The Dark Knight Rises: ONE Change That Would Have Made It 1000x BETTER
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- Опубликовано: 5 окт 2024
- Ever since Christopher Nolan's third Batman movie came out, I've been convinced one intrinsic change would have made all the difference, and made it so much better. 1000x better even! This is what I would have altered to The Dark Knight Rises to recontextualize the third act, improve a key conversation and fix the gripe everybody has had with the famed trilogy...
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Batman Begins. 2005. Directed by Christopher Nolan.
The Dark Knight. 2008. Directed by Christopher Nolan.
The Dark Knight Rises. 2012. Directed by Christopher Nolan.
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I got an even better change... cut Talia out of the movie entirely and have Bane be the main villain all the way through.
Yeah or not have that stupid twist of her hidden identity that in hindsight we all should have figured out from the beginning.
Talia did indead not offer much in this movie and the romance with Bruce wasn't very beliveable. Bane being a pupil of the league of shadows would have been enoug and we could have focused on Catwoman more.
@@theomnitorium7476 I don't want to say that it was the worst Nolan film because all of his films are way better than they are bad, but it surely had the most elements that he's improved upon in later films.
@@thechairman74Oh definitely. It is one of his weaker films, but it is still better than most other entries of the superhero genre.
I don't know how much not having Ledger affected his plan for this one because I don't even think he actually planned on doing a third film, or at least he claimed not to. The eight years later thing was a little weird. The whole film was just not tight enough.
Have everyone in the movie talk in the Batman voice, except Batman.
Genius Mr Jameson!
It would be weird,the joker would laugh and every1 else too.
Why do i feel bad forshadowing for this sentence?...
And Batman talks in Catwoman’s voice.
I have such a weird relationship to the voice. I totally acknowledge that it’s kind of silly and super easy to make fun of… but it’s also weirdly iconic to me? Like it feels so normal to hear it when I watch the movies and I don’t think I can even picture him suited up without talking that way… but I also don’t want any of my other Batmen talking that way either.
i think its way better than the digital voice Batfleck got... that one kinda flies under the radar as being horrible
I love it, it was genuinely intimidating in Batman Begins. But it got more ridiculous with each film for some reason.
It's really stupid that bruce keeps using his goofy voice to Robin who literally figured out he was batman.
there's no need is there?!
It's for Bruce's mentality, to ensure there's no risk of him making a mistake as Batman regarding the voice.
Or when he's talking to himself on the rooftop after Catwoman left and he STILL uses the voice ^^
Bruce wayne is the disguise.. batman is his real persona... People often forget that....
The mask is Bruce
I think the voice is actually great in Begins - it's when they started doing it differently in TDK and TDKR that it became a joke. In Begins most of the time it's pretty subtle, and in that interrogation scene it has impact. I can buy that voice paired with that face scaring the shit out of someone he'd just yanked off the street.
I always felt that something people overlooked is that a dude dressed in a bat suit shouting at you in a scratchy voice is scary as hell. It was only because by the Dark Knight that we were so used to it, that it came off as less scary.
Yes, it was great in Begins. When he screams at the cop on the rooftop like a maniac it's scary as hell. And when he later talks to Rachel, he's doing it way less. But than in TDK he's doing it all the time, even during normal conversations, while just standing there in his way less scary suit and it just becomes silly.
Dead space is less scary and old nazi zombie maps=more=less.
i actually find bale’s voice to be pretty good in batman begins, it is dark knight and particularly rises that it gets out of hand
Eh the one change I would have wanted would have been to just completely remove talia, bane standing on his own at the end would have made him so much more threatening
Or, you could have Talia but NO connection between her and Bane. Or even have it that Ra's and Bane sparred, at least, if not straight up Ra's trained Bane at some point before Bane came to Gotham... but like what a mindf**k it could be if Talia just whispered in Bruce's ear at the end, "Daddy says hi." I mean, Nolan was NEVER gonna introduce the Lazarus Pits in his more grounded universe... but it would've blown fans away. Like, Bane is still threatening af, and still the mastermind... but Talia was also around just waiting for Bruce to defeat Bane just to drop the biggest bomb, ever. Ra's is back.
