Real Boxers Try VR Boxing
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- Опубликовано: 19 янв 2024
- What happens if you put Real Legit boxers in the Virtual Reality ring??
The game is called “Thrill of the Fight” and you can get your own Oculus Quest here!
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I'd like the developer to take these notes and use them to update their game. Mainly the physics behind the straight punches v the looping punches, if someone developed the right boxing sim I think it could be a seriously good tool to have
The developer has been working on a sequel and AFAIK doesn't plan on working on this version any further except for bug fixes and whatnot. I'm hoping the sequel is even better.
This game was made by 1 dude and they’re gonna make a sequel
My limited understanding of the platform tells me it's not practical at this point. The Oculus Quest is a fairly limited piece of equipment in terms of VR, but it's the standard in terms of mass adoption.
For a while, I had a (much older) Oculus Rift before 'upgrading' to a Quest 2. Playing this game, Thrill of the Fight, was much worse on the Quest 2 compared to the Rift because the Rift has more cameras and has better tracking on/view of the sides. On the Rift, I could block punches to the side of my head while on the quest they would always hit me if I brought my hands to the side of my head. As far as the Quest was concerned, my hands just stopped existing. 😅
My guess is the nature of how the controllers are tracked is just not very friendly to making the physics of punches more realistic, just based on experience and intuition. I'm not a developer so I could be wrong (and would love it if I was proven wrong), it just seems beyond the scope of what the current standard headsets are capable of.
I wouldn't be surprised if a more elaborate rig using something like Valve's setup could do a better job, but the majority of developers are going to make things for the platform that most users are on. It's "a waste" to develop for the more expensive, feature-rich headsets.
@@ZovcDraftskinda makes me wonder what some developer could do with Apple's new toy.
@@ZovcDrafts While you are correct that inside out tracking is more limited compared to lighthouse tracking, the Quest 2 can track things much better than the Quest 1 could, and the Quest 3 tracks even better. The Quest 3 also has different camera placement, allowing for better tracking pretty much everywhere except directly above the head, in addition to improvements in the controllers themselves. So, while I haven't tried the scenario you described on my Quest 3, I wouldn't be surprised if it were able to do it.
Also, Thrill of the Fight was developed for the Quest 1 and I don't think it really got any updates taking advantage of the newer Quest 2 stuff, let alone Quest 3. So the fault for the blocking on the sides not working could well be simply that it was developed for the most limited of the Quest devices, and if it were redone (like, say, a sequel were made), it would work better. And the punching favoring hooks and whatnot is more a matter of game design than limitations of the hardware.
As I mentioned in a top level comment, VFC (Virtual Fighting Championship) has better mechanics in some ways, and is a newer app that is still being worked on and improved upon. It does have more arcadey stuff like stamina and combos, but if you ignore that stuff, it's a solid fighting game just like Thrill of the Fight, only also multiplayer so you can fight other players. I mention it only because I feel it does a better job at the shortcomings you point out, yet is also on the "limited" platform of the Quest devices. :)
"That's a knockout, he sent you back to reality" Laughed so hard lol
I can attest that the cardio workout from this is unrivaled on Oculus. You also provide an INCREDIBLY funny spectacle for anyone around you if you fight like the average non-boxer. Despite its age, this is the best VR game I have played (would love an update).
seriously. i do mma and the vr games still make me sweat. setting the rounds to be verry long is great for fight intense cardio work
Does the headset slip with sweat?
Another decent yet fun cardio experience is playing blade and sorcery but pretending like you’re some john wick esc guy who is unarmed
they’re making a sequel with Halfbrick studios. Should be pretty crazy.
Nah, all VR not just Occulus. As an amy fighter this helpes alot especially distance management
As a swordsman I was hugely impressed with WI fencing as part of the WI oplymics package which is now obviously a very old game - atleast 20 years. Some one put way too much attention to detail in this - it not only uses real stances and form but know what stances and form you are using and adapts and counters.
Its amazing how detailed and realistic some games can be - and equally amazing how off the mark others are.
What game is this?
