"The beacon seems to think you're Prothean, Shepard. It must be the cipher you found back on Feros" - Liara. "Or it could be the Prothean standing next to you." - Javik. - PWND!
@@gibbyfraustro2509 Nobody ever actually activated or spoke to the prothean VI. So technically, the asari did NOT have proof that the reapers existed. The beacon detecting shepard and his cypher is what finally activates the VI stored within.
@@gibbyfraustro2509 The beacon and the VI are different. The Vi only responds to protheans. Did you not even play mass effect 1 or listen to the dialogue in this scene and see the pillars respond to shepard? Only shepard could activate the VI because he received the cypher, which came from the Thorian, and then Javik because he literally is a prothean. How would the asari have? Can you explain?
the biggest withheld content/dlc crime EA forced Bioware to commit was removing Javik from the main game. the Thessia arc's meaning changes with what was most likely supposed to be a mission Liara and Javik are required. the ancient aliens presentation imo is vital and that being cut from the main game and replaced with the optional squad member saying stuff like "its weird/something's not right/ we're missing something" make this quest more shallow imo. ive seen other scenes where Javik is key. a shame players who didnt wanna pay that much for the download missed such essential content
Goodsman Mastermind id walk down there (i think i could actually do a 3 mile walk over there if i wanted) and give them a piece of my mind but i feel security would boot me out beforehand :P
+MrRemorseless It's because he put the "Squad Helmets" option to "on". Unfortunately, in this game, breathing masks count as actual helmets so you're stuck with it unless you disable helmets for everyone (except Shepard of course).
Default Shepard face looks more like a galaxy saving hero. This guy looks like he had been given his spectre status while eating chicken wings on his parents' sofa.
I get chills playing this mission because a few years ago Kai Leng killed my computer on thessia... had a hardware failure and my GPU died in the boss battle. lol
Killing people to help the terrorist group that he serves become the master of the galaxy is pretty bad, but when he toasted your computer things got personal. Make him pay! 😄
the real mistake in it, that you could kill Leng easily here, several times, with the right combos. but no.... the "badass-sceen-cheater" must defeat you..
If only the AI Shut up and just answered the damn question instead of trying to explain shit we already kind of figured out on our own. (SPOILER) When you get to the Cerberus Base he can explain it in one sentence 'The Citadel is the Catalyst' IF HE FUCKING DID THAT THEN THERE WOULD BE NO NEED FOR THE LAST THREE LEVELS OF THE GAME. So many people would have been spared, but Noooo, they have to try to explain everything and THEN answer the freaking question.
Even without Javik there, you can still find out that Athame was likely a Prothean. If you examine all the artifacts in the room, eventually you can piece together that the Asari did inherit their technology from the Protheans. It goes slower, and is much more subtle and vague, but it is there.
Marc Dufresne More of a universal kind of way. Kind of makes sense that given similar parameters systems would behave similarly over time, in the me universe this is further advanced through the reapers intervention.
That moment when you realize the Asari had a beacon warning them about the reapers on their homeworld and they still did nothing to prepare for the reapers eventual arrival
And this explains why Control and Synthesis endings are exactly what the Reapers want. Run quiet for a few years, make everyone think Shepard's got shit under control and then BOOM, HARVEST BITCHES
Control is what they already have basically, synthesis is what they've always seeked, and destroy is chaos unless Shepard's cycle proves to be different like it hints and the synthetics they inevitably create will be at peace like EDI and Joker or the Geth and the Quarians. It's still a shame Shepard can't challenge the Catalyst's logic by using EDI and the Geth as evidence of a peaceful pattern of created vs creators.
+Linkenski The likes of reapers have seen countless synthetic-organic relations for thousands of millennia, & have concluded long ago that without synthesis--something organics are usually very unwilling to go through, those relations will eventually always suffer. even if Shep brought about a successful reconciliation between the Geth & the Quarians, & then EDI to bear, the catalyst would just dismiss these to be extreme, isolated, outlier cases, & not worth fighting over.
Falcon Windblade "The likes of reapers have seen countless synthetic-organic relations for thousands of millennia, & have concluded long ago that without synthesis--something organics are usually very unwilling to go through" I believe everyone who played the extended cut understand as much, but the problem is still exactly this; The empirical data in the reasoning is missing from what the player can relate to; what we have seen throughout Mass Effect 1 and 2 and 3 until the ending. There is no context beyond what the Leviathan or the Catalyst talks about. You can buy it if you're okay with *their* version of the events, but Mass Effect as a narrative was not about the story the Catalyst is referring to, and thus it becomes an incredibly weak ending becase you're forced to consider such a huge choice for an issue we've not even experienced, we've only been told about it. It's basic "show don't tell" done wrong. It's the typical example of what bad writers do. The Geth and Quarians is a complete strawman argument in relation to the Catalyst's story. In good stories the events reinforce whatever will be addressed in the ending to form a conclusion -- it's like writing an essay or a bachelor. You make exposition, analysis and perspectivate. A leads to B, B leads to C so as a reader you can follow the logic. In the ending you can't because information is too vague or missing to resonate emotioanlly with any of the really effectively written events *throughout the trilogy*. ME3 doesn't follow through, and it doesn't matter how much some vague lore of millenia ago justifies it; as a *story* it completely fails to resonate. It's just bad storytelling. I would even argue Mass Effect 3 is barely a story anymore by the time the ending happens because there is no flow of logic that leads from A to B to C. Instead there is "A to B to ??????" or "?????? to ?????? to C" The flow of events in the story don't follow. It's not a proper story
Linkenski I'm stating that from the reapers' point of view, whatever argument Shepard can throw doesn't hold water at all. that's all i'm saying. i don't like the ending just about as much as everyone else. & the fact that cyborgs can be made throughout the galaxy with just a beam of green energy flooding places is goddamn sloppy & ridiculous in the first place.
How's that? Even after aligning the both Admiral Raan states the conflicts are possible. It's only a matter of time between a rift is open between Quarian conservatives and Geth, again. Synthesis is the best logic because it is the final solution that the Catalyst never came to understand hence the endless cycles. Had they done synthesis in the first cycle and nobody would've have needed to be exterminated.
firefox3249 I personally believe Shepard was in the process of the Repears attempting Indoctrination on Shep. That's the canon I believe that it's Shepard's mental battle fighting the Reapers influence. The ILM is already in it deep though most definitely Whatever the end sequence was of ME3 he basically tries to stop Shep bc he thinks he can control the Reapers but it's logically impossible.
Naomi Amani You fail to realise an important factor. If you've ever read the Codex, you'd know that long term indoctrination is a slow process that takes weeks to complete. Shepard wasn't exposed long enough to any Reaper elements in order to get indoctrinated. Also, do not forget that the "Indoctrination Theory" is 100% fan made and that Bioware never confirmed it.
firefox3249 Personally I can never accept the star child Shepard-deity BS they tried to throw us in the ending. The Indoctrination Theory may not have been confirmed by BW but I can't accept these supposed "choices" they gave us in the end which realistically aren't possible unless Shepard just knows space magic or is "The One" now. I have to disagree that Shepard hasn't been exposed to Reaper signatures long enough to be affected. The Reaper IFF in the Normandy is one factor I think can't be ignored. Shep has also been exposed to Reaper tech around the Universe which even when out of commission can still affect people. Shepard is too big an asset in the mind of the Reapers to not try and take a shot at infiltrating one of sentient life's most prolific leaders. They could have killed Shepard multiple times easily. I don't think it's pure luck and skill that Shepard is still alive. Nothing in the endings were very conclusive so the way people interpret the ending of the trilogy I feel will be debated until the end of time based on how they believe is the "right ending.". I respect your opinion though.
