Why I DON'T Shoot Vertical Video (what to do instead)
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- Опубликовано: 23 июл 2024
- Should you film videos vertically or horizontally? In spite of short form 9x16 videos taking over the internet, here is why I think that videographers and filmmakers shouldn’t shoot vertical videos.
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In this video, I talk about my rationale for filming all of my content for Instagram Reels, RUclips Shorts, and TikTok horizontally in a 16x9 aspect ratio. Specifically, I discuss under what conditions you should film horizontally and when you should film vertically, some of the most prevalent issues with filming vertical video, and why for myself it makes sense to film almost solely horizontally and resize my footage to a vertical format as needed. Hopefully this video helps you understand the pros and cons of filming vertically so that you can make the best decisions for your specific style of videography.
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0:00 Why not film vertical video?
0:25 Who should film vertical video?
1:10 Tips for shooting your vertical content
2:15 How to frame your shots
2:55 Benefits of filming horizontal video
4:20 Lens distortion issues
4:58 The only time I film vertical video
5:33 Horizontal vs vertical
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Do you prefer shooting vertical or horizontal?
Definitely horizontal because of the exact distortion features you mentioned when shooting vertical. I even bought a dji vertical mount bout a year ago and waited for it to come in just to be disappointed 🤣 All learning lessons tho 🙏🏾
I shoot everything horizontal, 6k Open Gate and track in Post.
Close to hating shooting vertically around here, we always shoot horizontally. Yes, vertically has its advantage points nowadays, but we always end up losing more than what we gain, at least in sports.
never vertical. I don't cater to people that won't turn their phones
@@bvilll vertical thank you very much.
I had the same thoughts at first, but after shooting over 1000 social media videos i can tell u that it's a big difference shooting horizontal and than cropping in. First the amount of time to crop in properly and reframimg it well is incredibly high and i can tell u, that when ur shooting vertical the way u shoot is completely different, when u see exactly the outcome of the video u are going to frame it completely different. When u do it horizintly u have to go back so much more and i'm losing depth of field and its giong to be a lot harder to see everything detail in the shot from such a distance. A pro has to feel the shot, that's why he is shooting it vertically
This^💯💯
Exactly. Too much second guessing and thinking about how the shoot will look and hoping it will actually turn out alright during post. Just too much extra steps to add that aren’t worth it on paid shoots.
My thought if you are shooting for one video for various social media platforms is as follows: If you have an iPhone and are wanting to shoot a short for YT, a short for TikTok and Instagram and Facebook shorts. If your intended FB short was to be extended over the one minute mark and decided to release it as a FB video post, then crop from 16:9 to its preferred 4:5. For an intended long form video, to me the ideal is to shoot 4:3 on a Blackmagic camera and then crop for 16:9 for YT and 4:5 for FB.
Ive been trying to get this across on videos extolling the virtues of open gate, I never got it, and could only see the problems with shooting vertically. Well done, great explanation 👍
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100% with you! I hair some projects last year purely vertical and could use them in my show reel :( so now everything is shot 4K min in 16:9 🤘 I also noticed the distortion when using the DJI mini 3 pro so even with that tool I still shoot horizontally!
I’ve been toying with the idea of creating more TikTok content but I want to start creating more traditional videos. You’ve helped to confirm my thought process. Thanks.
LOL TikTok sucks!
Excellent tips, as well as insight about shooting horizontally in 4k for vertical video. Thanks, Peter!
You’re welcome, thank you for watching!
Totally agree, but this isn't really about the gear, as a lot of people argue, it's about the logic of using the most appropriate format for the scene your are filming. If you are filming a person full length and they are not moving across the frame (i.e. talking head) then yes vertical 'may' be okay, but of you are filming an expansive scene, i.e. a landscape or people who are moving across the frame then horizontal is the format to use. Using vertical video is so restrictive and feels like you just want to see off to the side at what's going on off frame but you can't because it's filmed with such a tight frame. All because someone can't just take two seconds to turn the phone 90 degrees.
We agree! For some shots it makes sense to shoot vertical, like talking head that is made for 9x16 - it blurs the background more due to the fact that you can get close, but you loose all the benefits you stated!
