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slow down there drinker, while you do make good points, there are some things you mentioned that need a closer look. the frequency of these occurrences are increasing with every upload. i still love yeh though.
Bane: for my mastermind plan I need 30 years of ninja training, a nuclear bomb, an army, Wayne's accounts and batman equipment The Joker: just give me some gasoline
Many thanks to our favourite drunken Scotsman for breaking this one into the constituent elements of bullshit. I remember this film as the first of a long line of films in which I was spotting the continuity errors, conveniences, and plot holes whilst in the theatre. I guess it marks a milestone of critical thinking development for which I'm grateful. It may be the one and only good thing that this movie delivered to me.
@Rob Melrose Oh, it has it all. The whole concept of burning a city to the ground to save it is fundamentally flawed. How does BW return from the desert to Gotham? It's a looong list.
I believe after Ledger's death, Nolan didn't want to continue but was forced to. Obviously, the Joker was going to return for the finale in a big way ("You and I are destined to do this forever...") but that became impossible unfortunately.
I agree; a glaring example of this is his casting of Cat Woman, he couldn't have found an actress more wrong for the role which makes me believe that he just said yes to Anne Hathaway because he didn't give a shit one way or the other. If he'd cared about the movie at all there were lots of better choices available.
@@Gamble661 yeah. The more I watch it, the less I enjoy the last one. It doesn't feel like a Nolan movie. The end is a jumbled mess (longest 11 minutes ever)
I think the 3rd act was supposed to have the Joker play a vital role, even if limited. Once that couldn't happen, I felt Nolan just threw something together wanting to get done with the trilogy and move on
Nolan never made any of the Batman movies with the intention of making a sequel, they’ve explained this many times. He said he wouldn’t return for a third one unless he was sold on a story.. which is unfortunate that this was that story.
I rsallly wish Christopher Nolan would've made the dark Knight rises a 2 part movie with the riddler as the villain. Bane doesn't fit Nolan's universe like that, but the riddler really would have.
Same where it’s badly explained and comes across as tacky. Dark Knight could get away with being in a realistic universe because of Joker and the writing being really good. DKR shit writing, and it doesn’t feel like I’m watching a Batman film.
Glad im not the only one. The plot just didnt seem to have flow and even now after watching this video i still dont get how the whole socialism thing ties into his motivations or what exactly he wanted to do. Joker was straight forward in the fact that his motivations were non existent. He was a mad man that just wanted to the world go to shit while trying to highlight the true nature of human beings
@@Blakout911 The socialist revolution was just a cover for destroying civilization. Bane knew that struggle sessions were the fastest and most efficient way to make Gotham turn in on itself so he promised the idiots and losers the spoils of the people they resent if they did his work for him. The truth was they got absolutely nothing and only hastened their own destruction.
I think they had a story already in mind for the third installment with the Joker, but had to scrap it because Heath passed. So they had to come up with something in a hurry, and ending up landing on Bane. Which I guess is because they decided a worthy physical adversary for Batman would be the next most interesting thing, and with the the League of Shadows connection from Batman Begins, they could explain that. Overall, I think they did a good job of wrapping up the story, and I still really enjoy The Dark Knight Rises despite its flaws. It was very emotional, and we see further growth from Bruce as a character, as he finds purpose in life outside of Batman. I can understand why some people don't enjoy it or really care for it, but I think there is some nitpicking from reviewers.
Fully agree with this. Feel like fans had their expectations set unreasonably high after TDK being as incredible as it was. There was no way TDKR could live up to it. But even still with all the flaws and plot holes, I still love the movie and think it is a great conclusion to the Nolan trilogy
Couldn't they have used 90% of that story then with another villain? Aren't Bane and Joker kind of similar villains anyway at least as far their motivations go? If they had a decent story I think they should have been able to reuse many elements from it, but this plot is complete nonsense from start to end.
@@CargoShorts7 Even the Dark Knight had problems with it's plot. Literally just about everything Drinker says about the plane you could apply to the guy with the bomb in his stomach.
@@sgt.thundercok4704 I am not blind, his plan was complete dogshit and his motivation made little sense. I am no fanboy of any movie character since I am a bit too old for that. It's just that Tom Hardy acting and one liners made this poorly written movie at least enjoyable. Take him out of the equation and you are left with nothing but a pile of garbage.
@The Brightest Knight Yeah but the dark knight was already a good movie with a good plot, the Joker made it a masterpiece. Also they didn't ruin his character in the final act like they did with Bane.
One thing I found weird was that the prison in Bane/Talia's time was full of these homicidal rapists who literally ripped Bane's face off trying to get to a small child, but by the time Bruce was trapped there, it was apparently filled with the friendliest, most helpful people on earth. What happened? Did all the assholes die off, escape, or were reformed?
Some of them were freed by Bane and Talia, as they decided to keep their enemies in the pit. Also, those remaining most likely got old, since at least a decade separates Bane's and Talia's story from the main plot of TDKR.
You do remember how Ra's Al Ghul came back to exact revenge on all those people right? Also, the doctor feeding Bruce says "this is Bane's prison, he wouldnt want this story to be told" indicating that bane has a very strong hold on these prisoners and how they act
The man who assassinated the mayor of San Francisco and a city supervisor served 5 years in prison, so 18 months when no one got killed isn't a stretch.
Europe doesn’t have a sense of justice. There was a guy who stabbed a female tennis player in the middle of a game and wasn’t even convicted of anything
@@Resident4Island That's why I always found them saying that not mentioning Joker was out of respect for Ledger strange. Not mentioning where The Joker was and basically pretending he never existed doesn't seem respectful to me. The only parts of The Dark Knight they mention are Two Face related.
@@Xehanort10 Ikr where is he, where is he alive or dead, did he get the Death Penalty or sent to Arkham Asylum. Health Ledger loved being The Joker is truly sad that Health Ledger passed away .He loved playing Joker and they didn't even mention him like he never existed .
No, no, that one I can get behind. It's better than risking it, especially in a comic book world where people develop superpowers from the weirdest shit.
@NamelessWeeb The ambulance... extremely far into the wilderness where... nah. This is one of the few points that makes sense. People HAVE survived falls from airplanes, though usually with a partially functional parachute or something to slow their fall.
a bad Nolan film is considered an epic and a critically acclaimed film by today's standards. Fixed it for you, the only one I can stand is interstellar. The Joker one is okay but not quite the Joker.
As an electrical engineer, I really hate when movies like this act like a nuclear reactor can be made into a nuclear bomb by flicking a switch. Nuclear power plants use 5% enriched uranium, nuclear bombs use 80% enriched uranium, and you’re not just going to get some scientist to magically enrich it for you!
Maybe that's why people are so afraid of nuclear energy. Hollywood dumbasses portraying reactors as ticking time bombs that can go off at any moment when, as far as I'm aware, you have to purposefully screw everything up for a Chernobyl scenario
Dude, reading your comment has been like a religious experience for me. I have never seen another person make this self-evident and easily understood observation in a comment (i.e. "weapons grade uranium" is common parlance that anyone who has seen a save-the-world movie has heard). I am so done with people thinking that exponential neutron chain-reactions are so easy to instigate and maintain that they can happen on accident, then getting pissed off when you tell them that Chernobyl wasn't a nuclear explosion. You have made my day.
@@keerthivasanr8562 Yeah was about to say, that this is always told to be a revolutionary new kind of energy form, so we don't even know what it is. If it would be a conventional reactor, then why would there be a gigantic science investment around it? How can someone think that this little egg is supposed to show a conventional nuclear reactor concept?
Luck on you. I was bored to pieces after the first hour, I couldn't believe the praise it got at the time. For me is one of those movies you can only enjoy if you can pause your brain and not think for a couple of hours, and unfortunately, I just can't.
@@claudioramirez84it IS a rather longer movie than the others. It does feel the crunch. It’s the same for me with the Batman. I think for me with that they spent so long on Penguin Id forget what the point was 😂
This was one of the worst major films I’ve watched. The plot holes are gaping and shout out at you as you go along - it needs no reflection to reveal them. That stupid attempt at a plot twist where that utterly forgettable CEO woman turns out to be the kid who escaped - like why add that? It adds absolutely nothing. Delete that and nothing changes. It’s characteristic of the entire, jumbled mess. Things happen because they momentarily sounded in the writers office like a good scene and then everything moves on to the next random event. This movie ruined Batman for me. Not watched one since.
When seeing that batman logo on the bridge I always imagine Bruce wayne spending all day hanging on that bridge, whistling along with his radio and carefully painting the bridge with gasoline, making sure it looks just about right for when the city almost blows up because he wanted to be a painter instead of fixing the problem
Ha ha. Me to! Wasting precious time, climbing around that bridge with what must’ve been thousands of gallons of some kind combustible that doesn’t vaporise before Batman has saved the day. Then, after saving the cops he’s like: “There, light it up. Look what I’ve done today”.
He couldn't have used gasoline, it would have evaporated. And especially because it was a vertical surface. You may be able to catch some of the fumes it was a puddle, if there was no wind. But on a vertical surface? No. First, the fuel would just run down the side, spreading it thin. And because you are up on a bridge you would have *_A LOT_* of wind blowing the fumes away. Which, if you didn't know, the fumes are what catches fire, not the fuel itself. In fact, you can do a little experiment; take some gasoline, put it in a metal bucket and toss a match into the bucket. You know what will happen? The match will fall into the gasoline and be snuffed out, the end. You might be able to soak some styrofoam in gasoline, which make a gelatin substance, and then spread that on and set _that_ on fire in this way, like it is depicted in the movie. Or you can just do what they did for the movie and make it CGI.
Oh, you think that memes are your ally? You merely adopted the memes, I was born in them, molded by them. By the time I saw a serious post I WAS ALREADY A MAN!
This scathing (and hilarious) review made me want to rewatch it, simply because it's such a great movie for what it tries to be. Problem is it doesn't try to be The Dark Knight 3, it tries to be Batman goes camp in the most 80s way, except with cool "believable" visuals.
@@falguard The fuck does a pandemic have to do with a bunch of anarchist brats who were never spanked as kids taking over part of a city and terrorising everyone there?
I actually completely forgot that the Doctor punches Bruce's spine back into place. I guess it was so hilariously stupid that I deleted from my memory.
I think I deleted the entire movie from memory. If someone had asked me b4 watching this I would have said there were 2 batman movies with Christian bale
Yeah it makes NO sense. Bane dropped batman on his knee, wouldn't that push the vertebrae IN? Why would it be sticking out for prison doc to punch it back IN? I think Nolan just desperately wanted to include the iconic bane scene and then forgot how to resolve it with logic.
More stupid is the incredibly fast recovery without any proper physiotherapy. Took me 3 weeks to get my back back into shape after twisting a bit wrong, far from a dislocated vertebra.
My best friend from college had an idea about this movie's ending vs Skyfall's ending. In one, an effeminate villain with a handful of lackeys and a personal vendetta with the hero executes an attack on the hero at his family manor. The hero uses a secret tunnel to escape the trap and turn the tables. In the other, a megalomaniac with a small army is threatening nuclear destruction. The hero sneaks in backed up by his own army, and the two armies fight it out while the hero takes out the megalomaniac. In short, he posited, the two scripts were being carried and the carriers ran smack into each other, papers flying! After a mad scramble to get their pages back together, Bond got a Batman ending while Batman got a Bond ending!
But why wouldn't he just keep the magical robo-knee? Since it was so powerful you'd think he would make an entire exo-suit. The magical robo-knee was an anti Chekov's gun which didn't need to be in the movie at all. They could have simply shown Bruce going through therapy. Or not made the bullshit claim that spending 9 months as Batman completely trashed his entire body via magic I guess because plenty of people have endured worse for longer periods of time and made it out ok.
Regardless of Rises itself as a movie, the way Nolan and the writers approached Batman and his world could've accommodated a 5 movie series, easily. 1 - the origin 2 - escalation 3 - vilification and defeat (Bane breaking him) 4 - the return, vindication, and bringing in Robin (or at least a potential successor) 5 - the finish to Bruce Wayne's story, solidifying the idea of Batman into a true legend (referencing Ducard/Ra's line in Begins) and the passing of the torch to the successor/Robin I know Nolan wanted to be finished and WB had their own plans for Batman, rushing to establish the DCEU. But seeing how that didn't crash and burn, but rather exploded on the launch pad, now it seems like an especially squandered opportunity for what could've been an incredible series unto itself.
Yeah, they would have needed to drain a couple of gallons of blood whilst adding a Good 8 pints back in, what's depicted couldn't be more than adding 1 pint into the man's system giving at best an suspiciously inconclusive blood test that would have been proven by the dental records anyway. Total disrespect of audience intelligence.
@@AliRadicali "Won't it be hard for Bruce Wayne to survive all that stuff at the end of the movie?" "Actually, it'll be super easy, barely an inconvenience."
Man, it would’ve actually been a cool visual to see an army of haggard, bearded, cops ready to go full Braveheart and beat some ass after several months in the sewers.
To be fair to Nolan, he got absolutely screwed by circumstances outside his control when Heath Ledger sadly passed away. He likely had a plan that either had to be scrapped or salvaged at the 11th hour. It’s not an iron clad excuse for the plot holes, but I give him more slack than the brain dead writers today that make worse plot mistakes and have no real excuse. Despite its flaws, I’m still a big fan of this movie. While the pit doesn’t really make sense from a narrative standpoint, I love the symbolism it represents, using fear not just as a tool against one’s enemies, but also as a motivator in the face of hopeless odds.
@@DarranKern You think a proper social service system would not have prevented them from falling to crime, following a man who wants to tear down society?
the part that got me about the beginning is that the soldiers and cia personnel are all filled with bullets so why would they think it's an accident again?
I think THAT is the most concrete, and simplest, plot hole. ......... Bullet holes and bullets are so damning that a first day backwoods deputy would catch it, let alone the CIA.
