Catcher Throws To Second With No One Stealing...Why?
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He pressed triangle instead of pressing circle. Happens time to time
Happens all the time for me 😂
I legit thought this was an MLB The Show video from the title and the thumbnail. MLB The Show graphics have gotten good enough that it can be tough to tell the difference between it and real life at quick glance sometimes.
the catcher tried to throw from the ground like his arm was that good lol
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Epic 😂
I like these little breakdowns on unusual plays and even just basic fundamentals. 👍
Thanks Rich!
@@AntonelliBaseball and I really enjoyed your story about your time in the MLB and MilB, its not easy even if you are very good. Thank you
One of the things I miss most from playing baseball was all the little mind games like this between the teams, made the game so much more fun and dynamic. This was a really cool breakdown, Matt thanks.
Couldn't agree more! Thanks!
It's a physical form of chess. Gotta love it!
Yes, that was fun. I had a bit of a semi-hidden advantage that I tormented pitchers with: my wingspan is four inches wider than my height (normally they're equal), so I'd lead off "too far" and taunt.
Spot on! You nailed every point. Not that I'm surprised, but it's just so satisfying when someone gets 100%.
Thanks!!
These breakdowns are absolutely wonderful! I really appreciate the fact that as a former MLB player, your knowledge of what’s going on is greater than the average person and the fact that you’re willing to share that knowledge with us is a testament to you!
It's a real privilege having these on youtube. thanks Mr. Baseball! xD
Thanks you and glad you liked it!
Matt, great breakdown. This is an example of why baseball is so interesting. There is so much strategy involved and you have to understand the game at so many levels. The people who say baseball is boring just don't know.
Great small ball tool (just don’t get picked off 😂). It certainly makes a world of difference with a lefty batting. I hope to see more of this with the pitch clock adding an extra element of pressure.
Good breakdown. I had a high school baseball coach that would periodically go over different types of steals and plays for base running. We always competed for titles and he instilled in me a love for the game and understanding the rules and how to use them.
Matt, fantastic videos of late with the breakdowns, lookd forward every day to these teaching points to use with my team, very impactful, please keep it up. Big time thanks
Just be mindful of a snap throw to first. I can think of a long line of catchers- Yadier Molina, Sandy Alomar Jr., Benito Santiago, Pudge... who could seriously put the hurt on you if you don't get back to first, and if the ball doesn't get out of the infield on contact taking a second to stop your run can make you slower to second than if you'd gone on contact.
It's all about doing it just enough to keep them honest.
Exactly. with the runner focused on getting back to first, he also probably loses the ability to stretch a base hit, should it happen. At the major league level, this play probably has more drawbacks then benefits, which is why you rarely see it.
Back in the 60’s Earl Battey of the Twins had a strong throwing arm and a lightning fast release from the crouch. He loved to fire the ball to first to keep the runner from getting too bold. Even to third if there was a runner there. More than a few runners took the walk of shame back to the dugout, victimized by Battey’s arm.
"Why would you run this?" As the ball is sailing in to center field and the runner is coasting in to second. Does it really need to be asked? 😆 Jokes aside, anything to get the ball in play or extra throws often pays off. Great break down. Tjanks for the content.
Yep, extra throws do sometimes pay off and there is no risk to the offense.
Thanks!
Matt I appreciate the video! Definitely not a typical play! Keep the breakdowns coming please
You got it!
Thanks Coach Matt! I've got coaching for my 8 year old's team starting up in a month and I'll definitely be using this type of action to create chaos on the youth field :)
Really nice breakdown - Thank you
Excellent video!
Your “inside baseball” talk is fascinating.
Hey Antonella love your mlbtheshow23 content! What a weird play.
Thanks!
Great explanation
So here's a question. With the new rules (re: the pitch clock) is there anything saying the catcher has to throw it back to the pitcher. Could the catcher throw it around the horn or something to buy the pitcher another few seconds to regain his composure? A lot of our (Phillies) pitchers seem to be unraveling when they give up a couple hits and can't do the usual walk around the mound, take a few deep breath thing they used to be able to do.
So cool!
Baseball strategy is great!
I agree!
Fabulous example of small ball. This was an excellent video.
wow that was a great explanation
When I was pitching in travel baseball our coaches would drill us with plays like this and that's why as a pitcher it's important to pay attention to the runners on base paths. Because your actually taught as a pitcher to lull the base runners and get them thinking that the pitcher forgot about them. But also before this play ever begins the pitcher,catcher and the middle infield gets together to know whose covering second base in which in this case shortstop is covering. But that's why the entire infield has to be yelling He's Going or Runner in case that the runner is going
Dave McKay may be the best 1st base coach around today. He's got the Diamondbacks really clicking regarding base running and stealing, and the speed on this years team lends itself to his game plan.
Baseball: a mental game.
