Very informative video on Archer class/ranged unit utilization. Choosing between crossbows or bows is something that may come off as "trivial" to some but, it is quite the game changer in a battle. "Must run this party optimally!"
It baffles me how many people forget the archers has 2 weapons. The crossbow is excellent in its own right, while not as IWIN as it was in the PSP (where you could instakill enemy leaders with the third finisher), brimstone hail remains strong. And the crossbow remains excellent when you face an uphill battle. With 0 loss to range.
What I love about your videos (and I've watched a lot of them, mainly those about the PSP version), is that you know what you're talking about. I've tried to watch other people reviewing the game but it looks like they just played the game for half an hour and became confused because it is not FFT or Triangle Strategy.
For chapter three I've been rocking.. Denam as Ninja with Envenom katana and silence bow, another ninja with a poison darts, tk, hoplite with scorpion, Canopus with silence bow, arycelle sniping, warlock charging everyone's specials.another vartan with poison claws. Knight who can poison too, haborym murdering or buffing then just whatever counter options we need with dragoons, dragons, beast tamer grenadier extra cleric etc . It's pretty much chemical warfare with breaching all over as well. We melt teams and haven't been stopped yet.
@@CoffeePotato update the battle with Oz was our toughest challenge yet, we had a couple incapacitated but rushed Oz and melted him down after things started getting hairy. Damn templar. No casualties tho at the end of the day.
@@CoffeePotato I hope so too. One thing you forgot, at least what I like to do is pair up my archer, with a Blowgun Beastmaster. 100% hit buff and blowguns go so well together from my experience. Enemy finisher coming up? Charm them and use their own MP against them.
All those units feel so useless when you come for a2 where everyone is a terminator. You videos helped to make the units feel more useable. Showing me the breach + fear combo with strengthened archers really helped. But I feel like going for the highest damage 2handed bows for my archers is the best way for them to make progress.
The trick is to see past damage as the goal. They excel at delaying, denying, exploiting, and harassing. Their strength is in the hit that didn't happen because they took a piece off the board more often than the crazy scaling shot that did.
@@CoffeePotato If I want a cc unit I would go for a blowgun ninja with stun+silencebringer and eagle eye support and not a "skirmisher". The game really rewards units that are highly specialized. I just dont see the point for running a unit that does 50-150 damage a round, sometimes drops a stun or a knockback and mostly does very little progress. A ninja that can drop 4 debuffs or a full damage archer will have more impactful turns than a unit that tries to do a lot of different things at once (crossbow knight/terrorknight/skirmisher). Also death is the best cc.
@@CoffeePotato It obviously works for you. I just want to exchange ideas on how to make the best out of your units. So I wanted to know why you like them.
Ah yes the good old square menu. By the time I reach Boed Fortress and fought Oz on 3C made me triple check the bonuses each and every protection each armour piece from the square menu gives and it made a huuuuuuge difference. You can ignore it on the PSP to some extent but man this really is a game changer and could make your life go smoother in the game.
I'm still on my first playthrough (I played PSP years ago though), and hit the midgame where Canopus starts falling off, but I still use him and Arycelle to take out enemy clerics. On a couple maps they've been healing almost as fast as I can deal damage.
@@CoffeePotato One more idea for new series. AI run only. It mean you setup your team and let the AI do the fighting. Try to go throw the storyline with this method to see if it is possible or not. How is that sound?
Thank you,, been playing for over a decade and always dismissed the archer as a junk unit type. Now im seeing i have solely missed a key class that can turn a slog fight into a cake walk. Earned a sub, you have.
17:27 and 23:36 - What's happening with those really weak Dragonslayer shots here? I'm used to seeing my (melee) Jeunan hit dragons for 50% hp with Dragonslayer, and 90%+ with Dragonslayer and Dragonsbane stacked together. So those numbers kind of confuse me. The descriptions of Dragonsbane/Dragonslayer/Beastbane/Beastlayer specifically mention "melee" in Reborn, which made me think that Dragoons got nerfed into being melee-only units. But I tried it in-game (Phorampa 1, on griffons) and those skills still do apply to crossbows, just like with the PSP version. There's no problem with the stats of your Dragoon (showed at 17:48), and the dragons didn't have Dragon Scale. You did have an elemental disadvantage in both instances (air vs ice), but would that really justify those poor numbers?
Lots of things were going against that particular dragoon, but it seems you mostly had that figured out. Her Dex also just really sucked by comparison. I figured the fairest comparison was to take my first run through save from the end of Chaos, bring it to Snow Hektor instead of Neutral, and just turn whoever was already in the team into ranged units. In her case she's actually the dragoon from Vyce 1, but I think she was an Agi specialist or something. She literally stayed doing awful damage all playthrough until the fire temple saw her double tapped by crits into a hole. The melee thing is a weird oversight, but hopefully they'll patch that. I'm thinking someone was following notes and got tired, because the Bane description was just assumed to be fine for Slayer and Ninja Buffs too.
Best way to use archers: give Canopus a bow lol (I'm always talking about this guy). The man was using a shotbow up to chapter 3 doing insane damage. No for real archers feel pretty good. They do their job well without being insanely OP like in the original game.
