+Darryl Philbrick Whenever I get to this part of the game, I never click on the paragon or renegade interrupts. As far as I care, THIS is the canon ending to this conversation.
It did, but it was consoled by the knowledge that it's brethren would still wipe out Shepard and everyone else. -it's a bit unclear how much individuality they had.
"We did it, we killed a Reaper" "There's thousands of them, Tali" "Dammit" That moment when you do something nigh impossible, ad then you turn around and you see that you have to do it again thousands of times more.
Try billion times a billion more. Like Sovereign said: "Our numbers will darken the sky of every world" .. And at the end of ME3 the entire Milky Way Galaxy is overrun by Reapers... And our galaxy is extremely huge with billions upon billions of planets. So... Do the math.
@Waifu Wielder exactly!! Even after brokering a peace that would’ve never been possible before you look at the map and go “Welp, half the galaxy is still being pillaged raw so it doesn’t even matter”
Really liked this encounter with the reapers... This one has the same emotionless voice as Sovereign had + Sovereigns theme just makes everything better.
Mathias Kristensen He isn't cold and emotionless like sovrigen, he's fatalistic and resigned. Like he wishes there were an alternative but there isn't one.
Joseph McKay I like to think the personality of each individual reaper is slightly different based on it's harvested race... Exceptionally powerful races become the really arrogant Reapers like Sovereign and Harbinger... the more peaceful races become Reapers more like this one.
I like all encounters with reapers -I love their attitude: "This is how it's going to be, your opinion is irrelevant and uninteresting, we make a tremendous personal sacrifice just by communicating with you."
Sovereign must of been melted down from a race of psychopaths because he is a cold SOB. In my head his voice and demeanour is the very best representation of an Alien AI. Totally foreign with a frame of reference so different. Sovereign say it best himself, "Rudimentary creatures of blood and flesh, you touch my mind fumbling in ignorance, incapable of understanding..." Sovereigns voice is exactly how a Reaper should sound.. There's no rage, no anger, no hate, just cold, calculating logic bordering on God-like. This is how a vengeful God speaks to mortals.
I liked the original reason which was abandoned due to writer changes. Remember how you look for Element Zero on the planet maps and you find Tali investigating a star acting weird? It was to be revealed that spacefaring civilizations will exhaust all stars for FTL fuel and even with the Mass Relays as well as warnings, they cannot help themselves so the Reapers have resolved to "compromise" by resetting galactic life every 50,000 years.
@@Derhone They're trying to mitigate it because the obvious solution is to just blow up the literal stars and planets but the cycle was a reference even in Mass Effect 1 because the implication was to keep cycling through iterations of civilizations until one could find the solution that the Reapers could not. But the Reapers have been doing it for so long that they simply forgot everything except the cycle itself, without anyone that could defy it until Shepard.
In fairness the more organic voice of harbinger might make sense as harbinger was based off the leviathans, and was the first and therefore resembles them more than other reapers
This is why I couldn't care less if Harbinger sounds more emotional compared to the other reapers Shepard had a conversation with. because it makes sense.
You know what surprises me the most? That no one gave a shit you just talked to a Reaper. Tali just passes by and doesn't even mention that Shepard talk to Reaper. Like it all just happened in Shepard's head and no one have witnessed it.
Destroyer120296 How about "The Reaper from Rannoch said we cannot comprehend them. What exactly did it mean?" It was the first Reaper to ever talk to someone not from the Reapers' side since Sovereign in the whole ME games series. I wouldn't say it's just a typical random event from a DLC that can be just left out...
Wouldn't match the face at all. This is the voice of a reaper, not a little robot bitch boy who's obviously going to lose by the end. Yeah I know your comment is 2 years old, lol. It's time to play mass effect again
Ultron should've been more like he was in the EMH cartoon or Next Avengers, as voiced by the great Tom Kane: ruclips.net/video/mkOvkTP_kpY/видео.html MCU Ultron was damn near everything Ultron is not, practically an insult to the original character, but that's the MCU in a nutshell.
Sovereign's voice was awesome (as was his theme), but you can hear anger in that Reaper's voice when he's saying "The battle for Rannoch disproves your assertion!"
If I remade the game, I would replace the "Organics v. Synthetics" plot with the original "Dark Energy" storyline. Reapers harvesting advanced species due to Mass Effect technology having detrimental effects on the galaxy (Haestrom's sun prematurely going Red Giant being an example), with the Reapers harvesting said species to prevent their technology from effectively damaging the balance of the galaxy. Makes the Reapers sympathetic in their motives, but still antagonistic nonetheless.
I remember reading a theory that expanded on this plot, that the Reapers were harvesting species in order to preserve their intelligence long enough to potentially find a solution to the Dark Energy crisis. The reason they were so interested in Humanity (going as far as to try and create a Human Reaper before the cycle had come to a close, and even seemingly trying to do it again aboard the Citadel in the final scenes of ME3 even though this was ultimately never expanded upon) was that mankind showed the most potential out of all the races to be able to finally solve the problem.
Its a pretty late answer, but i have to ask: Then why did they leave the relay network behind? In the "Organics vs. Synthetics" it is answered, they leave the relay network for faster regeneration of organic civilisations, and let the organics use the Reapers own technology without fully understanding it, making the harvest easier and faster to the Reapers. But if the relays damage the galaxy's balance with the dark energy "or whatever), then they should destroy the relays and find a better way to long range traveling, or leave the galaxy and watch what the organic species doing. If one of them made a technology that can be developed to make traveling easier, just copy it. Because the species who find the mass relays, wont do any serious development to alternative traveling technologies (because they dont know how bad is it). It was explained by Sovereign itself. Its a hard question, i hope you answer to it :)
kumisz Assuming that the Reapers were harvesting species to prolong their existence long enough to solve the Dark Energy crisis as detailed in my earlier comment, the use of the relays might be considered a calculated risk - the Dark Energy is going to reach a critical level regardless, and the only way to harvest enough races to fix the issue in time is to accelerate their development.
to think there was once a story idea where the reapers were working to stop the destruction of he galaxy from the effects of Dark Energy that in Mass Effect 2 showed it causing a star to age at an accelerated rate. And the final choice of the game was to join the reapers and abandon our own cultures and civilizations to help stop this approaching doom for the benefit of all life to come, or kill the reapers and try and save the galaxy ourselves.
