is that it only benefits top players. Why am I getting taxed for being bad?

    • @CheezedOut
      @CheezedOut Год назад +1

      Just be good :) (jk I'm probably worse)

    • @marzalynn9542
      @marzalynn9542 4 месяца назад

      To keep the scene more relevant in general

    • @SomniaCE
      @SomniaCE 3 месяца назад

      ​​@@marzalynn9542Relevant in what way? Dawg I'm here for community building and the hobby of playing Smash and competing. We have done that shit for decades without purely competing being a viable career path for the .01% of the playerbase and we'll do it for decades still.
      As someone who has competed and been apart of plenty of "poverty", communities over the years I can honestly say that top players are the least important part of any scene. Easily replaced and unless they also happen to be an organizer they provide the least tangible value to the scene. I'm not tryna charge everyone more money to attend events while most events barely even break even as is just so that Top 3 can potentially pay rent off the backs of everyone's elses work or funding.

  • @thuongn85
    @thuongn85 2 года назад +105

    I've stopped paying attention to The Score Esports a long time ago. They just didn't do a lot of fact checking at the time causing the stuff they said to be wrong or just straight up speculation that would lead to internet beef and were even asked by folks at times who were the subject of the topic or close to the scene to talk to them before throwing it out there as fact. It just felt like they were jumping at every juicy drama and had to talk about it for the views and people watching took what they said as fact when it was mostly speculation and rumors.

    • @sakyon6621
      @sakyon6621 2 года назад +4

      Well, they've always released some great "history" videos here and there, but the vast majority of them were blatant plagiarism (even though they always ignored the evidence)

    • @plonzz
      @plonzz 2 года назад +4

      Unfortunately when you're as big as the score esports making regular uploads a lot of videos just seem like cursory glances of a topic rather than an in-depth video essay.
      you have as much mileage reading Reddit posts about the topic than watching videos from them.

  • @Tojux_
    @Tojux_ 2 года назад +62

    Poor Nintendo, they’re probably only just scraping by with how poor Smash is 😔

  • @danlorett2184
    @danlorett2184 2 года назад +165

    It's pretty simple:
    1) the audience for melee is a demographic nightmare for advertisers. there's a TON of adults who actually have some money they might spend, but it's technically a kid's game so you have to keep things toned down. then you have to deal with the spergs.
    2) Nintendo hating melee comp is a HUGE wet blanket for any money coming into the scene. No big advertisers (I mean BIG advertisers like other esports get, Red Bull, Razer, etc) are going to risk sponsoring a tournament for a 20+ year old game that the company who owns the rights actually tries to take down the competitive scene. It's just too big of a risk for them, and the melee crowd hasn't proven a big money demo before.
    It's actually kind of ironic, because the FGC has been poverty FOREVER. Yeah Tekken/SF majors/EVO can pay out some money but most other events don't. But yeah, nobody's playing professional fighting games like it's a 9-5. If you're a FGC pro, you're in it because you love the game and the competition. It's not going to make almost anyone a millionaire. Streaming is a much more realistic option for that.

    • @mac_sour
      @mac_sour 2 года назад +5

      I thought red bull did sponsor smash players AND events? did something change in the past 2 years that i'm unaware of? papa johns is sponsoring us... we get big advertisers. there's an entirely different reason why we make no money, the problem is not the sponsors.

    • @JustLikeYou.
      @JustLikeYou. 2 года назад +1

      @@mac_sour a huge reason is advertisers. Just because a company sponsors the event doesn’t mean that they are throwing out a huge prize pool. I always just think it’s funny that anybody who plays a video game professionally thinks they should be able to live off of it lol

    • @mac_sour
      @mac_sour 2 года назад

      @@JustLikeYou. Everyone has their own theories and reasons why esports as a whole is not doing well. Me personally, I'm in the camp of one fact: esports is just not a good market atm. back in the early to mid 2010's when shit like MLG and G4 and other huge gaming content (tv channels, tournaments, even content creators) was when esports had a chance to really pop off. and yeah in the grand scheme of things esports is still pretty big, but the hype for it has certainly died down. just competitive games in general has been not necessarily dying, but imo, dwindling. i personally think it's because the market is shifting more towards a casual-competitive market. so games like sea of thieves, fall guys, etc. i think we'll be seeing similar games like these in the future. games that have a competitive aspect to it but have a casual randomness to it that always changes the rules. like fortnite, warzone, etc with overpowered vehicles that give you a distinct advantage over other players

    • @mac_sour
      @mac_sour 2 года назад

      @@JustLikeYou. but maybe you're right and maybe i'm right, there's certainly more than one reason why esports isn't where it could be in terms of its potential

    • @JustLikeYou.
      @JustLikeYou. 2 года назад +1

      @@mac_sour well in a vast vast majority of peoples opinion video games should be made to be casual. Make a balanced causal video game then let your community turn it into an esport. Once developers started making games with esports in mind the quality shifted drastically. Games aren’t made to be fun anymore they are made for esports and that ultimately ruins the games because if it flops as an esport then you won’t even have the causal side to keep your game alive

  • @randommaster06
    @randommaster06 2 года назад +25

    Here's a great solution: crowd-fund a bank heist that will provide to prize pool for the tournaments.
    There's definitely nothing that can go poorly with this plan.

