Bruce Lee & Gene LeBell "THE LESSON" What Really Happened
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- Опубликовано: 29 фев 2024
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I absolutely agree with your findings that there is no concrete evidence that Gene Lebelle ever taught Bruce Lee judo let alone pinned him down on the floor...furthermore Tarentino is no doubt disrespectful to a man who's name will be forever bigger than his....keep up the good work Stripey we're proud of you ❤ much love❤
Feb 89' "Secrets of the Shoalin Temple" by Steven Barnes details Lee's loss in a real altercation with Lebell on the set of " The Green Hornet". Contact Barnes and ask him what would give him the confidence to put this story in print in a national periodical such as BlackBelt magazine. This is especially more interesting since Ed Parker verified the story also. I also wonder why in after 40 years of reading martial arts publications, neither the Lee family or someone like Inosanto have said this story is false. It is especially intriguing considering to write this story in a Lee fanboy magazine such as BlackBelt would require a real sense of confidence to make this claim. Someone do so real research instead of internet searches and ask Barnes who his sources were.
Wrong Gene admits he put Bruce in a fireman’s carry after a double leg take down, and ran around the set of Green Hornet, there are witnesses
@@DustinBarlow-qo4oy Who are the witnesses? Usually its just Lebell saying this (even though he is lying).
@@ddinks6893 You want witnesses, but when there is a story of Bruce winning a fight, hearsay is good enough.
There is no concrete evidence of Bruce winning any fights either, so I guess you dismiss all those fight stories as well.
Mr Lee was a hundred years ahead of his time.
100% 👍
Facts
I can only go on the facts. And the fact is when Bruce was alive he was harsh honest and direct and everybody else listened or challenged him and got the you know what kicked. But after his death these same people started talking down Bruce that he was alright but…why didn’t they tell him that when he was alive.
What facts have you given there ?? You have said people challenged him and got the you know what kicked out of them !! That is not a fact. It is a story you heard that may or may not be true. Either that or it's something you want to believe happened.
@@stevo62ful The director and co stars of ETD have stated on tv interviews that Bruce was challenged by a lot of stuntmen and extras on that set and he smashed all of them.
Feb 89 blackbelt "Secret of Shoalin Temple column" by Steven Barnes (its online) ......Lebell gets in real fight with Bruce Lee because he wont have his stuntmen do stunts Lee wants.....Lebell takes Lee down and gets him in an jiu-ji gatame armbar.....This is also why Lee has the scene with Saxon breaking the hold in ETD as a sort of defense to it (but far too late) Story is actually verified by Ed Parker who would probably know as well as anyone......what Lebell tells confidants about this incident such as what Stripey describes seems closer to this story.....It seems Lebell shades the truth with outsiders and media....it also makes sense that Lebell is not in any of Lee's diaries because Lee doesnt seem like a guy who is going to train with someone who kicked his ass.
@@ddinks6893 Keep coping in your fantasies
@@oot007 Give me some details ?? Names and credentials of these extras ? how many did he allegedly smash ? I expect details otherwise it will look like you are the one that needs to keep coping with your fantasies.
3:50
This is CLEARLY a promotional rant, and tongue-in-cheek at that.
That’s how I took it
Fantastic . I know ALOT. about Bruce lee and been a fan since I was little . I was born in 1973 just 4 months or so before he passed away. I have always fought and defended Bruce's corner and there are so many people that have told blatant lies and made lots of money doing so off Bruce's back.
Chuck Norris. Gene. And so many people that Bruce regarded as friends turnt out to be total snakes after he died. I'm glad you are helping to put the record straight.
Feb 89 secrets of shoalin temple column by Steven Barnes in BlackBelt Mag details Lee's loss to Lebell in a real altercation. It is online.
Doesn't make it true fanboy
89 crap magazine. Who cares ?
Been aware of Bruce Lee for over 3 decades and have heard a lot... I think your conclusion and insights are correct... Thank you for taking the time to produce the video....
Personally I think Gene would say these things to keep the pennies rolling in but I absolutely do think he was a liar with regards teaching Bruce a lesson, liars are always caught out! Like you said why would that have happened he would have been sacked!!
Great video as always, thanks Stripey x
Thank you fella 👍
Do you also believe Bruce's alleged fights with Joe Lewis and Chuck Norris are lies as well ?
@@stevo62ful The video is about Gene LeBell not the others.
@@BruceLeeArt That's not an answer. You are saying that Gene teaching Bruce a lesson is a lie because there is zero proof. I am saying there is also zero proof of any BL real fight wins. I am asking you if you think those are also lies due to zero proof ??
@@stevo62fulgood point
I think the truth is as you pointed out, Bruce exploded and people saw their chance to up their profile and earn some coin at the expense of Bruce's name. Hell, the man has been gone 51 years this year and people are still doing it, which shows his unbelievable impact. Im still intrigued as to what Tarantinos real problem is with Bruce. Another top video, thanks Stripey...
That first part with tarantino made me laugh really hard, thank you for that.
good evening Stripey Rambles once again bravo for your video, I really like your work. everything and clear with you bravo
Thank you, mate. 👍
Bruce was a legend and I'm sick of people putting him down decades after he passed - i guess they figure it is now safe to do so LOL.