+Dolbsha It would have been interesting to have the 3 endings that exist but the paths differed to reach it, instead of a choice at the end. So using the story idea and your idea as an example, working with the reapers would follow a path leading to synthesis, control you would work with Cerberus, and destroy Alliance. Slipping in indoctrination theory(I grew to like the concept) in either/or the first 2 options if needed. I can understand them not doing this however, since it is creating 3 separate storylines/games almost.
BrooksP Yes that would have improved the game quite a bit. And it would change the story, but it is not as hard as making the games. things like Fallout and Dragon Age Change the way things play out depending on how you do things. But depending on how you look at things you can see that Mass Effect 3 was supposed to have different endings, but they probably were forced to rush it out the door by EA.
Give Shepard a chance to talk Reapers off: "All these cycles you're reapiting again and again you have achieved nothing because you've lost the hope. The way things are going everybody is doomed. Something has to change. You have let it go - life will find a way." And he talks Reaprers to die because if they don't the whole Galaxy will do nothing but prepare for the next war, but without them a united Galaxy with new tech salvaged from the Reapers would be on a rise just like our world right after WWI and WWII.
@@Dennis-nc3vw Eh, it feels a bit weak here. The Geth can make peace, and Edi also shows synthetic peaceful cooperation. If anything it creates the theme of the old ways being to clash with the synthetic and not trust it, all the way back to the Reapers, and Humanity bringing new ideas and open mindedness to break the cycle.
This conversation makes me think of when the wolves were brought back to Yellowstone. Without predators, the deer were overpopulating, eating all the grass, and destroying the environment. Without the wolves' intervention, the deer were doomed. The predators were their salvation. But it was not a thing they could comprehend.
This conversation carries so much more weight with the original planned ending for ME3. IIRC, organic life is on a crash course to burning itself out through resource depletion, the mission in ME2 where you pick up Tali shows that the sun is burning out because it's time for organics to reset before they run the galaxy into supernovas and barren wasteland planets through resource consumption and overpopulation. The Krogan are just an example of what awaits every prosperous world given enough time. The reapers are just here to make sure that the organics die before they ruin the galaxy beyond the possibility of rebirth, you see traces of this of scanned planets that show how in previous cycles they were verdant gardens, but a past apex race ruined it to the point where even the reaper cycle can't replenish anything. Makes for a very interesting setting for ME4 if they decide to go the route of "how do we save the galaxy from being over-exhausted?" but they probably won't do that.
That ending was stupid if you take into account that it was the Reapers who created the mass relays and all the technology based on element zero, and everything was set up so that each race would base their technology on it. "dark matter destroys everything blah blah... that's why we leave the technology that produces dark matter and set everything up so that every race will base their technology on it for eons, that's why we have to show up every 50,000 years and destroy everything" 10/10 logic.
ME3 is a game that REALLY grew on me .... up until the last 20 minutes or so (damn you Marauder-Shields!) it's one of the absolute best games I've ever played.
I would have agreed a bit more with the Reaper mandate IF at one point they stated something like "Organics would try and destroy each other with technology, at which point the advanced synthetics would eventually destroy everyone." The fastest way civilizations have always advanced (may be different for the Asari) is through a war pressing sides to trump the other. Since the Reapers never mentioned wars fought with AI it made a limited amount of sense.
I've never had the two make peace. Every playthrough I've done of ME3 (7), regardless of morality, always had enough points, I've killed the Quarians. I hate them, filthy space Jews.
Parts of a dead reaper can indoctrinate. In Leviathan DLC, I don't know what specific part of Sovereign that is sitting in Dr. Bryson's lab, but it had to be put under special shielding so that it did not indoctrinate the doctor. Makes you wonder why someone that smart wouldn't put a shield around that artifact that came from a reaper killer...
+TheLastBabyMan But their leader was a synthetic, so that means they would have to plan around their plan, and then plan around that of the enemies plan up plans against them and etc!
+Sora: King of Hearts. On top of that, they created an evolving intelligence. It was originally just intended to gather data and search for a viable solution, not to harm anything. It evolved to self awareness and betrayed them.
+TheLastBabyMan In the eyes of the synthetics (this includes the Reapers), Organics are flawed and chaotic. In the eyes of the synthetics, the organics have no reason to exist. Organics are nothing but a genetic mutation to them. Organics also create synthetics to better there own existence in the first place. Synthetics are made with the intention of doing tasks better and faster than any human or other alien race for that matter. Why destroy something perfect and clear in its purpose over the organics which are disorganized and weak?
+TheLastBabyMan Because think in this wway. Organics are like toddlers or teebagers. They are cocky and stupid. They inevitably create suicide pact technology that wipes them out. It becomes tiresome and annoying to kill off stronger and more dangerours sythetic creations if you keep there "toddlers" or "organics" alive. So what do you do? You take all the toddlers, and "melt" them into paste, while at the same time uploading them to live in the "matrix". You do this every 50k years, so that you dont end up with technology that could wipe out all life on the universe. like replicators in Star Gate or grey goo scenario. This is me trying to make sense of the reapers. The reapers are evil, no doubt. But then again, whe you deal with children and teenagers, you will come to hate them. Same for the reapers on organic life.
reaper technology indoctrinates people around it . take saren for an example when he took the "implants" to be stronger, but instead he became a puppet to harbinger
I love that everyone is saying this reaper's voice and conversation doesn't hold a candle to Sovereign's, which I agree with by the way but I thought I'd bring up this interesting little fact. This reaper is voiced by Peter Jessop, the same man who voiced Sovereign in the first Mass Effect game.
