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10 Bit Raw Cinematic Video with a Smartphone. MOTIONCAM APP!
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Smartphone cinematography is possible!
Iphone 14 PRO and Iphone PRO MAX can record 10 bit Pro-Res format which is pretty impressive and efficient for a smartphone camera. Besides Iphones also Android phone cameras lately coming with sensors can produce 10 bit RAW images. Most of the newer Android phones can capture 24 to 60 raw images per second which is also called "10 bit RAW Video Recording". I tried to explain the process as simple as possible about capability of some of these phones, additional apps and softwares.
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I had my S22 Ultra for over a year and NEVER knew it could record 10 bit RAW.. WOW!
With the new update, you can even record 12bit raw with s22 Ultra!
@@kitchenraw can u upload some 12 bit raw for s22??
@@praveenbhat5392 I will definitely do that when I have time :D
@Toto Moul's L'application motioncam app n'est pas encore parfaite, mais les développeurs continuent de la mettre à jour et de corriger les problèmes. Tôt ou tard ça marchera mieux je pense.
@RAW KITCHEN how do you shoot in 12 bit?
Everyone is encouraged to purchase the pay version, both out of respect for the developers and in your own interest. The price is peanuts compared to what others charge, not to mention the growing tendency toward pay-as-you-go licenses. This still buys you the very best smartphone video app around, no holds barred - trust me, I have extensively worked with all the main ones. I do not denigrate anyone, I just say that MotionCam is unbelievable. If you do not want 10-bit raw, there are several good alternatives. But if you do, think about what you would have to dish out should MotionCam stop developing the app.
Thanks for the input! I also love the app and appreciate the developers. They opened up a whole new level of video recording for me, it is life changing!
If this is true... It's insane coming out of a phone camera.
I mean, I notice the noisy areas in the dark shadows when lifted, but heck... It's possible?
I'm impressed...
Yes that is true. There are other videos online you can find, or you can download and try. Unprocessed raw images coming from the camera can be really noisy in the dark, that's why they put a feature in the app called "noise reduction by stacking" which works well. Some of the footages in my videos have this feature off and some of them are on.
@@kitchenraw I am really impressed by the video. Well produced.
I'm just wondering why Samsung or Google wouldn't offer this feature in their standard photos app if the phone/camera is capable?
It looks like its the app that unlocks this feature in the camera...
And yes, the noisy areas is due to low sensor sizes etc. It wasn't to critique. I am truly impressed of the outcome from a PHONE!
It's truly insane.
@Patrick Echers Thank you 🙏🙏. I think they are avoiding this feature because the videos take crazy amount of space. 1 minute long raw video is taking 14 to 20 gbyte of space in your hard drive, it records almost the same size as my Black Magic Cinema Camera. Another problem is that the workflow is too complicated and takes a lot of time. The best they can do is maybe producing 10bit prores videos like iPhone 14 Pros, but raw video recording can get complicated to proccess. Even recording raw videos with a dedicated cinema camera is complicated 😕
I understand these were test shots but they are quite artistic and your relaxed voice and the perfect music makes for quite the mysterious short film... the plot is coming together in my head :D Is it possible to shoot 12-bit RAW, or is that something limited to the R5 and Nikon Z8?
Haha thank you! For Samsung Galaxy s24 Ultra, I can see "RAW SENSOR 10" and "RAW SENSOR" options. The first one records 10bit definitely, I heard some people mentioned that "RAW SENSOR" option records 12bit (depending on the phone) never had a detailed test on it tho.
I'm impressed,really a nice video. Great presentation of the app. Motion Cam is one of the best apps out there for filming, it's worth also the money that I have paid for the pro version. Keep filming ✌
Thanks for the tips!
Awesome little video. I've got the S23 ultra and was looking at mcpro24fps earlier this evening. Ordered a cpl and vnd filter. I have an a6300 but it only exports 8-bit and color grading is remarkable. I am hoping BlackMagic makes and android app that matches their iPhone version. Thanks again for the video.
Thank you!!!
I’m currently rehousing a cellphones internals with its 1” sensor and turning it into a box style cinema camera using MotionCam. Tilt screen and a custom USB adapter for I/O - audio and HDMI output.