Naomi Amani Yeah, Shepard did get near Reaper elements (the IFF isn't one of them), but he didn't stay long enough. While he still can be indoctrinated over a short amount of time, he'd end up a mindless drone really quickly (in a matter of days). Seriously, just read some entries of the Codex and you'll confirm it yourself. Also, the star child story is kinda shit. I'll give you that one
Douglas William well we know based on the prothean way of life from Javik, it likely would've remotely fired it to destroy all Synthetic, and thus would've saved the entire last fight from happening, if it was successful.
the beginning of the end... can smell the taint of the catalyst and RGB. still a cool scene though. brining Javik on this mission is always what I do. the added dialog by him is cool. like Legion on Tali's loyalty mission. he belongs in this mission.
+Sherab Tod The council races would've likely been more prepared for the reaper assault. Hell, humanity might have found the plans for the crucible a lil sooner since they didn't start digging on mars again until right before the events of ME3.
+Raven Strategist Yes, indeed. I was angered when I discovered that the "last hope" all the galaxy worked so hard to build was just a part of the master plan of the Reapers to force you to submit to their terms.
+Leon Valenzuela It goes as far back as ME 1 on Ilos as Vigil also has Indoctrination Sensors as it sensed Saren was Indoctrinated but not Shep and Co.
The Indoctrination Theory doesn't say that Shepard is indoctrinated. It says that the Reapers are trying to indoctrinate him/her and they succeed if you pick Synthesis or Control.
IMO Synthesis is the true ending for this plot about Organics VS Machines war since it unites the impossibly irreconcilable difference that is inherent to Creators and their creations's evolutions. Control is just a band-aid that is slapped on since it is admitted by the Shepard consciousness within the Reapers that its not sure if s/he is still the same Shepard that decided this conclusion. And that Synthesis needs the highest EMF points needed to unlock.
4:09 one of Javik's only smiles in the entire main game, experiencing the simple joy of seeing another one of his kind, even in virtual form. Heartwarming.
This is what I loved about Mass Effect 3. I felt like the other 2 were great but they lacked that dialogue/story changing experience just by picking your crewmates makes me put this one at the top. ME3 is also thr first game where I didn't have an obvious favorite crewmate combo.
I don't think so, the dark Energy was supposed to accelerate the aging of the stars (Harmstorm sun)/assimilate the Galaxy It shouldn't be able to influence the conflicts in the Milky way It's not sentient
nope, they are 2 different people zaeed was DLC from ME2 and can be found/recruited in ME3 pending you recruited him and he lived thru the suicide mission at the end of ME2....... or you can take the easier route and recruit him and kasumi in the post game to guarantee their survival and still see them in ME3
I wish Bioware did not give an origin story for the Reapers with the ending and the Leviathan DLC. It made them much more mysterious, much more frightening, and intimidating.
I agree. I think unmystifying them by saying that their creators still can be found in this cycle was dumb. The Leviathans should've been an extinct race and only remains from their time should've revealed the origin story, not directly from the horse's mouth... the same goes with Javik to be honest. I like him, but I wish they hadn't made a living prothean in our cycle be a part of the story because it cheapens the fiction IMO.
+Linkenski I agree to a certain extent, until the part with Javik. i like him in the game & it kinda collates with the fact that for most of the time, you can't defeat an enemy you know next to nothing about. having him here gives lotsa insights about shit loads of things, making defeating the reapers somehow actually look more feasible. the Leviathans on the other hand, is an incredibly dumb move. the whole shit had been going on for millions of years & the Leviathans are supposed to be older than that. you'd have thought that the reapers would have found the remnants of their creators somehow throughout those millions of years, & wiped them out.
what follows is the biggest fuckup in gaming history. never have i been, and never will i again, feel so frustrated about plot incompetence and railwaying than during the kai leng encounter
Javik: Listen to the human. He can be trusted. Prothean VI: Your mission was known to me.Do you believe the present cycle can deliver retribution? Javik: THEY HAVE EARNED THE RIGHT TO TRY. Prothean VI: Very Well Me & Shepherd: MY NIGGA!!
I always loved and do love(yep still do reruns...man o man every rerun i find something new..a new piece of dialogue to new loyality..etc) Garrus and Javik..OR Javik and wrex (when available)
why is it the security protocol is hide behind Shepard, like this vi does nothing else, it can clearly detect things but instead of making so it can't be pulled from the beacon it just hides. like wtf?
Vendetta is interesting. We never actually get much information out of it before Cerberus get their hands on it. And because we know they tampered with it, all information given by Vendetta after this point is suspect. So all we know for sure is: 1/ Repeating Cycles imply there's a greater design involved beyond the Reapers (speculation, confirmed as being essentially a mistake caused by the hubris of the Leviathans though could also potentially be something else as well due to the suspect informations the Leviathans themselves give). 2/ The Catalyst is a thing required to make the Crucible function. 3/ Vendetta can interface with "your systems" (directed at Shepard), either meaning the Crucible (though maybe not due to referring to it directly in the very same sentence) or Shepard's suit or even Shepard's body to "assist" with the Catalyst to... Do what? I still think the AI at the end of the game is not the true Catalyst. Shepard is - an unchanging addition to a formula that causes the reaction. Could be wrong, of course, but it makes a lot more sense to me.
5:15 so even though the reapers are destroyed the cycle will still continue? The Reaper on Ranoch said it was something that shepard could not understand so is there like more to the story than just the reapers?
+Steven Its just a leftover story plot from the original writer of the story. He planned a more mystically ending with the reapers being a tool of some great power that causes this cycle. The new writers just never thought of removing it. The story is filled with plot holes because of this change of writers.
+Steven The repetition of every cycle is still not clearly explained yet. Even the Catalyst only observed that such cycles exist. So the theory of a "Great Being/Power" is not fully over, maybe we'll get more explanation in ME Andromeda ( though we don't know much about this game... )
+Steven Here's another interpretation, without going out of the scope of the game (so I'm just going over the story and DLC, and not talking about what the writers did or thought, or what EA or Bioware did, etc). Long post ahead though. On the Leviathan DLC you find out about the creators of the Reapers. They were an organic form a lot bigger and powerful than most other races, that watched from the shadows the same cycle repeat in the galaxy: -Lesser organic beings try to augment themselves with technology, ended up creating AIs to help them with this. -The AIs eventually grow sentient -Be it the AIs or the organics themselves that start with it, eventually wars break out between AIs and organics. -The war devastates both sides, none recovers, both perish. -A long time after, other, less-evolved organics that didn't matter on the war, eventually evolve enough to repeat from step 1. So these Leviathans tried to find a solution, and in so created the AI that later became known as the Catalyst. This AI (Sheppard visualizes it as the Starchild) was tasked with preserving life being lost because of this cycle of wars between organics and synthetics. Its response? "I can't stop the wars or the cycles, but I can preserve life from each cycle. As in, preserve them in hybrid form". This way the wars don't devastate each side, and instead something from them lives on to the next cycle. That hybrid form, are the Reapers. Which even makes it easier to harvest the next cycle, since the Reaper army becomes stronger and more varied after each harvest. The Leviathans weren't expecting this response, and worse yet, they weren't expecting to be the first to be harvested. The AI judged that the Leviathans, despite surviving through several cycles, were still bound to the same failings each cycles' Organics had. Harbringer was the first Reaper, which came out of the harvest of the Leviathans, the strongest Organic lifeform now known to exist lore-wise. --- Cut to the endings, if you pick destroy, you kill the Reapers. Are you back to square one? Are the wars between Organics and Synthetics doomed to be repeated? That's what the Catalyst (and by extension, the Reapers) believe. Except, this AI has no knowledge of what's going to happen to a Cycle that goes through the Reaper threat and survives. Now this cycle KNOWS about the existence of previous cycles, has access to lot of dead reaper tech dating countless civilizations and cycles back, and managed to unite itself galaxy-wide against an enemy of immeasurable proportions. Is that gonna be enough to be careful not to commit past cycles mistakes? That's the hope you need to have to go through with the Destroy ending and feel satisfied with the Destroy ending of the ME trilogy. --- I'll note that despite I like the ending/s (though Destroy is my favorite), I played them with most of the DLC and I think it mattered a lot to my enjoyment. I won't comment on how good or bad the endings were before it, though I know most people hate them.