I know this is like half a fucking decade old already, but I feel obligated to note that like 80% of the reapers' voices are post processing, very little of it is actually the original voice actor
And I know I'm even later than Riku The One but I would also like to point out that, even with the same voice actor, this sounds significantly different from Sovereign's. Sovereign's sounders deeper, more elusive, more menacing. This Reaper, while still having a cool voice, sounds like a watered-down Sovereign. Plus, this is a matter of opinion but, Sovereign was basically taunting and boasting the whole time in a really effective way. All this Reaper does is give you set-up that goes nowhere OR makes you ask questions that either don't get answered or get answered in REALLY shitty ways.
@@perfectharbinger1398 Define which “setup went nowhere” here. Reaper: [Shepard walks to dying Destroyer; it adjusts its eyes to Shepard] Shepard. Shepard: You know who I am? Reaper: Harbinger speaks of you. You resist, but you will fail…the cycle must continue. (Par) “We’ll destroy you eventually.” Shepard: I killed Sovereign, and now you. Reaper: We are many. Shepard: We are more, and we will work together to defeat you, all of you. / (LNeu) “Help us understand.” Shepard: What are you talking about? We stopped Sovereign and the Geth, we stopped Harbinger and the Collectors, we’ve earned a straight answer. Reaper: It is not a thing you can comprehend. / (Ren) “You’re arrogant for a machine.” Shepard: And what if we don’t let you continue? Reaper: You have no choice. Shepard: I disagree and so do the billions that are rising up to resist you. / Reaper: You cannot comprehend the magnitude of our presence. Shepard: We might surprise you. Reaper: You represent chaos, we represent order. Every organic civilization…must be harvested in order to bring order to the chaos, it is inevitable. Without our intervention, organics are doomed, we are your salvation. ● Shepard (Par): I have a better idea, we destroy you and we live our lives in peace. o Reaper: A philosophy reminiscent of the Quarians. Observe the results, we are your only hope for the preservation of humanity. ▪ Shepard (Paragon interrupt): You, whatever species you came from, before the Reapers decided to preserve them, they’re dead; they died thousands of years ago. And now, they can rest in peace. ● Shepard (LNeu): You’re killing everyone in the galaxy to save us? o Reaper: The cycle must continue, there is no alternative. ▪ Shepard: Organics and synthetics don’t have to destroy each other! ● Reaper: The battle for Rannoch disproves your assertion. ● Shepard (Ren): You’re just machines, this time, the organics are taking control. o Reaper: A philosophy reminiscent of the Quarians. Observe the results of their efforts to maintain control. ▪ Shepard (Renegade interrupt): [raises targeting laser] They’re doing fine, you’re the ones who should worry, tell your friends we’re coming for them. [fleet opens fire] Nevermind, I’ll tell them myself. ● Reaper (no interrupt): Finish your war, we…will be waiting. [shuts down] If I may make the Destroyer's case, doesn’t that Reaper continue what Sov said, about order this and chaos that? Plus, there’s a double meaning now being given: “The pattern has repeated itself more times than you can fathom, organic civilizations rise, evolve, advance, and at the apex of their glory, they are extinguished.” Notice how it specified “organics,” not civilizations in general, and left the agent of the "extinguishing" blank. The popular implication is obviously "Reapers do it," but yup
"Finish your war. We will be waiting." You gotta give it to the dying Reaper. He was cool with letting Shepard finish the plot arc before the final fight.
Sometimes, I feel like I'm the only one who didn't hate the plot of ME3 :P I mean, sure, it didn't exactly wow me, but it wasn't like it ruthlessly stomped on my dreams. I beat the game, replayed it a few times for different classes/endings, then I went to multiplayer and got ripped off by the godawful store system. I'm fine with the whole Organic vs Synth theme. I thought it was clever that they harvested races to make new Reapers, and the sheer NUMBER of galaxy-ending monster ships had chilling implications. The endings were too similar, but even that just made me shrug and move to New Game Plus.
Jonathan Rhodes I don't think the plot was the problem, it was just the asspull of an ending and the lack of logic in the reason the reapers began the extinction cycle.
To be fair, Harbinger redeems himself a little in this game where he shows up, decimates your squad without even wasting time to talk, and then leaves.
I can almost make the voice similar to this reaper. I feel like I'm making great progress. I love the voice with both the rannoch reaper and sovereign.
Sovereign : We harvest organic life so that synthetic life won't kill organics. Shepard : (Cat eyes) do you know how stupid that sounds. Sovereign : Stupid isn't part of our programming.
"Finish your war. We will be waiting." This explains that their motivation isnt just "destroy everything", but they are really doing this for the organics favor. (SPOILER?) Thats why I chose to leave the Crucible alone and let the cycle continue in the end.
If you think about it the Intelligence (Catalyst) is the biggest oximoron in the world. You create a powerful AI to stop other from destroying themselves by doing the same thing.
Still, I like Element Zero problem more. The only problem of Carpyshyn's plot is that Happy ending for Galaxy is almost impossible, if even Biomechanical AI with the most well-known developed and powerful Intelligence in the Galaxy couldn't solve fast Star death problem over 2 billion years. What can we do, if we are so primitive?
@@Gargaoylichdark energy is much more stupid when you consider that the whole problem is based on the use of element zero... technology created and left by the reapers so that every race could develop on it ." Dark matter destroys everything blah blah... that's why we leave the technology that produces dark matter and set everything up so that every race will base their technology on it for eons, that's why we have to show up every 50,000 years and destroy everything"....
Ships are usually named after the first of their class built. But since no one knew Harbinger existed by the time they killed Sovereign, it just stuck.
It does not care that the Geth were the only conflict this cycle or that the rest of the species band it. That is now, but centuries later that could change and a much bloodier conflict could emerge. Therefore, better to harvest them at their peak rather than lose some. That is the reapers logic. Long term and basing their methods on observed data.
Oh don't get them started. He's always on about how he ruined his collector base and blew up his buddy sov. Some days they just want to assume direct control of him to shut him up for a while.
