VLOG 574: installing air filled tires! (instead of foam)

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  • Опубликовано: 22 ноя 2024

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  • @grahamesmith7663
    @grahamesmith7663 3 года назад +8

    I’m a 69 yr old guy who has Multi System Atrophy MSA and I’m transitioning into a wheelchair. I live in the Blue Mountains west of Sydney Australia. I watch your videos whenever they pop up and I have learnt a lot from them. So thank you and keep doing what you do.

  • @brucebrown5185
    @brucebrown5185 4 месяца назад

    Thank you very much for getting back👍

  • @mikebeagley
    @mikebeagley 2 года назад +1

    Had a Frontier X5 with pneumatic tyres and it did pretty well on the bush block I had. It was my workhorse for getting out and about on the 17 acres I had. I'd use it outside, then just park it on charge with one of the rear castors hidden from view most of the time. When I finally had a look at that rear castor one day, I found I'd been dragging it around flat (it was sort of just skating along rather than turning). That experience kinda threw me and my manual chair and V6 have foam filled as I am by myself with no one to call on if I got a flat somewhere. The trade off is that the ride is very harsh on both, and the narrow, (virtually) solid drive tyres easily lose traction on virtually anything more challenging than concrete or bitumen.
    My fingers are crossed now as I have an X8 on order so I can actually explore all the bush trails and beach areas that surround me here. Opted for the puncture resistant tyre liners, and will carry a mini compressor with me....

  • @harleyeckles
    @harleyeckles 3 года назад +1

    I have used accelerometer/vibration apps on my smart phone to compare the rides of pneumatic vs foam-filled tires. They make nifty graphs. I ran pneumatics on all six tires on my M300s for a few years. It was much smoother. I tried an experiment with green slime vs mylar tire liners vs slime used in tractor tires. Because the wheelchair tires have smaller diameter than the bicycle tires the tire liners are designed for, the liners wander around and do not stay aligned. This causes wear on the tubes, actually causing flats instead of preventing them. I found the tractor slime to work better than the green slime, but both tended to cause leaks in the air valves. In the end, I used heavy duty thorn-resistant tubes. Now my primary chair is an M5. I has a good enough suspension that I just use solid caster tires and foam filled drive tires.

  • @midtoad
    @midtoad Год назад

    I decided to go with air filled tires on my new Rovi wheelchair. It definitely rides more smoothly then they did with foam filled tires. Yes, they can slowly leak or even go flat suddenly, but seriously, how often does that occur? I installed Bluetooth pressure sensing valve caps on the inner tubes and monitor the tire pressure using my phone every day. That way I can keep them at the right pressure all the time. I do carry a small bicycle pump with me in order to pump them up if there is A leak. It's also possible to carry a mountain bike leak stopping goo to squirt into the inner tube In the event You get a bigger leak while you are out and about

  • @JamesTatePa
    @JamesTatePa 3 года назад +1

    Last time that I changed an air filled tire, definitely pinched the tube leaving major hole in tube. Didn't prefill the tube with air, whereas you did and made the whole process seem so easy. If I have to do it again will definitely use your method. My solution was to switch to the foam filled tires.

  • @eddieg780
    @eddieg780 3 года назад +1

    I've had both foam filled and air filled tires. While the ride was a bit better on the air filled, I also had shorter battery life. The air filled tires create more friction and there for are harder for your motors to move the chair. I'll stick with foam filled tires and get a better cushion to sit on.

  • @pigggyfadis
    @pigggyfadis Год назад

    flat free wheelbarrow tubes work fine in wheelchair tires no more flatts

  • @mikeb8811
    @mikeb8811 3 года назад +1

    Really hope you can find a way to replace that rubber snubber on the suspension to improve the ride. Great video, thanks 👍🏻🙏🏻

    • @davidbrian1436
      @davidbrian1436 3 года назад

      Get an Amysystems M3. The ride quality is superior to Permobil M3.