Well, they could attribute it to one of the prisoners getting free and engaging in a gunfight, which caused the crash. But there was a of other things about it that I think would raise some red flags.
@@gandalfthegrey2592 so before fixing them with "mega-expensive modern medical procedures" they just gave you a good punch in the back? So even barbarians could be physicians back in Medieval times is what you're saying? 😂
@@giovannizavarin199 that's a text-book definition of a straw mans argument you are employing there buddy...obviously there were "medical professionals" back then; no one is saying that's not the case 🙄
It really was not great. One thing that struck me was when Batman returns to Gotham at the end and has a street fight with Bane, the fact that it is daytime really made it look…silly and dumb. I remember thinking the same thing when I was a kid on certain episodes of the animated series. Batman in broad daylight doesn’t work. Never will.
Producer: So they send 60,000 police officers into the sewers?? Writer: It certainly seems like that's what we're going with. Producer: Well okay then!
Your comments about Gotham City being a character within itself is spot on. That was my biggest problem with this movie. Gotham was turned into alternative New York and all of the interesting gothy details that make Gotham City so interesting were missing form this movie.
It was so obvious to anyone that paid attention. Batman Begins and TDK had a river running through the city, a series of monorails, and an island in the center flanked by skyscrapers. New York with its blatant One World Trade Center in construction doesn’t exhibit any of that.
I actually thought that Gotham in Batman Begins and TDK was far more interesting and well-defined. But TDKR pretty much addresses this with the success of the police in the last 8 years to clean up the streets. It looks clean and boring because it's supposed to.
@@ADSheehan Gotham City in Batman Begins and The Dark Knight are based on Chicago and TDNR is based on New York. This actually shows that Nolan doesn't understand Gotham city is one the core characters in this comic book but He is only interested in showing some bombastic scenes so you drop your jaws, rather than giving the characters heart and soul. Mayor of Gotham city says that "No City is without a crime but this city is without an organized crime " so there is nothing stating the police cleaned up the streets in the past years. Whether there is crime or not, Gotham City should look or feels like Gotham City. A generic clean city = No Batman.
I thought it was silly how Bruce and Batman go into hiding at the same time and then Bruce and Batman came out of hiding at the same time and no one puts two and two together. Plus I was hoping that Bruce's little leg brace device was going to be the thing used to defeat Bane. But was disappointed that Catwoman just shot him and they didn't have an epic fight at the end.
That scene is the worst offender in making this movie worse than it should've been, it just so completely undermines and destroys Bane's character to get killed offscreen by such nonsensical way that it ruined the entire fucking movie. Sure he was actually a "henchman" but to make it like he's the butt-end of the jokes one whose only role is to get killed by the hero(ine) to show s(he)'s badass and then forget about it... what a waste.
@@mr.barcode3186 that is such a crying shame. Is that true? I've done some research but I've never seen anything to really confirm that. Either way, such a missed opportunty. Would of been great to see Anne Hathaway in action like that
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@Mr. Barcode For the lads who are into those, I do animate Catfights. Check out Black Cat vs Black widow on my channel! I'm working on Catwoman vs Black widow next, stay tuned boys.
For everyone that doesn't know: real fusion reactors would be pretty much impossible to make explode. They are incredibly complex and hard to operate. Not to mention creating a fusion reaction and maintaining it is a literal fight against physics trying to make it dissipate. Think, trying to grab fire in your hands and keep it from going out.
They keep confusing fusion reactors with old fission reactors. A possible comparison is natural gas and coal plants. With natural gas (fission) you need to make sure you don't have too much flowing into the combustion chamber. With coal (fusion) you need to make sure you get enough in.
@@jonsimpson6240 I don't really have a grasp of the physics, but I've read somewhere that it'd probably be easier to to build a nuclear bomb from basically scratch than make a fission reactor explode in a nuclear reaction. Build a dirty bomb, sure, but fission bomb? I guess not.
@@lassesipila6418 True. Chernobyl was a steam explosion, caused by the reactor running too hot, resulting in radioactive material being blasted all over the place. For a truly nuclear explosion, you need to quickly compress highly enriched fissile material so that it'll react enough before blowing itself apart. The fuel in a reactor (AIUI) isn't nearly pure enough to make a bomb.
"Mr Wayne you traded all your money on unsecure stocks and are bankrupt " . " no i didnt if you check your cctv and your records you will find it's the armed militia in the stock exchange with copies of my fingerprints - can i have my money back?".
A more subtle one from The Dark Knight: The entire Gotham organized criminal underworld: "Joker robbed our banks! How dare he take our money / Our investor Lau took all our money to Hong Kong so the Gotham polcie can't take it (and then Joker eventually burned half of it)" Actual accountants/economists/bankers: "...does Nolan think that all money is held in banks as *cash?* The vast majority of money isn't even printed/minted; it exists as digital records, and deposits are insured. If you laundered it properly, you're not going to lose anything when a bank gets robbed."
@@Davidsworldtravels Go on then, elaborate how they're designed to be moving at hundreds of km/hr as the plane is shown in the movie? Give a real life example where a plane would be moving in that manner, with that much resistance across such a large surface area? Did you even learn physics in school?
@@IIHydraII they are not shown to be moving that fast at all. You can even see the ground clearly from the earlier shot and they’re not even going fast. And no I learned it while in pilot training and they showed how strong these airframes are in stalls, intense wind gusts, and spins. The wings don’t just fall off bc you change the angle of attack.
@Davidsworldtravels as a licensed pilot, yes they absolutely can and do (check out "Tanker 130 from 2002). It would take near impossible stresses in any "normal" flight condition, which obviously this isnt. That Aoa and airspeed is literally impossible for the aircraft, so I guarantee it exceeds the g-load structural limit. It should have floundered and pendulumed far more than depicted though, way too stable (which also gives some hints to how it was filmed).
@@Davidsworldtravelsbut not on such angle, that'll introduce extreme amount of turbulence and causing the wings to disintegrate from G force. Even if wings still intact then it would tilt the fuselage backward but it only happened so brief before breaking.
Ah yes, the movie where an army of highly trained mercenaries forget they have guns and repeatedly try to tap Batman on the chin instead of shooting him.
Movies. All Batman movies treat him as Iron Man rather than a sneaky weirdo in a bat costume. Newer movies should be treating Batman v. gunmen fights like in Arkham predator fights where he has to avoid getting shot.
They tried to do a group fist fight like in Civil War. Except without the previous camaraderie, super powers, fun, excitement, continuity, sense, cinematography, fight choreography and satisfying conclusion. Is all.
You watched 3 movies of the trilogy and you still did not realise most of them in the pack are not mercenaries but Assassins from the League of Shadows. It is also not Bane's plan but Talia's plan based on her father's original plan the bring terror the Gotham before destroying it like the League of shadows did it for Rome like quoted in Batman Begins. In 20 years and a lot of rewatches, you and Drinker might perhaps even understand the continuity of the 3 movies even with their flaws.
@@bigkmoviesandgames IMO, Begins feels more like comic-based story, with great atmospheric Gotham, ninjas and all that stuff, but Dark Knight went over the top with realism etc. and it feels a lot like a generic action movie, just with Batman and Joker shoehorned in. For me, Begins was more memorable, with it all flaws.
@@bigkmoviesandgames I was going to say the same. I don't like Dark Knight or Dark Knight Rises. They just don't feel like Batman, are way too long, bloated and boring with plots that rely on one convenience after another. Begins feels the most Batman of the whole trilogy. That being said, Batman Returns is still my favorite Batman movie LMAO 😂
@@Endru85x I agree that the look and feel of begins is the best like you said it doesn't go overboard with the realism like TDK which just looks like Chicago. I know the film isn't flawless but honestly, although I'm no expert, it seems to be the least flawed of the trilogy at least if we're being objective.
Its actually very simple : They couldn't have anticipated that . When they got on the Plane Littlefinger made the call that " only one of you gets to stay on my aircraft " . He filed the flight plan for one additional passenger with the intention of throwing the other 2 out therefore forcing them to leave one in the wreckage
@@herrsiemes7094 how can they not have anticipated that they would fill out at least one more passenger. they shouldve expected to have to fake even more deaths if anything
While I agree with many of the hangups (police in the sewer, stock exchange BS), I do think Bane's plan deserves a bit more examination. I interpreted the whole thing as a torture device for Bruce Wayne, an ultimate revenge for his destruction of the League of Shadows. "When Gotham is ashes, you have my permission to die." Bane knew Wayne would never respond to bodily torture or fear of death, so he chose to torture his most beloved cause instead: Gotham City. So he cut the city and watched it bleed discontent. (The riots were almost certainly a commentary on the silly "occupy" movements popular in America at the time.) All the while he held a blade over Gotham's neck, telling Wayne that at any moment, someone could execute it. Yes, the plot had to jump through some extreme hoops to prop up this premise, but it's a fascinating premise nonetheless.
The Dark Knight Rises was a movie that felt much more cobbled together than the other two. I'm pretty sure that's because Heath Ledger died and they had to figure out what to do.
Originally Nolan wanted Heath for the third film to appear in a trial to scar Harvey Dent making Two Face the main villain of that movie. When Heath died they couldn't do that so they put Harvey becoming Two Face in the second film.
@@andrewdau1299 WTF? Are you trying to make us believe that the scene where the Joker pays Harv a hospital visit in his female nurse attire was cobbled together after Ledger's death? The movie was reportedly in post production by then. Please, stop making up crap. This is not a schoolyard recess, we're not gullible kids prone to believe someone just 'cause and there's this little BS-obliterating thing called the internet, in case you haven't heard about it.
@@oscarjimenezgarrido7591 What are you talking about? I never said that particular scene was cobbled together. I said Nolan had plans for Joker in the sequel but due to Heath's death he had to change things. This was in The Dark Knight art book. No need to be upset man.
This movie is the best definition of "because im batman". How can you escape from prison? "Because im batman!", how can you survive the bomb? "Because im batman" and so on
'how can you survive the bomb?' "Perhaps this is how Batman got back into Gotham that one time..." - Bane (while traveling through the vortex), LEGO Dimensions
It should be “Because of Superman” How could Bruce come back to Gotham from Indian prison? “Because of Superman.” How could Batman survive the bomb? “Because of Superman.”
To be fair it really isn't the same thing. That is trapping the Police Department in the sewers so they can't interfere isn't quite the same as the Mayor just being a Commie that orders the Police defunded. Though both were pretty stupid, and neither worked in the end.
@@aimilios439 No, it wasnt. The C130 their "rappelling" from has a cruising speed of about 200-300 mph. You put a man out the back on a rope at that speed their rope is going to be basically horizontal bc of wind speed and the top plane will be so far forward theyll see it easy. But watching the film their ropes are almost vertical and the bottom plane cant see the C130 at all. So no, basic physics says that scene was BS.
The fact that Bruce Wayne literally walked or perhaps hitchhiked his way back to Gotham cracks me up. He was bankrupt, had no idea where he was in the world, and just shows back up in Gotham after traveling off screen. Lol! What???
It's easier to watch for sure. The Dark Knight is less a movie and more of an experience. It's a totally gripping the first time you watch it, but once you know the story it's kind of boring to be honest. Not that it's a bad movie, but it doesn't have the same rewatchability as Batman Begins. Batman Begins is definitely my favourite Batman movie.
Batman Begins > The Dark Knight Begins at least is a fresh take on the property, with villains that we hadn’t seen on the big screen yet, a Gotham that felt like it’s own place rather than a poor reskin of Chicago or New York, and didn’t run on idiotic contrivances like the latter films in the trilogy. Begins is something I’ll happily watch again whenever it’s on, but TDK has aged very poorly and every time I watch it, I find another plot hole, contrivance, or character acting like a complete moron.
@SunTai Thing is, I think people only put Dark Knight on a pedestal _because_ of LedgerJoker. Otherwise it looks and feels just like all of Nolan's other movies. Batman Begins still feels a bit like old school, dark & mysterious batman, gothic Gotham and all. And for that, it's my favorite of the trilogy.
The thing that pissed me off the most about this movie is that somehow between the Dark Knight and the Dark Knight Rises Gotham City magically changed from Chicago to New York 🤔
Regarding the city changing to New york. I think it is the point Nolan trying to make. We did see batman take the fall for the future of Gotham. And it is told in the movie that this is a time of peace ✌️. So it is completely logical that the city turned out this way.
@@sandipansaha1296 i think it is less of an american thing than it is a consitency thing. as in, we use city A to represent gotham, but in the next movie gotham looks like city B which can break the immersion for people noticing it. Imagine thanos was blue in endgame with no reasonalbe explanation given.
Drinker, I have to disagree with you on a particular point in the plot In regards to the opening act with the two planes... While I concede the plot surrounding it unrealistic and ridiculous, the first aircraft bring unaware of another plane coming up behind it is quite conceivable. Airliners don't have mirrors, don't have rear windows, don't have rear cameras and their windows are flush with the body, so rear angled view is limited at best, totally rearward, none. As for radar and transponders, well airliners only have a forward looking weather radar, which wouldn't be able to detect even aircraft ahead of them in any meaningful way. Ground based Primary Radar (the kind which sends out and receives pulses) is only used around the immediate area of major aerodromes (approx 30 nautical mile radius). Other radar (where there is coverage) is Secondary Surveillance Radar, which is dependant on transponders (which can be disabled), and the modern GPS tracking system (ADS-B) can also be disabled, if it's even fitted. So based on that, it is quite possible for the aircraft in front to not be aware of the aircraft behind if it's running dark!
I know this is an old comment, but correct me if I'm wrong: Fixed wing aircraft can withstand many forces, but air resistance on the wings directly like when it broke off in the film is realistic because it's not designed for that kind of applied force.