Great explanation! Subscribing.
Ty
Matt the baseball professor
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My high school coach used to run this routinely, and also the fake bunt with runner on 2nd. 3rd basemen would charge everytime, no one cover 3rd base-easy stolen base for guy on 2nd.
I like that too! Almost ran it today
Bad players/bad coaching. Any SS knows to cover in that situation.
I don’t watch baseball. But interesting stuff does happen. This was one of those cases. And your explanation was extremely interesting. Actually done.
Also good way to test the catcher’s arm especially early in the game
@@strange-universe Only outside the MLB.
Baseball is the only sport I watch, well almost. I consider this the most complicated game out there, so many wild and wacky things can happen. Thank you for explaining this and I look forward for more of the same.
Baseball is one of the most simple team sports. Basketball and its continuous play is far more complicated...and football is too.
I used to play first base and my team had a catcher that would always gun the ball to first with a runner on, not to get the runner, but just because he thought I wasn't paying attention and he was trying to get me to miss the ball.
You played on a team that was not well-coached.
It would be nice if San Diego Studio recruited Matt to teach them how they can make MLB The Show not only look but play as real as possible.
I agree!
I was watching this...gave me a good chuckle. lol
This is one of those plays that gets less and less effective the higher up in baseball quality you get. Like a lot of plays. It’s like I’m Little League we worked on first and and third plays every week. By high school maybe we had a first and third play or two that we practiced once or twice. By the MLB it’s pretty much non existent.
smart play
Great breakdown, used to do this in highschool and travel ball as well, but we only did it against teams with weak catchers. Let's remember that Contreras is not the best defensive catcher. I wonder if that had to do with why Arizona did this.
I loved messing with pitchers. They knew I had enough speed to steal the base if I wanted to, so I would mess with them when they were looking at me. I like to believe that it affected their delivery home, which could help the hitter. If nothing else, I had fun doing it.
But the short stop did cover the bag. The throw was way three feet off line. He would have had to dive even if he was closer to the bag.
One of those plays that is rarely seen today. I remember when the runner on 1st bluffing was commonplace.
I was born in 94 and had never seen this before. I only played in somewhat competitive (but still low quality) little league. I've never seen it in a pro game watching the Twins growing up (granted maybe watched 20 games a season).
Is your memory going before 1994 when bluffing stealing second was commonplace?
As a center fielder, I kept my head in the game by anticipating the angle from which the ball might be thrown from and started moving to back up 2nd base. Of course, the thrower was more often the catcher. I never saw this play, but I did throw out a runner that stole 2nd and headed for 3rd because the ball went past the infielders. I was throwing by the time he was just over 1/2 way to 3rd. He was tagged while still running. I developed the strategy because I didn't get a lot of practice (summer job), and I was nervous about errors. I'm trying to forget those. 🤨So, moving around kept me calmer. At the same time, it could be boring and too quiet way out there. 😴
I wonder if this particular play is used rarely, does the runner get the call from the 3rd base coach or from the 1st base coach. How about the batter, how does he get informed?
Usually a sign from 3B coach
I love the gamesmanship being played in baseball and why it is more like a game of chess with all the moves, countermoves, and all out fakery.
When my dude says, "... bobble the ball and the ball falls" at 4:02, he sounds suddenly like a really cool auctioneer.
Literally me on MLB the show all the time
Me too! 😂
What if the catcher anticipates the fake steal and throws behind the runner to first base? Does the left-handed batter get called for interference if he's in that throwing lane?
Not if he is in the box, I think
He heard some scouts were there and he wanted to show the cannon.
Could be 😂
You can break this down by reviewing post video but a whole lot of things have to go right to pull this off and coaching youth on what to do is going to be tough. It would be valuable to see how to prepare the players.
Fake is also great for setting up the delay. As you pointed they get tired of yelling runner.
Other benefits pointed out creating holes for hitters, and stealing strikes from antsy catchers who pop up early.
TIL at baseball games I need to periodically yell "RUNNER!" very loud during a pitch. 😁😁😁
I agree with some good interpretation to why this happened, however what was left out of the equation is the catcher did make his throw to far to his right, most throws are usually targeted over 2nd base, 6 inches to his right is even a good throw, but to throw the ball almost 18" inches off to the right of 2nd base is and should be charged to the catcher as an error. I've zoomed into 2nd base and froze it 1 frame at a time, from what I see: it's a error because the throw was not close enough for the shortstop or 2nd baseman to cover the throw?
This is the type of play that defines baseball as an intellectual sport.
The wording with why legit had me thinking is there a senerio where we want the ball in center field alone then laughed at myself
If the throw was closer to second base, then the shortstop might have been able to get it.
Wild Will, did you come to the park with your pants on your head?😂
Hey Matt, Did you ever play in the Cape Cod League? If so; Did you ever meet Stan Meek?
