The Indonesian Chinese still grappling with discrimination
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- Опубликовано: 25 окт 2018
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Indonesian Chinese make up just three per cent of the country’s population, but they have played a prominent role in its history. A driving force behind Indonesia’s economic growth, they have also been the target of violent riots and xenophobic sentiment, with many leaving the country where their ancestors have lived for generations. Although they are allowed to express their ethnicity and culture openly again, a resurgence of nationalist sentiments have brought their place in Indonesian society back into question.
"When the economy collapsed, the rich Chinese were blamed and became a target"
Wrong, the poor and middle-class Chinese were targets. The actual rich Chinese fled to Singapore.
Singapore, Malaysia and Australia
Di Malaysia pun ada sejarah hitamnya..Tragedi pembantaian kaum Cina juga
in china (mainland)
80% chinesse are poor class economic
@@aridobleh3982 I'm sorry but your statistic are wrong.
@@Rex-ww4cw in 1981, 88% chinesse are poor class. And Now, there is 17 million peoples mainland chinesse are poor class.
I am an Indonesian chinese myself. We were never raised to think that we’re not Indonesian :)
Me too, I work for the goverment, PNS
@@wahyutyas9581 ok thats quite rare
True my mom even gotten quite offended when i shit talk Indonesia in general although its true like corruption and etc
Even native Indonesian hate other native indonesian, I couldn't help for Chinese, Indian and Arab descendants here.. but.. of course not all Indonesian are bad!!
Wilson ofcourse you are Indonesian , you must tell your right as dignified citizen when any uneducated coward trying to dicrimanate you, teach them how to be good citizen, dont be silent,
Every citiizen are protected by the law of country juridiction, show them your integrity, lots of racist people they are backward people they dont understand what is to be civilized ciizen of independent country, their mind are still occupied by spititual collonialism, full of hatred for no reason, NEVER WAITING THEM TO ACCEPT YOU, DONT ASK THEM TO RESPECT YOU, because they dont posses those kind of feeling and thought, there are much more good Indonesian than the bad ones,
So you are Indonesian, remember this, even amongs the same people to day , they hate each other,
Among the same belief system they hurting each other, the brotherhood of hate wont stay long, their best enemy is amongs themselves, therefore ,,, they creates common enemy to make them became together, they dont even have loyality toward each other,,their brotherhood base on hateful agenda and self benefactor aspect, when there is no more benefit they friendship break, turn in to internal conflict between themselves, they friendship are the enemy of righteouness, cheers, peace be with you all,
This video only shown a glimpse of the discrimination... They should traced back the mass murder on dutch colonial era. And many chinese indonesian helped indonesia gained independence but their name didn't shown inside the history text book.
Thats true
Like geger pecinan
Why are Indonesians racist towards the different-looking ones? Aren't we the same species? Our ancestors evolved for millions of years not for this, seriously.
@zulfikangga saya malaysian sini dulu pun ada dikriminasi
@@woozhi9218 otak ko, 13 mei kaum mana mula dulu, celaka nak menipu
As a chinese indonesian who lived in Medan,Indonesia for 10 years, I can say that the discrimination in indonesia is true, but not all indonesians are like that. I’ve met alot of kind local indonesians throughout the 10 years of living in indonesia and they bahave just like normal human beings.
john nutels where do you live now?
Austin Mclay i live in Australia now as a citizen
And my best friend were Chinese bro 😂 i'm Indonesian but yeah my country ia very racist it's true
@@johnnutels1467
Do you know how to work to other country?as an employee or maybe a director?
the problem is not what the ethnicity is, but the attitude of the people to the state
hongkong rioters who are not proud to be chinese citizenship and even demean the mainland people as "poor educated locust" are better sent back to the UK
chinese descendants who are not proud to be indonesian citizenship and even demean the indigenous people as "poor uneducated" are better sent back to china
do not let the case of singapore escape from malaysia repeat itself, and that will and must be done both by china and indonesia
CASE CLOSED 👌
I'm an Indonesian born Muslim grew up in majority chinese community. A lot of their values and discipline have thought me a lot about life. My teachers, my friends were all chinese descent. There were only 4 muslims in my class yet we always get treated equally. It's sad to see the truth that a lot of my friends will face discrimination through out their lives in ther own country.
please help fight for indonesian chinese rights. its not just discimination, its also the LAWS that treats indonesian chinese as second class citizens. its extremely unfair.
Bless your beautiful heart. your pure heart is made of compassion. free of jealously, free of hatred, free of satanic violence and racism.
I was grown up in a majority Chinese community, and all I've learnt from them is hard work. They are successful because they are hard working.
the problem is not what the ethnicity is, but the attitude of the people to the state
hongkong rioters who are not proud to be chinese citizenship and even demean the mainland people as "poor educated locust" are better sent back to the UK
chinese descendants who are not proud to be indonesian citizenship and even demean the indigenous people as "poor uneducated" are better sent back to china
do not let the case of singapore escape from malaysia repeat itself, and that will and must be done both by china and indonesia
CASE CLOSED 👌
@felix john ko membohong sebelom merdeka nenek moyang ko dh setuju perlembagaan itu. Skrg why ko ckp kamu aniaya ko?????siapa aniaya siapa??kalau ko malaysia why cakap pelat2 lagi??
All these pointless debate and flexing of racial superiority in the comment section shows no talk of hope of reconciliation between majority and minority. I believe the older generations are racist but the coming milennial generations are more open minded and willing to coexist in harmony. I have a dream in the future this gap will be gone, and we can start our part by being nice to others and respectful. Make brothers not war.
Agree. While it is of course true that Chinese Indonesians experience a lot of discrimination, Chinese Indonesians shouldn't close our eyes how racist some Chinese Indonesians can be, especially old people.
what can you expect from a mass media known as controlled opposition of PRC
Agree!
Agree. Singapore should be our role model
@@Lundy.Fastnet.Irish_Sea I agree. I strongly disagree with the statement that because one group has been the subject of some form of discrimination, that they cannot in turn do the same to others.
“We bleed the same color...red. That’s our blood.” “We are the same, humans.”