Agreed. The revelation that he was just simping for Talia the whole time robbed him of all agency.
I don’t think revealing Bruce as Batman would have worked for two reasons. One, if Bane had revealed that to Gotham while also revealing Harvey Dent’s crimes and exonerated Batman he would have created a hero out of the city’s most privileged billionaire which would have worked against his class warfare narrative.
Secondly, it would’ve gone against Bruce’s initial mission statement that he lays out to Alfred on the plane in Begins. Bruce Wayne being a fallible, corruptible man could never have the same symbolic power that Batman had as a masked, anonymous hero. The case study of Harvey Dent and how Bruce and Gordon propped him up to be the incorruptible solution to Gotham’s problems and how badly that backfired is proof that Bruce couldn’t be the one who ultimately took the credit for saving the city. It had to be Batman as this anonymous symbol that could be “more than just a man”.
I like the voice it adds dramatic effect and I think it made him sound demonic which is the tone Bale was going for in the dark knight trilogy
I actually never minded his voice, i always liked it, thought it gave him a scarier presence
Admittedly Dark Knight Rises is really fun though- IMO at least. But I mostly agree
The voice has provided such meme material but as a lifelong fan of Knightfall Bane, TDKR Bane disappoints me to no end.
Really? I always thought Bane is by far the best thing about the movie. What bothers you about him?
I think hes a good iteration, would love to see a souped up venom Bane though
RUclips compilations of every Bane scene in DKR is the only parts of the film I still watch.
It would’ve been better if he was Spanish, didn’t have that silly apparatus around his face & instead wore a luchador mask. Basically the Bane we got in Batman Arkham Origins, i remember seeing that Bane & thinking “This would’ve been perfect in TDKR” only instead of the Venom he’s on some sort of addictive steroid like drug.
I absolutely agree. Because of his goofy ass voice, Bane in the Lego Batman movie and the animated Harley Quinn show is ridiculed primarily because he has the voice from this movie. I hate how that has become one of the first things that casual fans would think of when asked about Bane. I love the character so much, and I'm glad he was handled better in Arkham Origins, and some animation (thinking mainly of Mystery of the Batwoman) but this decision for his voice is such an embarrassing moment that keeps being brought up again and again 😓
Bane's reasoning for not revealing the identity was to attempt to prove that 'the batman' as a symbol didn't matter, his desire was to break Bruce by ridding the city of that hope (which bruce obviously wasn't going to allow to happen), its an example of Bane being too overconfident, leading to his downfall later in the film. I understand and agree with your point, but I feel it would've taken alot away from Bane's drive as a character and his eventual fall as a result of him underestimating not just bruce/ Batman but also the city and its people, he also likely knew that revealing Bruce would have only pushed the citizens to rise faster, and look up to a single person, perhaps one of them even attempting to replace the symbol in Bruce's absence after his reveal, break the symbol, not the man. Bane felt he was being smart by not considering revealing Batman’s identity. By not revealing his identity people would have likely assumed batman had given up, and thus they should too, if they knew bruce was batman and possibly dead and missing they’d use him as a martyr, again rising faster
Sometimes I'm glad I'm oblivious to these kinds of things, but also it means I more mindlessly enjoy things.
I actually just started revisiting the trilogy this week, so you dropping a video on it is fun!
Hope you enjoy it!
Strangely I was watching Dark Knight Rises clips last night for the first time in years.... Then today this video by one of my favourite RUclipsrs ... Must be destiny!
7:58 Aw, that was so cute 😊
I love the ending of TDKR as it is but this definitely sounds like a great way to bring us that PERFECT Batman without that stupid voice and, I'll go a step further, maybe Bruce could've fought Bane in the final battle unmasked to illustrate that he's no longer afraid and is ready to pass on the mantle. Also, the moo is back! 🎉
Comic book accuracy of Batfleck? The Batman with the gun?
Yeah that was questionable to say the least
"Comic book accuracy of AFFLECK?!" Ah yes, because mass murderer Bruce Wayne is SO accurate. Look, I get he KINDA fights like Batman probably would, aside from him DEFINITELY killing some thugs, it fee;s fast and brutal enough... and his suit is accurate... but the CHARACTER is NOT.