  • @carolowens
    @carolowens 3 года назад

    I insisted on air filled tires instead of solid on my first powerchair, an Invacare Storm Ranger. Freedom!!! (Couldn’t propel a manual wheelchair, didn’t think I’d need to be pushed anywhere I needed to go longer than a few months. It was mid to late 1990’s. Smooth ride in Storm Ranger. Seat was made by a Canadian company for powerboats, also used by Invacare for their wheelchairs. I used it all day for working at my desk, and then evenings around the neighborhood and park trails thru wetlands, Portland Japanese Gardens, even at least one Sunday every month with a photography group in Portland. They were on the sidewalks. I had better experience in bike lanes. Next came an Invacare TDX 4. I was first person to ask Invacare if they could put a “van seat” on a TDX. The Canadian company making that powerboat seat. With springs and just the right amount of foam had unfortunately folded. Invacare said why not if I wanted and to get the lowest frame or whatever its called to attach van seat to base. The DME evidently couldn’t figure out how to put this together but neglected to share that’s why after some 8 months I still had no new mobility to replace my now dead/worn out beloved Storm Ranger. (DME had taken my parts down to Eugene office. They had no success either.). I was due for cancer surgery right at the time my husband’s knee went out and was scheduled for replacement. So we went out of pocket for an Invacare Pronto. At least I had my independence back. Still insisted on air filled tires. I don’t think the Pronto has any shock absorbers at all??? My husband got DME to bring TDX parts up from Eugene to Beaverton, and my husband put the TDX together…except DME had decided on their own to order Medium bracket or whatever to attach seat to base so I was sitting way up in the air. TDX is midwheel drive, so smooth. Soon the bracket or whatever that was to be low one arrived. My husband switched it out since evidently DME hadn’t remembered how to do. So this was late 2004 by now. I’m still using that as my go to for getting everywhere unless I’m just sitting in passenger seat of my 2007 van. TDX has gotten new batteries off and on, not too often. It gets charged every night. I have experienced flat tire due to nail several times after moving to an apartment when the 3 story rambling building was getting roof redone w/ shingles and by stoned roofers. Several years ago after Medicare approved a new power wheelchair suddenly a new to OR DME called , making appointment to come out to my apartment. I was being seen by Home Health PT, and she should’ve been part of the process with fitting right make, model, seating. DME excluded her. Decided on his own without even seeing me first, brought a demo midwheel drive Quantum w/ tilt, recline and seat elevator. I’d never seen a seat cushion like this one and loved it before even transferring to it. This reminded me of the seat in my late husband’s car when we were dating, a TR3. But it wasn’t just the appearance it was so very comfy. He gave me all of perhaps 20 minutes to play w/ it both in my apartment and outside. Then he took a couple of measurements, said he didn’t bring a charger so he couldn’t leave the Quantum demo for the weekend but would return soon w/ my own new chair. It would be my first experience w/ solid tires. The Quantum he brought looked so different as far as seating, and I told him when he rolled it in my door. Thin seat cushion that feels like bubble wrap folded over a few times inside a cover. No gel arms, nothing in the way of charger for my phone, just bare stripped minimum. I still use the 2004 TDX all the time. Had new tires put on twice. Still tubes w/ air. Rides like a dream. Remember it’s 2004 model w/ more miles on it than my 2007 van. It glides over rough curb cuts, and if I go slowly finer gravel is smooth. I’ve gotten quite an education from your RUclips, and thank you for this.

  • @CrookedLittleFlower
    @CrookedLittleFlower 3 года назад

    I use foam filled. living rural and in the mountains, air is not a smart move for me. lol. I agree. I have an M3, and while I absolutely love her, she is a very bumpy ride and can get quite painful.

  • @goodfortune6399
    @goodfortune6399 3 года назад

    You can put G meter app on your phone and use that to test ride quality when you hit the same bump with different tires.

  • @wheeliegoodpilot2273
    @wheeliegoodpilot2273 Год назад

    This is really cool! Have you ever tried creating your own “track chair” from an old power wheelchair and ATV tracks? I’ve been thinking about if it would be possible to fabricate custom mounts and put ATV tracks on an old Permobil m300 wheelchair to create a monster tank chair.