Lol yes. When he was alive, he made chuck norris apologize and admit that he was Bruce's student in front of his (chuck's) own students.
@@alexchen5811 Can you prove that happened or is it one of many myths ?
No one's putting him down. We're putting down his super fans who think he had super human strength and was unbeatable.
MJW makes ridiculous claims too. People criticize him.
But hey, if Bruce Lee was so insecure that he had to beat up people that were skeptical of his abilities, then perhaps he isn't the perfect Messiah you guys make him out to be.
Right, the films he did was groundbreaking for that time, which is a time that didn’t really have any heros. Bruce was super far ahead of his time, and his will was AMAZING. And what makes him a legend, really isn’t his fighting. It’s his wisdom and sense of humanity.
I agree 100% it's easy to talk about a man who has passed he can't defend himself
Listening to all the smack talk Bruce gets after his passing just makes me wish he was still around to defend himself.
Me too, mate 👍
Me too!!!
They won't even think about it, in fear.😂
@@jbdpromil There would be nothing to fear. If someone said to Bruce, "I think you can beat the average guy, but you are not the superhuman that fanboys believe", he would probably agree.
@@stevo62ful yup, he probably would, out of modesty. Muhammad Ali, Jon Jones, GSP etc. trained harder than the "average guys", maybe harder than some "above average guys", therefore they could certainly whoop "these guys" assess. Sensei Bruce may not be superhuman, but he is an excellent martial artist.
Gene LeBell may have been a martial arts expert, but he was also a pro wrestler. And like many pro wrestlers from the old school everything is kept "kayfabe" era, told a lot of bullshit stories to make himself sound good. It's no different than Hulk Hogan, who has made a number of ridiculous claims over the years. Some include:
* Wrestled 400 days a year due to crossing the international date line, which makes no sense.
* Fought PRIDE fighters in Japan in the 1970s, 20+ years before PRIDE existed.
* Claimed Elvis was a fan of his and used to come watch him wrestle for Jerry Lawler in Memphis, Tennessee. In reality, Hogan had his very first pro wrestling match working for Eddie Graham in CWF in Fort Myers, Florida on August 10, 1977, which was only 6 days before Elvis died.
* Metallica really wanted him to be their bass player. This is despite the fact that Hogan was no longer a musician and was already a wrestler working in WWF, AWA, and NJPW in 1981 when Metallica was formed. Oh, and Lars Ulrich says he's never even met Hulk Hogan.
You get the idea.
I think Gene LeBell was no different. In most interviews over the years, he gave nothing but praise to Bruce Lee. The only exceptions are when he's cutting wrestling promos, like at 3:50 in this video, and in the middle of that terrible "I Am Bruce Lee" documentary (where again, he was cutting wrestling promos). He's never told any story about roughing up Bruce in any filmed interview, other than just stating that he'd throw him out the window in the above mentioned documentary. (I know you like that documentary, but it just wasn't my cup of tea.)
In my opinion, as demonstrated 13:35, LeBell tried to make himself more famous off the back of Bruce Lee. Quite frankly, to the general masses, he was a nobody until he became famous for being Rhonda Rousey's trainer. The story about roughing up Bruce Lee on the set of the Green Hornet is something he embellished to the Joe Rogans and the UFC fanboys of the world who all started kissing his ass in the past decade or so of his life. And apparently, Quentin Tarantino is one of Gene's fanboys.
Also, facts are fact. Outside of appearing in a couple of TV shows together, there's no evidence that either trained with the other. And let us be honest, if Bruce Lee actually taught Gene LeBell kung fu strikes, maybe he would have taught them to Rhonda Rousey, and her punches wouldn't have looked like shit. ;)
Even those in the wrestling world believe the Green Hornet story is rubbish. Here are a few clips from Jim Cornette's podcast on the subject:
ruclips.net/video/JCvElv0fbIQ/видео.html
ruclips.net/video/7B0kfrCUYUM/видео.html
Anyway, sorry for the rant. I love your channel, keep up the good work, and I hope you're doing well.
Great episode! Thanks for all the supplied information . Great stuff! Keep up the good work.
Thanks Charles. I just want to get all the facts straight, my friend. There's to much Bulls**t on RUclips about the little Dragon. Thanks for watching 👍
@@StripeyR hahahaha yes escpecially from our friend Beerday! LOL Antime buddy!
@@CharlesDamianoBLC I know mate "Beerdy" what a joke!
Have a great weekend Charles, mate 👍
Thank you for answering the questions that as a Bruce fan I always had on this topic, 100% agree with the conclusions. Very well documented
Again Stripey.... another amazing video. Love the effort you put in for all us Bruce fans. Your channel is me and my brothers first "go to" for a really decent insight to everything on our favourite super actor 🙏
Great video and breakdown! People always try to dine out on greater men’s reputation but no matter what they say or do it will never take away from the Fact that Bruce Lee is the goat in the martial arts world not necessarily as a fighter but as a pioneer, visionary and icon
Outstanding video Stripey. Love this video. I taught Bruce Lee how to irish dance in 1967 and he never mentioned Gene Labele. 😂 Keep up the great work mate!
I wouldnt talk about the guy who kicked my ass either.
