3 Martial Arts Experts try VR Fighting
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- Опубликовано: 4 авг 2023
- I Put Karate Black Belt @KARATEbyJesse Kung Fu Master @KevinLeeVlog and Weapons Expert @hard2hurt through a VR Fighting Test!
The games in order were
Thrill of the Fight
Dragon Fist Kung Fu
Gorn
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Mike: Going too far
Seth: Pulls off VR goggles
Mike: Existential crisis intensifies
I had the same experience after taking off mine
lol
he deff bought one after he went home
I saw this comment before the end of his section and I grew a bit concerned. Bah ha ha ha ha!
Ay tbf I had the same thing when I took off my headset for the first time and said almost the same thing like "am i still in vr why do my hands move like this am I in control of my body" especially after waking up such a weird feeling
Never a master, sometimes a teacher, always a student 🙏 Thanks for introducing me to VR Seth! 👍Although I prefer when pure knuckle meets pure flesh 👊💥😎
Hi jesse
Jesse does that mean you are liking Kyokushin?😅
Jesse I love ur vids
Jesse, we need to cook
All of you guys are great. Thanks
I love how psychopathic Mike can be lol
we saw a glimpse of it during the zombie rpg
@@mr.brightside7496 And animals he could take in a fight
I think in one of his videos where he sits in his gym with his green drink on his channel he is talking how most of these guys in his gym have to be psychopaths to be fighters and the girl is giving him looks for that
@@PaMuShin I remember something like that, yeah
You mean, relatable :)
Watching this back I feel even less real.
Mike, can you do a video on VR and if a person can use that to practice self defense? I love your contents by the way, I started carrying a fighting flashlight because of you!
I programmed your life Mike. Unfortunately I have a sick sense of humor. Sorry.
Well you are right, you are not real, you are just like an avatara. But the consequences of this game feel real to you, same as with your desired things, thus keeping you prisoner in this VR Game until you suffered enough or made enough experiences of looking through it with wisdom, as such seeing everything is transient, to stick to it is suffering.
Maybe you got a first glimpse of it, by having a clue of how easily sensual experience can be altered and as thus cannot be a stable/real thing. Congratulations Mike.
@@scottynguyen2183 no need for video. you absolutely can't. VR is so bare bones that you only can do very simple stuff and it's still buggy. You can use it to work out though, which helps in combat.
@@PaMuShingreat comment!
Icy Mike's bloodlust was amazing to see, haha. Didn't expect the deep conversation about dissociation and depersonalization afterwards, but it was definitely amusing.
This was such a fun video and then mike hit us with the existential nihilist crisis.
I've often felt like an extra in a sitcom that was cancelled long ago but nobody told anyone that was in it.
That show is in syndication now lol
Made real breakthroughs there😂
My life is that crisis. Neve learned basics, but appreciate how eloquent some can be.
Where do I order this game?
Haha, my first experience to VR. It was definitely hard! Thank you sir! It was fun!!
You killed it!
That was extremely funny when you turned your back at the enemy and started training on the Wooden Dummy! If this were online with another person in PVP, that would have been a funny insult. "I beat you and I have time to get better than you~" So, nonchalant and chill mid-battle! _❤🔥MC Worthy❤🔥_ 😆Absolutely loved it 💖
bro went into existential crisis after trying vr lmao
"I think I forgot to breathe." I hear you, Jesse. I do that almost every time I play a VR game, despite telling myself not to.
I do this every time I compete in kata.
Really makes VR Golfing more intense
"Do you think that's air you're breathing ?"
@@Falkharstole my comment! ❤
Well, at least you're building your cardio up. That's more than what most people do these days. It's a good thing and I'm jealous you even let yourself get there. Get too tired these days. Keep up the good work!
Mike's got a point with the reality thing
For real
Vr is indistinguishable from magic and going into a different dimension .
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Mike stayed in the Matrix for too long 🤣 We saw blood, he saw all the 1s and 0s
Dude was way too into it
@@eduardocarranza4333 No way! lol Dude just knows how to let go and have some fun
watching martial artists get philosophical was the funniest thing ive seen all day
There's no spoon, grasshopper!
I would watch a 4 hour podcast of Mike asking deep questions like that and exploring those ideas
Thats why we have Joe Rogan
Mike gave us all an uppercut to the mind by the end
Blade and Sorcery would be a cool one for you all to try, can do weapons and barehanded, so you can try your different styles a bit all in the same game.