They do, and yeah, it's great to see basic weapons lasting way longer. Currently I'm blazing through Coda 2 using Scorpions on my spear guys like it's just normal 🤣
@@CoffeePotato It's really awesome. I like using 1-hand axes with 1-hand bows/crossbows a lot. Especially on a class like terror knight who tends to get targeted by mages....oh, they pay for it dearly. Just got the balder bows now so it's even better.
Do you have any advice on the fight in Xeod Moors there a lot of opportunities in this fight to get a griffin, a dragoon and it's mostly a water base map and I been having a hard time getting past it
There's a lot of fights in Xeod Moors, but I'd say your easiest answer is, oddly enough, homicide. If you kill the dragoon (if this is the one I think it is), you can get 3 of their classmarks, while Phorampa Wildwood should open up as soon as you read the Warren Report entry for it, which spawns low loyalty griffins in bulk on the very first map, it's far easier to get there.
I have a question. I am fighting leonar and he using rending gale or whatever and the number it shows is 347. I have 1200 hp and it takes like 750 or so off. How is it displaying 347 but actually taking off 700+? I dont understand what im missing here. Hes two shotting my max level denam guy. Its a little buggered because up until this fight i have been rather overpowered.
It's a multi-hit move, he's just cutting twice. If he's hitting that hard, it's also possible he has an elemental advantage. Store has Brands of the sacrifice that take 20% off of the attacker's scaling, and Basins of Time to do the same defensively.
my strategy is to combine 2 terror knights + 2 supports + archers. the damage a breached and terrified unit takes from a single buffed archer is ridiculous, now imagine 4 or 6. breached and terror are just the best debuffs in the game, after stun offcourse.
Absolutely, and because they scale extra sharply, they end up outpacing most other damage types in that situation. Like a fist may jump from 200 to 600, while a longbow can go from 10 to 1500. It's wild.
I've been running poison on everything. Spells weapon effects. Loving it. Have had entire enemy teams with it. Wish I could see stats on total poison damage. Been a blast so far. Also can you requite the dragon on the way to POTD the one with lots of HP. I tried but messed up
great guide video, late game archers start to suck vs stronk armor, but i find combo stun + poison and other dirty debuffs, now they look more better dont rly know what to do with fusils, i like this weapon from FFT, but here it feel very weak and come tooo late, or maybe i dont find key how use it well
People - oh, yes, my favourite tactical RPG got a remake, hooray!!! Also people - what do you mean I have to use tactics and can't simply nuke everybody in one or two shots using 8 archers?
I love the De-Disgaeafication. TO:PSP I basically won by having superior numbers on my guys. That 60 base strength generic berserker I had was tearing through everything. And I stopped playing TO Classic when I had a Hawk with so much Vit (from Dragon Steaks) that pretty much everyone hit him for 1 damage.
Yeah I read some of the negative reviews and it seems like people are jumping into the game and expecting it to play like FFT where you can just blast through any scenario with almost any build within reason. Tactics in a tactical rpg? Whaaat?
Hello My friend I got a question for you, light Spoiler ahead. I'm stuck on the fight with the two twin lodissian knight in the castle Phidoch. Their set up deal way too much damage to me and I need a new unit build for that part of the game (is it mid or late game?). I'm looking at your build on this video and it's doesn't feel like my style. Do you happen to know a couple of build that would be great for this battle and feel a less gimmicky. I miss the old GBA title with my Alphonse who dealt crazy amount of damage with snapdragon weapon and molten weapon on top of being untouchable.
picked up some skill trigger cards with my white knights and hoped to trigger their auras when resurrecting them. that felt pretty great. reminded me of deaths door in darkest dungeon. think i brought a beast tamer who could toss %heal pots, mostly intended to recruit the dragon but i didn't manage that in the end, poison blow darts probably helped a bit as well, probably brought arycelle as well. had some issues with enemies ranged units jumped on top of some high pillars which made it hard to deal with. something that could deal with mages and clerics would probably be great.
@@CoffeePotato We still needing to make an undead unit to do it or a regular unit going to do just fine? Got a couple units in mind to transform, just want to make sure before I invest
Random question : is it normal to be chasing the level cap in late Ch III and early IV but still being ground into the dirt by the story and Nybeth fights?
Yup, it's the game saying "please learn my mechanics, I have a lot of them, we worked really hard on this". But no, levels mean very little past the very early game. You want to be shutting down units before they act, anticipating then denying damage dealers, and applying debuffs liberally. If a fight ever feels impossible, there's something being missed, in other words.
Noooooo you can't make this video (*throws a Hot Pocket on the floor*) Archers are terrible now, I can't Yamato Cannon every enemy into oblivion each turn with them (*dumps two-day old Mountain Dew all over a laptop*) What do you MEAN units have ROLES, that's not "number go up" I don't understand (*trips over an empty can of Axe body spray*) I can't believe you're talking about TICTAKS?!? STRATEGERY??!? (*rips a poster of Arycelle off the wall, eyes full of tears*) This is an OUTRAGE and I won't stand for it! JK, wonderful video as always. Thank you for all of the work and love you put into your channel!
Thank You kindly, and I know, right? Some out there really need to believe they suck for some reason. They're dang good fun like this, just like OV in many ways.