Oddly enough, the airplane hijacking scene was actually largely doable. I don't know that you could suspend the aircraft that way using those points, but assuming you could, that sequence is probably not too far off of what would happen. I think the C-130 would have had a hard time staying straight and level, and the people in the smaller plane probably would've been thrown all over the cabin as the wings came off, but the rest isn't that unbelievable. The smaller aircraft would likely have upward facing windows in the cockpit, but the pilots wouldn't be paying that much attention to them. Incidentally, I used to work at the airport that C-130 is (or was at the time) based out of (Phoenix-Mesa Gateway). I can confirm they did use a real aircraft for much of the opening scene.
@@TheRettom I dont know if it would happen either, but think about all that leverage the wings have when in that position. Planes are just not designed for that shit
This is definitely the black eye on this trilogy. I remember all the rumors back in the day that there was going to be Catwoman penguin and Riddler for this film. How ironic that that's the way the new Batman film would go. Looking back on the trilogy I think they should have left Harvey dent in a coma and had him as the villain in the final film. They could have had him wipe out all of the crime Lords and take up their space. You could have even thrown in someone like black mask as the alternate villain.
Personally I can't even watch the new Batman. It's so boringly paced. It seemed to be trying to piggyback off the Joker but went too heavy on the art school douchebaggery. I got about 40 mins in.
I bought tickets so my co-worker and I could see this at the IMAX. Afterward he asked me how much I owed him. I said he owed me $20 for his ticket, and Christopher Nolan owed me $20 for mine.
The bullshit excuse used by the film was that there were "dozens of miles" of underground sewer areas that Bane's men could've been using. Compare Gordon's ordering literally every cop into the sewers, VS his actions in The Dark Knight when he tactically orders units to evacuate hospitals and secure the city. This plot line was bullshit because: A) Only tactical and SWAT teams would likely be sent into the sewer systems to hunt down Bane's men. If they needed more personnel, they'd call in units from neighboring cities or bring in state/federal forces to assist. One city PD wouldn't do it all on it's own, and even with most/all SWAT officers trapped, you would still have literally every other cop in the city. B) The fact that it was established in TDK, that outside forces (such as the National Guard) would be deployed to assist GCPD. The Army NG have special forces groups that would infintrate Gotham and assist the citizens and leftover cops in fighting against Bane's men. It's literally what they train for: Infiltration, recon and building up guerilla forces. This whole movie was full of fucking plot holes like this, destroyed at the first critical thought. TDKR sucked ass.
@@normadgarmez7026 Yeah, the police would always put someone on the exits to stop anyone else going in behind them. You could have shown them being killed by Bane's men and instantly it makes way more sense.
I always had problems with TDKR, you've just pointed them out more specifically. My main complaint though is that for the length of the film Batman is hardly in it, and when he finally comes back and faces Bane he just responds to Bane's one liner with "No. I came to stop you." Like, that's the best comeback he could come up with? And then he starts punching like he doesn't know all kinds of ninja moves.
That was my most immediate criticism too. Batman employed brute force *and* multiple fighting techniques in his first encounter (which he lost) so when he meets Bane again he employs just brute force (and wins)? I thought, what's the point in Batman's peerless expertise in fighting techniques if he isn't going to use them? This is THE thing about Batman: he is unbeatable at martial combat. There are many experts in ju-jitsu, karate, judo, boxing, MMA, etc. but no one but Batman has mastered them all *and* has super-weapons and gadgets designed specifically for winning in fights. Yet when faced with Bane did he cut loose and give the audience (and Bane) a dazzling display of the greatest unarmed combat assault ever witnessed - the only kind of brilliance that could take down a monstrous maniac like Bane? No, he merely fought like a one-dimensional boxer throwing head punches with louder grunts. It wasn't even as if he had a deliberate plan to remove Bane's mask (which should have been an obvious first tactic when he first took him on if only to dislodge it over his eyes). No, the mask gets knocked off incidentally and only then does he realise that Bane is weakened by its removal.
@@lordtullus9942 CHOP also ended up in dozens of murders, rapes, beatings, and so on and was defined as peaceful by the mayor until they annoyed the mayor and then the next day bulldozers showed up. Ambulances and first responders were blocked from entering during major calls such as shootings. Businesses inside were absolutely demolished and so on. It was absolutely crazy and funny to watch a bunch of idiots try to survive on their own. I saw a video where they took a flattened cardboard box, dumped fertilizer on top of it and threw some seeds on top without burying it and they wondered why they weren’t getting food. Also they thought plants grow in 2 days and produce fruit.
This is what you get when the entire reason for this movies existence was that Warner wanted a 3rd Batman movie from Nolan and Nolan wanted funding for Inception
One more thing I found particularly laughable and which you didn't mention was how Bruce Wayne trusted Anna Hatheway after betraying him twice (1st taking all his money, 2nd by almost killing him in the hand of Bane). How can a normal human being trust a wanted criminal and assassin who has betrayed him twice, let alone Batman. Couldn't she just betray Bruce once again and escape Gotham.
That's on Batman's comic writers as that's in his character. So it isn't on Nolan. Batman D protects him from being killed via betrayal from all the Women he meets.
That was the biggest problem I had with the film. Catwoman is a terrible person, yet the writers write batman to fall in love with her and be with her, he deserves someone much better
To be fair, the first transgression occurred before they were acquainted as Cat woman was merely being paid to steal Bruce’s identity. Her leading Batman into a trap probably shouldn’t have been so easily forgiven though
The scene of the bat symbol coming alight on the side of the bridge was the last straw for me when watching the movie. I'd had multiple problems with it but that was when I ended up laughing out loud. I just had the image of Batman sat on the side of the Batwing for hours painting a bat symbol in petrol on the side of the bridge. Chuckling to himself at how cool this was going to be later on.
Reminded me of that Robot Chicken skit where Daredevil showed up to the crime scene several hours early so he could figure out where to knock out the thugs and where to put his “big flamin’ D’s” on the ground. Recalling that 40ish second clip was more entertaining than this entire movie and I don’t even much care for Robot Chicken.
@John Mateus Joker is a complete loon yet pulls off intricate plans. People with mental health problems can still do things competently. Joker getting mental patients to do something competently isn't as silly to imagine as Batman sat painting a bat on the side of a bridge for hours without anyone seeing him. It's not only a huge logic leap but conjures up a laughable image. It's all well and good being symbolic but you can't just have things that look cool and symbolic happen without reason. That's the difference between great movie writing and ok movie writing.
Dude, no, they didn't get that right. I'm a licensed pilot, I've grew up with my dad flying, he presented my with my license when I turned 16, I own my own airplane and have flown several makes and models. To recieve their FAA airworthiness certification the airframes have to tolerate stresses WAY outside of normal operating loads. A 747 wing, for example will deflect 39 feet before it fails, I've seen the test videos myself and I've inadvertently put some WAY out of spec stresses on airplanes that I was flying and upon inspection after landing there wasn't even a loose rivet.
At fast enough speeds the wind drag would eventually damage the wings because planes aren't meant to fly like that. The videos you've shared show tests with the wings in a normal, horizontal position so they're not relevant to this discussion
@@winterking2510 Its a prop driven cargo plane flying at slow at low altitude dragging another plane under it, I seriously doubt it was going fast enough to do any damage to the wings like that.
I remember coming out of the theatre feeling really disappointed after watching the Dark Knight Rises but years later I heard Nolan describe it as a disaster movie. After rewatching it with that in mind, I enjoyed it a lot more.
@@Chadius_Thundercock the "bad" reason is, they are gullible and easily manipulated but there is a "good" reason as well. Sometimes it can happen that you watch a Movie with the wrong "mindset". Lets take the Movie "Logan" for example. If you went into the Movie "Logan" expecting the usual Superhero flick like "Avengers" with non stop action, cool one liners, jokes etc. you might be negatively effected by the Movies more serious tone and think its "bad". If you later watch someone explaining what the Movie is about and then go ahead and watch it again with a different mindset, you might actually be able to enjoy it and therefore change your opinion which was initially based on a wrong premise. In most cases its the first one though...sadly.
There's absolutely nothing that makes me hate a movie more that when Hollywood has two groups armed with guns chare each other like medieval armies. It's the dumbest thing ever & destroys all suspension of disbelief.
Hollywood is still in love with fistfights, it happens in way too many movies, including the recent marvel ones. Guys with guns use them like clubs, not as a ranged weapon.
Black Panther was a prime example of this retarded theatrics. Here we had the most secret-est, best-est high tech-est nation in the world, who arrays their Army for battle in a primitive frontal assault with no strategy, no flanking movements, no artillery, no air support, no kill zones or any anti-personnel devices-nothing. They didn't even use their 'battle Rhino's". Nope, 98% of the combatants were just on foot, running around with laser-spears. It did so well they used this non-strategy in Endgame
Dark Knight Begins was a poor movie. It was so full of plot contrivances that made a mockery of it's attempt at realism. joker needed the city wired for detonation so snaps his finger and it was so. Bleh.
Yeah it’s definitely the weakest of the three in terms of plot, but I’ll always love this film. Bane has always been one of my favorite comic villains and Hardy’s performance in this movie was just great, even if you couldn’t really understand him sometimes. Overall I agree, it is definitely overrated, but I still love it.
@@LucasMartins-dy6no Oh no you’re right. Bane was killed off in the dumbest way possible, and I’ve always wished they’d eliminated Talia from the plot.
This synopsis really makes it sound like Bane wasn't all that bad, he seems more like a life coach for Batman than a villain. Bane gives Batman space for his mental health recovery and time to heal his bones, a purpose for Batman to return to glory, and a shit load of potential ways to upend this "plan" at a moments notice. He's clearly just a Batman fanboy!
You're pretty much on point here, CD, except for the airplane breaking apart thing. It's actually a little disturbing how easily an aircraft (especially turboprop transport planes like that) will rip themselves apart if introduced to the wrong angle of attack at speed.
There are some ridiculous fails in this movie that were not adressed here: The thing that annoyed me the most is how Robin figures out that Bruce Wayne is Batman. Basically Robin sees Bruce as he visits one of his orphanages and recognizes the "angry look" on Bruce's face that only oprhans have. Thats it.. WTF?! Bruce has an angry look because he is an orphan, so what? Everyone knows this already.. every orphan presumably has this look, thats the reason why Robin recognizes it - because he is an orphan too and he feels the same. Wow man you found out that Bruce Wayne is angry due to the murder of his parents. Slow Clap mate. Nothing here - by your own logic - tells you that he is Batman, only that he is an orphan. Then there is the failed attempts by Bruce to leave the prison.. he falls 30 meters to the ground only to have the fall stopped by a rope that is tied around his waist. This would absolutely rip his spine in two pieces. Maybe rip his whole body in two. There is 0 chance he is not paralyzed after this. The amount of suspension of disbelief that is needed to accept this is so huge it always snaps me right out of the movie and I cannot get back into it. Weak movie.. no wonder Christian Bale was so disappointed with it!
With the jump, I remember wondering why Bruce didn't climb to the other platform, after climbing 30 metres or whatever to get to a platform to then jump across... I was probably missing something, can't say I was that switched on by this point in the film.
I agree Robin didn't sum up with the movie. Robin was just a dude that had a feeling that Bruce Wayne was the Batman, he confronted Bruce about it and Bruce was like whatever I have better things to do then worry about this punk. I personally would remove Robin from this movie, but having a feeling about something isn't forced. "This would absolutely rip his spine in two pieces.", I've never seen nobody in real life do this kind of stuff and you didn't see it either but I get your point. Batman tries to follow a more realistic approach since he's human and is more hand-to-hand combat, if go look how the whole thing was depicted you may think "I guess a real person would die or be permanently damaged", you can't really expect that in an action movie. At least you have to think twice before realising something wouldn't work like that in real life. You can't really apply logic to this stuff, if anything he should get his ass beaten up again in the end given that he was injured this time. It could've been better.
@@codeguy7309 i cant undestand how greatest detecive in Gotham wasnt able to make a fucking ladder,or bridge to this gap. Or throw rope with a hook. It is the most stupid prison ever.
The rope fall would not rip him in half lol, Ive seen rock climbers fall from similar heights and get caught by a rope dead stop. It hurts, but it wouldn't kill you. Now on the other hand Bats had just had his spine broken so I agree its still stupid. His entire recovery is already pretty hard to believe, made harder by suffering a fall and likely hurting his back again lol
The rope fall would not rip him in half lol, Ive seen rock climbers fall from similar heights and get caught by a rope dead stop. It hurts, but it wouldn't kill you. Now on the other hand Bats had just had his spine broken so I agree its still stupid. His entire recovery is already pretty hard to believe, made harder by suffering a fall and likely hurting his back again lol
I remember some 'friends' telling me that this film was fantastic not for what it was, but for the symbolism. The kind of person who defended Captain Marvel not for the film itself, but for the symbolism, yes I never spoke to these guys again.
@@Hamza-oy1dp In the end fight I was one of the cops in the front row, so you see my head a couple times before the charge and you see the back end of me right at Bane and Batman square off. We did two days of rehearsals in Brooklyn followed by two days of fighting by Wall Street in November 2011. Can't speak for day two of filming but day one had over 70 accident reports filed. I was also nearly trampled when I got knocked over by a Tumbler.
I'm in the industry mate, & I have a lot of respect for you guys. Your bodies are truly on the line for entertainment & make believe . I'm working my way towards and action flick as well.
@@ZombiAstral I got stupid lucky because they needed about 1100 people for the first day. In general MOST stunt work isn't falling out of buildings or setting yourself on fire (the latter I'm not trained for) but basic stuff like pushing, shoving and punching and falling. Although I don't care what people think; getting hit with glass bottles, even the fake ones, hurt like hell!
Great review. Reminded me of my reaction as I watched it, which was “this is incredibly stupid”. From the ridiculous first scene to the end “battle” where hordes of bad guys and police decide to ignore their weapons and just have a punch up. Awful from start to finish.
The only one in the trilogy that bothered whatsoever with Gotham, or aesthetics for that matter. The other films had no vibrancy beyond the Joker costume, but the first firm's opening sequence alone was so distinct. The climb up the mountain, climbing the peaks of Gotham. Very underrated movie.