I am really impressed with the amount of research you do for your videos. I mean, the fact you found all of the judo masters that Bruce trained with and the dates he trained with them was very cool to hear. You really should do a full, in-depth biography doc of his whole life story with all of the information you are able to scrape up, no matter how long it is (8 hours plus) and post that and I guarantee that will be one of the most-watched Bruce Lee videos on the internet. At least I would love that 😊 Thx for ur hard work on getting the facts!
Bruce Lee tried to be hothead with the wrong guy. Pretty simple what happened here. Feb 89 issue of BlackBelt "Secrets of the Shoalin" column by Steven Barnes. It is online. Lebell tells the media one thing and personal confidantes something else. Bruce Lee fanboys have no problems with stories of Bruce Lee winning fights on film sets, but if he loses fighting on a film set is unprofessional and impossible. Someone tell me how Barne's story got cleared by a Lee nuthugger magazine like BlacBelt without being true. Instead of blathering on about Bennie Dobbins, Stripey should call up Barnes and ask him who his sources were.
Thank you for giving me a resource when I argue this point. I have had discussions with people on line who believed LeBell's account with no supporting evidence. I have made many of the same points in these conversations, mostly about Glover and Nishioka. LeBell was a ruthless self-promoter, a man who built his career on associating himself with martial artists, and wrestlers, with better reputations and skill sets.
Feb 89' "Secrets of the Shoalin Temple" by Steven Barnes details Lee's loss in a real altercation with Lebell on the set of " The Green Hornet". Contact Barnes and ask him what would give him the confidence to put this story in print in a national periodical such as BlackBelt magazine. This is especially more interesting since Ed Parker verified the story also. I also wonder why in after 40 years of reading martial arts publications, neither the Lee family or someone like Inosanto have said this story is false. It is especially intriguing considering to write this story in a Lee fanboy magazine such as BlackBelt would require a real sense of confidence to make this claim. Someone do so real research instead of internet searches and ask Barnes who his sources were.
Supporting evidence is needed when Bruce is alleged to have lost a fight, but if he is alleged to have won, hearsay is good enough
@@stevo62ful To others, maybe, not to myself. I have talked to some of Sifu Wong Jack Man’s students and tried to piece that story together for myself.
Sifu Lee did not make many claims for himself. His fight stories are related by others: Sammo Hung, Dan Inosanto, Jim Kelly, and so on.
fascinating video stripey. keep them coming
Keep these videos coming Stripey your doing a cracking job. Good to see your a listener of the KFG. He has good knowledge and I've been following him for a couple of years. Be sure to listen to his Yip Man and HK stories.
Great video Stripey. I managed to download John Little's pdf. Great read. Thanks for the info 👍
Thanks, mate. It is a great read indeed. I'm glad you got a chance to see for yourself. John Little is the man. Cheers Pal 👍
Feb 89' "Secrets of the Shoalin Temple" by Steven Barnes details Lee's loss in a real altercation with Lebell on the set of " The Green Hornet". Contact Barnes and ask him what would give him the confidence to put this story in print in a national periodical such as BlackBelt magazine. This is especially more interesting since Ed Parker verified the story also. I also wonder why in after 40 years of reading martial arts publications, neither the Lee family or someone like Inosanto have said this story is false. It is especially intriguing considering to write this story in a Lee fanboy magazine such as BlackBelt would require a real sense of confidence to make this claim. Someone do so real research instead of internet searches and ask Barnes who his sources were.
Hi my friend I received ur Bruce Lee package today thank you too much best of luck to u my friend ✌🏽
Excellent, mate. I'm glad it finally got to you.
Cheers Pal 👍
Bruce Lee and Gene Lebell practiced together and exchanged ideas during joint training sessions. Bruce Lee was inspired by judo's grappling techniques, such as ground fighting elements.
GR8 review stripey, 💯 agree with you 👍 looking forward to the next vid, excellent channel on Bruce 👌
Hell no!!! Gene did not teach Bruce Lee judo. I’m glad u did this video because there are so much Bull-shit lies about Bruce Lee online. Thanks again!!!
Be fair it's not all bullshit. The Guinness world records are bullshit. The kicking a 700 lb bag to the ceiling is bullshit. The fights with Joe Lewis, Chuck Norris and others are not necessarily bullshit, more like unproven myths.
Great episode Stripey. Very educational. Thank you. 👊🏻☯️🐉
This was pretty interesting.
Thnx for uploading this, never even occurred to me that there's actually no photos of Bruce Lee and the Godfather of grappling. Huh
I concur. Always look forward to your Brucey rambles.
Thank you 👍
stripey these people are all after the fact,angela mao and bolo yeung REALLY knew bruce and have never made any outrageous claims.
Neither has Yeun Wah, Sammo or Jackie (as far as I'm aware) Cheers Pal 👍
Thank you. Very informative, I’ve gain some much needed clarity. Gotta check out his diary.
Great in depth analysis ❤
Great research once again!!
Stripey Remember Bruce fought Judo Gene in an episode of Ironside maybe 1968-69, Now maybe he let Gene do some of the fight choreography as respect Bruce being very respectful of his elders, and Gene is getting confused about teaching him Judo. Great episode keep it up.
This was greatly put together and a testament to true historical detail and research vs People just talking out their self narrative arses Like Quinton did. Well said Stripey.
Holy shit...Great Video!!