Underrated comment
When you have green blood: 👁️👄👁️
Jk-
But, up
@@oxiereth136 huh?? Green🤔
I don't pretend to offende anyone, but didn't animals bleed red?
@@kingdomofbird8174 yep
They're like Jews in Germany, worked their way to the upper class, but discriminated against by locals.
jian hendrawan as a person of Vietnamese-Chinese(from my father, actual Kinh blood from my mother) descent I agree with certain points of your argument, although my family does speak fluent Vietnamese and I’m actually better at Vietnamese than Chinese. Although Vietnam is part of the Sinosphere so that does play a role. I don’t think to go as far as killing or attacking people on the street who weren’t doing anything wrong but be the same race as someone who did something seen as wrong or whatever is right at all.
@jian hendrawan ya emang bener ada yg gtu tapi itu juga hanya "the 0.1%" dan berlaku ke semua org. Mau org sunda, jawa mereka jga bsa melakukan yang sama. sehingga mengatakan most s east chinese seperti begitu itu fakta yang salah.
@jian hendrawan yang saya maksud dengan "the 0.1%" bukanlah sebagai jumlah penduduknya namun sebagai "tanda kutip" yaitu 0.1% org yang memiliki kekayaan berlimpah dan tidak hanya termasuk org SE chinese .Selain itu, berpindah negara apabila sudah tidak ingin tinggal di Indonesia, bukanlah sesuatu yang bisa dilakukan oleh most chinese asian yang seperti anda bilang. Hal tersebut membutuhkan uang dan merupakan taruhan atas kelangsungan hidup mereka tersendiri tanpa mata pencharian yang jelas. dan disini tidak ad hubungan sama sekali mengenai scmp atau tidak ,saya hanya mengutarakan pendapat saya tersendiri.
@jian hendrawan saya nggak ngerti maksud tulisan anda apaan.Dan dari mana asal pandangan realitas "budaya" tionghua yang ada katakan. Namun kelihatan jelas anda sudah merasa paling benar dan tidak dapat menerima perbedaan pendapat jadi saya diam saja. 😂
jian hendrawan so as German Jews claimed themselves Germans
Sounds so much like what happened to Jewish people.
jewish indonesians is fine most of them is living in manado and parts of papua province
Yes throughout South East Asia, Chinese are seen as Jews of the east.
Yahudi disini biasa biasa aja
I'm not Chinese and dated Sg guy. But I always feel irritated when non Chinese here in Indo when see Chinese Indo keep saying " eh itu cina". I can't even shut them SMH.
my close friends even keep saying those racial stuff abt them. I really hate it.
@Lisna Aulia
You are kind！Wish less racists
Then point at them and tell them "eh itu babi"
Chill the f out most indo always call people based on their racial trait anyway my friends call me batak all the time no problemo its just how indonesian is
@@abd.tjuliano5829 she has sensitive brain
We need a translator 👌
Up until today i'm still bitter with what happened to ahok. Such a honest and hardworking governor had to be incarcerated because he unintentionally spoke one wrong sentence that angered the muslim majority. If he was an indonesian muslim? He'd get off with simply a slap on the wrist. But because he is a chinese christian, everyone had to demonize him and gang up against him.
Hello it is indonesia. Thats is why indonesia can hardly improve all tyese years. Politics and religion over competency and capability.
forget Ahok, many competent people here in Indonesia not just ahok
ez religion ez politics
Double minority, Chinese and not Moslem
Ahok Lose to a fair election, not because impeached. People choose not to vote him. Btw Ahok came from the party who win the election before the he betrayed the party, it's just normal politics the party itself (gerindra) has a lot of Chinese, even the leader Prabowo is Chinese himself.
Everything changed when the Dutch attacked
right
Only the Avatar mastered all four elements. Only he could stop the ruthless dutch. But when the world needed him most, he vanished. A hundred years have passed and the Dutch is nearing victory in the War. Two years ago, my father and the men of my tribe journeyed to the Earth Kingdom to help fight against the Fire Nation, leaving me and my brother to look after our tribe. Some people believe that the Avatar was never reborn into the Air Nomads, and that the cycle is broken. But I haven't lost hope. I still believe that somehow, the Avatar will return to save the world."
@@epic-zc3oo HAHAHAHHAHA
J'ai fait l'amour avec la mer
J'ai fait l'amour avec la mer
Glad you mentioned what happened to Indonesian Chinese in 98 event here, everyone has been silence about it in Indonesia as if it doesnt really matter.
This is true. I was walking in Malioboro Street (a popular tourism place in Jogjakarta) couple of days ago at night with my native Indonesian female friend. Then some random guy shouted at me "cina!" (Means chinese) which is a word used for offensive purposes if being said like that, coming off from him, directed to me, an Indonesian-Chinese. It's trully sad. Because sometimes I find myself really in love with this country Indonesia, but some poeple in here still question and just don't accept my nationilty as Indonesian. I even promised myself if one day I succed in life I would rather took my whole fam imigrate somewhere where Chinese are welcomed. And thats just so wrong in so many level.
Sabar
I hope you achieve that dream. I've always wanted that too. There is no point in calling a country "home" when the people there don't even accept you
@@zhongyingjun_cnwait, YOU ACTED LIKE YOU WEREN'T INDONESIAN on another comment what are you doing? 😂😂😂
@@TheAnonymousKnightOfJustice Which comment buddy
I'm Indonesian Moslem and I'm still very devastated over Ahok's case. I might be not chinese, but from my perpective, all the persecution that had been done to him was unfair.
I don't get why Indonesian pribumi are so scared over the Chinese Indonesian. We are still the same and having the same history, we are bangsa Indonesia.
Love all my Indonesian Chinese brothers and sisters. Spread love, not hate.
Irene A you know why they did his case like that? that's because he is a threat for the "rat"
That was the mindset of most SEA natives,not just Malays,sadly.
Bless your beautiful heart. your pure heart is made of compassion. free of jealously, free of hatred, free of satanic violence and racism.
Lebay, gak Ada yg takut keles sm Chinese, tp ini warisan jaman penjajahan, apalagi penjajahan belanda itu meninggalkan kerugian teramat besar hingga selama nya..