As long as my Archers are stunning that's OK, they're good against squishies but seldom can I get to their back line, the knights, tk etc are already picking them off by that time. I'm trying but I suck at this game lol but made it to chapter 4... could you do a tower stage tutorial? I.e where you're at a major disadvantage and the boss is surrounded by healers haha
Love your video's. Any tips for the final boss he has wrecked me probably 20 times can't seem to get him below 2k hp. Starting to wonder if i need to do the hanging gardens all over again recruit more casters etc.
Absolutely, and you shouldn't, but for what it'll help, here's a few bits and pieces. -Shots seem to ignore his armor. -Evade and other nullifying skills work wonders. Hoplites and Patrick/Matriarchs rule here, Commander and Bucc too. -Swordmasters are a tempting target for his melee, and can preempt. -Fusilliers can hit him from just about anywhere for decent damage. -Breach from Dynast Mead ironically works great. -Pressure Whirl cudgel finisher helps a ton, especially since he's weak to it. -Plug in headphones to appreciate the sick new boss music.
Get a bunch of lightgranades (ca. 40) and and a few Beasttamers/Fusilliers with lobber. Then go unequip all weapons from your units and give everyone the granades and some healing/reviving items. Make sure they still have their weaponskill equiped otherwise the granades dont deal damage. Now all the doppelgangers dont do anything. Wait and heal until the boss dosnt trigger "Risk Managemant" and then kill the first phase. For second phase just dont group up to much and keep throwing grandes till he dies. The final boss was kinda a letdown after I figured that out. You can also make use of poisoncloud or chronoshift since the AI is not using it even when the doppelgangers got them.
for first phase, go with a lot of healer team so you won't take that much damage and when everyone is cleared but the boss, stall the fight until you collect 3atk+ and 1crit+ on all your dps characters and wait until your mp bar in full, on second phase, frist turn go toward the boss and turn 2 kill him, that's all!
I try to diversify my weapons as much as possible, but have been running with a hawkman longbow archer and Arycelle as a ninja trick archer (like your ninja in this video). It's funny because once you hit Ch2 and crafting is unlocked, you gain access to stun and breach on so many weapons that it's kinda unfair. Meanwhile, the discussion board on Steam is full of people who keep running like 3+ berzerkers complaining about how "OP" the cards are. Like yeah, the scaling damage on cards is going to be a problem when you're running high risk, high reward melee units like berzerkers. Doesn't mean the card system is broken...
The card system is still broken nonetheless, using this example to claim it isn't is wrong ^^ It's a flat +50% damage to whatever your unit's dealing for the Magic and Physical cards, way too much. I would have nerfed it to +10%, and it would have been a huge boost for the remaining of the encounter. I also diversify my weapons as much as possible (not running the same weapon twice) as well as playing only one archetype of each class, and i agree the moment you unlock the +1 weapon with all the debuffs with them is the turning point where the game becomes slowly easier =) ! Can't wait for Reborn to be moddable to fix some stuff in a better way One Vision did ! Allowing us to choose which overhaul we want to add will definitely made it the best version ever !
@@Rathalos23 Eh, I still think the damage on cards being OP is debatable. If an enemy is 1-shotting you after picking up 2 cards, they were doing 50% of your hp before any cards, which is more a problem of stats than of the cards. For example, I was in a battle before where with 2 cards, the boss was able to do 80% of my ninja's hp in 1 hit, but did like 8% to the knight the next turn. The problem there wasn't that the damage was OP, it was that my ninja was out of position and got punished for it.
@@KLOTEROLEROTAR About there. After the northern push, read about the forts being attacked. Then go and clear out the forts. Then read about the Apocrypha. Then go visit the left center castle to talk to Mreuvra. He will ask if you're a bad enough dude for some elemental nukes. Say it's fine, and he will open up the temples where the forts were, as long as one of his daughters is still alive. Usually you'll at least have Olivia by this point.
@@CoffeePotato thanks for the tip. also I just got tier 3 finishing moves and their power is night and day compared to tier 2. I had trouble dealing with enemies around the 2k health threshold, but tier 3 moves melt them.
question not really relevant to this video but I figure you're the best person to ask" what happens in the event you save Catiua but when given the option to let her join the party you refuse to recruit her? does the game treat her as dead for story purposes?
This is all well and good, but once level 2 area spells and spell range +2-5 and engulf, casters are better damage and status applicators, and they can do it well ignoring elevations.
Different approaches, but not better. Casters can't guarantee, they can be resisted, even at max hit odds. Archers have two ways to guarantee the debuff gets applied, and can later also damage with debuffs through walls and height. I'm not saying either is directly better, but they both have that on hand. Damage wise, archers can quadruple whatever their normal hit is by chapter 4. They're basically the same ideas, but in reverse. Right unit for the right situation, but they're a lot better than they first seem. Like...I still have my good ol reliable poison casters and such for general purpose use, but when I want specific things done, the feather heads are very reliable.