One note drinker, there was a piece in the epilogue that explained how Bruce survived the nuclear blast. There was a quick bit about how Bruce managed to fix the AI on the bat-copter and enabled the auto-pilot. So you see, Bruce wasn't on the Bat-copter when it blew. Not that it matters this far after you posted the video. Hope this comment reaches your eyes somehow, anyway, that's all I got for now...........
@Black Ninja nice prose. Has nothing to do with reality, that's exactly when people would cling to and rely on guns. But hey, you made that completely wrong thing you said sound real pretty.
I think most knew there was no way it could come close to the previous. And it didn't. I've watched the first one probably 5 times, the second at least 10, and barely made it through this piece of shit once.
Batman Begins is the best movie in the Nolan trilogy in my opinion. Some people would say The Dark Knight is the best. The Dark Knight is a basic movie without Heath Ledger's performance as the Joker. You know those movies where one actor or actress carries the film on their back? The Dark Knight is a prime example. As far as The Dark Knight Rises goes, I don't even waste my time watching it anymore.
I used to be one of the guys that liked The Dark Knight, but found out that I liked Batman Begins a lot more. I love the teacher/student relationship between Ras and Bruce, the different interpretations of justice, the overall theme of fear, and the different shots of the golden colour that gives the movie a sort of a unique, thematic hue. Plus, I loved that the reason why Bruce doesn't 'deliberately' kill in this universe is because simply, his parents would be ashamed of him, rather than 'oh if he kills one person he wouldn't be able to stop himself from killing more and he would just turn into this unhinged mass muderer' that some material decides to use.
Saying "the dark knight is a basic movie without heath ledger" has got to be one of the stupidest things I've read in this comment section. The movie HAS heath ledgers performance. That is a fact. You can't look at the movie without it. He is the main character. Arguing that a movie would be basic without the key component can be done for anything to ever exist. His performance is incredible, how can you use that as a argument as to why the rest of the movie is "basic"? You don't have to like it more then begins, everyone has their favourites. But taking heath ledger out of it and saying "see?? It's just average without him!" Is like taking out the heart of someone and saying "see? He's not alive if he doesn't have his heart!!"
Some things about that one make it my favorite...it’s so satisfying to watch. The Dark Knight is such a fucking amazing movie but it’s so bleak and hopeless by the end.
Apparently Nolan's heart was not in it after Ledger died. He told the studio he was out, they told him they'd sue him into oblivion. So he gave it a half-assed effort and we got this.
I’m sure he wasn’t as driven as with the dark knight, but the sheer amount of planning and tight project management that must have gone into this one mean his effort certainly wasn’t half-asses
@@milton7763 Nolan did an interview where he essentially said he tried to walk from the production. I'm sure you're right on those counts, but he admitted he didn't want to be there after Ledger died. Joker was going to have a pretty good-sized role as well, including the judge (which Scarecrow assumed). I mean, major re-writes to the entire story had to change without Joker. But at least they didn't go morally reprehensible and try to replace Ledger.
yeah i also thought that begins was easily the best of the trilogy. it is a relatively well-done origin story and reboot, without the muddled, contradictory and nonsensical narrative and political messaging of the dark knight films also maybe it’s just me but ledger’s Joker doesn’t seem so great now that we have seen Joaquin Phoenix kill the part
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slow down there drinker, while you do make good points, there are some things you mentioned that need a closer look.
the frequency of these occurrences are increasing with every upload.
i still love yeh though.
I have been remaining silent but your courage has given me The bravery needed to step out into the light... I agree with this video.
@@felixader I remember everybody being enchanted by this film but clearly looking past a lot of flaws.
Gotta keep the “of course!”
@The Zoom wow who brought up the MCU? LOL I was talking about Bat Man and still am.
Bane: for my mastermind plan I need 30 years of ninja training, a nuclear bomb, an army, Wayne's accounts and batman equipment
The Joker: just give me some gasoline
And gunpowder.
@@londomollari1082 and a purple suit😁
@@bigt100 But not a cheap one ☝️
And a whole army of mafia hired gun.
Don't forget the pencil. Very important part of the act.
“It would be extremely painful… for you.”
-Drinker’s Liver on New Year’s Eve
Of course
Many thanks to our favourite drunken Scotsman for breaking this one into the constituent elements of bullshit. I remember this film as the first of a long line of films in which I was spotting the continuity errors, conveniences, and plot holes whilst in the theatre. I guess it marks a milestone of critical thinking development for which I'm grateful. It may be the one and only good thing that this movie delivered to me.
@Rob Melrose Oh, it has it all. The whole concept of burning a city to the ground to save it is fundamentally flawed. How does BW return from the desert to Gotham? It's a looong list.
"Nah, it'll be fine."
-Answers the Drinker.
you're a big guy
The “Of Course” clip needs to be a recurring line in the reviews from now on
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I don’t know, remember what happened to the clip of M. Bison saying “Of Course!”
dido
that shit is hilarious
Super easy.
Barely an inconvenience
I believe after Ledger's death, Nolan didn't want to continue but was forced to. Obviously, the Joker was going to return for the finale in a big way ("You and I are destined to do this forever...") but that became impossible unfortunately.
I agree; a glaring example of this is his casting of Cat Woman, he couldn't have found an actress more wrong for the role which makes me believe that he just said yes to Anne Hathaway because he didn't give a shit one way or the other. If he'd cared about the movie at all there were lots of better choices available.
@@Gamble661 yeah. The more I watch it, the less I enjoy the last one. It doesn't feel like a Nolan movie. The end is a jumbled mess (longest 11 minutes ever)
I think the 3rd act was supposed to have the Joker play a vital role, even if limited. Once that couldn't happen, I felt Nolan just threw something together wanting to get done with the trilogy and move on
@ThuleanPerspective Archive 🤓
Nolan never made any of the Batman movies with the intention of making a sequel, they’ve explained this many times. He said he wouldn’t return for a third one unless he was sold on a story.. which is unfortunate that this was that story.
The best thing about The Dark Knight Rises, is that Bane is so quoteable.
Memeable*
"Of course." - Bane
Ofcourse
I rsallly wish Christopher Nolan would've made the dark Knight rises a 2 part movie with the riddler as the villain. Bane doesn't fit Nolan's universe like that, but the riddler really would have.
For you.
Bane did prepare us for one unavoidable reality in 2020: wearing a mask makes it really hard for people to understand wtf you're saying.
And the appearance of the masks is quickly followed by mass looting and property destruction
Nothing good can come from people hiding behind a mask
*OF COURSE!*
@@beramtaib4713 Hiding? They're not hiding any more than asbestos removers are 'hiding' from mesothelioma.
@@guardrailbiter r/asbestosremovalmemes
Just realised that despite watching this film 2 or 3 times, I've never actually gathered what several of the major plot points were.
Same where it’s badly explained and comes across as tacky. Dark Knight could get away with being in a realistic universe because of Joker and the writing being really good. DKR shit writing, and it doesn’t feel like I’m watching a Batman film.
@117vids he had to make the world think the scientist was dead, think before you post.
Glad im not the only one. The plot just didnt seem to have flow and even now after watching this video i still dont get how the whole socialism thing ties into his motivations or what exactly he wanted to do. Joker was straight forward in the fact that his motivations were non existent. He was a mad man that just wanted to the world go to shit while trying to highlight the true nature of human beings
@@Blakout911 The socialist revolution was just a cover for destroying civilization. Bane knew that struggle sessions were the fastest and most efficient way to make Gotham turn in on itself so he promised the idiots and losers the spoils of the people they resent if they did his work for him. The truth was they got absolutely nothing and only hastened their own destruction.
Then you mast be 4 years old
I think they had a story already in mind for the third installment with the Joker, but had to scrap it because Heath passed. So they had to come up with something in a hurry, and ending up landing on Bane. Which I guess is because they decided a worthy physical adversary for Batman would be the next most interesting thing, and with the the League of Shadows connection from Batman Begins, they could explain that.
Overall, I think they did a good job of wrapping up the story, and I still really enjoy The Dark Knight Rises despite its flaws. It was very emotional, and we see further growth from Bruce as a character, as he finds purpose in life outside of Batman. I can understand why some people don't enjoy it or really care for it, but I think there is some nitpicking from reviewers.
Fully agree with this. Feel like fans had their expectations set unreasonably high after TDK being as incredible as it was. There was no way TDKR could live up to it. But even still with all the flaws and plot holes, I still love the movie and think it is a great conclusion to the Nolan trilogy
Couldn't they have used 90% of that story then with another villain? Aren't Bane and Joker kind of similar villains anyway at least as far their motivations go? If they had a decent story I think they should have been able to reuse many elements from it, but this plot is complete nonsense from start to end.
@@CargoShorts7 Even the Dark Knight had problems with it's plot.
Literally just about everything Drinker says about the plane you could apply to the guy with the bomb in his stomach.
No. Nolan just made a weak movie. Is not terrible but it several big flaws in several aspects.
I prefer it to the Dark Knight because of the emotional elements. Dark Knighy just seemed to jump from one Joker set piece to another,
Tom Hardy carried the whole movie on his shoulder and they straight up disrespect his character in the last act...
Your fanboyism has you blind to how lame Bane was. Sean Connery with a voice modulator.
@@sgt.thundercok4704 different opinion to you=fanboyism
@@sgt.thundercok4704 I am not blind, his plan was complete dogshit and his motivation made little sense. I am no fanboy of any movie character since I am a bit too old for that. It's just that Tom Hardy acting and one liners made this poorly written movie at least enjoyable. Take him out of the equation and you are left with nothing but a pile of garbage.
@@sgt.thundercok4704 you are just sad
@The Brightest Knight Yeah but the dark knight was already a good movie with a good plot, the Joker made it a masterpiece. Also they didn't ruin his character in the final act like they did with Bane.
Please tell me the Bane 'Of course' will be added to the Critical Drinker rooster of reaction memes
‘Of course!’
Not to be confused with M Bison's "Of Course!"
Of course.
M. Bison noises
To indicate when something’s a total cock up
One thing I found weird was that the prison in Bane/Talia's time was full of these homicidal rapists who literally ripped Bane's face off trying to get to a small child, but by the time Bruce was trapped there, it was apparently filled with the friendliest, most helpful people on earth.
What happened? Did all the assholes die off, escape, or were reformed?
Some of them were freed by Bane and Talia, as they decided to keep their enemies in the pit. Also, those remaining most likely got old, since at least a decade separates Bane's and Talia's story from the main plot of TDKR.
Yeah just really terrible writing
You do remember how Ra's Al Ghul came back to exact revenge on all those people right?
Also, the doctor feeding Bruce says "this is Bane's prison, he wouldnt want this story to be told" indicating that bane has a very strong hold on these prisoners and how they act
Because they had a locked door
@@krypticunlimited6925 So basically, the movie has an explanation, but is a little flimsy and easy to miss? Sounds about Nolan
The real question is, how did Craig get only 18 months for attempted murder?
Scotland.
The man who assassinated the mayor of San Francisco and a city supervisor served 5 years in prison, so 18 months when no one got killed isn't a stretch.
Exactly 😅
He could have been charged with attempted murder but not convicted of it
Europe doesn’t have a sense of justice. There was a guy who stabbed a female tennis player in the middle of a game and wasn’t even convicted of anything
You just know Nolan had plans for Joker in Rises. RIP man
Yeah I think that's why it's kinda wack
I mean, Nolan never denied it. He said the joker was going to be a big part of the unmade third movie
For Joker to cause so much misery for Batman in 8 years ,and not get mentioned even once in TDKR truly baffle's me.
@@Resident4Island That's why I always found them saying that not mentioning Joker was out of respect for Ledger strange. Not mentioning where The Joker was and basically pretending he never existed doesn't seem respectful to me. The only parts of The Dark Knight they mention are Two Face related.
@@Xehanort10 Ikr where is he, where is he alive or dead, did he get the Death Penalty or sent to Arkham Asylum. Health Ledger loved being The Joker is truly sad that Health Ledger passed away .He loved playing Joker and they didn't even mention him like he never existed .
Biggest plot hole:
Why WOULD someone shoot a man, BEFORE throwing him out of a plane?
No, no, that one I can get behind. It's better than risking it, especially in a comic book world where people develop superpowers from the weirdest shit.
@@todo9633 True
Dead weight of course. Next?
the hole makes a sound like they use in cartoon when a character falls down. You know the little flute with the metal arm?
@NamelessWeeb The ambulance... extremely far into the wilderness where... nah. This is one of the few points that makes sense.
People HAVE survived falls from airplanes, though usually with a partially functional parachute or something to slow their fall.
Even a bad Nolan film is an epic compared to most critically acclaimed films by today's standards.
exactly
That is true
Oh. (⌐■-■)
Aren't you a critic~ yes, you are. Yes, you are. 🤣🤣🤣🤣
a bad Nolan film is considered an epic and a critically acclaimed film by today's standards.
Fixed it for you, the only one I can stand is interstellar. The Joker one is okay but not quite the Joker.
i dunno sonic was a better film in 2020 than tenet
"Yet another title in the growing list of christopher nolan films that are nowhere near as good as you remember them." Spot on!
This review will be extremely painful.
4U
baneposting 👌
nah, we all knew TDKR is bad
“Of Course!”
For you
you are 100 percent right, but I still like the movie a lot
It definitely is watchable, but at some times not enjoyable because of the big plotholes.
the movie has lots of style over substance.
it is overall an average movie because of the plotholes and the nonsense of the story.
Is by far batter then all garabage with batfleck
so you're the problem.
Worst of the 3!
As an electrical engineer, I really hate when movies like this act like a nuclear reactor can be made into a nuclear bomb by flicking a switch. Nuclear power plants use 5% enriched uranium, nuclear bombs use 80% enriched uranium, and you’re not just going to get some scientist to magically enrich it for you!