Maybe we should make all etnies have to learn the other languange like one malaysia , or making race harmony day like singapore....., again....one word.....maybe.....
It is not "nationalist sentiments" --- it's RACISM.
i not like that much talk about politics. but what scmp reporter said is true and accurate. The problem why indonesian and chinese indonesian in indonesia oftenly clash mostly because certain politician like to create clash between them for their own goods just like dutch do.for example indonesian that educated and wise know that governor ahok is no mean to talk bad about indonesian majority religion but his mispoke is exaggerated by certain politician and people to pull him down and to get support. that mostly the case,
Gamers Cinema True? here's fact
1. Do you know who mastermind behind ahok demonstration? he's prabowo (chinese)
2. Do you know who protecting governor ahok? he's president jokowi (javanese muslim)
Its basically 100% politics, and prabowo suspected mastermind behind 98 riot, good people love good chinese, but bad people hate good chinese.
This is so sad! At the end of the day, we are all people so why do we have to draw lines and discriminate against each other?
In college, I knew an Indonesian Chinese guy and he was one of the nicest guys ever. I still remember the riots back then against Chinese Indonesians. I truly hope that history does not repeat itself.
Sadly history repeats itself and one day this might happen again someway and somehow
@Greed Unlimited racist, SHAME ON U
@@woi2864 yea, with another race
Greed Unlimited No I do not you evil moron! Where the hell did I say that? You said it!
Greed Unlimited calm urself first and then comment, don't comment with such anger, it reveals your stupidity
it's cant deny that indonesian and malaysia melayu are the most violent people after japanese, they killed the chinese include family, children and infrant cruelty without any reason especially incident May 1998 riots of Indonesia and 13 May incident in Malaysia
may the soul rest in peace
there's no such thing as Indonesian race...Indonesia is not a race but nationality with more than 1.300different ethics and race...maybe ur talking abt indonesia's majority the javanese...the malays are coward unlike brave javanese
The 13 May happened very long time ago in Malaysia. Now the Malays and Chinese live with peace unlike in Indonesia, the Indonesians still doesn't like the Chinese. I'm afraid they will go berserk again and try to remove the Chinese in Indonesia like before
@@user-vh4zp8wj6s we are living in a harmony now, a lot of people has open their brain especially young generations that Chinese-Indonesian are Indonesians. Chinese-Indonesians can also speak Indonesian fluently. But racist people still exist even in Malaysia.
Thank you very very much SCMP. Please make more journalism about this topic.
SCMP should also make a journalism on discrimination against Malaysian Chinese as well.
I am a proud Indonesian chinese but still they call me "china" with full of hatred even though I was born and raised in Indonesia. despite all of that Indonesia will always be my beloved homeland.
Come to Manado. Where you will find it very different than most of the region here. You will be welcomed by us even if you are Chinese
+Important guy commenting
It won't if the government can stop those provocative group to make Indonesians become more racist. It is the matter of education. Take this example. Back then, almost parts of Indonesia have a really friendly natives. In fact, they received many influence from China and India. These things won't happen if the natives back then were all racist. If you watched the video again you know that the genocide thing happened only in Jakarta and Medan. And you also know these things started from the colonial government of Netherlands. Government of Indonesia back then was more like at dictatorship rule. And you know, he can always do what he wants. Region outside Java and some parts of Sumatera are ok with Chinese. When the riots happened those regions are completely safe even though naturally, Chinese people do become a bit paranoid about it.
*'cino'
What's wrong with being called "China"? I laugh at their ignorance and stupidity every time someone is trying to be racist to me.
Goes to European or america ppl still keep in shout like that. LoL
Im chinese born and raised in the Philippines. Thank God the people here are kind and sweet to foreigners😁😁
I tot the native of every country hated and blamed Chinese cos they work harder and richer
@@yokoliu8936 ikr just because of wealth people are jealous of the wealth we accumulated over the years of hard work
@Madara MLthis Indonesia incident same case in Malaysia may 1963 incident whr malay looted and killed chinese here cos they blamed Chinese just because we more successful than them. Such a shameful racial issue. Not to mention malaysia also same time they killed chinese cos of business monopoly and success.Not only there even in America back in 1871 chinese immigrants who went there to build railway and seek better opportunity were massacred and robbed. Their businesses were burned down and destroyed and looted as well. There is a saying wherever there's water there will be chinese people. They only looking for better future becos they so hardworking and determine and always think ahead. In the end they just being the one to blame..
@@yokoliu8936 because they don't have the Chinese blood which is fill with hard work and sweat to build see most SEA country won't be successful if it weren't for the Chinese people of their country and treating them with disrespect just made me really mad
Madara ML true I agree with you. Chinese helped to build SEA economy . So far the only country really appreciate chinese is Thailand . Thai Chinese are a well established middle class ethnic group and are well represented in all levels of Thai society.Thai Chinese also play a leading role in Thailand's business sector and dominate the Thai economy today. If u read bout chinese in every country in Asia they really helped bringing up the economy because of their hard work and business minded. When u let a country ruled by Chinese look at ,hkg, Taiwan or Singapore with all or majority Chinese descendant . Last but not least not to forget we all chinese and our great grandparents came from China .the awaken dragon and if they managed to rule the world back in the ancient time through maritime exploration way before Columbus it will surely once again.. I’m really proud to be chinese even with different nationality country now:)
Honestly I’m glad I live in a normal and respectful environment and never experienced racism.
What do you mean by "you're literally what/who is in the video"?
I'm indonesian tionghoa. I always cry hearing national anthem like tanah airku, indonesia pusaka, indonesia jaya, besatulah indonesia.. seriously there's nothing wrong with it, we're truly blessed to be part of this beautiful heritage no matter how bad our past is...
@@caesar7786 no there is no Indonesian race, Indonesia is a united of all races that live in Indonesia
glad living in surabaya, thats why so many crazy rich surabaya than jakarta
@@Leon-dx4jc iya tapi sering sering berbaur ya neng.. Malas juga liat org tengkar terus.. Bosan🙄..