@@CoffeePotato I've been experimenting with archer ninja combo. It's been interesting. Using archer for guaranteed pit knock offs is fun. My charmed out Cressida never misses a charm / poison and I don't abuse chariot other than when recruiting units.
with the weapon in hands, in shop or craft tab, select the weapon and then switch tabs (there are many info tabs) until you find it. In PC it's ctrl + d
Okay I recruited her xD thanks I waited all the way from 30 minutes ago from now for the answer I'm a patient man. PALACE OF THE DEAD IS WICKED HARD. For me right now I'm only 32 x.x
25 hours into this game, overall a great game. However, the level cap is such a bad design. I get it why they want avoid having your party overlevel and stomp through the battles. But I've had so many battle where I already hit the level cap thus not getting rewards. Sometimes I had to run through 3-5 battles before the cap is raised again, so for those 3-5 battles I feel no progression. Needeless to say, progression is a pretty important aspect of a RPG. Hopefully they come up with some fix to bypass this badly designed mechanic.
I think you may be assuming some things here. I've consistently been able to early level rush with no issues, what rewards do you think you're not getting? If you're following a PSP guide, some drops opened at 30 on that version, but they're fixed this time. Aka in the PSP version, crafting books were from specific units that only sometimes spawned and only could drop them if currently using the high level drop table, triggered at different levels for each area. This time, it's all just on the boss of the area and randomly, if frequently, from Palace of the Dead instead. I think you're misreading something and attributing it to levels. It happens, it's a complicated game like that, this happens with every mechanic every day, but it's not the levels.
I would argue being able to progress the story is rewarding enough. But if you feel unrewarded, try bringing another character along. I have about 18 characters in total that I use. And switch out between, depending on the map layout and enemy comp. Try recruiting a lizard or 2, some more mages, a lizard. They also make good replacements if someone dies.
@@CoffeePotato By reward, I am talking about looking at tens of thousands of experience goes to waste. It's nothing gaming breaking, but the feeling of seeing your hard earned experience does nothing is not great to say the least.
Archer needed a nerf from psp ver but this is ridiculous. They need 5 times the effort to perform less than average. they are probably one of the weakest class in the game.
Depends on the task you're asking of them. They can reliably do many tasks others can't, and can do them safely. It's all situational, there's no "5 times the effort" when the task varies in it's situation every few seconds.
Ever find a content creator you know you would have been best friends in high school. Drawing maps and going over gameplay and tactics after school.
Sounds legit 🤣
Very informative video on Archer class/ranged unit utilization. Choosing between crossbows or bows is something that may come off as "trivial" to some but, it is quite the game changer in a battle. "Must run this party optimally!"
Optimal is fine, but tricky is more fun!
It baffles me how many people forget the archers has 2 weapons. The crossbow is excellent in its own right, while not as IWIN as it was in the PSP (where you could instakill enemy leaders with the third finisher), brimstone hail remains strong. And the crossbow remains excellent when you face an uphill battle. With 0 loss to range.
What I love about your videos (and I've watched a lot of them, mainly those about the PSP version), is that you know what you're talking about. I've tried to watch other people reviewing the game but it looks like they just played the game for half an hour and became confused because it is not FFT or Triangle Strategy.
I'm just glad to be in a position to share my oddly specific knowledge!
For chapter three I've been rocking..
Denam as Ninja with Envenom katana and silence bow, another ninja with a poison darts, tk, hoplite with scorpion, Canopus with silence bow, arycelle sniping, warlock charging everyone's specials.another vartan with poison claws. Knight who can poison too, haborym murdering or buffing then just whatever counter options we need with dragoons, dragons, beast tamer grenadier extra cleric etc .
It's pretty much chemical warfare with breaching all over as well. We melt teams and haven't been stopped yet.
War Crimes Chess simulator for 25 years and counting 👍
@@CoffeePotato update the battle with Oz was our toughest challenge yet, we had a couple incapacitated but rushed Oz and melted him down after things started getting hairy. Damn templar. No casualties tho at the end of the day.
@@M2-mike He's surprisingly smushy to water balloons (Water shots)
@@CoffeePotatoGeneva convention? More like Geneva suggestion.
Hey, you made the video in the end :D Awesome!
This is gonna be really handy for all the people who complain Archers fall off after chapter 1 :)
Absolutely, hopefully it helps!
@@CoffeePotato I hope so too. One thing you forgot, at least what I like to do is pair up my archer, with a Blowgun Beastmaster. 100% hit buff and blowguns go so well together from my experience. Enemy finisher coming up? Charm them and use their own MP against them.
All those units feel so useless when you come for a2 where everyone is a terminator. You videos helped to make the units feel more useable. Showing me the breach + fear combo with strengthened archers really helped. But I feel like going for the highest damage 2handed bows for my archers is the best way for them to make progress.
The trick is to see past damage as the goal. They excel at delaying, denying, exploiting, and harassing. Their strength is in the hit that didn't happen because they took a piece off the board more often than the crazy scaling shot that did.
@@CoffeePotato If I want a cc unit I would go for a blowgun ninja with stun+silencebringer and eagle eye support and not a "skirmisher". The game really rewards units that are highly specialized. I just dont see the point for running a unit that does 50-150 damage a round, sometimes drops a stun or a knockback and mostly does very little progress. A ninja that can drop 4 debuffs or a full damage archer will have more impactful turns than a unit that tries to do a lot of different things at once (crossbow knight/terrorknight/skirmisher).