  • @modikhadra8985
    @modikhadra8985 3 года назад

    I recently got a new tire for my Chinese power wheelchair and it came with straight valves not right angled ones and since I don't exactly have a lot of options I got it installed and it worked fine, it's definitely harder to fill but somehow it just worked.

  • @mattbellina5485
    @mattbellina5485 5 месяцев назад

    Super cool man thank you very much for the video

  • @andrewnorgrove6487
    @andrewnorgrove6487 Год назад

    9:45 Which asks the question ! Is the speed limiter based on the Engine RPM or wheel rotation ? guessing motor's Regardless it annoying having the speed capped @ 10kph in Australia

  • @richardfazio2417
    @richardfazio2417 3 года назад

    I run air on all my chairs and also put the slime in them.My 4front though,if I run air tires on the rear it puts more stress on the caster bearing and caster arm,I've had one caster arm snap a few weeks ago due to running air,learned the hard way .lol.You can soften the shocks to make up for the harder ride.

  • @orion_13
    @orion_13 2 года назад

    If you do a test like this again try mounting your phone and use the accelerometers to show the difference in ride quality. That would be independent data for testing.

    • @TotallyNormal-
      @TotallyNormal-  2 года назад +1

      yea.. i was trying to come up with an objective way to quantify ride quality - good idea with the accelerometers! i use a lot of those phone sensor apps for other things anyways, and have bought most of them LOL

    • @orion_13
      @orion_13 2 года назад

      ​@@TotallyNormal- I've used phone sensors from everything from measuring the speed of an RC airplane using the microphone and doppler shift to g forces... It doesn't even take a new or top of the line phone to get some accurate data. Got to love that!

  • @brucebrown5185
    @brucebrown5185 4 месяца назад +1

    Whats the brand of tyres??? I would have solid tyres too painful

    • @TotallyNormal-
      @TotallyNormal-  4 месяца назад

      they were some no-name ones from a random website.. BUT look into the permobil aggressive treat tires! they fit all models of permobils and the foam compound in them is MUCH softer than stock powerchair tires! IMO they're every bit as good as air filled wires, without the flats!
      buildmywheelchair.com/permobil-aggressive-tread-flat-free-foam-filled-tire-3w-x-14t-black/ (these guys ship direct from permobil) OR your DME can order them as well

  • @markweiss9771
    @markweiss9771 3 года назад

    As usual very informative video. I think the more important question is do pneumatic tires ad to traction. My permobil f3 is pretty lousy on anything off road. I’m planning to switch to pneumatic tire to specifically improve traction. Will it work

  • @rafaelgarcia7110
    @rafaelgarcia7110 3 года назад

    I put that dirt bike tires on my when you did the honda dirt bike tires

  • @ConvanderHam
    @ConvanderHam 3 года назад

    I'm in a manual chair and I once on a new chair I had foam-filled. In the hospital I had to run about 2 km, normally it costs me not too much energy. With the foam-filled ones I was exhausted and completely sweaty when arriving at my appointment. I went straight back to the one who had delivered the chair and started foaming about the chair being rubish. "And you even haven't filled the tyres properly (so old school foam). The the man saw the foam tyres and was quit amazed that I had run to my appointment and back in the hospital without getting a heart-attack, I ended up in the chair due to a heart-attack, and switched the wheels for air-filled tyres.
    So on my next chairs I ordered air-filled ones and had the representative have it highlighted.

  • @SkipHDP
    @SkipHDP 3 года назад

    I used to be able to get the green foam-filled tires. The green rubber/composite was much softer than the black. Not sure if anyone still makes it. I used to cut it on the bias, pull it out of the old tire, and reuse it in new tires many times.

  • @JordanLoweElevaToursCanada
    @JordanLoweElevaToursCanada 3 года назад +1

    I have air filled tires on my 2015 F3, but on my new second generation F3 it’s going to have gel filled the tires

  • @evilrubberducky92
    @evilrubberducky92 3 года назад

    I much prefer air filled tires. You get a more comfortable ride and you can change the pressure to suit you and for use on different terrains etc. You can get puncture resistant air filled tires which have a compound in them that seals the tire off fairly quickly should you get a puncture. I’ve been using them for years and wouldn’t go back to solid tires now. I use a front wheel drive chair, not a mid wheel drive though.