Edit: Also, I just fundamentally disagree that changing the voice would've really made it that much better. Certainly not 1000x. Not even 10x.
That line has me so confused too. Barfleck was NOTHING like Batman in the comics (or any other medium for that matter). If he wanted an example of a more comic accurate Batman he should have just used Kevin Conroy (both his DCAU and Arkham appearances are more comics accurate than Batfleck lol).
Like you said I guess the suit is comic accurate but that’s about it. I don’t even see the need to bring up Batfleck in a discussion of Batman actors, he never even played him in a solo movie.
Here me out, what if it was a joke 😮
I feel when people say this, it is for the look and fighting style, rather than his actions.
If there was a moment in the third film where his identity is revealed and Bruce Wayne & Batman becomes the same in the eyes of Gotham, it would undercut the gravity of the decision to have the ‘Batman’ part of Bruce sacrifice himself for Gotham and create a city that doesn’t need him anymore. They need to be separate for the ending to work.
Well of course the ending would then be different if this change was made. As it is, revealing Batman always kills Batman, so not a fan, personally.
The one and only Batman, Kevin Conroy, invented the Bat-voice. And PERFECTED it! It was subtle like Christopher Reeves' shoulders hunched down to make Clarke different
THIS IS THE WAY.
The voice wasn’t that bad in Begins, it just kept getting more over the top 😂
The voice of batman will always be Kevin Conroy in my book. He made bruce and bat's voice distinct while suiting either alter ego perfectly.
The voice was certainly an issue and this would’ve been a very smart fix, but in the grand scheme of the movie it would’ve been putting a band aid on a bullet wound.
you dont like the dark knight rises?
@@FullFatVideos Does anyone?
Only slightly /s
@@zachryder3150 I do honestly enjoy most of the movie
@@FullFatVideosI think it’s quite bad, yeah
Something ive always found to be weird is how The League of Shadows returns when they were completely missing from The Dark Knight.
That voice pretty much kept Pete Holmes employed for years, though.
I loved the voice
I loved the resolution line with Gordon - very emotional.
I loved the 3 movies, they all worked.
Perfection is pointless
Ive become addicted to your breakdowns. Love the content bro 👌
I appreciate that!!!!
Yes, this would have been great, from a story perspective, and for atmosphere. I think the voice worked in Batman Begins, because of the scenes it was used in, the way they were shota nd the dialoge he had. But it became painful in The Dark Knight, which went for a much more realistic, almost mundane visual style, and had him say waaaay to many normal lines of dialoge. You can't really take any scene with Batman serious in both TDK and TDKR. It's a shame.
Another reason why Batman Begins is the best of this Trilogy.
@@SmashBrosAssembleI have said the same for many years.
The thing is, his voice in Begins is actually pretty good. It becomes super exaggerated by The Dark Knight, and meme-worthy in Rises. It has a breathier, less gravelly tone to it in Begins, then in the next two it’s like he’s a seven year old trying to sound like a dinosaur.
I have agreed on most of your videos, but I a 100% disagree on this take.
Because if Bane would have revealed that Bruce Wayne was Batman, the point of the whole trilogy falls down.
Sure, the voice might have been a little mistake, but the message of the trilogy is the impact that an incorruptible legend can have.
That's why at the end they build a statue of Batman. That's why at the funeral of Bruce, Gordon says that the people of Gotham know who saved them. And that's why in Batman Begins Bruce chooses a symbol.
I think this little change fixes a tiny little problem, but ruins completely Nolan's trilogy.
If Bruce Wayne died and Gotham knew it, then a hero, a person would have died.
But if Batman died, than a legend, a myth, would have died. And that story has way more impact.
The problem with The Dark Knight Rises is, it’s not good enough. It’s better than most things, it’s a Christopher Nolan film of course it is, but it’s not up to his standards, & he’s only got himself to blame, he set the bar so high with Batman Begins & The Dark Knight.
You can tell Nolan’s heart wasn’t with this one, & I can understand why, you lost the person that made The Dark Knight the phenomenon that it was, & was clearly going to be a big part of the next film.
No disrespect but I gotta disagree. By all interview and BTS accounts Nolan still put in work with the film. Even years later he’s publicly said he thinks it’s underrated. My hot take has always been that this one is my favorite of the trilogy and I think Nolan worked just as hard on it as the first two.