Also death is the best cc.
@@randoomingnope7574 Then do that. I like the dagger finishers due to how consistent archers are with them. Especially the second one.
@@CoffeePotato It obviously works for you. I just want to exchange ideas on how to make the best out of your units. So I wanted to know why you like them.
@@randoomingnope7574 They're just fun to play with. Good range, consistent, and good tools on hand.
Hektor is awesome, we should be able to recruit him
We should, but we kinda sorta shot his wife, sooo 🤷
Yup, always wanted to recruit him back on PSP, i tried to spare him so many turns ;(...
@@CoffeePotato that was not a problem with Ozma 👻
Or we can mod change spirite random unit become hektor but it's a big problem :))))
Cant unzombie him on the Nybeth fight?
Ah yes the good old square menu. By the time I reach Boed Fortress and fought Oz on 3C made me triple check the bonuses each and every protection each armour piece from the square menu gives and it made a huuuuuuge difference. You can ignore it on the PSP to some extent but man this really is a game changer and could make your life go smoother in the game.
To some extent, but Circlet is the new Bronze Helm this time around.
I'm still on my first playthrough (I played PSP years ago though), and hit the midgame where Canopus starts falling off, but I still use him and Arycelle to take out enemy clerics. On a couple maps they've been healing almost as fast as I can deal damage.
Does Canopus work better as a Vartan or archer in Reborn?
Another example of the flexible customization Tactics Ogre Reborn has!
Dang right!
I want more of these!!! What a fantastic work my man
What would you like to see?
@@CoffeePotato Honestly anything man.
But Heavy magic team demonstate how "knowledge is power" will be a feast to mortal eyes
@@CoffeePotato One more idea for new series. AI run only. It mean you setup your team and let the AI do the fighting. Try to go throw the storyline with this method to see if it is possible or not. How is that sound?
Thank you for another great guide!
Thank You!
Thank you,, been playing for over a decade and always dismissed the archer as a junk unit type. Now im seeing i have solely missed a key class that can turn a slog fight into a cake walk. Earned a sub, you have.
17:27 and 23:36 - What's happening with those really weak Dragonslayer shots here? I'm used to seeing my (melee) Jeunan hit dragons for 50% hp with Dragonslayer, and 90%+ with Dragonslayer and Dragonsbane stacked together. So those numbers kind of confuse me.
The descriptions of Dragonsbane/Dragonslayer/Beastbane/Beastlayer specifically mention "melee" in Reborn, which made me think that Dragoons got nerfed into being melee-only units. But I tried it in-game (Phorampa 1, on griffons) and those skills still do apply to crossbows, just like with the PSP version.
There's no problem with the stats of your Dragoon (showed at 17:48), and the dragons didn't have Dragon Scale. You did have an elemental disadvantage in both instances (air vs ice), but would that really justify those poor numbers?
Lots of things were going against that particular dragoon, but it seems you mostly had that figured out. Her Dex also just really sucked by comparison. I figured the fairest comparison was to take my first run through save from the end of Chaos, bring it to Snow Hektor instead of Neutral, and just turn whoever was already in the team into ranged units. In her case she's actually the dragoon from Vyce 1, but I think she was an Agi specialist or something. She literally stayed doing awful damage all playthrough until the fire temple saw her double tapped by crits into a hole.
The melee thing is a weird oversight, but hopefully they'll patch that. I'm thinking someone was following notes and got tired, because the Bane description was just assumed to be fine for Slayer and Ninja Buffs too.
Best way to use archers: give Canopus a bow lol (I'm always talking about this guy). The man was using a shotbow up to chapter 3 doing insane damage. No for real archers feel pretty good. They do their job well without being insanely OP like in the original game.
They do, and yeah, it's great to see basic weapons lasting way longer. Currently I'm blazing through Coda 2 using Scorpions on my spear guys like it's just normal 🤣
@@CoffeePotato It's really awesome. I like using 1-hand axes with 1-hand bows/crossbows a lot. Especially on a class like terror knight who tends to get targeted by mages....oh, they pay for it dearly. Just got the balder bows now so it's even better.
@@rabbyd542 It's really solid for them, agreed
"Leaden procs most of the time", me looking at Arycelle never proccing a leaden in her whole life
It's a set chance, you don't just bring one. Typically bringing 2-3 of anything with a chance to fail is a good idea.
Do you have any advice on the fight in Xeod Moors there a lot of opportunities in this fight to get a griffin, a dragoon and it's mostly a water base map and I been having a hard time getting past it
There's a lot of fights in Xeod Moors, but I'd say your easiest answer is, oddly enough, homicide. If you kill the dragoon (if this is the one I think it is), you can get 3 of their classmarks, while Phorampa Wildwood should open up as soon as you read the Warren Report entry for it, which spawns low loyalty griffins in bulk on the very first map, it's far easier to get there.
sir i want ask ? is this version can be finish using just one man , like the psp version , i kindda bored to finish it again normal way
It can. It's the same system, just better handled.