  • @derekmatson7924
    @derekmatson7924 Год назад

    Hey brother, I just got fitted and ordered my new F5 Corpus, and still have some time to put in some changes if need be. I’m a quadriplegic so I’m not as mechanical as I once was . I am dealing with a really bony butt and a lot of sensation with pressure, sore history and possibly looking at a flap surgery in the future, my question is is it in my best interest for a smoother ride to go with a pneumatic tire? I am a little worried about flats, especially since I’m adventurous and have Quad paws, but I know that the air filled tires have to be better for ride quality, I feel every vibration and crack in the road and is quite annoying. Like for example, went on a boardwalk or dock, I feel every board and have to go at a slower pace to endure it with my Current Mid Drive, Invacare, TDX SP2 that has solid tires. How are the shocks on the new F5? Do they need to be adjusted for a softer ride? Just really contemplating the pneumatic versus solid tire though. Will it be that much of a better ride?. it’s going to be a front wheel drive chair

    • @TotallyNormal-
      @TotallyNormal-  Год назад +1

      the F5 should have great suspension! the aggressive tread tires they come with are a MUCH softer foam compound (thats why i had them installed on my F3) and the 5 series chairs also have oil dampened shocks.
      IMO there's no reason to go with air-filled tires on an F5 :^)

  • @jasonwheeler3854
    @jasonwheeler3854 3 года назад

    I've tried air filled tire's a few times and the ride was smoother also within a few weeks I'd get a flat and the guy would have to come out and change it and sometimes that would be a few weeks. So no air filled tire's for me.

  • @donectas
    @donectas 2 года назад

    Thanks! You do a great service. I Don and I'm pretty new to the wheelchair community. I currently ride a Fold-N-Go and I am still some what ambulatory. However, my condition is degrading and they can't seem to be able to label the cause just a bunch of me is falling apart. Just living Normally. So I have been told by my DME Therapist I need a group 4 wheelchair and since I need to turn in tight places I feel a mid-wheel chair would be best. So my Therapist is going for a Permobil M3 Corpus with the lift seat. Any advice you can offer would be appreciated. Enough for my introduction. Now to the comment.
    Have you ever heard of anyone carrying a spare wheel on the back of their chair?

    • @TotallyNormal-
      @TotallyNormal-  2 года назад

      most people run foam filled tires.. but i have been known to keep a spare air filled for one my my chairs in the van :^)
      permobils are usually pretty reliable - ive had a lot of luck with them over other brands..

  • @Numian
    @Numian 3 года назад

    When you had flat tire on your Bounder, you mentioned something about filling them with some foam or something. Did you do it? Would it be a middle ground betwen solid/air tires?
    Thanks.

  • @boondockingmainahs
    @boondockingmainahs 3 года назад

    Hey Dan what's going on with your ceiling chandelier moving around . Enjoying your videos . Keep up the great informational video's

    • @TotallyNormal-
      @TotallyNormal-  3 года назад +1

      i stopped wondering about things like that a long time ago... this house is WEIRD!

    • @JordanLoweElevaToursCanada
      @JordanLoweElevaToursCanada 3 года назад

      @@TotallyNormal- I bet you anything it's haunted

  • @blobby273
    @blobby273 3 года назад

    being scooter tires they might mark light vinyl flooring interesting to find out ,

  • @jasongooden917
    @jasongooden917 3 года назад

    Solid tires for me

  • @leorigby3069
    @leorigby3069 3 года назад

    Hold on to your tyres! I refused to pay for a new set of foam tyres so removed the rubber, cut out the inner bit of foam from the OLD foam filled ones, put the foam and a 1.5" innertube into a new set of pneumatic tyres! Now we have some puncture protection and cheap tread.

  • @hecomputers
    @hecomputers 3 года назад

    Hi I followed you channel for a long time now and I really appreciate the content you make. I have a question do you of a way to bypass the sensor or the system that slows down the chair when you use the seat elevator?

