Well, fortunately for him and everybody else, he fought his fanboy instinct and didn't start a childish argument with Tarantino, losing the audience and Tarantino's respect in the process.
Mac its alright, a 130 pound movie star couldn’t beat up a much larger fictional protagonist green beret. That doesn’t mean enter the dragon wasn’t a good movie.
I feel like if Bruce Lee was alive, he would be secure enough to not make a huge deal about a movie that honestly is the worst movie Tarantino ever made.
pretty much right!? He had his flaws. The 30 for 30 showed me he died a little different than I believed as a kid. But yeah that is about the way you would expect Steven Segal and his skills to be portrayed.
@@admaanhason7410 Bruce Lee was a real martial artist! A philosopher and an actor! He is considered to be the pioneer for what was to become MMA later on! He taught students in martial arts before and after he became an actor! Created a new style of fighting and broke all taboos that were pretty much keeping martial arts in place until then making it possible to advance martial arts in effectiveness. Donny Yen is another actor who is a real martial artist and knows the art of Bruce Lee. Once Donny Yen had a fight with 8 guys in a bar and sent them all to the hospital and he is not even a fraction of Bruce Lee. Enough with this idiotic way of thinking. Just because someone is an actor doesn't always mean everything is an act! To give you more examples Mayim Bialik who plays Amy in the Big Bang Theory is an actual neurologist with a phd in the field! Dolph Lundgren is a black belt in karate and he is also a chemist! Chuck Norris karate world champion. I could give you more but you get the gist...
“Hey Jamie clip him saying that, post it, and then pull that shit up of him saying it and me telling you to post it and pull it up... It’s time to get meta in this son of a bitch. Damn this weed is good.” - Roe Jogan
Of course Brad Pitt beat Bruce Lee. He used to have his own fight club in a restaurant basement (I shouldn't talk about that) and he was the Irish gypsy fighting champion.
wel bruce had multiple gyms where he tought jet kun do the man developed his own fighting style and he was never beat by annyone,brat pits charc cant say that can he. and its not just that bruce never got beat no1 ever came even close.
Quentin was talking a lot of bullshit then. Bahahahaha if they were in. the jungle man! WTF you on about QT. Love the guy but doesn't know whats up. Bruce Lee wasn't even in Tournaments lol
I definitely picked up the same vibe, especially when he almost cut off Tarantino to chime in. He was itching at the bit to defend Lee a bit but decided against it.
Rogan decided it wasn't worth it because he realized that it's QT and that Tarantino has done his homework on Bruce whereas Joe hadn't. Not many movie makers research more than Quentin when it comes to his movies and the who's and what's going on in them.
I'm friends with Chuck Rohr. He was Robert Conrad's stunt man for Wild Wild West. They were friends. Chuck says Conrad NEVER did his own stunts, the producers wouldn't let him. Chuck's a little hurt because Conrad himself started the myth that he did his own stunts. Chuck's in his 80's now, he lives in Mt Dora, Florida.
I'm not going to lie , i thought you were just another random internet comment. But you actually check out and legit! Can you please share us some more light? maybe an incident that happened that made your friend chuck say this?
@@dhavs8192 I have coffee with Chuck most mornings at our local McDonald's in Mt. Dora, Fl. He reminisces about his past, he's done a lot of different things including his stuntman profession. We talk about it fairly often and if you're in the area, stop by and say hello.
Goes to show you can't believe anything. Especially Hollywood. Actors are shameless self promoters. I guess you have to be to make it in acting. Who knows what the truth is in Hollywood.
@@ConAir94 He also fought too. He was literally challenged every day by people of all sizes because he was a small Asian man who made a name for himself as a fighter.
Lol shit i didnt even know cliff was fake until i looked it up, tarantino making up a character based off of stories he heard. Seems about right, because that bruce lee in the movie was not accurate. Theres many real fighters and even kareem who trained and got to know bruce has never said anything bad about bruce. Yes he can be cocky but still he is a real good fighter also, not fake.
It’s well documented that Bruce Lee was an egotist and an A-hole to a lot of people- Tarantino was on point with the portrayal of Lee in the movie, sorry to say. :/
Tarantino: “I’m a little hesistant to talk about this because I don’t want this to be the only thing to be pulled from this show.” Joe Rogan: Right JRE- let's make it a clip!
u come up with that all by your own big boy? or is that someone elses thought repackaged for imaginary clout? jw, cause its obvious, n i dont understand why
@@trope5105 u monitoring the comments big boy? if some1 else posted a similar thought, who would had thunk it? jw, cause it's a free world and i dont understand why an accident is rubbing you so bad
That book is awesome. Get the book and the Audible so you can read along. I think it was Van Williams who, when discussing Bruce hurting stuntmen, said that they had him direct a scene and shoot it the way he liked - tagging the stuntmen. Then they showed him what he shot and he realized that it looked better when the hits didn't land.
3:01 joe wonders why an Asian man living in 50-60s America perspective was... lol I’m sure Americans were welcoming him with open arms and smiles everywhere he went :)
QT's an asshole making shit up. Living in that era was not the greatest for Asians, got it from everyone, until Martial Arts hit in the 60's. Then it became fashionable to partake in Asian culture. Then whispers of Kung Fu came about, but it was not taught to anyone except Chinese & was not available. Then Green Hornet came followed influx of HK films increased their appetite. Then the Bruce Lee films came and that made the Asians so proud of their heritage instead of trying to be invisible. Amazingly some people just stared at me when I walked in. Their question was, "Do you know KungFu?"
“ I’m hesitant to talk about this because I don’t want this to be the one thing people pull from this show” Joe uploads a small clip of this one thing. 🤣😂😭
It's a long story and many of you won't believe me anyway. My father trained with Bruce and he always said to me that Bruce was very arrogant. A better word used today would be "cocky". He always treated his students with respect, but if he was challenged or had to demonstrate his talents. Bruce would get very cocky. My father passed away last August and the first thing I asked my mother for was my fathers picture with Bruce Lee, and a membership card from the school signed by Bruce Lee.
@@cornergarageproductions9182 , meaning that to explain how everything came about would be a long story. I could name places, dates and people to help people believe my story. But that would make it too long. That's why I said it was a long story.
I love that scene so much. From a storytelling scene it tells us two things: This isn't "our" history. It's a dark fairy tale like the title suggest. Two, it tells us what we need to know about Cliff. Even if we're upset as Bruce Lee fans, we subconsciously believe that if he can go toe to toe with him, Cliff's a badass. This scene literally sets up the entire last act and a half of the film.
He can't go toe to toe with him though. It's total BS. Bruce is actually faster than what was depicted in the film. Tarantino literally made Bruce look like a clown
lmao you're living in fantasy land but you know maybe bruce lee could dodge a lightning strike because he was so fast. maybe he was fast enough to never get hit. maybe he was fast enough to do parlour tricks and never take part in a real fight @@martinigasolini4062
@@martinigasolini4062 As Tarantino has said, if he decides that Cliff can beat up Bruce Lee, then Cliff can beat up Bruce Lee. Bruce is a real person, Cliff is a Hollywood fiction. Of course he can beat up Bruce Lee, because he isn't operating within reality. I don't even understand what you are talking about. The Bruce Lee in the movie could have been twice as fast, twice as strong, twice as smart and so on as the real Bruce Lee and Cliff would have still beaten him, because that is how it was written. You are not, to my mind, making any damn sense. To me it sounds like you are just going: This is BS, no one can beat up my childhood hero!
@@RandyFromTheMarsh maybe he's not wrong. He didn't mention a specific top UFC....i mean a RUclipsr with an inflated ego fucked up a top UFC fighter sooooo...😂😂😂
It kinda sucks that Jaime or whoever decided to pull this clip for RUclips. There was so much more interesting stuff in this interview, prob my favorite since the Spotify nightmare began
Pretty sure that everyone that’s on the Bruce Lee side of things can’t stand what QT has to say. If this topic was never discussed, literally no one would watch any of the interview.
@@mikobel7131 The people getting all mad at QT and trying to cancel him for his portrayal of Bruce clearly don't know much about film history and also have not watched enough Hong Kong martial arts films from the 70s to know just how much the very same industry that made him into a legend would go on to exploit his legacy and make a complete mockery of Bruce all for a quick buck, there was a genre of Kung Fu movies called Bruceploitation where Hong Kong and even some Hollywood directors would cast stunt men who kinda looked like Bruce in films and market them as authentic Bruce Lee films after his death....not to mention how he was made into a caricature in an episode of Dragonball where Goku beats him up, in many video games like Fei Long in Street fighter, Law in Tekken and even Donnie Yen from the Ip Man films made a movie recently called Enter the Fat Dragon where he plays an overweight caricature of Bruce Lee....so these Bruce Lee cultists who outraged at QT should go do a little bit of research, their god has been mocked many times before you're just not aware of it....I'm a huge Bruce Lee fan myself but fuck do some people worship him to the point of it being a religion where they make him out to be some kind of flawless super human when he didn't even view himself that way nor did he make all the claims that people make of him
@@cyborgchicken3502 this has nothing to do with being a cultist. It’s about portrayal of an icon that, to your point, launched an entire industry of film in his image. Albeit a strong portrayal/caricature. I don’t know who QT talked to but he basically ignored people that was in Bruce Lees circle and knew him best. Yes, the movie is fictitious but just because you can do an asshat portrayal of him doesn’t mean you should. QT dug in on his belief that Bruce Lee is an ahole no matter what people tell him. Even when his family tells him that what he did was shitty.
Quentin: The reason why I didn't want to talk about it is so that someone doesn't just take THIS and make a thing out of it. Joe: Jamie, crop that clip of Quentin talking about Bruce Lee.
The backstory of Cliff is that he fought with the Filipino resistance. I think you should Google that rebel group then watch the end and what Tarantino says about Bruce seeing the stance and realizing what it was. Its for Killing. Not Tagging. If Cliff got a hold of Bruce as a much bigger man and as a distinguished jungle Guerilla warfare combatant with of The most distinguished allied rebel group of world war 2 I'd say it's very plausible if Cliff got a hold of Bruce he would not survive 9/10 times and I love Bruce. Sorry.
In the book, “Bruce Lee” written by Bruce’s first JKD student Jesse Glover he wrote, “Bruce believed that there is always someone who can beat you in a fight if the circumstances are right and that to walk around thinking that you can’t be beaten is a foolish mistake that can end your life. unfortunately, this isn’t a popular concept in the minds of many martial arts people. the path that Bruce followed was to live each day with the knowledge that he could be defeated by an expert or novice at any given time.”
@@sylvester465 khabib, andre ward, Lomachenko when hes not injured, and more impressively, bruce lee who had most american black belt and pro strikers and wrestlers after him especially at a racist time in America and knowing he hadn't been beaten while going around beating teachers in every dojo he got into which was all bare knuckle
I've heard Tarantino's beliefs (and they are like a religion to him because he's a zealot who thinks he's never wrong) about Bruce Lee. I loved his portrayal of Bruce Lee BECAUSE if the real Lee were alive today, he would laugh at the irony of the character. Lee was fascinated with boxing, and stated over and over that a professional boxer would kill him (Lee) effortlessly. Lee loved working with Gene LaBelle because Gene was a master grappler and Bruce wanted to learn as much about it as he could. Lee loved trading ideas and working with all the stuntmen. The only ones he ever fought with were in China because they would challenge him. Here's the ultimate irony: Lee used what he learned in the States to beat the hell out of those Chinese challengers. Every account is how Bruce would tie them up in a clinch (grappling taught by Westerners) and pummel them until they gave up. Tarantino thinks and tried to portray Lee as a man who believed Kung-Fu was invincible and believed he was invincible. The real Lee was eager to learn and recognized the realities of fighting.
@@jonb2756 Both! You are well aware that the movie is comedy right? Bruce learned Taijiquan from his father, WT from Yip Man, was in Taekwondo and boxed matches at School BEFORE he went to the states! So the comment above is absolute Bull like Tarantinos making fun of a dead man is 1000x Bull and UFC fans stating Bruce couldnt fight ia in the same league when Jonny Roid Jones is actually using Bruces JKD knee kick 😂 Only lames diss a dead person and there they are all the same.!