I have a question. I am fighting leonar and he using rending gale or whatever and the number it shows is 347. I have 1200 hp and it takes like 750 or so off. How is it displaying 347 but actually taking off 700+? I dont understand what im missing here. Hes two shotting my max level denam guy. Its a little buggered because up until this fight i have been rather overpowered.
rending gale attacks twice. With most classes you can't facetank him, you have to play with speed and kite him accordingly.
@@shdzin o no wonder. It wasnt showing the second number.
It's a multi-hit move, he's just cutting twice. If he's hitting that hard, it's also possible he has an elemental advantage. Store has Brands of the sacrifice that take 20% off of the attacker's scaling, and Basins of Time to do the same defensively.
my strategy is to combine 2 terror knights + 2 supports + archers. the damage a breached and terrified unit takes from a single buffed archer is ridiculous, now imagine 4 or 6. breached and terror are just the best debuffs in the game, after stun offcourse.
Absolutely, and because they scale extra sharply, they end up outpacing most other damage types in that situation. Like a fist may jump from 200 to 600, while a longbow can go from 10 to 1500. It's wild.
I've been running poison on everything. Spells weapon effects. Loving it. Have had entire enemy teams with it. Wish I could see stats on total poison damage. Been a blast so far. Also can you requite the dragon on the way to POTD the one with lots of HP. I tried but messed up
Yeah, poisoned arrows make short work of pretty much any tank. Knights and Ninjas are best buddies this time around.
great guide video, late game archers start to suck vs stronk armor, but i find combo stun + poison and other dirty debuffs, now they look more better
dont rly know what to do with fusils, i like this weapon from FFT, but here it feel very weak and come tooo late, or maybe i dont find key how use it well
People - oh, yes, my favourite tactical RPG got a remake, hooray!!!
Also people - what do you mean I have to use tactics and can't simply nuke everybody in one or two shots using 8 archers?
I love the De-Disgaeafication. TO:PSP I basically won by having superior numbers on my guys. That 60 base strength generic berserker I had was tearing through everything. And I stopped playing TO Classic when I had a Hawk with so much Vit (from Dragon Steaks) that pretty much everyone hit him for 1 damage.
Yeah I read some of the negative reviews and it seems like people are jumping into the game and expecting it to play like FFT where you can just blast through any scenario with almost any build within reason. Tactics in a tactical rpg? Whaaat?
Hello My friend I got a question for you,
light Spoiler ahead.
I'm stuck on the fight with the two twin lodissian knight in the castle Phidoch. Their set up deal way too much damage to me and I need a new unit build for that part of the game (is it mid or late game?). I'm looking at your build on this video and it's doesn't feel like my style. Do you happen to know a couple of build that would be great for this battle and feel a less gimmicky.
I miss the old GBA title with my Alphonse who dealt crazy amount of damage with snapdragon weapon and molten weapon on top of being untouchable.
picked up some skill trigger cards with my white knights and hoped to trigger their auras when resurrecting them. that felt pretty great. reminded me of deaths door in darkest dungeon.
think i brought a beast tamer who could toss %heal pots, mostly intended to recruit the dragon but i didn't manage that in the end, poison blow darts probably helped a bit as well, probably brought arycelle as well.
had some issues with enemies ranged units jumped on top of some high pillars which made it hard to deal with.
something that could deal with mages and clerics would probably be great.
If it's the one I'm thinking of, I'm making a video on that soon.
Not sure if you went over it at some point, but is unlocking Divine Knight the same this go around as it was in the PSP version?
It's easier, the Rood just transforms them anywhere.
@@CoffeePotato We still needing to make an undead unit to do it or a regular unit going to do just fine? Got a couple units in mind to transform, just want to make sure before I invest
@@Felrika I think they just transform now, I'm not sure, haven't gotten to testing it yet.
Random question : is it normal to be chasing the level cap in late Ch III and early IV but still being ground into the dirt by the story and Nybeth fights?
Yup, it's the game saying "please learn my mechanics, I have a lot of them, we worked really hard on this". But no, levels mean very little past the very early game. You want to be shutting down units before they act, anticipating then denying damage dealers, and applying debuffs liberally. If a fight ever feels impossible, there's something being missed, in other words.
Noooooo you can't make this video (*throws a Hot Pocket on the floor*) Archers are terrible now, I can't Yamato Cannon every enemy into oblivion each turn with them (*dumps two-day old Mountain Dew all over a laptop*) What do you MEAN units have ROLES, that's not "number go up" I don't understand (*trips over an empty can of Axe body spray*) I can't believe you're talking about TICTAKS?!? STRATEGERY??!? (*rips a poster of Arycelle off the wall, eyes full of tears*) This is an OUTRAGE and I won't stand for it!
JK, wonderful video as always. Thank you for all of the work and love you put into your channel!
Thank You kindly, and I know, right? Some out there really need to believe they suck for some reason. They're dang good fun like this, just like OV in many ways.
As long as my Archers are stunning that's OK, they're good against squishies but seldom can I get to their back line, the knights, tk etc are already picking them off by that time. I'm trying but I suck at this game lol but made it to chapter 4... could you do a tower stage tutorial? I.e where you're at a major disadvantage and the boss is surrounded by healers haha
Can do, this somehow won the vote, but any particular ones giving you trouble that you'd like to see?
@@CoffeePotato the 3n battle where you can save Cerya (she died on my run), notoriously difficult battle apparently...
