Red Sox Runner Celebrates Home Run Prematurely and Loses Game
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The worst part about it is that if he thought it was a homerun, there's no need to sprint around the bases. Just stay there until the ball's out and then jog home.
To me the worst part was the pose/strut the batter did, I think he's the reason the guy on 2nd assumed it was a HR.
@@lowfuel6089nah. 2nd through his hand up on contact. He knew it was gone! Oooops!
You don't get a Pass as a runner because the batter is acting like it's a HR.@@lowfuel6089
Yeah, I love the way he put it “base runner thought it was a home run…decided to try and score”
Those two things just don’t jive lol
Yeah, but that wouldn't look as cool.
I retired in 2019 as a MLB scout of 37 years, mostly with the Minnesota Twins. I noticed a distinct decline in several aspects of the game in the final few years i worked. And baserunning was front and center of the skills that went out the window. Some of the baserunning decisions I saw during my minor league coverages was jaw dropping. I had to check my game card to make sure I didn't stop by a high school JV game. This video shows just terrible baserunning, but not surprising anymore.
Sabermetrics insists some long-held traditional competencies can just get kicked to the curb. Can't (and shouldn't) be wasting time with things that management doesn't track and value. And as a result, this is what it happens.
And in football, a ball carrier losing a touchdown because he dropped the ball too early.
Fundamentals in general are in decline across many professional sports.
Coaching is the problem. From when these players are young, coaches everywhere aren't teaching the importance of it anymore.
The dumbing down of America is even affecting sports.
no@@davidknight6805
Jays fan here. It went from screaming at Swanson to not blow the save, to despair that the Sox were going to at least tie it, to relief that it was caught, and finally bewildered amusement as Espinal caught the throw at 2B and looking at a dejected McGuire.
Not quite as good as the 2022 Tapia inside the park homer, but it came close.
How is Swanson working out for the jays? M’s fan here…really missing his 123 pitch inning.
@golfmaniac007 he has been very good the first half but our skipper has abused him with too many innings and it is catching up to him. He probably has had more high leverage innings than our closer. If there was a fire to put out, he got the call thanks to being the only guy with decent swing and miss out of the pen. He is huge for us and the trade worked out well.
Our GM got some arms at the deadline and they are trying to protect him more. But the Boston outing has been typical of his performance of late. I don't blame him though. The workload has been too high.
@@michaelchung1526 thanks for the reply. sure miss him!
@@michaelchung1526 Zero reason to think the workload is too high. Yes he's among the league leaders in games and relief innings, but MANY relievers are in the same range. Reliever stats are heavily influenced by having bad games, since they pitch so little compared to starters. Swanson had one really bad outing not long ago which rocketed his ERA up. But in the 5 games since then, he's still pitched at the same rate, and has been very good.
You can claim that one game was because he was overworked, but you have nothing other than speculation to support it.
@@puckerings If you look at his appearances, he's pitched a lot "3 games in 4 nights" and his innings now already near totals from last year. He has looked more shaky at times lately, and you can argue whether or not it's due to fatigue. Also, I find Schneider warms up pitchers a lot and then that guy ends up not come into the game which may factor too. However, he has been our go-to high leverage guy the whole year. Having Hicks will help a lot. (Let's not talk about the offense.)
It's shocking that a major leaguer would make this kind of mistake. Usually you see this in little league, not beyond.
Simply put, and correct. Fine the guy 1 year's salary and send him to 'stupid' prison.
in high school if i ram the bases like that … lol i’d get yelled at
Javier Baez of the Tigers did the same thing in a game earlier this season. It was early in the game though and afterwards,Mgr AJ Hinch pulled him from the game and sat him.
Usually it's the Jays making base running mistakes. They are bad on the pads.
To be honest with you ThunderPants, i never even seen little leaguers make mistakes like that....Little Leaguers are well disciplined kids that knows the game well...the only mistakes i mostly see little leaguers make is getting caught between bases when a line drive is hit
It's hard to tell because you never let the lower angles play at normal speed, but here's what I think happened: the runner sees the batter's reaction to the hit and thinks it's a home run, so he starts jogging. Then he sees the 3rd base coach waving him to third so he speeds up. I think the 3rd base coach thinks the ball is going to be off the wall so he's signaling to both runners to move up, which is why is signal looks weird. Then he realizes the ball is going to be caught, which is why he tries to disappear into a hole once the lead runner is past 3rd.