I agree to an extent. Although shooting wider also means deeper depth of field. Would also be nice to have open gate 6k 60fps on a camera (my xh2s has 6.2k 30fps). I find personally 16:9 too narrow most of the time.
Very good video, Peter. Thank you!
Some great points in here. I film a lot of handball and have to supply both horizontal (for FB and TW) and vertical (IG) clips of game action, player portraits etc. Only thing I’m still struggling with sometimes is wanting these beautiful close up shots which tend to be worthless in vertical video because it’s too zoomed in. They’re great for the horizontal videos, but unusable for the reel format.
Yeah I agree it can be tough to get those really tight shots when you have to consider both formats. Sometimes you gotta just get the best shot and realize that not everything can fit vertical I guess 🤷♂️
@@petersarellas do you ever use any of those close up shots and use them in vertical footage? People love those up close helmet shots but I'm not sure how to compress it into vertical format well either. Any hints?
Done a few 905 games now and have improved with each video I’ve watched of yours 🙌🏿
Imma get there
That’s awesome!! 905 must be a ton of fun to film. Appreciate you tuning in and happy the videos help!
These are some great points! I've been debating on this for a long time, and tbh I still don't really know which one I prefer. I think it depends on what I'm shooting for. I do shoot a lot of vertical for my weekly, less serious content, but prefer horizontal for that cinematic short-film format. I just wonder if people really watch RUclips videos like before? Because personally if I see a horizontal video on my iPhone, I skip it fast.
It depends what I’m watching if it’s a movie clip on Instagram I’ll watch it even ghost it’s narrow. and RUclips I’ll still watch it narrow but if I wanna full screen I’ll just turn my phone lol
I think what you explain for your case of action videography are all good points. But I recently started filming a lot of vertical social media videos in a studio environment with a carefully designed framing. Shooting horizontally would give me no benefits here. I do have to say though, camera gear isn‘t made for vertical yet…Things get blocked, buttons are suddenly in a weird position. UI doesn‘t rotate …. it feels wrong ergonimically
Ergonomics are a challenge regardless of content for sure. As I said in the video, if you can ensure that your framing won’t cause distortion in your image or anything to be cut off and you’ll never have to repurpose for 16x9 at any time then shooting vertical isn’t bad.
Well said! Thanks for sharing.
Thank you for watching!
As much as I hate to admit it I have found that I consume a lot more RUclips shorts lately, and while its better to see the video in vertical format for that specific reason rather than someone trying to fit a 16:9 or 21:9 video into a 9:16 frame, I find more often than not people who are putting these videos out are NOT keeping the "action" in frame. They are more interesting in seeing what is happening and not filming it correctly. Shooting horizontally as a habit will allow people to edit the video later to make sure the point of their video stays in frame. If they MUST hold their phone vertically to record why not just record in 1:1.
However, personally I always record in horizontal because as you said it gives me the flexibility to use the video for more future projects and since the majority of content is streamed in 16:9 and 21:9 on youtube and other platforms, it just makes sense to be in that format. Honestly I kind of want vertical video to go away. It's really annoying watching a news clip and the citizen journalist or internet clip they are using is vertical wondering all over the place, and barely shows whats happening.
Do you have a video showing how you take your horizontal video and make a panning cropped vertical video from it (2:32-2:55 in this video)? I would want to fully cut off the unhighlighted portion. Thanks.
thanks for the tipps..got myself a Lumix S5 which can shoot open gate , unfortunately not with 60 fps but still I can shoot 6k Open gate most of the time or I shoot just 4k in 16:9
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Awesome 🙌
Definitely prefer horizontal. I am new at this Tiktok and IG Reels thing, and it's very annoying because most of my footage is horizontal. I was searching how to convert, and stumbled upon your channel, and just based on this video, I subbed. I agree with all your points, makes sense, and makes me glad I do horizontal. I think that will stand the test of time, especially when all TVs & movie screens are horizontal.
Could you please recommend an editor to extract vertical videos out of my horizontals? And is it possible to move around the areas I want, or will it always just extract the very center?