We can all agree, impatience for the best tactics ogre content! Everyone else releasing content but if it's not coffee potato ain't worth the watch.
Daww, thanks! But Tostones, Warren Report, and the guy that does jazz covers are great!
Yes but the difference is you GIVE ALL THE DETAILS cause half of this stuff is linked together so I personally truly appreciate it
Off topic because I can’t find the info anywhere, where can you find enchideons ? Please I looked on Google forever
Palace of the Dead, ballpark Floor 11-30, they just drop at random everywhere. See post game video a few days ago.
@@CoffeePotato last question so none drop from the woods or pirate dungeon
@@georgebrown2459 So far as I'm aware
@@CoffeePotato thank you sir love the vids I appreciate you responding quickly
Dragon slayer only works on melee attacks right?
Slayer works on anything, that was a miss on someone's part. Bane is melee only. Ninja buffs also apply to anything.
mans out here defending archers like his life depends on it.
I just like my feather hat buddies 😂
Love your video's. Any tips for the final boss he has wrecked me probably 20 times can't seem to get him below 2k hp. Starting to wonder if i need to do the hanging gardens all over again recruit more casters etc.
Absolutely, and you shouldn't, but for what it'll help, here's a few bits and pieces.
-Shots seem to ignore his armor.
-Evade and other nullifying skills work wonders. Hoplites and Patrick/Matriarchs rule here, Commander and Bucc too.
-Swordmasters are a tempting target for his melee, and can preempt.
-Fusilliers can hit him from just about anywhere for decent damage.
-Breach from Dynast Mead ironically works great.
-Pressure Whirl cudgel finisher helps a ton, especially since he's weak to it.
-Plug in headphones to appreciate the sick new boss music.
Get a bunch of lightgranades (ca. 40) and and a few Beasttamers/Fusilliers with lobber.
Then go unequip all weapons from your units and give everyone the granades and some healing/reviving items.
Make sure they still have their weaponskill equiped otherwise the granades dont deal damage.
Now all the doppelgangers dont do anything.
Wait and heal until the boss dosnt trigger "Risk Managemant" and then kill the first phase.
For second phase just dont group up to much and keep throwing grandes till he dies. The final boss was kinda a letdown after I figured that out.
You can also make use of poisoncloud or chronoshift since the AI is not using it even when the doppelgangers got them.
for first phase, go with a lot of healer team so you won't take that much damage and when everyone is cleared but the boss, stall the fight until you collect 3atk+ and 1crit+ on all your dps characters and wait until your mp bar in full, on second phase, frist turn go toward the boss and turn 2 kill him, that's all!
@@bksphantom7867 That can work, just might take a dang long time to get that many spawns.
@@CoffeePotato well, I was stuck on it for more than 5hours on my no incap and no chariot run so I was kinda disposed waiting for the clean kill! lol
I try to diversify my weapons as much as possible, but have been running with a hawkman longbow archer and Arycelle as a ninja trick archer (like your ninja in this video). It's funny because once you hit Ch2 and crafting is unlocked, you gain access to stun and breach on so many weapons that it's kinda unfair.
Meanwhile, the discussion board on Steam is full of people who keep running like 3+ berzerkers complaining about how "OP" the cards are. Like yeah, the scaling damage on cards is going to be a problem when you're running high risk, high reward melee units like berzerkers. Doesn't mean the card system is broken...
People definitely see what they want to see a lot of the time 🤷
The card system is still broken nonetheless, using this example to claim it isn't is wrong ^^
It's a flat +50% damage to whatever your unit's dealing for the Magic and Physical cards, way too much.
I would have nerfed it to +10%, and it would have been a huge boost for the remaining of the encounter.
I also diversify my weapons as much as possible (not running the same weapon twice) as well as playing only one archetype of each class, and i agree the moment you unlock the +1 weapon with all the debuffs with them is the turning point where the game becomes slowly easier =) !
Can't wait for Reborn to be moddable to fix some stuff in a better way One Vision did ! Allowing us to choose which overhaul we want to add will definitely made it the best version ever !
@@Rathalos23 Eh, I still think the damage on cards being OP is debatable. If an enemy is 1-shotting you after picking up 2 cards, they were doing 50% of your hp before any cards, which is more a problem of stats than of the cards.
For example, I was in a battle before where with 2 cards, the boss was able to do 80% of my ninja's hp in 1 hit, but did like 8% to the knight the next turn. The problem there wasn't that the damage was OP, it was that my ninja was out of position and got punished for it.
interesting! How did you change Denam's name though ... ? I thought it was set in Reborn.
Nope, you can change it once you beat the game.
@@CoffeePotato Can you also rename any other unit? I want to rename one of my winged.
What's the best method to farm stat charms?
Elemental Temples
@@CoffeePotato When do I unlock elemental temples? I'm currently at the part of the game where the level cap is 32
@@KLOTEROLEROTAR About there. After the northern push, read about the forts being attacked. Then go and clear out the forts. Then read about the Apocrypha. Then go visit the left center castle to talk to Mreuvra. He will ask if you're a bad enough dude for some elemental nukes. Say it's fine, and he will open up the temples where the forts were, as long as one of his daughters is still alive. Usually you'll at least have Olivia by this point.
