What really Happened between Bruce Lee and Victor Moore? / Eyewitness Grandmaster Chuck Sullivan
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- Опубликовано: 6 апр 2023
- In this video, which was part of a Live video I did with Kenpo Grandmaster Chuck Sullivan, we discuss the Bruce Lee speed test at the 1967 Long Beach Internationals. Chuck was a witness to Bruce Lee and Vic Moore; however, his story differs from Grandmaster Victor Moore's. I ended up calling Vic Moore while live with Chuck Sullivan in an attempt to get to the bottom of things once and for all.
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It happened in 1967 and still folks are figuring it out . The man died almost 50 years ago and still people talking about him that shows how amazing he was ❤!
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This guy is not a grand master. I seen what I seen he never even block one think. VictorMoore grand master bull. The guy is Julius of Mr.Lee. that why he stick up for Victor Moore. Victor Moore had tears in his eye. Not Mr Lee.
They guy with the pubic hair on his . Is nothing he has nothing. That why he saying crap.
yeah...he was a movie star.
Shows people using a dead man for publicity
My father was there in the audience and came home and excitedly told us how great Bruce Lee's exhibition was and described it in detail. He told us about a Grand Master failing to block Lee's punches. He said nothing about Moore doing it to Bruce Lee. I don't believe Moore.
It’s impossible to block something like that with hands down and you can’t move your head.
I have no idea why people think this is impressive
@oldironsides4107 it was set up for Bruce to look good, I think Vic lied but the fact is it was set up for Vic to look slow
@@oldironsides4107 Bruce was fast, but he didn't really touch Vic or come close. So I agree.
@@guts7958 Not really
@@dudermcdude9245 it was
According to Jim Kelly, there was no one at that time that was on the same level as Bruce Lee.
In America.
@mitchjames9350 There were fighters in America and all over the world of fighting!Masters and Grandwizards that go waaaaay past black belt status!The fact is these individuals did not make movies in Hollywood! Bruce Lee himself knew this but cause he was a superstar although he did not like to be called that instead prefered to be known as simply a human being he is not going to tell the world that he can be defeated by a high level master or Grandwizard cause his career would of ended if he spoke that truth! Anyone can be defeated in a one on one fight ANYONE this is just facts💯I have great respect for Bruce lee but im a professional street fighter with 112 wins Im 6'2 245 muscular to the max and my combat consists of many styles not just ONE and ive examined as millions have Bruces choreographed skills which are amazing on film but in REALITY would get any man literally annihilated in a one to one combat contact fight!Bruce Lee Vs Chuck Norris displayed Bruces knowledge Over all in fighting mastery but im telling EVERYONE in Reality Bruce would of been in trouble with someone such as my weight size andvsame speed with striking combination plus grappling skills Bruce would of be done ugly!💯
@mitchjames9350 There were fighters in America and all over the world of fighting!Masters and Grandwizards that go waaaaay past black belt status!The fact is these individuals did not make movies in Hollywood! Bruce Lee himself knew this but cause he was a superstar although he did not like to be called that instead prefered to be known as simply a human being he is not going to tell the world that he can be defeated by a high level master or Grandwizard cause his career would of ended if he spoke that truth! Anyone can be defeated in a one on one fight ANYONE this is just facts💯I have great respect for Bruce lee but im a professional street fighter with 112 wins Im 6'2 245 muscular to the max and my combat consists of many styles not just ONE and ive examined as millions have Bruces choreographed skills which are amazing on film but in REALITY would get any man literally annihilated in a one to one combat contact fight!Bruce Lee Vs Chuck Norris displayed Bruces knowledge Over all in fighting mastery but im telling EVERYONE in Reality Bruce would of been in trouble with someone such as my weight size andvsame speed with striking combination plus grappling skills Bruce would of be done ugly!💯
@@mitchjames9350Jim Kelly said at the time no one was on Bruces level but Jim Kelly didnt get to travel extensive countries all over thecworld to see fighters that annihilate people not to mention highly skilled assassins of all cultures not just Asians!People are literally BLINDED by Americas HOLLYWOOD that they cant see reality for what it is!Was Bruce a real life fighter the answer is Yes cause he taught combat fighting to students plus stars but hecwas not a extreme STREET FIGHTER that battled one on one with another extreme combat skilled fighters Bruce was a martial Arts Choreographed Genius but he was a HUMAN BEING and in Reality he would of been in troublecwith his weight size and chin not being able to withstand a powerful punch!I know what im talking about cause I LIVE IT!Dont believe Hollywood and Media MMA is not the REAL DEAL!Street fighting with no rules till someone gets KOed is the realest form of underground fighting there is and its been going on for centuries this Hollywood does not want you to know that is where you see all the forms of fighting styles and mastery!I respect Bruce tremendously and he was a great ambassador in representing martial arts in Jeet kune do and wing chun just to realize and he said it himself that he changed his views and expressed that all styles have an advantage if the individual masters it!The real masters and Grandwizards dont do Hollywoid films or nedia of any sort!💯
@@mitchjames9350Im going to give you a great example do you think REALISTICALLY Bruce would defeat Francis Ngannoua in a one on one street fight?With all of Bruces skills the reality of him getting punched and knocked out quik would soon enter your mind am I right?Or if Francis simply grabbed him and slammed him one time what do you think would hapoen?In reality in a one on one you must deal with counter attacks do you think Bruce would be able to dance around tremdous size strength speed agility and fighting skill set of a bigger opponent?Are you getting my clear soring water drift of why I say Hollywood has peoples minds in a fog?🤔💯💯💯💯💯💯💯💯💯
I love the way Chuck starts laughing and shaking his head.
he knows its a damn lie
These where other times. I can‘t imagine that anybody would try to hit back. Honor was worth something, especially for Asian people. Just another big mouth 🤷♂️
WHY SOMEONE LIED ABOUT SOMETHING THAT EVERYONE KNEW THE FACT..
THIS DUDE IS LIKE TRUMP..LIAR, LIAR, LIAR, LIAR...BLAHHH, BLAHHH, BLAHH
I'm back here again to comment on this after having done so 9 months ago after recently finding out that a close friend of mine's uncle was at the '67 Long Beach International's tournament and who stated categorically that Vic Moore DID NOT do any of the things he claimed that he did during the demonstration with Bruce. He was there and did not see this take place at all with what Moore is now saying or has said happened.