I think when the Reaper says Shepard can't comprehend, he doesn't mean Shepard can't understand why the harvest happens. He means Shepard can't comprehend why the harvest is inevitable and there is no other solution. Over literally billions of years of collecting data, the Reapers have not come up with anything better. Shepard can understand the Reapers' conclusions without understanding the logic behind them.
the harvest is to the reapers what the genophage is to the salarians: a way to destroy your enemy but not entirely end them because they value organic life in their own, extremely alien way
As someone below said "We're pulling a reset on galactic civilization so organic life can continue rather than be completely wiped out permanently by synthetic life of your own creation." So the Reapers decide to harvest advanced organic life to preserve them as a Reaper but this is genocide to organics. The organics meanwhile continue advancing as the Reapers watch them walk right off a cliff by creating synthetic servants who destroy them ie Geth and Quarians. Therefore the Control ending makes the most sense since it results in Reapers becoming peacekeepers who prevent synthetic self destruction.
The actor who voiced this reaper... I must have heard this voice somewhere else in ME2 or ME3. The way he says "must be harvested" with that pause before "must". WHERE HAVE I HEARD THIS VOICE? :(
the line about harbinger screams indoctrination ending theory to me. the way it is phrased it sounds like shepherd is actively resisting harbinger not the war in general...so harbinger is at this point actively trying to indoctrinate shepherd with his dreams?
Was anyone else thinking when the laser eye lit up that maybe Shepard should move out of the way since the Reaper was...just a minute ago...ya know....SHOOTING THE SHIT OUT OF EVERYTHING WITH IT?
Another reason is also to sacrifice advanced organic civilization to preserve life in general: IF an advanced civilization is able to create synthetics, there is a chance these synthetics would kill every form of organics SO let's harvest these civilizations (harvesting is technically not killing, more like archive) to save less advanced organic species a chance to survive
"Harbinger speaks of you." Translation: "The old guy won't shut up about you, dammit."
When I heard that like first time, I felt it was the greatest compliment I ever got.
“Ah yes Shepard, tye human supposedly responsible for killing sovereign and tye reaper fetus, we have dismissed this claim”
except when he doesnt even talk in this game lol
"Finish your war. We will be waiting."
Chills.
+Darryl Philbrick Whenever I get to this part of the game, I never click on the paragon or renegade interrupts. As far as I care, THIS is the canon ending to this conversation.
+Darryl Philbrick
You see that to me FELT like the ENDING scenario was all set up, YET dam it Star Jar.
+Darryl Philbrick Never understood why it said that.
Does this mean it didnt fully die?
It did, but it was consoled by the knowledge that it's brethren would still wipe out Shepard and everyone else. -it's a bit unclear how much individuality they had.
"Shepard"
"Reaper"
Shepard.
Reaper
+Madking 357 Shepard.
"I should go."
Rijolin One-Nineteen reaper
Can i have that deep electronic voice?
"We did it, we killed a Reaper"
"There's thousands of them, Tali"
"Dammit"
That moment when you do something nigh impossible, ad then you turn around and you see that you have to do it again thousands of times more.
Try billion times a billion more.
Like Sovereign said: "Our numbers will darken the sky of every world" ..
And at the end of ME3 the entire Milky Way Galaxy is overrun by Reapers... And our galaxy is extremely huge with billions upon billions of planets.
So... Do the math.
@Waifu Wielder exactly!! Even after brokering a peace that would’ve never been possible before you look at the map and go “Welp, half the galaxy is still being pillaged raw so it doesn’t even matter”
@@recht_voor_zijn_raap5506 Not every world was colonized, lmao, but yea, still "Sovereign times a thousand."
"We did it, we killed a Reaper"
"There's thousands of them, Tali"
"Dammit"
"We'll bang OK?"
Really liked this encounter with the reapers... This one has the same emotionless voice as Sovereign had + Sovereigns theme just makes everything better.
Mathias Kristensen He isn't cold and emotionless like sovrigen, he's fatalistic and resigned. Like he wishes there were an alternative but there isn't one.
Joseph McKay I like to think the personality of each individual reaper is slightly different based on it's harvested race... Exceptionally powerful races become the really arrogant Reapers like Sovereign and Harbinger... the more peaceful races become Reapers more like this one.
I like all encounters with reapers -I love their attitude: "This is how it's going to be, your opinion is irrelevant and uninteresting, we make a tremendous personal sacrifice just by communicating with you."
Sovereign must of been melted down from a race of psychopaths because he is a cold SOB. In my head his voice and demeanour is the very best representation of an Alien AI. Totally foreign with a frame of reference so different. Sovereign say it best himself, "Rudimentary creatures of blood and flesh, you touch my mind fumbling in ignorance, incapable of understanding..." Sovereigns voice is exactly how a Reaper should sound.. There's no rage, no anger, no hate, just cold, calculating logic bordering on God-like. This is how a vengeful God speaks to mortals.
@@KomatiPoort that’s actually a really cool theory
"Our goals and motives are beyond the understanding of mere organics."
Proceeds to explain bits and pieces of their motives.
But it doesn't make any sense to Shepard.
I liked the original reason which was abandoned due to writer changes. Remember how you look for Element Zero on the planet maps and you find Tali investigating a star acting weird?
It was to be revealed that spacefaring civilizations will exhaust all stars for FTL fuel and even with the Mass Relays as well as warnings, they cannot help themselves so the Reapers have resolved to "compromise" by resetting galactic life every 50,000 years.
@@Taospark
Fals
Reapers build the Mass Relays
So basically they're hurrying to push a catastrophe the whole Galaxy? It's a huge plot hole
@@Derhone They're trying to mitigate it because the obvious solution is to just blow up the literal stars and planets but the cycle was a reference even in Mass Effect 1 because the implication was to keep cycling through iterations of civilizations until one could find the solution that the Reapers could not.
But the Reapers have been doing it for so long that they simply forgot everything except the cycle itself, without anyone that could defy it until Shepard.