Imagine if the stupid prothean VI immediately told Shepard to start downloading the data and while the download would be goingthat the Catalyst is actually the Citadel. After that you could just run away from Kai Leng and his plot armor instead of fighting him.
That's something that always bugged me. The Protheans were sabotaged by indoctrinated individuals. Yet Vendetta senses the ninja dude before he sees him... so why was this technology not employed more broadly to hunt down those under the effects of indoctrination?
If this is a Prothean beacon then it communicates via object reading, so you don't need to remove the statue to talk to it. And it is a holographic UI which also doesn't need to have the statue removed.
Spoiler Obviously::: Basically Reapers are not in control of the cycles because they are tools of it. Explaning the origins makes it easier to understand you should get it better after reading this Leviathans a ancient race travelled all around the galaxy and subjugated species they encountered. The species served them and in return the Leviathans looked after them. They noticed a cycle where synthetics created by the species they ruled over kept on rebelling and wiping their creators out so in response they created a The catalyst with it's sole purpose to preserve life. The Catalyst created a pawn army to gather genetic data of many species around the galaxy using that data it came to the conclusion that the Leviathans were a part of the problem so the Catalyst turned against it's creator the Leviathans. It used it's army of pawns to almost wipe out the leviathans, then applying their genetic material it [[created the first reaper]], Harbinger. The Catalyst's solution was to [[use the reapers]] to harvest organic species at the apex of their existence every 50.000 years, preserving their DNA to construct new reapers after each harvest a new reaper is born. So essentially they're destroying advanced species before they have the chance to create vastly superior synthetics that will rebel and destroy them in turn cause chaos and destabilize the peace and balance within the galaxy. In short Breaking a cycle, with another cycle that has less ramifications - hence reapers not being control of they cycle.
ace9846 the reapers didn't screw them them, it was just following their own directive to by any means necessary stop wars between synthetic and organic and by following that saw that the creators "leviathans" were part of the problem as well... but the reapers are also inherently corrupt in their own thought process and can't see any other solution to the problem hence why the cycles just continued and continued ....
Hello, if you’re alive there is still time. the chest piece is called Armax Arsenal. It’s on the Rannoch: Admiral Koris mission. Look around while disabling one of the AA guns and you should find it. It increases ammo capacity which is kinda useless but looks cool as fuck.
@@VisceralHamster It's not useless if you're using the Prothean Particle Cannon. The weapon takes time to get to full power, so the higher your max ammo, the longer you can put out the heavy damage. Depending on your build, that can be a pretty big deal.
Nearly four years later, still pissed that they buggered up the ending. I mean, you play the game to defeat the Reapers, and instead allow them to chose how you do so? That just makes out that the Reapers were right in their actions. Whole thing soiled Mass Effect and Bioware for me.
+RavenRyy Exactly. Maybe it was made on purpose with that intent (to show that no matter how hard you worked, at the end they were still much more powerful than you), but still sucks how there wasn't an ending where you actually defeat the Reapers under your own terms, not theirs, even if it was the hardest to get.
Sextus70 Sad tae say, I think you are giving them too much credit. That ending didn't fit the theme they were running in which you defeat these odds. I heard a rumour that the head writer of ME3 just announced they where scrapping the plans they had for an ending and he rewrote the whole thing himself, giving us that horrible and bland finale in which we all got the same fecking ending but with different colours.
+RavenRyy Actually this were the endings that fit the game more. And that one had the reapers killing everyone because the use of Eezo was killing stars with Dark Energy.
lambusado Nope, that was planned and hinted at in ME2, but scrapped for part 3. The bastard StarChild explained the Reapers purpose was to stop organics and synthetics from warring on each other as there could be no peace between the two types of life. This is DESPITE the fact that the Quarrians and Geth can make peace if you play the game right. But the StarChild's insane logic is canon. Bioware done fucked up. It was most likely EA's interfering that caused the fuck up, but Bioware are the ones take the blame.
it's so scary to think that in mass effect the reapers have been to our galaxy so many times that literal god tier civilizations were able to be born only to be stricken down by reapers over millions of years in the galaxy.
Its not so scary when you think about it. Because they used always the Citadel backdoor, crush all government that always got placed in the Citadel and when all control was gone, they just hunted down the stragling solo systems that offered only limited resistence while also having access to Alpha relay granting them opportunity to strike everywhere at once. They literally always have had the jump on people unaware. First time they didnt have that advantage they lost. Which begs the question - Why no other race thought about it way way earlier that the Citadel might be a death trap? Why nobody scanned the keepers - protheans did it AND in our cycle even the Salarian and the Volus researchers did it? Were those 2 the only smart cycles trying to understand the keepers or what?
@@Dark_Voice If I recall there was some cut dialogue that mentioned some cycles have struggled and resisted more ((I.e didn't instantly roll over and die to the reapers invasion but put up a fight)) but we're still harvested. Apparently there's also some cut dialogue for the catalyst that was originally supposed to imply that Shepard wasn't the first but second organic to ever meet it which meant the crucible has been finished before but whoever made it chose not to fire it. I can understand why they cut that since bioware didn't have time to make some deeper plot about the crucible being SUS.
@@comandercarnis I think what you are talking about was Leviathan "Can you tell me about the Crucible?" "We have watched its construction before. It has never been completed. Those who have tried still fell victim to the Harvest. Its outcome is unknown." The cut dialogue is in direct disagreement with the end product as Leviathan clearly states that it has never been completed. Also define fighting because even Protheans resisted for 300 years before going down. It seems some people got the Crucible sort of built like the Protheans who didnt manage to get the Catalyst, Citadel was too well protected and got whiped out as Liara said "It was incomplete, there was a missing component. Here. Something refered to only as "The Catalyst"." and from Priority: Cerberus HQ we know that Protheans also knew what the Catalyst was. So it seems like Protheans were a race that you're refering to. Javik says that they never finished it. It seems they tried to map all the components first, couldnt get their hands on the Citadel, THEN tried to build it without Citadel and got whiped out before it was ready to use and Citadel was never recaptured. (Its like if humans were building the Crucible, the VI on Thessia would tell them that the Catalyst is the Citadel after which Shepard would try to get hands of the Citadel, would get defeated. Then Reapers would move Citadel to the space between stars and nobody could find it, Crucible was only an incomplete powersource and the united fleets got whiped out in Priority: Earth which lead to slow burn of all resistence and according to Liara after "at least 100 years" everyone was harvested) Other than that, I dont know.