Maybe that's why people are so afraid of nuclear energy. Hollywood dumbasses portraying reactors as ticking time bombs that can go off at any moment when, as far as I'm aware, you have to purposefully screw everything up for a Chernobyl scenario
Dude, reading your comment has been like a religious experience for me. I have never seen another person make this self-evident and easily understood observation in a comment (i.e. "weapons grade uranium" is common parlance that anyone who has seen a save-the-world movie has heard). I am so done with people thinking that exponential neutron chain-reactions are so easy to instigate and maintain that they can happen on accident, then getting pissed off when you tell them that Chernobyl wasn't a nuclear explosion. You have made my day.
Isnt it a fusion reactor?
@@keerthivasanr8562 Yeah was about to say, that this is always told to be a revolutionary new kind of energy form, so we don't even know what it is. If it would be a conventional reactor, then why would there be a gigantic science investment around it? How can someone think that this little egg is supposed to show a conventional nuclear reactor concept?
In DC Universe they need no uranium at all.
All plot holes aside, I enjoyed this super hero movie more than anything in the last 10 years
You have a fucked up taste in entertainment then
comparing this to the superhero movies now, this looks like a fucking masterpiece 💀
Luck on you. I was bored to pieces after the first hour, I couldn't believe the praise it got at the time. For me is one of those movies you can only enjoy if you can pause your brain and not think for a couple of hours, and unfortunately, I just can't.
@@claudioramirez84it IS a rather longer movie than the others. It does feel the crunch. It’s the same for me with the Batman. I think for me with that they spent so long on Penguin Id forget what the point was 😂
This was one of the worst major films I’ve watched. The plot holes are gaping and shout out at you as you go along - it needs no reflection to reveal them. That stupid attempt at a plot twist where that utterly forgettable CEO woman turns out to be the kid who escaped - like why add that? It adds absolutely nothing. Delete that and nothing changes. It’s characteristic of the entire, jumbled mess. Things happen because they momentarily sounded in the writers office like a good scene and then everything moves on to the next random event. This movie ruined Batman for me. Not watched one since.
"Because it's my job to be a miserable asshole and spoil everyone's fun". Noble work for those who are worthy. Well Done, Sir Drinker!!!🍻
Basically Bane's job in the movie
When seeing that batman logo on the bridge I always imagine Bruce wayne spending all day hanging on that bridge, whistling along with his radio and carefully painting the bridge with gasoline, making sure it looks just about right for when the city almost blows up because he wanted to be a painter instead of fixing the problem
Ha ha. Me to! Wasting precious time, climbing around that bridge with what must’ve been thousands of gallons of some kind combustible that doesn’t vaporise before Batman has saved the day.
Then, after saving the cops he’s like: “There, light it up. Look what I’ve done today”.
He couldn't have used gasoline, it would have evaporated. And especially because it was a vertical surface. You may be able to catch some of the fumes it was a puddle, if there was no wind. But on a vertical surface? No. First, the fuel would just run down the side, spreading it thin. And because you are up on a bridge you would have *_A LOT_* of wind blowing the fumes away. Which, if you didn't know, the fumes are what catches fire, not the fuel itself. In fact, you can do a little experiment; take some gasoline, put it in a metal bucket and toss a match into the bucket. You know what will happen? The match will fall into the gasoline and be snuffed out, the end. You might be able to soak some styrofoam in gasoline, which make a gelatin substance, and then spread that on and set _that_ on fire in this way, like it is depicted in the movie.
Or you can just do what they did for the movie and make it CGI.
Exactly. And he did it with a once broken back too (that magically healed).
Or maybe a drone set to spray a chemical of your choice, in a design of your choice.
I’m pretty sure Robin or Catwoman did it. It’s in a deleted scene somewhere
Every single line from Bane in this movie is quotable. There should be an Oscar for meme potential.
FOR YOU
Oh, you think that memes are your ally? You merely adopted the memes, I was born in them, molded by them. By the time I saw a serious post I WAS ALREADY A MAN!
Yeah well, every single line Thanos says is even more quotable. Where's Infinity War's Oscar noms?
@@dhrgkbqxtjr2743 You write like a much younger man, simping with nothing held back. Amusing, but mistaken.
@@dhrgkbqxtjr2743 Do you FEEL in charge?
The more I rewatch this movie the more I get the feeling that Tom Hardy as Bane kind of carries the movie.....
This scathing (and hilarious) review made me want to rewatch it, simply because it's such a great movie for what it tries to be.
Problem is it doesn't try to be The Dark Knight 3, it tries to be Batman goes camp in the most 80s way, except with cool "believable" visuals.
@@KristianRobertsen "Batman goes camp in the most 80s way" was Batman and Robin with George Clooney wearing the cape. We all know this. ;)
I can still hardly believe that it's Tom Hardy behind that mask. Superb performance.
I just wish they would have stayed true to the Roid Up aspect of the character
Of course!
"Its not like you can take over a city and the rest of the country stands by....Oh wait you can"....
*shows picture of "CHOP" in seattle and portland*
If only Dark Knight Rises had thought of a global pandemic restricting travel.
If Seattle and Portland had a nuke go off in either city it would actually improve it
@@falguard The fuck does a pandemic have to do with a bunch of anarchist brats who were never spanked as kids taking over part of a city and terrorising everyone there?
@@Longshanks1690 It gave them the impunity to do so.
@@falguard Yes, if the China Virus wasn't a thing, they'd be too busy at their jobs to do something like that.
(Bane: "*Of course!)*
I actually completely forgot that the Doctor punches Bruce's spine back into place. I guess it was so hilariously stupid that I deleted from my memory.
I think I deleted the entire movie from memory. If someone had asked me b4 watching this I would have said there were 2 batman movies with Christian bale
Umm, he hit the vertebrae that was protruding from his back, not his spine
Vertebrae are literally what make up the spine. xD
Yeah it makes NO sense. Bane dropped batman on his knee, wouldn't that push the vertebrae IN? Why would it be sticking out for prison doc to punch it back IN? I think Nolan just desperately wanted to include the iconic bane scene and then forgot how to resolve it with logic.
More stupid is the incredibly fast recovery without any proper physiotherapy. Took me 3 weeks to get my back back into shape after twisting a bit wrong, far from a dislocated vertebra.
The fact that the plane was riddled with bullets might look suspicious too.
Nah it'll be fine
They weren't trying to fake a plane crash, just crash the plane.
@@spencermalley10 this.
@@spencermalley10 Except for the whole elaborate plan to make it seems like a plane crashing, but y'know
@@Narcan885 Again nothing was said about making it look like an accident. He just ssid they were crashing it.
My best friend from college had an idea about this movie's ending vs Skyfall's ending.
In one, an effeminate villain with a handful of lackeys and a personal vendetta with the hero executes an attack on the hero at his family manor. The hero uses a secret tunnel to escape the trap and turn the tables.
In the other, a megalomaniac with a small army is threatening nuclear destruction. The hero sneaks in backed up by his own army, and the two armies fight it out while the hero takes out the megalomaniac.
In short, he posited, the two scripts were being carried and the carriers ran smack into each other, papers flying! After a mad scramble to get their pages back together, Bond got a Batman ending while Batman got a Bond ending!
"Christopher Nolan, you were eager to leave this franchise, right?"
"Off Course!"
Not sure if he's actually supposed to be Russian, that coat makes him look like a Russian lumberjack.
Whoops replied to the wrong comment.
I wonder if this is a rush job. Nolan may have not been fully prepared to deliver.
😭
I think you meant "of course" mate.
Let's not forget that everything after his first fight with Bane was done without his robo-knee.
And with a shitload of nerve damage in his spine.
But why wouldn't he just keep the magical robo-knee? Since it was so powerful you'd think he would make an entire exo-suit.
The magical robo-knee was an anti Chekov's gun which didn't need to be in the movie at all. They could have simply shown Bruce going through therapy. Or not made the bullshit claim that spending 9 months as Batman completely trashed his entire body via magic I guess because plenty of people have endured worse for longer periods of time and made it out ok.
Because of Lazarus pit that heals all wounds and makes you young again, which is explained in comics but NOT in the film.
@@casedistorted What's that got to do with these movies? There's no Lazarus Pit in them
@@InfernosReaper *PUNCH* Spinal surgery accomplished!
"The doctor punches his back together again because that's how complex spinal surgery works" 😂😂😂
Indeed, that's how it works. However, in some extreme, most severe cases a delicate garbage can treatment might be the last option.
That's how plastic surgery works too.
Nah it’ll be fine!
@@oscarjimenezgarrido7591 spine-o-cylinder
@@Bldyiii "Forget it Homer... It's Chiro-Town..."
Regardless of Rises itself as a movie, the way Nolan and the writers approached Batman and his world could've accommodated a 5 movie series, easily.
1 - the origin
2 - escalation
3 - vilification and defeat (Bane breaking him)
4 - the return, vindication, and bringing in Robin (or at least a potential successor)
5 - the finish to Bruce Wayne's story, solidifying the idea of Batman into a true legend (referencing Ducard/Ra's line in Begins) and the passing of the torch to the successor/Robin
I know Nolan wanted to be finished and WB had their own plans for Batman, rushing to establish the DCEU. But seeing how that didn't crash and burn, but rather exploded on the launch pad, now it seems like an especially squandered opportunity for what could've been an incredible series unto itself.
The blood transfusion thing was the dumbest part in that intro
No small feat.
It feels like they tried to do something smart to blow everyone away but it made no logical sense.
Yeah, they would have needed to drain a couple of gallons of blood whilst adding a Good 8 pints back in, what's depicted couldn't be more than adding 1 pint into the man's system giving at best an suspiciously inconclusive blood test that would have been proven by the dental records anyway.
Total disrespect of audience intelligence.
Yeah, because skin, saliva, hair, and teeth don’t give DNA. Oh and dental records could work too. What eve.
@@jedaaa not to mention why is that body sucking down that blood like that he has no pulse so no perfusion.
The answer to all the "why" questions is "So the movie can happen": (Ryan George).
I'm gonna need you to get aaaaall the way off my back about the 60000 cops in the sewer, okay?
@@AliRadicali "Won't it be hard for Bruce Wayne to survive all that stuff at the end of the movie?"
"Actually, it'll be super easy, barely an inconvenience."
- And then Bane flies Batman to the other side of the planet and puts him in a prison hole...
- Why?
- Because!
- That works!
Now I wanna go n watch that PM for the 50st time ✅
That answer is TIGHT.
Man, it would’ve actually been a cool visual to see an army of haggard, bearded, cops ready to go full Braveheart and beat some ass after several months in the sewers.
Yeah, and NOT fkn run into enemy blocks en-massa without firearms ffs.
Naw, it’ll be fine...
To be fair to Nolan, he got absolutely screwed by circumstances outside his control when Heath Ledger sadly passed away. He likely had a plan that either had to be scrapped or salvaged at the 11th hour. It’s not an iron clad excuse for the plot holes, but I give him more slack than the brain dead writers today that make worse plot mistakes and have no real excuse.
Despite its flaws, I’m still a big fan of this movie. While the pit doesn’t really make sense from a narrative standpoint, I love the symbolism it represents, using fear not just as a tool against one’s enemies, but also as a motivator in the face of hopeless odds.
NYC made a major mistake - instead of calling in the NYPD they should have had a legion of social workers to deal with Bane
Lmao 😂
Call the Jersey construction union and Bane would have been dead in minutes.
Maybe not with Bane, but it would certainly had helped with his followers who were all lost and disillusioned and left behind by the system.
@@wjzav1971 I hope you’re joking
@@DarranKern You think a proper social service system would not have prevented them from falling to crime, following a man who wants to tear down society?
the part that got me about the beginning is that the soldiers and cia personnel are all filled with bullets so why would they think it's an accident again?
I think THAT is the most concrete, and simplest, plot hole.
......... Bullet holes and bullets are so damning that a first day backwoods deputy would catch it, let alone the CIA.
Well, they could attribute it to one of the prisoners getting free and engaging in a gunfight, which caused the crash. But there was a of other things about it that I think would raise some red flags.
My dad's spinal surgery cost $324K USD. If only he knew the doctors could've punched it into place instead of cutting through the muscle
People tried to fix health issues before mega-expensive modern medical procedures, cut the movie some slack from your cinema sins style criticisms.
@@gandalfthegrey2592 so before fixing them with "mega-expensive modern medical procedures" they just gave you a good punch in the back? So even barbarians could be physicians back in Medieval times is what you're saying? 😂
@@damianplasencia2708 yes, in medieval Times there were phisicians, in roman Times mostly, and they were really good
Damn your children finna be in debt too
@@giovannizavarin199 that's a text-book definition of a straw mans argument you are employing there buddy...obviously there were "medical professionals" back then; no one is saying that's not the case 🙄
It really was not great. One thing that struck me was when Batman returns to Gotham at the end and has a street fight with Bane, the fact that it is daytime really made it look…silly and dumb.
I remember thinking the same thing when I was a kid on certain episodes of the animated series. Batman in broad daylight doesn’t work. Never will.
Talia's plan was to see Gotham suffer,
Bane's plan was to become internet meme
Of course!
Of course
@@demonkingbadger6689 Chunk Ogre (from the Young Turks): "OF COURSE!"
@@jayrobitaille2402 TRYNAHAVEAREASONABLEDISCUSSION!!!
YOU'RE A BIG GUY
Producer: So they send 60,000 police officers into the sewers??
Writer: It certainly seems like that's what we're going with.
Producer: Well okay then!
@John Jack Dodges the backhand and kick before punching John in the nads and sending him back to grammar school to learn to read and write coherently.
Super easy, barely an inconvenience
@@journeyman1218 "I'm gonna need you to get ALLLL the way off my back about that."
“Of course!”
"Wow wow wow."
Your comments about Gotham City being a character within itself is spot on. That was my biggest problem with this movie. Gotham was turned into alternative New York and all of the interesting gothy details that make Gotham City so interesting were missing form this movie.