@@CoffeePotato thanks for the tip. also I just got tier 3 finishing moves and their power is night and day compared to tier 2. I had trouble dealing with enemies around the 2k health threshold, but tier 3 moves melt them.
@@CoffeePotato btw if I wanna make an absolute chad archer, what should I train them as? I assume different classes get different stat growths
question not really relevant to this video but I figure you're the best person to ask"
what happens in the event you save Catiua but when given the option to let her join the party you refuse to recruit her? does the game treat her as dead for story purposes?
She refuses to leave at that point.
@@CoffeePotato really, so you can't pick no even when you're given the option?
I gave Vyce a permafrost bow and some flying shoes and he actually destroys, especially against wind enemies in potd!
I didn't know my boy Hektor got a model update, generic no more I guess
Yup, dude became all regal.
Interestingly enough an arrow has far more focused power to rip through armor than swords.
Wait you renamed Denam? That's an option in this one?
Yeah, it unlocks once you beat the game once.
This is all well and good, but once level 2 area spells and spell range +2-5 and engulf, casters are better damage and status applicators, and they can do it well ignoring elevations.
Different approaches, but not better. Casters can't guarantee, they can be resisted, even at max hit odds. Archers have two ways to guarantee the debuff gets applied, and can later also damage with debuffs through walls and height. I'm not saying either is directly better, but they both have that on hand. Damage wise, archers can quadruple whatever their normal hit is by chapter 4. They're basically the same ideas, but in reverse. Right unit for the right situation, but they're a lot better than they first seem.
Like...I still have my good ol reliable poison casters and such for general purpose use, but when I want specific things done, the feather heads are very reliable.
@@CoffeePotato I've been experimenting with archer ninja combo. It's been interesting. Using archer for guaranteed pit knock offs is fun. My charmed out Cressida never misses a charm / poison and I don't abuse chariot other than when recruiting units.
Superb 🙏🏾
how to check weapon effect?
with the weapon in hands, in shop or craft tab, select the weapon and then switch tabs (there are many info tabs) until you find it. In PC it's ctrl + d
I just have Sherri charm the enemy healers or big hitters. Easy stuff.
Yup, there's a million ways to do it. I just wanted to show that they're perfectly capable of carrying themselves.
@@CoffeePotato Yeah, love this game. Also, what's with the crystal dragon? Can it be recruited?
and we are going to go ahead to go ahead and stop listing to you keep saying we are going to go ahead.
No, first you need to go ahead, but before the ahead end after the unbefore therefore maybe sometimes occasionally.
Dunno if anyone's in chapter 4 already xD but I forget which choices to recruit her princess kat.
Those choices depend on other choices. If she doesn't show up at the fight, you didn't leave her.
Okay I recruited her xD thanks I waited all the way from 30 minutes ago from now for the answer I'm a patient man. PALACE OF THE DEAD IS WICKED HARD. For me right now I'm only 32 x.x
Aren't all those Basin of Time a waste on such a low level battle?
Would have been more fun with a beast tamer ans his blowgun 😂
Very true, but I wanted to show off the ones folks usually complain about.
Yooo
25 hours into this game, overall a great game. However, the level cap is such a bad design. I get it why they want avoid having your party overlevel and stomp through the battles. But I've had so many battle where I already hit the level cap thus not getting rewards. Sometimes I had to run through 3-5 battles before the cap is raised again, so for those 3-5 battles I feel no progression. Needeless to say, progression is a pretty important aspect of a RPG. Hopefully they come up with some fix to bypass this badly designed mechanic.
I think you may be assuming some things here. I've consistently been able to early level rush with no issues, what rewards do you think you're not getting? If you're following a PSP guide, some drops opened at 30 on that version, but they're fixed this time. Aka in the PSP version, crafting books were from specific units that only sometimes spawned and only could drop them if currently using the high level drop table, triggered at different levels for each area. This time, it's all just on the boss of the area and randomly, if frequently, from Palace of the Dead instead. I think you're misreading something and attributing it to levels. It happens, it's a complicated game like that, this happens with every mechanic every day, but it's not the levels.
I would argue being able to progress the story is rewarding enough. But if you feel unrewarded, try bringing another character along. I have about 18 characters in total that I use. And switch out between, depending on the map layout and enemy comp. Try recruiting a lizard or 2, some more mages, a lizard. They also make good replacements if someone dies.
Look for the latest cheat table on the fearless site. With that you can change the lvl cap, remove buff cards altogether and do other good stuff.
Its a mock trial. Since you will fight enemy with 20+ later in optional dungeon.
@@CoffeePotato By reward, I am talking about looking at tens of thousands of experience goes to waste. It's nothing gaming breaking, but the feeling of seeing your hard earned experience does nothing is not great to say the least.
Archer needed a nerf from psp ver but this is ridiculous. They need 5 times the effort to perform less than average. they are probably one of the weakest class in the game.
Depends on the task you're asking of them. They can reliably do many tasks others can't, and can do them safely. It's all situational, there's no "5 times the effort" when the task varies in it's situation every few seconds.
Thanks for the video. Love all your tips, specially zweinander +1 @Tk