@@antoverstappenburik3711 Jgn cuma nyuruh2 orang cina berbaur, lu sebagai pribumi juga inisiatif. 30 tahun lebih gue hidup di Indo orang pribumi jarang banget ajak gue bergaul. Alasannya biasanya "oh gue cuma males ntar ditolak ama lu" lah berarti elu yg udh prasangka buruk sebelum ngajak berbaur. Terus, gak semua orang ya, tapi jgn ngeliat orang Cina langsung mikirin duit. Gue ulang, gak semua orang, tapi banyak temen pribumi gue yg suka minta-minta minjem duit. Gue juga bukan bank kali. Terus ga enak kan kalo gue harus nolak permintaan orang, ntar orang Cina dicap pelit lagi. Mau berbaur jgn ada unsur-unsur keuangannya lah pokoknya.
@@bernardle356 sebenarnya enggak semua sih bang. gw pribumi tapi merangkul orang tionghoa juga kok. walau temen2 gw cuman middle class tionghoa tapi gw respek banget asli ama mereka karena lebih nasionalis ke negara ketimbang bangsa nya sendiri. kalau gw lihat etnis china di malaysia itu mereka gak pernah sama sekali patriot ama negaranya sendiri atau bahkan pake bahasa melayu.. tapi disini lu bisa ngelihat etnis tionghoa medok jawa atau medok sunda wkwk
Blaming Chinese for economic hardship is the easiest thing to do.
Blaming ur parents for making you exist is even easier to do.
@@Your_Beautiful_Sister_Is_Mine dia bermaksud sarkas atu 🤦♂️
I hope discrimination in Indonesia will end soon. No more racism and everyone is holding hands together without looking at their races or ethnicity.
THIS
this is one reason why I wanted to get off to another country purely because of this
Malaysia has it as bad, if not worse than Indonesia
Immigrate here to Burkina Faso! There's almost no racial discrimination over here.
Me too
then just do it, whats the problem
@@LTyche then just do it, whats the problem
No fanatic Muslim = no hatred no jealousy no war ---> peace
Indonesian fanatic Muslim only believe islam should exist in the world and others religion is fake. And they blame every failure on Christian or Chinese... They easily get jealous about others success and saying " they success because they don't follow God commandment like us, they can do it because they doing HARAM business or stuff, but nevermind, we will go to heaven and have 72 years old virgin. " This mindset in Indonesian fanatic muslim mind ruin their future because they said everything is God will, and this make them left behind and out of the competition, at last they said the Chinese taken their rights and they kill the Chinese again like what they did in the past...They should think back and reflect their own mistakes and not blaming other races.
True, but only the fanatic one
We learn a lot about the beauty coexistence in oure Islamic law. if muslim was fanatic, they would understand this.
True !
No Chinese = World Peace
i am indonesian, and also a moslem, but i swear, chinese traditional food are the best! especially "kue keranjang"
Is that Chinese traditional food?I have never heard about that.
@@user-lv9om9iq1t thats 年糕 in indonesian language
@@ziyanglow289 👌we call it CiBa（糍粑） in my hometown.
@@user-lv9om9iq1t CiBa? I feel like hokkien people like to joke about that name
Chinese are hardworking people, most ethical Chinese live a better life than others in Southeast Asia because of that. But this shouldn’t be the reason that there are beings discriminated.
yeah just ethnic conflict
Pulang aja ke mainland biar gak ada keributan 😆
@@Adrien_567 印尼人蠢就是蠢，让美国殖民一下就好了，让别的国家屠杀一下就好了，智商低下的人群
Wish Indonesian Chinese have a peaceful and safe life and are treated fairly
Sadly, no.
many would‘ve spit from our back.
Yes we are now peaceful with the chinese
Les Miserable that not true do you know WHO make the chinese new year a holiday and their religion of the state a muslim preacher and the 4 president
@@arrielradja5522 and even that muslim preacher is being challenged by other people only for the goos things he did. Now everyone knows that what he said in the past becomes a reality in the present, after all.
am chinese indonesian, and am living well with a lot of other races like javanese, dayak, sundanese, malay, arabian, and so on.. i don't face any discrimination as far as I observe, they are all my friends..
even though we are chinese we don't speak chinese , i have more native indonesian freinds who are better at chinese than me and my chinese indo friends we rarely practice chinese traditions , it's only our skins , inside were indonesian.
actually many Indonesian public schools (SMP/SMA negeri) taught mandarin as their foreign language subject. There's nothing wrong to learn Chinese, Indonesia itself is one of the biggest foreign workers and students in China.
@@PissMenn only Tionghoa in Java can't speak Chinese, most in Sumatra and kalimantan can speak dialects, even being the first language and Indonesian being the second language in their lives
I’m really shocked at how Chinese Indonesians are portrayed on RUclips... It seems like Chinese Indonesians are still discriminated. I’m partly Chinese, I look Chinese, my mom is Chinese Indonesian but we have never gotten one racist comment in our lifetime. Most of my friends are Chinese Indonesians and they walk around Jakarta comfortably. Sure, 1998 was anti-chinese and horrifying, but I think it’s different this time. Me and my friends use the MRT, Bus, Gojek (motorcycle taxi) and we’re treated like all other Indonesians are treated. Maybe in less developed areas racism prevails, but in Jakarta, I don’t think so. Many of my “native” friends and family post “happy chinese new year”. A lot of politicians are Chinese now (Hary Tanoesudibjo, Ignasius Jonan, Grace Natalie, unfortunantely not Ahok), and many celebrities are Chinese Indonesians. Jonathan Christie, a Chinese Indonesian Badminton Champion is a HUGE sensation in Indonesia, and many “native” Indonesians have a crush on him. His face is everywhere. So, I think the media might be exaggerating a bit. Just because a tiny insignificant Indonesian minority is racist, doesn’t mean that racism happens often. And I’m 110% sure that if ONE person is racist to a Chinese Indonesian, TEN people will be there to defend him. Hate this comment all you want, I speak from my personal experience and the experience of hundreds of Chinese Indonesians I know.