Ivan Rodriguez used to punish teams who tried this sort of shit on him by rifling the ball to first base immediately… And punished shifty screw with your mind type base runners in general.
That guy just had a amazing catcher instincts.
Which is probably one reason you do not see this at the major league level. It can create more problems than it solves.
While listening I kept thinking you were talking about the catcher and the defensive team "running the play".
That's amazing! Too bad I can't do this in my softball games as stealing isn't allowed...
Stealing isn't allowed??? Mindless slow-pitch???
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That was a strong throw from the catch on his knees... wow
All MLB catchers can do this.
Don't try that stuff on Yaddy, he'd zip that down the line before you know what hit you.
alexander used the same tactic at the hybapsis river in india.
Really cool beautiful for my snakes stealing a stolen base 👍
I love how the runner just trotted on over like "OK, if you insist"!
Yadier Molina would have thrown to first and caught the runner in a rundown for playing games 😅
Pitcher was caught by surprise and about took a ball to the noggin. 😂
It was close!
200 IQ love it
What would the disadvantage be if you did this every play? Even if you have a righty up so the catcher can see the runner stop running you’d still get the ss out of position
Gonna get picked off at first
The key is that the catcher’s view of the runner is obscured by the lefty batter. With a left handed batter, the shortstop will cover. With a right handed batter, the second baseman will cover and the catcher’s view won’t be obscured. Running this with a righty batter might not be as effective.
@@rumblehat4357 The catcher will never throw through with a RH batter.
A complete analysis would have pointed out the shortstop's mistake. Under the circunstances set out in the video, the shortstop should always follow through with running to cover the bag because of the chance that the catcher may throw through.
No.
given the shortstop would have covered an accurate throw I don't see how he's at fault here.
I think we'll see this more with the pitch clock. Less time to make decisions means more chances for mistakes. The worst thing that could happen for the offense doing this is getting a strike.
As a catcher, I could see everything. Nobody needed to tell me the runner was going.
Who gets the error, the throw or the failed fielding?
100% the throw.
as an umpire, I will confirm that the borderline pitch being caught with a runner going is indeed less likely to be called a strike. yes, I track it all the way same as any other pitch, but if the catcher is catching it on the move with an immediate transfer and throw, I'm just not going to get as good a look.
I ACTUALLY thought this was The Show on PS5 off the thumbnail😂
It's a science...
More evidence that Baseball is a thinking man's game. It is so much more than trying to hit a ball.
Me predicting a steal on mlb the show
If the catcher had made a better throw, the ball wouldn't have gone to center field.
Yes, terrible throw, especially with a lefty batter up. Might not have been that bad had second base covered with a righty batter.
can we just appreciate how fast that catcher throw was? he threw that ball while sitting down 🥴
Be like Johnny bench and throw from the seat of his pant to second base to throw out runner.
What if the batter or a fan yells Runner
You run the risk of the catcher noticing it's fake and throwing him out at first
That’s why you shorten lead
If you use it multiple times the catcher could get wise and just fire straight to first
Doesn't work at lower levels where leading isn't allowed. Doesn't generally work at higher levels where everyone should be ready for it. This is a great trick play for middle-level baseball to keep the defense honest and to keep them looking and thinking.
Used in top leagues to see how on point the fielders/catcher is. 99% of the time they are on it. This time the catcher was sharp the the fielders werent
@@Chyeahokay The error here was 100% on the catcher.
Baseball is so much better than the modern "three true outcome" boring nonsense.
All runners should be putting pressure on the defense all the time.
Not seen as much at the pro levels because the pro defense tends to be able to still make the plays>
I think its just laziness on the part of the runners not to be threatening to go on every pitch.
To be fair, had the throw been on target, this would be a non-video
Maybe. You could keep the same title. And his question of "why run this play?" would have been more intriguing because there wasn't an obvious reason that had just happened.
Do you fake steal other bases or just second? If so why? I could see of benefits you laid out for the fake steal of second not being there for third.
Even if the runner was going it was a bad throw , 2 feet off of the base . The throw should have been right on the corner of the bag , and the Shortstop should have been watching the catcher too .. Too bad you can't charge them both with an error. Thanks for the on point explanation .
The throw was awful. Shortstop watched the catcher and made an initial effort, but realized the throw was impossibly off target. This was all Contreras.
Could be an easy pickoff if the catcher has a clear path to first.
Because it’s the Brewers?
My thought is that if the throw was on the bag, there's no conversation.
Lol. A fake steal that resulted in stealing second.
he was just early
Two things. 1. If a runner doesn’t get a good jump, automatic fake steal. Another reason to do it. 2. Really do not like the one knee catchers are doing on base now. That was a horrible throw. If he throws it to the bag, there is a way better chance the SS can catch the ball.