@@jonb2756 well how do you know what the guy or the movie state is real? So you confront me with the logic you dont use for the negative side? Pretty weird! You ll have to ask the schools, dead Yip Man and Bruces dad if they photoshopped their pics before 1970! Very simple dont you think. Thx!
I feel like this interview missed the mark. The controversy wasn't that Cliff hurt Bruce. The controversy was the level to which Bruce was portrayed as an ignorant blowhard.
I think Tarantino is implying his justification for such portrayal by explaining the nature of the characters. He's basically saying, "it's not that he's a tool, but more like a phony, he is no killer and others shouldn't be sucking his dick so much"
Joe turns into Brendan around people he's made fun of when they weren't there, I cringe whenever he has a ex wwe star (undertaker comes to mind), he acts like he hasn't shit on there entire industry a 100 times 🤣
@@Rozza2k He's a professional shit talker, he's talked shit about everyone at some point. Real people can handle that and still converse. Also wrestling is fake.
@@davidmayberry3190 Exactly it's a fake person. This fake person is a killer and can fight. lol people are mad that fake people can win in fake scenarios. lol smh
@@Numenorean921 I mean he was about 135 pounds but jesus a kick in the face in a street fight is a shocking thing to see, I mean you just dont expect it in really life outside a bar etc. Have to give a really good kicker the advantage I think
This reminds me of Bruce Lee killing Chuck Norris in the Way of the Dragon. Made me wonder how Americans viewed him after killing their hero. So I don't blame Tarantino for being a jackass.
@@fatimalobi6382 LOL Way of the Dragon was Chuck's debut in movies. Chuck Norris was a nobody prior to that movie. Nobody knew him or followed him. Bruce Lee launched Chuck's career and made him relevant.
So glad I came across this interview with Tarantino, I always wondered what the actual story was behind the scene where Cliff fights with Bruce Lee, it's the one scene that always sticks out in my head when I first think of "Once upon a time in Hollywood". Some redeeming facts here about Lee and maybe why he was replaced by David Carradine in the series "Kung FU"?
That's crazy! It makes so much sense now! Jackie Chan told the story several times about how Bruce Lee hit him on set and after the scene was over Bruce went up to Jackie and started apologizing like crazy and felt so bad for hitting him! Chinese stuntmen are prepared for getting hit for real by accident, but the difference in culture is that American stuntmen are not prepared to get hit, intentional or accidental. That might be why Bruce was so irritated by American stuntmen is because they complained about it whereas it's in the job description for Chinese stuntmen. You can even watch older movies and see how much of a gap there is between fighting contact in American movies, but a lot of Asian movies you can see the stuntmen or actors actually getting tagged especially when they use the white powder to dramatize the contact effects.
Pretty sure I have heard several interviews of Jackie Chan talking about Bruce kicking and punching a lot of the Chinese stunt people so I could see Bruce being that way in America and not even thinking anything was wrong with it.
No , this is not the whole story , Bruce Lee did fight with other actors and stuntman because those people are bullies , Bruce Lee in real life is a kind person.
The interesting state of stuntmen in America, vs stuntmen in China, is wholely due to standards in cinema built up over the years. Can't remember if it was Buddy Holly (edit: wasn't Buddy Holly, memory somehow blurred his name over Buster Keaton for all the insane stunts he pulled back in the day, *LOOK HIM UP SOME TIME!),* or an even older actor (after silent movies, but before movies in color), but there was a scene where the actor (playing a bank robber) rounds the corner and narrowly avoids a hail of bullets from the police, as they shoot up a wall right beside him. It goes off less than a foot away from his face, and it was done before "special effects" were really a thing, so it was _actually someone firing a tommy-gun at him!_ Needless to say, the actor wasn't thrilled. They tightened up on safety regulations, for the protection of both actors and stuntmen. I'm sure, as the way these things go, it started off light and got more strict along the way, but by the time Bruce Lee came over to start working (China doesn't have the same rules in making movies) he probably looked at what was required of himself, as a stuntman, and what American stuntmen are tasked with doing, and found the comparison as a sort of, *"IN **_MY_** DAY,* we had to walk *FIVE MILES* in the snow for a stuntman job! *UPHILL! **_BOTH WAYS!"_* Jackie Chan tells a story from his stuntman days back home. He was hesitant to raise his hand for a scene where they needed a bunch of dudes to ride horses for a shot. Everyone but him rides off, and a few minutes later just the horses came back. When he looked, it was just a field of dudes laying in the field with broken arms and legs. I don't agree with Bruce, but I understand how he developed such a high standard for being a stuntman. The harder they go, the better the film looks, and in America (too Bruce), we're like, "Don't actually beat the guy whose job it is to take a beating, in place of the actor!"
@@nicholasmuro1742my memories have bled together terribly, on this one. Not sure why the names were changed, but the actions were the same. I thought Buddy Holly was a big name in actors unions, but I know they began to form in 1913 and did so in the face of thrilling action scenes being *REAL AS ALL HELL!* Dudes actually having guns fired at them, trains barreling down on them, buildings falling down around them. I think Buster Keaton somehow blurred into Buddy Holly, because of all the stunts he did (seriously, check out _any_ of his old works, they are time well spent, and all that he's doing in them is 100% happening , he is in _very real_ danger!!!) But, also, Buddy Holly was an actor AND a singer, unless my memory is failing me once more
@@adityakhandelwal9255 speak to text is amazing. Phone wrote it, I dictated it and then did a terrible job proofreading it. Bro commented about a useless comment on RUclips ☠️
Bruce Lee had Bob Wall strike at him with a broken bottle over and over until he was stabbed in the hand by the bottle and had to stop filming until the wound healed
This reminds me when Joe had Bas Rutten on the show and they were discussing something similar. Bas had remarked that someone had told him that he’d be handicapped in a street fight cause there are no rules. Bas’ response was, “What, you think I can’t fight without rules? If anything, I’d be MORE dangerous.”
@Miguelits Milton Lmao the worst UFC fighter will whoop the best non-MMA trained Navy SEALs’ ass. It doesn’t matter if you’re “militarily trained”, if u have no background in striking, wrestling or submission you’re gonna lose every time.
When did he act like he wasn't though? He has to spell it out for you? Q already seen the episode where joe talks about it. You're confusing you not knowing how to have a conversation with joe lying
@@LookzA him and a schaub debated it, if I remember right joe didnt like the portrayal, Schaub thought it a funny scene, and realistically didnt hurt Lee's image, being such a venerated figure in martial arts.
@@tobe1207 he literally said that he had a huge problem with the scene on a previous episode with Brendan Schaub from about a year ago. I'll find the link
@Shadow Man Because if you're bringing over Chinese to do martial arts in a film where they're KNOWN for a very specific style of combat and engagement, then it's going to be standard for them to employ what THEY KNOW in your film. Otherwise, hire Americans.
@Shadow Man cool. What you said was Bruce should respect the norms of the country he's in. Fair. However, he made movies utilizing a Chinese martial art. And since that aspect of Chinese culture is central to those movies, maybe the people that want to be involved should respect Chinese culture and not cry about it. Otherwise dont take part.
I've also heard that a lot of stunt men in Hong Kong constantly complain about Donnie Yen being arrogant. When it comes to Jackie Chan, Sammo and Yuen Biao I've never heard any complaints about them when they train with foreign stuntmen or stuntmen from Hong Kong.
Quentin is an absolute genius, his work in Movies like “Pulp Fiction” & “Reservoir Dogs” is cinematic genius & will be admired, enjoyed & praised long after Quentin is gone. Quentin is & always will be regarded as a legendary American movie maker.
Interesting breakdown on Bruce's attitude toward stuntman; Jackie Chan was one in Fist of Fury and Chan tells the story of Bruce tagging him and being apologetic over the shot. Jackie Chan has also been critical of Western stuntman; maybe it's a cultural thing.
Those Kung Fu films are crazy though and seems to have very relaxed safety regulations. Corridor crew has done some videos reacting to Kung Fu stuntmen
I think it more of a perfection thing Jackie and Bruce would do take after take to get the scene right American stuntmen back in the day where more of a one take can and lets go to lunch kind of guys. This didn't fly with Jackie and Bruce who wanted a perfect product and who can blame them their work and fight scenes became their legacy so in the long run they where right.
but with Jackie Chan, he literally broke his fucking nose and even Jackie Chan said himself that was the hardest he's ever been hit in his whole career
Tarantino's claim that Lee had no respect for stuntmen runs contrary to the claims of Jackie Chan himself, who stunted on two of Lee's movies. According to Chan, when Lee accidentally hit him for real in a sequence, after "Cut!" was yelled he became very concerned for Chan and literally cradled him in his arms (while Chan, loving the attention, sucked it up and pretended to be more hurt than he was because he was enjoying Lee's concern for him). I'll take Chan's words over Tarantino's on this, since he worked with him. Tarantino also doesn't seem to have done his homework on Lee, basically claiming that Lee was essentially just a tournament fighter who fought in a tournament style with tournament rules when Lee never actually fought once in a tournament in his entire life. He was a streetfighter.
@@darenmcneese8006 but Bruce is American, he was born in San Francisco, works in Hollywood, graduated from Washington State University and married an American woman... He never disliked working with American Stunts, he basically wanted to make some scenes not be so fictional but more realistic as they were in Hong Kong so there could be real hits that some but not all doubles as he was not willing to put up with, but Bruce He was always distinguished by the well-being of the people, a star of action films like Jackie Chan in his beginnings was part of the stunt crew in Hong Kong and was beaten by Bruce Lee, and right after filming the scene he was attended by himself Lee who not only apologized to him but gave him all possible assistance, so that comment is very unfair..... Now, it is not understood why Tarantino says that Lee was in martial arts tournaments, when Bruce, being very young, only participated and won a boxing tournament, yes boxing, in Hong Kong and he only did some martial arts exhibitions but did not participate on a professional level in it to continue focusing more on his acting career and being able to study other martial arts such as kung fu, tai chi, karate and street fighting, so basically he not only studies acting but also becomes a pioneer special of the style of mixed martial arts that exists today in a pro level.... I honestly have a lot of respect for Tarantino, but in this particular case, the scene goes beyond the portrayal of reality with that fake situation scene... Analyzing the scene there are several errors, Bruce never used a flying kick out of nowhere in a sparring test, he was usually too calm in any test, or challenge and did not telegraph his movements at first as it happens in that scene, although it was very challenging with his look, he was not so cocky, he was also too fast, therefore not easy to catch, and not so light despite his appearance when in reality he was a subject with a lot of physical strength, in the case of the scene versus cliff stuntman The most probable thing is that if Bruce knocked him down against the concrete, then in reality he would have knocked out Cliff or left him in a bad condition in his head and Bruce himself would have offered to collaborate, he was not a bullie, because he understood very young by the hard way that being a bullie is stupid and a sign of cowardice and weakness, and even when Bruce filming the green hornet made arrogant comments to sell the character, in his personal life he was someone very focused, even a valid opinion of a true full contact martial arts champion as the great chuck norris has been recognizes how good Bruce was as a martial artist... It's not about idolizing a man who could maybe get differences with others, could have made mistakes and probably had some wrong attitude that wasn't well understood for a while, but in the face of this, Tarantino made a bad move here with arguments mistaken overreaching the staging and forgetting to respect Lee's legacy in martial arts and his contribution to cinema with his ideas creating a new style, catalog or genre in addition to politically breaking racial differences or derogatory comments towards the Asian-American people since then...
@@nicedoppy2077 no one said he disliked Americans but didn't like American Stuntman who werent willing to take the same type of hits as the Asian stuntman. I don't even know if dislike is the correct term. The Asian stuntman were willing to do whatever was needed to make the shot look as good as possible. The Americans weren't willing do take do it
in China, it was expected that the stuntmen took the hit and didn't complain about it whereas in the states, they tried to avoid getting hit if possible. That's why he was tagging them. It's what was expected from the stuntmen in his culture. Jackie Chan talked about it also and how he had to adapt to it bc he use to be a stuntman.