Vic Moore, a supposed Karate Champ, looked impotent against Bruce Lee. Moore is just lying, in order to protect his Ego. He's not gracious about it either Moral of story: Moore is not the kind of guy you can trust.
I don't believe Mr Moore at all I think he is dreaming about throwing punches at Bruce hitting Bruce that way nothing but all Lie...
I'm so glad that you did this video. And you absolutely need to get Dan Inosanto and anyone else who was there to speak on this so we can end the confusion once and for all
ruclips.net/video/P7Vo5ZmDhjc/видео.html
You don't think Dan Inosanto would have already told the same story many times himself over the past many decades, if the story were true?
Vic Moore brags
The thing is, everyone from that time/met/sparred with Bruce wants to be known as "The man who beat Bruce" or "The man who was faster than Bruce."
There is always someone harder and faster out there, but on that day, Bruce just did his thing and now Victor just wants in on the legacy.
to the contrary everyone coattails and says they "learned everything" from Bruce. No one and I mean NO ONE says they beat the shtt out of Bruce. Fans dont want to hear that!
@@bobbyologun1517 The question is, who actually did?
@@springfauna1465 Gene LaBell of course
@Bobby Ologun he didn't beat the shit out of him. He got him in a fireman's carry.
@@bobbyologun1517because nobody did.
In Bruce Lees own words.. “Take no thought of who’s right or wrong, be not for or against.” Let the dead be in peace. Bruce Lee lives in the heart of millions, because of his charisma, his talks, he brilliance behind the camera, he writings, his dedication to self mastery. In my honest opinion he was the last true martial artist. Because what we know as a martial artist now is guy who fights for a living, to try to be the best or the strongest and so on, but he tried to beat himself on all planes, he pushed his limits physically & mentally, and he taught people that the human body alone is more important than any established system or principle, he didn’t believe in forms, sadly people even turned his own philosophy into a from, a style, which he would hate now. But that’s just how stupid human beings are, they always label things, and thus everything they touch crystallizes. But Bruce Lee thought that there shouldn’t be no form or crystallization, everything is moving, everything is fluidity. And honestly to think of these things during a time like that is just amazing, and that alone should give you a thought of how amazing this man was. Not only in martial art, even in body building and much more. I think he was universal man, like da Vinci. But we have people who are killing themselves for money, to earn glory and boost their egos of becoming the best “fighter”. They’re put in these cages like animals for entertainment and are owned by organizations such as ufc, One Championship and so on. Most of them are illiterate, hateful, drunk, doing drugs, saying hateful stuff to each others just to sell, is this what you call a martial artist? Please put some respect on Bruce Lees name. Bruce Lee transcended martial art in many ways, he was one of the first to integrate fighting mitts into training, he advised full contact sparring, he integrated cardio into his trainings as a martial artist, all the stuff they’re doing right now? He did it back then, for a young kid to even have the confidence and balls to go and do these seminars in front of professionals and teach them a thing or two is beyond amazing, absolutely incredible, to this day people who saw him say he was the best, the things he talked about then they had never heard before, and that is why some people hate him, because this young kid broke all their illusions, and they couldn’t understand what was happening. But the real ones who saw him talk well of him, and they knew even though he didn’t fight as in a sport, that he was something out of this world, because they all trained with and under him and they all sensed it. He is like mythological hero, like Achille, he will be remembered forever, because he showed us that there’s a certain potential laying dormant deep within us and that we too can awaken it and become extraordinary beings, which we are, just dumbed down by society, broken, castrated, weakened like tamed animals, go back to your instinct. Bruce Lee was the last true Martial Artist, peace, take care of yourselves guys!.
It probably lives in your heart and mind and whatever else you use to worship him lol 🤣🤣🤣🤣😂 to me the dude is just a dude with a gift of good fighting skills but I will never worship him his dust and you and I and also dust you don't worship dust you dummy smart one he went back to dust where he came from stop worshipping humans who get eating by worms smart one use your common sense my friend
Wow man! That was extremely well put, nice one 👍 👏 👌
Well put. But what did this man say that sounds like hate? Whether or not his story is true, all he is saying is that he got two punches in on Bruce Lee...that's not hatred...chuck Norris spoke in the same manner as if he wouldn't fight Bruce because he wasn't a real fighter. To me that sounds WAY more disrespectful.
@@ulyssespetty8714 Jim Kelly and karate champion Joe Lewis said nobody could touch Bruce Lee and they said we all sparred with him, big or small, they didn’t want to mention specific names, because it would taint their career or embarrass them.
@@Kawarezayi that's right!
It's pretty awesome that you go around and try to get the truth without a judgemental attitude.
I think it's what non fighters would do! A real heroic act of a fighter would take a position, and stand firm on it, and really dig his feet in. It's the nature of a real fighter. It's the spirit of our military., It's the spirit of what we want in a leader of our country. It's essence of the name "viking Samurai" but that's not what we are witnessing!
Why doesn't he post the video of Moore walking away after his demo with Bruce, and not punching him? This way we won't have to hear nonsense.
@@antimediaman9354 , What military are you talking about? The U.S. military is full of psychopaths and communists who want to destroy the Constitution.
LOL Moore was instructed to not throw a strike period.
11:15 you definitely solved the "mystery". 18k people were in attendance and no one witnessed Bruce getting hit or crying.
Plus after that demo Vic walks away back to his seat and doesn't hand around like he said to hit Bruce Lee. Lie exposed!!
Vic was so fast he humiliated Bruce Lee and no one saw him do it. That's fast.
@@supralogical lol that's funny as hell!
Exactly
And why wouldn't it have been filmed? If someone hit Bruce Lee like he says it would have been a headline story
Chuck Sullivan is known for his humility and honesty.
I don't doubt that. But in this demonstration, the hand was quicker than the eye.
Perhaps you’re right but perhaps you guys are just Bruce Lee lovers to a fault who knows
Known by whom? Every White person, who says they were there.
I remember a guy! I remember Bruce pulled a guy out of the crowd. Don't you find that oddly, interesting at best?
@@StephenKhalfaniso ? that guy is vic moore. cuz chuck literally said he didnt knew who moore is
Not sure if he's still alive, but I've heard that Sam Allred (who went on to become a very high-ranking practitioner of Kajukenbo,) took footage of the event, so he'd be high on the list of people who would have firsthand knowledge.