Yea you can even do a bit of jiujitsu in that game, especially if you got the choking mod. I like going for takedowns into arm triangles or back takes and chokes shit is mad fun
@@Shoop67 haven't modded it yet but I definitely like seeing what I can do barehanded
@@soldierx345 word weapons are lame 💯
was hoping it'd be here
@Shoop67 you can do a lot with a knife in your off hand
Icy Mike is definitely talkin about depersonalization in relation to himself. Seth I think was talking more about derealization. Where the rest of the world doesn’t feel real. Both of which can be a symptom of experience trauma either early in life or even just over a long period of time. Which makes sense for Icy Mikes background as a police officer.
I’m not a psychologist or anything but in studying it for school, we learned a lot about that (as well as other personal experiences that lead me down learning what happens to our brains)
Even though I know part of it is for the camera. I still think it would be good to talk to someone about those feelings. That feeling of being uncomfortable “out in the real world” and realizing you feel more comfortable in a much more violent environment can be distressing and definitely make life a lot more difficult than it already is!
Awesome video btw Seth
yeah I felt this was the information mike was missing. it's comfortable cos he's been in that environment a lot.
@@cruxmind right yeah! That makes a lot of sense!
This actually would explain why I had similar thoughts years ago considering my childhood was a mixed bag to say the least
Yeah I'm familiar with it, when you're engaged in violence everything just makes sense and fits together.
You are You, your opponent is your opponent, win, enjoy the rush, there's nothing else. There's no politics, no social nooks and crannies, no worry. Just you and them.
It's been 6 or 7 years since I got past that area but there's still a small part of me wanting that rush again, I hate it but it is what it is ig
The part at the end was weird. They started talking about how they didn't know if they were real, and then looked into the camera, and said "You're in a coma, Sad Attic, and you need to get out". A very unexpected turn of events, to say the least.
That was just a dream, stay right where you are...it's the best place for you, it's where you are safe.
You yankis are weird
We're not sure how this message will look to you. But please Andrew, WAKE UP, IT'S NOT REAL!
I find it hilarious that what Mike described feeling like you're not you after leaving vr for the first time is pretty much how I felt and it was the same game I played
I love how VR fighting games don't inspire conversations about self-defense, they inspire conversations about solipsism, ie. the only certainty is that YOU are real, cogito ergo sum, I think therefore I am...you guys have managed to catch up to Rene Des Cartes. Congratulations! I will say this. Mike is the first person I've heard to question if HE'S real though. That's actually impressive.
Correct me if I'm wrong, but doesn't solipsism usually start with doubting that oneself is real?
@@HessianLikeTheFabric Hell if I know, I'm an idiot.
@@nucklechutz9933 You sounded like you're into philosophy xD tbf, I'm also interested to the point of even studying it, but I honestly have no clue
@@HessianLikeTheFabric Well, now we sound like philosophers. To your point, from what I understand of Des Cartes (from synopses and analyses of translations from other people, I never read him myself) he is supposed to have come to "cogito ergo sum" via questioning his own existence. But when I say Mike is the first person I've heard question his, I don't mean like, positing it as a philosopher would. Mike said it the same way someone says: "sometimes I get mad at politics." "Sometimes I have gas." "Sometimes I think I'm not real." Shit blew my mind, man.
Descartes arrived at the conclusion "I think therefore I am" by starting from a position of total skepticism. He assumed that every single thing he knows and believes could be false and is not justified to believe. If even your most deeply held beliefs (things that you are unquestioningly certain of) could be false, then what can possibly be known to be true? What must necessarily be true regardless of your evidence and justifications? Well, to even be able to ponder the question means that I must exist. Something that doesn't exist can't think to question its existence or knowledge. I think therefore I am. That alone must be justified to believe even if everything else about my reality is false.
There are certain other necessary truths such as mathematical truths. 1+1=2 must always be true by definition. There's no possible world where it doesn't hold true. Look up "necessary truths" and "contingent truths" if you want to learn more about this concept. "Radical skepticism" is a fun rabbit hole if you want to basically retrace Descartes steps.
so just incase you're wondering, one of my hobbies is hanging out in VR chat and that feeling you get coming out of vr after spending a good enough time in it is dissociation. Your brain gets used to the VR body and trying to navigate in that space that it has to take a bit to reboot and get that normal feeling back. So far there's no concern to have about it (unless you're hearing and seeing shit, in that case please go to a hospital) but its kinda cool to reflect in those moments and think about perception and reality.
EVERYONE knows you NEVER Pull someone out of VR. They have to come out themselves or a part of them never leaves VR...