All these complaints about how stuntmen felt is a bit rich coming from Quentin Tarantino. He paid no attention to Uma Thurman's worries about a stunt scene in Kill Bill. He fobbed her off and convinced her he'd ensure it would be safe. But it wasn't safe, and led to a serious car crash. Tarantino endangered Uma Thurman's LIFE, and she's been left with long-term neck and knee injuries as a result of working with him.
@@GMBethHarmon QT isn't complaining, he's explaining his portrayal of Bruce Lee based on Bruce Lee's actual behavior. This comment disproves nothing. It's possible for QT to be a scumbag and be correct about BL being an asshole.
He accidentally hit Jackie Chan who tells about how he ran over to him and comforted him. And it only happened because he moved from where he was told to stay. Tarantino is a piece of shit.
@@sabbracadabra8367 Exactly. Where did he get this made up information? From jealous fucks who hated how great Bruce was. If trashatino had done any research, he would've known Bruce was literally training like a killer.
I have watched 5+ documentaries about Bruce Lee, read 5+ books about Bruce Lee & 5+ books by Bruce Lee. All evidence I have seen in those docos & books supports the major criticisms people have made about that movie scene & about Tarantino's claims. E.g. Tarantino claims Bruce was a competition fighter. In reality, Bruce is famous among martial artists for rejecting competitions as having unrealistic rules compared with full contact sparring without rules. Bruce is famous for having been in many real fights. There is no evidence that anything like that movie scene happened to Bruce in real life - in reality, the evidence shows that by the time Bruce Lee moved (back) to the USA as an adult, he was winning all of his real life fights. Furthermore, Bruce is famous among us martial artists for being all about economy of movement (for maximum speed and minimum telegraphing) in his martial arts (that is one of the principles of Bruce Lee's martial art "Jeet Kune Do"). So, e.g. he would not have done a flying kick. He would have probably done something economical & fast, e.g. kick that Brad Pitt character in the knee or shin and then finish him off with some strikes to the head (perhaps led by an eye gouge, if the opponent was dangerous). So why did Bruce do flying kicks in his movies? Because Bruce Lee's movie performances were NOT about realism, but about showing off to make the fights more entertaining.
I have not watched 5 books about Bruce Lee, 5 documentaries about Bruce Lee and 5 books by Bruce Lee himself... and not being a fan of Bruce Lee I could say that in real life he would never do those flying kicks. That flying kick, especially the second, is very uncharacteristic of him. (He would never do the first one too).
The sad thing was that Bruce Lee could not respond to that controversy. Perhaps Mr Tarantino should learn more about Bruce Lee from Bruce Lee's friends and family.
And it was Cliffs memory too 💁🏽♂️ obviously his perspective is gonna be at least somewhat different from the “truth” in the movie and/or Bruce’s perspective in the movie
@@jdailey01230 not the whole movie but that scene… it starts out with cliff leaving the movie set and going back to Ricks to fix a antenna or satellite on the roof and then he has a flashback to the Bruce Lee incident
For a director and film producer I don't believe Quentin didn't know the difference between American and Asia stunt filming at the time. Asia has a lot more physical contact in their filming to create that realism and most stuntmen and actor accepted and agreed to it. In James Bonds Tomorrow never dies - Michelle Yeoh said in a interview the western producers wanted her to work with her own team because of her former work. The fight scene was more intense than originally planned and they did it in far less takes because the team know and trust each other. Bruce Lee at his time wanted that same impact and effect in his western movies which western stuntmen didn't like or want. A lot of the Asian stuntmen including Jackie Chan who worked with Bruce Lee knew and expected it. If you ever grew up watching 70s, 80s & 90 Asian martial arts movies, a lot had outtakes at the end showing injury's and failed stunts from all members of the team as a way to show the world, "look everyone we did this for you". 😊
Actually he did. Which was the point he was making. Bruce Lee's treatment of American stuntman, who weren't as prepared and trained the way HK stuntman were, shows his lack of concern
Not only that in asian movies the stuntmen would not get paid unless their scene made it past editing n onto the big screen. So they would offer a stuntman $500 let me tag u to make it look good n u get paid from the film studio...so they would do it bcuz thats a guaranteed pay day. Quintin has to know that but wont tell joe to make lee look like a douche.
@@omarlives Not to look like a douche, he just thinks it is being unprofessional. Personally I love Bruce Lee’s movies way more than our Western baloney but eh what are you gonna do. I also find it funny that all of the Stuntmen hated Bruce Lee but is still one of the most well known action stars to this day lolllll.
I always wondered if, when Tim Kennedy was fighting, if any of the fighters he faced looked across the ring and said, this dude could legit kill me in a real world situation
He should've apologized cause in real hand to hand combat with no Madison Square garden rules Bruce was even better he would've killed any ww2 vet or whoever. Bruce was the best Martial Arts expert on the fucking planet QT doesn't know shit
Leyend has it that Quentin Tarantino is still talking (this time all by himself) how Cliff could beat Bruce Lee, Chuck Norris, Muhammad Ali, Mike Tyson, Gregor O'Connor, Superman, all the Avengers, Thanos, Goku, and the bear from that DiCaprio movie where he won the Oscar...
Didn’t know my gay friend wanted me till he came out. Then i beat him and fracture his cheek bone and knock out 3 teeth for winking at me and it’s a “hate crime” i cannot stand this new PC world.
Who else could hear "Holy fucking dog shit man , hilarious , I remember back in the day , a buddy of mine , a coke dealer used to be an asshole too , they're out there Joe " JOE : I came to that realization on dmt , unbelievable .
Great story, but how do you think Bruce would have done against an Olympic wrestler of that time? Mustafa Dağıstanlı was the Gold medalist at 140 lb summer 1960. Dude looks rugged. Chiseled from steel. I think Carlson Gracie was around out then too. Bruce was fun to watch because this Kung Fu lore had become a film genre. No martial artist can jump from table to table and then up onto a balcony 15' above the table (with a sheet metal wobble). But this was the most fun thing they did was stretch reality during the fight scenes. The sound effects were epic. What Quentin did with "Kill Bill" was so awesome in this respect. He sewed all that lore into a great story. I loved the sound effects during the fight scenes. I swear I heard a cheesy bowling pins strike when a table fell in "Kill Bill". That was so cool. I love Pai Mei beating Black Mamba's ass without empathy and then Elle Driver is just so grimy she poisoned his fish heads. "That's right! I killed your master!" And then SNATCH! Daryl Hannah Vs. Umma Thurman's character fight was epic.
@Chris Tasse I'm sure he cares about his characters. A lot. But as insane as Tarantino is, I don't think he actually believes they are real. Or at least I hope not. lol
And for that and a lot more he is a great director, thats why you fall in love with any character of his movies It does not matter whether they are the bad or the good ones, that important portion of realism on his scenes is what makes it magnificent, see di caprio's scene in django for example ppl realize it which is considered one of the best scenes of all time
I like to think that Tarantino's depiction of Bruce is either a "what if Bruce Lee was a jerk" type thing or that we are just seeing things from Cliff's POV (like, in reality Bruce was being nice and Cliff was being an ass but didn't think it was such a big deal so we see his interpretation of the whole thing)
LeBell said, “I went and worked out with [Lee] at his school. I taught him judo and wrestling and stuff like that and some finishing holds which he later worked into some movies, and he showed me most of the kicks and striking which even today I use in the movies. A wonderful, wonderful man and a great martial artist.”
That's what leans me towards thinking he was actually a decent guy, Lebell doesn't seem to me to be a guy that would suffer fools gladly and if Lee had been a dick he'd 100% of said that.
It's pretty common in Hong Kong cinema to actually hit stuntmen for real. Even until very recently. Donnie Yen pays guys extra to let him knock them out for film. KNOCK OUT. Not just hit.
He is a terrible director, Jackie Chan a stunt man who work with Bruce said something totally different, after being hit hard he was very apologetic, which means tarantino has no idea what he's talking about
I can’t overemphasize how much I love Bruce Lee.. Did my media research year-long project on the man in college. That being said, the scene was PERFECT. QT gets it.
It’s a shame the clip ended when it did. When he talked about “cliff” being this ex army killer making it out how he’s kill Bruce was utterly fucking absurd. I really wasn’t to hear what Joe said back to him because it’s clear that Tarantino is very misinformed and uneducated, like a lot of people, about what Bruce was actually doing. He wasn’t doing origami ffs.
I’m not military but I am a Bruce lee fan but don’t take what he said as being far from the truth, the mentality of a spec ops soldier from people I’ve met and studied is not something that even Bruce would want to go up against in a WARTIME setting. it’s not just a mentality of kill or be killed they live that life on a daily basis for years. Bruce would without question be the underdog in a 1v1 wartime situation I’ve boxed and done martial arts for years so it’s not like I’m speaking about something I know nothing about. So don’t pretend that just because soldiers didn’t learn traditional arts that he would roll over any of them. Quite the opposite to be honest.
this whole thing was like listening to the one 12 year old with goggles and a pastel shirt in your middle school talk about how his Sonic OC that he drew on a napkin could totally beat up the Avengers
I've watched quite a few, Bruce Lee interviews. I don't remember hearing Bruce Lee talking negatively about any form of Martial Art or any another Martial Artist.
@@AngryBanan4 Being in front of the camera is irrelevant. This was when the world didn't know much about martial arts so Bruce was introducing it to us. He did talk doen in Japanese martial arts like Karate which makes sense on how he explains it.
Full circle what the white people say is the truth... That is the truth.. I mean there are multiple sources even Americans that say the opposite of what they say he was here... Remember that back then Hollywood was not shy with being Racist.. And everyone who knows Bruce he was a very intelligent and educated man. He even admired Muhammed Ali saying "I've never in my life seen a man that big and heavy (he actually said the right numbers I don't know them :p) that could jump around the arena like that for 15 Rounds and could keep going" Jackie chan tells a story where Bruce actually hit him with a nunsaku in a movie scene and keept on going as a professional and when they yelled cut.. He goes straight towards Jackie chan apologetically. So I mean... I rather believe these other sources than creepy Hollywood people... Chuck norris has also only said nice positive thing about him (his personality)
Quentin is great!He's so knowledgeable about movies,shows and Hollywood in general.Yeah,even though i too,love Robert Conrad from "The Wild,Wild West",I did hear that about him.But in books I've read and seen pictures of him laughing and posing for pictures with his stuntman crew.
"Jackie Chan's Early Role with Bruce Lee" ruclips.net/video/uUs9CsCyLFM/видео.html "Enter The Dragon Stuntman Rue The Day He Challenged Bruce Lee’s Jeet Kune Do" ruclips.net/video/D6KJ7EDrOgE/видео.html This debunks a lot of what Quentin Tarantino said. Bruce looked after his stunt men, even after he beat them up in challenge or accident hurt them during a stunt shot.
@@Sernival Didn't Bruce Lee have to fight at lot of racism in the west? Even after he worked really hard and made name for himself. It was AMERICAN PRODUCERS and Stuntman who apparently stole his idea and show The Kung Fu Show? Imagine having American Producers and American Stuntmen pretend to befriend you to pick your brain for a show pitch, teaching them Eastern Martial Arts and philosophy. When really nobody else would. Only to be backstabbed and idea completely whitewashed with little to no respect the source material and no compensation or credit?
@@terat1227 I think Tarantino's disregard and ignorance about Bruce Lee is to blame. I think it's the other way around - I don't think the American stuntmen respected HIM, this "short, Chinese guy" that no one ever heard of prior to The Green Hornet, and he probably felt he had to earn their respect. Tarantino usually does a lot of research, but he misquotes Polly's book and twists things around. Disappointing, but what can you do?