My next project might be rehousing a broken iPhone 14 in the same way for the Blackmagic camera app.
These projects sound amazing. My brother also makes 3D printed medium format cameras, and that's really fun. I really like innovative imaging alternatives. Are you on any platform like Instagram or RUclips? I would love to see your stuff.
Really nice video.
Thanks to motioncam RAW video is finally possible now as it's the first and only app available with dedicated RAW video :)
@@kitchenraw Atleast they are giving an open for all app with most iconic primary functions. When compared to Subsciption model of certain apps it's still much better.
I just bought the app last month for my personal projects and to support the dev & team making this one of a kind project independently.
Still the one time payement has much more value to give than what it asks for in long term as the app gets better.
Mcpro24FPS, MotionCam Pro & Davinci Resolve Studio are one of those softwares that I really respect for the value they provide.
@@iamakkkshay Agreed! There are still innovative companies like Motioncam App and Davinci providing amazing services for free.
You should try the new astrophotography mode on the s22. I heard it's really good
I will try to do that next!
man, amazing results! thanks for the video!
🙏🙏
Wowww im super impressed, looks like my 6k pro hahaha
I know right! It reminds me the bmpcc too
Bro , can u make a video on how you colorgarde the footages shoot with motion cam app.
I will make a more detailed review soon!!
Looking for a new phone, which phone do you recommend for raw video, pixel 7 or Samsung S22/23. Is the workflow reliable now, any issues ? I had a lot buggy moments before using my old phone, are the new phones better now. Just curious.
I heard s23 works without a problem with motioncam. Workflow is the same for all phones.
The quality is insane! Have you already done any tests recording in Direct Log, in ProRes, testing the time capacity without dropping frames on the S23u?
Yeah, right! Everyone should talk about this, haha. Yes, I tried the log profile and rendered it as ProRes. This is an old video btw, now I use Galaxy s24 U, but I've never tested the longevity. My longest video I recorded was 3 minutes long in a concert without having a single dropped frame. I think it mostly relies on the processor, cpu, and ram.
@@kitchenraw Thanks for responding. I would like to have more information about the S24, what do you tell me about the experience with it together with the motioncam, is it as good as the S23 ultra? I ask because I'm thinking about purchasing one.
@user-pf8fw8cz5d Mine works without any problem with Motioncam, I haven't tested in detail, but all cameras are able to capture 24 to 30fps raw captures. Motioncam developers have a Discord account. You can go and ask every detail about the app, updates, and compatibility. They've been really responsive and helpful. Here is the link for their Discort: discord.com/invite/motioncam-raw-video-980884979955421255
Nice shot!
Thank you!!
great video i will try on my PIXEL 5
s21 ultra is block to 10bit 30fps?
No hdr 12bits like dng photo? No 60fps? pff
motionCam does not have lossy dng for reducing file size at recording? only after recording?
It's magic of post production on davinci resolve or Adobe premium pro
It's more like "magic of tge high bitrate raw video." I used Davinci Resolve, but you can do it in Premiere, or any other video editing app too.
very impressive mate. good job👍
Thank you!
Not working at all for me on the S23+. The videos are VERY noisy even in high light and the autofocus isn't working. I think an update has messed things up
Noise is normal bc they are raw captures, no post proccesing at all. When you are rendering out your files, you should choose "frame stacking for noise reduction," and that will give you the files without the noise. I know they also stopped working for S21 Ultra. You can reach the app developers from Discord and ask what the problem is. They are pretty responsive! I hope it works. Good luck!
Here is their Duscord account: discord.com/invite/motioncam-raw-video-980884979955421255
Thanks for your input, great video! Do you see difference in dynamic range or highlight recovery possibilities between these models? The s22, s21 ultra, note 20 and the pixel 7 pro? I would guess the colours are nice in all of them but does one of them hold up highlights better without blowing out & with nicer roll off that the others?
Honestly, no. I can't even tell the difference bc all the smartphones are using similar sensors. Small sensors create noise in general unless you are using a phone camera with a 1-inch or bigger sensor size like Sony or Xiaomi 12s Ultra.