@@EleganceRealty davinci resolve... i use that
Nice video. I would really love to see a video where you maintain your simple style but go more in depth as far as exactly how to edit to get from horizontal to vertical. I loved your insert and explanation -- just wanted to hear more. Still, great job!! Thank you!!
I like that idea! Thanks for sharing. I’ll add that to the list.
@@petersarellas thank you! I'm a new subscriber. My husband and I have been trying to learn videography as a weekend hobby. The struggle is real. 😅
Great advice!!! Thanks!
You’re welcome
is there a way in the sony menu systems to mark clips as you shoot them? so you can find them when you need to turn around highlights quickly?
Amazing video and a great explanation why you should keep up filming horizontal.
On the other side if my footage is only needed for instagram or TikTok im would still consider it shooting vertical.
So i can make my post production easier.
And dont have to deal with cutting my videos.
How do you make the shot fit the frame in the project preview while downscaling it to 89% ? I watched one of your videos before and shot horizontal instead of vertical my next shoot but to fit the correct aspect ratio I had to upscale my footage to 179% for vertical video.
As discussed in the video, you can downscale your footage to 89% to fit a 1080x1920 composition if you shoot in 4K (3840x2160). If your shoot in 1920x1080 full HD you’ll have to scale up 178%.
Tried filming myself horizontally in the gym & i have to put my camera way back more just to frame myself in the middle.
But with vertical i can frame it instantly without moving it far.
But im still filming in 1080p & with a 22mm on a apsc sensor.
Plnning to get a used sony a6300 for 4k soon.
That definitely makes sense! Everyone’s got different needs and if you only have so much space in the gym and need a full body shot then that might just be the best option. Thanks for taking the time to watch the video and enjoy that a6300 when you pick it up!
Thanks for sharing .. very helpful
Hope you can help me with this , Im struggling with following the action when I handheld the camera with 70-200 lens specially when i want to use the zoom .. do you use an arm rig or support ? Its tiring after an hour of recording
I usually use that setup handheld with a camera strap around my neck but if you find yourself getting tired or your image being unstable then a monopod or shoulder rig could be helpful.
I love shooting horizontal because it's easier for me to control the camera as a beginner. I noticed my panning is a bit more unsteady when I attempted to shoot vertical footage...which I hated because I couldn't go back in time. For some reason the in camera stabilization didn't seem to function as well vertically on my Lumix GX85. Could just be me though 😅.
Even though I have my grid turned on when shooting, it's still a bit hard as a beginner to keep the action in the center grids when I'm filming football and basketball. If you happen to get things a little to the left or right, is there a way to salvage the footage in post or is it a lost cause. I'm still trying my best though ❤️
Thanks for all the helpful guidance in your vids. This keeps me going.
Hey there! If you’re filming horizontally and your subject isn’t in the middle of the frame you can use keyframes on position property of your clip to move it so that the subject remains in your frame when editing vertical video.
@@petersarellas omg this is game changing!!! Thanks a ton Pete. I'm going to go back through some of my old clips and give this editing a try. 🔥🔥🔥
My A7iii can only do 4k30 so I've stuck to filming in 1080 60/120. I'll make the aspect ratio of my sequence 9x16 (607x1080) so that I'm only cropping and not scaling. Since most people are watching vertical content on smaller phone screens, the image quality is still very good... though I'd love to grab an FX3 at some point.
Yeah I suppose that works, mind you when I had my A7iii I shot 1080p120 and scaled up 178% to a 1080x1920 frame and it usually looked pretty good
What’s your suggestions for frame rate? 4k or HD? To record a lifting competition
But if I'm starting, and I dont have budget for a 4k recording camera, what should I do in order of not losing quality?
true.. But 4k takes up a lot of storage space..
So I went with 2.7k which sacrifices a bit of image quality when making it vertical full hd
My camera (a6600) do not support 4k 120 fps so I have to choose slowmo vs high quality image. I ussually film soccer and basket as a hobby following my kids teams, and I use 80-20% horizontal vs vertical. Sometimes I am not happy with the result of filming FHD 120 but as a hobby also i doubt about investing in new gear. Probably I will wait one more year and push my creative limits first.