Yeah that stuff Icy Mike was going through is a self aware moment of dissociative depersonalization/derealization for sure which is usually a post traumatic stress symptoms ( I guess it can be under any freeze, fawn, flight, or fight pattern as a way to protect the mind from processing an overwhelmingamount of stimulation in the moment) either from overt recent events or a history of subtle complex trauma (developmental neglect/abuse etc.). Grounding exercises are important for helping bring someone back -- qigong or yoga in particular might be useful as it challenges one to weather the "boredom" and feel back into their body + environment again while relinking the experience to breathing and clearing the mind + any somatic tension etc. But also talking through/writing can help at times too.
When Sensei Seth collabs with the best, you know it's not just a video, it's about learning something new and having fun. 👊👊👊👊👊
Mike and Jesse are like complete polar opposites. Ones timid and quiet the other abrasive and loud.
Mike just casually struggling with the problem of hard solipsism in an existential crisis lmao
I knew Mike was gonna love gorn 😭
That got way more philosophical than I would have thought.
I bet Mike would have had an even better time with VR if flashlights were a choice of a weapon. Great video Seth!
When I first tried VR I had a moment where I was in the same headspace as Mike. Like, it feels WAY too comfortable in the metaverse. whether it's a violent experience or a peaceful one.
To have that sort of experience and hear it from someone else is surreal.
Came for the martial arts Avengers, stayed for the philosophy lesson at the end!
Mike :- _plays VR_
Also Mike :- Am I real ?
I bought the pro controllers to eliminate the tracking dead zones and really dialled in the settings, and damn Thrill of the Fight is awesome now.
They just put out an update that improved the tracking
@@DC3328Quest Pro controllers track themselves instead of being tracked by the headset, so you can put them behind you or on the other side of objects where the headset can't see them without losing tracking.
"These type dudes think rules are fun" LOL Icy Mike said a mouthful! LOL
I'm a martial arts expert and I use VR as my workout. VR is good for keeping the reflexes sharp and cardio up. It could change how we train as fighters maybe in the future we'll have robots to train with.
it's crazy how easily tricked your brain is with VR. 3 rounds of Thrill of the fight and my heart is racing
That last part hit the feels. The topic does come up in my head when I feel extremely sad. 😢
Sorry to hear that, bro but glad you're sharing and so aware of it -- those can be really difficultmomentsand it'simportantthat you are finding ways to communicateit where you can amd when you can with others who can recieve it responsibly in a supportive way plus work through what you can to understand and do something with it.
I know finding good and accessible/affordable therapists can be difficult but if you can it's worth looking into.
Usually that's indicative of past developmental / complex trauma (e.g. growing up in extremely stressful situations like moving a ton in childhood, prolonged poverty/emotional neglect, abusive upbringing/community, etc.), or overt trauma.
So learning what you can about dissociation/derealization, complex trauma /cptsd and ptsd can sometimes help get a better sense of what you're feeling and why. The depersonalization/ derealization responses tend to happen when people are overestimated and working through some sort of freeze/fawn/flight/fight trauma response pattern as a way for the brain to try to protect you/itself by not really processing all the details right then and there until you're in a percieved safer space/environment/time.
On RUclips there's a lot of good therapist channels that cover these, I think the Crappy Childhood Fairy is one of them and the algorithm will point you to others from there.
For me grounding exercises (look up the 54321 colors, sounds, textures, smells, tastes exercise; also sometimes butterfly hug and tapping; sometimes just eating a spoonful of hotsauce or if I can go for a run/work out doing stuff until the exercise pain/burn prioritizes my attention and need to focus brings me back) plus especially qigong or yoga helped me to bring me back into my body (in a way that made my mind and body think/feel I was in a more stable situation so that any intrusive thoughts or pent up stuff could run its course while I'm still lucid) and with the environment around me helped a lot. The qigong meditation channel here on youtube might be a good start for those exercises and there's often overlap with some shaolin Kung fu too.
Wishing you well, stay strong and safe, and hope that helps!
Great to see all three of them try VR! It’s a fascinating experience, and the philosophical dialogue at the end was great to leave in. Also, yes, what Mike felt is indeed one of the big questions that gets asked with everything that VR brings to the table. I certainly wonder what will change for all of us as these things move forward.
Anyway, thanks for the fun, and I hope for more of this awesome collab!