S23 and S24 use 1/1.3 inch sensors, which is more or less similar to the so-called 1-inch sensors. They're all pretty small, but are better compared to older smartphone sensors or the ones in wide angle and telephoto phone lenses
motion cam take more space and it take lot of processing time
Yes. It is normal if you like to get cinema grade footage 10/12 bit. Normally, when you record raw with cinema camera's like Black Magic, Sony or Red, you will have the same processing time and procedure with huge file size.
@@kitchenraw hummmmmmmmmmm
devreleri yakıp full frame dslr alacaktım ama sanırım google pixel pro 8 alıp bunun la film çekicem :) raw+ lut 24fps yallah. ne dersin
DSLR cok seven biriyim fakat sanirim o devir bitiyor. Artik daha kompakt kameralarin donemi basladi. Pixel 8 pro inanilmaz bi kameraya sahip ve Motioncam app le cok uyumlu çalisiyor. Tavsiye ederim mutlaka. Uzun kayit yapmak istiyorsan, film cekmek gibi, extradan SSD hafiza karti almalisin cunku videolar cok fazla yer kapliyor. Bol şans!!
This is ... A discovery man !!! 10bit raw footage from a phone is unbelievable !! Does it work with an S20 ?
Yes, it is insane! And I am really curious why no is talking about this, right? It should work with most of the phones with a camera that can capture raw images. Videos are taking too much space in your phone also. I used to be able to record with Note 20 Ultra before never tried s20. You can download the free version to your s20 and try it first. 😉
8:48 at what fps and shutter is this footage here recorded, looks good.
30 fps
@@kitchenraw It was not slowed down?
@@Jthe5th No, it's not slowed down, I think he is jamming in slow motion in his head :D
Can you please suggest me a video tutorial or something where i can learn to process these raw files and editing and export settings, I'm new to videos and have no experience in the post processing of these raw files.
This one explains very well. ruclips.net/video/rPsugRO9OOY/видео.htmlsi=wP5AQ58RP7R7YQgF
@@kitchenraw Thank you I watched this video and similar ones and understood everything, BTW your videos are amazing
Awesome - I have an s22 and just discovered it shoots 10 bit and 4k. Who knew. Anyway, I plan to play with it more and compare footage to my DLSR. I've heard that the Samsung Expert RAW is not really RAW but baked with AI formulated sharpening, etc. So this may be a great alternative. Just wondering if you have also tried recording in a log or flat profile and how you would do that.
Thank you so much! Finally, someone is telling me not to to use Expert Raw :) I ve been trying to explain why Expert Raw is not actually Raw. I hate the oversharpened, unrealistic look of it. Maybe good for daily use and good for people who are not good with technology :) I used the log also flat profile with prores format, which is only available for Motioncam Pro. I tried color grading with Davinci, and it looks identical to Raw recording and it is easier to handle, edit etc. I am mostly explaining the Raw video workflow bc it is available to everyone included with the free version.
song name please. So you suggest the s22 and not the s23 with this app?
S22 and s23 have almost similar set up so they would result almost same.
Ah :) nice to know. It would've been good to mention a rough estimate per minute of the file size no:)))
When you are recording raw video with the Motioncam app, it actually shows you how much space your video gets instantly on the top of your screen. The app is free btw, you can download and test it ;)
I saw in another video that for 16 secs it was about 4gb
good info. but i read some reviews from other sources that motion cam while recording, has issues with dropped frames. it's completely unacceptable if it happens even once... :-) that's not what professional videography is about.
Exactly, I agree with you %100. App also glitches, freezes sometimes or not working at all for some phones. I contacted the app developers via their Discord account about the problems. App Developers told me that they are trying to improve the app constantly and there is a stability problem between phone models. I respected their effort bc it is a small team of individual developers. They also mentioned that some phones drops frame in certain settings, but another model is working without problem with same settings. I think you need to play around with your settings (frame rates, bit rates, etc) and find which one works the best. I am also curious if the paid pro version of this app has the same glitches and dropping frames? That wouldn't be cool for the paid version honestly.
@@kitchenraw thanks for detailed answer. in fact, i was almost ready to plunge but now i think I better stay away and wait... b/c even ppl with high end smartphones report having issues...