Another excellent and informative video mate the only time I saw Gene le bell with Bruce was the green Hornet episode and Ironside tagged for murder episode.i think le Bell was full of it mate .all the best Pete
Cheers, Bud. There the only images I can find "screenshots" from both shows, nothing else. If anyone would have a picture of the two of them, It'd be you, mate.
Thanks again 👍
Thank You 🙏
Stripey great content mate they all wanted to be associated with the little dragon because its plain and simple he was the best
Thanks fella. It does seem that way. He was the best 👍
Hi , Stripey , I have been a Bruce Lee fan for 50 years , anyway , they brought Gene on the set because he could react to Bruce's screen punches and kicks. I read about that many years ago and your channel is great , keep up the good work.
Bruce Lee doesn't just defeat opponents with physical strength but also with intelligence and strategy. He always grasps the essence of every situation and exploits his opponent's weaknesses to the fullest. This demonstrates that martial arts isn't just about physical strength but also about intellect and strategy.
You have obviously seen real fights of Bruce to know all that. Which ones did you see ?
Thank you Bud.
Straight back at cha Pal 👍
@@StripeyR 🤝
How many people have been led to the martial arts by Bruce lee? What a legacy!
Around 2006 I trained with a gentleman named Larry Beebee (may not have spelled that right) and he trained with Gene at his school in North Hollywood. Larry told us the story that Gene told him about Gene lifting Bruce up in the air and refusing to let him down. He also mentioned that Gene said that Brandon Lee was in fact alot quicker and stronger than Bruce. Not sure if this is true but thats the story we were told. My cousin did go train with Larry at Gene's school in North Hollywood along with Gokor. Dont know if the story is true but did catch my attention 😬
As usual great video - thank you. I have read and seen stories on this Gene VS Bruce thing. I think you are right, it never happened. It shows the character of the person trying to make their name bigger by using a Legend to prop themselves up.
Well maybe Steven Seagal was right when he called Gene a pathological liar
Judo Gene LeBell was and still is the man. R.I.P. Gene 😢
Well said Stripey
Perfectly timed Stripey. Just got my girls to sleep. I think we can all see Gene was full of it. Too many conflicting stories and ZERO proof. Let me know where I can pick up a copy of your nunchaku book. Looks great 👍 Have a great weekend buddy - Antony
Thanks for sending me the PDF, mate. I think we are on the same page on this subject.
The book 😆
You to have a great weekend, bud. 👍
@@StripeyR my pleasure mate. Glad it helped 👍
What about Bruce's alleged fight wins that are conflicting stories with zero proof ? Do you also disbelieve those too ?
@@stevo62ful what fights you talking about??? Any one from the GH cast and crew apart from Gene ever said this happened?
Feb 89' "Secrets of the Shoalin Temple" by Steven Barnes details Lee's loss in a real altercation with Lebell on the set of " The Green Hornet". Contact Barnes and ask him what would give him the confidence to put this story in print in a national periodical such as BlackBelt magazine. This is especially more interesting since Ed Parker verified the story also. I also wonder why in after 40 years of reading martial arts publications, neither the Lee family or someone like Inosanto have said this story is false. It is especially intriguing considering to write this story in a Lee fanboy magazine such as BlackBelt would require a real sense of confidence to make this claim. Someone do so real research instead of internet searches and ask Barnes who his sources were.
I was obsessed with bruce lee growing up posters and all, I don't like violence or fighting. That's not why I liked Bruce Lee. I admired Bruce Lee because of his discipline discipline. He had superhuman decipline.😊.
Cuidese usted tambien I muchas gracias por la informaciòn ❤
Fantastic 😮
Awesome channel
Thank you 👍
The "I could beat Bruce" trend is coming back in style. The "He was just an actor", "he was only 130 pounds, he'd lose to a heavier guy". It's just a bunch of salty people upset that they're not recognized as the best and still living in the shadow of a man who passed away 50 years ago.
What I make of this is the majority of the tough guys from that era no matter who it was used Bruce's name after he became famous to give them some credibility. Like "oh I knew him from Green hornet and he was thus or that...others like Chuck said " he didn't ever high kick so he taught him that...Now we have Judo Gene "i was brought on to teach Bruce " I don't buy any of it. They used Bruce lee to get themselves over either by teaching him or by grappling him and talking down about him but none of them can admit he would destroy all of them. I lost a lot of respect for tarantino after all that nonsense again he's too important to say..."sorry I never knew Bruce" great vid mate 👍
What real fight of Bruce have you seen, that makes you say he would destroy them ?
Great, vid Stripey. LeBell was cashing in on the success of Bruce Lee. That's what originality will do for ya, mate.
Gene strikes me as the kind of character that never lets the truth get in the way of a good story ☝🏼😌
Same as the Lee Myths then
Well researched and accurate video about Bruce’s background 👍🏻
Bruce Lee tried to be hothead with the wrong guy. Pretty simple what happened here. Feb 89 issue of BlackBelt "Secrets of the Shoalin" column by Steven Barnes. It is online. Lebell tells the media one thing and personal confidantes something else. Bruce Lee fanboys have no problems with stories of Bruce Lee winning fights on film sets, but if he loses fighting on a film set is unprofessional and impossible. Someone tell me how Barne's story got cleared by a Lee nuthugger magazine like BlacBelt without being true. Instead of blathering on about Bennie Dobbins, Stripey should call up Barnes and ask him who his sources were.