None of that matters. If he thought it was a home run he can stand where he was and do his victory lap at his leisure
The 3rd base coach isn't even looking at the runner on 2nd. He's got his eyes on the runner on 1st and he's signaling to him to round 2nd so he can get to 3rd or score. He's in the runner on 2nd's way as he's rounding 3rd.
I think he was watching an reacting to the batter do his "homerun" follow through. The batter takes his sweet time admiring it.
Just the most basic fundamentals ignored
Right like Giancarlo Stanton running slower than my grandmother 🤦♂️
Matt what was the dumbest thing you experienced during your time in the MLB?
It looks to me like the third base coach is pointing towards second base. I think he was telling the runner to get back
Yeah he was a little late though and obviously didn't do enough to get the runners attention lol
But he still should up.put two hands first, IMO.
Close. He's signaling for the runner on 1st to round 2nd so he can get to 3rd or score. He doesn't even look at the runner on 2nd. He's actually in his way as he's rounding 3rd. The runner on 2nd has to cut inward after he rounds 3rd.
As a baserunner you NEVER assume a ball in the air is going to drop for a hit no matter how good it looks coming off the bat. Baserunning errors are embarrassing and are god awful when they are the reason your team loses a game.
True, but game sense produces runs too... so is a gamble, what happened here was stupid though.
Why Cora needs to go
You NEVER?? So station to station then?
Definitely with less than two outs!
In fairness, it was only the reason the game ended at that point. Giving up 5 runs was the reason they lost…
As a Blue Jays fan, this was amazing!
Toronto is still seeing dividends from trading Reese Mcguire!
Ah, the gift that keeps on giving
LMAO I was taught that when I was 10 years old.
Huge Blue Jays fan here who saw it live and couldn't believe my eyes. The runner was drafted by the Jays and played on the MLB roster before being traded to Milwaukee, so maybe that's why I feel bad for the guy. I don't know. But keep in mind that he was just traded to the Red Sox and is unfamiliar with the stadium. He's all amped because he's about to bite the ass of the team that traded him. I place the blame on the 3rd base coach. He should have known better.
I kind of agree with the third base coach comment. The whole point of having a third base coach is to provide signals to the runners. If the signals aren’t clear or are just the wrong call you aren’t doing your job. That said, when you raise your hand in celebration and start jogging you aren’t really doing your job as a base runner either. Bush league all around.
I'm a Jays fan and was watching the game. In the top half of the inning, Toronto' ran themselves out of a potential big 9th on a double play which I characterized as "baserunning for dummies', but they were rescued by this little league-level lack of situational awareness. No wonder Boston was shell-shocked in the series finale, not also helped by using the bullpen for the entire game.
Love your insights Matt. My favourite baseball channel by far. Thanks for all you do.
I was shocked when Kiermeier reeled it in so easily with Mcguire still celebrating the "home run" - perhaps he's still on the Jays payroll?🤔😁
I agree with everything here, BUT even if he isn't DOUBLED up doesn't mean they would win the game, next guy could easily pop up, or ground out. Just sayin!
I don't follow baseball, but this popped up in my suggested views. I watched it. I found your description of the play, along with what you did with the video fascinating. Very nicely done-you do an awesome job with your narrative.
Except...for the comment he made about "he grew up" a red sox fan. If he grew up a red sox fan, then he knows about the green monster, yet...he says there's such a short wall at left field? Nah...
@@Ciscoman4444Yeah, that baffled me too, that wall is 37 feet high!😂
@@Ciscoman4444 He meant the distance from home to the wall is short. In most stadiums if you hit the ball off the left field wall you will get a double AND someone on second will be able to score pretty easily. Plenty of times in Boston players hit the ball off the green monster and it's just a long single and also lots of times a runner on second can only make it to third and won't be able to score on the base hit. That's what he was talking about when he said "short". Not the height of the wall but the distance of the wall from home plate.