@milanjani No problem. If you would like to ask about your specific phone model and compatibility, you can ask them via their Discord account here: discord.com/invite/Vy4gQNEdNS
For anyone with an S21 ultra who cant use this Try the app again, previous update accidentally fixed whatever issue was stopping the app from working on snapdragon devices. Was talking with an admin on discord, he was unaware snapdragon devices can use the app now.
This is great news for s21 Ultra owners! Btw are you talking about the free version or the pro version?
@@kitchenraw both worked when I tested them today
@corknakovastein I tried, but it was the same for me, just freezing and not recording. Maybe I should restart my phone and try again.
@@kitchenraw unless it was the last samsung update that fixed it
Great video!!
I noticed you are using Color wheel to change exposure and Whitebalance.
Using DNGs unlocked RAW filter which are better to use. It has more flexibility than Color wheel.
To enable RAW filter, click on icon left of Color checker. Use Decode using as "clip".
Thanks for the info!
i wonder if 10x camera on s21 ultra working with motioncam?
As far as I know, s21 Ultra is not supporting Motioncam anymore.
This is amazing. But given files size you'd have to live with your ssd attached to your phone, right? Any phone recommendation? Currently in the process of upgrading from an S10😊
Yes, but even for professional raw recording cinema cameras, you have to use an SSD attached all the time. This is not a mode that you want to record a birthday party :D This app works best with Galaxy s22 and s22 Ultra, even allowing you to record 12bit raw.
@@kitchenraw na S23 ultra nie działa dobrze?
@@kitchenraw Thx. It'd be interesting to see how the app would work on any of the new (incorrectly called) 1-inch sensor phones: Vivo X90 Pro, Xiaomi 12S U, etc.
Great what about filmic pro
It s a good app and maybe more user-friendly. But I couldn't get the same quality with filmic pro
what are your export settings?
4k 24fps. H264
thx
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Brother good night, a query you render the video within the moment application as well? Or with another external program? I ask you because I see that there is an option to export the dng individually. But I can't figure out how to put it together in frames, I don't know if I'm explaining myself well.
No worries, all good. I think I understand what you meant. I am using the Motioncam desktop version callee "Motioncam Tools."" You can also do the same thing in the app too, but the computer is faster than the phone and easier to manage files. The only thing to know is the free version of the app and desktop software has limitations. I use the pro version which is only available by purchase.
cool! are you using anamorphic lenses here?
No. There are different crop modes with different aspect ratios. It basically crops from the top and bottom
Hello, which gimbal do you use?
Selamlar! I actually didn't use any gimbal, mostly recorded in hand. I only used a portable dolly for one interior shot. This is the dolly I used: amzn.to/3QykBMv
Did you record in this weird aspect ratio? Or crop in post
Good question! It is not a weird aspect ratio :) The app comes with 4:3, 16:9, 1.85:1, 2.39:1, 2.76:1 aspect ratios, which are international standards. So, no. I didn't crop it in the post. I tried different aspect ratios when I was testing the app, so it might change from scene to secene.
@@kitchenraw 2.76 is pretty rare
The winner is S23 Ultra 12gb,,, raw dng 16 bit 🖐😉
I exported prores raw. What camera should I use when doing CST
Can you elaborate your question?
when doing cst you are going to choose the camera right? I don't know what to choose.@@kitchenraw
I thought only iPhone records 10 bit video - why would Samsung not advertise this? I
S22 and probably s23 series can even record 12bit raw. They won't advertise bc video files are huge, like 1 minute raw video takes 15 to 20gbyte of space. They aren't efficient for regular users.
Sony's had 10Bit video since the Xperia 1 came out in May 2019, I have to send all my 10-bit stuff as Rec709 colourpsaced 8-Bit for the majority of my friends to be able to watch the videos as i made them, because their phones dont have 4KHDR displays. Don't know many phones who have 12-bit displays, or TV monitors
So you need to use 3rd party app to shoot raw in s23 ?
Yes exactly!
the app for me freezes after 2 seconds when using raw, everything on the app still works but the video preview freezes
Yeah, motionapp is not stable for all phones, unfortunately. What is your phone model?