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@@ddinks6893lmao😂 what is this ridiculous comment.
@@ddinks6893go and get that gene labell poster and put it on your ceiling so you can see it first thing in the morning when you wake up 🤣
Stripey with the Hammer of truth
any chance to involve yourself around bruce lee = he was a millionair - athlete - spiritual warrior - great grand master ! the golden dragon of Gung-Fu !
l truly love your show
Thank you 👍
Also when Chuck said that he wasn’t a student of Bruce but they exchange their ideas Bruce called him out and Chuck apologized and told his students that Bruce was his teacher now can you imagine if he heard Gene say that Bruce was his student. My god he would have been at his front steps. I don’t know why these successful adults would lie about something so childish. I guess the ego has landed.
Another great video my friend…. Yeah I smell bullshit too lol I always thought there’s something not right when he told his stories 😂😂 just catching up on your vids … have a great Sunday mate
Fun fact about Chuck saying that he taught Bruce high kicks that there is an old interview of Bruce wearing a tie and a suit doing high kicks dated way before meeting chuck, apparently when you get to the top everyone wanna tag along
He didn't say he taught Bruce high kicks, he said he showed Bruce that high kicks had some value. Bruce preferred low kicks at that time.
@@stevo62ful oh trust me he did say that , look it up , in that video Chuck wearing black standing next to a punching dummy
It s crazy how people try to get credit on behalf if others.
None of these stories about Lee started until Tarantino's film where he was portrayed as a pompous jerk. Then, Tarantino started the rumor about Lee's alleged mistreatment of stuntmen to justify his negative portrayal of Lee.
Great video bro. It’s funny Linda Lee or Dan Inosanto have never mentioned Gene LaBell.
There’s an interview with Bob Wall. All he talks about is Gene LaBelle. It’s a shame how he talks down Bruce’s skills…
I idolized Bruce Lee all my life, and still do. I will say this, the man was gifted by GOD, period!!, Bruce Lee would have been, without a doubt, an incredible Special Forces, Green Beret, whatever, a killing machine, had he gone into the US MILITARY!!. He would have an outstanding career record, not to mention the best instructor for our armed forces!!
I've always thought that if he had lived, after ETD, Bruce could have played a martial artist James Bond character as a recurring movie role.
He'd get higher budgets from American studios and would have had success on the level of Arnold and Stallone. Just a shame we lost him just at the start of his stardom in the west.
@@abc456f NO DOUBT, He would have most likely surpassed Arnold and Stallone. Bruce and Chuck would have made more movies together as well, that would have been PHENOMENAL!!!
LOL
Very well done and great analysis :)! Here are some things about LeBell in general:
Nobody, i repeat NOBODY from the Green Hornet crew, be it leading actor Van Williams, leading actress Wende Wagner, producer Charles Fitzsimons or even Stunt Chief Bennie E. Dobbins, ever mentioned this "LeBell took Lee over his shoulder" thing.
Only LeBell claims it in his own 2003 published Bio, and everybody can read it there. And of course LeBell told that story everyone who wanted to hear it.
Fact is Bennie E. Dobbins died in 1988, and only after he died LeBell claimed "Dobbins called me up to teach Lee a lesson". Ask yourself why he didnt say it before 1988? Because its a lie and Dobbins would expose it as such in a second.
He was already exposed about other lies. He most probably never choked Steven Seagal out, and there are also zero witnesses about his so called fight with American Football Legend James Nathaniel "Jim" Brown.
Here on the YT Channel "Viking Samurai", two first hand witnesses, Stunt Chief Conrad Palmissano and Stuntman Steven Lambert, said LeBell never choked Seagal out. Seagal suckerpunched LeBell in the groin, yes, and they both felt to the ground, but there was no choke out.
And even if its very hard for LeBell's fans, i cant confirm it nor i can say its not true, but Seagal said in an interview here on YT some of his japanese friends checked out any Kodokan, Budokan, Judokai etc to find out if LeBell has a black belt, and they couldnt find a single one.
One of the guys even came back and said LeBell never studied the original japanese art of Judo (founded by Jigoro Kano), but some american version of it, not Jūdō but Judo (watch the spelling!).
Jūdō is the original art from Kano, but in the USA there is Judo. Its an American version of it, but they promote their practitioniers differently.
I cant go to Japan and check it out, but fact is the Kōdōkan is the headquarter of Jūdō worldwide. And if no Gene LeBell, or Ivan LeBell, or Ivan Gene LeBell is listed there, then he indeed never archived a real black belt, or even 10th degree red belt which is the highest rank in Jūdō.
Any 10th degree red belt is listed there.
LeBell was in 1 episode of TGH, and it was Episode 11. He was never credited in any cast (including IMDB) being either in more episodes or being involved with choreography or what ever for some episodes. According to IMDB, he was in one episode. He is only credited as "Henchman" and "Stunt Performer" in one episode, nothing else. A year later he was indeed a "Stunt Coordinator" in the movie "The Happiest Millionaire".
Buttom line:
Ask yourself the 100 million $ question: Why did LeBell never made these comments about being Lee's grappling teacher, or picking him up on the set of Green Hornet, during the time Dobbins was still alive?
Ask yourself why?