One thing I don't understand is how Vendetta knew who Javik was. During the Prothean extinction the Reapers used the Citadel to isolate all the systems from each other and cull them slowly one at a time. How did he know him if he was a completely seperate part of the galaxy?
Coll thing that they ignored all this speech and just decided " oh well.. Fuck this.. Ypu willd ie anyway and we will force 3 incoherent endings on your ass."
As much as people enjoy this dialogue, this is exactly why I DON'T bring Javik with me on Thessia. If you do, it takes away from all that Shepard's gone through-the whole idea of "You have the cipher from Feros, and the beacon thinks you're Prothean!" goes out the window when Javik is right there, and vouches for you instead. Makes Shepard seem less important.
You're shepherd literally came back from the dead by This point. Why is it so hard to concede that you aren't the most important entity in this particular moment?
@@1597B Yeah, it would have been. But it was only ME3 when we saw a female krogan for the first time, and a DLC for a female turian. I'm not sure how much time and energy they would have been willing to design a totally new alien species at that point, which is a shame.
Can't believe I did everything right the first time, got the right characters to be in the right place. It was all a whim, based on seemingly simple logic like "Reaper invades world, Liara should be here, and Javik too, he needs to see this more than anyone."
This scene kinda disproves the indoctrination theory, the protean VI is capable of recognizing an indoctrinated presence, which doesn't recognize when it sees Shepard
Cuz in the finale game he wasn’t indoctrinated. They cut that idea before the game was released. There’s still plenty of hints with star child, but officially he wasn’t indoctrinated.
"I can't believe my people would keep something like this a secret"
-the Shadow Broker, the most mysterious and secretive being alive in this galaxy.
And shepards possible baby mom
And Liara is bad at that, like every other character and their mother knows her "job"
"The beacon seems to think you're Prothean, Shepard. It must be the cipher you found back on Feros" - Liara.
"Or it could be the Prothean standing next to you." - Javik.
- PWND!
Javik is the troll king of 2 cycles in a row.
That's not even trolling though. He's just stating the obvious (and kind of calling Liara a dumbass at the same time).
+reddwarffan8888 REKT
+everythingisfire But... Liara is right. Beacon activates even if you don't take Javik on the mission. And it clearly communicates with Shepard.
effEKT!!
The theory of shepard being indoctrinated is broken here, because the ai couldnt sense any in him but when Kai leng came it did
At least at this moment.
Not yet fully anyway. Have to say the indoctrination theory is my head cannon
I don't believe he's fully indoctrinated until he gets to the Cerberus base.
@@OfficialFedHater i don't think the writers intended for anything like this though
@@bekirkl4658 No, they flat out said they didn't.
It's still my head canon though.
Javik actually smiled when Vendetta took a Prothean form.
If you were the last of your kind in a world full of aliens and saw something humanoid, wouldn't you smile too?
let's be honest had the asari shared this knowledge, the majority of the crucible could have already been configured.
And the fact that asari in the council deny the existence of the Reaper Is So DUMB. I'm like WTF is being ahead more important than the galaxy
@@gibbyfraustro2509 Ye, asari were selfish.
@@gibbyfraustro2509 Nobody ever actually activated or spoke to the prothean VI. So technically, the asari did NOT have proof that the reapers existed. The beacon detecting shepard and his cypher is what finally activates the VI stored within.
@@precisemotion I refuse to believe that the arasri did not have at least one person be affected by the beacon
@@gibbyfraustro2509 The beacon and the VI are different. The Vi only responds to protheans. Did you not even play mass effect 1 or listen to the dialogue in this scene and see the pillars respond to shepard? Only shepard could activate the VI because he received the cypher, which came from the Thorian, and then Javik because he literally is a prothean.
How would the asari have? Can you explain?
the biggest withheld content/dlc crime EA forced Bioware to commit was removing Javik from the main game.
the Thessia arc's meaning changes with what was most likely supposed to be a mission Liara and Javik are required. the ancient aliens presentation imo is vital and that being cut from the main game and replaced with the optional squad member saying stuff like "its weird/something's not right/ we're missing something" make this quest more shallow imo.
ive seen other scenes where Javik is key.
a shame players who didnt wanna pay that much for the download missed such essential content
Nick Corvello ikr
Bioware should have added Javik as a character to the main story
Goodsman Mastermind Rather, EA shouldn't of twisted their hand.
FORMINCRAFTIA well its EA, what do you expect? I feel ashamed this company' headquarters is just a town away from me :(
Nick Corvello lol
i wish i just can go there and tell them the problems with mass effect 3
Goodsman Mastermind id walk down there (i think i could actually do a 3 mile walk over there if i wanted) and give them a piece of my mind but i feel security would boot me out beforehand :P
"they have earned the right to try"
given javiks view on the primitives, i have to say that was epic of him.
i now like javik
"They used to eat flies."
+Luke Mitchell "It is true... They were a delicacy in my own cycle"
Javik is actually fond of the "Primitives"; he just likes trolling them.
+Elias Javik the Trollthean.
"Amusing, the Asari have finally mastered writing."
6:21 That almost looks like a smile :o
Why is an Asari wearing a breathing mask on her home planet. This ain't Rannoch.
+MrRemorseless
Maybe its a bug or Team Helmets are turned on
+MrRemorseless It's because he put the "Squad Helmets" option to "on". Unfortunately, in this game, breathing masks count as actual helmets so you're stuck with it unless you disable helmets for everyone (except Shepard of course).
cause not wearing a mask is a good way to get space aids
MrRemorseless lol
AlienPOD On consoles it's under the Game play settings in the options menu. I assume it would be the same on PC?
Default Shepard face looks more like a galaxy saving hero. This guy looks like he had been given his spectre status while eating chicken wings on his parents' sofa.
(Glances at Benjamin Sisko)
Ahhahahaha
A true hero for the ages.
You must be blind af. Doesnt look as good, but not as bad as you saym youre projecting your own face.
I get chills playing this mission because a few years ago Kai Leng killed my computer on thessia...
had a hardware failure and my GPU died in the boss battle. lol
Did he eat your cereal too?
@@OfficialFedHater Totino pizza rolls microwaved. Hot on the outside and cold in the middle. Guy's a psycho.
Oh god, kai Leng is so bad that he killed your computer!
Killing people to help the terrorist group that he serves become the master of the galaxy is pretty bad, but when he toasted your computer things got personal. Make him pay! 😄
THAT'S FOR MY GPU, YOU SON OF A BITCH!
Liara was about to explain the Force, Shepard! Why did you interrupt her?
It's also Precursor living time from Halo
Because Disney can copyright the Normandy.
@@dr.chocolates2630 I will throw the primitives known as "Disney" out an airlock.
Liara: "The beacon seem to think you’re Prothean, Shepard. It must be the cipher you found back on Feros"
Javik: "Bitch, I’m RIGHT HERE"
If only Cerberus hadn't interrupted...
the real mistake in it, that you could kill Leng easily here, several times, with the right combos. but no.... the "badass-sceen-cheater" must defeat you..
Gábor Orosz Cutscene incompetence was a recurring problem in ME3.
Commandant Obvious correct
If only the AI Shut up and just answered the damn question instead of trying to explain shit we already kind of figured out on our own. (SPOILER) When you get to the Cerberus Base he can explain it in one sentence 'The Citadel is the Catalyst' IF HE FUCKING DID THAT THEN THERE WOULD BE NO NEED FOR THE LAST THREE LEVELS OF THE GAME. So many people would have been spared, but Noooo, they have to try to explain everything and THEN answer the freaking question.