But there are still many conspiracy theories about Indonesian Chinese, like for example "They will rule the Indonesian economy and trade." with an inappropriate sentence like "Ganyang Cina," etc. I hate that so much. Why do people from 1 ethnic hate another ethnic based on their ethnic.
@@u6848 trust us theyre just a few but sometimes the few can be the loudest,how come nearly half of jakartans voted for ahok on last election if they hated chinese indonesians
@@m33a but still, racism is still exist, we cant deny that.
Just because it hasn't happened to you, or your friends, doesn't mean that the experiences of people who first-handedly experienced racism less detrimental or 'exaggerated'.
Rizki. That’s ok, I have seen a lot of racism towards me a chinese in the uk.
I am an Indonesian-Chinese and yeah I sometimes experience some sort of discrimination.
@arif mark007 you dont look like java nor dutch. you look chinese.
Biasa aja.. Gua org indo juga gitu walau bukan china
@@bct4425 Bukan berarti orang yang bukan keturunan tiongkok ngga di-diskriminasi juga, masalahnya orang yang berketurunan tiongkok itu di-diskriminasi sebagian besar KARENA mereka itu tiongkok diatas hal2 yang lain. Masalah diskriminasi karena penampilan, ekonomis, dll. Itu biasa, tapi untuk orang tiongkok mereka di-diskriminasikan lebih lagi karena mereka terlahir sebagai keturunan tiongkok
@@ellaineamanda8326 中国人呢不歧视华裔，还有华人比印尼人更聪明，
The colonizer made a problem by splitting the chinese and native indo.
Yeah you're right
Everything changed when the Dutch attacked
The colonizer recognized, and did not create, the split.
NKRI = Successor of the Dutch East Indies 100% made by the Netherlands. Indonesian madein the netherland. Indonesian words alone are not from the native language. NKRI = Successor of the Dutch East Indies 100% made in the Netherlands. Indonesian madein the netherland. Indonesian words alone are not from the native language. Indonesia = indie = India. Rupiah currency. In India Rupi. Indonesian language comes from the Malay language of Batavia, the language in the Dutch East Indies government center. so that the Netherlands can communicate with all tribes in the Dutch East Indies.
@Chang Chang, you need to Chang that attitude.
I am a Chinese Indonesian myself, when I heard mentions of the events of 98 and of the mandatory name changing, it suddenly clicked why my family has, what I thought to be, such a strange 'passing down of surnames'.
Our family name is 'Zhang', but my older cousins have 'Sugianto' as their registered surnames on their birth certificates (they were born in 1997-2000) along with two of my uncles. I had thought "Where did the name Sugianto come from?"
My registered surname is 'Tiu' which is a version of 'Zhang'. And I speculate that is because I am one of the younger generations. I was born in a later time in the 2000s
I just thought that realization was fascinating
@BlackBannerz Shut up you prejudice imbecile
张 or 章 could be ur family name in Chinese
Serious question. Do the Chindos not taught anything about the massacre in school? Because you mentioned you did not know why and only knew when people mention it.
@@melzer1377What do you expect from the Indonesian curriculum? Indonesians always try to cover up their dark past
@@zhongyingjun_cnyou liked your own comment didn't you? Well I answered a more accurate question for you.
As Chinese who born in Indonesia. I get constant discrimination. Even at school. The teacher asked me "Name one ethnic group in Indonesia." And I answer "Tiong Hoa". He gave me a grudging face directly at me. He knows I'm Chinese and always giving me a weird face whenever he sees me.
I sometimes wonder why am I even live in Indonesia if they don't accepts me as normal people.
Cina kok tdk mau disebut cina....?. memangnya muka kamu itu sprti org arab atau eropah...?
@@nissannismo4007 dasar rasis
@@ayulintang0499 sumimasen 🙏
Ya balik aja ke mainland
@@wiryonoagus Yg dipermasalahkan adalah diskriminasi, bukan sebutan Cina.
As a Indonesian Chinese lived in Pekanbaru, riau. Discrimation Must End because It destroying tradition of our culture and Life in indonesia, And I say
END DISCRIMINATION IN INDONESIA
@ARINA FANILLA gk semua, saya punya temen etnis tionghoa gk pernah ada diskriminasi sm mereka
As a bataknese in Indonesia, i can confirm that some of us are sometimes a little racist towards karonese. But racism will never end just like how every bad things in this world will never stop happening. This world is unfair and people will do bad things to each other. A perfect world is a utopia that will not exist. But remember, not everyone are bad people. The least we can do is decrease the bad things that are happening. Just be a decent person to each other and bad people will be bad people. They will receive retribution someday.
Prayers for lion air victims.may them rest in peace and my utmost condolences for victims' families and friends.
Chinese Indonesian here, thankfully I live in a tolerant small town here in Borneo, heck even my classmates consist of javanese, dayaknese, and chinese people and we're okay with that, there's no discrimination among us here
@arif mark007 dia bahkan g ngomong jelek ngapain anda nge gas? Gtau arti bahasa inggris? Shame of you
@Indonesia Fascist Movement mending gk usah komen dripada memalukan diri sendiri dengan kebodohan dan pikiran rasismu dude. Memalukan!
@Indonesia Javanese belajar bahasa inggris dulu baru komen... Si bodoh
@Indonesia Javanese hahahhH ngomong apaan gak nyambung
@Java Supremacy jancok ngisin2i wong jowo ae
This is why I'm glad my family left the country 28 years ago. The US is not perfect but my family has had opportunities here that we would not have had in Indonesia.
Cakap BI bisa ga nih?
My command of Bahasa is very limited
Indonesia is democratic country now, u never return to here?
??? US also racist towards asian. There is no american born chinese billionaire in US unlike in Indonesuan
Now america racism #black matters
I’m not sugarcoating or anything but it’s true. I was taught to be respectful to every culture and race there is but there’s this one time while I was on my way back home from school. There are a few elementary school kids cursing at me although i didn’t do anything and they said “F**king Chinese” in Indonesian. I was shocked, I thought what were their parents teaching them that made them say that to me. I didn’t do anything to them ofc, you should be a gentlemen and just leave them be. By the end of this year i’m moving out and I couldn’t be happier hope my fellow Chinese Indonesian friends can move if u have the funds and just stay safe.