Vic Moore does not like losing, he got into a big fight with Joe Lewis, they were throwing chairs at each other, and he eventually lost to Lewis I believe more than once, we have footage of Moore vs Lewis on youtube, and Moore is completely outclassed. The top fighters of that time virtually all put Lewis in their top 10 toughest fighters and usually 1 or 3, none of them ever put Moore on that list.
@Fk RUclips You're really sucking that Vic Moore juice, jumping to his defence on every comment. Take some pain-killers for those burns.
@Fk RUclips so why did it take him 30 years to say something about it? Yeah right. Show the proof, I'm from the show me state!
Lewis who beat vic said Bruce was to fast
@Fk RUclips I didn't know that it took him 30 years that's why I asked the question, Mr illiterate. Besides, if sensei all you can eat buffet is so good, why didn't he say he beat Bruce right away? If he beat Bruce right away, wouldn't he want to tell everyone instead of waiting for him to pass away? Wouldn't people try to get him to prove it right away?. Try to read the question properly before you male cheerlead, genius. You don't know if Bruce would lose in sparring because you have no proof! Jim Kelly said Bruce was the best, behind closed doors Bruce would win, Jim Kelly never said anything about Vic beating anyone behind closed doors or in public.🤣
@Fk RUclips Then how come nobody who was there substantiates Vic's claim? NOBODY... Just Vic... so all the video footage is lying and everyone else is lying but only Vic is telling the truth in a wierd ass conspiracy? Right... show some evidence or keep it between you and Vic cause you're one of the few people gullible enough to believe him. 18 thousand witnesses... That's a lot of people who could back up Vics claim but no one has supported Vic's statement except him and his students.Think rationally.... Vic by claiming he beat Bruce Lee gets more students if they're dumb enough to believe his conspiracy theory. What does Sullivan gain by lying? Which one actually has motive to lie?
It takes a small, small man to try and smear the legacy of someone that's been gone for 50 years.
100%. Loved how Vic Moore went quiet when Chuck said he never saw that happen.
@@axelstone3131 He knew he was busted.
@@MatrixCobretti definitely
Zackly, Vic a a diabetes fried chicken eating average champion not a generational super rare champion.
The part that he mentioned of Ed Parker getting involved was enough to know it was a lie.
Vic is a legend in his own mind
bl s a legend n your mind and not mine.... lol
He was a world champ goob.
@@dudermcdude9245yeah. but lying to this extent ? yeah. he asked for it. he want people to downplay him
Victor was a 10 times champion Black belt.. go sit in the corner and do some research .
The Legend lives on and still surprises, what an unforgettable personality!
First the Lebell-Seagal "incident", and now this... You're doing an absolutely incredible job by bringing all these subjects to light, Viking!!
Thanks man, definitely trying to get the truth!
@@VikingSamurai you are the best man ! realy like your interview !
The Gene Lebell story has been out for 25 years at least. I don't see how Viking provided any new info.
Yeah. Now, Viking Samurai can find a witness who can attest that Mama Cass "did not" choke to death on a sandwich. 😂
@Viking Samurai I find it very hard to believe that the guy didn't even know who Vic Moore was, it's definitely something to think about. Bruce Lee's punches have been blocked before so it's not something that never happened. Ralph castro and Kenneth wong both blocked Bruce Lee's punches very easily, castro was one of the martial artists that lee met in San Francisco through James lee. Kenneth Wong was the hung sing student that blocked Bruce Lee's punches at the sun sing theatre in an identical speed drill test to the 1967 one with Vic Moore, this happened in 1964 before Bruce became famous, it's in the schools history, that event led to the challenge match between Bruce Lee and wong jak man, I know Bruce Lee's history inside out, the events are definitely documented in numerous biographies and James yim.lee books on Bruce Lee.
No one can diminish Bruce Lee's accomplishments in the martial arts. Back in 2008, some "quack" wrote a book that claimed that Bruce Lee took anabolic steroids, and that is unsubstantiated. People should have more respect for the deceased Bruce Lee, his widow Linda, and his daughter Shannon.
Well not to jerk your chain or disappoint you but that story is true, Bruce Lee did take Steroids. And I'm a huge Bruce Lee fan so Im not making anything up. The cause of his Death is partly from using Steroids. He had a back injury and Doctor would inject him Steroids for the pain. The Doctor told him if he keeps using the Steroid medication that he live a short life. But Bruce Lee said he would rather live a short life then never walk or do Kung Fu again.
Steroids 😆
But the Bob Baker letters did reveal that Bruce was doing coke, acid, hash. Linda corresponded with Baker as well. I take anything Linda says with a grain of salt.
If it was lies bruce lee estate would sue but hey no comments from the lee side
Bruce Lee took a form of stroids, that's why I say that Bruce Lee wouldn't of been able to fight ALi because he wouldn't of been able to pass a drug test.
I had the honor of being a student of Grandmaster Chuck Sullivan back in the early 1980's at the Hawthorne Karate Connection.
Mr. Sullivan is one of the most humble, polite, honest, and genuine people I've met.
If Vic Moore was telling the truth, which we all know he isn't, there would be film recording of the questionable incident because The Long Beach is documented on film from start to finish.
Another thing, Vic brings in Steve Sanders name as a witness (I think that's what he was saying) . Steve Sanders, who I've also met and worked out with in a black belt class that Chuck Sullivan was teaching, (our normal black belt class that Steve Sanders participated in). I would like to hear Steve Sanders account of what happened between Vic Moore and Bruce Lee.
Thanks for these videos interviewing Grandmaster Chuck Sullivan. He is such a great person, has so many stories and is a wonderful teacher and story teller.
In truth, I feel that Chuck Sullivan should be better known to the world of those in and not in the martial arts communities.
Thank You
They should get Steve sanders.
Vic is telling a big lie.
@@hoseastewart925 --- that is my thought about Vic. I think he's told that lie so many times that he actually believes it really happened.
Vic Moore a legend in his own mind Time and space .
Vic Moore straight up exposed - thank you!
Exposed I didn't even know the guy was someone important. Was this rumor being spread around? This was the first I ever heard of it
Maybe it’s. Chuck exposed. How do you know who’s wrong
@@brin57 The actual footage shows both men are right about Part 1: Bruce throwing two punches at Vic, and Vic said those were about two feet away. Slow down the speed to 1/4 and you see he's right. The film has vertical lines in it that magically appear as a rectangular box around Vic, and Bruce's punches never come close to penetrating them. So they qualify as feints.