There’s a mobile fencing game by the FIE called FIE Swordplay that is just entertaining and enlightening to non-fencers like myself.
@@theflyingchicken0901 WI olympics, on the WI.
Try swordsman VR for Meta Quest 2 or Meta Quest 3 , every type of sword
@@bigolbearthejammydodger6527 I think you mean Wii lol
Can attest that TOTF is great cardio and most realistic boxing mechanics I’ve tried in any game. I’m not a boxer but years of martial arts experience. Couple of points I’ve noticed:
1. So far, it’s hard to play the inside game effectively (getting close and effective trowing hooks and uppercuts). As a grappler and striker, my tendency is to get close, and the game doesn’t seem tailored to that style.
2. To be successful, it seems better to wear the opponent down some, then instead of closing the distance, backing up and t-ing up combos from slightly further away.
3. The game by default is set to move comfortably, meaning that punching power is scaled each round, roughly adjusting max power to your max effort speed.
4. The dev is great and responsive on Reddit, awesome to get feedback from the ones that know best and are so helpful.
i mean.... getting in close lowers your power anyway you can't hit as hard when they are right next to you
Hard disagree there my friend, barring an outrageous run up. I not talking about literally in a clinch, I’m talking about a tight uppercut or hook. When it’s close, you can get your full body completely in grounded support. Granted, this may be a bigger factor in heavier weight classes. So if you are light and relying less on mass and linkage, vs speed, then … fair point, I somewhat talked myself out of the hard disagree ;)
@@TheDOS yeah but if they lean into it and smoother the punch you're effectively expending energy for something that might get shrugged off
I saw Canelo using it. He had trouble because he kept trying to do pull/counters, and the VR AI location just didn't read the pull and it kept showing him getting hit
was it him on the news? that might've been the creed game, i think
Yeah it was a different game, a shittier one
@carlosflores4179 it was boxing league I think
@@Yk_2000 you are 100% correct!
Knockout League, not Thrill of the Fight
I'm a boxer and game developer and I'm working on new realistic boxing game for PC that can run on pretty much every average PC. I hope people would be interested in that.
Not enough boxing games, do it
Sound great would be even better if it was also added to quest in the long run
First person camera, add it
sounds like a great idea to me. imho The feel of games and how smooth they run are much more important than seeing the opponents skin glistening with sweat
dude, you can not announce such a banger without giving us any more details! Give us you twotter account, github account, website, instagram or what ever ! Want to see at least some screenshots, the idea and difference , and so on ! So please tell us more about it !
I'm pretty sure you all realized it but the in game the only shots that count are to vulnerable areas, punching to break down their guard, weaken their arms, being able to pull down their guard won't work so that could be the reason why the boxers had a difficult time. You really can't feint in the game. I think if you mentioned to them to just pretend it's mitt training; hit when an area is open, see what opens up and hit again, and repeat, they would have excelled quicker. Also don't bother with upper cuts I could never get it working.
Those are the basic differences with video games. A lot of them will simplify offense and defense to an absurd degree. I don't know if any VR Boxing game is ever going to address this. I recall a Java Physics boxing game trying to although I don't play it much myself- it's a completely different beast from most any other boxing game I've played
What do you mean? I always hit them to lower or get their guard up
Those moves don't score you points, but its setting the environment for a better hit
You're supposed to work into getting points/knocking down your opponent
Hitting them below to hit them later in the head, will obviously give you points in the game and real damage in real life
Uppercuts do work, it's just not really sensible to throw them because the opponents stay upright the entire time.
If you land a really hard uppercut and knock them down with it you can actually trigger an animation where they come up off the floor! Cartoony but cool
you can faint in the game
You all had me cracking up, great content. I Actual just subbed started with your medieval armor one that looked rough but really cool too. Please keep having fun and posting the content.
I love playing this game as part of my martial arts training
This looks like so much fun! I'd love to try it, but I don't do well with electronics beyond your basic smartphone. Seth is clearly a VR Boxing AND Sumo prodigy! So glad I found this channel awhile back. Hours of entertainment enjoyed on my downtime.