@@BurningBushProductionsIt gets worse on every rewatch, like Return of the Jedi. The overly convoluted plot, the awkward pacing, poor acting, and awful fight scenes all hamper it. TDKR is a slog to get through with a few high points interspersed in between mediocrity.
Honestly even as a kid I thought batman begins was the worst. Dark night is a masterpiece but dark night returns is great too. I must say, as a 12 year old i was almost screaming in the theater when the cops with guns just ran at everybody to close range!
@@DP12321 Funny you mention ROTJ because that my favorite Star Wars film too 😂. At the end of the day, everyone’s entitled to their opinion. But I’ve seen this movie 100 times and my love for it remains. I don’t really see it as any more or less convoluted than the other 2 personally…
@@BurningBushProductions For ROTJ the whole plot to rescue Han makes no sense, there's no new locations. The movie is a boring retread with awful pacing on Endor. The only good stuff is Luke and Vader, oh and Wedge too I suppose.
For TDKR, the plot of moving it around the city while locking it down was silly. Every cop being trapped is nonsensical. Plus the fight in the street at the end is so bad. When a movie like The Raid 2 with a fraction of the budget runs circles around the culmination of the Dark Knight trilogy, you know you've got issues. The movie tries to do too much and falters. But yeesh, those fight scenes are so bad. No one makes a connection... but the worst! The absolute worst is the overhead shot of the crowds running and then some fat cop in a yellow vest is the focal point who hits nothing. It's pathetic. The plane scene in the beginning, despite being convoluted goofiness and the stadium going boom are good, but that's it.
I would keep the voice for low-level crooks and thugs just to spook them. But when he's actually talking to villains on his level, he drops the growl a bit so that he can actually talk to them.
In fact, the growl sounds really good when he's just chatting with people. A good example of this is the beginning of TDK where he has the convo with Gordon in the bank.
... This feels rather... I don't know, short? Is this video about the Batman voice or about the impact of finishing the trilogy with Bruce Wayne revealed as the hero of Gotham? The voice aspect really feels like an overly long intro to the real subject to me.
I dislike the voice in TDK and TDKR, and would've been happy with how it was in Batman Begins. It was only then it felt it went too far.
I always took Gordon's implication at the very end to mean that people could know in the back of their minds Batman was Bruce Wayne, but that it didn't matter, so no one thought about it. Bane stole tech and vehicles from Wayne Enterprise, and it looked identical to the vehicle Batman used to drive. Bruce made the adjustment to the auto-pilot of The Bat, and that was a vehicle Batman was very openly using. Mr Reese figured it out in TDK. I think having breadcrumbs to Batman's identity works just fine for these films, and disagree that Bruce should've been outed by Bane, in _this_ story. It was breadcrumbs that led Tim Drake to figure out Batman and Robin's identities, and I think Wayne Manor being an orphanage leaves open opportunity for John (Robin) to have a partner - hopefully one older than 13.
Batman is only able to rally the city in the end because he is The Batman. He became his ultimate personification of his initial reason for choosing to become a symbol, and did so as he fought in the day in front of the whole city, rather than at night alone. The Batman died to save Gotham, and inadvertently saved Bruce - allowing him to leave, and live a normal life. John (Robin) then has the opportunity to assume the mantle, and The Batman doesn't lose his power. If anything, seemingly coming back from the dead will only make him more fearsome. A new Dark Knight rises from the ashes of the old. Everyone that knew Bruce knew he was alive, and was Batman, and that's all that mattered. If random members of the public knew, it wouldn't matter after a brief while anyway, because he wasn't their friend and life goes on. It would become old news, and even though they would have a hero, the symbol is lost. It isn't what Bruce wanted anyway.
You could argue that it was out of character for this Bane to not reveal Batman's identity, but he wanted people to hate the rich of Gotham. Telling them that one of the richest had been tackling crime with his bare hands, and had saved the city at least twice, _might_ not put people against Bruce Wayne. Bane also believed he had Bruce completely covered and accounted for, so, there was no need.