I love that you do videos like this! If you ever get your hands on some higher end stuff like PC powered VR and full body tracking, I hope you throw people into that too. Being able to throw kicks and have a better 1:1 of what your physical body is a whole different level. Great stuff
For weapon stuff, you should try out Blade and Sorcery. It probably has the most realistic weapons combat on quest right now.
personally my simple answer to that typical existential crysis is "whatever, my life is all i have, and i better make use of it how i see fit. i'm free to nurture any reflection on the nature of things, on the nature of my own being and reality, as they ultimately have little to no bearing on how i live my life, only on what i will think of it doing so."
Oh my gosh so there's depersonalization and derealization, and hearing you all talk about those two forms of dissociation was so cool!!
The feeling that the world/people around you aren't real or are a dream or figment or whatever is derealization, and feeling you yourself aren't real or are fake/imaginary is depersonalization - they're both forms of mental detachment, and are more common under stress, but can also happen more regularly to those with various dissociative disorders. (or even just people who struggle with dissociation amongst other things). Super fascinating subject!!
That said adored the video and you-alls dynamic, I'm so happy I've found this channel and I love it so much.
I love that Jessse is always wearing his Karategi!
The way mike just laughs like the guy in home alone ‘’ where’s my money Johnny. How much do i owe ya.”
Karate guy looked bad ass
I'm in love with these Martial Artists trying VR types of videos. It's refreshing to see good techniques being used while playing these games.
OMG bro! You are crazy funny and I love all the collaborations. You just showed up on my feed last week so I've been binging you like crazy. I love what you do. I love your analytical approach to all martial arts and I love how you give respect to some off-the-wall stuff like sumo. I spend most of my time doing Ed Parker for some reference. Keep up the good work my friend.
Mike suddenly started to have an existensial crisis and started to get othets into it too lol
That was AWSOME! I've been watching your videos for a long time and this was by far one of my favorites!
Watching Mike going full Cartesian was brilliant and scary at the same time 😂😂😂
Surprised Mike didn’t pick the hammer!
You guys should try VFC (Virtual Fighting Championship) as well some time. It's pretty intense as well, and is multiplayer. Could get Kevin and Jesse going against each other or something. :D
That got unexpectedly existential at the end.
I love how the convo got real at the end of the video, i relate to you guys with your thoughts, and it was funny to see yall talk so deep all a sudden. Great video though, loved it, hope yall are staying well and are blessed. Peace
Anyone else genuinely concerned for Mike after this? Like damn it someone give the man a hug and tell him it will be ok
It’s a good thing believe it or not, mike will be a wise man if he is thinking about reality and himself within it, he will be on a good path.
Jesse was so fast with that "no" 😂😂😂
Please more of this it's brought immeasurable joy
Seth, I just happened to be wearing headphones when I watched this, and music sounds great! You're really stepping up your video production game.
You guys are the dudes of dudes and I’m here for it. Love watching y’all have fun. Also mike needs a psvr for his birthday lol
What a fun and lovely collaboration
I love how you guys go from having the time of your lives bashing skulls in the most sociopathic way in VR to having an existential crisis and talking about what is real or not, questioning everything like a Metal Gear character.
Never played VR but I can understand the feeling of being more comfortable in another world. This is something a lot of gamers go through, especially Skyrim players. Escapism is addicting.
When I was a child playing videogames was just for fun, but then shit happens, everything falls apart, a kid can't do nothing to stop things from happening, so find some comfort on games were everything depends on your skill and dedication, but even if you lose there is no consequence to it. Things get worse as you grow older.
The SWAT guy went full "Total Immersion Syndrome" at the end there.
I feel mikes soul is so ancient that the vr experience brought a sense of peace to his already broken and chaotic life in the social norm; we forget sometimes that we are just one energy living amongst other copies of itself and that’s why some people we love and some we hate just like the parts of ourselves within that we cherish and avoid; maybe his soul was dropped into the gladiator pits and pushed to fight to its end and that’s why he paused and took the weapon choice rather seriously as well as the whole experience of fighting for survival in that game ( the brain can only feel as connected to something as it is invested in it and he was heavily influenced by that experience) my verdict is he didn’t experience disassociation he found a part of himself within that has been ignored dependently on the fact that life is different now and reality isn’t as much as a thrill if all we are is cattle to the slaughter machine for profit and not a killing machine doing it’s own work for redemption like a true gladiator
Showing again how fighting brings out our true nature. Icy Mike's true nature was to be a Danish raider in the 1300s.
You guys should try blade and sorcery. I know Mike would love it because the weapons feel more real than most vr games. You can also put some more techniques to use like disarming. Not to mention the way the kicks work in the game feels about as good as vr will get without feet tracking lmao.