It's the same with Seagal: He claims for years he met Lee in Jim Coburn's house around 1970/71, when Steven was only 18/19 yeras old.
Coburn died in 2002, and you wont find any record of Seagal claiming that pre 2002 when Coburn was still alive.
Why?
Then a video emerge which was recorded around 1986/87 when Segal was according to the narrator 34 years old, and Coburn states:
"About 3-4 years ago, i met Steven Seagal. We became very close friends."
3-4 years ago means around 1982-1984. So how could Steven met Bruce at Coburn's house around 1970/71, when Coburn himself stated he met Steven around 1982-83?
Contradiction after contradiction after contradiction after contradiciton.
Bring all of this to a court room with judges and jury, and the outcome most probably would be:
- LeBell never was Lee's grappling teacher (0 witnesses he was)
- LeBell never took Lee over his shoulder on the Set of GH (0 witnesses he did)
- LeBell never choked out Seagal (0 witnesses he did, to the contrary)
- Seagal never met Lee (timeline doesnt match)
And maybe LeBell never studied the real japanese art of Jūdō which was founded by Jigoro Kano, but he ran around his whole life calling imself "Judo" Gene LeBell.
Thanks, fella. You make some excellent points.
Cheers Pal 👍
Thx :)! Here is more, i guess many ppl dont know about it:
After watching a video about the Tarantino claims from Viking Samurai with Hollywood stuntman George Pogacich again, maybe the true story about Lee and LeBell was completely different, or at least it makes the most sense from all: LeBell proved actually he was lying, because the real incident took place during filming "Ironside" and not "The Green Hornet".
Pogacich has first hand informations about the Hollywood stunt scene since he is a well known stuntman, and he stated LeBell's original story was he took Lee over his shoulder while they were doing a stunt together, that's all.
Watch the two in "Ironside", there is actually a fight scene in which Gene's character "karate student" takes Bruce's character "Leon Soo" over his shoulder, but Leon comes back to his feet and kicks Karate student to the floor. You can find the scene here on YT ("bruce lee ironside").
This incident completely matches what Pogacich and LeBell described, but first of all it wasnt a fight, second it was done during filming a scene when karate student had to take Leon Soo over his shoulder, and third it had nothing to do someone [Bennie E. Dobbins] called up LeBell to teach Lee a lesson or what ever, that was all fabricated nonsesnse and lies by Mr. LeBell (RiP!).
The fact alone that LeBell stated it was during "Green Hornet", when in fact it most probably was during "Ironside", shows you Ivan Gene LeBell changed many things. And the reason why LeBell said it was Green Hornet is simple:
Because Lee was there for nine months and 26 episodes, while Ironside he was only in 1 episode, so the story about: "The stuntchief Bennie E. Dobbins called me [Gene] up to teach Bruce a lesson" wouldnt have worked. Lee's appearance in "Ironside" was only 2 minutes or so, and i am sure he filmed that scene in 1-2 days. And Dobbins wasnt even involved in "Ironside".
So it seems very likely Lee and LeBell had this one shoulder throw scene in "Ironside", and one little scene in "The Green Hornet", there was no call from Dobbins, there was no "teaching him a lesson", there was no "student-teacher relationship" between them afterwards.
Things like that are comon in other cases:
JKF Assassination:
Witness Lee Edward Bowers:
Shortly after JFK was assassinated, there was a witness name Lee Bowers. This guy was asked by the police if he saw someone on the picket fence, the so called "grassy knoll", and he said no.
In the months and years later he said he saw guys there, then they had guns and rifles, then he saw a puff of smoke, etc.. His story became bigger and bigger.
Judyth Vary Baker:
This woman suddenly appeared in the 80s and claimed she was Lee Harvey Oswald's girlfriend from summer 1963 until November when Oswald was shot by Jack Ruby two days after the JFK assassination.
It's strange to me how many fans and supporters she have. Many ppl in the JFK assassinatio take that woman serious. She even wrote a book "Me & Lee" in 2011. Sure she worked in the same building as Oswald in the summer of '63, but there is nothing else.
I highly doubt she ever met Oswald, but like i said there are many ppls who buy her story.
You find things like that in many other cases too. Some people met someone famous for one moment, or worked in the same building or what ever, and then they claim they had an affair with him (Judyth with Oswald), or was the grappling teacher (LeBell-Lee), etc.
Pogacich's version sounds the most logical from all when it comes to Lee and LeBell.
And in the end, I wouldnt be surprised if Ivan Gene LeBell and Bruce Junfan Lee saw each other on these two occasions, never again afterwards, and LeBell stretched the story over the years.
And i would also be not surprised if Judyth A. Vary Baker and Lee Harvey Oswald never met each other.
The idea that Bruce & Gene may have not actually trained together is an interesting possibility to me, you certainly make a valid point in saying there doesn't appear to be any actual evidence (photographic, training diary, etc.) of it having taken place, but ... hasn't Dan Inosanto said something to the affect of "I could tell when Bruce had been training with Gene because he (Bruce) would want to practice submission holds on me out of the blue"? I can't remember where I read that (how many interviews/magazine articles with Dan have there been? More than I can recall), but I do remember reading some quote like that from Dan, & if I recall correctly he, Larry Hartsell, & even Brandon trained with Gene at least a little later on. I do think Dan would be a good person to ask about whether or not Gene "taught Bruce Lee grappling".