  • @PythonicMethod
    @PythonicMethod 2 года назад +62

    The prize pool should be 4-for-1 split to make the prizes 4x as much. Everybody wins.

    • @mac_sour
      @mac_sour 2 года назад +3

      top 4 would be pointless then because once you hit top 4 you already won the most amount of money you can get from this tournament, which is one of the driving incentives to even participate in these for top players.
      and no, don't give me that "it's for the heart of the competition! to see who was the best!" bullshit. that is not an incentive, it's just a side effect of the effect that a monetary reward will earn you for being the top. the real top players care about the money, and taking the top prize away from first place loses the entire incentive of the competition in the first place.

    • @mac_sour
      @mac_sour 2 года назад +1

      good concept though. just doesn't work in practice.

    • @Vexal50
      @Vexal50 2 года назад +11

      @@mac_sour congrats at not getting the joke

    • @Jpeg_skeleton
      @Jpeg_skeleton 2 года назад

      @@Vexal50 what's the joke?

    • @HikaruOfTheWind
      @HikaruOfTheWind 2 года назад +1

      @@Jpeg_skeleton Coney's career as a stockbroker

  • @TheKnicks2012
    @TheKnicks2012 2 года назад +9

    Basically now you are entering tournaments to get your name recognized. It’s not about money. More for the clout and competition. Then once people know who you are or interested, then that’s when your streams, RUclips, and brand get more attention. This would then translate to a sponsorship where they make the travel fees and everything a non factor to simply go out and play. It’s a content driven system which can be extremely inconsistent.

  • @broelocklite3875
    @broelocklite3875 2 года назад +5

    as someone that’s deep in the ow scene, the bubble has already bursted lol, most teams sign players at or close to minimum which isn’t much

    • @broelocklite3875
      @broelocklite3875 2 года назад +1

      also the orgs that payed millions for their franchise spot have had those fees waived

  • @tyrelllowery2074
    @tyrelllowery2074 2 года назад +32

    10 bucks isn't usually a deal breaker, but for us poorer Smash players it definitely can be. The real answer there is "probably shouldn't be playing the game competitively if you can't afford to play the game competitively"

  • @renhope9092
    @renhope9092 2 года назад +90

    The issue is, and has always been, the "top-heaviness" of the prize payout. 1st place taking 50%+ of the pot might make the grand finals more exciting (and I don't even agree with this), but if you want players to be able to make a living as professional competitors, the pot needs to at least pay down to the top 8 enough to comp the trip/pay the players enough to approach an income.

    • @tymandude1510
      @tymandude1510 2 года назад +11

      This is an issue with any non-franchised leagues in esports. It's been a massive problem for Dota and still is a huge issue even with Valve actively trying to improve it.
      Dota 2 was and may still be the most top heavy esport in the world with TI making up by far the majority of the money a team will earn in that year even if they don't win. The standard first place prize is at TI since TI6 44% of the prize pool, if a team wins TI they can just retire if they wanted.
      The tournament format has its benefits in that it encourages players to try their best as most of their income comes from winning but I've become more partial to the league system in as time has gone on as I've seen players struggle hard under the tournament system and seen need blood struggle to develop and actually make their way into tier 1 play.

    • @jcdentoid
      @jcdentoid 3 месяца назад

      @@tymandude1510 Problem with running a regular franchised league is costs. The most successful esport that's done this is LoL, and its run at a large loss for the parent company(used as advertising for microtransactions). Conventional sports get way more sponsorships, get cuts from broadcasting companies, charge viewers subscriptions, regular ticket sales, merchandise, etc. Esports can't provide the kind of value at this time to be able to sustain a league. LoL has the problem that viewership has been declining as well, people don't really care much for the scene anymore. Many of the big sports took years to develop their leagues as well, basketball didn't form successful leagues until 1935, over 40 years after the sport was invented. Tournaments make more sense until a steady viewership can be formed and proven. Melee and CS appear to be the main esports with the greatest potential to form viable long term leagues(I doubt nintendo would want a Melee league as well). FGC might but it'd be a nightmare with all the different games they play.