    • @TotallyNormal-
      @TotallyNormal-  3 года назад

      yes.. but you need an R-Net USB programming dongle to connect to a computer to make any changes

    • @hecomputers
      @hecomputers 3 года назад

      Do you have a video or any material that shows how to do it?

  • @porjo01
    @porjo01 3 года назад

    Put tire liners so you will never get flat tires. It’s an option on magic mobility wheelchairs. They actually drive over nails.

  • @charleswilson8497
    @charleswilson8497 3 года назад

    Try them on the F3 I really like them on mine

  • @blobby273
    @blobby273 3 года назад

    first question answered lol. I should watch whole video before commenting , lol

  • @roystratton8892
    @roystratton8892 3 года назад

    Roy I have another question I have a wheelchair how do I check to see if the motors are any good or not do I have to take them apart or can I just wire across between black and red or will the brakes make him so they don't turn

    • @TotallyNormal-
      @TotallyNormal-  3 года назад

      are they not powering up and working? or ya just wanting to 'test' them? usually as long as the chair runs around ok, drives straight, and the motors dont many any crazy sounds you're good to go :^)

  • @Frank-xm1sx
    @Frank-xm1sx 3 года назад +1

    How hard is it to pull form out of the old tires?

    • @TotallyNormal-
      @TotallyNormal-  3 года назад +1

      ive tried it a few times unsuccessfully

  • @NancyTroutman
    @NancyTroutman 2 года назад

    If I don't see a valve stem, does that mean I have foam filled tires?

  • @josephmirigliano8728
    @josephmirigliano8728 3 года назад

    I think you get a much better ride with air filled tires but they do Squeak all right more

  • @davidbrian1436
    @davidbrian1436 3 года назад

    I think in order to improve the quality of ride, you would be better off making the casters air-filled. They're small and impacted by bumps more than the large drive tires. Plus, forwards or backwards, they're the first tires impacted by bumps.

    • @honkleretta1050
      @honkleretta1050 3 года назад +1

      The only problem with air in the casters, is that the tires are so small and hold so little air, that any leak at all, and you are running completely flat.
      ...there is always a tradeoff, you have to decide if it's worth the potential trouble.

  • @thomhodgson2721
    @thomhodgson2721 3 года назад

    I miss pneumatic tires in gravel.

  • @abeljeffcoat9797
    @abeljeffcoat9797 3 года назад

    I have always had foam filed. Every time I had air tires, would get a flat.

  • @duanegerdes1393
    @duanegerdes1393 Год назад

    What type of jack is that please.

    • @TotallyNormal-
      @TotallyNormal-  Год назад

      some random low profile aluminum mini jack from harbor freight.. not sure they sell it anymore though :^/

  • @thegamists677
    @thegamists677 3 года назад

    How do I get air filters for the casters

    • @TotallyNormal-
      @TotallyNormal-  3 года назад

      air filled tires to replace the sold ones? monster scooter parts and other random websites usually have them.. ya gotta find the correct size though.

  • @honkleretta1050
    @honkleretta1050 3 года назад

    At 7:20 ,......Who else was saying,...."no,...no.....you aren't really going to do that"....
    However I only keep a solid tire for a spare (never needed it yet), and air filled all the time on the chair. And i just watch that i don't drive through glass

  • @blobby273
    @blobby273 3 года назад

    you can mess around with the tyre pressures for a better ride

  • @pplusbthrust
    @pplusbthrust 3 года назад

    The tire-change-police say no locktite on wheel X, 38 lbs, just like solids.

  • @jamesmceraghan9165
    @jamesmceraghan9165 Год назад

    HOW BETTER DOES IT HELP WITH TRACTON IN THE GRÀSS , LIGHT MUD

  • @eileenabacusbengalsbutler-6923
    @eileenabacusbengalsbutler-6923 3 года назад

    I'd rather have foam filled. Nothing worse then a Flat when your out and about!

  • @charlesw2716
    @charlesw2716 2 года назад

    AIR TIRES COME NON MARKING ALSO I RUN AIR TIRES AND I LIKE A SMOOTHER RIDE

  • @thomasennenga5705
    @thomasennenga5705 3 года назад

    pneumatic tires = green slime, no flats