Really sucks cause I like QT but he really struck a nerve. If he was a fan he wouldn’t have done it. But since he dislikes the Lee family and their version of the story. He goes out of his way to steal from Bruce(yellow jumpsuit) and makes a caricature of his image. While Bruce at the time had to endure racist Hollywood, in the future his family has to endure this. Not standing with QT. I still couldn’t finish the film after the Lee scene. This sucks. I like them both. But I stand with the Lee family. You don’t write the iconic character of Bruce Lee into your film and do him dirty like that. Not just the fight scene, but the way he’s portrayed is disrespectful to any real martial arts fan. F%#! that guy.
Bruce actually fought in gangs growing up with ppl wanting to kill him, and that's exactly why jeet kune do was made, to evolve old gong fu into new world tactics same as BJJ was learned by UFC fighters after they kept getting ass kicked by them, he understood that fighting arts is evolving, just like MMA, so basically he started the first MMA
bruce was a huge liar and couldnt beat wong jack man in a fight. gene lebell manhandled him and then realized he could make more money lying like bruce
Bruce Lee was starred in 20 movies between 8 and 18 ages. His parents had stuff for house work and chauffeured limousine driving, they were rich and very influential in Hongkong. He was chauffeured limousine driving with his sister to and back from school. He went acting school, dancing school, later he also teached people dancing, and of course normal school and also in a philosophy school, where he learned all "" his" famous quotes. He was also short time in a school boxing team, his record was 1 : 2. That's not really talented. And his father brought him with the age of 13 to a Wing Chun school, because he was beaten up from other school kids. And so rich, sissy boy, Bruce was fighting for his live in hard street gangs and against trial killers for survive? Actually by all his activities there were no time to be a passionate streetfighter, also his activities shows straight to another direction.
I used to work in a martial arts gym in England in the 1990’s. The guy who was the gym manager was a former British Judo champion and his big friend from back in the day was another judo legend and television Superstars champion Brian Jacks. Both of them lived in Hong Kong and they both came across Bruce Lee. From what I was told from these guys was that Bruce Lee was a very good martial arts actor and he looked great on film. However, when it came to being a serious martial arts fighter and someone who was going to seriously kick ass it was simply not the case. Bruce Lee was all show and was not respected as a master martial arts fighter.
@@changingslow I can only speculate that he had more respect for the higher level of punishment asian stuntmen performed at. American stuntmen have always been outstanding in their own right but asian stuntmen take it to another level in general.
Which proofs that Bruce also used to hit Chinese stuntmen aswell, not just Americans. He wanted the fights to look realistic. And that is why stuntmen are paid for, btw.
Yeah Jacky was in Enter the Dragon and Fist of Fury. He wasn't beaten up by him. He accidentally caught him and apologised profusely afterwards. Sammo Hung and Bruce had a REAL fight. To this day Sammo wont talk about it
Why wouldn't he? He was a stuntman. He was never a fighter. There is zero fighting in any of his movies they're all stunts. If you tried that for real you'd get killed. And i liked his movies. I don't know him as a person. But i don't like how he appears to be selling out to the CCP but he probably has no choice because he has family in China. I wouldn't blame him for that. If i lived in China i wouldn't oppose the CCP because they'll kill you and not even think twice.
Joe's not fighting Quentin, he's fighting his instinct to tell Quentin about elk meat and TRT.
I could see in his eyes he wanted to tell Quentin about this one time when they brought a baby chimp onto the set of Newsradio.
Every damn podcast....
you mean DMT
@@m4r_art nah TNT
@@indigokiller TNT is good, but it can be better. (DMT)
Joe’s favorite way to disagree with someone without actually disagreeing with them:
“Mmmmm.”
Spot on
Well, fortunately for him and everybody else, he fought his fanboy instinct and didn't start a childish argument with Tarantino, losing the audience and Tarantino's respect in the process.
Mac its alright, a 130 pound movie star couldn’t beat up a much larger fictional protagonist green beret. That doesn’t mean enter the dragon wasn’t a good movie.
I feel like if Bruce Lee was alive, he would be secure enough to not make a huge deal about a movie that honestly is the worst movie Tarantino ever made.
@@Eventual-Visitor The dog turd I just picked up off my lawn has more value than Quentin Tarantino's respect
That last sentence is a hint of his S tier story writing skills
Sounds like Tarantino was describing Steven Segal, not Bruce Lee.
pretty much right!? He had his flaws. The 30 for 30 showed me he died a little different than I believed as a kid. But yeah that is about the way you would expect Steven Segal and his skills to be portrayed.
Not much difference though, both were actors, and that's about it.
@@admaanhason7410 Bruce Lee was a real martial artist! A philosopher and an actor! He is considered to be the pioneer for what was to become MMA later on! He taught students in martial arts before and after he became an actor! Created a new style of fighting and broke all taboos that were pretty much keeping martial arts in place until then making it possible to advance martial arts in effectiveness. Donny Yen is another actor who is a real martial artist and knows the art of Bruce Lee. Once Donny Yen had a fight with 8 guys in a bar and sent them all to the hospital and he is not even a fraction of Bruce Lee. Enough with this idiotic way of thinking. Just because someone is an actor doesn't always mean everything is an act! To give you more examples Mayim Bialik who plays Amy in the Big Bang Theory is an actual neurologist with a phd in the field! Dolph Lundgren is a black belt in karate and he is also a chemist! Chuck Norris karate world champion. I could give you more but you get the gist...
Quentin: I don't want this to be the only thing that people pull from this show...
Young jamie: Well this should be a good clip...
“Hey Jamie clip him saying that, post it, and then pull that shit up of him saying it and me telling you to post it and pull it up... It’s time to get meta in this son of a bitch. Damn this weed is good.” - Roe Jogan
@@dontreadmypicture6766 don’t read into things
lol
@@MrGFloyd DMT*
How long will Jamie be called "young Jamie"? Is there a set date?
Of course Brad Pitt beat Bruce Lee. He used to have his own fight club in a restaurant basement (I shouldn't talk about that) and he was the Irish gypsy fighting champion.
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His name was Jo Po
wel bruce had multiple gyms where he tought jet kun do the man developed his own fighting style and he was never beat by annyone,brat pits charc cant say that can he.
and its not just that bruce never got beat no1 ever came even close.
I love the way Tarantino talks about his characters like they are almost real. It really shows how much he loves and cares about them.
based on real people. so yeah they were real
@@AnabolicPopcornyou don’t get it
Tarantino is dishonest...rewriting history and making the bad guys out to be keystone cop versions of what they really were so the "good" guys can win
@tbewin1 z oh yes I remember in inglorious bastards when hitlers wins and all the nazis won the war
Every writer cares about his/her characters. If not, what's the point of writing?
The inglorious bastards was an absolute masterpiece in filmmaking. The bar scene is on of my favorites of all time
The basement bar?
@@Wh4L205 yes
His only movie i liked was hateful eight
@Fade2Dark I guessing your favorite movie is the marvels or barbie or something.
Yes the tension when his blown his cover
Joe looked like he wanted to defend Bruce Lee more but decided it wasn't worth turning the whole podcast into this topic
Quentin was talking a lot of bullshit then. Bahahahaha if they were in. the jungle man! WTF you on about QT. Love the guy but doesn't know whats up. Bruce Lee wasn't even in Tournaments lol
I definitely picked up the same vibe, especially when he almost cut off Tarantino to chime in. He was itching at the bit to defend Lee a bit but decided against it.
Nobody cant say nothing about weed, martial arts, or DMT around Joe
Rogan decided it wasn't worth it because he realized that it's QT and that Tarantino has done his homework on Bruce whereas Joe hadn't. Not many movie makers research more than Quentin when it comes to his movies and the who's and what's going on in them.
I still think joe should of brought of the facts about Bruce Lee’s feats in his lifetime and how he would not be Beaten based on that.
QT is the only guest recently who seems more confident than Joe, and that’s refreshing.
Cocaine will make you confident
Don’t get comfortable with that. I believe Joe prefers guest that he can mostly dominate.
Aries to leo is what leo is to everyone else
Neil Degrasse Tyson.
QT, cannot fight........
I'm friends with Chuck Rohr. He was Robert Conrad's stunt man for Wild Wild West. They were friends.
Chuck says Conrad NEVER did his own stunts, the producers wouldn't let him.
Chuck's a little hurt because Conrad himself started the myth that he did his own stunts.
Chuck's in his 80's now, he lives in Mt Dora, Florida.
I'm not going to lie , i thought you were just another random internet comment.
But you actually check out and legit!
Can you please share us some more light? maybe an incident that happened that made your friend chuck say this?
@@dhavs8192 I have coffee with Chuck most mornings at our local McDonald's in Mt. Dora, Fl. He reminisces about his past, he's done a lot of different things including his stuntman profession.
We talk about it fairly often and if you're in the area, stop by and say hello.
I worked in service at Clem Ruh Chevrolet in the valley in the 70s...dealt with Conrad with his chevy chassi motor home a few times...he was a tool
Goes to show you can't believe anything. Especially Hollywood. Actors are shameless self promoters. I guess you have to be to make it in acting. Who knows what the truth is in Hollywood.
Someone should have got a stuntman to run for Conrad vs. Kaplan
Bruce Lee’s a legend! And, he’s the reason a lot of us older folks fell in love with martial arts. RIP Mr. Lee 🙏
He was an actor and a dancer lol
@@ConAir94 He also fought too. He was literally challenged every day by people of all sizes because he was a small Asian man who made a name for himself as a fighter.
@@jonkornealus9604 it so weird that in that time period there’s not one fight on film
Tarantino be comparing Bruce's to a Fuckin' Fictional character who fought in the world War. Haha fuckin' pussy of him
@@ConAir94what’s weird is you scrutinising the mans life 🤡
For a moment Tarantino had me convinced that Cliff was an actual person
That's what I was thinking
That’s because he eats his own shit.
JimL lol great way to put it
Damn so cliff ain't a real person lmao
Lol shit i didnt even know cliff was fake until i looked it up, tarantino making up a character based off of stories he heard. Seems about right, because that bruce lee in the movie was not accurate. Theres many real fighters and even kareem who trained and got to know bruce has never said anything bad about bruce. Yes he can be cocky but still he is a real good fighter also, not fake.
"Tarantino is the only guy who needs cocaine to stop talking"
-Brad Pitt.
Now THATS funny!
🤣🤣🤣
Lmao
Seems legit.
Hahaha all clamed up!
"He's fighting his instinct to kill me..." Quentins comment is chilling, and he is so passionate. Rogan remains at the top of his class with this one.
Cliff Booth gave such a great performance as Brad Pitt in that movie it's amazing
“a lot of people think you made Bruce Lee look like an asshole”
wasn’t Joe one of those very people?
my thoughts exactly...
He definitely was.
He’s been the only person I ever heard that from.
LOL I was waiting for QT to say "yeah and you were one of them". He can be a little feisty.
It’s well documented that Bruce Lee was an egotist and an A-hole to a lot of people- Tarantino was on point with the portrayal of Lee in the movie, sorry to say. :/
Tarantino: “I’m a little hesistant to talk about this because I don’t want this to be the only thing to be pulled from this show.”
Joe Rogan: Right
JRE- let's make it a clip!
u come up with that all by your own big boy? or is that someone elses thought repackaged for imaginary clout? jw, cause its obvious, n i dont understand why
@@trope5105 u monitoring the comments big boy? if some1 else posted a similar thought, who would had thunk it? jw, cause it's a free world and i dont understand why an accident is rubbing you so bad
hahahaha i was gonna post this
I actually listened to it and this is nothing. Tarentino starts dropping bombs on Lee and his family lol.
LMAO
That book is awesome. Get the book and the Audible so you can read along. I think it was Van Williams who, when discussing Bruce hurting stuntmen, said that they had him direct a scene and shoot it the way he liked - tagging the stuntmen. Then they showed him what he shot and he realized that it looked better when the hits didn't land.