Short as in distance not height
I was at that game but our seats were awful and we didn’t know what was going on, thanks for the explanation.
The runner didnt think it was a HR, but definitely thought it would be off the wall.
He bet the game.he knows how to run bases.
I can't even imagine doing all that training to be the best at your sport and make it into a league where you are 1 of 750 people in the world playing only to have a goofup like this during a losing season.
Mistakes happen whenever you let your emotions control your thought process. 🤣
@@heystarfish100 Yep, I agree. But still, it's so amazing because it's such a "little league" mistake and these guys have played a lot of baseball! Mental mistakes in the "heat of the moment" pale to these crazy glitches haha.
Exactly when you're a pro player it's unforgiveable to make this mistake.@@BeckVMH
Yeah, it's a stupid play, but think of it this way... you are regular player- not a pitcher or backup- and that means you are going to be out on the field as close to 162 games a year as your body will let you. There are at least 27 outs your side is going to make on defense... figure the pitcher strikes out 9 batters, that means that there are going to be at least 18 fielding plays per game (if the other team can hit .250 there will be at least 27 fielding plays, and probably an average of 2 fielders are involved in every play- some plays will have more, some less, but let's ballpark it there.) You'll come up to bat 3-4 times a game minimum, face several pitches, reach base on average one of those times, which means you'll spend some time as runner...
Start multiplying all of those things together in your head... now multiply it by the number of years the player is in the league. You may be elite enough to get to the big leagues, but given enough chances, everyone will mess up. The worst, of course, are the ones at the end of the game that clearly lost your team the game, followed by ones like this that may or may not have cost your team the game but certainly ended your team's chance to win the game, and mental errors are the worst kind, but everyone is going to cost their team a game at some point if they get enough chances. You hope nobody notices. If you do, you figure out how you screwed up and work to make sure it doesn't happen again... but it happens.
@@nacoran You sound like a guy who loves making excuses while other guys are making things happen. 🤣
This was Saturday's game. I was at the lake and listening to it on the radio (Jays fan). My mind went all over the place while this play was happening listening to the announcer. First, well, the Jays lose another in heartbreak fashion. Then, "he caught it??". OK, good, two outs, still need one more with a runner at second, maybe third as I think the announcer said he tagged up. But no, he tagged and not paying attention to the outfielder nor his third base coach.
I think the coach is telling him to go back (he's pointing to second) to tag up but the runner thinks, like me, the ball is over the wall, or at very least, hit the Monster and he just needs to score the winning run. This is excellent example of watching the play and not assuming as well as knowing the situation (he may have thought the runner ahead of him was the winning run) and to pay attention to your coach.
It's funny how the Red Sox don't play well at home against the Blue Jays. Remember the big 28-run blowout last year where the outfielder lost the ball and it fell behind him and he didn't run after it? To make matters worse, for the Red Sox that is, the Jays swept them at home, the Sunday game was 13-1. You may want to comment on last night's game in Cleveland that ended on an unassisted double-play by the second baseman. Don't recall ever seeing a play like that before.
Anyone interested in this should watch the post game interviews. The frustration from some of the guys is palpable.
Do you have a link for that? Thanks.
It's more important to look cool than play smart.
The runner on 2nd (Reese McGuire) was a Blue Jay from 2016-21. 😮
And apparently still plays for them in 2023. 😁
He needs to go.He sucks.
My guess is that he was expecting the ball to bounce off the wall instead of being caught but it got caught
@@blue387 Not according to his reaction.Or 3rd base coach.
He was barely running.Acting like it was a home run.THEN running like it got away from the center fielder.THEN.Looking stOOOOOOpid! 🤭
HAHAHA Your commentary is perfection.
Am I missing something? How could the baserunner on 2nd think that ball was gone? It has to go over a 37' wall. That's like 40'-50' short of a homer, right?
At that location I think there is a shorter wall in front. It's been years since I went to Fenway but the infamous "Green Monster" doesn't wrap the whole outfield, it's a tall wall behind a shorter wall just in left field.