  • @DeronHargrove
    @DeronHargrove 2 года назад +3

    It's wild Coney doesn't think a $10 increase is a deal breaker. If I'm going to the movies, if tickets were raised by $10, I'd be even less interested to go in. Now if I'm a competitor for Smash, don't know if I'll even get to top 8, AND have to pay more, that's most likely a deal breaker for me

  • @maplemusic52
    @maplemusic52 2 года назад +31

    I need an entire saga and video documentary for Coney's forays into stocks.
    Also Coney should fund smash melee by creating a stock broker company that goes off his stock picks. Think of the MILLIONS OF DOLLARS he could be putting into Hbox's hands.

  • @Dimonite314
    @Dimonite314 2 года назад +1

    4:33 - correction: Nintendo ignores Melee tournaments IF YOU'RE LUCKY. If they're not ignoring it, they're probably trying to shut it down.

  • @baseddragoon2008
    @baseddragoon2008 2 года назад +10

    I feel like there are just too many smash majors tbh. This may be a really bad hot take but the fact it feels like there is one a week during the summer is too much. Cause it'll just cause bad prizes too since you'll get some less stellar turnouts of top players. My 2 cents. Curious how many are in other games if it's this many

  • @Rintez1
    @Rintez1 2 года назад +9

    I will never get tired of coney yoinking atrioc's arm and pose for the thumbnail. It will always be funny.

    • @chriss4855
      @chriss4855 2 года назад

      don't forget the iconic blue shirt and beige hat

  • @zacharytyrone4144
    @zacharytyrone4144 2 года назад +4

    I think the idea of brawl and melee players hating eachother is really funny because for a couple years, they were all just going to tournaments to get shit on by the same bald guy

  • @ovengoats
    @ovengoats 2 года назад +2

    not really related but fun fact: the top NA splatoon 2 team has won 4 copies of Arms from 5 official nintendo tournies. they won 5 out of 5 tournies over several years and got 4 copies of arms and some gold points. official nintendo prizes are insane lmfao

  • @christianpr5
    @christianpr5 2 года назад +47

    For the people wondering on the "why is the 10usd increase is big deal". In tournaments with other fighting games other than the various smash games, it is common to have players join the multiple games per event. Those 10usd quickly add up. Lets say you join 5 games normally that would be 50usd but at 20 that would become 100usd. Now that a lot of games but a decent amount of people do that.

    • @baptisteruellan1204
      @baptisteruellan1204 2 года назад +5

      I get your point but with smash players, they usually only play smash games (and most of the time only enters either melee or ultimate)
      Yes smash as some side events like doubles that you can pay for in majors, but it's about the main event

    • @orb3796
      @orb3796 2 года назад +4

      @@baptisteruellan1204 I mean, if what you said was true people wouldn't be complaining about the $10 increase. OP is onto something.

    • @DemonBlanka
      @DemonBlanka Год назад +1

      3 games is a pretty normal amount of games to compete in, you jump from 30 bucks to 60 and break that 50 dollar mark that would put a lot of people off. If I go to an event I'll probably enter SF, KOF and Tekken, maybe if there's something goofy or like SF2 or VSav or yatagarasu something I know doubling entree fees would definitely stop me from entering into smaller games which hurts those games' communities, it's not just money, now there's less people playing the game.
      Upping entry fees only benefits the biggest games at the tournament and hurts the smaller ones.

  • @Slug_ssbm
    @Slug_ssbm 2 года назад +33

    Still crazy that arguably the most popular “fighting game” on the planet is the only pretty much the only one that doesn’t have dev support for its tournaments. Imagine how big the competitive Smash scene would be if Nintendo treated it the same way companies like Capcom and Bandai treat their game’s competitive scene.

    • @JustLikeYou.
      @JustLikeYou. 2 года назад +3

      Do capcom and bandi still sponsor their games from 21 years ago? Lmao I don’t understand why people think Nintendo is going to sponsor melee when their newest release is still popular but making them more money. They would probably lose money if they started to support melee as a huge esport

    • @Slug_ssbm
      @Slug_ssbm 2 года назад +7

      @@JustLikeYou. I was more referring to Ultimate.

    • @Horror1155
      @Horror1155 2 года назад +1

      @@JustLikeYou. they don’t support ultimate either so even if that’s true you have no point.

    • @passenger1209
      @passenger1209 2 года назад +5

      @@JustLikeYou. Dude, Capcom still supports the competitive scene for Street Fighter III: 3rd Strike, an old game from 1999 that became a cult classic-just like Melee, theres simply no excuse for why Nintendo ignores the competitive community

    • @passenger1209
      @passenger1209 2 года назад

      @Wind Rose Yeah, it feels like some people just want to defend the indefendable for no reason at all other than start an argument online. Maybe they just want attention

  • @Pig.._
    @Pig.._ 2 года назад +10

    The best argument that I've heard about increasing fees is that 5 or 10$ isn't going to make someone be able to live off smash. Would it be cool if people could play smash for a living? Hell ya, but tournaments were for fun not to make it your job.