Tell your mother to buy... I don't want it
3:01 joe wonders why an Asian man living in 50-60s America perspective was... lol I’m sure Americans were welcoming him with open arms and smiles everywhere he went :)
LMAO
QT's an asshole making shit up. Living in that era was not the greatest for Asians, got it from everyone, until Martial Arts hit in the 60's. Then it became fashionable to partake in Asian culture. Then whispers of Kung Fu came about, but it was not taught to anyone except Chinese & was not available. Then Green Hornet came followed influx of HK films increased their appetite. Then the Bruce Lee films came and that made the Asians so proud of their heritage instead of trying to be invisible. Amazingly some people just stared at me when I walked in. Their question was, "Do you know KungFu?"
Your a fool for buying into the marxist lies about America.
“ I’m hesitant to talk about this because I don’t want this to be the one thing people pull from this show” Joe uploads a small clip of this one thing. 🤣😂😭
Yeah, a GIVEN
Search:
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😂 😆
There was really no way it wasn't going to be.
I came to the comments specifically looking for this statement of fact lol
Reverse psychology, that shit works
Tarantino: 00:17 I don't want this to be the only thing pulled from the show
PowerfulJRE: 3.2million people think otherwise
And that's just in 5 days.
„Jamie, Clip That out!“
Does it bother you what 3.2 milion people think ?
first thing i clicked on lol
3.5M now
It's a long story and many of you won't believe me anyway. My father trained with Bruce and he always said to me that Bruce was very arrogant. A better word used today would be "cocky". He always treated his students with respect, but if he was challenged or had to demonstrate his talents. Bruce would get very cocky. My father passed away last August and the first thing I asked my mother for was my fathers picture with Bruce Lee, and a membership card from the school signed by Bruce Lee.
Not really a long story there bruh
@@cornergarageproductions9182 okay.
Mmm bullshit
@@cornergarageproductions9182 , meaning that to explain how everything came about would be a long story. I could name places, dates and people to help people believe my story. But that would make it too long. That's why I said it was a long story.
Let's assume it's legit, by your father's story was Bruce an unbeatable, insanely fast and skilful badass as they say or it's exaggerated?
I love that scene so much. From a storytelling scene it tells us two things: This isn't "our" history. It's a dark fairy tale like the title suggest. Two, it tells us what we need to know about Cliff. Even if we're upset as Bruce Lee fans, we subconsciously believe that if he can go toe to toe with him, Cliff's a badass. This scene literally sets up the entire last act and a half of the film.
Exactly, it sets very well that the movie is a boomer fantasy about ass kicking youngsters.
He can't go toe to toe with him though. It's total BS. Bruce is actually faster than what was depicted in the film. Tarantino literally made Bruce look like a clown
@@EndorphinooosQuentin is a boomer himself you weaky😂
lmao you're living in fantasy land but you know maybe bruce lee could dodge a lightning strike because he was so fast. maybe he was fast enough to never get hit. maybe he was fast enough to do parlour tricks and never take part in a real fight
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@@martinigasolini4062 As Tarantino has said, if he decides that Cliff can beat up Bruce Lee, then Cliff can beat up Bruce Lee. Bruce is a real person, Cliff is a Hollywood fiction. Of course he can beat up Bruce Lee, because he isn't operating within reality. I don't even understand what you are talking about. The Bruce Lee in the movie could have been twice as fast, twice as strong, twice as smart and so on as the real Bruce Lee and Cliff would have still beaten him, because that is how it was written. You are not, to my mind, making any damn sense. To me it sounds like you are just going: This is BS, no one can beat up my childhood hero!
Quentin Tarantino: this is how fights happen in real life
Joe Rogan: ok
I had the same argument with someone today 😂 someone was telling me a Krav Maga guy could fuck up top ufc boys 😂
@@RandyFromTheMarsh the delusion from Krav Maga weekend warriors wearing head bandanas is real 😂
Search:
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It’s hilarious! 😂
@@RandyFromTheMarsh maybe he's not wrong. He didn't mention a specific top UFC....i mean a RUclipsr with an inflated ego fucked up a top UFC fighter sooooo...😂😂😂
Also Joe: Michael B Jordan really got knocked out for Creed
**Shows fake knockout**
Joe: See that’s fcking real i’ve seen these in person
"I don't want this to be the only thing they pull from this show". Literally the only part of this interview I've seen
It kinda sucks that Jaime or whoever decided to pull this clip for RUclips. There was so much more interesting stuff in this interview, prob my favorite since the Spotify nightmare began
"I don't want this to be the only thing"
*3 million views*
Pretty sure that everyone that’s on the Bruce Lee side of things can’t stand what QT has to say. If this topic was never discussed, literally no one would watch any of the interview.
@@mikobel7131 The people getting all mad at QT and trying to cancel him for his portrayal of Bruce clearly don't know much about film history and also have not watched enough Hong Kong martial arts films from the 70s to know just how much the very same industry that made him into a legend would go on to exploit his legacy and make a complete mockery of Bruce all for a quick buck, there was a genre of Kung Fu movies called Bruceploitation where Hong Kong and even some Hollywood directors would cast stunt men who kinda looked like Bruce in films and market them as authentic Bruce Lee films after his death....not to mention how he was made into a caricature in an episode of Dragonball where Goku beats him up, in many video games like Fei Long in Street fighter, Law in Tekken and even Donnie Yen from the Ip Man films made a movie recently called Enter the Fat Dragon where he plays an overweight caricature of Bruce Lee....so these Bruce Lee cultists who outraged at QT should go do a little bit of research, their god has been mocked many times before you're just not aware of it....I'm a huge Bruce Lee fan myself but fuck do some people worship him to the point of it being a religion where they make him out to be some kind of flawless super human when he didn't even view himself that way nor did he make all the claims that people make of him
@@cyborgchicken3502 this has nothing to do with being a cultist. It’s about portrayal of an icon that, to your point, launched an entire industry of film in his image. Albeit a strong portrayal/caricature.
I don’t know who QT talked to but he basically ignored people that was in Bruce Lees circle and knew him best. Yes, the movie is fictitious but just because you can do an asshat portrayal of him doesn’t mean you should. QT dug in on his belief that Bruce Lee is an ahole no matter what people tell him. Even when his family tells him that what he did was shitty.
Didn’t joe specifically say he had a problem with it a few years ago
Why nobody ever mention an Oscar for stunts?
It wouldn't be much ethical to encourage crazier and more dangerous stunts, people dies already doing that
@@visebes9694great pov never thought of it that way
Quentin: The reason why I didn't want to talk about it is so that someone doesn't just take THIS and make a thing out of it. Joe: Jamie, crop that clip of Quentin talking about Bruce Lee.
🤣🤣🤣
It's what the people wanna hear. Glad Joe didn't give a fuck
The backstory of Cliff is that he fought with the Filipino resistance. I think you should Google that rebel group then watch the end and what Tarantino says about Bruce seeing the stance and realizing what it was. Its for Killing. Not Tagging. If Cliff got a hold of Bruce as a much bigger man and as a distinguished jungle Guerilla warfare combatant with of The most distinguished allied rebel group of world war 2 I'd say it's very plausible if Cliff got a hold of Bruce he would not survive 9/10 times and I love Bruce. Sorry.
@@Thehomelessathlete but could he get ahold of Bruce in the first place? Bruce was lightning fast and had many techniques to avoid being grabbed.
@@heartfanjim01 Uh who said anything about grabbing? All he need do is wait for him.
In the book, “Bruce Lee” written by Bruce’s first JKD student Jesse Glover he wrote, “Bruce believed that there is always someone who can beat you in a fight if the circumstances are right and that to walk around thinking that you can’t be beaten is a foolish mistake that can end your life. unfortunately, this isn’t a popular concept in the minds of many martial arts people. the path that Bruce followed was to live each day with the knowledge that he could be defeated by an expert or novice at any given time.”
THERE NOT A HUMAN IN THIS WORLD THAT CAN'T BE BEATEN .
@Speaker Roach in my opinion I think he just means to be humble as a fighter and to never be overconfident with your skills
sounds like someone needs to introduce Jesse Glover to the period key
@@sylvester465 khabib, andre ward, Lomachenko when hes not injured, and more impressively, bruce lee who had most american black belt and pro strikers and wrestlers after him especially at a racist time in America and knowing he hadn't been beaten while going around beating teachers in every dojo he got into which was all bare knuckle
I call it the dark souls experience
I've heard Tarantino's beliefs (and they are like a religion to him because he's a zealot who thinks he's never wrong) about Bruce Lee. I loved his portrayal of Bruce Lee BECAUSE if the real Lee were alive today, he would laugh at the irony of the character.
Lee was fascinated with boxing, and stated over and over that a professional boxer would kill him (Lee) effortlessly. Lee loved working with Gene LaBelle because Gene was a master grappler and Bruce wanted to learn as much about it as he could. Lee loved trading ideas and working with all the stuntmen. The only ones he ever fought with were in China because they would challenge him. Here's the ultimate irony: Lee used what he learned in the States to beat the hell out of those Chinese challengers. Every account is how Bruce would tie them up in a clinch (grappling taught by Westerners) and pummel them until they gave up.
Tarantino thinks and tried to portray Lee as a man who believed Kung-Fu was invincible and believed he was invincible. The real Lee was eager to learn and recognized the realities of fighting.
Dude nearly nothing of this is true 😂
@@stillgotyourmomnothing of OP's message, or the movie?
@@jonb2756 Both! You are well aware that the movie is comedy right? Bruce learned Taijiquan from his father, WT from Yip Man, was in Taekwondo and boxed matches at School BEFORE he went to the states! So the comment above is absolute Bull like Tarantinos making fun of a dead man is 1000x Bull and UFC fans stating Bruce couldnt fight ia in the same league when Jonny Roid Jones is actually using Bruces JKD knee kick 😂 Only lames diss a dead person and there they are all the same.!
@@stillgotyourmom how do you know all of this to be a fact?
@@jonb2756 well how do you know what the guy or the movie state is real? So you confront me with the logic you dont use for the negative side? Pretty weird! You ll have to ask the schools, dead Yip Man and Bruces dad if they photoshopped their pics before 1970! Very simple dont you think. Thx!
I feel like this interview missed the mark. The controversy wasn't that Cliff hurt Bruce. The controversy was the level to which Bruce was portrayed as an ignorant blowhard.
I think Tarantino is implying his justification for such portrayal by explaining the nature of the characters. He's basically saying, "it's not that he's a tool, but more like a phony, he is no killer and others shouldn't be sucking his dick so much"
it was both
Yeah I wanted to know the other side, I could care less about Bruce Lee losing
Joe with brendan: “I hated it”
Joe with Quentin: “that was SO funny!”
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Joe turns into Brendan around people he's made fun of when they weren't there, I cringe whenever he has a ex wwe star (undertaker comes to mind), he acts like he hasn't shit on there entire industry a 100 times 🤣
@@Rozza2k He's a professional shit talker, he's talked shit about everyone at some point. Real people can handle that and still converse.
Also wrestling is fake.
So joe is spineless?
Don't act like you'd be any different lol
Joe: Bruce Lee would win
Quentin Tarantino: Not in my imagination
Exactly his make believe man is more capable than real life Bruce Lee, it's kinda funny, could He-Man beat Lee too Quentin?
@@davidmayberry3190 Exactly it's a fake person. This fake person is a killer and can fight. lol people are mad that fake people can win in fake scenarios. lol smh
Bruce Lee was an actor, he would get fucked up by a real brawler
@@Numenorean921 Bruce lee was a fighter first. He had real street fights before coming into acting.
@@Numenorean921 I mean he was about 135 pounds but jesus a kick in the face in a street fight is a shocking thing to see, I mean you just dont expect it in really life outside a bar etc. Have to give a really good kicker the advantage I think
"He's not fighting me, he's fighting his instinct to kill me." love that line
This reminds me of Bruce Lee killing Chuck Norris in the Way of the Dragon. Made me wonder how Americans viewed him after killing their hero. So I don't blame Tarantino for being a jackass.
