I shot vertical maybe 2 times then went back to horizontal and just cropping. .First of all, when using wider lenses vertically you are using the worst part of the lens and the distortion and quality in the corners is usually horrible. Second, You will regret down the road that you film some amazing things and are stuck with vertical only. Third, I have never had any complaints about shooting horizontally and just cropping to vertical from any of my clients..Not to mention most of my clients want all 3 formats for social networks and ads...
You hit the nail on the head, 100% Option 2 has been my favorite, the ability to actually be able to repurpose your footage instead of it being stuck in vertical is so valuable. I can't tell you how many times I used to shoot in vertical and then looked back at it and was like, crap, this would've been such a great shot for the showreel 😅 I've never had a client complain either, in fact the response has been the opposite, they're even more stoked because it means they're able to have us repurpose footage for other platforms for them. That's been a game changer. That being said, I have had a few instances where filming in vertical did make sense, but I think it makes more sense to lean towards not flipping the camera or opting for an open gate option if I can.
I rarely shoot vertical. I do like you do. I shoot horizontal then crop. The main reason is because when shooting on a wide lens you get distortion on the corners. That distortion is now your top and bottom and it doesn’t look good. Plus I can repurpose the footage for reels and TikTok with horizontal stacked video.
Agreed, that's a big one for me too, when your shooting in vertical, you almost always have to opt for a wider lens in order to make up for the lack of room horizontally in your frame. Which in turn can add vignetting or chromatic aberration... which doesn't always render the results I want.
Buy the iPhone 15 Pro Max. You'll frame and film faster, it looks incredible and you'll make more money. Btw I just sold a 6K Pro. There's too much compromise
Ima be honest this video might hurt you more than it will help you. Flip your cam for vertical and benefit from the quality. Unless you only have time for 1 shot. Then use reframe
You can always tell when it's horizontal cropped to vertical. The framing is different, the expectations for what a vertical video is used for are different. When I watch vertical content, I expect to see a phone video. So matching that framing, showing more of the legs, having the depth match instead of being a cropped in version of a 4k shot, it's all noticeable. You also get the ability to crop in even more that way. The only time I shoot horizontal for vertical is if there's only time for 1 shot or if it's a talking head/podcast where it's going to be clipped for social. A lot of the time I'll beg and plead for vertical specific clips, especially since the content that goes on tik tok/reels is usually pretty different than what you'd see for a RUclips ad, promo video on a website, or narrative piece. Different shots for different content.
@djr8179 If you are using a frame guide for 9x16, how can you tell its cropped? Especially if you are strictly working within your guides. I am very specifically speaking to shooting with an interest in vertical ONLY footage, while shooting horizontally. If you are shooting in this manner, your horizontal video composition wont be ideal and you will likely need to crop/zoom in post. In that case you would likely deliver in 1920x1080 only for the better resolution.
We shoot in 4k, edit in a 2160x3840 timeline then export the Final Cut as a 1080x1920 file, that way it just downscales when you export. No need for cropping or zooming in post @@FlingerFilms
@@FlingerFilms Oh gotcha, I think they're referring to how when you crop in to get a vertical frame on a horizontal shot you can sometimes just tell by the look of it that it was shot horizontally and cropped after the fact, because you don't get distortion around the edges like you would if you flipped the camera. It just has a slightly different look. I think this is something that's important to keep in mind when you consider what platform your distributing on, or even your audience, because sometimes a vertical phone video is better received than something shot cinematically on social platforms because it feels "inauthentic" to the viewer. Curious to hear your thoughts on that, A lot of times what happens (we've found in running social media accounts) is that users tend to scroll past videos that look more professional because they think its an ad. I realize I'm taking the conversation in a totally different direction but I think at the deeper root of the discussion as a whole, it all just comes down to what tool and method is best for the job. 🙂
@ryanluth I'm not a gear head but I feel like it's the best point of the new full frame Blackmagic you can shoot 3:2 it make thing so much easier for vertical content
I'm curious if you have any experience with 6K open gate??? I'm probably going to snag a Cinema 6K FF and it seems like it might be a good way to tackle both. Shoot with 2:1 in mind, then have 9:16 crop room available.
I like to shoot vertical when I know that the end use is only going to be vertical. But when I have to deliver both I only shoot horizontal for the same reasons you do. I'm not going to waste time shooting both. You know if you had an 8k camera you could be shooting vertical only and crop you horizontal footage out of that! LOL!