It was so obvious to anyone that paid attention. Batman Begins and TDK had a river running through the city, a series of monorails, and an island in the center flanked by skyscrapers. New York with its blatant One World Trade Center in construction doesn’t exhibit any of that.
I actually thought that Gotham in Batman Begins and TDK was far more interesting and well-defined. But TDKR pretty much addresses this with the success of the police in the last 8 years to clean up the streets. It looks clean and boring because it's supposed to.
@@ADSheehan Gotham City in Batman Begins and The Dark Knight are based on Chicago and TDNR is based on New York. This actually shows that Nolan doesn't understand Gotham city is one the core characters in this comic book but He is only interested in showing some bombastic scenes so you drop your jaws, rather than giving the characters heart and soul. Mayor of Gotham city says that "No City is without a crime but this city is without an organized crime " so there is nothing stating the police cleaned up the streets in the past years. Whether there is crime or not, Gotham City should look or feels like Gotham City. A generic clean city = No Batman.
@@mobytoby8141 Well, that's true, isn't it? By the start of TDKR, Batman had been gone for 8 years.
@@mobytoby8141 Strange, as "Gotham City" was a nickname for New York in the 1800s.
I thought it was silly how Bruce and Batman go into hiding at the same time and then Bruce and Batman came out of hiding at the same time and no one puts two and two together. Plus I was hoping that Bruce's little leg brace device was going to be the thing used to defeat Bane. But was disappointed that Catwoman just shot him and they didn't have an epic fight at the end.
That scene is the worst offender in making this movie worse than it should've been, it just so completely undermines and destroys Bane's character to get killed offscreen by such nonsensical way that it ruined the entire fucking movie. Sure he was actually a "henchman" but to make it like he's the butt-end of the jokes one whose only role is to get killed by the hero(ine) to show s(he)'s badass and then forget about it... what a waste.
They did have a fight, Batman won. Then Miranda literally stabbed him in the back.
@@denroy3 They didn't say the _fight_ was disappointing, they said the way Bane died was disappointing.
@@sordos1I think this was around the beginning of “we need strong whamenz to save the day” and they wrote it in like that.
@@Nmdixon-cu7vm what to you mean. Batman saved the city.
There really should of be a catfight between Catwoman and Talia at the end of the movie.
There was going to be, but apparently Marion Cottillard had recently given birth and wasn't up for it.
@@mr.barcode3186 that is such a crying shame. Is that true? I've done some research but I've never seen anything to really confirm that. Either way, such a missed opportunty. Would of been great to see Anne Hathaway in action like that
@@monstermash1571 yeah she was pregnant through filming.
@@revolverswitch For the lads who are into those, I do animate Catfights. Check out Black Cat vs Black widow on my channel! I'm working on Catwoman vs Black widow next, stay tuned boys.
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For everyone that doesn't know: real fusion reactors would be pretty much impossible to make explode. They are incredibly complex and hard to operate. Not to mention creating a fusion reaction and maintaining it is a literal fight against physics trying to make it dissipate.
Think, trying to grab fire in your hands and keep it from going out.
They keep confusing fusion reactors with old fission reactors.
A possible comparison is natural gas and coal plants. With natural gas (fission) you need to make sure you don't have too much flowing into the combustion chamber. With coal (fusion) you need to make sure you get enough in.
@@jonsimpson6240 I don't really have a grasp of the physics, but I've read somewhere that it'd probably be easier to to build a nuclear bomb from basically scratch than make a fission reactor explode in a nuclear reaction. Build a dirty bomb, sure, but fission bomb? I guess not.
@@lassesipila6418 True. Chernobyl was a steam explosion, caused by the reactor running too hot, resulting in radioactive material being blasted all over the place. For a truly nuclear explosion, you need to quickly compress highly enriched fissile material so that it'll react enough before blowing itself apart. The fuel in a reactor (AIUI) isn't nearly pure enough to make a bomb.
fusion reactors are pretty much impossible....and thats why it was big deal in the movie "first of its kind"
@@smammam3663 Commercial fusion reactors are only twenty years away... and have been since (at least) the seventies.
"Mr Wayne you traded all your money on unsecure stocks and are bankrupt " .
" no i didnt if you check your cctv and your records you will find it's the armed militia in the stock exchange with copies of my fingerprints - can i have my money back?".
A more subtle one from The Dark Knight:
The entire Gotham organized criminal underworld: "Joker robbed our banks! How dare he take our money / Our investor Lau took all our money to Hong Kong so the Gotham polcie can't take it (and then Joker eventually burned half of it)"
Actual accountants/economists/bankers: "...does Nolan think that all money is held in banks as *cash?* The vast majority of money isn't even printed/minted; it exists as digital records, and deposits are insured. If you laundered it properly, you're not going to lose anything when a bank gets robbed."
2:40 that is kinda realistic, the wings aren’t designed to handle so much wind resistance across their whole cross section.
Yes they are. That is literally what they are designed to do.
@@Davidsworldtravels Go on then, elaborate how they're designed to be moving at hundreds of km/hr as the plane is shown in the movie? Give a real life example where a plane would be moving in that manner, with that much resistance across such a large surface area? Did you even learn physics in school?
@@IIHydraII they are not shown to be moving that fast at all. You can even see the ground clearly from the earlier shot and they’re not even going fast. And no I learned it while in pilot training and they showed how strong these airframes are in stalls, intense wind gusts, and spins. The wings don’t just fall off bc you change the angle of attack.
@Davidsworldtravels as a licensed pilot, yes they absolutely can and do (check out "Tanker 130 from 2002). It would take near impossible stresses in any "normal" flight condition, which obviously this isnt. That Aoa and airspeed is literally impossible for the aircraft, so I guarantee it exceeds the g-load structural limit. It should have floundered and pendulumed far more than depicted though, way too stable (which also gives some hints to how it was filmed).
@@Davidsworldtravelsbut not on such angle, that'll introduce extreme amount of turbulence and causing the wings to disintegrate from G force. Even if wings still intact then it would tilt the fuselage backward but it only happened so brief before breaking.
Ah yes, the movie where an army of highly trained mercenaries forget they have guns and repeatedly try to tap Batman on the chin instead of shooting him.
Movies. All Batman movies treat him as Iron Man rather than a sneaky weirdo in a bat costume. Newer movies should be treating Batman v. gunmen fights like in Arkham predator fights where he has to avoid getting shot.
@@dragonknightleader1
Batman warehouse scene did well. Then they flopped with shitty lex luthor and mother scene
They tried to do a group fist fight like in Civil War.
Except without the previous camaraderie, super powers, fun, excitement, continuity, sense, cinematography, fight choreography and satisfying conclusion.
Is all.
@@dragonknightleader1 Raimi would've made good batman movies. They would've all had the vibe of the hospital scene from Spiderman 2.
You watched 3 movies of the trilogy and you still did not realise most of them in the pack are not mercenaries but Assassins from the League of Shadows.
It is also not Bane's plan but Talia's plan based on her father's original plan the bring terror the Gotham before destroying it like the League of shadows did it for Rome like quoted in Batman Begins. In 20 years and a lot of rewatches, you and Drinker might perhaps even understand the continuity of the 3 movies even with their flaws.
Totally Agree, this film is overrated.
But I do think that Batman Begins ain't bad. It had actually more of that grimy dark Gotham you described.
Batman Begins in my opinion is the best of the trilogy.
@@bigkmoviesandgames IMO, Begins feels more like comic-based story, with great atmospheric Gotham, ninjas and all that stuff, but Dark Knight went over the top with realism etc. and it feels a lot like a generic action movie, just with Batman and Joker shoehorned in. For me, Begins was more memorable, with it all flaws.
@@bigkmoviesandgames I was going to say the same. I don't like Dark Knight or Dark Knight Rises. They just don't feel like Batman, are way too long, bloated and boring with plots that rely on one convenience after another. Begins feels the most Batman of the whole trilogy. That being said, Batman Returns is still my favorite Batman movie LMAO 😂
@@Endru85x
I agree that the look and feel of begins is the best like you said it doesn't go overboard with the realism like TDK which just looks like Chicago. I know the film isn't flawless but honestly, although I'm no expert, it seems to be the least flawed of the trilogy at least if we're being objective.
@@ravendarklawgaming197 I agree TDK is too long but I do still like that one and yeah batman returns is awesome.
"Why didn't they bring two dead bodies so Bane wouldn't have to leave one of his own men behind?" I'M DEAD.
Just like the guy Bane left behind.
Its actually very simple :
They couldn't have anticipated that . When they got on the Plane Littlefinger made the call that " only one of you gets to stay on my aircraft " . He filed the flight plan for one additional passenger with the intention of throwing the other 2 out therefore forcing them to leave one in the wreckage
@@herrsiemes7094 I wish people were like you and actually though about their arguments before presenting them .
@@herrsiemes7094 how can they not have anticipated that they would fill out at least one more passenger. they shouldve expected to have to fake even more deaths if anything
no you're alive
While I agree with many of the hangups (police in the sewer, stock exchange BS), I do think Bane's plan deserves a bit more examination. I interpreted the whole thing as a torture device for Bruce Wayne, an ultimate revenge for his destruction of the League of Shadows. "When Gotham is ashes, you have my permission to die." Bane knew Wayne would never respond to bodily torture or fear of death, so he chose to torture his most beloved cause instead: Gotham City. So he cut the city and watched it bleed discontent. (The riots were almost certainly a commentary on the silly "occupy" movements popular in America at the time.) All the while he held a blade over Gotham's neck, telling Wayne that at any moment, someone could execute it. Yes, the plot had to jump through some extreme hoops to prop up this premise, but it's a fascinating premise nonetheless.
Exactly, a lot of the contrivances are purposefully contrived by an actual character in the story
Somewhat cool idea but totally lost in the sorry trash heap
The Dark Knight Rises was a movie that felt much more cobbled together than the other two. I'm pretty sure that's because Heath Ledger died and they had to figure out what to do.
I'd have been surprised if Ledger was going to be any more part of this movie than Neeson was in the second movie
@@jarrodbright5231 Then you would have been surprised pleasantly
Originally Nolan wanted Heath for the third film to appear in a trial to scar Harvey Dent making Two Face the main villain of that movie. When Heath died they couldn't do that so they put Harvey becoming Two Face in the second film.
@@andrewdau1299
WTF? Are you trying to make us believe that the scene where the Joker pays Harv a hospital visit in his female nurse attire was cobbled together after Ledger's death? The movie was reportedly in post production by then.
Please, stop making up crap. This is not a schoolyard recess, we're not gullible kids prone to believe someone just 'cause and there's this little BS-obliterating thing called the internet, in case you haven't heard about it.
@@oscarjimenezgarrido7591 What are you talking about? I never said that particular scene was cobbled together. I said Nolan had plans for Joker in the sequel but due to Heath's death he had to change things. This was in The Dark Knight art book. No need to be upset man.
This movie is the best definition of "because im batman". How can you escape from prison? "Because im batman!", how can you survive the bomb? "Because im batman" and so on
Why did you set that bridge on fire?
'how can you survive the bomb?'
"Perhaps this is how Batman got back into Gotham that one time..."
- Bane (while traveling through the vortex), LEGO Dimensions
Fair however the movie does explain how he survives the bomb.
It should be “Because of Superman”
How could Bruce come back to Gotham from Indian prison? “Because of Superman.”
How could Batman survive the bomb? “Because of Superman.”
@@devinkipp4344 wait how ? I thought that was nuclear bomb ?
I used to think that Bane’s plan would never have worked in real life...then Chaz/Chop happened.
And both failed
To be fair it really isn't the same thing. That is trapping the Police Department in the sewers so they can't interfere isn't quite the same as the Mayor just being a Commie that orders the Police defunded. Though both were pretty stupid, and neither worked in the end.
LOL, you're comparing that joke shitfest?
The way the critical drinker adds in Banes' "of course" made this a hundred times more wholesome 😂😂😂
The best was The Predator when garey busey kept saying.. " A FUCKING ALIEN"
The Dark knight rises is a perfect example of what can go wrong with a 3 movie contract.
Nothing is perfect pal, i still love this trilogy.
It’s still an INCREDIBLE trilogy
@Arhaan the witcher You're awesome Geralt.I love The Witcher franchise hope Witcher 4 come's out soon.
@Star Killer Why?
Sometimes, a story is perfectly told with two movies and a third would have nothing to add.
Look at the Terminator Franchise.
"It turns out that little girls can escape from poorly guarded, completely illogical prisons, too." Bam.
To be fair, she's the daughter of Raz Al Gul.
Which doesn't explain why a little girl would be in a poorly guarded, completely illogical prison...
Take that, patriarchy!
@Greg Elchert That doesn't seem like an explanation. Precisely where in the world are you allowed to send a "substitute" to serve a prison sentence?
@Greg Elchert so why did they say 'yes all right little girl, you can go to prison instead'?
Because of air resistance and a larger surface area, that plane would definitely lose its wings.
@@757hh did I defend anything else? I only stated the fact that the wings would fall off.
@@757hh The repel was real.
@@757hh An Airplane expert said that its possible
Wouldn't the wings still be too far away from the rest of the plane? I mean too far for it to look like an accident?
@@aimilios439 No, it wasnt. The C130 their "rappelling" from has a cruising speed of about 200-300 mph. You put a man out the back on a rope at that speed their rope is going to be basically horizontal bc of wind speed and the top plane will be so far forward theyll see it easy. But watching the film their ropes are almost vertical and the bottom plane cant see the C130 at all. So no, basic physics says that scene was BS.
The fact that Bruce Wayne literally walked or perhaps hitchhiked his way back to Gotham cracks me up. He was bankrupt, had no idea where he was in the world, and just shows back up in Gotham after traveling off screen. Lol! What???
batman begins is a good film, i actually watch it more often than Dark Night
It's easier to watch for sure. The Dark Knight is less a movie and more of an experience. It's a totally gripping the first time you watch it, but once you know the story it's kind of boring to be honest. Not that it's a bad movie, but it doesn't have the same rewatchability as Batman Begins.