Part 2: As to the second part, the long film original shows that Chuck correctly remembered that there was no inclusion of Lee defending Moore's strikes in round 2 demo. The film shows Moore bowed with Lee and jogged offstage to the left. There's no doubt about it. Nor has there ever been a story go round or on television or karate mags of the era discussing the day Bruce Lee got showed up and booed. Maybe Mr. Moore was upset he didn't get a movie part. Only he can say. Maybe he just remembered it wrong, as in ego defense mechanism. Maybe it was all the years people thought wrongly that Lee really got the best of him in that demo.
Vic is a liar
Straight up Lie is more like it.
I like that you didn't hesitate to have two people who were there discuss what happened directly. I don't know if it was definitively resolved but it was definitively addressed.
It's looking like Vic Moore is delusional.
@@tonysan4762 Totally!!!!! 😂
Grand Master Chuck was so on point with his comments on Vic Moore.
That guy Vic Moore is full of it, convinced himself of something he never did but would wish he could do ... Come on Man 😭
Yup!
On the vid its easy to see that he blocked
Yes, Vic Moore was invincible! He blocked all of Bruce Lee’s punches with his face!😝😂
The footage shows Moore stunned, shaking hands, bowing and walking clear out of the demonstration area after Bruce threw his punches. How did you even get caught up in this guys story?
And besides, catching his hand on the way back isn't blocking the punch. 😅
Reminds me old guys in a bar going on about their boxing history and lamenting over if so and so was
not around I would have been a contender and so forth.
Moore whinges in this clip and bullshits just as he would have done many times previous to this knowing
that a majority would not have access to the old footage.
Bruce Lee was untouchable even if he was giving these demos with a heads up of what was going to happen
@@michaelzimmerman8959Bruce Lee was throwing those punches for speed only and not from striking range either. In a real sparring match or fight I think Bruce Lee whoops him.
@@michaelzimmerman8959 you do not need to "block" something that is stopping 30cms from you; and catching it on the way back is one of the best ways to close on an opponent. It's understood in many styles. If Moore was stunned, it was because he had been duped, like TV advertorials showing their products working amazingly - then they don't work at your house.
Vic Moore is a liar and he's been found out because Bruce Lee is dead now and he can BS all he can now!!!
Another awesome interview. Thanks!
I just watched the unedited footage of the 1967 karate international and Vic Moore didn’t throw any punches at Bruce Lee. After the demonstration they bowed and walked there separate ways.
wrong...Vic came to the stage and started to jump thinkn that they were gonna fight but Li was just into a comedy show case
In the old days, karate practioneers all over did not think much of Chinese Kung fu. This may have germinated from the wars between Japan and China. This sentiment was portrayed in the Bruce Lees flims as well. Fist of fury, for example.
So Vic Moore, who was a champion among his colleagues, was no exception, appears to have been embarrassed by Bruce Lee performance. As you know, Bruce was working at becoming a total athlete. As he explained in his Tao of Jeet kune do. Traditional martial artists only focused on perfecting their karate style. So it suffice to say that Bruce speed, agility, and power came by his hard work and athleticism! Therefore, anyone who has not trained or prepared on this level should not be surprised, that such an athlete can bring out all of the deficiencies or inadequacies of his opponents in an embarrassing way as we see with Vic Moore. I conclude that Vic Moore's pride may have betrayed him instead of guiding him. It would be interesting to others view on my comments. Thank you. Chen!🙏
Vic Moore beat Bruce Lee in his dream! To this day he still dreams about it! Hey, if you can’t make it happen in real life you might as well make it a reality in your own mind! That was also how Gene LeBell supposedly beat Bruce Lee as well - in his own mind! This was how all of these “great martial artists” got their fame - by beating Bruce Lee in their sleep! And immediately all the Bruce Lee haters jumped on their nutsacks to make them their heroes! Which, of course, make these imaginary Bruce Lee beaters instantly famous in the minds of the haters! But none of them ever made a name for themselves outside of their claim to have beaten Bruce Lee! But you would think after 50 years they would stop trying to cash in from Bruce Lee’s name and fame!
Wow! You don't pull any punches.
That was a gutsy move, calling Vic Moore, on the spot like that.
I was a little embarrassed for you, but you just pushed through it!
You da man!👍
yeah we get your a fanboy for vic Moore
I was embarrassed for vic moore lmao
you were embarrassed for him? For what? Calling out a pathological liar LIVE and setting the record straight? What a muppet.
You should have been embarrassed for Vic Moore
You have got to be a Vic Moore fan
I really hope you could get in touch with Dan Inosanto but I'm afraid he is hard to reach directly. Dan was assisting Bruce in many exhibitions, maybe he was told by Bruce what really happened during 61 YMCA fight, 64 Wong Jack Man fight and 73 on film set fight...
i'm training with escrima in stockton and my teacher knows dan and his family. actually has photos of him holding the lineage up with mirarada under one of his instructors. apparently he breaks bread with dan and his wife. i want to meet the guy, but he's in his 80s now. i set up a google search from my house to his school, and with no traffic, it's a 6.5 hour drive... i keep thinking about going, but for me in my 50s and having a spine issue, i keep putting it off.
Yes. We need Dan on the podcast to talk about all those events
Just go to one of his seminars and meet him there. That's what I did back in 1996. I did my first Dog Brothers Gathering that same year, just a few months before.
Dan had said in a couple of interviews that he witnessed personally Bruce Lee in fights and he said Bruce explodes into opponents and ends his fights as quickly as possible because of the one fight with that other Chinese kung fu master when he won the fight but it took longer to win the fight so even though he won he was upset it took to long. His wife also witnessed this fight. Jim Kelly the same, he witnessed closed door sparing sessions between Bruce and the top martial arts practitioners of that era s d Jim said Bruce made quick work of them and he said out of respect for those masters he and Bruce would not tell anybody who those masters were because that was the agreement prior to engaging
You can call his studio and ask
Bruce Lee was very fast and his speed generated a lot of power.