100% Agree. I always shoot 16:9 4K. Works perfectly every time and like you sat, give yourself a little breathing room in frame. I explained this to a 'filmmaker' who was baffled! I suggested he requested a refund from the media school he attended
Interestingly, I've just ditched my 6K Pro and opted for an iPhone 15 Pro Max as it suits my present client needs: Home improvement videos - before and afters, social ads and customer interviews. The speed I can work without having to swap lenses and rebalancing of my Ronin 3 Pro is astonishing. No gimbal need and log footage is phenomenal. Plus I can work around the tradesman and clients without getting in the way. Please take a look at this type of film-making as it pays well and the work is long-term brand building. @@ryanluth
😂@@WasabiNoise Alright alright... gotta give the people what they want. If an ugly Christmas sweater is truly what you desire, Click this link to receive holiday attire: amzn.to/41e3Sl8
That camera in general is the best camera for SoMe video there is... no argue. I shoot C70 as A cam, R5C as B cam and R3 for photos. (and C cam). The 8K and 6K and RAW in all the cameras is all great... but never am I using it, none of it :P The perfect camera in my world would be a Full frame C70 with 6K resolution but yeah, the perfect camera dosent exist hehe @@ryanluth
That would be a killer camera! (and then if they made it into a box camera ergonomics...? Game over in my opinon.🤑 But alas you are right, there truly is no perfect camera haha@@baekmedier
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How do you shoot vertical videos? Would love to hear your thoughts!
I shot vertical maybe 2 times then went back to horizontal and just cropping. .First of all, when using wider lenses vertically you are using the worst part of the lens and the distortion and quality in the corners is usually horrible. Second, You will regret down the road that you film some amazing things and are stuck with vertical only. Third, I have never had any complaints about shooting horizontally and just cropping to vertical from any of my clients..Not to mention most of my clients want all 3 formats for social networks and ads...
You hit the nail on the head, 100% Option 2 has been my favorite, the ability to actually be able to repurpose your footage instead of it being stuck in vertical is so valuable. I can't tell you how many times I used to shoot in vertical and then looked back at it and was like, crap, this would've been such a great shot for the showreel 😅
I've never had a client complain either, in fact the response has been the opposite, they're even more stoked because it means they're able to have us repurpose footage for other platforms for them. That's been a game changer.
That being said, I have had a few instances where filming in vertical did make sense, but I think it makes more sense to lean towards not flipping the camera or opting for an open gate option if I can.
@@ryanluth Yes indeed, I agree 100%
I rarely shoot vertical. I do like you do. I shoot horizontal then crop. The main reason is because when shooting on a wide lens you get distortion on the corners. That distortion is now your top and bottom and it doesn’t look good.
Plus I can repurpose the footage for reels and TikTok with horizontal stacked video.
Agreed, that's a big one for me too, when your shooting in vertical, you almost always have to opt for a wider lens in order to make up for the lack of room horizontally in your frame. Which in turn can add vignetting or chromatic aberration... which doesn't always render the results I want.
Really good quality video. Could listen to you all day. FYI I never usually comment on RUclips videos, so thanks. Keep going
Love this video! Seems like it is time for that Open Gate Black Magic camera or the S5iiX 😎
Thanks man! Yeah it just might be... another tool for the ever evolving
toolbox!
Buy the iPhone 15 Pro Max. You'll frame and film faster, it looks incredible and you'll make more money. Btw I just sold a 6K Pro. There's too much compromise
@@Mr_Kennethhahaha no
This was gas thanks bro
Cool quality of this video man!
Thanks dude!!
Ima be honest this video might hurt you more than it will help you.
Flip your cam for vertical and benefit from the quality.
Unless you only have time for 1 shot. Then use reframe
Appreciate the alternative perspective!
You can always tell when it's horizontal cropped to vertical. The framing is different, the expectations for what a vertical video is used for are different. When I watch vertical content, I expect to see a phone video. So matching that framing, showing more of the legs, having the depth match instead of being a cropped in version of a 4k shot, it's all noticeable. You also get the ability to crop in even more that way.
The only time I shoot horizontal for vertical is if there's only time for 1 shot or if it's a talking head/podcast where it's going to be clipped for social. A lot of the time I'll beg and plead for vertical specific clips, especially since the content that goes on tik tok/reels is usually pretty different than what you'd see for a RUclips ad, promo video on a website, or narrative piece. Different shots for different content.
Great insight! (that's also a fair point about being able to tell when it's been cropped...)
@djr8179 If you are using a frame guide for 9x16, how can you tell its cropped? Especially if you are strictly working within your guides. I am very specifically speaking to shooting with an interest in vertical ONLY footage, while shooting horizontally. If you are shooting in this manner, your horizontal video composition wont be ideal and you will likely need to crop/zoom in post. In that case you would likely deliver in 1920x1080 only for the better resolution.