    • @WrathofArchon
      @WrathofArchon 2 года назад +7

      yea I feel like people should realize that if you’re competing in smash competitively, you’re doing it for fun not because you wanna make money, if you want to make money playing a game become a RUclipsr or twitch streamer, or if you have that competitive drive go and learn league of legends or valorant

    • @alexknight81
      @alexknight81 2 года назад

      @@WrathofArchon what makes the distinction of smash compared to other fighting games for example, like why is smash specifically single out like that? Or is it just like fighting games in general?

    • @bumimub
      @bumimub 2 года назад

      @@alexknight81 nintendo is unique with their esports scene in that they antagonize it as much as possible and actively shut down some tournaments if they dont run everything to their standards. most other games that have huge competitive scenes cater to them with financial support and/or large tournaments, such as the Rocket League Championship Series (RLCS). nintendo took 20 years to host a real competitive event (the Panda Cup this year) and they haven’t really funded anything during that time. even now, the panda cup is the only thing they’re providing a prize for

    • @alexknight81
      @alexknight81 2 года назад

      @@bumimub has there been any updates on the panda cup ever since it was announced? I haven't heard a single thing about since then

    • @joplin4434
      @joplin4434 2 года назад

      @@alexknight81 it's about all of them. Brian F (great SF player) has videos about how the only way to live off of it is to make content in youtube and streams. Tournaments are for publicity

  • @Mintininja_SSB
    @Mintininja_SSB 2 года назад +6

    The thing about melee is that the game’s old! 21 years, it makes sense that the prize pool would be so small. Ultimate is a different conversation though

  • @greenoftreeblackofblue6625
    @greenoftreeblackofblue6625 2 года назад +5

    I think Hbox actually meant he was popping off for 75$ because it's huge. Like "Bro this is ridiculous. This is a insane amount of money!"

    • @professionalhater3929
      @professionalhater3929 2 года назад +3

      He was thinking damn 10 years ago this would be the grand prize money

  • @MorikawaMelodies
    @MorikawaMelodies 2 года назад +2

    Forget $10 more on top of travel/hotels/other fees, I can't even consistently afford the $10 for my local weekly. WAY too little money in the scene we all lose money here.

  • @SaltyBoiJohns
    @SaltyBoiJohns 2 года назад +1

    Local weeklies need to stay at the $5-$10 range with monthlies as high as $20, including venue fees... Majors can up that shit all they want so long as entry doesn't cost more than a night at a nearby hotel.

  • @Cheeseburger_mage
    @Cheeseburger_mage Год назад +3

    Saying "Licensed by Nintendo!" in regards to panda cup didn't age well lol

  • @DerkDurski
    @DerkDurski 2 года назад +1

    Hard agree with you at 14:00. I was so excited to see the Gimz stagelist, it seemed really fun.
    And then like 60% of the games were on PS2 anyways. From a spectator standpoint, it makes Ult tournaments really boring.

  • @uprightfoil348
    @uprightfoil348 2 года назад +1

    "I'M SETTING A F***ING ALARM" got me lmaooooo

  • @BenjiCakingPanda
    @BenjiCakingPanda 2 года назад +3

    ya know I'm not a melee player but I don't think raising the cost of entry of an over 200 man bracket/3 day event so 8 ppl who probably have a job or make way more on twitch streams can still not break even on the cost of going to the tournament will be helpful

  • @Boostertz
    @Boostertz 2 года назад +1

    One thing I don't like about this video is the extra fee, so when I entered in BoBC4, the fee to enter the tournament was $65, then another $15 to enter into Ultimate.

  • @Glorious_Mane
    @Glorious_Mane 2 года назад +28

    Problem: The community doesn't have enough money to support crowd funded prize pools.
    Proposed solution: Bleed an already poor community for every cent they're worth.
    Do we all see the issue here? The money has to come from somewhere. Who has the money in this community? Sponsors, and only sponsors. So the money needs to come from them, because they are the only people who have it.

    • @Danceofmasks
      @Danceofmasks 2 года назад +9

      The reason companies sponsor events, is for the audience of said events to see their ads and spend money on their products.
      If the community has no money, how are you going to convince sponsors to put up their money?

    • @fuckingidiot7428
      @fuckingidiot7428 2 года назад +3

      @@Danceofmasks also have to look into the PR aspect of it. Nintendo barely sponsors events, all the controversies surrounding players, and the age demographic being way older than the intended demographic makes it harder for the community to get more sponsorships

    • @lurryfgc3292
      @lurryfgc3292 2 года назад

      Think you’re missing what sponsors do, which is help keep the lights on at majors. These BIG events barely break even on how much they have to pay for bills/hosting. Sponsors help with that a LOT.