A high fly ball hit like that is an automatic out in most other ballparks. In Fenway if a high fly ball is coming almost straight down the difference of a few feet closer to or farther away from home plate will make a big difference. If that ball was hit just a few feet deeper then it goes into the seats up on top of the wall for a home run. But a little shallower and it's off the wall and a lot shallower it comes down the face of the wall and gets caught. The runner didn't have enough depth perception to determine if it was home run or if the ball was still in play, so he got fooled and ran when he should have tagged up.
@@kendallevans4079 There is only one 37 foot wall in left field at Fenway. Read my other reply to this post.
@@kendallevans4079The wall (the Monster) is at its shortest at the left field line itself- only 300’-, and also the prevailing wind is also usually from the west here which will carry balls out toward center slightly more. The more a ball is hit down the left field line the more it becomes effected by a crosswind than a tailwind, while the more it is to center and the bullpen then it’s more of a tailwind carrying it. But that’s only with a westerly wind, which is most of the time but not always. The home run that is hit down the left field line with a southwest wind is the one requiring the least effort by the batter…at Fenway…
@@joevignolor4u949Sorry, but that's a load of nonsense. "If that ball was hit just a few feet deeper then it goes into the seats"? No, it doesn't. That's just a ridiculous statement.
Couldn't have happened to a more deserving team!!
Show me on the doll where the bad red sox touched you.
I enjoy your posts. You played in Lake Elsinore with my son, Richie Daigle.
You grew up as a Red Sox fan but stopped? Is that allowed? Is that possible? Who do you root for now?
2:58 I thought he was pointing to 2B as in 'go back'
I was at a game in September 2010 between the Pirates and Mets at Citi Field. A Pirates hitter hit a fly ball to deep right center field (back before they moved in the fences) but then Angel Pagan caught it and threw it to second and then to first to double off Pedro Alvarez.
You can't help but that's why baseball is America's game.
McGuire s best play for the blue jays ever. As an ex-Jay.
WISH there was footage of the runner AFTER it was officially a double play as he goes to his dugout knowing AND feeling those Heat Seeking Lasers coming from his teammates and the manager...That would have been awesome to view! LOLOLOL
So much boneheaded base running and fielding by the Red Sox this season. It is almost like the roster was constructed using an algorithm.
Watched this live and was flabbergasted. Coach must have really given it to him after that one!
He better have been chewing out the third-base coach at the same time
Nah. The next coach who said anything to him was in Portland. Forget about Worcester.
The Fenway wall is shockingly shallow especially the more it is to left. Almost makes it a Little League park. This is why there was talk of creating another ballpark 20-30 years ago but of course now it is a National Landmark.
I think the 3rd base coach was telling them (in the worst way) to turn around lol must have been a brain freeze not to throw up the stop sign
Stupid baserunning but 3B coach needs to be more clear and tell him to go back sooner.
What a simplistic play completely blown.....
Saw another analysis - they think the third base coach is yelling at the trail runner to get further off, to at least make third if it comes off the wall. that's why he is not windmilling at the runner on second
If you notice the 3rd base coach isn't even paying attention to the runner on 2nd, he's signaling to the runner on 1st to round 2nd base so he can get to 3rd or score after it caroms off the wall, or so he thought it was going to do.
I do think he often can't score from halfway between 2nd and 3rd there. It depends on his speed and the arm on the fielders, so I assumed he thought there was a chance it goes off the wall, and the motion from the 3rd base coach supports that, because he's encouraging him to keep coming (to me it looked like beckoning, come on come on). Given the situation, down 1 with 1 out, this runner representing the tying run, it makes some sense to try to hurry.
There's even an argument to be made that they played this right. If there's a 60% chance it goes off the wall, and an 80% chance he couldn't score if he waited to see, he probably SHOULD run, because with 2 outs and men on 1st and 2nd, there's a really low chance of another hit, and he certainly can't tag and get to 3rd on this... But yeah, at least it's better than the inside the park grand slam from last year.