Oh wow imma go fight brock lesnar right now with my pure instinct to kill him,no training,quentin is a geek broo
@@fatimalobi6382 LOL Way of the Dragon was Chuck's debut in movies. Chuck Norris was a nobody prior to that movie. Nobody knew him or followed him. Bruce Lee launched Chuck's career and made him relevant.
@@fatimalobi6382 bruce lee wasn't killing anybody, stop dreaming kid. Your idol was an actor and maybe a philosoper, but not an accomplished fighter.
@@alfanscholz8663 He had matches under his belt, stop lying whitey
So glad I came across this interview with Tarantino, I always wondered what the actual story was behind the scene where Cliff fights with Bruce Lee, it's the one scene that always sticks out in my head when I first think of "Once upon a time in Hollywood". Some redeeming facts here about Lee and maybe why he was replaced by David Carradine in the series "Kung FU"?
OMG.
Really?
Joe: did you know-
Quentin: Yes.
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Quentin: I have always known.
😂😂😂
I heard that too 😂
That's crazy! It makes so much sense now! Jackie Chan told the story several times about how Bruce Lee hit him on set and after the scene was over Bruce went up to Jackie and started apologizing like crazy and felt so bad for hitting him! Chinese stuntmen are prepared for getting hit for real by accident, but the difference in culture is that American stuntmen are not prepared to get hit, intentional or accidental. That might be why Bruce was so irritated by American stuntmen is because they complained about it whereas it's in the job description for Chinese stuntmen. You can even watch older movies and see how much of a gap there is between fighting contact in American movies, but a lot of Asian movies you can see the stuntmen or actors actually getting tagged especially when they use the white powder to dramatize the contact effects.
hell yeah jackie vs benny the jet was a crazy fight poor benny got beat up so bad for real 🤣 although controversial who’d really win fr, idek
Pretty sure I have heard several interviews of Jackie Chan talking about Bruce kicking and punching a lot of the Chinese stunt people so I could see Bruce being that way in America and not even thinking anything was wrong with it.
In the interview with Jackie Chan bruce lee literary apologized and said he was extremely embarrassed and sorry …
@@Greatness316 clip? because ive seen the jacky chan interview and its jacky remeniscing about the past. bruce whas not in that interview
@@sadev101 He never said he was in the interview.
No , this is not the whole story , Bruce Lee did fight with other actors and stuntman because those people are bullies , Bruce Lee in real life is a kind person.
The interesting state of stuntmen in America, vs stuntmen in China, is wholely due to standards in cinema built up over the years. Can't remember if it was Buddy Holly (edit: wasn't Buddy Holly, memory somehow blurred his name over Buster Keaton for all the insane stunts he pulled back in the day, *LOOK HIM UP SOME TIME!),* or an even older actor (after silent movies, but before movies in color), but there was a scene where the actor (playing a bank robber) rounds the corner and narrowly avoids a hail of bullets from the police, as they shoot up a wall right beside him. It goes off less than a foot away from his face, and it was done before "special effects" were really a thing, so it was _actually someone firing a tommy-gun at him!_
Needless to say, the actor wasn't thrilled. They tightened up on safety regulations, for the protection of both actors and stuntmen. I'm sure, as the way these things go, it started off light and got more strict along the way, but by the time Bruce Lee came over to start working (China doesn't have the same rules in making movies) he probably looked at what was required of himself, as a stuntman, and what American stuntmen are tasked with doing, and found the comparison as a sort of, *"IN **_MY_** DAY,* we had to walk *FIVE MILES* in the snow for a stuntman job! *UPHILL! **_BOTH WAYS!"_*
Jackie Chan tells a story from his stuntman days back home. He was hesitant to raise his hand for a scene where they needed a bunch of dudes to ride horses for a shot. Everyone but him rides off, and a few minutes later just the horses came back. When he looked, it was just a field of dudes laying in the field with broken arms and legs.
I don't agree with Bruce, but I understand how he developed such a high standard for being a stuntman. The harder they go, the better the film looks, and in America (too Bruce), we're like, "Don't actually beat the guy whose job it is to take a beating, in place of the actor!"
Buddy Holly? The singer? Or another guy same name?
@@nicholasmuro1742my memories have bled together terribly, on this one.
Not sure why the names were changed, but the actions were the same. I thought Buddy Holly was a big name in actors unions, but I know they began to form in 1913 and did so in the face of thrilling action scenes being *REAL AS ALL HELL!*
Dudes actually having guns fired at them, trains barreling down on them, buildings falling down around them.
I think Buster Keaton somehow blurred into Buddy Holly, because of all the stunts he did (seriously, check out _any_ of his old works, they are time well spent, and all that he's doing in them is 100% happening , he is in _very real_ danger!!!)
But, also, Buddy Holly was an actor AND a singer, unless my memory is failing me once more
Bro wrote an essay for a RUclips video 💀
@@adityakhandelwal9255 speak to text is amazing. Phone wrote it, I dictated it and then did a terrible job proofreading it.
Bro commented about a useless comment on RUclips ☠️
Bruce Lee had Bob Wall strike at him with a broken bottle over and over until he was stabbed in the hand by the bottle and had to stop filming until the wound healed
This reminds me when Joe had Bas Rutten on the show and they were discussing something similar. Bas had remarked that someone had told him that he’d be handicapped in a street fight cause there are no rules. Bas’ response was, “What, you think I can’t fight without rules? If anything, I’d be MORE dangerous.”
Bruce lee wasn’t a fighter tho he was an actor
@@nathanaelhart8487 and being military doesn't automatically mean that your a good hand to hand fighter either.
True, felt like Tarantino talking nonsense here
@Miguelits Milton Lmao the worst UFC fighter will whoop the best non-MMA trained Navy SEALs’ ass. It doesn’t matter if you’re “militarily trained”, if u have no background in striking, wrestling or submission you’re gonna lose every time.
@@sams8502 Eh u don’t think navy seals are trained to kill a mf with their bare hands??
Joe "a lot of people had a problem with the Bruce Lee scene and I'm going to pretend I wasn't one of them" Rogan
When did he have a problem with them. I can only find clips of Joe praising Bruce Lee
When did he act like he wasn't though? He has to spell it out for you? Q already seen the episode where joe talks about it. You're confusing you not knowing how to have a conversation with joe lying
@@LookzA him and a schaub debated it, if I remember right joe didnt like the portrayal, Schaub thought it a funny scene, and realistically didnt hurt Lee's image, being such a venerated figure in martial arts.
@@tobe1207 he literally said that he had a huge problem with the scene on a previous episode with Brendan Schaub from about a year ago. I'll find the link
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I loves Bruce Lee, I personally wont let him go out like this
That first exchange is classic 😂. You know it's good when young Jamie is cackling in the back.
Joe Rogan itching to tell Quinten the benefits of sensory deprivation and elk meat
saunas too
Bow huntings and alpha brain pills
Elk meat seasoned with dmt
Best comment right here!
Tho, you forgot to incorporate DMT and aliens. ;)
Your username is amazing 😂😂😂😂
Stuntmen hit hard in Hong Kong, that's their style, both Scott Adkins and Michael Jai White have talked about this.
@Shadow Man so let's appropriate Chinese culture and bitch when they call us pussies for not being able to do it the Chinese way? Seems legit.
@Shadow Man Because if you're bringing over Chinese to do martial arts in a film where they're KNOWN for a very specific style of combat and engagement, then it's going to be standard for them to employ what THEY KNOW in your film. Otherwise, hire Americans.
@Shadow Man cool. What you said was Bruce should respect the norms of the country he's in. Fair. However, he made movies utilizing a Chinese martial art. And since that aspect of Chinese culture is central to those movies, maybe the people that want to be involved should respect Chinese culture and not cry about it. Otherwise dont take part.
I wonder what their longevity and attrition rates are in that case
I've also heard that a lot of stunt men in Hong Kong constantly complain about Donnie Yen being arrogant. When it comes to Jackie Chan, Sammo and Yuen Biao I've never heard any complaints about them when they train with foreign stuntmen or stuntmen from Hong Kong.
QT is so in love with his own creation (Cliff) he’s talking about him as if he was a real historical person.
Quentin is an absolute genius, his work in Movies like “Pulp Fiction” & “Reservoir Dogs” is cinematic genius & will be admired, enjoyed & praised long after Quentin is gone.
Quentin is & always will be regarded as a legendary American movie maker.
“This guys not fighting me, he’s fighting his instinct to kill me” that’s a badass quote
Seriously, just casually dropped a golden line that could have been used in a film.
chills
How he come up with lines like that
Apparently, we need sticky notes to quote this!
you guys have not watched a lot of freestyle battle, This nigga momma gonna cry before my son miss a meal
Interesting breakdown on Bruce's attitude toward stuntman; Jackie Chan was one in Fist of Fury and Chan tells the story of Bruce tagging him and being apologetic over the shot. Jackie Chan has also been critical of Western stuntman; maybe it's a cultural thing.
Those Kung Fu films are crazy though and seems to have very relaxed safety regulations. Corridor crew has done some videos reacting to Kung Fu stuntmen
I think it more of a perfection thing Jackie and Bruce would do take after take to get the scene right American stuntmen back in the day where more of a one take can and lets go to lunch kind of guys. This didn't fly with Jackie and Bruce who wanted a perfect product and who can blame them their work and fight scenes became their legacy so in the long run they where right.
Asian stuntmen are crazy haha, no union rules or anything like that lol
It's definitely a Cultural Thing. The Chinese view Americans as Lazy and Soft.
but with Jackie Chan, he literally broke his fucking nose and even Jackie Chan said himself that was the hardest he's ever been hit in his whole career
Tarantino's claim that Lee had no respect for stuntmen runs contrary to the claims of Jackie Chan himself, who stunted on two of Lee's movies. According to Chan, when Lee accidentally hit him for real in a sequence, after "Cut!" was yelled he became very concerned for Chan and literally cradled him in his arms (while Chan, loving the attention, sucked it up and pretended to be more hurt than he was because he was enjoying Lee's concern for him). I'll take Chan's words over Tarantino's on this, since he worked with him.
Tarantino also doesn't seem to have done his homework on Lee, basically claiming that Lee was essentially just a tournament fighter who fought in a tournament style with tournament rules when Lee never actually fought once in a tournament in his entire life. He was a streetfighter.
JC isn’t an American stuntman. Dude was born in Asia. QT said he disliked American stuntman if you actually listened.
Tarantino is racist asf
@@darenmcneese8006 but Bruce is American, he was born in San Francisco, works in Hollywood, graduated from Washington State University and married an American woman...
He never disliked working with American Stunts, he basically wanted to make some scenes not be so fictional but more realistic as they were in Hong Kong so there could be real hits that some but not all doubles as he was not willing to put up with, but Bruce He was always distinguished by the well-being of the people, a star of action films like Jackie Chan in his beginnings was part of the stunt crew in Hong Kong and was beaten by Bruce Lee, and right after filming the scene he was attended by himself Lee who not only apologized to him but gave him all possible assistance, so that comment is very unfair.....
Now, it is not understood why Tarantino says that Lee was in martial arts tournaments, when Bruce, being very young, only participated and won a boxing tournament, yes boxing, in Hong Kong and he only did some martial arts exhibitions but did not participate on a professional level in it to continue focusing more on his acting career and being able to study other martial arts such as kung fu, tai chi, karate and street fighting, so basically he not only studies acting but also becomes a pioneer special of the style of mixed martial arts that exists today in a pro level....
I honestly have a lot of respect for Tarantino, but in this particular case, the scene goes beyond the portrayal of reality with that fake situation scene...
Analyzing the scene there are several errors, Bruce never used a flying kick out of nowhere in a sparring test, he was usually too calm in any test, or challenge and did not telegraph his movements at first as it happens in that scene, although it was very challenging with his look, he was not so cocky, he was also too fast, therefore not easy to catch, and not so light despite his appearance when in reality he was a subject with a lot of physical strength, in the case of the scene versus cliff stuntman The most probable thing is that if Bruce knocked him down against the concrete, then in reality he would have knocked out Cliff or left him in a bad condition in his head and Bruce himself would have offered to collaborate, he was not a bullie, because he understood very young by the hard way that being a bullie is stupid and a sign of cowardice and weakness, and even when Bruce filming the green hornet made arrogant comments to sell the character, in his personal life he was someone very focused, even a valid opinion of a true full contact martial arts champion as the great chuck norris has been recognizes how good Bruce was as a martial artist...