    • @leowolastname2250
      @leowolastname2250 2 года назад +1

      it's 10 dollars

  • @flippysbackyard
    @flippysbackyard 2 года назад +1

    My local major (CROWN) was 60 for entry as an early bird, over 100 if you registered late or somewhere around there. I’m not sure what major is a 10 dollar entry anyways.

  • @Bdewd
    @Bdewd 2 года назад +2

    Pretty sick that saskatchewan id having a $50k pot bonus ultimate tourney in November then. Biggest prize pool in Canada ever baby!

  • @parkerkrakowiak2990
    @parkerkrakowiak2990 2 года назад +1

    i 100% agree the money should go to the experience. which would you want, a dirty room with fold out chairs and huge prize payouts for 5 people out of 1000, or its all done for the bragging rights and its in a giant badass stadium? For me the answer is obvious

    • @parkerkrakowiak2990
      @parkerkrakowiak2990 2 года назад

      and the idea that the community would be sustained by the top handful of winners making some money once every few months is insane, and that is what people want, because we see the massive upset every time a random player wins over a known player

  • @laffy7204
    @laffy7204 2 года назад +1

    I find the idea of Tournaments giving top pro players money backwards
    A lot of the pro players become streamers with a sustainable income, some rich asf. It's the many mid to low level players that tend to struggle more
    If anything, the rich pro players should support the scene. Many of them just wouldn't be as successful streamers if it weren't for Smash
    Every pro player was once a low level player

  • @NolenJacobson
    @NolenJacobson 2 года назад +1

    Up here in Saskatchewan our largest e-sports org SKL has been doing an amazing job at securing sponsorships and pot bonuses for big tournaments by partnering with other events. Before the pandemic they partnered with Saskatoon EX, a large fair held annually in the city, to secure a $10000 pot bonus and they've partnered with the Grey Cup committee for an upcoming Smash Ultimate tournament in Regina called Path to Glory with a $50000 pot bonus. There's probably a lot of opportunities to raise the profile of Smash events in larger centers if Saskatchewan can do this.

  • @FearThePegasus
    @FearThePegasus 2 года назад +9

    Melee players should take up bank robbing.

  • @MrWwechampion333
    @MrWwechampion333 2 года назад +5

    if you get into any smash game for the money you’re out of your mind. i think some people don’t understand that it’s a hobby and the only way to guarantee any money is by being sponsored or making content. most people who play melee probably still have jobs outside of just playing melee

  • @SuperFang1
    @SuperFang1 2 года назад +1

    20:24
    Being a Brawl player was tough back then lol.

  • @boogie4552
    @boogie4552 2 года назад +4

    The gimvitational did leave me sad a bit tbh. I wanted to see so much WarioWare lol

  • @twin_rivers921
    @twin_rivers921 2 года назад +3

    Someone really needs to capture some sort of data set to hit the fine line of pot payout optimization vs entry fees whether it’s extrapolation of historic pot payouts or a questionnaire of how much people are willing to pay in (n=300-500).

  • @potatochipclips
    @potatochipclips 2 года назад +1

    That's one nice hand in the thumbnail it kinda reminds me of hotdogs. I wonder where I have seen it before, all I know is that they are "piano fingers".

  • @ventdra
    @ventdra 2 года назад +2

    who the HELL said overwatch players make a ton of money??? players quit the owl so fast because of how shit they were being paid, getting thrown on bench for no reason, the owl is a cash cow yeah but it's the shittiest ran league i've ever heard of. the COMPANIES that own the teams make a shit ton of money, only select players are actually paid what they deserve.

  • @C-mereSSBU
    @C-mereSSBU 2 года назад +2

    So this guy is basically saying the reason players shouldn't make more money from tournaments is because players are currently not making more money from tournaments.
    The reason something shouldn't change, is because it's still the same.
    Flawless logic.

  • @traestevens5257
    @traestevens5257 2 года назад +3

    Maybe top players expected to place higher pay higher entry fees, mid players with a slight price increase and low players pay the same

  • @otglol
    @otglol 2 года назад +10

    Why does coney have atrioc's arm in the thumbnail

    • @jessbcva
      @jessbcva 2 года назад +2

      It's clearly coney's arm, copium

    • @justhaku9240
      @justhaku9240 2 года назад +5

      You recognized atriocs ARM?! How?

    • @otglol
      @otglol 2 года назад

      @@justhaku9240 Atrioc uses that same exact thumbnail face for like 90% of his videos lmao

  • @RED_XLR
    @RED_XLR 2 года назад +3

    I think people around the world should be able to donate to the price pool weather they're competing, watching it live in person, or from home. So instead of forcing an entry fee $20 it can remain at $10 and allow the ones entering to "donate" if they so choose, and they can donate more than $10 if they're really ok with it.
    The thing that people always overlook is that even if some people are okay with giving an extra $10 as entry fee, that doesn't mean everyone will agree. Weather you're right or wrong, i personally think if you give people the option to do something they'll be more down to do it, because it's their choice. You can't tell me the price pools wouldn't be higher if viewers of the livestream could donate to the price pool. And everyone else chipping in is better than not. Better than being forced to pay an extra $10 as an entry fee. This way you get what you wanted which is a bigger price pool, and people still get to pay the regular price for entry fee. Done.