***** He missed because the plot demanded it
Even without Javik there, you can still find out that Athame was likely a Prothean.
If you examine all the artifacts in the room, eventually you can piece together that the Asari did inherit their technology from the Protheans.
It goes slower, and is much more subtle and vague, but it is there.
Asaris thought they were to top dog in the galaxy only fate would allow a Trollthean to live so he can put her in place
indoctrinated presence detected terminating it's life bit by bit
I love the line "They have earned the right to try."
Time being cyclical is something that sends chills down my spine. Interesting.
you mean the seasons ? like winter ?... or more like in a vedic/hindu kind of way? samsara?
Marc Dufresne More of a universal kind of way. Kind of makes sense that given similar parameters systems would behave similarly over time, in the me universe this is further advanced through the reapers intervention.
+Andy B. This is true in our universe too. Like the saying those who do not learn from history are doomed to repeat it.
+Andy B Battlestar Galactica, Caprica Six says "All this has happened before, and all this will happen again." cylons everywhere!
Andy B leviathans started this eons ago, shepard ended it, legend!
That moment when you realize the Asari had a beacon warning them about the reapers on their homeworld and they still did nothing to prepare for the reapers eventual arrival
Yeah, suddenly they seem much less smart.
I wish Javik talked more :( He's like a Jamaican alien
Nigerian ;)
Javik knows da way
Jamaican? I thought he was some sort of outer space potato man.
Yeah more like Nigerian warlord
they wuz protheanz an shieeet
This Shepard looks like random, general NPC xD
And this explains why Control and Synthesis endings are exactly what the Reapers want.
Run quiet for a few years, make everyone think Shepard's got shit under control and then BOOM, HARVEST BITCHES
Control is what they already have basically, synthesis is what they've always seeked, and destroy is chaos unless Shepard's cycle proves to be different like it hints and the synthetics they inevitably create will be at peace like EDI and Joker or the Geth and the Quarians. It's still a shame Shepard can't challenge the Catalyst's logic by using EDI and the Geth as evidence of a peaceful pattern of created vs creators.
+Linkenski The likes of reapers have seen countless synthetic-organic relations for thousands of millennia, & have concluded long ago that without synthesis--something organics are usually very unwilling to go through, those relations will eventually always suffer. even if Shep brought about a successful reconciliation between the Geth & the Quarians, & then EDI to bear, the catalyst would just dismiss these to be extreme, isolated, outlier cases, & not worth fighting over.
Falcon Windblade "The likes of reapers have seen countless synthetic-organic relations for thousands of millennia, & have concluded long ago that without synthesis--something organics are usually very unwilling to go through"
I believe everyone who played the extended cut understand as much, but the problem is still exactly this; The empirical data in the reasoning is missing from what the player can relate to; what we have seen throughout Mass Effect 1 and 2 and 3 until the ending.
There is no context beyond what the Leviathan or the Catalyst talks about. You can buy it if you're okay with *their* version of the events, but Mass Effect as a narrative was not about the story the Catalyst is referring to, and thus it becomes an incredibly weak ending becase you're forced to consider such a huge choice for an issue we've not even experienced, we've only been told about it. It's basic "show don't tell" done wrong. It's the typical example of what bad writers do.
The Geth and Quarians is a complete strawman argument in relation to the Catalyst's story. In good stories the events reinforce whatever will be addressed in the ending to form a conclusion -- it's like writing an essay or a bachelor. You make exposition, analysis and perspectivate. A leads to B, B leads to C so as a reader you can follow the logic. In the ending you can't because information is too vague or missing to resonate emotioanlly with any of the really effectively written events *throughout the trilogy*.
ME3 doesn't follow through, and it doesn't matter how much some vague lore of millenia ago justifies it; as a *story* it completely fails to resonate. It's just bad storytelling. I would even argue Mass Effect 3 is barely a story anymore by the time the ending happens because there is no flow of logic that leads from A to B to C. Instead there is "A to B to ??????" or "?????? to ?????? to C"
The flow of events in the story don't follow. It's not a proper story
Linkenski I'm stating that from the reapers' point of view, whatever argument Shepard can throw doesn't hold water at all. that's all i'm saying. i don't like the ending just about as much as everyone else. & the fact that cyborgs can be made throughout the galaxy with just a beam of green energy flooding places is goddamn sloppy & ridiculous in the first place.
How's that? Even after aligning the both Admiral Raan states the conflicts are possible. It's only a matter of time between a rift is open between Quarian conservatives and Geth, again. Synthesis is the best logic because it is the final solution that the Catalyst never came to understand hence the endless cycles. Had they done synthesis in the first cycle and nobody would've have needed to be exterminated.
"By the Goddess, literally!" :D
What did she mean by this?
The Thessia mission has no meaning without Javik
4:33 is exactly why the Control ending is BS
+Naomi Amani Except the fact that Shepard isn't indoctrinated like the Illusive Man and his ilk.
firefox3249 I personally believe Shepard was in the process of the Repears attempting Indoctrination on Shep. That's the canon I believe that it's Shepard's mental battle fighting the Reapers influence. The ILM is already in it deep though most definitely Whatever the end sequence was of ME3 he basically tries to stop Shep bc he thinks he can control the Reapers but it's logically impossible.
Naomi Amani You fail to realise an important factor. If you've ever read the Codex, you'd know that long term indoctrination is a slow process that takes weeks to complete. Shepard wasn't exposed long enough to any Reaper elements in order to get indoctrinated. Also, do not forget that the "Indoctrination Theory" is 100% fan made and that Bioware never confirmed it.
firefox3249 Personally I can never accept the star child Shepard-deity BS they tried to throw us in the ending. The Indoctrination Theory may not have been confirmed by BW but I can't accept these supposed "choices" they gave us in the end which realistically aren't possible unless Shepard just knows space magic or is "The One" now. I have to disagree that Shepard hasn't been exposed to Reaper signatures long enough to be affected. The Reaper IFF in the Normandy is one factor I think can't be ignored. Shep has also been exposed to Reaper tech around the Universe which even when out of commission can still affect people. Shepard is too big an asset in the mind of the Reapers to not try and take a shot at infiltrating one of sentient life's most prolific leaders. They could have killed Shepard multiple times easily. I don't think it's pure luck and skill that Shepard is still alive. Nothing in the endings were very conclusive so the way people interpret the ending of the trilogy I feel will be debated until the end of time based on how they believe is the "right ending.". I respect your opinion though.
Naomi Amani Yeah, Shepard did get near Reaper elements (the IFF isn't one of them), but he didn't stay long enough. While he still can be indoctrinated over a short amount of time, he'd end up a mindless drone really quickly (in a matter of days). Seriously, just read some entries of the Codex and you'll confirm it yourself.
Also, the star child story is kinda shit. I'll give you that one
Like the rest of us, Sheppard just kinda drones out whenever Liara starts talking.
TGGeko i know i do :P
Look I love Liara so much but sometimes she just needs to be quiet
Ah man never laughed so hard at a RUclips comment
I just drone out whenever the lady beside me starts talking
She was too annoying and is basically an Asari version of Mordin so I romanced Tali instead.
Wait.. what would the Prothean VI do by interacting with the catalyst? Could he cockblock the ghost child?
Douglas William well we know based on the prothean way of life from Javik, it likely would've remotely fired it to destroy all Synthetic, and thus would've saved the entire last fight from happening, if it was successful.