The first priority is to not get doubled off, scoring is secondary. The runner has to give himself the best chance to score at the same time with basically no chance of getting doubled off. Even if you are going to make the case that the runner needs to increase his odds of scoring by also increasing his odds of getting doubled off, there is no reason for the runner to pass third base. He doesn't need to go that far and give up any chance of getting back.
, Yes, if you have someone play the ball really well off the wall (Yaz, Rice) catching it off the wall in the air or barehanding on one bounce.. a lot of guys have to stop at third, but you can't round third until you see it hit the wall. Is it possible the runner lost the ball off the bat and is playing by the hitter and third base coach reactions?
"...I would have pulled my own hair out then I would have pulled the hair out of the baserunner at second base." 😂
Base running skills that are similar to what happened in the Braves rare triple play.
Real bonehead play on the part of the runner and the third base coach. That center fielder sure covered a lot of ground in a hurry.
If you look closer at the 3rd base coach, his hands and arms are pointing back at 2nd base, He's telling the runner to go back.
@@randallmarsh1187 Also, the left fielder was standing there the whole time.
When i was young in little league, I was taught to not watch the ball, but move about 1/3 the way, and hold for the 3rd base coach to direct on a play like that.
That’s what we were all taught. I’m 60 and still remember what to do to avoid being thrown out. Embarrassing for a MLB player to brain fart on basic running strategy
I did that in a high school game. My brother hit one and I scored on the homerun. Only it wasn’t a home run. It was an F7 and I was doubled off first.
In high school that's a lesson learned. In the big league that's a "You're benched the next game."
Plus this is a Red Sox player who should know his own field, and the look of a fly ball that's still in the park.
You nailed it always do man you make baseball fun.
Idk what broke my heart more, the "it's not a home run, dumba**," or the "I'm not a Red Sox fan anymore"
When a man on 3d did not stay on the base on a long fly, Billy Martin said, "I tagged up on Mantle's 500 foot homer."
The third base coach is pushing him back to 2nd. He did the correct thing.
He doesn't even try to hustle back to second but moseys on back to third base like he's going to get a soft drink at a beach resort.
Whom is a 1st round draft pick?
That's part of the game. Always a chance to be part of the highlight reel ...for the wrong reason.
Looks like the coach was trying to warn the player that the ball might still be in play, but wasn't obvious or clear enough with his communication with the runner. It was a strange gesture for sure. Whatever happened to 🙌 🛑?
Can I get more likes on my comment?
I agree.
You said Fenway Park has "such" a short wall on left field? I think you got confused, that left field wall is called the "green monster" for a reason...no?
No you don't go half way between 2nd & 3rd with 1 out! You stay closer to 2nd to tag up to go to 3rd if the ball is caught!
Jeepers - - all they needed was a single to score from 2nd. He should have kept his eye on the fielders about halfway between 2nd & 3rd until he knows how the ball was fielded.
Nothing I love better than seeing the Jays beat the Soxs and on a Boston error to end the game that is like icing on the cupcake.
Let's talk about the hitter as well in this...premature and overconfident stride out of the box with an extended bat pointing like he was positive it was going to the moon. What happened to hitting the ball and taking off for first then celebrating after the ball has cleared the fence? Professional sports have rapidly become the likeness of Professional wrestling. Smh
Did he think it was a home run, or merely a hit off the wall. His running would then have made sense.
Short wall in left? Have you ever been to a Boston home game?
Redsox went from walk off to wtf.
walk off to get the f#%$ off! 😂
Baseball Gods strike again
Reese "play with myself in my pickup truck on the blue jays spring training parking lot" McGuire.
Baseball 101 says you are on the bag to tag with one out
It kinda symbolizes the whole season for Boston Red Sox season.
I can't believe what I just saw!!!!
Good third base coach also
That's baseball!
The 3rd base coach is telling him to hurry up because they think it's going off the wall.
From what I've heard, he was probably telling the runner on 1st to get further off the base
correct, he thinks the ball is at least off the wall and is instructing the 1st base runner to keep running and round second
that's horrible 3rd base coaching too if what you say is true.