Well explained! Thank you! What do you use to edit the vertical videos into horizontal ones? Especially if using a phone to video
I edit everything in Adobe premiere pro but if exclusively using a phone the premiere rush or RUclips create (if that’s available to you? I know it’s a new thing that’s rolling out) are good options
Having open gate on my gh5 is nice.
Here's my point: shooting in horizontal has ton of advantages overall, the only case vertical shoot make sense is when we're sure we don't move the camera that much and is facing a static subject. Unless we talk of Drone shootage. In that specific case I gotta admit vertical shoot is a game changer. In fact, if we wanna shoot a subject entirely in horizontal (to upload in 9:16 social media) we have to go up at least 50m more and sometimes there's fly limitation on areas.
Very well explained
Thanks! Happy you think so!
I found this out the hard way i will no longer film vertically . ive missed some important information during a soccer game . I filmed an event vertically and i had no room for error and since i was shooting handheld the footage was awfully shaky and in post it was useless because i coulnt stabalize the footage without croping which i didnt have enough room for if i wanted to keep the subject in frame.
Don’t feel too bad about it, all of us are always learning new stuff! The stabilization point is a really good one as well for people to consider.
Everyone talks about RUclips, Instagram and Tiktok, but what about Facebook, in what way should I upload my videos vertically or horizontally and in what resolution????
Yooo bro I have a ? About charging ppl. If someone wanted u to make their kid a sports video portfolio for college how much should I charge them?
I can make pretty high quality videos
My question is,
I shoot (vertically) 1080p@120fps. a7iii, i can shoot 4k@30fps 100mpb but my thing is, i dont want to LOSE that high fps because when i go into AE, then my slow-mo's look all choppy, etc..
If i shoot horizontally at 4k@30fps, and downscale to a crisp 1080p60fps, will my slow-mo's in AE look choppy? cause im recording at "24fps" not 120/60fps.
Did you find out the problem.? I shoot vertically on DJI gimbal and once I edit on Final Cut and add 50% slow it down and Stabilization its shaky. Any one knows why.? I have a Sony A7s3
I need to learn how to use my newly purchased a6400 or sell it. It's so simple to use the drone and phone. It's starting to give buyers remorse.
Helpful Peter! I am sitting on 7 months of vertical videos and it just clicked when speaking with a friend recently what the heck am I doing. I probably will want to use some of those videos later and with the extra work and time crunch my guess I will reshoot and not use then. Such a waste of time in one respect. You based in TO?
👏👏 absolutely right!
I have a question, I have a Sony A7s3 I record in 4K vertical and once I edit on final cut and add stabilization it shakes. You know why? Or might have a clue whats the problem?
Are you using warp stabllizer or stabilizing to a point using stabilize motion in after effects? You may be seeing blurs from motion blur caused by camera movement that isn’t being eliminated when you stabilize. If this is the case then using a faster shutter speed and whipping the camera less will help.
@@petersarellas well I had the Nikon Z5 on DJI gimbal and when I edit I slow ot down to 50% and then add stabilization and il looked smooth. Now with the sony the image looks like it gets stuck like pausing
A6600 currently- This makes me really consider the new fx30 and be able to always shoot in 4K and still be shooting at a high frame rate too.
Can confirm that the FX30 video specs are stacked for the price!
You can use Super Scale though in Davinci Resolve
I got the FX30 coming from the a6600 and it’s a great for
Video. But now that the a6700 is out I think it’s a much better deal with almost all the same features
if I export my 4k footage from a 1080p horizontal timline, in 1080. and then crop to vertical before posting will I lose all the benefits
of 4k?
Theoretically no you wouldn’t lose all the benefits as you’ve brought down the size of the noise in your image when you scaled the 4K shot down to 1080p, but I also don’t know why you’d export, then crop and export again
I can only shoot 4K in 60fps, not 120fps. Would you sacrifice the fps to shoot in 4K/horizontal or keep 120fps and shoot vertical
In that situation I would shoot 4k60 horizontal. I shot 4k60 horizontal for most of this past football season on my A7iv and was super happy with how my content looked.