In a demented way I always found this mission funny af because Javik denies Liara's whole history its sad but I found it so funny
the beginning of the end... can smell the taint of the catalyst and RGB. still a cool scene though. brining Javik on this mission is always what I do. the added dialog by him is cool. like Legion on Tali's loyalty mission. he belongs in this mission.
ME3 was cursed feom the word go. The crucible itself was the origin of the problem.
honestly i fought Liara was fading out because Shepard was tired of her history shit. closing his eyes and wishing for it to end.
Hahaha lmao
I wish the game had let you pick up that sword and shield at around 2:56 and fight Kai Leng with it.
i wonder what would have happend if it was possible to find javik in me1
+Sherab Tod The council races would've likely been more prepared for the reaper assault. Hell, humanity might have found the plans for the crucible a lil sooner since they didn't start digging on mars again until right before the events of ME3.
+James Sinn Indeed aside the fact that the crucible is a trap.
+Sherab Tod possible that they would keep him in ice or kill him too.. for fearing the myth th unknown
Natasha Zinkiy we will never know.
+Raven Strategist Yes, indeed.
I was angered when I discovered that the "last hope" all the galaxy worked so hard to build was just a part of the master plan of the Reapers to force you to submit to their terms.
I love how Jarvik starts as openly hostile and then grows to respect Commander Shepard. He was great
6:37 so Shepherd can't be one; indoctrination theory: false
+Leon Valenzuela It goes as far back as ME 1 on Ilos as Vigil also has Indoctrination Sensors as it sensed Saren was Indoctrinated but not Shep and Co.
The Indoctrination Theory doesn't say that Shepard is indoctrinated. It says that the Reapers are trying to indoctrinate him/her and they succeed if you pick Synthesis or Control.
What is bad about those options? Both lead to peace.
IMO Synthesis is the true ending for this plot about Organics VS Machines war since it unites the impossibly irreconcilable difference that is inherent to Creators and their creations's evolutions. Control is just a band-aid that is slapped on since it is admitted by the Shepard consciousness within the Reapers that its not sure if s/he is still the same Shepard that decided this conclusion. And that Synthesis needs the highest EMF points needed to unlock.
+J. Louie Dinorog What if it didn't give me the option for synthesis. what did I do wrong???
4:09 one of Javik's only smiles in the entire main game, experiencing the simple joy of seeing another one of his kind, even in virtual form. Heartwarming.
Javik: "Listen to the human. He can be trusted."
Shepard: "Thank you, Javik!"
This is what I loved about Mass Effect 3. I felt like the other 2 were great but they lacked that dialogue/story changing experience just by picking your crewmates makes me put this one at the top. ME3 is also thr first game where I didn't have an obvious favorite crewmate combo.
edi/garrus. strongest combo imo. I always pick them.
You're right about 1, but not 2. 2 was all about building a sizeable crew and their unique dialogues when taking them on missions.
@@lawlestest liara/garrus for me xD.
Love that they basically confirm the dark energy theory toward the end
I don't think so, the dark Energy was supposed to accelerate the aging of the stars (Harmstorm sun)/assimilate the Galaxy
It shouldn't be able to influence the conflicts in the Milky way
It's not sentient
Starting to think Javik is the Zaeed Masani from ME3
nope, they are 2 different people zaeed was DLC from ME2 and can be found/recruited in ME3 pending you recruited him and he lived thru the suicide mission at the end of ME2....... or you can take the easier route and recruit him and kasumi in the post game to guarantee their survival and still see them in ME3
Creative Gaming actually i did the first option twice
Creative Gaming You pretty much automatically recruit Zaeed when you arrive on Omega, of which you have to visit to get Mordin.
@@ARCEUS493ZELDA I think recruiting Zaeed makes the suicide mission MUCH MUCH easier since you get another 4 score person for the final hold the line.
Liara and javiks relationship.
Liara: "stop gaslighting me!"
Javik: "there you go making uo words again Asari"
Javik literally talking to a ghost of his people. Chilling.
"Or it could be the prothean standing right next to you."- Javik. Lol that was good
Never noticed Javiks little smile when the vi takes prothean form
ahhh Mass effect 3 one of the epic games i played....exciting and you get the feeling of tension that the enemy is no mere mortal.
I wish Bioware did not give an origin story for the Reapers with the ending and the Leviathan DLC. It made them much more mysterious, much more frightening, and intimidating.
It also gave us a Shitty ending whose only difference was the color of the Explosion and literally nothing else.
I agree. I think unmystifying them by saying that their creators still can be found in this cycle was dumb. The Leviathans should've been an extinct race and only remains from their time should've revealed the origin story, not directly from the horse's mouth... the same goes with Javik to be honest. I like him, but I wish they hadn't made a living prothean in our cycle be a part of the story because it cheapens the fiction IMO.
Demon Hunter They would still have their origin, whether you like it or not
Demon Hunter Explaination always destroys the mystery. You can have your own answer for a never officialy solved mystery.
+Linkenski I agree to a certain extent, until the part with Javik. i like him in the game & it kinda collates with the fact that for most of the time, you can't defeat an enemy you know next to nothing about. having him here gives lotsa insights about shit loads of things, making defeating the reapers somehow actually look more feasible. the Leviathans on the other hand, is an incredibly dumb move. the whole shit had been going on for millions of years & the Leviathans are supposed to be older than that. you'd have thought that the reapers would have found the remnants of their creators somehow throughout those millions of years, & wiped them out.
"Do you think this cycle can deliver retribution?"
"Shepard will make Sovereign his bitch, so yeah, I think so" :P
what follows is the biggest fuckup in gaming history. never have i been, and never will i again, feel so frustrated about plot incompetence and railwaying than during the kai leng encounter
Javik: Listen to the human. He can be trusted.
Prothean VI: Your mission was known to me.Do you believe the present cycle can deliver retribution?
Javik: THEY HAVE EARNED THE RIGHT TO TRY.
Prothean VI: Very Well
Me & Shepherd: MY NIGGA!!
This is the part the bums me out, having javik in me3 just takes up a spot on your team for his knowledge but I like garrus and tali.
I always loved and do love(yep still do reruns...man o man every rerun i find something new..a new piece of dialogue to new loyality..etc) Garrus and Javik..OR Javik and wrex (when available)
i like your armor customization
"It must be the cypher you found back on Feros."
"Or it could be the Prothean standing next to you."
SO MUCH SHADE!!!!
I love Javik.
prothean sugar dadday
why is it the security protocol is hide behind Shepard, like this vi does nothing else, it can clearly detect things but instead of making so it can't be pulled from the beacon it just hides. like wtf?
It activates security protocols which Kai Leng breaks while Shepard and his squad climbs back\wakes up after the fight
I remember getting goosebumps this part of the game. Ah, good times.
is shepard supposed to look like spawn?
Vendetta is interesting. We never actually get much information out of it before Cerberus get their hands on it. And because we know they tampered with it, all information given by Vendetta after this point is suspect. So all we know for sure is:
1/ Repeating Cycles imply there's a greater design involved beyond the Reapers (speculation, confirmed as being essentially a mistake caused by the hubris of the Leviathans though could also potentially be something else as well due to the suspect informations the Leviathans themselves give).
2/ The Catalyst is a thing required to make the Crucible function.
3/ Vendetta can interface with "your systems" (directed at Shepard), either meaning the Crucible (though maybe not due to referring to it directly in the very same sentence) or Shepard's suit or even Shepard's body to "assist" with the Catalyst to... Do what?