We shoot in 4k, edit in a 2160x3840 timeline then export the Final Cut as a 1080x1920 file, that way it just downscales when you export. No need for cropping or zooming in post
@@FlingerFilms
@@ryanluth yes I understand that..
My question is @djrt8179 regarding how they were able to tell it was a crop....etc etc
@@FlingerFilms Oh gotcha, I think they're referring to how when you crop in to get a vertical frame on a horizontal shot you can sometimes just tell by the look of it that it was shot horizontally and cropped after the fact, because you don't get distortion around the edges like you would if you flipped the camera. It just has a slightly different look. I think this is something that's important to keep in mind when you consider what platform your distributing on, or even your audience, because sometimes a vertical phone video is better received than something shot cinematically on social platforms because it feels "inauthentic" to the viewer. Curious to hear your thoughts on that, A lot of times what happens (we've found in running social media accounts) is that users tend to scroll past videos that look more professional because they think its an ad. I realize I'm taking the conversation in a totally different direction but I think at the deeper root of the discussion as a whole, it all just comes down to what tool and method is best for the job. 🙂
@ryanluth I'm not a gear head but I feel like it's the best point of the new full frame Blackmagic you can shoot 3:2 it make thing so much easier for vertical content
Open gate is the way to go if you have the ability to do it, I agree!
Frohe Weinachten ;) For many projects I just use open gate to crop to 9:16.
Love it! Ich wünsche dir alles Gute!
I'm curious if you have any experience with 6K open gate??? I'm probably going to snag a Cinema 6K FF and it seems like it might be a good way to tackle both. Shoot with 2:1 in mind, then have 9:16 crop room available.
Haven't tried it yet! I've been meaning to though for those exact reasons, would love to be able to have even more of that frame flexibility in post
I like to shoot vertical when I know that the end use is only going to be vertical. But when I have to deliver both I only shoot horizontal for the same reasons you do. I'm not going to waste time shooting both. You know if you had an 8k camera you could be shooting vertical only and crop you horizontal footage out of that! LOL!
Haha true! 8K sure would be handy for such things
Amazing!!!!!
Im still waiting for a square sensor camera tbh
Hi! How did you get the writing to move?
100% Agree. I always shoot 16:9 4K. Works perfectly every time and like you sat, give yourself a little breathing room in frame. I explained this to a 'filmmaker' who was baffled! I suggested he requested a refund from the media school he attended
Yes The ability to reframe in post is very useful! If you have the option for open gate though... that's hands down the best I think
Interestingly, I've just ditched my 6K Pro and opted for an iPhone 15 Pro Max as it suits my present client needs: Home improvement videos - before and afters, social ads and customer interviews. The speed I can work without having to swap lenses and rebalancing of my Ronin 3 Pro is astonishing. No gimbal need and log footage is phenomenal. Plus I can work around the tradesman and clients without getting in the way. Please take a look at this type of film-making as it pays well and the work is long-term brand building. @@ryanluth
never ever shot vertical... always did it this way... multiformat!!
This video could’ve been done in less than five minutes. But still appreciate the work.
Thanks, Looks like there's your inspiration to go make a video ;)
Where can I buy that outfit 🥵
lol
Same... It was so annoying that he talked about the topic of the video instead of what the audience wants, THE OUTFIT! Just kidding Ryan, great video!
😂@@WasabiNoise Alright alright... gotta give the people what they want. If an ugly Christmas sweater is truly what you desire,
Click this link to receive holiday attire: amzn.to/41e3Sl8
Or just rent a C70 🤓
The solution is getting Panasonic and shoot opengate ;) all your problems for SoMe is going away... (Panasonic Lumix DC-S5 IIX)
Your welcome.
I was expecting something like this when I clicked on the video haha
hahah I had to go there :P ... I dont even shoot Lumix my self. @@WasabiNoise
Haha I agree, I've very seriously considered pulling the trigger on this many times, open gate is a game changer for sure!!
That camera in general is the best camera for SoMe video there is... no argue.
I shoot C70 as A cam, R5C as B cam and R3 for photos. (and C cam). The 8K and 6K and RAW in all the cameras is all great... but never am I using it, none of it :P
The perfect camera in my world would be a Full frame C70 with 6K resolution but yeah, the perfect camera dosent exist hehe @@ryanluth
That would be a killer camera! (and then if they made it into a box camera ergonomics...? Game over in my opinon.🤑 But alas you are right, there truly is no perfect camera haha@@baekmedier
Great Video Man! I just followed you guys on IG.
Thanks so much dude! Means a lot :)