True
Let us not forget the batter who went out of his way to admire a flyball like an idiot lol
"Oh no!" Commentary says it all.
The way the batter swung and posed made it look like it was long gone. Not to absolve the runner. He's got to check where the ball is, but if he's influenced by the batter's reaction, then he's going to start running. He's got to believe that it's at least off the wall if not over.
Runners responding to the BATTER’S reaction??? Please don’t
@@drdrew3 Explain the runner's reaction otherwise.
The problem with a high fly ball hit like that in Fenway is the runner's depth perception. If the ball is hit a little deeper it's a home run, a little shallower it's off the wall and a little more shallow it's caught. For a runner it can be really difficult to tell what happened. Did it go into the seats, did it bounce off the wall or did the fielder catch it? In left field at Fenway it can be difficult to tell. From second base that ball might have looked like a home run, except it wasn't.
I did the EXACT same thing in t-ball.
If I was a Sox player I'd be so pissed, says the guy (my senior year) who got picked off at first for staring at the opposing teams ball girl as she was picking up a ball near first.
It looks to me that both the guy on second and the coach were looking at the wrong outfielder. The other fielder in the area of the catch is clearly looking like he’s thinking “I can’t catch that.” If you are looking at him you’d assume it was a wall hitter or HR because his body language was saying it was.
I'd guess that the runner figured he couldn't get far enough from second to score, if he played it safe, and the ball hit the wall.
As such, he took a calculated risk that even the third base coach seemed to agree with, and figured that if the ball hit the wall, he'd definitely score.
Maybe he could have taken a short lead off second and still scored on a ball hit off the wall, but I think that would come down to how the ball bounces. If it bounced off the wall and into the fielder's glove, I think he'd be thrown out at the plate. If it went off the wall and bounced off the ground, he'd probably be safe.
enjoy the bench, bud!
The third base coach was signalling to the runner on first to move up more, anticipating it would be off the wall ans he'd have a better chance to score. None of that initial arm pointing and waving was directed at the runner on second. He was basically ignoring him and rightly so because it ought to have been obvious to the runner what he ought to do.
But the third base coach is supposed to be directing the runner. It’s his only job. And this was the most important time to do that. Granted, the base running was pitiful but made worse by poor base coaching.
You're the only one that I've seen so far that got it right. The 3rd base coach is actually in the runner on 2nd's way as he's rounding 3rd. He never looks at the runner on 2nd. He was signaling to the runner on 1st to round 2nd so he can get to 3rd or score on the play.
McQuire needed to watch the fielder as the fielder was watching the ball; a sign the the ball was catchable.
As a 3B coach you really just have one job and this guy completely failed...
Not being a BoSox fan, I had a lot of fun laughing at this.
Reese McGuire finally went blind for continually doing what he got caught doing in a parking lot a couple of years ago.
It's the Red Sox so I am happy
The runner on second clearly thought Video Game Matt was at the dish...
3rd Base coach is waving him back to 2nd
I think the 2nd base runner knew his team was going to lose anyway so he just decided to end this right here right now. 😁😂🤣
What was the 3rd base coach doing this whole time?
I was there. Would have been way better to see on TV. I was on the 3rd baseline, so watched the catch. When I turned around I was dumbfounded. I couldn’t understand what was going on. Needed to watch the highlights to get the story.
Ooopsy Daisy, this really embarrassing, me make a big mistake. Me think about this for long, long time, even when me not awake.
With one out, if the ball was caught, why was the lead baserunner not back at 2nd base tagging up?
@@kevinl3875 Fair enough, but on a pop-fly the runner still has to tag up on his base and not run until the ball is caught, right?
Those things happen.
It ain't over till it's over
What are the rules for actually “getting back to second base?” (even though any runner most likely won’t make it.) If you’ve already rounded third, do you have to step back on 3rd base going back to 2nd? Or could you even just make a beeline across the grass to get back?
Of course you have to touch 3rd again on your way back.
I wouldn’t say of course, a lot of people don’t know for sure
duh
I think the third base coach was waving for him to get back not hurry up to round third