  • @deadriccow
    @deadriccow 2 года назад +2

    How dare Coney get a slurpee in a big gulp cup made for soda not the SLURPEE

  • @nigelthursday5052
    @nigelthursday5052 2 года назад +1

    hi, youtube commenter here. i think the best way to raise prize payouts in melee is to take all of the money in the pot and gamble it at the casino of whatever venue you’re at until you raise the pot tenfold

  • @sherwinceleste1707
    @sherwinceleste1707 2 года назад +1

    Well nintendo isn't making anymore money from melee and even ultimate so why would they spend for tournaments. Only live service games can have large prize pools since live service games earns money constantly by selling in game cosmetics. That's how brawlhalla can afford a million dollars tournament despite most people not hearing about the game. Live service model is the future if the smash players wants a thriving esports scene with enormous prize pools.

  • @DrumNDive93
    @DrumNDive93 2 года назад +1

    First off, I liked the video and agreed with a lot of your points, but the thing I want to harp on is the GME stock comments. I assume and hope you did some research or someone from chat had more for you, but as a fellow ape/investor, I want to just get out more info for you and others who might be in a similar situation.
    The 4-1 stock split means that for every share you have, you will get 4, yes. HOWEVER, the stock price also drops by a factor of 4 as well so your total equity is the same. If you had one share worth $120, on the day of the split, you will then get 4 shares and the price of the stock would be $30. You still own $120 worth of GME, but now (and this is usually why splits are amazing) the price per share is much much lower allowing more access for people to get in.
    This is also why I feel a lot of people flocked to AMC as well. It was cheaper and less of a financial burden to get at least 1 share compared to GME which was much higher. All in all, I am glad you held and I think you will definitely reap the rewards of holding in the future.

  • @kiptelgat
    @kiptelgat 2 года назад +1

    I'm that guy that used to complain and try to force people to play more competitive then I realized actions speak lauder than words, so I started cheesing them and watched them slowly ban certain items and stages that I bitched about. Worked almost every time.

  • @blankedout1862
    @blankedout1862 2 года назад +2

    I made more money caddying today as a junior caddy than hungrybox did by participating in that tournament

  • @charlottearanea7507
    @charlottearanea7507 2 года назад +1

    I think the "you already pay for travel and hotel" argument always overlooks that the local scene does a lot of filling out the numbers at a major, and those people are just paying for parking and registration. Doubling the entry fee would actually turn away some of those people. That said, I don't think you'd lose 50% of the players, so you'd still have a net increase in the prize pool.

  • @GamerLMA
    @GamerLMA 2 года назад +3

    That guy asking for comp settings and picking MK at a casual setting, is just a baby going "nooo i cant win otherwise, we play MY way"

  • @Korja88
    @Korja88 2 года назад +3

    My weekly locals going from costing 10-15 to 20-25 would push me out of the scene entirely, I can already barely afford to go to both my locals anymore because of gas prices and the decline of working conditions.
    Coney is out of touch and wealthy. Simple as.

    • @akbalpadilla7615
      @akbalpadilla7615 2 года назад +2

      I don’t completely agree with the few increase in general, and definitely don’t agree with doing it at locals, but 90% of the people whom proposed the increase were referring only to Majors and Super Majors.

  • @numimio
    @numimio 2 года назад +1

    about going to friends places and playing competitively, we always just turn off items like the dragoon stuff.
    not fun.

  • @Thatdudejosh9
    @Thatdudejosh9 2 года назад +4

    I don’t really follow the competitive community or how things work at tournaments, but I like hearing about this stuff through coney.

  • @Dman-er8oz
    @Dman-er8oz 2 года назад +1

    "we have ludwig at home"
    ludwig at home:

  • @logchop4267
    @logchop4267 2 года назад +1

    If you make everyone pay 10 more the only people who benefit are the top players who get top 8, kinda doesn't make sense for the hundreds of other entrants

  • @SpookySkeletonGang
    @SpookySkeletonGang 2 года назад +2

    Summit has quite literally run out of top players that are willing to campaign. The system is so terrible and they've refused to change it for so long and now it's biting them in the ass. They should have changed it years ago but here we are.