Bruce lee was a genius of martial arts. He studied an educated us with the concepts of Jeet Kune Do, as in Tao of Jeet Kune Do. While recovering he put his concepts into a well informative book. Many of us have taken some thing from this to improve or better ourselves. A fact is, there are many good martial artist, from different styles an walks of life. Better to find the common ground an respect each others talents, an learn new things. Yes, many will claim things. But people who are there know the real truth. Lets remember him as a teacher of his art an let him R.I.P.
no he didn't
I can easily believe he got one in on Bruce, but, if the crowd was booing and Bruce was crying, surely there would be other witnesses to substantiate that, because nobody would forget something like that happening if, in fact, it had.
Thinks Vic heard the story of Bruce & Steve Mc Queen in that Mc Queen drove his racing car .
Or something like that.😂😂😂
Yeah... the booing and crying part seems difficult to believe. Ed Parker allegedly hiding the tape wouldn't have stopped that from coming out with 18k people there.
It wouldn't hurt Lee anyway. Anybody can get hit once in a while even the greatest ever.
If that dude got one in on Bruce to the extent it made him cry it would be shown evrywhere over the world
and the blowhard would have made sure of that. Bruce Lee crying? I don't think so
Vic Moore is a liar plain and simple.
This guy vic is all cap ! "Tears in his eyes".Now I'm convinced you didn't even beat Chuck norris!
That was pretty Epic when VS says hold on let me call Vic to get to the bottom and Vic picks up. But this would never get resolved I believe Vic lives in his own world telling his grandkids how he defeated the legendary Bruce Lee 😆
🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣
Once you tell a little white lie you need to keep telling it or you lose face…
True! Lol
Vic is full of himself. I also saw an interview, were he told a fairytail why he is faster than Bruce... he said "because as a kid i always looked to other kids in the schoolbus, where they look, and which move came after their look... thats why i as adult i am faster than Bruce" ... Sorry, but no. Yes, as a Hollywood-movie like "Karate Kid" its a cool story, to build up bow to the "talent of a kid, who becomes Karate-Champion" ... but i am sure, thats not how talent in reality works. Vic also told in the same interview, that Bruce Lee in the end of the demonstration said "you are the fastest american i ever met" (that shows, how much he wants the appreciation of a big name .... which before he trashtalked). That contradiction just doesnt make sense.
I also can sense by his laughing at the demonstration of Bruce (at the footage) that he had a lot of disrespect towards Bruce even at that point. There was no reason, to appreciate Bruce. So he had a strong motive to make things up about Bruce, i would say. And the hurted and inflated ego explains the rest.
Here’s a little more footage showing 2 of the 3 punches!!
ruclips.net/user/shorts59natxeZXnE?si=L1LPJmnsGIYl-gvX
Vic lied & said he blocked them😂😂😂😂😂
The footage I saw was Bruce never getting his hand closer than 18 inches from Vic's head. Looks like Bruce pulled his punch before it could be blocked.
Vic lying like that tarnished his legacy he wasn't just lying about some random dude he lied about Bruce.
@nickecletico fax
@nickecletico yes my bad
I think vic had a dream he blocked Bruce lee s punches
and even in the dream Bruce was to fast for him lol
@@comedyentertainmentchannel5621 he's likely re living that day for the rest of his life only he tells it differently lol
@@aidenfletcher6503 LOL
Viv hasn't slept since that demonstration. He's friggin exhausted & hallucinating like he's on the powder 😂
Hahaha yeah he dreamed
Vic Moore said the film of him hitting Bruce was destroyed to not taint the legend that was Bruce Lee? But he wasn't yet the legend back then? Therefore, there was nothing to hide.
It would take a real big man to admit the truth.
We need to hear the testimonies of more eye witnesses.
OMG!! That was awesome having both GM's on!! Great live broadcast!!
Glad you enjoyed it
@@VikingSamurai He's GM (Vic Moore) because he made up his own shit, but never was promoted to GM. You need to expose that too Viking! It's not finalized!
@@antimediaman9354 why do people keep calling Vic Moore a grandmaster I'm sure he's lying about that too
@@antimediaman9354 man you are absolutely right Vic Moore is not a grandmaster a grand master would not lie about someone else and brag about himself they are too disciplined to do something like
You are actually doing historical work; reaching out to witnesses of stories. Your contribution is significant and I bet that anyone who decides to write a book about these things (another about Bruce Lee or that era in general) would be really grateful to.have access to these interviews. To me, sadly or not, Chuck seems more convincing than Vic - that is very subjective though. And I accepted Vics story the first time I heard it. I also said sadly or not because I pitty Vic a bit and I don't care as much for Bruce's invincible status as much as for the truth. Anyway Viking Samurai,, great work. Love your channel. And btw: I think you'd look badass in Samurai armor so maybe consider showing up in it someday. After all it's in the name of the channel
Find the camera man, or the original footage and get the real answer.
Apparently the crowd booing Bruce seems not to be mentioned and if true there would be lots and lots of eye witnesses.
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I looooove this! I'd also love to know where the "Grandmaster" title came from. He's convinced himself by telling himself the same lie for decades. The unknown comic who beat everybody in the world. Dude probably out-miracled Jesus, though somehow nobody ever saw or heard of it.
Grandmaster of lies,👌
He is the other Gene LeBell. Both made a living telling unsubstantiated stories to the Bruce Lee haters of how they have beaten Bruce Lee in their own delusional minds!
😂 Bruce's speed is legendary...there's footage of him in a 3 piece suit and I ain't seen anyone faster and Ive seen em all . Course Vic doesn't want to be the guy that bruce made look slow but there's no shame in that he did it to everyone . Also when one guy can't speak to it , the other guy can say whatever he wants .
We should call dave, the viking Samurai hunter.
He hunts for truth, honour and justice in the American way and us viewers love it.
Nice one dude 👏 👌 👍
Thanks! Lol
@@VikingSamurai BTW i love the scene from a few good men. Lol
@@VikingSamurai I've just seen an interview on RUclips with Hugh jackman and he said he got too look that phenomenal due to 3 months of intensive training and with a period of Dehydration techniques for the shirtless scenes.
If its true or not who knows but if it is, what real dedication to acting.
@@mauricebrocklehurst2358 Dehydrating and getting dry will definately help the ripped look appearance, it can make someone look visually a couple % bodyfat leaner imo
In a Vic Moore video he not only claims he beat Lee in speed drill, but goes on to say he sparred him in a private room at Longbeach, and kicked his ass - _and_ Moore claims a camera man filmed it. I’m not Lee fanboying, but where’s the proof, Vic? Surely this camera man would have released this footage after all this time.