It's not about idolizing a man who could maybe get differences with others, could have made mistakes and probably had some wrong attitude that wasn't well understood for a while, but in the face of this, Tarantino made a bad move here with arguments mistaken overreaching the staging and forgetting to respect Lee's legacy in martial arts and his contribution to cinema with his ideas creating a new style, catalog or genre in addition to politically breaking racial differences or derogatory comments towards the Asian-American people since then...
@@nicedoppy2077 no one said he disliked Americans but didn't like American Stuntman who werent willing to take the same type of hits as the Asian stuntman. I don't even know if dislike is the correct term. The Asian stuntman were willing to do whatever was needed to make the shot look as good as possible. The Americans weren't willing do take do it
@@danielh6015 Asian stuntman doesn't take punches for real , this is all just BS when we all know about camera angle.
in China, it was expected that the stuntmen took the hit and didn't complain about it whereas in the states, they tried to avoid getting hit if possible. That's why he was tagging them. It's what was expected from the stuntmen in his culture. Jackie Chan talked about it also and how he had to adapt to it bc he use to be a stuntman.
All these complaints about how stuntmen felt is a bit rich coming from Quentin Tarantino.
He paid no attention to Uma Thurman's worries about a stunt scene in Kill Bill. He fobbed her off and convinced her he'd ensure it would be safe. But it wasn't safe, and led to a serious car crash.
Tarantino endangered Uma Thurman's LIFE, and she's been left with long-term neck and knee injuries as a result of working with him.
@@GMBethHarmon QT isn't complaining, he's explaining his portrayal of Bruce Lee based on Bruce Lee's actual behavior. This comment disproves nothing.
It's possible for QT to be a scumbag and be correct about BL being an asshole.
@@michael9300 Bruce Lee was not an asshole. It shows that American stuntmen are soft compared to Chinese stuntmen, who Lee was used to working with
He accidentally hit Jackie Chan who tells about how he ran over to him and comforted him. And it only happened because he moved from where he was told to stay. Tarantino is a piece of shit.
@@sabbracadabra8367
Exactly. Where did he get this made up information? From jealous fucks who hated how great Bruce was. If trashatino had done any research, he would've known Bruce was literally training like a killer.
Tarantino ‘I hope people don’t just take out this part of the conversation’
JRE ‘hold my joint’
I saw articles about it with a headline something like, "Quentin Tarantino told everyone to get fucked on JRE"
Hahhahaha. That is a good point.
Joe's gotta watch Bruce Lee's ping pong video. It's insane.
The guy in that video is not Bruce, it´s fake and it´s a commercial
its fake, its not bruce lee.
2023 and literally looked for this clip.
Joe looks respectfully confused
I am the cool kid from Germany making videos for the USA and the rest of the world. I will make your day so don't say nay to me today, dear sk
Being respectfully confused is the future.
Hopefully he mentioned that the Bruce vs Cliff fight was all a vision that Cliff had on the roof of Rick’s house, it wasn’t real
Makes me wonder why Tarantino falsely portrayed Bruce Lee in this way. Seems like Tarantino has a chip off his shoulder.
@@silveriver9 I don't understand, respectfully, how he disrespected Bruce Lee?
QT says "It's in the book" like a fan explaining the story of his favorite movie.
There is literally a full chapter on it in the book he just released
@@scampoli25 no
QT wrote the book himself.
@@Ken_Scaletta Taken from true stories about Bruce.
^ u all gay including op
I have watched 5+ documentaries about Bruce Lee, read 5+ books about Bruce Lee & 5+ books by Bruce Lee. All evidence I have seen in those docos & books supports the major criticisms people have made about that movie scene & about Tarantino's claims.
E.g. Tarantino claims Bruce was a competition fighter. In reality, Bruce is famous among martial artists for rejecting competitions as having unrealistic rules compared with full contact sparring without rules. Bruce is famous for having been in many real fights. There is no evidence that anything like that movie scene happened to Bruce in real life - in reality, the evidence shows that by the time Bruce Lee moved (back) to the USA as an adult, he was winning all of his real life fights.
Furthermore, Bruce is famous among us martial artists for being all about economy of movement (for maximum speed and minimum telegraphing) in his martial arts (that is one of the principles of Bruce Lee's martial art "Jeet Kune Do"). So, e.g. he would not have done a flying kick. He would have probably done something economical & fast, e.g. kick that Brad Pitt character in the knee or shin and then finish him off with some strikes to the head (perhaps led by an eye gouge, if the opponent was dangerous). So why did Bruce do flying kicks in his movies? Because Bruce Lee's movie performances were NOT about realism, but about showing off to make the fights more entertaining.
I love Bruce Lee and have immense respect for the guy but the scene in the film was great and beyond that who gives a shit
What proof do you have that he was winning real fights against legit competition?
He never won any fights in any comp. Stop it.
I have not watched 5 books about Bruce Lee, 5 documentaries about Bruce Lee and 5 books by Bruce Lee himself... and not being a fan of Bruce Lee I could say that in real life he would never do those flying kicks.
That flying kick, especially the second, is very uncharacteristic of him. (He would never do the first one too).
"....and always remember to stomp that groin."
The sad thing was that Bruce Lee could not respond to that controversy. Perhaps Mr Tarantino should learn more about Bruce Lee from Bruce Lee's friends and family.
It's the Tarantino Universe. It's not supposed to be historically accurate.
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And it was Cliffs memory too 💁🏽♂️ obviously his perspective is gonna be at least somewhat different from the “truth” in the movie and/or Bruce’s perspective in the movie
@@KZA518 i didn’t know the movie was told from the perspective of cliffs memory
@@jdailey01230 not the whole movie but that scene… it starts out with cliff leaving the movie set and going back to Ricks to fix a antenna or satellite on the roof and then he has a flashback to the Bruce Lee incident
For a director and film producer I don't believe Quentin didn't know the difference between American and Asia stunt filming at the time. Asia has a lot more physical contact in their filming to create that realism and most stuntmen and actor accepted and agreed to it. In James Bonds Tomorrow never dies - Michelle Yeoh said in a interview the western producers wanted her to work with her own team because of her former work. The fight scene was more intense than originally planned and they did it in far less takes because the team know and trust each other. Bruce Lee at his time wanted that same impact and effect in his western movies which western stuntmen didn't like or want. A lot of the Asian stuntmen including Jackie Chan who worked with Bruce Lee knew and expected it. If you ever grew up watching 70s, 80s & 90 Asian martial arts movies, a lot had outtakes at the end showing injury's and failed stunts from all members of the team as a way to show the world, "look everyone we did this for you". 😊
I remember watching the outtakes in Jackie Chan movie.
Actually he did. Which was the point he was making. Bruce Lee's treatment of American stuntman, who weren't as prepared and trained the way HK stuntman were, shows his lack of concern
Too bad Bruce Lee died 20 plus years before Tomorrow Never Dies
Not only that in asian movies the stuntmen would not get paid unless their scene made it past editing n onto the big screen. So they would offer a stuntman $500 let me tag u to make it look good n u get paid from the film studio...so they would do it bcuz thats a guaranteed pay day. Quintin has to know that but wont tell joe to make lee look like a douche.
@@omarlives Not to look like a douche, he just thinks it is being unprofessional. Personally I love Bruce Lee’s movies way more than our Western baloney but eh what are you gonna do.
I also find it funny that all of the Stuntmen hated Bruce Lee but is still one of the most well known action stars to this day lolllll.
I was waiting to hear Steven Segul’s name when referring to “actors” hitting stuntmen.
I always wondered if, when Tim Kennedy was fighting, if any of the fighters he faced looked across the ring and said, this dude could legit kill me in a real world situation
“I don’t want this to be the only thing pulled from the show”
gets a JRE YT clip…..
😭😭
Just couldn't help it. Lol
came here for that 😂
Look up
Elon Musk meets Post Malone
It’s hilarious! 😆 😂
I would like to hear Bruce Lee's version.
He put out a response on twitter, do your research.
Bruce said he wasnt going to respond to internet hysteria via social media. I think you might be able to reach him by regular mail.
Keep waiting buddy
He should've apologized cause in real hand to hand combat with no Madison Square garden rules Bruce was even better he would've killed any ww2 vet or whoever. Bruce was the best Martial Arts expert on the fucking planet QT doesn't know shit
This is making me think that Bruce Lee was murdered.. so much hate
Tarantino lecturing Joe Rogan on fighting is a bit like Joe lecturing Quentin on filmmaking but Rogan holds his tongue to avoid a pointless debate.
Leyend has it that Quentin Tarantino is still talking (this time all by himself) how Cliff could beat Bruce Lee, Chuck Norris, Muhammad Ali, Mike Tyson, Gregor O'Connor, Superman, all the Avengers, Thanos, Goku, and the bear from that DiCaprio movie where he won the Oscar...
Didn’t know I wanted this episode until it came out lol
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Same here
Didn’t know my gay friend wanted me till he came out. Then i beat him and fracture his cheek bone and knock out 3 teeth for winking at me and it’s a “hate crime” i cannot stand this new PC world.
@@MrGFloyd whoa man
Wish I could see Joey Diaz's reaction to this whole episode.
Who else could hear
"Holy fucking dog shit man , hilarious , I remember back in the day , a buddy of mine , a coke dealer used to be an asshole too , they're out there Joe "
JOE :
I came to that realization on dmt , unbelievable .
"dawg"
"He´s not fighting me, he is fighting the instinct to kill me" daaammmmmnnnnnnn🥶
Great story, but how do you think Bruce would have done against an Olympic wrestler of that time? Mustafa Dağıstanlı was the Gold medalist at 140 lb summer 1960. Dude looks rugged. Chiseled from steel. I think Carlson Gracie was around out then too. Bruce was fun to watch because this Kung Fu lore had become a film genre.
No martial artist can jump from table to table and then up onto a balcony 15' above the table (with a sheet metal wobble). But this was the most fun thing they did was stretch reality during the fight scenes. The sound effects were epic. What Quentin did with "Kill Bill" was so awesome in this respect. He sewed all that lore into a great story. I loved the sound effects during the fight scenes. I swear I heard a cheesy bowling pins strike when a table fell in "Kill Bill". That was so cool.
I love Pai Mei beating Black Mamba's ass without empathy and then Elle Driver is just so grimy she poisoned his fish heads. "That's right! I killed your master!" And then SNATCH!
Daryl Hannah Vs. Umma Thurman's character fight was epic.
Tarantino literally and figuratively has a giant head.
Most or all people would if they had his success.
Head so big Rogan needed 3 cameras to capture tarantino's face🤣🤣🤣
actually he has a VERY high IQ. something around 160 if I'm not wrong.
where have i heard this before...
Frankenstein head
I like how he talks about his characters as if they were real people. :)
@Chris Tasse I'm sure he cares about his characters. A lot. But as insane as Tarantino is, I don't think he actually believes they are real. Or at least I hope not. lol
They have better character than most real people
And for that and a lot more he is a great director, thats why you fall in love with any character of his movies It does not matter whether they are the bad or the good ones, that important portion of realism on his scenes is what makes it magnificent, see di caprio's scene in django for example ppl realize it which is considered one of the best scenes of all time
Same with me. He really believes in them.
That's a writer!
I like to think that Tarantino's depiction of Bruce is either a "what if Bruce Lee was a jerk" type thing or that we are just seeing things from Cliff's POV (like, in reality Bruce was being nice and Cliff was being an ass but didn't think it was such a big deal so we see his interpretation of the whole thing)
It kinda seems like Tarantino actually believes Bruce was a jerk
When he said about military stance, i lost it. 😂
Joe really suppressed his inner monster to not but into that argument.