@@kitchenraw s21 ultra, apparently it's a snap dragon 888 issue with the app
@corknakovastein Oh, now I understand. I had to sell my s21 Ultra bc of this reason. Mine was the US version. Now I use s22 Ultra
They accidentally fixed the snapdragon issue on the last update. im beyond pumped now
@@kitchenraw
where do i find motion cam video files on s22 ultra?
@@kitchenraw where can i see the videos on my laptop (macos)? How do i export from motion cam and view/edit on my mbp?
@seatha03 Great question! Motioncam has a free app called "Motioncam Tools." for Mac and PC. You can use this link to download it: www.motioncamapp.com/. When you install the software, you can run it and click "Add" and it should automatically find your files in your phone.
what for phone do u use in motioncam? nice result
I used multiple phones and mentioned which phone at the begining at the bottom of the example footage in my video.
@@kitchenraw what for phone was with cadilac???
It was regular Galaxy s22 for that specific footage.
@@kitchenrawbut s22 have exynos CPU , is possible also in 24fps rec??
It looks more like a pro camera, not like an smartphone camera video
Apparently Samsung have limited it so third party apps can't shoot 50-60fps. Do you know any work around for this? The highest frame rate I can get in MotionCam is 30fps, whether HD or UHD. Ugh! Was hoping it'd make a nice b-cam for slow mo shit. Any ideas?!
Interesting. I use Galaxy s23 Ultra, I just checked again after your comment if I am able to record 60fps or not. I can record 60fps, no problem. Test video I just did was with the main camera, I didn't have time checking all cameras on 60fps tho.
@kitchenraw dang. Mine's a s22u. According to motioncam it's a,samsung update that broke it.
@FrankCastleTIG Oh man, sorry for that. The same thing happened to me with my s21 Ultra, it just stopped working completely after UI5 update
@FrankCastleTIG Btw. Motioncam developers are really responsive and will answer all your questions (they answered all my questions before) They ll try to fix your problem, or at least give you a first-hand suggestion. They have a discord account and a community there, here is a link if you need to reach out to them. discord.com/invite/motioncam-raw-video-980884979955421255
@@kitchenraw great. Thanks!
what happen to the guy at 8:50?
😆
When you're exporting: ProRes is better than DNG? Or even Cineform? Which one is the best in your opinion?
It is almost no difference between raw dng and prores. But dng gives you more flexibility when color grading.
@@kitchenraw Thanks man! I'm just messing w/ DNG right now :)
Amazing results! I have a question: Is there a difference in performance between the S21 and the S22?
Yes, s22 has better cameras in general. Check this link, there is comparisons down there under camera specs. m.gsmarena.com/compare.php3?idPhone1=10626&idPhone2=11253
How can i edit on mobile 10bit video?
I am not sure if you can edit raw video files from your phone. But if you have the Motioncam App Pro, you can save it as a ProRes video format.
@@kitchenraw Thank you ❤️
Exynos or SD on the S22?
Motioncam website says it only works with Snapdragon. Mine is the US version which is Snapdragon
@@kitchenraw no longer true, it is now working also on Exynos S22.
@@romanmihalik3002 That's great news!
Does motion cam work on all the lenses ?
For Samsung Galaxy in general, yes, but I think it also depends on the brand.
Did you use an ND?
No, but that is a good idea!
would it work on S20+ exynos version ?
Honestly, I don't know, but the developers of Motioncam will definitely answer your questions on their Discord account. Here, how you can reach to them: discord.com/invite/motioncam-raw-video-980884979955421255
@@kitchenraw thanks friend! 👍
Use Motioncam Pro?
I used the free version for this video. Now I have the pro version with all the extra features
@@kitchenraw I'm also using the pro version with everything it's entitled to, however, I'm not able to record timelapse in high resolution. When I go to watch the video, it is in low quality. Would there be a correct configuration for high quality recording? Thanks in advance.
@user-ch3iy7wm9f I never tried using timelapse with Motioncam app, I normally use the regular timelapse mode on my Samsung. If you would like to record a raw video, I can help you answer questions about that, but I have no idea how timelapse feature works in this app.