As for Gene's story of his first meeting with Bruce, Gene having been a "story teller" (though I don't consider him a flat out liar in the same league as Steven "Bruce Lee & I had sons the exact same age!" Seagal or Bob "Bruce & I actually filmed parts of that locker room fight together" Wall), it seems difficult if not impossible to tell how much if any of that particular tale is true. Sad note, it seems like no likely witness is around any more to tell what they might've seen, Van Williams, Wende Wagner, Bennie Dobbins (hope I got that name right), they're all gone.
Feb 89' "Secrets of the Shoalin Temple" by Steven Barnes details Lee's loss in a real altercation with Lebell on the set of " The Green Hornet". Contact Barnes and ask him what would give him the confidence to put this story in print in a national periodical such as BlackBelt magazine. This is especially more interesting since Ed Parker verified the story also. I also wonder why in after 40 years of reading martial arts publications, neither the Lee family or someone like Inosanto have said this story is false. It is especially intriguing considering to write this story in a Lee fanboy magazine such as BlackBelt would require a real sense of confidence to make this claim. Someone do so real research instead of internet searches and ask Barnes who his sources were.
If gene got he's hands on Bruce Lee he could have won but that's HIGHLY unlikely Bruce Lee would be way to fast for gene in a real fight gene would not be able to get he's hands on Bruce
Gene was a well know practical joker & "storyteller"...
Without the presence of clarification of these missing rumors and given the intelligence of Bruce Lee and his quest to be in films, why would Bruce do or say anything to damage his reputation as a martial artist or his business as a martial arts instructor? If he had such a bad reputation why would he have been invited to demonstrate his skills at official venues? There is a lot here that doesn't make sense.
this is the best clip about this guy . thanks for this 100 procent this is super.
Gene is talking shit.
I have to give you credit for this video. It's excellent because it is objective. Gene said this. Quentin said that. Everybody said something, but where's the proof?
Nobody know the truth and people forget that everyone lies or has omissions of memory that they try to fill in.
The late Van Williams did confirm in an interview (that can be found here at RUclips) that Bruce Lee, did in fact, accidentally injure stuntmen on the set of The Green Hornet due to his inexperience at doing fight scenes.
Remember that Lee, up until that time, had only started in dramatic movies in Hong Kong and was not used to staging fight scenes where you can miss hitting someone by a mile using camera angles. Unknowingly, Lee was connecting with the stuntmen.
Also Lee would kick or punch fast which is unnecessary for screen fighting because the film is moving only at 24 frames per second. This did not allow stuntmen to react properly, and was a blur on playback. While it might be true that he was asked to slow his movements, this is not a metric of superhuman speed. Any competent martial artist, boxer, or athlete could punch too fast for film stock that was used in the day. It's more common to slow down movements, or to "undercrank" the camera.
The "lesson" Lee was taught on The Green Hornet is also talked about in the Van Williams interview and it was Dobbins relinquishing control of fight choreography and 2nd unit action directing to a very overconfident but inexperienced, Bruce Lee. But I'll let anyone interested hear it for themselves by searching and listening to the Van Williams interview here on RUclips.
Great video! ...I may need correcting here but 30yr ago I heard Bruce was taught a bit of judo from the guy who is one of the villains in: 'The fist of fury'. He is the Japanese gentleman who fights Bruce with a sword and ends up with it in his back.
Yes that’s true, Bruce learned a bit of judo from Fung Ngai (the dojo head with the thick glasses) at the YMCA in Hong Kong. Later he would learn a spot more from Fred Sato in Seattle.
Fung Sifu even said something to the effect that when he taught Bruce judo in his younger years, Bruce was just a beginner. However, when Bruce return the Hong Kong later to make those films, he claimed that Bruce had “surpassed him“. I don’t believe this meant in judo I think this meant in martial arts in general. In any case it was a very sweet compliment.
@@TheKungFuGenius Yes, he probably alluded to the fact that getting close enough to grapple Bruce was not an easy feat. I'm certain Bob Wall also said how unbelievably strong Bruce was in a grappling range. (This question was asked relating to when Bob grabs him in 'Way of the Dragon' and Bruce instantly outmuscles him).
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I believe Bruce Lee did talk with Gene about martial arts and methods, but I don't believe he could hurt Bruce Lee or touch him. Bruce was way to fast, they might have had a few exchanges during the filming of the tv show's they filmed together, but I believe Gene learnt more from Bruce Lee than Bruce did learn from him.
I think Gene and Bruce trained together and exchanged techniques. However, if they had a judo match, Le Bell would have ragdolled Bruce. Gene was huge compared to Lee.
This stuff about Bruce hitting the stunt when I first heard this I immediately recalled how years ago when Bruce was making his Golden Harvest movies in Hong Kong. The stunt men encouraged Bruce to make contact to make the scenes very realistic. Of course Bruce was concerned about this but the stunt men insisted. So could he have continued this when he was shooting the Green Hornet? It’s possible. But not out of disrespect for the American stunt men. Bruce respected Athletes. But he wouldn’t be disrespected.