I don’t think this works. It ruins the end game of Bruce’s retirement, it would only work if Batman actually dies at the end in the explosion.
Billionaire dies is news that passes quickly and he can move somewhere and go incognito after a few years.
Billionaire playing superhero who spent years using his Dads company as a slush fund to beat criminals while wearing a military grade Vigilante suit - that man is never ever getting a moments peace, anywhere in the world, ever.
I gotta disagree. I find no problem with the voice or the film. I still love it.
I agree with you. In the comics, Batman's dialogue/font is different and bolded at times to signify this.
@PhoenixHavenGarage Exactly. It also shows the difference in his identities. His throaty voice is a weapon of terror itself.
I wish he used the growl in the hospital scene too.
The Bat voice is the victim of social media and modern day fandom. I really didn't pay it too much attention after the 1st movie, then we were distracted by the Joker in the 2nd movie, but the 3rd one had two people with crazy voices--this screamed out for parody. I think when Bale's Batman keeps the dialogue to a few words in a short sentence, it's ok. But when he goes on a Bat-soliloquy, it's really hard to take him seriously. Like it or not, the Bat voice is embedded in the Nolan trilogy and like the Burton films, Schumacher films, it has its strengths and weaknesses.
Give bruce one of those neck tube operations midway through the movie so he talks in the raspy voice but install something in his bat suit so he can talk normally as batman
idk man, the voice is pretty terrifying in reality and it also plays into the whole "Batman" thing perfectly-which is just as or even more ridiculous if you're judging everything in that way.
plus all the other examples just sound exactly the same as their Bruce Wayne voice lol and in that way are just as ridiculous in reality as anyone dealing with both Batman and Bruce would easily figure it out before long.
Man I’ve been a fan of you for soo long and I just want to say I would love to write a film with you one day
I think my only issue with the voice is, that in the dark knight rises, a lot of people batman talks to know already that he is Bruce Wayne. Robin, Catwoman, Talia, Bane - they all know its Bruce Wayne under the Mask. So it feels a bit strange to me that he keeps up the voice even in moments hes only with people that know its Bruce under that Mask. Theres no in-universe reason to keep up the illusion for him, especially because its noteably more difficult for him to speak that deep. I assume the reason they stuck to the voice is that it keeps being consistent to the viewer between bruce wayne without mask and batman.
I don’t think the consensus has become worse over time. It’s still rated very high
All I ever see are people bitching about it
@@FullFatVideos people who hate on things tend to be more vocal. The dark knight rises actually ranks higher than Batman begins on IMDb’s top 250 list. And has stayed above Begins ever since it’s release. Usually films drop low after time, but the dark knight rises is ranked at 60 something whereas begins is ranked at 120 something
When i first watched this, I genuinely thought they were trying to make us think it was a voice modulator that comes with the suit... Hence him not turning it on and off.
But clearly we were all supposed to know that it was his real voice
Great video. What would have made sense would be for Bane to reveal video or pictures of Bruce beaten in the bat costume to the public. To really drive home how Bane is a serious and capable threat. It would be basically similar to what Joker did to imposter Batman in TDK but this time it is actually Bruce who is finally in that position. It would be heartbreaking for the viewers seeing Bruce like that and also the people of Gotham.
In Nolan we trust. The voice was his idea and they did use voice modulation to achieve it. I'm not a fan of the voice, but I stand up for Nolan's call.
How could you say that??? without that voice we wouldn't get LEGO Batman and get the iconic line because "I'm Batman"
I can't believe anyone is still struggling with the voice after more than a decade. And while I still like Dark Knight Rises, what it was lacking for me was more impactful character arcs. Bruce gets injured and imprisoned, then he gets better and escapes. Selina betrays Batman, then she helps him. Gordon is exposed for the coverup, then it's just fine. The Dark Knight was so great because the story was so personal and permanent to all involved, while in Rises, you can replace the nuclear resolution death faking ending with a sort of, "That was an eventful week, what's next for Batman?" kind of deal.
I threw up in my mouth a little bit when you described Batfleck as "comic accurate"
He is bro
Don't even use the Batman doesn't kill argument because almost every single batman (even good old bale) has killed in the movies
@@cesarsantivanez4111 Yeah no I am actually fine with that part tbh. If anything I wish they made more of a point of it.