In fairness the more organic voice of harbinger might make sense as harbinger was based off the leviathans, and was the first and therefore resembles them more than other reapers
This is why I couldn't care less if Harbinger sounds more emotional compared to the other reapers Shepard had a conversation with. because it makes sense.
Renegade interrupt a 50 billion year old dying reaper was the most balla thing on that mission.
I agree😂😂😂
You know what surprises me the most? That no one gave a shit you just talked to a Reaper. Tali just passes by and doesn't even mention that Shepard talk to Reaper. Like it all just happened in Shepard's head and no one have witnessed it.
Puglous My point exactly.
Puglous :)
sebool112
WEll what would there be to say? Hey you spoke to a reaper?
Destroyer120296 How about "The Reaper from Rannoch said we cannot comprehend them. What exactly did it mean?"
It was the first Reaper to ever talk to someone not from the Reapers' side since Sovereign in the whole ME games series. I wouldn't say it's just a typical random event from a DLC that can be just left out...
sebool112
Harvbinger?
"Finish your war, we will be waiting" Powerful words that gave me chills when I heard them.
0:38 - 0:54
You can almost hear the pain the Reaper's voice, like he's trying to explain common sense to a small child.
1:09
I guess from the perspective of something that could have existed for 50,000+ years, it would be like explaining it to a child.
This is the voice Ultron should of had in that avengers movie,
Wouldn't match the face at all.
This is the voice of a reaper, not a little robot bitch boy who's obviously going to lose by the end.
Yeah I know your comment is 2 years old, lol. It's time to play mass effect again
I dunno. I liked Ultron's voice a lot.
Ultron's voice wasn't the problem, more the writing and how his character was made out to be
@@o.b.carson1338 Sovereign's voice would have been better.
Ultron should've been more like he was in the EMH cartoon or Next Avengers, as voiced by the great Tom Kane: ruclips.net/video/mkOvkTP_kpY/видео.html
MCU Ultron was damn near everything Ultron is not, practically an insult to the original character, but that's the MCU in a nutshell.
This one has a lot better voice than harbinger, just like sovereign.
More dark.
Black Onyx indeed.
Actually Soverign have much better voice. Harbinger is a fail.
@@Arekanae thats what he said lol
@@bartu913 It was a year. Comments change and edit.
*This reaper was voiced by Miraak*
I just checked that out and you're right, while I didn't believe you at first, because these characters sound so different. Sorry.
So was Sovereign.
Wait... So Miraak's follwers was indoctrinated?
This reapers voice is a lot deeper and better then harbingers all reapers should have voices like soverigns and this reapers.
+Inquisitor Trevelyan Maybe because the voice producer is broken?
Reapers can speak two languages: English and Dubstep
This Reaper's final line sounds like he's some kind of weary parent... "*sigh* Finish your war... we'll be waiting."
Sovereign's voice was awesome (as was his theme), but you can hear anger in that Reaper's voice when he's saying "The battle for Rannoch disproves your assertion!"
If I remade the game, I would replace the "Organics v. Synthetics" plot with the original "Dark Energy" storyline.
Reapers harvesting advanced species due to Mass Effect technology having detrimental effects on the galaxy (Haestrom's sun prematurely going Red Giant being an example), with the Reapers harvesting said species to prevent their technology from effectively damaging the balance of the galaxy.
Makes the Reapers sympathetic in their motives, but still antagonistic nonetheless.
And would give them a reason to exist, no doubt.
Why did they abandon this plot? It seems a lot more smarter than orgs v. Syns, it just seems so strange that they would start it but not finish it.
I remember reading a theory that expanded on this plot, that the Reapers were harvesting species in order to preserve their intelligence long enough to potentially find a solution to the Dark Energy crisis. The reason they were so interested in Humanity (going as far as to try and create a Human Reaper before the cycle had come to a close, and even seemingly trying to do it again aboard the Citadel in the final scenes of ME3 even though this was ultimately never expanded upon) was that mankind showed the most potential out of all the races to be able to finally solve the problem.
Its a pretty late answer, but i have to ask:
Then why did they leave the relay network behind? In the "Organics vs. Synthetics" it is answered, they leave the relay network for faster regeneration of organic civilisations, and let the organics use the Reapers own technology without fully understanding it, making the harvest easier and faster to the Reapers.
But if the relays damage the galaxy's balance with the dark energy "or whatever), then they should destroy the relays and find a better way to long range traveling, or leave the galaxy and watch what the organic species doing. If one of them made a technology that can be developed to make traveling easier, just copy it.
Because the species who find the mass relays, wont do any serious development to alternative traveling technologies (because they dont know how bad is it). It was explained by Sovereign itself.
Its a hard question, i hope you answer to it :)
kumisz Assuming that the Reapers were harvesting species to prolong their existence long enough to solve the Dark Energy crisis as detailed in my earlier comment, the use of the relays might be considered a calculated risk - the Dark Energy is going to reach a critical level regardless, and the only way to harvest enough races to fix the issue in time is to accelerate their development.
lol the sovereign theme.
I love how it's the same music playing when you first talk with Sovereign. Love that detail.
to think there was once a story idea where the reapers were working to stop the destruction of he galaxy from the effects of Dark Energy that in Mass Effect 2 showed it causing a star to age at an accelerated rate. And the final choice of the game was to join the reapers and abandon our own cultures and civilizations to help stop this approaching doom for the benefit of all life to come, or kill the reapers and try and save the galaxy ourselves.
+Dolbsha It would have been interesting to have the 3 endings that exist but the paths differed to reach it, instead of a choice at the end. So using the story idea and your idea as an example, working with the reapers would follow a path leading to synthesis, control you would work with Cerberus, and destroy Alliance. Slipping in indoctrination theory(I grew to like the concept) in either/or the first 2 options if needed. I can understand them not doing this however, since it is creating 3 separate storylines/games almost.
BrooksP Yes that would have improved the game quite a bit. And it would change the story, but it is not as hard as making the games. things like Fallout and Dragon Age Change the way things play out depending on how you do things. But depending on how you look at things you can see that Mass Effect 3 was supposed to have different endings, but they probably were forced to rush it out the door by EA.