  • @quintessences
    @quintessences 2 года назад +1

    The issue for me is that esports is not an analogous thing to established sports in terms of fan base, recognizability and support… yet. I would love for esports to blow up to be mainstream level appeal to NFL Super Bowl appeal but I honestly don’t think it’s gonna happen. Purely because video games from a general audience perspective is stigmatized one way or another whether it’s generalizing everything as “they playing on their Nintendo” or to whatever short term fad is going on like Fortnite, among us etc. to even “it’s just a video game” as well as arguably the biggest hurdle video games have is the perceptron that they cause violence and or are too violent. It’s great that FGC gets dev/publisher support but it’s too niche and not marketed correctly for it to produce millionaires. And People who want it to be at that point in the now are honestly viewing it in w the mainstream mindset that traditional sports are at which is wrong.

  • @andreighinescu4946
    @andreighinescu4946 2 года назад +3

    Shout out too all my San Peligrino drinkers
    Gotta be my favourite personality trait

  • @Lobowskee
    @Lobowskee 2 года назад +1

    I use that bottle for drinking water and refilling it at home.

  • @blegher
    @blegher 2 года назад

    I'd say the real issue with upping the tournament fee from 10 to 20 is that 1) it keeps less competitive players who aren't super invested from entering and 2) it's an arbitrary number to begin with. 20 may eventually become 40, then 80, etc... The prize pot needs to be tied to something, and the current model is tied to a declining number of competitors, thus low prize pots.

  • @Meracog
    @Meracog 2 года назад +5

    Damn you smash community just let me spend $20 to go 0-2.

  • @traestevens5257
    @traestevens5257 2 года назад +3

    I can't imagine it being fair that if I entered a tournament with hbox (with me only ever playing smash casually) we both only pay 10 dollars

  • @Gymnasiar
    @Gymnasiar 2 года назад +6

    Well, Smash Players can always hope that some riot employee gets really into Smash. Its not so far fetched as they seem to have a habit of stealing good concepts and putting their own spin on it.

    • @DerkDurski
      @DerkDurski 2 года назад

      Riot is already developing a traditional fighting game.
      If you want to see big dev/company support for a platform fighter, look to Multiversus. They are hosting a tournament at EVO this year with a $100,00 prize pool being paid out to the top 32 teams.
      Rivals of Aether also does their best to support the competitive scene, although as an indie studio they obviously don't have the same kind of money to throw around as WB does.

    • @Gymnasiar
      @Gymnasiar 2 года назад

      @@DerkDurski Well riot is always looking for the broad appeal. Just because they do a traditional fighting game right now doesnt mean they wont try their hands on a new platform fighter.

  • @Oscar_Milde
    @Oscar_Milde 2 года назад +1

    Coney and getting stun locked mid-sentence to extend the content dramatically. Name a more iconic duo

  • @mmnaddaf122193
    @mmnaddaf122193 2 года назад +6

    This video aged well....lol

  • @hamfish1328
    @hamfish1328 2 года назад +1

    Dang, just found this channel through some multiversus recommendations. Glad I did, great content.

  • @Razzspoons
    @Razzspoons 2 года назад +3

    We're getting 5 videos this week. Coney week OOOO

  • @shotu8589
    @shotu8589 2 года назад +3

    We need pot bonuses from sponsors like papa johns, but we never get really good sponsors 😔

  • @realitant
    @realitant 2 года назад +1

    Do majors really only have a $10 entry fee? I only went to Crown II as a spectator, but I thought the players entry was like $50

  • @taylormccort7574
    @taylormccort7574 2 года назад +1

    $10 isnt a dealbreaker but isnt going to motivate top a lot more top players to attend events, imo. Advertisers and story lines are key. Relying on the 5K people who 90%+ dont have jobs/living wage to fund this is not a good model. Find ways to increase tourney size and online viewership.

  • @bassist_matt
    @bassist_matt 2 года назад +2

    I think $20 entry would maybe only make a difference at a local/regional level. With majors, I think people know what they're getting into cost wise and I agree I dont think $10 more would be the dealbreaker for most people. I would say most attendees go to a major for the experience overall, not just competing. But for example, a tourney near me a little while back in Orlando was $20 registration + tax so it was $25~ iirc (I forget regional or local, prob regional). And for a mid ass level player like me, it just almost feels like throwing away my money. Maybe its very self-defeating of me, but when I see that local/regional is $20-25 and I see Aaron, Goblin, Jake, Beastmodepaul, Epic Gabe etc. all signed up its like "nah I'm good I'm just gonna be throwing away my money". Ofc I want to get better/get experience, but if it were to cost me $20~ every week/other week I feel like I'd be better off buying lessons and playing friendlies lol. Just my opinion!