In interviews he gave it was very clear that Snyder doesn't get Batman at all, and his entire prep for writing the character was reading 2 comics.
You did not say Comic Book Accuracy of Fatfleck…
Swolefleck*
3:57, If it were slightly toned down, the voice may have not been so much of an issue. 6:03, In some scenes (especially in Batman Begins), it comes as less silly because of how it is specifically used, 1:19, and at what intensity Batman is speaking.
His voice was fine in the first Nolan film. It just got heavier in the next 2
For some reason I have no issues with it in Begins or TDK, but in rises it feels a bit more forced. To me. I also happen to have a troubled relationship with TDKR. Saw it in IMAX70mm when it came out and I had one of the best seats in the house. Back then you couldn't pick your own seat in advance so I had to "camp out". I showed up 2hrs in advance. Not crazy and sat on the floor in a LONG LINE with other Nolan 70mm geeks like me. Anyway. I walked out of the theatre that day confused. And I've BEEN confused about the movie to this day.
Its not bad, it just looks that way compared to the first 2 movies
What does the ideal ending to the trilogy look like?
Dark Knight Rises has been structural problems, not easy fixable by one point. There are at least five VERY big problems in the movie, setting it apart from Begins (has maybe 2 big problems) and Dark Knight (has a few smaller ones).
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I appreciate that brother, your family comes first always though! only join up if its right for you!!!
Why exactly would Bane out Bruce as Batman? How would that aid his plan in any way?
Saying that he should do this just so Bruce wouldn"t have to talk in the batman voice is really dumb.
I liked the voice in the 1st movie. I thought it made sense, and it wasn't over-the-top. But, yeah, in the 2nd and 3rd movies, it was a bit much. For some reason, the voice got cranked up by 50%, making it come off as strange. It sounded weird. I don't know why they did that. It was an odd decision.
Great timing - just finished watching it about 2 hours ago
Big brother is always watching
9:09 is this why i searched monotone voice recentlly?,
(Phyncrinisity is normal for me,
IT WILL HAPPEN.
I just randomlly think the future.).
3:17
You mean visually comic accurate right? because, well outside of that Bale is certainly far more accurate.
That was the perfect full circle line to say to Gordon…..😒😒😒
There are way to many things needed to change to make this film good
Lol he should have copied Alfred's accent, Alfred would have been tickled pink😂😂
I mean … nice fanfic, but the movie is great the way it is.
Great video but I think the title is a bit bloated.
0:27 hey look,its that guy that plays another famous 2nd main character person,
hes not physical,but 100% real.
The audio mix on bane's voice is the big issue for me, it just stands out to much. I'd one day for the optician to have it be the way nolan originally wanted it.
Just have him literally address it like they did with the neck movement in TDK... the way Afflecks voice had the voice morph would've worked well with this universe
I hate the Affleck voice
@@FullFatVideos lol RIP
“Comic book accuracy of affleck “….. tell me you’ve never read a Batman comic without telling me you’ve never read a Batman comic 🤦♂️🤦♂️
I hate that internet speak lol
I wouldn't change anything about TDKR, nor anything in TDKT as a whole. I may have cast Maggie Gyllenhaal as Rachel since Batman Begins.
Wouldn't say fatfleck was accurate much at all, no range whatsoever to speak of either.
What would’ve made DKR 1000x better was Heath Ledger not dying. The only voice that needed changing was Bane’s. In fact, everything bad about that movie involved Bane, not the least of which was the wholly anticlimactic and lame way he died. Batman’s voice seems like such an immaterial and nitpicky thing to worry about to me. He had to mask his voice. Could they have come up with something better? Probably, but it still doesn’t have any effect on how good the movie is.
Heath Ledger did everything he needed to do in The Dark Knight.
That film has a lot of real problems and real issues than the stupid voice. But ok, great pitch script and idea.
Bane should've been the main villain not Talia.
Bane absolutely is the main villain. The revelation that he's working with Talia as an equal partner changes nothing about that.
I like the voice but i get the criticism. Great video.
I respect your channel and your views but I really disagree "sure he doesn't have" this or that with the other Batman... I just disagree with you man
What do you mean haha
I remember dark knight rise not bad film i remember plan health joker i change plan
Matt got a new gf???