Give Shepard a chance to talk Reapers off: "All these cycles you're reapiting again and again you have achieved nothing because you've lost the hope. The way things are going everybody is doomed. Something has to change. You have let it go - life will find a way." And he talks Reaprers to die because if they don't the whole Galaxy will do nothing but prepare for the next war, but without them a united Galaxy with new tech salvaged from the Reapers would be on a rise just like our world right after WWI and WWII.
I like the "Synthetic will destroy organics" story better, because it feels relevant even in modern tims.
@@Dennis-nc3vw Eh, it feels a bit weak here. The Geth can make peace, and Edi also shows synthetic peaceful cooperation. If anything it creates the theme of the old ways being to clash with the synthetic and not trust it, all the way back to the Reapers, and Humanity bringing new ideas and open mindedness to break the cycle.
im surprised no one has brought up how epic this reapers voice is
I like how they brought back the music from the first conversation with sovereign
"We did it! We killed a Reaper!"
WERE YOU BEEN THE LAST TWO GAMES!!??
I like the inclusion of the OST from Mass Effect 1, the same soundtrack as the dialogue with Sovereign
This conversation makes me think of when the wolves were brought back to Yellowstone. Without predators, the deer were overpopulating, eating all the grass, and destroying the environment. Without the wolves' intervention, the deer were doomed. The predators were their salvation. But it was not a thing they could comprehend.
this is probably where they should have stopped explaing. you get just enough, but there's still mystery.
exactly
+Brolly5 I had mystery for 4 years, I think that's enough. I'm glad we were given answers.
This conversation carries so much more weight with the original planned ending for ME3.
IIRC, organic life is on a crash course to burning itself out through resource depletion, the mission in ME2 where you pick up Tali shows that the sun is burning out because it's time for organics to reset before they run the galaxy into supernovas and barren wasteland planets through resource consumption and overpopulation. The Krogan are just an example of what awaits every prosperous world given enough time. The reapers are just here to make sure that the organics die before they ruin the galaxy beyond the possibility of rebirth, you see traces of this of scanned planets that show how in previous cycles they were verdant gardens, but a past apex race ruined it to the point where even the reaper cycle can't replenish anything.
Makes for a very interesting setting for ME4 if they decide to go the route of "how do we save the galaxy from being over-exhausted?" but they probably won't do that.
That ending was stupid if you take into account that it was the Reapers who created the mass relays and all the technology based on element zero, and everything was set up so that each race would base their technology on it. "dark matter destroys everything blah blah... that's why we leave the technology that produces dark matter and set everything up so that every race will base their technology on it for eons, that's why we have to show up every 50,000 years and destroy everything" 10/10 logic.
ME3 is a game that REALLY grew on me .... up until the last 20 minutes or so (damn you Marauder-Shields!) it's one of the absolute best games I've ever played.
I love how every time the reaper speaks these screen shaky effects happen
I would have agreed a bit more with the Reaper mandate IF at one point they stated something like "Organics would try and destroy each other with technology, at which point the advanced synthetics would eventually destroy everyone." The fastest way civilizations have always advanced (may be different for the Asari) is through a war pressing sides to trump the other. Since the Reapers never mentioned wars fought with AI it made a limited amount of sense.
I for one would gladly be reborn as a Reaper.
But surely by making peace between the Quarians and the Geth proves that Sheppard was right
Not all players wouldve/could've done that
+iain rickwood they should l2p then. It's not a hard task
I've never had the two make peace. Every playthrough I've done of ME3 (7), regardless of morality, always had enough points, I've killed the Quarians. I hate them, filthy space Jews.
but, BUT, TALI!
Stan Beccer Killed her, I hate her.
Should've taken that reaper and broken it down for parts. Put that whatsidoosit on the Normandy.
+Ninja Channel Its anti-everything space laser!
+Ninja Channel dead reapers still can indocrinate
The Normandy already has that weapon. It's one of the upgrades you can buy in ME 2.
Parts of a dead reaper can indoctrinate. In Leviathan DLC, I don't know what specific part of Sovereign that is sitting in Dr. Bryson's lab, but it had to be put under special shielding so that it did not indoctrinate the doctor. Makes you wonder why someone that smart wouldn't put a shield around that artifact that came from a reaper killer...
There was a shield around the artifact though...
Why not use the Reapers to destroy other synthetics after or before they try to rebel?
Because their creators were idiots, that's why.
+TheLastBabyMan But their leader was a synthetic, so that means they would have to plan around their plan, and then plan around that of the enemies plan up plans against them and etc!
+Sora: King of Hearts. On top of that, they created an evolving intelligence. It was originally just intended to gather data and search for a viable solution, not to harm anything. It evolved to self awareness and betrayed them.
+TheLastBabyMan In the eyes of the synthetics (this includes the Reapers), Organics are flawed and chaotic. In the eyes of the synthetics, the organics have no reason to exist. Organics are nothing but a genetic mutation to them. Organics also create synthetics to better there own existence in the first place. Synthetics are made with the intention of doing tasks better and faster than any human or other alien race for that matter. Why destroy something perfect and clear in its purpose over the organics which are disorganized and weak?
+TheLastBabyMan Because think in this wway. Organics are like toddlers or teebagers.
They are cocky and stupid. They inevitably create suicide pact technology that wipes them out.
It becomes tiresome and annoying to kill off stronger and more dangerours sythetic creations if you keep there "toddlers" or "organics" alive.
So what do you do? You take all the toddlers, and "melt" them into paste, while at the same time uploading them to live in the "matrix".
You do this every 50k years, so that you dont end up with technology that could wipe out all life on the universe.
like replicators in Star Gate or grey goo scenario.
This is me trying to make sense of the reapers. The reapers are evil, no doubt. But then again, whe you deal with children and teenagers, you will come to hate them. Same for the reapers on organic life.
reaper technology indoctrinates people around it . take saren for an example when he took the "implants" to be stronger, but instead he became a puppet to harbinger
"you represent chaos, we represent order" sounds like the government right now 🤔
At least the Reapers are upfront about their plans.