I still think the AI at the end of the game is not the true Catalyst. Shepard is - an unchanging addition to a formula that causes the reaction. Could be wrong, of course, but it makes a lot more sense to me.
Love how we noticed the slit throats and then forgot "oh someone could be waiting" like wtf shepard your supposed to be smart.
5:15 so even though the reapers are destroyed the cycle will still continue? The Reaper on Ranoch said it was something that shepard could not understand so is there like more to the story than just the reapers?
+Steven Its just a leftover story plot from the original writer of the story. He planned a more mystically ending with the reapers being a tool of some great power that causes this cycle. The new writers just never thought of removing it. The story is filled with plot holes because of this change of writers.
+StormJaw He left to write books and those were not bad. Games suffered greatly though (In my opinion).
+Steven The repetition of every cycle is still not clearly explained yet. Even the Catalyst only observed that such cycles exist. So the theory of a "Great Being/Power" is not fully over, maybe we'll get more explanation in ME Andromeda ( though we don't know much about this game... )
+Tinousewen Honestly, Id rather think of it as the Writers subtly saying BIOWARE and EA are the power that controls the changes of the Cycles.
+Steven Here's another interpretation, without going out of the scope of the game (so I'm just going over the story and DLC, and not talking about what the writers did or thought, or what EA or Bioware did, etc). Long post ahead though.
On the Leviathan DLC you find out about the creators of the Reapers. They were an organic form a lot bigger and powerful than most other races, that watched from the shadows the same cycle repeat in the galaxy:
-Lesser organic beings try to augment themselves with technology, ended up creating AIs to help them with this.
-The AIs eventually grow sentient
-Be it the AIs or the organics themselves that start with it, eventually wars break out between AIs and organics.
-The war devastates both sides, none recovers, both perish.
-A long time after, other, less-evolved organics that didn't matter on the war, eventually evolve enough to repeat from step 1.
So these Leviathans tried to find a solution, and in so created the AI that later became known as the Catalyst. This AI (Sheppard visualizes it as the Starchild) was tasked with preserving life being lost because of this cycle of wars between organics and synthetics.
Its response? "I can't stop the wars or the cycles, but I can preserve life from each cycle. As in, preserve them in hybrid form". This way the wars don't devastate each side, and instead something from them lives on to the next cycle. That hybrid form, are the Reapers. Which even makes it easier to harvest the next cycle, since the Reaper army becomes stronger and more varied after each harvest.
The Leviathans weren't expecting this response, and worse yet, they weren't expecting to be the first to be harvested. The AI judged that the Leviathans, despite surviving through several cycles, were still bound to the same failings each cycles' Organics had. Harbringer was the first Reaper, which came out of the harvest of the Leviathans, the strongest Organic lifeform now known to exist lore-wise.
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Cut to the endings, if you pick destroy, you kill the Reapers. Are you back to square one? Are the wars between Organics and Synthetics doomed to be repeated? That's what the Catalyst (and by extension, the Reapers) believe.
Except, this AI has no knowledge of what's going to happen to a Cycle that goes through the Reaper threat and survives. Now this cycle KNOWS about the existence of previous cycles, has access to lot of dead reaper tech dating countless civilizations and cycles back, and managed to unite itself galaxy-wide against an enemy of immeasurable proportions. Is that gonna be enough to be careful not to commit past cycles mistakes? That's the hope you need to have to go through with the Destroy ending and feel satisfied with the Destroy ending of the ME trilogy.
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I'll note that despite I like the ending/s (though Destroy is my favorite), I played them with most of the DLC and I think it mattered a lot to my enjoyment. I won't comment on how good or bad the endings were before it, though I know most people hate them.
I try to give all squad members their screen time, but for this mission I will always choose Javik. The character is just perfect for the mission.
Hey, 2021 guy here, glad you put an imperfect complexion on your Shepard
Imagine if the stupid prothean VI immediately told Shepard to start downloading the data and while the download would be goingthat the Catalyst is actually the Citadel. After that you could just run away from Kai Leng and his plot armor instead of fighting him.
It's really interesting regarding the pattern of evolution after each harvest, too bad they didn't flesh it out more.
i like how they made the protheans a race of badmans
Imagine talking to an ancient alien, who is basically a god; someone whose very existence inspired religion amongst our earliest ancestors!
Yo your Shepard looks like Jason Statham 😂
I like the Bill Burr looking Shepard.
is Shepard's armor modded? It looks badass!
This scene was so intense the first time I played it
so the commercial before the video was about gay bears... was um.. interesting
That's something that always bugged me. The Protheans were sabotaged by indoctrinated individuals. Yet Vendetta senses the ninja dude before he sees him... so why was this technology not employed more broadly to hunt down those under the effects of indoctrination?
This technology was developed as the lat resort to warn future cycles. It was probably too late for them by this point to use it against the reapers
What armor is your sheppy wearing?
If this is a Prothean beacon then it communicates via object reading, so you don't need to remove the statue to talk to it. And it is a holographic UI which also doesn't need to have the statue removed.
Someone explain to me what the Protheon and Liara, meant by the cycles and reapers not being the ones in control of it. I'm confused.
Spoiler Obviously:::
Basically Reapers are not in control of the cycles because they are tools of it.
Explaning the origins makes it easier to understand you should get it better after reading this
Leviathans a ancient race travelled all around the galaxy and subjugated species they encountered. The species served them and in return the Leviathans looked after them. They noticed a cycle where synthetics created by the species they ruled over kept on rebelling and wiping their creators out so in response they created a The catalyst with it's sole purpose to preserve life.
The Catalyst created a pawn army to gather genetic data of many species around the galaxy using that data it came to the conclusion that the Leviathans were a part of the problem so the Catalyst turned against it's creator the Leviathans. It used it's army of pawns to almost wipe out the leviathans, then applying their genetic material it [[created the first reaper]], Harbinger.
The Catalyst's solution was to [[use the reapers]] to harvest organic species at the apex of their existence every 50.000 years, preserving their DNA to construct new reapers after each harvest a new reaper is born. So essentially they're destroying advanced species before they have the chance to create vastly superior synthetics that will rebel and destroy them in turn cause chaos and destabilize the peace and balance within the galaxy. In short Breaking a cycle, with another cycle that has less ramifications - hence reapers not being control of they cycle.
ace9846 play the game. it will make sense.
ace9846 So, basically, the one/thing who was behind all this was the Catalyst? That's the mastermind?
Bipedalius Australopithecus Basically yes, after it screwed over it's creators.
ace9846 the reapers didn't screw them them, it was just following their own directive to by any means necessary stop wars between synthetic and organic and by following that saw that the creators "leviathans" were part of the problem as well... but the reapers are also inherently corrupt in their own thought process and can't see any other solution to the problem hence why the cycles just continued and continued ....
what's the armour Shepard is wearing dude ?
Yea I agree
Hello, if you’re alive there is still time. the chest piece is called Armax Arsenal.
It’s on the Rannoch: Admiral Koris mission. Look around while disabling one of the AA guns and you should find it.
It increases ammo capacity which is kinda useless but looks cool as fuck.
@@VisceralHamster It's not useless if you're using the Prothean Particle Cannon. The weapon takes time to get to full power, so the higher your max ammo, the longer you can put out the heavy damage. Depending on your build, that can be a pretty big deal.
Nearly four years later, still pissed that they buggered up the ending.
I mean, you play the game to defeat the Reapers, and instead allow them to chose how you do so? That just makes out that the Reapers were right in their actions.