    • @ktofthedx21
      @ktofthedx21 2 года назад +1

      wait what local is $20? the only tourney at that price tag I can recall is the O monthlies, otherwise both their weeklies and Juicy’s tourneys are closer to the historical $10 mark

    • @bassist_matt
      @bassist_matt 2 года назад

      @@ktofthedx21 It wasn't the O, I'll be honest I can't recall the name rn, it was a place I had not really heard of before in the Altamonte area I believe. It was something I saw on smash.gg and was like "oh neat I've never seen this place". I want to say it was a video game sale store, but I know it wasn't Versus games cause I've been to those tourneys. And yeah agreed, I used to go to Juicy's regularly when I had a car and their pricing was great, never been to the O but heard good things!

  • @killaknight12
    @killaknight12 2 года назад +1

    Coney thinking a stock split will magically quadruple his investment is the funniest shit of the whole video.

  • @gunnadahun
    @gunnadahun 2 года назад +2

    Based video. The only smasher that understands supply and demand

  • @Trapjrt
    @Trapjrt 2 года назад +1

    How about we take the entry fees and buy scratch off tickets and then take the winnings for the prize pool

  • @XC11301991
    @XC11301991 2 года назад +1

    20 bucks seems pretty acceptable for entree fee considering most ticket prices of fairs, etc. are around that price if not more these days.

  • @majintv24
    @majintv24 2 года назад

    There are ways TOs can help the melee scene like yeah adding entry cost for more prize payouts, maybe having things like tournament exclusive design controller shells for entry and top however many to first and more options but for a game like melee its just putting more bandaids to a game that might be on its last legs. If viewership and attendance is down then its unlikely to increase significantly. Melee has been having a solid competitive scene for many years and the only way a game is doing so is if its a tcg really. Idk if any other video game has had a competitive scene as long as melee.

  • @SP_Sour
    @SP_Sour 2 года назад +1

    The idea of Nintendo giving money to Melee tournaments is laughable, even if it wasn't Nintendo. Like, they're already stingy, but what company is going to throw money at an old game they can't really profit off of anymore?
    It'd be like if Capcom gave out money for Third Strike or Super Turbo tournaments. Nobody's doing that.
    ...granted, they _are_ holding that Darkstalkers tournament, BUT, if it weren't held on CFC and it was a normal tournament with FPGAs hooked up to CRTs, they would definitely not be sponsoring it.

  • @Masaru_kun
    @Masaru_kun 7 месяцев назад +1

    the 'gods' in melee were called that because they rarely lost to anyone except each other, and no one except them could win a major. the top players aren't as consistent in ultimate, that's why they're 'horsemen' which is an even cringier word.

  • @mitishh516
    @mitishh516 2 года назад

    Anyone know the songs at 7:50 and at 19:50?

  • @cacta7799
    @cacta7799 2 года назад +1

    Coney sounds like an old man whenever he says, "in the brawl days."

  • @MarcusFenixKO
    @MarcusFenixKO 2 года назад

    I mean CEO was the first and so far only big tournament convention I don’t to. It doesn’t seem like a big deal but 10$ more to just go 0-2 in Ultimate kinda leave with a horrible feeling of; “why did I go/enter” after the fact. I think it’s benefits any scene to have more players enter into tourneys cause it with circulate more entries and variety no matter what.

  • @happysqWid
    @happysqWid 3 месяца назад

    Melee is a 20+ year old game with a small niche scene. RUclips makes them think they're bigger than they are. 75 bucks for 5th is a MASSIVE payout for the value it provides

  • @AWanderingSwordsman
    @AWanderingSwordsman 2 года назад +2

    Is it really that bad if a 20 year old game's tourny scene dies after the best players that have been doing it for 2 decades quit? Like, if the scene dies, it's cause no one wants to play it anymore. If they do, it'll stick around.

  • @MrGrombie
    @MrGrombie 2 года назад +5

    They gotta get more sponsors to put into the prize pool.

    • @WrathofArchon
      @WrathofArchon 2 года назад +1

      why would big companies sponsor a game that doesn’t have the biggest audience competitively and one that Nintendo has tried to take down for a while

    • @Horror1155
      @Horror1155 2 года назад

      They should do that for ultimate.

    • @MrGrombie
      @MrGrombie 2 года назад +1

      @@WrathofArchon smaller stores in the area could help jump the pot up by a nice margin. Considering 1k would jump the pot up like 40%.

  • @maceybeddall2478
    @maceybeddall2478 2 года назад

    19:18
    What is this song, I need it

  • @kennythekid130
    @kennythekid130 2 года назад +2

    Jmook really has saved melee's storylines

  • @gregoryolenovich6440
    @gregoryolenovich6440 2 года назад +2

    Coinbase figured out melee players ain't buying crypto because they're broke lol.

  • @EthanALS
    @EthanALS 2 года назад +2

    I got $42 for getting 2nd at a local that had 15 entrants and a pot bonus

  • @emeraldgiss
    @emeraldgiss 2 года назад +5

    He told Hbox to do better next time and he did.