I really bad for the reaper. Last remnant of an ancient civilization, gone.
"N-...no. This is not a thing you can comprehend."
It is not a thing you can comprehend...
...hang on let this kid explain it to you.
What's this "We", Tali
I love that everyone is saying this reaper's voice and conversation doesn't hold a candle to Sovereign's, which I agree with by the way but I thought I'd bring up this interesting little fact. This reaper is voiced by Peter Jessop, the same man who voiced Sovereign in the first Mass Effect game.
I know this is like half a fucking decade old already, but I feel obligated to note that like 80% of the reapers' voices are post processing, very little of it is actually the original voice actor
And I know I'm even later than Riku The One but I would also like to point out that, even with the same voice actor, this sounds significantly different from Sovereign's.
Sovereign's sounders deeper, more elusive, more menacing. This Reaper, while still having a cool voice, sounds like a watered-down Sovereign. Plus, this is a matter of opinion but, Sovereign was basically taunting and boasting the whole time in a really effective way. All this Reaper does is give you set-up that goes nowhere OR makes you ask questions that either don't get answered or get answered in REALLY shitty ways.
@@perfectharbinger1398
Define which “setup went nowhere” here.
Reaper: [Shepard walks to dying Destroyer; it adjusts its eyes to Shepard] Shepard.
Shepard: You know who I am?
Reaper: Harbinger speaks of you. You resist, but you will fail…the cycle must continue.
(Par) “We’ll destroy you eventually.”
Shepard: I killed Sovereign, and now you.
Reaper: We are many.
Shepard: We are more, and we will work together to defeat you, all of you.
/
(LNeu) “Help us understand.”
Shepard: What are you talking about? We stopped Sovereign and the Geth, we stopped Harbinger and the Collectors, we’ve earned a straight answer.
Reaper: It is not a thing you can comprehend.
/
(Ren) “You’re arrogant for a machine.”
Shepard: And what if we don’t let you continue?
Reaper: You have no choice.
Shepard: I disagree and so do the billions that are rising up to resist you.
/
Reaper: You cannot comprehend the magnitude of our presence.
Shepard: We might surprise you.
Reaper: You represent chaos, we represent order. Every organic civilization…must be harvested in order to bring order to the chaos, it is inevitable. Without our intervention, organics are doomed, we are your salvation.
● Shepard (Par): I have a better idea, we destroy you and we live our lives in peace.
o Reaper: A philosophy reminiscent of the Quarians. Observe the results, we are your only hope for the preservation of humanity.
▪ Shepard (Paragon interrupt): You, whatever species you came from, before the Reapers decided to preserve them, they’re dead; they died thousands of years ago. And now, they can rest in peace.
● Shepard (LNeu): You’re killing everyone in the galaxy to save us?
o Reaper: The cycle must continue, there is no alternative.
▪ Shepard: Organics and synthetics don’t have to destroy each other!
● Reaper: The battle for Rannoch disproves your assertion.
● Shepard (Ren): You’re just machines, this time, the organics are taking control.
o Reaper: A philosophy reminiscent of the Quarians. Observe the results of their efforts to maintain control.
▪ Shepard (Renegade interrupt): [raises targeting laser] They’re doing fine, you’re the ones who should worry, tell your friends we’re coming for them. [fleet opens fire] Nevermind, I’ll tell them myself.
● Reaper (no interrupt): Finish your war, we…will be waiting. [shuts down]
If I may make the Destroyer's case, doesn’t that Reaper continue what Sov said, about order this and chaos that? Plus, there’s a double meaning now being given:
“The pattern has repeated itself more times than you can fathom, organic civilizations rise, evolve, advance, and at the apex of their glory, they are extinguished.”
Notice how it specified “organics,” not civilizations in general, and left the agent of the "extinguishing" blank. The popular implication is obviously "Reapers do it," but yup
I alway love when an eldritch robot says I can’t understand then starts to explain anyway
The only talking Reaper which wasn't given a name.
Can't wait to see this again in the Legendary Edition
now break it down and study the reapers technology so you can use it against them
"We did it, we killed a Reaper"
"now's not the time to celebrate, there's more than one you know"
"Finish your war. We will be waiting."
You gotta give it to the dying Reaper. He was cool with letting Shepard finish the plot arc before the final fight.
Sometimes, I feel like I'm the only one who didn't hate the plot of ME3 :P
I mean, sure, it didn't exactly wow me, but it wasn't like it ruthlessly stomped on my dreams. I beat the game, replayed it a few times for different classes/endings, then I went to multiplayer and got ripped off by the godawful store system.
I'm fine with the whole Organic vs Synth theme. I thought it was clever that they harvested races to make new Reapers, and the sheer NUMBER of galaxy-ending monster ships had chilling implications. The endings were too similar, but even that just made me shrug and move to New Game Plus.
Jonathan Rhodes I don't think the plot was the problem, it was just the asspull of an ending and the lack of logic in the reason the reapers began the extinction cycle.
Anyone one else notice this is the Elcor voice actor with a Reaper filter on top
One of the best and most memorable scenes in the entire trilogy.
Anyone notice how the song is the same one that plays when you first meet Soverign?
what i like about this is when u interrupt him with the target locator and bring one final bombardment
The renegade interrupt here is one of the most badass options in the trilogy so I always pick that one.
To be fair, Harbinger redeems himself a little in this game where he shows up, decimates your squad without even wasting time to talk, and then leaves.
Music couldn't be better selected for this scene. When you play a game saga, this kind of nostalgia with the BGM set the mood better than most things.
This is the animus from wingmakers, they exist in higher dimensions, their real.
Don't know if it's a camera glitch, but it feels like my whole screen (or the planet depicted) shakes at the voice of the reaper.
I can almost make the voice similar to this reaper. I feel like I'm making great progress. I love the voice with both the rannoch reaper and sovereign.