@user-ch3iy7wm9f For Motioncam's Raw Video recording, you need to select "RAW VIDEO" at the bottom first. After recording the video, it will show you the preview in low res format bc they are not a video yet. They are single individual frames. To be able to see the full res video, you need to export it as a video. You can also use the "Motioncam Tools" app from their website to create a video from Raw footage. There are lots of tutorials about how you work on those files on RUclips. It sounds complicated, but it is not when you start learning. I have a black magic cinema camera that takes raw images just like this app, and the process is almost the same.
@@kitchenraw I would like. Thanks.
Any overheating issues with the S23 Ultra?
Phone can get warm, but I can't say overheating.
@@kitchenraw thanks for the info bro. I'm filming insane festivals that I go to in Europe with hundreds of thousands of people and I can't use normal cameras because there's water and rain and heat and dust and crazy partying and the iPhone 13 Pro low light video wasn't as good as I expected plus I think the music blew the mic so I'm looking for the next option
@mpireoutdoors5274 That's so cool!! The motioncam app records incredible quality, but I am not sure if you want to rely on this Motioncam App. I would definitely use an SSD hard drive bc videos are taking crazy amount of space. I wouldn't use it as my primary camera, but it's good for quick b-rolls and etc. Good luck my friend!
nice video! :D well explain and all, there is a telegram group for motion cam if u are interested! :D
There is search AMVR_en
I'll check it out!
@@kitchenraw sure, Many people are there including Sebastian
Can I shoot raw videos on my S23 ?
Yes, you can.
How ?
Please can you make a video on this
264? or hvec?
When I render I use, h264 or h265
These are the opposite of RAW. But between the two it depend on the processing power of your computer or if you want to save storage space. HVEC is a high-quality codec design to save space and reduce file size. The negative is that it take a lot of processing power to decode, which shouldn't be an issue with a modern mid-tier or above computer. H-264 is the legacy codec, a predecessro to HVEC.
mientras menos sepan mejor, jaja
i can barely hear what you're saying
Sorry, that's an older video when I wasn't good at sound editing.
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This is a joke right? Seriously, this cannot be shot on a s22... how is this not known?!
I know, right? It is real. It basically takes 24 to 30 raw pictures per second. Samsung won't advertise this bc videos are huge, and the whole workflow is so complicated for regular users.
@@kitchenraw Man it looks AMAZING, but it shows how good Apples marketing team is. I feel like this looks as good, or even better, as Apple LOG prores, and that shoots huuuuge files as well. But everyone loves it... meanwhile Android apparently has had this tech for a year and nobody knows... Well my mind is made up, I'm sticking with Samsung and not buying the iPhone 15 pro and I'm going to try this out!! Thanks for the video!
@ColinHuijser Yeah, apple is the king of marketing, and they are favored in general bc they are American. Btw, motioncam has this app maybe more than 4 years now. It is not new. There is no marketing team, and the app is just made by 2 humble, nice developer dudes. I am lucky to have had a chance to chat with them on Discord. I also realized it has better than iPhone ProRes bc Samsung can take 10 bit, 12 bit, and 14bit raw frames. I bet the app will be more user friendly innthe future
Nah. It’s the real deal!
really unexpected feature... I was expected, that at least s24 ultra will have *.mov or *.log 10 bit video, but did not see it. Right now it has HEVC video with big bit rate, but....have to check what it exactly is. Because I frustrated with their EXPERTRAW. Idea is cool, but ugly compressed realizations
Agreed! I tried HEVC high bitrate, but it is not bad after color grading. I think Samsung is avoiding this bc the videos takes a lot of space.
Can pixel 6 record directly to ssd?such as samsung T5 or T7
I can't be sure bc I don't have a Pixel 6. Motioncam app is allowing to use the SSD in the app tho, I think if your Pixel 6 is capable of recording 24fps raw video, it should also allow you to record into a SSD.
@@kitchenraw thank you
Buy T5
It better performance than T7.
I know someone who have T7 .
Slower than t5
@@komekko373 thank u I have both of them but I don t have pixel 6 I just want buy it to text the raw video