Whole thing soiled Mass Effect and Bioware for me.
+RavenRyy Exactly. Maybe it was made on purpose with that intent (to show that no matter how hard you worked, at the end they were still much more powerful than you), but still sucks how there wasn't an ending where you actually defeat the Reapers under your own terms, not theirs, even if it was the hardest to get.
Sextus70
Sad tae say, I think you are giving them too much credit. That ending didn't fit the theme they were running in which you defeat these odds. I heard a rumour that the head writer of ME3 just announced they where scrapping the plans they had for an ending and he rewrote the whole thing himself, giving us that horrible and bland finale in which we all got the same fecking ending but with different colours.
+RavenRyy Actually this were the endings that fit the game more.
And that one had the reapers killing everyone because the use of Eezo was killing stars with Dark Energy.
lambusado
Nope, that was planned and hinted at in ME2, but scrapped for part 3. The bastard StarChild explained the Reapers purpose was to stop organics and synthetics from warring on each other as there could be no peace between the two types of life.
This is DESPITE the fact that the Quarrians and Geth can make peace if you play the game right.
But the StarChild's insane logic is canon.
Bioware done fucked up. It was most likely EA's interfering that caused the fuck up, but Bioware are the ones take the blame.
+RavenRyy nah its not that important, the mass effect trilogy is still great
it's so scary to think that in mass effect the reapers have been to our galaxy so many times that literal god tier civilizations were able to be born only to be stricken down by reapers over millions of years in the galaxy.
Its not so scary when you think about it. Because they used always the Citadel backdoor, crush all government that always got placed in the Citadel and when all control was gone, they just hunted down the stragling solo systems that offered only limited resistence while also having access to Alpha relay granting them opportunity to strike everywhere at once.
They literally always have had the jump on people unaware. First time they didnt have that advantage they lost. Which begs the question - Why no other race thought about it way way earlier that the Citadel might be a death trap? Why nobody scanned the keepers - protheans did it AND in our cycle even the Salarian and the Volus researchers did it? Were those 2 the only smart cycles trying to understand the keepers or what?
@@Dark_Voice it's implied the reapers have had hiccups in other cycles but not big enough ones to prevent the harvest.
@@comandercarnis When was it ever implied?
@@Dark_Voice If I recall there was some cut dialogue that mentioned some cycles have struggled and resisted more ((I.e didn't instantly roll over and die to the reapers invasion but put up a fight)) but we're still harvested.
Apparently there's also some cut dialogue for the catalyst that was originally supposed to imply that Shepard wasn't the first but second organic to ever meet it which meant the crucible has been finished before but whoever made it chose not to fire it. I can understand why they cut that since bioware didn't have time to make some deeper plot about the crucible being SUS.
@@comandercarnis I think what you are talking about was Leviathan "Can you tell me about the Crucible?" "We have watched its construction before. It has never been completed. Those who have tried still fell victim to the Harvest. Its outcome is unknown."
The cut dialogue is in direct disagreement with the end product as Leviathan clearly states that it has never been completed.
Also define fighting because even Protheans resisted for 300 years before going down. It seems some people got the Crucible sort of built like the Protheans who didnt manage to get the Catalyst, Citadel was too well protected and got whiped out as Liara said "It was incomplete, there was a missing component. Here. Something refered to only as "The Catalyst"." and from Priority: Cerberus HQ we know that Protheans also knew what the Catalyst was. So it seems like Protheans were a race that you're refering to. Javik says that they never finished it. It seems they tried to map all the components first, couldnt get their hands on the Citadel, THEN tried to build it without Citadel and got whiped out before it was ready to use and Citadel was never recaptured. (Its like if humans were building the Crucible, the VI on Thessia would tell them that the Catalyst is the Citadel after which Shepard would try to get hands of the Citadel, would get defeated. Then Reapers would move Citadel to the space between stars and nobody could find it, Crucible was only an incomplete powersource and the united fleets got whiped out in Priority: Earth which lead to slow burn of all resistence and according to Liara after "at least 100 years" everyone was harvested)
Other than that, I dont know.
Oh *good call taking Javik with you on that mission* VideoGameSophistry
One thing I don't understand is how Vendetta knew who Javik was. During the Prothean extinction the Reapers used the Citadel to isolate all the systems from each other and cull them slowly one at a time. How did he know him if he was a completely seperate part of the galaxy?
vendetta is a supercomputer. He has all knowledge of protheans. And Javik was a celebrated soldier.
@@roninforge Born in the middle of the Reaper Harvest where every world had to face the Reapers alone and without contact with one another.
@@roninforge they probably used the beacons to send few messages, like the warning on Eden Prime with Ilos informations
Coll thing that they ignored all this speech and just decided " oh well.. Fuck this.. Ypu willd ie anyway and we will force 3 incoherent endings on your ass."
As much as people enjoy this dialogue, this is exactly why I DON'T bring Javik with me on Thessia.
If you do, it takes away from all that Shepard's gone through-the whole idea of "You have the cipher from Feros, and the beacon thinks you're Prothean!" goes out the window when Javik is right there, and vouches for you instead. Makes Shepard seem less important.
You're shepherd literally came back from the dead by This point. Why is it so hard to concede that you aren't the most important entity in this particular moment?
6:20 So this is what Javik's smile looks like
It’s too bad the ending soured me on replaying the Mass Effect games. I would have liked to look forward to the new sequel that is in the works.
My question is, why didn't you get an Inusannon squadmate in this game?
It would have been cool to at least get cutscenes or DLCs of the previous cycles. How different things were and all the previously forgotten species.
@@1597B Yeah, it would have been. But it was only ME3 when we saw a female krogan for the first time, and a DLC for a female turian. I'm not sure how much time and energy they would have been willing to design a totally new alien species at that point, which is a shame.
@@antiochus87 according to the Lore the Inusannon would look like the Statues on Ilos
Bald Shepard again. So Cerberus could resurrect him but growing back his hair is way too impossible of a task?
Can't believe I did everything right the first time, got the right characters to be in the right place. It was all a whim, based on seemingly simple logic like "Reaper invades world, Liara should be here, and Javik too, he needs to see this more than anyone."
This scene kinda disproves the indoctrination theory, the protean VI is capable of recognizing an indoctrinated presence, which doesn't recognize when it sees Shepard
Cuz in the finale game he wasn’t indoctrinated. They cut that idea before the game was released. There’s still plenty of hints with star child, but officially he wasn’t indoctrinated.
Everything about this game except the pacing of the dialog is flawless
And the explanation of why the reapers wipe out life.
What is the armor shepard is wearing first time I see this one..... Mod ?
What kind of armor is that?! Is it a DLC
2:40 oh no, not the actual prothean, no. Must be the human, uh huh.
What armour is he using?
One of the VERY few slip-ups is that leviathan story was never properly incorporated into the rest of the game.
Well they didn't want to be found and didn't want to be part of the war
Taking javik to this mission is the most logical way and the best choice
Asari so desperate to believe their god is Prothean, She forget Javik there and think the artifact react to Shepard lol
It's the dialogue from main game. Javik is not obligatory squadmate and you can do this mission without him.
Javik,was that a smile?
Was... that a smile.... Javik?! 4:10
Liara as a SB didn't find that secret
Liara was a pretty pathetic SB tbh. She could find your romances in ME2 but she couldnt find something like this.
The way Shepard just starts tuning out Liara.
Asari helped the Reapers in a war more tha geth did
Thanks for the help. And where do you get that armor?