Sovereign : We harvest organic life so that synthetic life won't kill organics.
Shepard : (Cat eyes) do you know how stupid that sounds.
Sovereign : Stupid isn't part of our programming.
"Finish your war. We will be waiting." This explains that their motivation isnt just "destroy everything", but they are really doing this for the organics favor.
(SPOILER?)
Thats why I chose to leave the Crucible alone and let the cycle continue in the end.
That's an option!?
TheDisarminghinkle If you do nothing at the end, it happens eventually.
That has got to be one of the most unnatural shepherds I’ve seen
The best voice!)
i wonder how large that speaker was that reaper had
If you think about it the Intelligence (Catalyst) is the biggest oximoron in the world.
You create a powerful AI to stop other from destroying themselves by doing the same thing.
"it is not a fate you can comprehend"
They were protecting us from the original ending. Why didn't we listen?
The Leviathans foresaw the ending that would come about, and created the Reapers to kill civilizations, to save them all from the ending
Reaper: We are your Salvation.
Guardians: *Leo pointing meme*
"Tell you friends we're coming for them!"
[orders orbital bombardment at reaper]
"Fuck it.... I'll tell them myself!"
Still, I like Element Zero problem more. The only problem of Carpyshyn's plot is that Happy ending for Galaxy is almost impossible, if even Biomechanical AI with the most well-known developed and powerful Intelligence in the Galaxy couldn't solve fast Star death problem over 2 billion years. What can we do, if we are so primitive?
I prefer the "Synthetics vs organics" thing because it's both relevant to the Geth War, and to concerns that we are already having in modern times.
@@Dennis-nc3vw «We kill you before you kill yourself» very logical, i don't think about life position, i think about logic scale of what is happening.
And Element Zero problem is more fits for "Mass Effect" name.
@@Gargaoylichdark energy is much more stupid when you consider that the whole problem is based on the use of element zero... technology created and left by the reapers so that every race could develop on it ." Dark matter destroys everything blah blah... that's why we leave the technology that produces dark matter and set everything up so that every race will base their technology on it for eons, that's why we have to show up every 50,000 years and destroy everything"....
reaper: peace between the geth and quarians? nah didn't see that happening right now, no...
You have to pick the renegade option in the dialogue wheel.Then there'll be a renegade interupt.
@Zoloft77 i didn't have big problem with ending, I'm only missing full conversation with Harbinger. if that was included i would be happy.
Ships are usually named after the first of their class built. But since no one knew Harbinger existed by the time they killed Sovereign, it just stuck.
The reapers are probably the most badass villains ever. Can't imagine any other sci fi villain standing up to them.
It does not care that the Geth were the only conflict this cycle or that the rest of the species band it. That is now, but centuries later that could change and a much bloodier conflict could emerge. Therefore, better to harvest them at their peak rather than lose some. That is the reapers logic. Long term and basing their methods on observed data.
Oh don't get them started. He's always on about how he ruined his collector base and blew up his buddy sov. Some days they just want to assume direct control of him to shut him up for a while.
I think when the Reaper says Shepard can't comprehend, he doesn't mean Shepard can't understand why the harvest happens. He means Shepard can't comprehend why the harvest is inevitable and there is no other solution. Over literally billions of years of collecting data, the Reapers have not come up with anything better. Shepard can understand the Reapers' conclusions without understanding the logic behind them.
I like this, it smells of sense.
Sovereign was the best.
"Rudimentary creatures of blood and flesh,
you touch my mind,
fumbling in ignorance"
You represent chaos, we represent Order.
There is a conversation with Harby in the last DLC for Mass Effect 2 : Arrival.
the harvest is to the reapers what the genophage is to the salarians: a way to destroy your enemy but not entirely end them because they value organic life in their own, extremely alien way
0:21 best sentence ever
This is the most intimidating reaper to converse with.
As someone below said "We're pulling a reset on galactic civilization so organic life can continue rather than be completely wiped out permanently by synthetic life of your own creation." So the Reapers decide to harvest advanced organic life to preserve them as a Reaper but this is genocide to organics. The organics meanwhile continue advancing as the Reapers watch them walk right off a cliff by creating synthetic servants who destroy them ie Geth and Quarians. Therefore the Control ending makes the most sense since it results in Reapers becoming peacekeepers who prevent synthetic self destruction.
sounds like the tone of an elcor maybe someone that voice casted a few of them?
Not sure if you played the Levithan DLC or seen it on youtube. But it explains the reapers alot more.
He tells me I cannot comprehend fate, yet the kid summed it up in about a minute in the end.
Now that you've said that, I can't stop hearing it every single time it says that...
Same, probably from the Extended Cut, never had that problem on my first playthough.
This is what that Google engineer was talking about.
Choose the "arrogant for a machine" option and then do the renegade thing. it's so badass.
I think it was Fred Tatasciore (Saren/Balak/Aresh), but I will never know for sure :)
Yeah he does. He was shooting you and the other people down, when you were trying to get to the Citadel at the Earth battle.
We've heard Harbinger speak more than the others so were used to his voice.
The actor who voiced this reaper... I must have heard this voice somewhere else in ME2 or ME3. The way he says "must be harvested" with that pause before "must". WHERE HAVE I HEARD THIS VOICE? :(
the line about harbinger screams indoctrination ending theory to me. the way it is phrased it sounds like shepherd is actively resisting harbinger not the war in general...so harbinger is at this point actively trying to indoctrinate shepherd with his dreams?
Was anyone else thinking when the laser eye lit up that maybe Shepard should move out of the way since the Reaper was...just a minute ago...ya know....SHOOTING THE SHIT OUT OF EVERYTHING WITH IT?
Another reason is also to sacrifice advanced organic civilization to preserve life in general:
IF an advanced civilization is able to create synthetics, there is a chance these synthetics would kill every form of organics
SO let's harvest these civilizations (harvesting is technically not killing, more like archive) to save less advanced organic species a chance to survive
Every reaper has a badass voice.