Exactement! And the money that camera man could have made...There was never any footage, if there was it would have been released a long time ago. Vic Moore is a fat old LIAR!
😄 Ya where's the footage? I would love to see 👀 it! 🤔
He should be addressed as Mr. Vic Moore, perhsps youve never trained in a traditional martial arts school.
@@georgetate7233 I’ll address this liar as Pr*ck Moore.
@@georgetate7233 Liars aren't respected by everyone. If respect for liars is your thing you do you.
I've ran on to your channel on RUclips and I must say I enjoy it very much . Thank you so much for all you're doing and God bless .
Wow, thank you, glad you found it!
I would Love for you to host the Art of Lima Lama I knew one of the Grand Master's Sal Esquivel . He was a very great man.
That would be great if you could interview Steve or Dan for this topic! With all due respect to Grandmaster Moore I don’t understand why there wouldn’t be any footage of him winning over Bruce. Besides his childhood films Bruce wasn’t known yet to even be fanned on or protected about this. This was his come out to the Martial Art world to show what he could do. I’m pretty sure lots of guys watching Bruce’s demo would have cheered Grandmaster Moore considering Bruce was outspoken about the martial arts which made a lot of these folks mad. Him striking Bruce and Bruce losing would have changed things a bit. We wouldn’t be looking at him the same especially on a demonstration of speed. No one would have any reason to cut film or hide anything. Love your videos!
"With all due respect to Grandmaster Moore I don’t understand why there wouldn’t be any footage of him winning over Bruce."
Respect? Why respect a dis-honorable liar who changes the details of his story each day? Grandmaster? huh? What hi he a Grandmaster of? What style and by who? What is this sheep following here?. I say get another 80 year old maybe Dan Inosanto to knock his fat ass out and out of his wheel chair lol.
There's not footage because bruce would look bad. If you watch bruce throw a punch, he never got close to vic. Steve sanders said vic blocked bruces punches at first then bruce threw his punches farther away so he couldnt block it.
@@Jstarkey3rd "There's not footage because bruce would look bad."
So they knew that Bruce was gonna look bad ahead of time and decided not to record the footage? Are you that nuts?
@@Jstarkey3rd "If you watch bruce throw a punch, he never got close to vic."
If you watch the film he never touched Bruce lees hand like he said he did.. He didn't say touched he said "wam! blocked it!! as in hard block so where is that? huh? Is that an over exagertion when he means touch? Answer the question just don't go rambling on and pretend I didn't ask you.
@@Jstarkey3rd "If you watch bruce throw a punch, he never got close to vic."
I didn't see him get close to punching Lee Immediately after either! I saw him walk back to his seat so that was a lie.
He probably told that story to his students enough times and believed it himself. I believe that exhibit benefited him tremendously.
Bullsh**so has crept into all of the martial arts.
That’s entirely possible considering his age. His imagination is getting mistaken for real memories.
🤣😜🤣👍
@@orlock20 It was always there.
If he did, show me proof. Lol. Like to see it. Maybe I hit him too but have no video of it. Lmao😅
I love how people all beat Bruce Lee after he died and can't say anything.
Yes please do ask those other folks what they saw at that tournament David. That will be interesting to learn.👂👁👁🤔👍
Vic Moore blocking Bruce lol Steven Seagal saying he met Bruce . where does it end lol
I appreciate this interview and episode. Vic Moore is just lying. Dude still "dresses up" in every interview. I think we're all past that at this point in history. Traditional martial arts has been and is currently being disproven thanks to the UFC and MMA, even tho Bruce Lee was saying this very thing in the late 60s and early 70s. The video is there. Vic couldn't block it. The challenge was about stopping Bruce from a distance. Vic is lying and it's sad! I'm not saying Bruce could beat everyone BUT he was way ahead of his time.
Yes but those 'everyone' had a chance to step up
Good luck trying to stop the Mr Lee.
The funny thing is: people like Vic, and Chuck Norris are literally fighting a dead man. And even as a dead man, Bruce is a very tough opponent (because there is footage... because there are contradictions in Chucks claims, and Vic's claims). Just imagine, how hard Bruce Lee would be to defeat if he would be alive, .. if even as a dead man Bruce is that hard of an opponent!
Real fights between these men would've settled this issue ,but in a real fight everyone gets hit !" It's what you do afterwards that counts !" Remember ,we are talking about human beings ,not supermen !""
You've really got to get Dan Inosanto on. Please, hes getting on a bit now, so more now than ever. Let's clear this up. Kudos to Chuck Sullivan for speaking up.
Even Chuck Norris said Bruce Lee the real deal.
His memory about the whole event may be flawed, but the footage shows that he actually did block Bruce's punch to the chest. And the punch to the head stops well short, didn't even come close.
Everyone can see this in the vid. I dont know whats wrong with this people here. It frightening.
@@josef-Connected I know, it's very weird.
Vic’s story when I heard it seemed so improbable. If all of those masters could beat Bruce (his words) why did they all want to learn from him? Ie Joe Lewis & Chuck Norris.
Chuck would remember if he was there? But these guys are elderly and have been repeating the same story for ages. There is also the matter eyewitness accounts differing. I’m sure were Bruce Lee around, his version would be different as well. Does this whole thing really matter?
It matters because Vic Moore is lying, to hype himself up. There were 18,000 people there, how do you silence that many people?!?!
I was half expecting Vic wouldnt be available. It blew me away, that he actually was.
Yes, because *VM* usually has something better to do..?
@@adamkane7513 probably not, just waiting to die😛
Yeah...me too. I was like 'dont want an old man get debunked worldwide .. LIVE!'. Just leave him be..let an old man enjoy the rest of his life.
But the other side of me felt a little angry for his lies
Thanks for this video, great job
Btw - If you do get hold of Dan Insanto... ask him if there is anything other than standard stuffing in Lee +400 lb heavy bag. For example.. a steel pole in the center. Or maybe the center is filled with Sand... where as the rest is fiber / foam. Ive heard claims that it weighs around 500 lbs... and IMO, the only way for it to way that much, would be for it to have higher density material in it. Its about 4ft in diameter, which would probably be about the same mass as 4 standard heavy bags... unless it has a denser filling.