Batman Begins is definitely my favourite Batman movie.
The full title is "Batman Begins to Apologize for the Schumacher films"
Batman Begins > The Dark Knight
Begins at least is a fresh take on the property, with villains that we hadn’t seen on the big screen yet, a Gotham that felt like it’s own place rather than a poor reskin of Chicago or New York, and didn’t run on idiotic contrivances like the latter films in the trilogy.
Begins is something I’ll happily watch again whenever it’s on, but TDK has aged very poorly and every time I watch it, I find another plot hole, contrivance, or character acting like a complete moron.
It's the best one, probably. Just establishes the character really well. Only crap thing is the voice.
@SunTai Thing is, I think people only put Dark Knight on a pedestal _because_ of LedgerJoker. Otherwise it looks and feels just like all of Nolan's other movies.
Batman Begins still feels a bit like old school, dark & mysterious batman, gothic Gotham and all.
And for that, it's my favorite of the trilogy.
The thing that pissed me off the most about this movie is that somehow between the Dark Knight and the Dark Knight Rises Gotham City magically changed from Chicago to New York 🤔
Regarding the city changing to New york. I think it is the point Nolan trying to make. We did see batman take the fall for the future of Gotham. And it is told in the movie that this is a time of peace ✌️. So it is completely logical that the city turned out this way.
whats the difference
That pisses you off the most?
Not even top 10
Who cares?
Oh americans..
@@sandipansaha1296 i think it is less of an american thing than it is a consitency thing. as in, we use city A to represent gotham, but in the next movie gotham looks like city B which can break the immersion for people noticing it.
Imagine thanos was blue in endgame with no reasonalbe explanation given.
Drinker, I have to disagree with you on a particular point in the plot In regards to the opening act with the two planes...
While I concede the plot surrounding it unrealistic and ridiculous, the first aircraft bring unaware of another plane coming up behind it is quite conceivable.
Airliners don't have mirrors, don't have rear windows, don't have rear cameras and their windows are flush with the body, so rear angled view is limited at best, totally rearward, none.
As for radar and transponders, well airliners only have a forward looking weather radar, which wouldn't be able to detect even aircraft ahead of them in any meaningful way.
Ground based Primary Radar (the kind which sends out and receives pulses) is only used around the immediate area of major aerodromes (approx 30 nautical mile radius).
Other radar (where there is coverage) is Secondary Surveillance Radar, which is dependant on transponders (which can be disabled), and the modern GPS tracking system (ADS-B) can also be disabled, if it's even fitted.
So based on that, it is quite possible for the aircraft in front to not be aware of the aircraft behind if it's running dark!
are you in the military?
I know this is an old comment, but correct me if I'm wrong:
Fixed wing aircraft can withstand many forces, but air resistance on the wings directly like when it broke off in the film is realistic because it's not designed for that kind of applied force.
@@jerinjoseph596 used to work for ATC
Oddly enough, the airplane hijacking scene was actually largely doable. I don't know that you could suspend the aircraft that way using those points, but assuming you could, that sequence is probably not too far off of what would happen. I think the C-130 would have had a hard time staying straight and level, and the people in the smaller plane probably would've been thrown all over the cabin as the wings came off, but the rest isn't that unbelievable.
The smaller aircraft would likely have upward facing windows in the cockpit, but the pilots wouldn't be paying that much attention to them.
Incidentally, I used to work at the airport that C-130 is (or was at the time) based out of (Phoenix-Mesa Gateway). I can confirm they did use a real aircraft for much of the opening scene.
@@TheRettom I dont know if it would happen either, but think about all that leverage the wings have when in that position. Planes are just not designed for that shit
This is definitely the black eye on this trilogy. I remember all the rumors back in the day that there was going to be Catwoman penguin and Riddler for this film. How ironic that that's the way the new Batman film would go. Looking back on the trilogy I think they should have left Harvey dent in a coma and had him as the villain in the final film. They could have had him wipe out all of the crime Lords and take up their space. You could have even thrown in someone like black mask as the alternate villain.
That actually sounds like a good idea.
Personally I can't even watch the new Batman. It's so boringly paced. It seemed to be trying to piggyback off the Joker but went too heavy on the art school douchebaggery. I got about 40 mins in.
Riddler would've been much better for this film than catwoman or bane
I bought tickets so my co-worker and I could see this at the IMAX. Afterward he asked me how much I owed him. I said he owed me $20 for his ticket, and Christopher Nolan owed me $20 for mine.
what a badass
Anne Hathaway is my favorite Catwoman just because she looks like someone's hot suburban mom dressed as Catwoman.
This is also why Halloween is the best holiday.
Karenwoman
Agree, although I enjoyed Michelle Pfeiffer's transformation from awkward goofy secretary to bad girl in Batman Returns.
I felt she was like Michelle Pfeiffer Catwoman in character and Lee Merriweather’s Catwoman in appearance, or near enough.
I must be the only heterosexual guy in this world who's not into that broomstick, apparently.
When all the cops went underground, I just couldn’t get over that
I was like WTF man, why would send every cop underground without leaving some above ground in case something happened that would trap them.
The bullshit excuse used by the film was that there were "dozens of miles" of underground sewer areas that Bane's men could've been using. Compare Gordon's ordering literally every cop into the sewers, VS his actions in The Dark Knight when he tactically orders units to evacuate hospitals and secure the city. This plot line was bullshit because:
A) Only tactical and SWAT teams would likely be sent into the sewer systems to hunt down Bane's men. If they needed more personnel, they'd call in units from neighboring cities or bring in state/federal forces to assist. One city PD wouldn't do it all on it's own, and even with most/all SWAT officers trapped, you would still have literally every other cop in the city.
B) The fact that it was established in TDK, that outside forces (such as the National Guard) would be deployed to assist GCPD. The Army NG have special forces groups that would infintrate Gotham and assist the citizens and leftover cops in fighting against Bane's men. It's literally what they train for: Infiltration, recon and building up guerilla forces.
This whole movie was full of fucking plot holes like this, destroyed at the first critical thought. TDKR sucked ass.
@@normadgarmez7026 Yeah, the police would always put someone on the exits to stop anyone else going in behind them. You could have shown them being killed by Bane's men and instantly it makes way more sense.
I'd say all the cops charging a mercenary army that's armed with machine guns and tanks was pinnacle stupidly.
The dumbest crowd act captured on film.
I always had problems with TDKR, you've just pointed them out more specifically. My main complaint though is that for the length of the film Batman is hardly in it, and when he finally comes back and faces Bane he just responds to Bane's one liner with "No. I came to stop you." Like, that's the best comeback he could come up with? And then he starts punching like he doesn't know all kinds of ninja moves.
That's your main complaint? That Batman didn't give a savage comeback to Bane? Kids, these days. Lmao
Batman had to fight aggressive, cause fighting ninja style didn't help the first time
@@JAY-mm9xz that makes no sense whatsoever i.e. there is no such thing as fighting non-aggressively.
That was my most immediate criticism too. Batman employed brute force *and* multiple fighting techniques in his first encounter (which he lost) so when he meets Bane again he employs just brute force (and wins)? I thought, what's the point in Batman's peerless expertise in fighting techniques if he isn't going to use them? This is THE thing about Batman: he is unbeatable at martial combat. There are many experts in ju-jitsu, karate, judo, boxing, MMA, etc. but no one but Batman has mastered them all *and* has super-weapons and gadgets designed specifically for winning in fights. Yet when faced with Bane did he cut loose and give the audience (and Bane) a dazzling display of the greatest unarmed combat assault ever witnessed - the only kind of brilliance that could take down a monstrous maniac like Bane? No, he merely fought like a one-dimensional boxer throwing head punches with louder grunts. It wasn't even as if he had a deliberate plan to remove Bane's mask (which should have been an obvious first tactic when he first took him on if only to dislodge it over his eyes). No, the mask gets knocked off incidentally and only then does he realise that Bane is weakened by its removal.
Christopher Nolan is a great director.
But fighting Choreography? Not apart of the talent at all.
The CHOP joke literally Killed me im dead now
It was kinda funny. I just need to know what chop is
It was originally called CHAZ (Capitol Hill Autonomous Zone), but they changed it when they had to start begging Daddy Government for supplies.
TL;DR They tried to make Twitter: The Country. It didn't work.
Get well soon.
@@lordtullus9942 CHOP also ended up in dozens of murders, rapes, beatings, and so on and was defined as peaceful by the mayor until they annoyed the mayor and then the next day bulldozers showed up. Ambulances and first responders were blocked from entering during major calls such as shootings. Businesses inside were absolutely demolished and so on. It was absolutely crazy and funny to watch a bunch of idiots try to survive on their own. I saw a video where they took a flattened cardboard box, dumped fertilizer on top of it and threw some seeds on top without burying it and they wondered why they weren’t getting food. Also they thought plants grow in 2 days and produce fruit.
This is what you get when the entire reason for this movies existence was that Warner wanted a 3rd Batman movie from Nolan and Nolan wanted funding for Inception
I think you mean Interstellar. Inception came before this.
In an alternate universe, Ledger is still alive and plays the main villain in this film.
I prefer to think of him as ledging heaths in another dimension.
So then it would suck as much as 2?
@@moved2bitchute779 Always has to be one contrarian, just because
@@MegaDcmp always has been....both postive and negative. I don't think drinker is innocent of kinda being one to lol.
@@moved2bitchute779 a classic going against the masses person. Look man, dark knight was a great film
One more thing I found particularly laughable and which you didn't mention was how Bruce Wayne trusted Anna Hatheway after betraying him twice (1st taking all his money, 2nd by almost killing him in the hand of Bane). How can a normal human being trust a wanted criminal and assassin who has betrayed him twice, let alone Batman. Couldn't she just betray Bruce once again and escape Gotham.
That's on Batman's comic writers as that's in his character. So it isn't on Nolan. Batman D protects him from being killed via betrayal from all the Women he meets.
That was the biggest problem I had with the film. Catwoman is a terrible person, yet the writers write batman to fall in love with her and be with her, he deserves someone much better
I mean to be fair, she literally asked him this exact question in the film, lol.
Or, also coulda just been thinking with his dick.
To be fair, the first transgression occurred before they were acquainted as Cat woman was merely being paid to steal Bruce’s identity. Her leading Batman into a trap probably shouldn’t have been so easily forgiven though
He did it all for the nookie
Victory has defeated you!.
- One of the best line in the movie
The scene of the bat symbol coming alight on the side of the bridge was the last straw for me when watching the movie. I'd had multiple problems with it but that was when I ended up laughing out loud. I just had the image of Batman sat on the side of the Batwing for hours painting a bat symbol in petrol on the side of the bridge. Chuckling to himself at how cool this was going to be later on.
Hahahahahahaha thats a hella funny mental image. Thanks for making this movie much better for me
Reminded me of that Robot Chicken skit where Daredevil showed up to the crime scene several hours early so he could figure out where to knock out the thugs and where to put his “big flamin’ D’s” on the ground. Recalling that 40ish second clip was more entertaining than this entire movie and I don’t even much care for Robot Chicken.
Movie went from super-hero drama to Will Farrell comedy in that scene.
Its something i would expect iron man to do, just fir the sake of showing of. But not in a situation like this
@John Mateus Joker is a complete loon yet pulls off intricate plans. People with mental health problems can still do things competently. Joker getting mental patients to do something competently isn't as silly to imagine as Batman sat painting a bat on the side of a bridge for hours without anyone seeing him. It's not only a huge logic leap but conjures up a laughable image. It's all well and good being symbolic but you can't just have things that look cool and symbolic happen without reason. That's the difference between great movie writing and ok movie writing.
Actually, the broad side of wings on planes aren't meant to take wind drag like that. They wouldn't last long at all. The movie got that much right.
I don't buy it. Search RUclips for "airplane wing stress test".
At high speeds yes. At the speed they're going I doubt that the air resistance would be enough to rip the wings off like that.
Dude, no, they didn't get that right. I'm a licensed pilot, I've grew up with my dad flying, he presented my with my license when I turned 16, I own my own airplane and have flown several makes and models. To recieve their FAA airworthiness certification the airframes have to tolerate stresses WAY outside of normal operating loads. A 747 wing, for example will deflect 39 feet before it fails, I've seen the test videos myself and I've inadvertently put some WAY out of spec stresses on airplanes that I was flying and upon inspection after landing there wasn't even a loose rivet.
At fast enough speeds the wind drag would eventually damage the wings because planes aren't meant to fly like that. The videos you've shared show tests with the wings in a normal, horizontal position so they're not relevant to this discussion
@@winterking2510 Its a prop driven cargo plane flying at slow at low altitude dragging another plane under it, I seriously doubt it was going fast enough to do any damage to the wings like that.
I remember coming out of the theatre feeling really disappointed after watching the Dark Knight Rises but years later I heard Nolan describe it as a disaster movie. After rewatching it with that in mind, I enjoyed it a lot more.
In what way "disaster movie"
@@alexanderwindh4830 in that the Movie was a Disaster!
It's awful and stupid
Dark Knight was a disaster movie, this was just a sad disaster
I don’t understand how someone can change their opinion on a movie by hearing what someone else said
@@Chadius_Thundercock the "bad" reason is, they are gullible and easily manipulated but there is a "good" reason as well.
Sometimes it can happen that you watch a Movie with the wrong "mindset". Lets take the Movie "Logan" for example. If you went into the Movie "Logan" expecting the usual Superhero flick like "Avengers" with non stop action, cool one liners, jokes etc. you might be negatively effected by the Movies more serious tone and think its "bad".
If you later watch someone explaining what the Movie is about and then go ahead and watch it again with a different mindset, you might actually be able to enjoy it and therefore change your opinion which was initially based on a wrong premise.
In most cases its the first one though...sadly.