Well QT this ended up being THE only thing that people pulled from the show.
Hahahah. That's good stuff.
Speak for yourself, Nipun.
This was an awesome podcast
LMAO
Really?! The ending was the best, most INSANE thing I've ever seen in a film...
I like how once Joe Rogan starts laughing Quentin just looks at him like "Ain't shit funny. What are you laughing at?"
Mike Tyson technique
@@sajithks97 difference being Tarantino has nothing to back up his huge gaping pie hole, whereas Mike Tyson..
@@joewright9879 probability of infliction of physical violence need not be the only reason one man/woman can shut the other.
lol I think he's just good at being deadpan. Definitely felt like he wanted Joe to laugh.
Joe often hides behind his laughs. Because ain't nobody else ever laughing at his jokes
Literally watching the Bruce and cliff scene on tv rn and this came up in my recommend
Bro. His response was harddddddd. 😂
It's Tarantino. It's to be expected.
LeBell said, “I went and worked out with [Lee] at his school. I taught him judo and wrestling and stuff like that and some finishing holds which he later worked into some movies, and he showed me most of the kicks and striking which even today I use in the movies. A wonderful, wonderful man and a great martial artist.”
That's what leans me towards thinking he was actually a decent guy, Lebell doesn't seem to me to be a guy that would suffer fools gladly and if Lee had been a dick he'd 100% of said that.
He's also talked shit about him as well. I think he wasn't as "liberal" back then as he is today (eyeroll)
@@sampson3121 nice analysis 💯
Bruce Lee was studying Judo for 8 years before meeting LaBelle
@@edmonian132 and after 8 years, you don't have anything left to learn.
- some Judo wisdom I guess
It's pretty common in Hong Kong cinema to actually hit stuntmen for real. Even until very recently. Donnie Yen pays guys extra to let him knock them out for film. KNOCK OUT. Not just hit.
Wtf?! 😱
Yeah, and surprising Joe doesn't know this, considering how much he celebrates Bruce Lee.
I love the credits in Police Story lol
It's culture difference, I understand the frustration on both sides.
@@BlueisNotaWarmColour Those fight scenes in the mall are brutal.
It's crazy how Tarantino is so detailed about his characters and the research he puts into how those characters would interact with real people.
His info is flawed. Do some research. He just says he read the books. The books don't say anything he says they do! he most be a democrat!
@@mwoutlaw100 you are really funny, not on purpose, but funny to know exists and uses their brain in this manner.
He is a terrible director, Jackie Chan a stunt man who work with Bruce said something totally different, after being hit hard he was very apologetic, which means tarantino has no idea what he's talking about
Nice interview have to check the whole thing out
There's something about Quentin talking about Cliff vs Bruce that reminds me of a 10 year old talking about Pokemon.
He is the biggest fan of his own fictional world.
... On cocaine
@@Dionisis_Pan Honestly, you gotta be the biggest fan of your own work
Reminded of that scene in _Stand by Me_ where the kids are talking about who'd win in a fight between Mighty Mouse and Super Man. 😅
@@DanBruhMoment I agree
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@@Chkprofilename nonsense
WHY AM I SOBER FOR THIS ? I NEED FIFTEEN STARS OF DEATH FOR THIS INTERVIEW
I can’t overemphasize how much I love Bruce Lee.. Did my media research year-long project on the man in college. That being said, the scene was PERFECT. QT gets it.
Can you share your project?
“bruce lee’s not a killer.” is a very dicey statement to make
Quentin describing cliff booth like he's an actual person in real life just showed me how his brain/ imagination works
It’s a shame the clip ended when it did. When he talked about “cliff” being this ex army killer making it out how he’s kill Bruce was utterly fucking absurd. I really wasn’t to hear what Joe said back to him because it’s clear that Tarantino is very misinformed and uneducated, like a lot of people, about what Bruce was actually doing. He wasn’t doing origami ffs.
@@axelstone3131 he was lol, in the sense that he folded people on the mat
I’m not military but I am a Bruce lee fan but don’t take what he said as being far from the truth, the mentality of a spec ops soldier from people I’ve met and studied is not something that even Bruce would want to go up against in a WARTIME setting. it’s not just a mentality of kill or be killed they live that life on a daily basis for years. Bruce would without question be the underdog in a 1v1 wartime situation I’ve boxed and done martial arts for years so it’s not like I’m speaking about something I know nothing about. So don’t pretend that just because soldiers didn’t learn traditional arts that he would roll over any of them. Quite the opposite to be honest.
@@kelvinjones8650 Bruce Lee effectively invented MMA. STFU.
this whole thing was like listening to the one 12 year old with goggles and a pastel shirt in your middle school talk about how his Sonic OC that he drew on a napkin could totally beat up the Avengers
I've watched quite a few, Bruce Lee interviews. I don't remember hearing Bruce Lee talking negatively about any form of Martial Art or any another Martial Artist.
hes in front of the camera
@@AngryBanan4 Being in front of the camera is irrelevant. This was when the world didn't know much about martial arts so Bruce was introducing it to us. He did talk doen in Japanese martial arts like Karate which makes sense on how he explains it.
@@AngryBanan4 His personal philosophy was to take the best from every martial art
@@maforo85 the world always knew about martial arts i guesd you mean america
Full circle what the white people say is the truth... That is the truth..
I mean there are multiple sources even Americans that say the opposite of what they say he was here... Remember that back then Hollywood was not shy with being Racist.. And everyone who knows Bruce he was a very intelligent and educated man.
He even admired Muhammed Ali saying "I've never in my life seen a man that big and heavy (he actually said the right numbers I don't know them :p) that could jump around the arena like that for 15 Rounds and could keep going" Jackie chan tells a story where Bruce actually hit him with a nunsaku in a movie scene and keept on going as a professional and when they yelled cut.. He goes straight towards Jackie chan apologetically. So I mean... I rather believe these other sources than creepy Hollywood people... Chuck norris has also only said nice positive thing about him (his personality)
Quentin is great!He's so knowledgeable about movies,shows and Hollywood in general.Yeah,even though i too,love Robert Conrad from "The Wild,Wild West",I did hear that about him.But in books I've read and seen pictures of him laughing and posing for pictures with his stuntman crew.
Great video !
Bruce: be like water
Cliff: I drink water.
Tarantino: Cliff used to fucking drink water and then piss it out
Lmao fucking what😂😂
Hhahaha
lol
Hahahahaha that’s great
Hahahaha 🤣🤣
Tarantino: Bruce was an asshole with stuntmen. It says in the book.
Stuntmen in articles: Bruce invited all of us on the set to his house for dinner.
"Jackie Chan's Early Role with Bruce Lee"
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"Enter The Dragon Stuntman Rue The Day He Challenged Bruce Lee’s Jeet Kune Do"
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This debunks a lot of what Quentin Tarantino said. Bruce looked after his stunt men, even after he beat them up in challenge or accident hurt them during a stunt shot.
@@terat1227 youre missing a key part of what tarantino said, he didnt respect AMERICAN stuntmen
@@Sernival Didn't Bruce Lee have to fight at lot of racism in the west? Even after he worked really hard and made name for himself. It was AMERICAN PRODUCERS and Stuntman who apparently stole his idea and show The Kung Fu Show? Imagine having American Producers and American Stuntmen pretend to befriend you to pick your brain for a show pitch, teaching them Eastern Martial Arts and philosophy. When really nobody else would. Only to be backstabbed and idea completely whitewashed with little to no respect the source material and no compensation or credit?
@@terat1227 I think Tarantino's disregard and ignorance about Bruce Lee is to blame. I think it's the other way around - I don't think the American stuntmen respected HIM, this "short, Chinese guy" that no one ever heard of prior to The Green Hornet, and he probably felt he had to earn their respect. Tarantino usually does a lot of research, but he misquotes Polly's book and twists things around. Disappointing, but what can you do?
Really sucks cause I like QT but he really struck a nerve. If he was a fan he wouldn’t have done it. But since he dislikes the Lee family and their version of the story. He goes out of his way to steal from Bruce(yellow jumpsuit) and makes a caricature of his image. While Bruce at the time had to endure racist Hollywood, in the future his family has to endure this. Not standing with QT. I still couldn’t finish the film after the Lee scene. This sucks. I like them both. But I stand with the Lee family. You don’t write the iconic character of Bruce Lee into your film and do him dirty like that. Not just the fight scene, but the way he’s portrayed is disrespectful to any real martial arts fan. F%#! that guy.
Bruce actually fought in gangs growing up with ppl wanting to kill him, and that's exactly why jeet kune do was made, to evolve old gong fu into new world tactics same as BJJ was learned by UFC fighters after they kept getting ass kicked by them, he understood that fighting arts is evolving, just like MMA, so basically he started the first MMA
bruce was a huge liar and couldnt beat wong jack man in a fight. gene lebell manhandled him and then realized he could make more money lying like bruce
Bruce Lee was a ballroom dancer
@@mattb6616yeah, okay. Move along Jimmy.
@@twotubefamily9323and master of combat.
Bruce Lee was starred in 20 movies between 8 and 18 ages. His parents had stuff for house work and chauffeured limousine driving, they were rich and very influential in Hongkong. He was chauffeured limousine driving with his sister to and back from school. He went acting school, dancing school, later he also teached people dancing, and of course normal school and also in a philosophy school, where he learned all "" his" famous quotes. He was also short time in a school boxing team, his record was 1 : 2. That's not really talented. And his father brought him with the age of 13 to a Wing Chun school, because he was beaten up from other school kids. And so rich, sissy boy, Bruce was fighting for his live in hard street gangs and against trial killers for survive? Actually by all his activities there were no time to be a passionate streetfighter, also his activities shows straight to another direction.
I used to work in a martial arts gym in England in the 1990’s. The guy who was the gym manager was a former British Judo champion and his big friend from back in the day was another judo legend and television Superstars champion Brian Jacks. Both of them lived in Hong Kong and they both came across Bruce Lee. From what I was told from these guys was that Bruce Lee was a very good martial arts actor and he looked great on film. However, when it came to being a serious martial arts fighter and someone who was going to seriously kick ass it was simply not the case. Bruce Lee was all show and was not respected as a master martial arts fighter.
Jackie chan himself said bruce made sure he was okay when he hit him and that was before jackie was popular so it wasn’t because of who he was either
Quentin was referring to American stuntmen.
@@acdc09 why would that makes sense when he was american himself though?
@@changingslow I can only speculate that he had more respect for the higher level of punishment asian stuntmen performed at. American stuntmen have always been outstanding in their own right but asian stuntmen take it to another level in general.
Which proofs that Bruce also used to hit Chinese stuntmen aswell, not just Americans. He wanted the fights to look realistic. And that is why stuntmen are paid for, btw.
@@duran3d yeah but I wonder how hard..
probably another reason why Chan did his own stunts😂
Chan was beat up by Lee when he was a stunt man for him too
Yeah Jacky was in Enter the Dragon and Fist of Fury. He wasn't beaten up by him. He accidentally caught him and apologised profusely afterwards. Sammo Hung and Bruce had a REAL fight. To this day Sammo wont talk about it
@@johnboydojo thank u
@@jesusvalverde129 no worries. Good name man!
Why wouldn't he? He was a stuntman. He was never a fighter. There is zero fighting in any of his movies they're all stunts. If you tried that for real you'd get killed. And i liked his movies. I don't know him as a person. But i don't like how he appears to be selling out to the CCP but he probably has no choice because he has family in China. I wouldn't blame him for that. If i lived in China i wouldn't oppose the CCP because they'll kill you and not even think twice.
I think it's also prudent to mention, that the Bruce Lee scene exists within Cliff Booth's mind, as his own hypothetical what-if.
The movie’s title of “Once Upon a Time…” means the fight could happen any way they wanted it to.
I’ve always thought that the whole scene was Cliff daydreaming while having a break from repairing the antenna.
Underrated comment haha
Its clear hes reminiscing