My father was from the same generation of the kung fu, karate hype era and he told me the same story you see in the actual footage. He told me this back in the 90s long before all of this social media. Bruce asked who was the fastest and Vic Moore was named the fastest. So Bruce explained that it was a speed exhibition. He'll throw backfists in front of Vic's face and he tries to catch them. He kept throwing the punches and Vic couldn't catch them. Everyone saw it clear as day and that was the end of it.
Joe Lewis was faster than Moore caue he beat him in point fighting where it's about how fast you can tag the other guy. Vic couldn't even react and back up fast enough when Lewis lunged at him. He lost by like 50 points to 2. and Vic Moore shouted racism.
@@antimediaman9354 and Joe Lewis has nothing to say but great things about Bruce's speed and power, particularly given Bruce's smaller stature. Only Vic is the one making up stories then and now.
@@wonphi Right so who are you gonna listen to Joe Lewis who beat Vic easily or Vic who is upset that he lost to Guys like Lewis, and has to say it was racism? This is a bad charactor, and a dishonorable person that says this, and now saying he can beat Bruce Lee and that Bruce lee wasn't even good, and that all the national champions thought this. This is something not true because we heard from the national champions and a lot of them said only amazing things about Lee.
Vic Moore beat lewis in 68 at the worlds fair championship. He also beat Bill superfoot Wallace in 1970.
@@timsmith5335 Vic Moore also lost to Joe Lewis in a game of tag by a wide margin! The much bigger Joe Lewis easily scored aginst the smaller, supposedly faster, Moore, but though he was lighter he wasn't faster since the heavier Joe Lewis is outpointed him. Watch the video, and you will see Moore not fast enough to even retreat faster than Lewis advanced……. Now in Kickboxing there was no way Moore could beat Lewis cause he had no power and you can see it in his tag game with Lewis.
If Vic is lying, how come nobody shows the entire Kung Fu event? to show the people he is Lying
Its a conspiracy against vic
Lets put it this way. I will admit first off that i was not there at this 1967 event ( I was 8 at the time). However, I did get to train with Guru Inosanto back in the 80`s and he was the quickest human being that I had ever witnessed. I have viewed the footage of that day and the sparing match between Lee and Inosanto. It very much looks like Lee beat him to the punch most of the time. If victor more were actually as fast as he claims against Lee, his fame would have traveled far and wide as the man that bested Bruce Lee.... The evidence just doesn`t support Vic`s claim.
18,000 people there would have spread the news all over the world. They would be interviewed too. There'd be a lot of talk about it
Very well said.
You mean in the Era where black people was actually get hung .. oh ok
I spoke with Gm Vic Moore over the phone about this same incident,a his story still the same it's been about 5 years ago.
I can't call the man a lyer ,I just think he had a very convincing dream. 🏆🥇🏆
🥋Much respect to the Gm Vic Moore he was a serious competitor in point karate and help kick off full contact karate & kickboxing 🥊🥊
Dude is a liar. There it's said for you.
I've heard of one of Lee's older students who said in a Bruce Lee documentary he was once sparring with Bruce and in the middle of a finger strike to his eyes he asked Bruce how come your so god damn fast ! And Bruce replied " I've found many people faster than me I learned to be Deceptive " So it could be true ! Bruce also told Jim Kelly that he (Jim ) had one of the Fastest backfist strikes he had ever seen !
That was the late Bob Bremer who made that statement about Bruce's speed. Unfortunately there are not many surviving students left of Bruce.
It was Herb Jackson who said this. I think Bruce was just being humble.
@@francdubois7832 Yeah me too.
Is your name really Vinny Vincent? As in Vinny from Kiss?
@@francdubois7832 Nope, it was Bob Bremer just like @Goblin Kid pointed out.
I meaaaaaan LOL. I wasn't there physically, but I knew it was a glorified dream story to pump himself up. 50+ years later, but you're doing a great job Viking.
ere’s a little more footage showing 2 of the 3 punches!!
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Vic lied & said he blocked them😂😂😂😂😂
What a great interview
Vic Moore was great, but I wish he would stopped talking about this.
The punches Vic Moore received are getting to him
@linherong - You sure it's CTE that Vic Moore is suffering from?
@@endwigast5212 I think he is just being delusional. Bruce his demonstration footage has been going around for decades with 18000 people watching live and you want to tell me nobody captured anything or said anything about Vic beating Bruce except Vic Moore himself,
C’mon maaan
I think if that happened the way Vic Moore said it did it would have been recorded by the camera men there. Bruce was humble enough to give someone credit for their abilities which he did on many occasions with his own students. If what Vic said happened I think Bruce would have given him credit for it and probably wanted to train with him like he did with Chuck Norris and other martial arts experts. He might even have invited Vic to be in one of his movies. None of that happened so I have to side with those present who said that it didn't happen the way Vic said it did.
Wait a sec, I just listened to a video of Vic Moore, himself, recounting it all. In that video, he said Bruce threw 2 body shots he blocked, and then a head shot sneakily when Vic glanced at the crowd. Yet here he seems to indicate 2 head shots. How often is his story inconsistent?
Yep. In another vid Moore goes on to claim he sparred with Bruce in a private room at Longbeach, and he beat Lee’s ass in front of a camera man and other witnesses. I’m sure this story + the footage would have leaked within 60 years. The guy is a total liar.
"he had tears in his eyes" 😂😂😂😂
My cousin trained with Dan Inosanto for like 2 weeks back in the 70s. He said Dan was no joke was and still is a bad man as far as martial arts. My cousin being in his late 50s is one tuff SOB. These guys are a different breed believe that. Just for S and giggles my cousin join a golden gloves tournament in his 40s because he was bored. Now he didn't make it far but he felt he needed to give and receive a whooping just so he knows he still alive. A different breed indeed!
Great video, Viking Samurai 🤺💪 I do believe in Grandmaster Chuck Sullivan's version of this event. It sounds much more real to me 👍✌️
I was familiar with all the martial artists of that era, but for the life of me, I never heard of Victor Moore
How do you not no Vic Moore. He taught the penguins to defend themselves from Steven Segal. He beat Chuck. He beat Bruce and even the guy who put the cheese on the nachos! Vic the Moore I talk the Moore I've done!
@@angelbanda718 All the videos out there show him getting beat. So I have no idea of what he's talking about.