You have to try Blade and Sorcery for VR, as well as a game called Bonelab VR. For unarmed and melee combat, no VR game even comes close to Blade and Sorcery, and the mods for it are insane! And for simulated CQB gunfights and general gunplay, Bonelab is incredible! They have everything in that game, and with mods, ANY gun, scenario, and landscape is able to be made. You can practice for active shooters using that game, or breach and clears into any structure or environment you could imagine! You can be an armed civilian in a 7-11 getting robbed, in this game, with mods!And a company is coming out with a platform and harness system that you can use as your literal controller, making YOU able to run, crouch, lay down, sprint, or whatever to control your character! They are already in production now for those!
Loved the video! ❤
One idea for a video: a video about how practical vr games are for learning how to fight. How different is fighting in the games and what are the differences that you should be aware of if you use it as an alternative to actual sparring
Xoxo
I can answer that: they're absolutely useless, for the time being.
My VR headset arrives tomorrow and I'm so excited I can't put it into words. I tried VR for the first time back in 1992 with that pterodactyl game and it blew my mind. I had no means to play any VR again until I tested out an HTC Vive at release in a Microsoft store and it was a life changing experience. I only got to play for a few minutes and I haven't been able to play any VR since then, but I haven't stopped thinking about how incredible it was this whole time. I'm so happy that I finally have the means to get my own VR headset.
This got deep. Big luv. Y'all real.
The conversation at the last is what I think too. im sad, scared, and i thought deeply about that.....
Man congrats on the page!! We played at UC together. It's Nate Berry. Glad to see you've used your craft and are doing well for yourself. Keep up the good work and content!!
So jealous you guys get to play VR in such an open space! You should try Blade and Sorcery next, it’s by far the most visceral medieval VR game.
That one made me a little too queasy tbh
@@SenseiSeth oh interesting, from the motion or the violence? If it’s the motion you can play survival mode and just get to a good spot and then stay in place and never move the joystick again. If it’s the violence, uh I guess turn off the blood 🤷🏻♂️ ?
This is just 4 boys having fun with video games. It’s awesome to see this sort of fun
I've often felt like an extra in a sitcom that was cancelled long ago but nobody told anyone that was in it.
Existential crisis hit Mike hardddd
What icymike may have encountered is a "superstimuli" which is like a 1000% version of something real, and that dopamine level sets an unfairly high new watermark/ benchmark for max fun. Idk anything tho
I love these guys.
damn feels like yall could've gone into a full podcast at the end there. i would listen to a whole hour of that.
Seeing how enthusiastically icy Mike took out the zombies in the Ultimate Self-Defense Championship I'm really not surprised by this. That's just standard icy Mike shit.
“I want stuff to splatter. I want three guys.” - Hard2Hurt
Great video, it was fun to see Mike go full Eddie Bravo at the end..
This is a really fun video to watch guys.
Hey man love the content keep it up
I would have LOVED seeing Mike play Sword and Sorcery, it's SO much more realistic than Gorn as much as Gorn is super fun lol
You videos are the best and I learn a lot of stuff
I love these colabs, mike should let that dog out in the USDC😂
I want to see Mike and Seth try "Sword and Sorcery" .. the fighting and weapons are better and more realistic with just as much brutality. Super fun video Seth and crew. It was also fun to see Jesse on this.
Best martial arts video ever!!!
Such a fun watch.
7:09 that music sync with the footsteps tho
Next time Play blade and Sorcery, its the best one for that!
I really like your together videos. They have a nice entertainment.
Love it!
I'd be really excited to watch them give Rumble VR a shot! It's like experiencing earthbending in virtual reality. You have to master certain movements to control the earth, and it takes some practice. Once you learn them, you can even string them together into awesome combos. It would be fascinating to see how martial arts experts adapt to the precise arm movements needed in the game.
This is gonna be sick
Love the oculus! Thrill of the fight and drunken bar fight are my go to’s.
Totally cool! Philosophy of Hume brought out, Kant would be laughing! Needs foot pads and dual-visuals for on off simulation.
It would be awesome to see them try it with full body tracking. Like in blade and sorcery for example. The access to kicks might make them unstoppable.
The virtual wooden dummy was hilarious and awesome.
Thrill of the fight can be so fu... exhausting, Reakt Performance Trainer, Les Mills BodyCombat and Thrill of the Fight are my 3 favorite games.
The boxing one now has passthrough mode, so you see the virtual enemy in your actual physical space. Cuts down on mouton sickness