Gene was said to teach Bruce stunt fighting that I believe was the deal
Gene died just a few years ago and nobody ever called him a liar when he was alive. Wonder why? Interesting to me is people calling out Gene Lebell as a liar and yet Jim Kelly whose story is shady AF is telling the Gospel truth. Half the time people are trying to claim Bruce was a violent asshole beating up stunt men on sets other times they were all sitting around holding hands.
Kelly only knew Bruce for 6 weeks while filming in HK for the majority of that short time, so the only prominent martial artist that Jim could have seen with Bruce was Bob Wall. The fanboys want to believe that Jim saw Bruce beat Lewis, Norris etc., even though the chances he ever saw them together are very slim.
@stevo62ful didn't Kelly just say he saw sparring one time and he looked untouchable, he never said he was untouchable, I think Kelly was trying not to tell to much of the truth, to not hurt Bruce's imagine like Joe Lewis did about hitting like a heavyweight, try and keep the myth alive, my opinion 😅
@@guts7958 Kelly did say that...the problem was he only knew Bruce briefly after meeting him on the set of Enter and the timelines dont match. He also was very vague about what he claimed he saw and offered no confirmation and couldnt name anyone. It appears Kelly was trying to attach himself to Bruce and since he was a co star in the movie he had an interest in the myth.
@cuzz63 I know he said he looked untouchable, but I was saying he seemed like he knew it was a myth, but just wen along with it
@@guts7958 ok, I read your post wrong.
What you know about chuck Norris and Bruce Lee sparing? And the letter Chuck wrote to Bruce.
Nothing new. Bruce Lee once said during an interview with Black Belt Magazine. He said that there are many professionals martial artist who are stronger than me, but there was no one who was stronger than me in artistic martial movements. He did not hide this information, for which he is respected.
They made it like a salesman trying to sell you the best made car. As they advertised themselves, there are lies and jealousy towards Bruce Lee... even today ...
Its very easy to say things ,when the only other person who could back you up is dead ,
Unfortunately people have a perseption that martial arts like karate ,kunfu ,and even tykwondo ,they only know how to punch and kick ,many martial arts have grapling and close fighting techniques,you dont see in competition or films ,judo is a fairly modern martial art ,wich was chosen over Jujitsu for the Japanese armed forces ,
Considering Bruce lees interest in Western boxing ,it is foolish to think he wouldnt of known or studied judo before the late sixties
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Quenten is a Cop hater. he is full of it
Feb 89 blackbelt "Secret of Shoalin Temple column" by Steven Barnes (its online) ......Lebell gets in real fight with Bruce Lee because he wont have his stuntmen do stunts Lee wants.....Lebell takes Lee down and gets him in an jiu-ji gatame armbar.....This is also why Lee has the scene with Saxon breaking the hold in ETD as a sort of defense to it (but far too late) Story is actually verified by Ed Parker who would probably know as well as anyone......what Lebell tells confidants about this incident such as what Stripey describes seems closer to this story.....It seems Lebell shades the truth with outsiders and media....it also makes sense that Lebell is not in any of Lee's diaries because Lee doesnt seem like a guy who is going to train with someone who kicked his ass.
One other thing. If he liked Gene and if they were freinds then how come Bruce never put Gene in any of his movies. He didn't give him any part in anything he did.
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Like Bob i find it hard to believe a lot of what Gene says. 😂
Gene was a Pro wrestler for a LONG time. He was always "working" people. Just watch Gene's mannerisms when he talks. You can kind of tell that he's goofing around. That's why he was never consistent with his Bruce Lee Stories. He was constantly making them up to get a reaction out of people. Look for the difference in his mannerisms when he compliments Bruce and then when he was saying that Rhonda could beat him. It's like watching two different people.
Think of it this way, have you ever heard a Hulk Hogan interview where he isn't lying his butt off. The only difference between the two is that Gene knew he was working everyone. Hulk isn't. He actually thinks that he's telling the truth despite that he never tells the same story in the same way twice...Brother...
I have actually heard that Tank Abbot is always working people too. Remember when he said he wanted to fight Rhonda Rousey and beat her and afterward he'd make her make him a sandwich. He was working people to get a reaction. I thought that it was hysterical when he said that.
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I think if there was any proof of this happening then surely Van William's would have mentioned it in atleast one of his many interviews. Whether he was a witness or atleast heard about it. 😂
Tarantino’s reasoning for bringing Gene LeBell to ‘teach Bruce Lee a lesson’ makes absolutely NO sense from a professional, production, and business standpoint. If a stuntman injuries a star or co-star of a production ON PURPOSE-what do think would happen to the stuntman/fight coordinator? Tarantino just doubling down on him saying his Bruce Lee character in Once upon a time was what Bruce Lee was really like. Ridiculous.
Me personally I do not believe Chuck Norris taught Bruce Lee high kicks, when Bruce Lee already know how to do high kicks. I feel Chuck Norris and others claim that they taught Bruce Lee to put their name out there. What people should do is just tell the truth. Of course in this society that is too much to ask. And according to what I have read the stuntmen couldn't keep up with Bruce Lee's movements because Bruce Lee was so fast. So Gene LaBelle was bought in to work with Bruce Lee because Gene LaBelle could keep up with Bruce's movements. Gene LaBelle was the only stuntman that could keep up with Bruce Lee while the other stuntmen could not. Don't know if it's true or not like I said according to what I have read.