Batman with monotone voice?...
8:27 fin.
I haven’t got much to say about the story but yeah i am disappointed with the voice and particularly with the suit in this trilogy
Mfs nitpick anything 💀
“You’d have had…”. No movie.
Easy to nit pick the out put of genius, or that of those who at least created SOMETHING popular enough to earn hundreds on millions of dollars. MUCH harder to actually create something as good yourself. So you didn’t like the voice; that’s your opinion, and that’s fine.
Good Idea though My fix is actually have Bruce’s fate be ambiguous, there are reports of Batman still going around however make it unclear if Bruce survived and it’s him or whether it’s John Blake(whose birth name would be Dick Grayson) or even someone else
I disagree on this 🙏🏻
What about the change in The Dark Knight where Batman doesn't fucking murder Harvey
I truly believe that if this film was a 2 parter, it would be perfect. If you ended with Bruce being left in the pit for part 1 and have part be be entirely a no man's land movie, not only would make this different than the Dark Knight (which it really is trying to do) and would be able to flesh out everything so much more. And you wouldn't have the problem of him spending 40 minutes becoming batman, then an hour later, doing the same thing.
Nolan would never have done that under any circumstances. It would also leave Bruce with nothing to do for 90% of the next movie
Meh
The Begins voice was fine. In Knight and Rises, Bale took it too far. And far from Keaton being the example to be exemplified, it is of course, the GOAT himself, Kevin Conroy, who leads the way in how Batman should sound. Although, Ben Afflecks voice modulation was a damn fine comprimise.
the voice of both bane and batman were terrible in rises, then there's the fact that they took away the venom that actually gives bane the edge over batman in comics and the animated series. I also wish they'd given the joker a more polished look and ditched the league of shadows training bruce wayne. batman begins also has the best cape but BvS had the best costume (with a modified Keaton bat symbol). Honestly to tell this story properly they it would have been best done in a tv show format and built up to the knightfall storyline, this would have gave them time to build up that rogues gallery batman is known for along with the multiple Robins he's had. what frustrates me most about these WB moviies is that DC owns all their characters, they didn't go bankrupt in the 90s and have to sell off all their characters only to have to buy them back 20 yrs later under disney like marvel did, but yet marvel can give a 10yrs of continuous stories from the Netflix's daredevil to guardians of the galaxy or the avengers. DC, botched these movies, botched BvS/Man of Steel, botched the Aquaman, Justice League and Green Arrow(by trying to turn him into batman)
Biggest issue I had with this movie was Batman was barely in it and when he was he was a complete moron
A) Batman is more than just a costume B) he's no more a "moron" than he was in the "oh so perfect" Mask of the Phantasm.
Not making the movie would've made it 1000x better
Hardcore hating going on
Still better than every superman film so calm down
@@Batman1998- yeah right
WB was never going to leave TDK series as a duology. It was always going to have a sequel, regardless of whether or not Nolan came back.
Cut Talia and any relation to the League Of Shadows out entirely.
I liked the twist in concept but it does undermine Bane
Afflecks Batman had a voice modulator that changed his voice...it seemed pretty obvious and fit the tech Lucius would make...so its weird they never thought to use it for Nolans Batman...they changed Banes voice(which has been ridiculed just as much..a Sean Connery imitation etc)
So Yeah...tech to change the voice...
However it wouldnt change the problems Dark Knight rises had in terms of the 3rd act...
Too much had to happen...and the timeline does not fit in terms of the bomb going off, Bruce getting back to Gotham WHILE the whole police force that was trapped underground..how did they survive for months isolated in the tunnels? They had no food etc when they got shut off....
Try watching the movie and paying attention
@@spencermalley10 i did...explain the police surviving underground for months? 🙄😅
@@Drakan86 Banes men were giving them supplies.
this. is. a. waste. of. time.
Terrible movie, it was boring, didnt explain how Blake knew Bruce was Batman he just "Knew", terrible ending. Bane was pretty decent though
Yeah fuck the Nolan batman voice, it’s always been the worst thing about the trilogy
The Christopher Bat man movies are overrated.