Hello Peter, what do you recommend for when you're wanting to film in a high frame rate which is only available in 1080p?
I often filmed 1080p in 120fps in the A7iii and almost exclusively filmed horizontally
I know if a person shoots fairly or badly from the way they hold their phone while shooting, like when I asked a friend to take a picture for me and then I corrected him, but still it was a bad picture, because they lack taste.
thank you
No prob
Nice. Here's shooting style:
Shoot 3840x2160, then:
reduce aspect ratio to 2 : 1 3840x1920 for horizontals
pull 9 : 16 1920x1080 vertical video from the same horizontally captured source footage
what would be the highest shutterspeed you would use when shooting 4k24fps? would i be able to film a workout hoops video without to much blur or should i stick with 1080p 100fps
If I’m choosing to film in 24fps it’s probably bc I want the look that brings, so I’d likely choose to keep a natural 1/50 shutter. In general though when filming action in slow motion I like to overcrank my shutter to around 1/400 or so to get a more frantic and gittery look
@@petersarellas appreciate the answer. So if i get u right im better off filming action in 1080 with a higher framerate even though i want max quality since my camera can only go to 4k24 ?
The only problem for me is, I have to choose between either 4k in 25ps, or FullHD in 50fps with my camera. When shooting Full HD, Im missing resolution for 9:16 video when cropping. Even 4:5. Should I shoot everything in 4k in a lower frame rate, or accept loss of quality when upscaling Full HD?
Totally depends what you want to film and what kind of style you wanna go with. Would recommend to film all normal shots in 4k 25fps. If you need slow mo shots, you have to go with 1080p 50fps so you can reduce the clip speed to 50%.
amazing explainer
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Sound effect at 5:13?
Simple but true
What camera and lens are you using to record yourself in this video? the quality is great
Thank you! Sony A7IV and Sony 20mm f1.8
I don't have 4k
I shoot vegetarian recipes, but I'm having troubles, coz I shoot vertical for Instagram & for RUclips horizontal.
I use my smartphone, that doesn't support 4k
So I'm worried
Great reasoning behind shooting horizontal is the future repurposing (as you mentioned). That reason alone is worth not shooting vertically.
Absolutely!
Learned this with you back in The Dialog days!
Man that was a long while ago! Those were awesome times
@@petersarellas time flies!
Both methods have their place. I shoot cinematic stories and yt shorts where I make use of the auto loop.
Shooting horizontally creates completely different compositions where I'm having a hard time deciding what to frame in post. I always compose for what the sensor shows me. So naturally I get drawn to an image that will look good horizontally.
Shooting vertically eliminates that problem by limiting me to this very format. In post I work with images that I have already nailed how I want them to look --> carefree editing.
This would not work if I'd run and gun. Therefore shooting horizontally works better, because movement happens from left to right more often, like you described.
Like I said, both methods have their place. You need to decide where to use which tool.
Why don’t cameras have some way to frame vertically with a little mask or something even my Mavic 3
Pro does.
It's all solved by shooting in 4x3 or full sensor "open gate" on my Lumix. Shoot landscape and yet have a very tall frame so you can easily get portrait /vertical edits out of the footage. No problem. There's no need for this either /or discussion. I bought my camera specifically for these capabilities. Thank you.
As I understand your point this isn't the case for everybody. Just your opinion. My experience is opposite to yours. When shooting for vertical delivery I only shoot vertically. This allows me to retain quality, gives me real bokeh, I can frame the subject the way I want it without the need to "fix" in post and especially during live event shooting saves time in post. Cutting out from a horizontal image will always lose quality. I can Imagine your workflow is for small time creators, hobbyist that need that file for a showreel later or total beginners. When it comes to distortion it's your job as a DP how each glass distorts and how to set up the shot.
All in all I would some up your advice as an advice from someone who's experiencing Dunning-Kruger effect.