Honestly, after Ahok case, even as part of an indigenous (minority), i started to lost my pride as indonesian, because from that case i realize in some point my beloved nation is just "sick".
frank lloyd they can not, they are not Chinese citizens
putu isnt chinese, hes native
You do know Ahok is a racist right, you follow his case, why would you defend a racist. In America they jailed people who are racist, so Indonesia is doing the right thing. Ahok is reincarnation of the racist old fart Lee Kuan Yew.
kenakaren lee kuan yee is smart and make Singapore great. Now I know why Indonesia still so poor.
Lky isnt a racist. government employment in sg is based on merit and performance
hello im one of the chinese from indonesia, the discrimination is so true in the past but today its different, i do not feel discriminated at all and i feel im equally treated just like other Indonesians, although theres's still some discrimination and some stereotype that chinese minority here is generally rich but we're mostly live pretty decent just like other Indonesians. today the chinese only make 1.2% of the total population
Thanks For Your Comment!
FOR ALL OF YOU WHO DON'T KNOW INDONESIA IN THAT DAY 1998 AND NOWADAY, THAT DAY IS DARKNESS TIME IN INDONESIA BUT EVIL PERSONS HAVE RESPONSIBLE FOR THAT TRAGEDY, AND THAT'S NOT ONLY BECAUSE OF CHINESE BUT ALSO ECONOMIC FACTOR. WE ARE INDONESIANS NO MATTER YOUR COLOR, YOUR RACE, YOUR RELIGION.
DIVERSITY IN ONE
They hate Chinese but they doesnt know Chinese History. mohon dimaafkan ya.
(Edit) : mereka Yang rasis itu tidak terlalu pintar
Tidak terlalu pintar mending di ganti kata bodoh , Karena tidak terlalu pintar bisa di ubah tapi kalau rasis itu bisa dianggap bodoh
Can we chinese indonesian go back to China? Because i really want to.
Yakin? Emang enak tinggal d negara komunis? Wkwkwkkwkwkwkwk
we welcome you back China is not a perfect country
，but China is doing better than most countries
.
@@dipper3873 really? Communism?
Yg di china asli nya saja banyak migran ke nagara luar, bahkan hongkong dan taiwan saja tidak suka dg negara china lu malah mau ke china, yakin lu klo disana bakal aman dan diterima ? 😂
@@dawudsajo4446 dia kok betah y tinggal d negara komunis yg apa² diawasi? Wkkwkwkwkwkkwkwkwk
Its like this everywhere. People are people, why cant we all see that we are the same.
after read the comments, i am motivated to learn japanese language to speed up the process to get japan citizenship so i can get from this hypocrite nation, most of the netizen overproud when some famous people from the west mention anything related to indonesia but at the same time they hated the west especially US even making some tremendously foolish conspiracy. Also there is morality law but what the healthy law, the law the punish the bad ones and not the otherwise?
Susah2 pahlawan berjuang merdekakan negara, orang satu ini malah mau belajar bukannya memajukan tapi biar kabur ke negara lain
Gak malu apa bang benci negara sendiri? Sejarah budaya dan negara kita ini kaya raya, nenek moyabg kita pelaut dan arsitek hebat, bisa dilihat dari candi borobudur prambanan dll, jepang punya candi di sejarahnya? Jangan sekali2 merendahkan negaramu
Malu2in bos asli, nenek moyangmu itu hebat, bangsamu itu hebat, negaramu itu hebat, jangan merendahkan negaramu sendiri namanya pengkhianat
I'm from the Philippines, we treat the Chinese right, Luzon is where the Chinese live mostly along with some Japanese, if you are a Chinese, you are welcome here, you are free to do any Chinese activities without discrimination of the public
Really?
Thank you Philippines from China🙏💛I love your country
Yea thanks to chinese occupation
@@mahika2302 Mass media brainwashed
Bllsht!! Phillpine also have racist to chinese and indian ethnic!!
Dont act like u guys are an angel!!
The historical context you've provided sheds light on the deep-rooted challenges faced by Chinese Indonesians and the traumatic experiences they endured during periods of political turmoil and social unrest. It's heartbreaking to hear about the injustices and discrimination suffered by the community.
For future generations of Chinese Indonesians, it's crucial to acknowledge the reality of the past while also looking towards a better future. Encouraging them to pursue education and opportunities abroad can be framed as a way to ensure their safety, personal growth, and access to a broader range of opportunities. Emphasizing the importance of understanding their heritage and cultural identity while also advocating for their rights and safety in a global context is essential.
Encourage them to be aware of their surroundings, to prioritize their safety, and to seek opportunities that allow them to thrive without fear of discrimination or violence.
I agree
my mom went to the big university trisakti when the protests happened really sad and horrible what they did to those people
I was not born during that. My parents and aunt had to go through that. My aunt was sent to Singapore but my parents hid and was protected by police. thankfully nothing happened to them. rest in peace for the people we lost during this incident
The hatred has been planted since we born, both indonesian chinese and indonesian melayu. It will took hundred of years to wipe out this hatred through alot of effort. I never hated Indonesian until I got into school and got bullied, robbed and threated. Its really so sad for me that I hate my own country yet love it in the same time.
My mother is a Chinese Indonesian but I had no idea all this happened
English is not my native language so please be patient with my English.
Chinese Indonesian huh, I always find it kind of hard to talk to Chinese Indonesian as I knew about what had happened on 98. I always tense during the entire conversation wondering if they gonna get uncomfortable if I talk to them. Yeah not a smart choice but I guess we just never really make up on national scale or something so I'm just being really careful around them.
Honestly I hope we can have a better story to tell each others when we talk about our life in our country but I don't know how to fix the past and build trust among us other than spending few generations, taking any small steps that present itself etc.