My only estimation is that since somebody’s lying I have to look at both and see their motives. Chuck has nothing to gain by lying but Vic has quite a lot to gain if enough people believe his side.
Awesome job getting all the sides of the story, so important to represent the history outside of the Ego, assertions and manipulations! Of course there is video too lol 👀🔥
Yep. The video is there. Same thing Bruce gets criticized for....even tho it was the late 60s...before cell phone technology!😊
I don't think I don't think it's an awesome job I think it's b*******this mr. Samurai entertaining such an idiot asSandblaster Vic Moore
These are great contents brother
Vic is still hurt about getting embarrassed by Bruce.
Viç said Bruce Lee was crying in his interview
Fantastic stuff. This is growing to be my favorite Martial Arts channels as a kid born in 82 and grew up in the 90s lol. Man if you get Dan Inosanto on here lol! Would be awesome. Great stuff🤘
Hi Viking Samurai Sir ! For me, there's no mistery : Vic Moore believes in his own dreams !
I respect Victor,he seems to be a great martial artist and a decent human being,with that said,I don't believe a word of what he said,and a picture can and did express 1000 word's on how Bruce Lee effectively was the faster man that day,respectively so.
"You didn't take like a bathroom break did you?" hand me rolling!!🤣🤣🤣🤣! We slowed that video down and Vic Moore did not block anything! From what I've heard, no one has ever seen Vic Moore hit Bruce Lee, and he never blocked those punches.
Bruce Lee's "punches" never got anywhere near Vic Moore. It's hard to block a punch when it's nowhere near you.
Awesome interview. Good call to put Vic on the the phone.
You can end this BS if Viking would do his research and post the original video that shows Moore leaving the floor after the demo and not hang out to punch him.
I’ve done marshal-arts for years and there are many that it goes right to their head. It can be such a lucrative money maker for some. So they exaggerate their personal abilities. There is also some that are vary humble but they are not the richest ones.
Now that's a good example of premium journalism. Why can't MSM do this. Call them out on air .
Can you get Chuck Norris on the show and maybe other people who were there. I would love to get to the bottom of it but maybe invite Dan Inosanto on your show as he may know.
I asked Dan already a few years ago when Moore started making this claim and Dan said it was BS.
@@antimediaman9354Chuck Norris on the show? Really?! Chuck only comes out in emergencies when the world needs him.
@@rong805 lol yeah right. Comes to save the day!
Hopefully
Try to interview more people that were there please 😁
I like the clips of your interviews 😎👍
coming soon
Lots of people accuse Dux of lying. But Dux has evidence, video, and otherwise showing him doing Dim Mak, blindfolded practice, etc. He's got hundreds of students who testify to his martial prowess. Even those who hate him can't deny that aspect of his life. Maybe someday the videos of his fights might come out, if they are real, and haven't already.
That being said, Vic Moore has always struck me as a man with a chip, who not only embellishes his accomplishments, but downright lies when you can see the video for yourself. It's remarkable how easily this man lies.
I like this guy Chuck Sullivan. Hes honest straight forward and real. Good to have a real witness to shame the lies of Vic Moore trying to make a name for himself off of Bruce Lee.
Don't you think some other people from the audience would told this to press later if Vic's story would be true and i think it would have in papers anyway after the demostration. Of course it would have been in papers etc, but only who is telling this story is VIC. I believe Vic could not handle that Bruce was way faster than he could imagine and to protect his own "Vic's" status as a great martial artist to make that fake story and he would stick to it because he can claim that there is lost footage because there was not so many cameras after all at that time to say otherwise. I am 100% convinced that Vic story is fake as hell. He is only one who is telling this story over and over again but nobody else is backing him up.
I'm interested in seeing the full footage of this
You probably already have
He said the crowd were booing and against Bruce so there should be plenty of people who saw it if it was true.
You can see them shake hands right after the third punch and then walk away from each other.
Hello, Viking Samurai. I respect Vic, because he's a Martial Artist. However, I don't believe his Bruce Lee story. Thousands of humans saw that demonstration. All the Martial Artists back then, said the same thing, no one was on Bruce's level. However, you did have alot of humans thinking they were better than Bruce, but they weren't.
TERRANCE OUT
Maybe they thought they were better because Bruce never really fought.
@@stevo62ful Bruce Lee fought on the streets of China, was challenged many times, by Martial Artists in America. Instead of being a clown, do your research.
TERRANCE OUT
@@t-virusterrance4734 The standard fanboy answer is "do your research". Well I've done my research and I can't find the name and credentials of a single opponent on the streets of China, so why don't you tell me the name and credentials of a street fighter in China that Bruce fought, along with details of what happened' ?, otherwise it might look like you are the clown
Can you imagine what this dude sees in his brain. How are you going to go on TV lying about Bruce Lee. The clips say it all.
9:40 fascinating is how you don't see Vic Moore waking out of the scene after being punched. There was no footage showing him punching and walking away.
I’ve just subscribed, I would love to see you find the two guys that got hit with the one inch punch 🤛. Great content. 🦾❤️
I love your content; you're awesome!! 🥷🏾👍
You gotta interview some ppl about the apologetic letter that Chuck Norris wrote to Bruce Lee where he said he was not ashamed to learn from Bruce and that he thought it was a privilege learning from Bruce. The letter was discovered a few years ago and can be easily found. I wanna learn more about the context of that letter.
Great point. Would love to know more about why Chuck felt compelled to open up and write to Bruce to clear the air.
He’s all mixed up. I saw a recent video where Norris said Lee didn’t use the high kick until he told Lee to use it. But Bruce kicked out a light on the ceiling before ever meeting Chuck on the Green Hornet. Everyone wants to believe that they would have beaten Bruce Lee. Sadly he passed like most great talents. Hendrix ,etc…. Anyway RIP bruce Lee. Legend who’s still talked about today! Some will never pass in that way!
@@326vince I think Chuck became a lot more humble and mature in recent years. I saw a pretty new video that came out only a few years ago in which he said Bruce would've done EXTREMELY well if he competed. His humility in that video made me respect him a lot more.
@@326vincebruce could high kick but bruce lee style at the time was wing chun they don't belive in kicking above the waist chuck encouraged lee to kick above the waist
@@adamnaylor5390 true but he did fight in the streets before coming to America. And I believe that was really when he started to combine styles