So, shooting vertical puts the softest parts of the lens at the top and bottom of your video. It’s more intelligent to crop the center of the horizontal frame and eliminate those weak areas. And DP’s don’t shoot vertical videos. 😂
I shot a bunch of footage for a client using a GoPro Hero 11, which has a 7:8 sensor, using full-frame. This gives options for several aspect ratios in post. Also shot some tracking shots straight down with a drone, tracking horizontally, which could easily be turned vertical in post. I prefer horizontal for most projects, and fully agree that vertical is a fad and dedicated vertical video won't age well.
This is where canon made a smart decision with the c70. They made it so you can shoot vertically or horizontally.
For real! That camera looks sweet.
I don’t have 4k 100 or 120 fps so sorry Peter but I’m staying on that 1080 vertical.
In France I’m not able to make enough money to buy new equipment. A6400 since october 2020
This is just my take and by no means law haha. As long as what you do is working for you keep on doing your thing!
I think filming horizontal gives you more room to keep the object centered in post.
For sure!
Well, he showed that in the video.
@@prottentogoLol I think he missed that part 😂
Thanks bro, hug!)
Hug!! 😂
I shoot horizontal now with the a7iv 4k60 and it’s so much better than vertical with the a7iii, I find that it’s also a lot better when trying to do certain effects that need that extra room, but for some reason I still don’t get that crispy quality I see other with the same setup get😂
A7iv 4k60 is crazy clean! I absolutely love the look and it was a huge step up for me as well when I first went up to it from the A7iii
@@petersarellas yea it’s great but every time I upload on Instagram my quality looks average, I’ve tried all nitrate settings and nothing changes, I’ve had people record in the same lighting have better looking footage with an a7iii, and I’m also exposing correctly for a cinetone and slog3 😭
@@dgvisualmedia what lens u use bos
Wow, you did a great job of explaining your use case and why it's better to shoot horizontally. I am struggling with this as a new content creator myself. I personally enjoy watching movies in the theater and on my wide screen TV, and just tolerate vertical content on my phone. I was watching a show with my wife last night and it was full cinema style, wide as heck with anamorphic flares. My goal is to someday get to the point where I can create a cinematic movie or documentary, not something goofy that gets a bunch of likes and is ephemeral.
That’s definitely the goal! I love social content but making something in widescreen that has the time to tell a real story is something to aspire to for sure
I’m shooting with Sony, have you ever had you videos saved in camera as vertical when not shooting vertical to begin with?
I think it depends on the orientation of the camera when you first press record. Hasn’t happened to me where it saves differently than how I intend but it’s an easy fix either way thankfully.
Appreciate the response, I also asked all my video friends and it never happened to any of em but I was holding my rig buy my side so that may have been the issue but thanks again for the response
It never fit the screen when i edit my videos shooting horizontally.
I feel like people that say this just don't have a good enough or practical enough vertical cage setup, so instead they have to justify shooting horizontal for something that is going straight to instagram. We all want to look super professional for the client, with the mattbox and monitor setup and it looks silly when you have to turn your camera vertical. The only way I can really believe any of these justifications is if I see that you can actually rig up your camera for vertical shooting without looking silly. Than I know its your choice to shoot horizontal.
I just saw a guy on TikTok with over 200K followers who has his camera mounted on his helmet vertically. I was wondering if it's because his videos are tailored for TikTok. Now, I'll watch your video to see what you have to say about itz
Any sort of cinema rig or rig with a monitor makes shooting vertical pretty much impossible, and the vertical rigs are too much of a hassle to setup… for me atleast. Horizontal everyday of the week!
If I don’t have 4K, do you think I should record vertically?
That’s a tough question that depends on what camera you’re using/the quality of the video you’re shooting, the type of content you’re shooting, where you’re sharing your content as well as your expectations and personal preferences so it’s tough for me to give you a straight answer to that.
depends what's your purpose
No, just shoot horizontal, honestly for social media no one will notice. They will notice if your video isnt lit or your not in focus or audio is dreadful.
I would frame my camera with a 9x16 grid via monitor so in post you don’t have to crop so much.
Meh, I am closing in on 500k/yr from video work and as an agency and I am ALWAYS vertical now. You can still shoot 4k vertically and nothing is posted horizontal any more.