It's happening in every country actualy not just between chinese and infonesian.. it's normal.. more over in developed country. Even if in future after the country prosperous.. discrimination even more epic even no more anarchy
Jimmy nathan Racism does exist in every part of the world not just china or malaysia. It is a common bad human trait that we possessed throughout the history. But the difference is that in most developed countries like australia, us or canada, the citizens generally tend to act more civilized due to their education level whereas the majority of the indonesians are not really educated/civilized they tend to act aggressively towards other ethnicity and the worst part is that the government is actually supporting them to do this kind of stuff
@@austinmclay9817 Now america pie😂🤣
@@austinmclay9817 The US is called one of the smartest countries google said yet every type of racism exists go to Texas you'll see Muslim hate Chinese hate black people hate US is no better too as a "developed country" the UK problem is lighter than US problem but thats because of the small population it is still a problem there.
The funny part is The Indonesian Chinese now is the beacon/keeper of Native Indonesian Culture of Buddhist and Hindus heritage. Since the Native Indonesian are majority Muslims and they dont want to continue their ancestor Hindus/Buddhist cultures anymore.. so thats why you see many Chinese Indonesian wearing Kebaya, Batik and coosk Indonesian foods. Etc
I hope that i could see optimistic changes about these issues ... but tbh i'm not optimistic
Discrimination is still a concerning issue in Indonesia especially to a minority like Chinese-indo, Many said that they don't see much it's because is hidden underneath and become public secret if u not paying attention closely u will not recognize it and discrimination in Indonesia still in a dangerous lvl even a life-threatening one is not often see but it's not rare to happen too and the famous recent example is the 2016 demonstration against gov ahok that full of racial discrimination messages. For now there aren't much we can do except protect each other in our vulnerable minority group.
Are u chinese?
Get out of Indonesia if you don't like it
@@caesar7786 im sure you are not even indonesian lol
@@Leon-dx4jc i'm Indonesian
@@caesar7786 speak indo then
So now you understand why tsunami hit Indonesia in 2018 , that is call karma
Did you seriously just condemn innocent people that lost their life and their home over something that some/most of them never did? That is just being petty.
Even now still happen in jakarta governor in jail cause saying there is a politician using religion and his Chinese side.. well done my country
Ah come on don't be silly. When the time has come for you guys(indon) kutuk Malaysia all united as one
Oh i didn't know that. I thought it happen only to people from eastern indonesia.
eatern indonesia are indeed more vulnerable.. but we are gonna pass this, and we'll keep stronger and united more than ever!! am really positive about this
never tried feng shui or the lion dance... might be fun..
In Indonesia and Malaysia, chinese is discriminate heavily even being killed. Leaving that forsaken countries is the best choices
You know it's long long time ago right, it's already very peaceful here. Calling my country forsaken when you don't even know our history is very ignorant
It's The Past, Not Anymore
Yes, it still and will be happening again in the future. Chinese people must strengthen their solidarity among them if they want to survive in Indonesia.
I'm currently learning Mandarin, I hope one day I can live safely in Singapore, Taiwan, or Mainland China
@@zhongyingjun_cnman Indonesia is modern right now and chindos are well accepted why would you leave the country? 😢
That Just Our bad History in 1998 because Crisis Economy in this time our Chinese etnich never get Discrimination again👍
I'm surprised about this.
if anything I heard the number is about 15,000,000.
and the Indonesian Chinese that I've met in Shanghai are extremely rich
The problem with humanity is that we have not evolved much socially. We still have a primitive tribal mentality and it’s not necessary in this age of globalization.
2:55 my dad owns a safety shop near there
I’m gonna destroy it MUHAHAHA
If your are Chinese Buddhist lives in Indonesia, you have a problem, please come to India, Hindustan will only safe place for Buddisum 🙏🙏🙏
I never knew that Indonesians are racist I'm very upset about this also the Malaysians hate the chinese. This is so bad☹️
Both had different story my Friend 😂 #because political agenda
Most of Malays dont hate Chinese, only brainwashed radicals do.
Please for people in the comment, don't just biased something that you don't really know
Indonesia should be thankful to many Badminton athletes who were Chinese descendants such as Susi Susanti Alan Budikusuma, Minions, etc
Anthony ginting nyimak:v
Chinese indonesian are pretty much stateless. They’re not indonesian enough and can’t fit in chinese society due to cultural suppression (language barrier) over 3 decades. Definitely at large disadvantage compared to chinese singaporean or malaysian or even chinese pinoy.
Short but ful of information
FACT : They even consider you are a foreigner if you live in diff district. They are so territorial.
Basically chinese indonesian and native is just like american/european relationship with jews
When the narrator says "china kecil" he sounds like Dutch colonial's officers.. 😆
because back then it was forbidden (suharto era) to become Government Employee (GE) especially as police forces, but silently they can enroll as GE, but with indonesian name (i have a senior colleague as a trainer in trade ministry training & education center, she is chinese but with javanese name, she is retired) but now you can find chinese GE with chinese name
The nail that sticks up gets hammered down.
my grandmother from my mother's side is Chinese, and her husband is Malay. My grandmother was raised by her Malay parents since she was young, and has never met her real parents. Living in Singkawang, as a city where the majority are Chinese and Malay, I feel that there is very little conflict between the people, and that too can be resolved without violence. we used to call them "cine," but not with hatred or racist intent. Seeing tolerance in this city makes me very proud of the whole community. Many Chinese people here still use Chinese names. And I rarely meet those who use Javanese names. I hope that this peace will last forever, and that there will never be conflicts that divide us.
enak hidup di Bali masbro tanpa rasis..semoga semua propinsi di indonesia bisa toleransi tidak lagi berpikir premitif kaku !!
betul. Bali mm g anti Cina
Discrimination Will always be there, no matter if you were Chinese, jews, black, muslims or what ever that considered different or minority to others.. but hey don't judge as if you know everything about it.. in this case about Indonesia.
Economy is the foundation of education, sport, and technology. Poverty was the reason why kids can't get education, why sport is still national-range and not international-range, and technology is still people's workforces. That's the reason why corruption and anarchy are still slowed indonesia's economy down.