There's absolutely nothing that makes me hate a movie more that when Hollywood has two groups armed with guns chare each other like medieval armies. It's the dumbest thing ever & destroys all suspension of disbelief.
Hollywood is still in love with fistfights, it happens in way too many movies, including the recent marvel ones. Guys with guns use them like clubs, not as a ranged weapon.
True true true
All they needed was for the police to scream "FOR THE EMPEROR!" and it would be a 40k film
Black Panther was a prime example of this retarded theatrics.
Here we had the most secret-est, best-est high tech-est nation in the world, who arrays their Army for battle in a primitive frontal assault with no strategy, no flanking movements, no artillery, no air support, no kill zones or any anti-personnel devices-nothing.
They didn't even use their 'battle Rhino's". Nope, 98% of the combatants were just on foot, running around with laser-spears. It did so well they used this non-strategy in Endgame
@@matthewronsson yeah it's pretty racist when you think about Black Panther that way.
“No one cared who I was until I took off the mask” - Bane 2020
Dark Knight Begins was a poor movie. It was so full of plot contrivances that made a mockery of it's attempt at realism. joker needed the city wired for detonation so snaps his finger and it was so. Bleh.
"NO one cared who i was until i put on that beanie" - Tim Pool
meta as fuck
Yeah it’s definitely the weakest of the three in terms of plot, but I’ll always love this film. Bane has always been one of my favorite comic villains and Hardy’s performance in this movie was just great, even if you couldn’t really understand him sometimes. Overall I agree, it is definitely overrated, but I still love it.
How do you feel about the way bane is defeated? The ending is insulting, ans raz al gul girl? I cant watch that ending, pisses me off.
Bane was the only good thing about the movie and even then they totally screwed him for the ending
@@LucasMartins-dy6no Oh no you’re right. Bane was killed off in the dumbest way possible, and I’ve always wished they’d eliminated Talia from the plot.
The analogy of Craig and his hanger-ons is absolutely poetic. Excellent conclusion.
This synopsis really makes it sound like Bane wasn't all that bad, he seems more like a life coach for Batman than a villain. Bane gives Batman space for his mental health recovery and time to heal his bones, a purpose for Batman to return to glory, and a shit load of potential ways to upend this "plan" at a moments notice. He's clearly just a Batman fanboy!
You're pretty much on point here, CD, except for the airplane breaking apart thing. It's actually a little disturbing how easily an aircraft (especially turboprop transport planes like that) will rip themselves apart if introduced to the wrong angle of attack at speed.
There's something about the phrase "oh fuck off film" that never gets old
My favourite was;
Fuck RIGHT OFF film!
I still laugh at that, but to be fair I'm live in Scotland too, and it's part of the language here.
There are some ridiculous fails in this movie that were not adressed here:
The thing that annoyed me the most is how Robin figures out that Bruce Wayne is Batman. Basically Robin sees Bruce as he visits one of his orphanages and recognizes the "angry look" on Bruce's face that only oprhans have. Thats it..
WTF?! Bruce has an angry look because he is an orphan, so what? Everyone knows this already.. every orphan presumably has this look, thats the reason why Robin recognizes it - because he is an orphan too and he feels the same. Wow man you found out that Bruce Wayne is angry due to the murder of his parents. Slow Clap mate. Nothing here - by your own logic - tells you that he is Batman, only that he is an orphan.
Then there is the failed attempts by Bruce to leave the prison.. he falls 30 meters to the ground only to have the fall stopped by a rope that is tied around his waist. This would absolutely rip his spine in two pieces. Maybe rip his whole body in two. There is 0 chance he is not paralyzed after this. The amount of suspension of disbelief that is needed to accept this is so huge it always snaps me right out of the movie and I cannot get back into it.
Weak movie.. no wonder Christian Bale was so disappointed with it!
With the jump, I remember wondering why Bruce didn't climb to the other platform, after climbing 30 metres or whatever to get to a platform to then jump across...
I was probably missing something, can't say I was that switched on by this point in the film.
I agree Robin didn't sum up with the movie. Robin was just a dude that had a feeling that Bruce Wayne was the Batman, he confronted Bruce about it and Bruce was like whatever I have better things to do then worry about this punk. I personally would remove Robin from this movie, but having a feeling about something isn't forced.
"This would absolutely rip his spine in two pieces.", I've never seen nobody in real life do this kind of stuff and you didn't see it either but I get your point. Batman tries to follow a more realistic approach since he's human and is more hand-to-hand combat, if go look how the whole thing was depicted you may think "I guess a real person would die or be permanently damaged", you can't really expect that in an action movie. At least you have to think twice before realising something wouldn't work like that in real life.
You can't really apply logic to this stuff, if anything he should get his ass beaten up again in the end given that he was injured this time. It could've been better.
@@codeguy7309 i cant undestand how greatest detecive in Gotham wasnt able to make a fucking ladder,or bridge to this gap. Or throw rope with a hook. It is the most stupid prison ever.
The rope fall would not rip him in half lol, Ive seen rock climbers fall from similar heights and get caught by a rope dead stop. It hurts, but it wouldn't kill you.
Now on the other hand Bats had just had his spine broken so I agree its still stupid. His entire recovery is already pretty hard to believe, made harder by suffering a fall and likely hurting his back again lol
The rope fall would not rip him in half lol, Ive seen rock climbers fall from similar heights and get caught by a rope dead stop. It hurts, but it wouldn't kill you.
Now on the other hand Bats had just had his spine broken so I agree its still stupid. His entire recovery is already pretty hard to believe, made harder by suffering a fall and likely hurting his back again lol
YES, at last someone noticed that this movie makes no sense at all.
Nah HISHE talked about that years ago.
Bruh... People have been saying this since it came out
I remember some 'friends' telling me that this film was fantastic not for what it was, but for the symbolism.
The kind of person who defended Captain Marvel not for the film itself, but for the symbolism, yes I never spoke to these guys again.
@o o f nah
Still a good watch. I'm not sure if it's just pretty good on its own, or it's just otherwise been mostly crap out for years.
I'm forever bonded to that film, it was the first stunt role I ever had. Sprained a knee during that final fight scene.
What stunt did u do in what scene
@@Hamza-oy1dp In the end fight I was one of the cops in the front row, so you see my head a couple times before the charge and you see the back end of me right at Bane and Batman square off.
We did two days of rehearsals in Brooklyn followed by two days of fighting by Wall Street in November 2011. Can't speak for day two of filming but day one had over 70 accident reports filed. I was also nearly trampled when I got knocked over by a Tumbler.
I'm in the industry mate, & I have a lot of respect for you guys. Your bodies are truly on the line for entertainment & make believe . I'm working my way towards and action flick as well.
@@rafterscott nice bro, I would have lived to be a extra in the tdk trilogy, never knew it would be that much dangerous
@@ZombiAstral I got stupid lucky because they needed about 1100 people for the first day. In general MOST stunt work isn't falling out of buildings or setting yourself on fire (the latter I'm not trained for) but basic stuff like pushing, shoving and punching and falling. Although I don't care what people think; getting hit with glass bottles, even the fake ones, hurt like hell!
The sequel is about Bruce Wayne living as a hair stylist on Europe, *The Dark Knight Rinses*
A hair stylist named Bruce is all too believable.
That actually made me L.O.L.
not europe. canada
Great review. Reminded me of my reaction as I watched it, which was “this is incredibly stupid”. From the ridiculous first scene to the end “battle” where hordes of bad guys and police decide to ignore their weapons and just have a punch up. Awful from start to finish.
I think batman begins is an underrated Masterpiece, that gets lost in the shadow of the dark knight
Could not agree more. IMO Batman Begins is the best cinematic adaptation of a ‘superhero’ property to date.
I agree. Only problem for me is the fast editing with the fights, but it is a superior film for sure
The only one in the trilogy that bothered whatsoever with Gotham, or aesthetics for that matter. The other films had no vibrancy beyond the Joker costume, but the first firm's opening sequence alone was so distinct. The climb up the mountain, climbing the peaks of Gotham. Very underrated movie.
All batman movies are childish vapid overrated trash, same as every other superhero movie. They're targeted towards man-children.
@@kentgregory yeah i like the batman begins suit as it looks better than the dark knight one
Drinker: "Go away now"
Me: "OF COURSE."
Follow him.
Why does he say that?!
The best use of Bane can be seen right here. ruclips.net/video/IkMPZ7WeDck/видео.html
"Ahv cœursh!"
I agree with the Drinker on everything here. But I still love the movie. Sue me.
You will be hearing from my lawyer
It was a sad ending to a trilogy of excellence. That makes it okay. I would never say I love the DKR.
That would be the very definition of a frivolous lawsuit so....hate to be that guy but yeah
@@notapplicable7944 something tells me you don’t hate to be that guy
@@howisthatgay4275 something tells me you don’t get the joke.
One note drinker, there was a piece in the epilogue that explained how Bruce survived the nuclear blast. There was a quick bit about how Bruce managed to fix the AI on the bat-copter and enabled the auto-pilot. So you see, Bruce wasn't on the Bat-copter when it blew. Not that it matters this far after you posted the video. Hope this comment reaches your eyes somehow, anyway, that's all I got for now...........
Two hours into the movie somebody finally realizes Bane is in fact not bulletproof, and shoots him.
He went out like a punk
Yes, but I think that the joker, scarecrow, ras al ghul and like 95 % of batman enemies from comic and video games have the same weakness
@Black Ninja nice prose. Has nothing to do with reality, that's exactly when people would cling to and rely on guns. But hey, you made that completely wrong thing you said sound real pretty.
I loved the first two movies, but even when I first saw this I was disappointed. This film felt drawn out even in a vacuum.
I think most knew there was no way it could come close to the previous. And it didn't. I've watched the first one probably 5 times, the second at least 10, and barely made it through this piece of shit once.
@@sgt.thundercok4704 is lazy slow as fuck!!!!....even has bad ACTING!!
I feel like this film started the trend of movies having ridiculous conveniences. Looking at you Disney Star Wars....
Ridiculous conveniences? Is this another "plothole" fallacy that idiots use to complain about movies they don't understand?
@@moonlitebrite9317 no it is the proper term for contrivances that sacrifize common sense just to push the plot forward.
@@pn8937 Right, you have to sacrifice common sense not to have everything explained to you. Christ, it's the TLJ backlash all over again.
The best use of Bane can be seen right here. ruclips.net/video/IkMPZ7WeDck/видео.html
@@moonlitebrite9317 Consume product and get excited for next product.
Batman Begins is the best movie in the Nolan trilogy in my opinion. Some people would say The Dark Knight is the best. The Dark Knight is a basic movie without Heath Ledger's performance as the Joker. You know those movies where one actor or actress carries the film on their back? The Dark Knight is a prime example. As far as The Dark Knight Rises goes, I don't even waste my time watching it anymore.
I used to be one of the guys that liked The Dark Knight, but found out that I liked Batman Begins a lot more. I love the teacher/student relationship between Ras and Bruce, the different interpretations of justice, the overall theme of fear, and the different shots of the golden colour that gives the movie a sort of a unique, thematic hue.
Plus, I loved that the reason why Bruce doesn't 'deliberately' kill in this universe is because simply, his parents would be ashamed of him, rather than 'oh if he kills one person he wouldn't be able to stop himself from killing more and he would just turn into this unhinged mass muderer' that some material decides to use.
Saying "the dark knight is a basic movie without heath ledger" has got to be one of the stupidest things I've read in this comment section.
The movie HAS heath ledgers performance. That is a fact. You can't look at the movie without it. He is the main character. Arguing that a movie would be basic without the key component can be done for anything to ever exist.
His performance is incredible, how can you use that as a argument as to why the rest of the movie is "basic"? You don't have to like it more then begins, everyone has their favourites. But taking heath ledger out of it and saying "see?? It's just average without him!" Is like taking out the heart of someone and saying "see? He's not alive if he doesn't have his heart!!"
Batman Begins is underrated and overshadowed by the Dark Knight
Some things about that one make it my favorite...it’s so satisfying to watch. The Dark Knight is such a fucking amazing movie but it’s so bleak and hopeless by the end.
Agreed. Begins is my favorite. Dark Knight felt like a really dry cop drama much of the time.
@@denimchicken104 Well, it is about the greatest detective of the world.
@@londomollari1082 the key word there was **dry**
@@denimchicken104 Oh, well then, why was it dry for you?
Apparently Nolan's heart was not in it after Ledger died. He told the studio he was out, they told him they'd sue him into oblivion. So he gave it a half-assed effort and we got this.
I’m sure he wasn’t as driven as with the dark knight, but the sheer amount of planning and tight project management that must have gone into this one mean his effort certainly wasn’t half-asses
Seems right.
Sad if true. I'd have just gone full camp and made it like the Adam West show.
That's exactly what happened. Ledger's death unfortunately ruined what was to be an awesome sequel.
@@milton7763 Nolan did an interview where he essentially said he tried to walk from the production. I'm sure you're right on those counts, but he admitted he didn't want to be there after Ledger died. Joker was going to have a pretty good-sized role as well, including the judge (which Scarecrow assumed). I mean, major re-writes to the entire story had to change without Joker. But at least they didn't go morally reprehensible and try to replace Ledger.
Agreed that they jumped the shark on this one but I actually enjoy "Begins" as much as TDK if not more.
Not more,surely not more,Ledger alone pushes TDK far ahead of Begins
Begins used to be my favorite. Though Dark knight is my favorite now, I still enjoy begins a lot
I think that the dark knight is the best of the 3, but I still liked batman begins. I've never liked the third movie though.
yeah i also thought that begins was easily the best of the trilogy. it is a relatively well-done origin story and reboot, without the muddled, contradictory and nonsensical narrative and political messaging of the dark knight films
also maybe it’s just me but ledger’s Joker doesn’t seem so great now that we have seen Joaquin Phoenix kill the part
Begins is the best, most flavorful of the 3.