Horizontal all the way. Shooting mainly between 20mm and 50mm while shooting vertical and even cropping to vertical loses so much of that larger than life feel. I do edit for square and have been using vertical banners to fill the 9:16 spaces, but I feel like fighting the good fight of 16:9 is worth it.
What if I cant film at 4K
6k opengate is the key i think
Recorded horizontally:)
The only reason I would think about shooting in horizontal would be to be able to use it later (and the ability to pan left to right). Other than that, if I know I will definitely use it for reels etc. I will shoot vertical as framing is much precise, 4k to 1080p downsample produces much sharper images, I have the option to digitally zoom in in post.
Um but I always use best lenses for vertical shooting to minimize distortion, sharpness problems etc, when rotated everything sideways..
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I guess i made the mistake of shooting all my shorts vertically and in youtube default app lmao
Nobody’s perfect hahahah
clients who asks for vertical videos usually expects our services to be way cheaper than horizontal videos; that in itself speaks volumes about the professional status - or its lack of - of vertical vidz.. 🤣🤣🤣
UHD is scalable with 1080 and 720. True 4K is not
Yeah but you loose resolution by doing this.
They will be knocking down wide screen cinemas to build tall skinny ones. The world has gone insane!
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Or... hear me out, you turn your camera 90deg, you use your entire sensor, you use lenses as they were designed instead of shooting wider than you need to (no distortion around the top and bottom edges) and then you downscale 4k to 1080p exactly 4:1 and get superb noise performance and sharpness. I think everything you said is a load of bollocks
Exactly!
Show your work don’t just give an opinion, you have no reference of your own
"Or... hear me out, you turn your camera 90deg, you use your entire sensor"
No it doesn't.
Shooting horizontally and cropping in 4k or not u always losing quality and getting noise introduced when cropping to 1080 and not to mention when you want to do slo motion shots, u will find that not everyone owns a camera that does 4k 120 so imagine shooting 1080 to get slo motion the amount of noise ul be getting not to mention shooting slo mo already requires alot of lighting to remove the grain it makes it much worse when you have to now crop in. Going wider means losing more detail when you crop in.
Just an opinion
Correct
I don’t have a 4K camera so when I shoot for social media, I shoot vertical
Yeah that’s valid
@@petersarellas would this be a legitimate reason to film vertically? I have a sony a7ii(no 4k) and have been shooting horizontally and when I go to edit 9:16, the quality totally gets diminished. Would this be the reason why?
@@teraho-tran3566 you are technically upscaling your image to fit the frame if you shoot HD and stretch to fill vertical so it’s valid but also if you shoot really good looking footage (i.e. properly exposed, well lit, possibly 10-bit colour, etc) then you can scale up to fill from vertical and it still looks good. I always shot 1080p 120fps horizontally with my A7iii when I had it and always upscaled that to vertical and it looked good most of the time.
@@petersarellas Thank you so much for your reply! So from what it sounds like, it could be my camera settings while I am shooting?
No just kee to the first line!
Stop shooting vertical video.
Just stop, always film correctly and then cut and upload
Your voice is monotone throughout all of your videos boss. Speak with some enthusiasm, change up the tone or pace because it gets unbearable sometimes.
I cringe whenever I see someone shooting in verticals lol
You’re never going to need that much resolution for something that is being displayed on a vertical device.
Having the option to reframe in post is awesome compared to not being able to get anything back if filming vertical
100% agree! The cringe can be very real haha
> *Having the option to reframe in post is awesome compared to not being able to get anything back if filming vertical*
THIS is what bugs me the most about people shooting in vertical when the case doesn't call for it - and people who go "Oh BuT PeOpLe WaTcH oN SmArT DeViCeS!" to justify it (ignoring that people watching on them =/= "people exclusively watch on those devices (people still watch on TVs and computer monitors), and that tablets are more rectangular or square (and that you can watch horizontally recorded video by turning your smart phone).
You can go from horizontally to vertical - kinda hard to go the other way areound w/o quality loss.
Years later and I still don't understand why vertical video is even a thing....
have you ever held a phone?