It's pity that Chinese ethnic got discrimination in Indonesia. But why only Chinese? Why Arabians and Indian ethic didn't get violence and discrimination abuse? Ask straight to Indonesian Native. Don't 100% trust media. Especially Chinese South China morning post media
because they rich ? dominate the economy ? jelousy ? i understand im from malaysia its the same
@@stephenlee3911 not All the Chinese are rich. Stop with your nonsense. There are also a lot of poor Chinese. In Indonesia especially in singkawang and pontianak in borneo city. All of Chinese even they are poor or rich they try to closed relationship only for their communities. They build school for their kind and build resident only for their kind. And All your Chinese always thinking that we are native jealous? Trust me you will never long time became residents of that country if you are never open minded relationship with native. That case never happened for Arabic ethnic or Indians ethnic
@@harrykumoro4335 nope . I had alot of local native friend I myself a half chinese half local native , to have a crazy and nice friend find the local people , want a friend who will find an oppurtunity to success find a chinese friends . But we here also in borneo had not much discrimination and we assimilate well here , diffrent story in peninsular side . Im from malaysia btw . I would say only 10% local people do a bussines not connected with food@restaurant .
@@stephenlee3911 So are all Chinese very successful as you claimed? Maybe the no play time and not ‘wasting’ time causes them to be always so stressed up, rude to others. There are a lot of Malaysian Chinese engaging in every illegal activities and corrupting authorities and government officials. Plus, your race become rich through lots of manipulation, lies and deceit. Nothing to be respected about
@@Han1b33 all those u claim above also done by locals . Yes they did illegal stuff which we didnt encourage some1 within our family to even think of doing it . Same goes to the locals . In comparison the chinese ethnic only make up around 20% of the population here , and the fact that 80% of the economic distributed by the chinese, and that built this country economy today .
WKWKWK land is truly something else.
Fun fact : one of the best Indonesian badminton player Susi Susanti was Indonesian-Chinese
I'm Indonesia born of muslim Chinese my mom she from Indonesian and my dad him from Chinese so recommended voice of Indonesian Chinese technical in mean I'm chindo
I don't said all local people (Indonesian Ethic) would treat Chinese Indonesian like me with Discrimination .But that's true if there's still some of those people who didn't care our Identity as Indonesian🇮🇩cuz our face was Chinese from born ,They looked us different like we're criminal even we represent Indonesia from Our Heart
I'm indonesian myself and I do celebrate Chinese tradition and stuff
even none of my family are Chinese
i thank God that chinese is blessed with wealth . if not who know what will happen to the chinese . indonesia is not an advance country .. most of the people are backward religion frenzy
Kalau gitu balik aja sono ke cina daratan. Ngapain juga ngatain negeri sendiri begitu. Udah jelas kalian masih bermental tamu. Kalau negara ada Masalah paling kalian kabur ke luar negeri. Beda sama kami kalau negara kami Hancur atau di jajah akan membela tanah air kami sampai titik darah penghabisan
If the problem would make our entire families get killed like in 1998 and there is no assurance from the local authorities, the only way was to move to other country outside Indonesia..if you say we chinesse didn't do anything for the indonesian independence, you should read history..
@@harrykumoro4335 dear indon ... learn english and then we discuss
@Gula roos if u serious about this i will ... because i rather live in australia as a farmer rather than this
@@michaelgustaf3957 dude chinese did something with independece we all know that . but do you think the pribumi will acknowledge that ? o hell no ... they just want to hate hate and hate they need someone to blame for their lazyness ...
I remember growing up I proudly would call myself Chinese-Indonesian only to be questioned because the rest of my family would disliked identifying like that in public.
Is it because you used the word Chinese?
I've expirienced this discrimination, I went to the cinema and happened to sit next to a kid that's not chinese ethnicity. The kid was looking/staring at me so I just kindly smile and say hi to her, the mom who sit besides her was looking at me at disgusted and swap places with her kid. She sat like it's very obvious she is trying to avoid me, not long after she moved seats at an empty chair below her, thennot long after that the entire family left the cinema.
idk what is her problem, but all i did was saying hi to her kid cuz she was staring at me.
I'm Not A Chinese, But That Happened To Me To Apparently. Probably Their Parents Thought That We're Creeps. Lol
"totally a hololive SIMP"
the username checked ✔️
the moms doing it right to swap places with her kid, trying to avoid you.
Why should the Chinese nation suffer such disasters? On the one hand, overseas Chinese suffer racial discrimination and massacre; on the other hand, China's domestic cultural revolution took place in the 1960s. This is a nation in distress!
民族劫难
They are majority muslim country what do you expect, Muslim in indonesia are discriminating nonmuslim also they are very racist and doesn't have manner
So true
Indonesian barberian
👍
Even I all the times being called "Chinese" yet I don't have direct chinese ancestry, my eyes just happen to be like them.
Its quitte common in asiatic race
Same tho, even my sister experience that. She and I were natives anyway.
From what I know in Jogjakarta not only Chinese who banned to own land there but it for all other people from outside Jogjakarta, including Javanese and other races for any purposes.
Yeah. That's it.
No ,thats not true most of my university friends buy land here in jogja
It's for their own "Kingdom's decent" purpose, I heard. Only for those who pure born in Yogya able to own land there. Does Yogya trying to copy British Kingdom's style ? 😆
Yogyakarta holds special status, thus its name is the Special Region of Ypgyakarta
Yaiyalah pemimpinya kan sultan. Punya urusan senidiri peraturan sendiri
I am Chinese Indonesian, I grew among Indonesian worker, I worked for them, I worked together with them, I befriend them, they're now far richer than me. Yet here I am now, jobless and couldn't find any job because I am chinese. But I dont want to hate them, it's the native's behavior that I dont understand, they used most of my destiny yet thrown me out until I have no use. The point is, how much difference in arrogant are you natives compare to other rich Chinese then ?
So, arrogancy rate is not based on race, its based on their level in society, are we clear ?
Muslim countries are filled with entitled intolerant people, yet would cry racism if they would live in non-muslim countries.
Gk semua orang gitu
Coba pindah ke jakarta
1997-2004
Indonesia : What Happen To my Beautiful Country
Probably violent can solve that even has no result, today discrimination against Chinese is strongly still exist