It's super easy to get it going, easier than using a smartphone.
Quest 2 and Quest 3 are about the most user-friendly electronics devices on the market. VR inherently is incredibly user-friendly too. I've put my Quest 2 and 3 on people that have never used anything beyond a simple computer, and they immediately understand all the UI (user interface), because you just literally press the buttons or point a pointer at it, and then play the games. The mixed reality portion of it menas you do not have to take the HMD off to see the real world, it's a lot like what people thought AR technology would be like. I have VR sessions where I just don't take it off to do other things around the house, can watch videos with a floating screen, clean some dishes, eat, drink, talk and interact, pet my dog, lol. These systems are built to introduce people to this technology, it's incredibly seamless to reality for anyone to use.
Most important part is to make sure to set it up correctly, there is a "sweet spot" in the lens for the best clarity, like glasses, so you are going to move it around your face until you find that spot. Make sure to set your IPD (interpupillary distance) correctly, and of course make sure the headstrap and top strap is on tight but not too tight that it is uncomfortable.
Next tip is to stick with teleportation locomotion, and avoid artificial locomotion until you can get acclimated. Baby steps into that realm first, and make sure to leave VR as soon as you feel discomfort. A lot of the "magic" (presence) of VR is convincing your lizard brain and subconscious that VR is reality. If your lizard brain and subconscious start to think that VR makes you feel discomfort or nauseated, you will get that feeling even you think about VR, so to avoid that, just do short sessions of VR, work on staying longer and longer of the course of a few months, maybe 30min to an hour every few days, and then pump the number up slowly.
VR is an amazing tool, one of the greatest consumer innovations there is. By far, it is the best entertainment for the cost, and there is an insane amount of content. More so if you stream a gaming PC to it to play more graphically impressive and realistic games.
Quest 2 is only $200, btw, it's pretty crazy how low the cost is. Games are really cheap too, everything from $5-$35.
I would recommend the Quest 3 ($500), biggest difference in the Quest 3 has color mixed reality, while Quest 2 is black and white mixed reality. Both have great resolution and really bright colors, both are super light and comfortable too, especially if you get a 3rd party headstrap for them.
Another difference is that Quest 3 controllers do not have a big tracking ring, so they are a little less cumbersome.
The kit you see in the video is the Quest 2.
It's basically a smartphone on your head
Dude! the beginning showing you uppercutting on your knees was hilarious! LOL way cool video idea!
I have this game on VR and it is really good. Its great for a fun cardio burnout the only issue I have is lack of space. You need twice as much space as you think you would and that really llimits of what I can do in a VR setting.
OMG, send this video into the game devs man, this is priceless R&D! It is such a fun game to play, it would be really cool if they incorporated a tiny bit more of the subtle realism Lucas was kinda talking about in his technique VS Seths.
yup the sequal they are working on that's suppose to come out this year I hope they add pull counters , Body knockouts etc and a way to teach us how to box .
Your VR series is where its at! Oculus should give you a free set.
Even better on Quest 3. The sequel is coming soon too I think. Cant wait
Thank you for the video ! ☺♥
Bought a oculus 2 years ago to try vr. Fast forward to now and i only use it for thrill of the fight. Its such a fun and really good cardio to do. Cant wait to see what they are gonna do with the sequel.
I use it for cardio also its so much fun with sports in VR and I also use my Queszt 3 for Movies
0:17 need to know if he intentionally wore that to blend in with the black tires and white wall LOL
1) You should try VFC (Virtual Fighting Championship) as well, if you haven't. It's got stamina and combos like a fighting game, but I feel some of the mechanics outside of that are better than Thrill of the Fight.
2) Thrill of the Fight used to support bHaptics vests, which allow you to "feel" the punches by vibrating where you get hit. bHaptics updated things and the developer of the game didn't update his implementation, so it no longer works with the game, but perhaps in the upcoming sequel, he'll put the update bHaptics back in. Would add even more to the game.
Can’t recommend VFC enough, especially once the dev gets around to the less gamified mode
I use this game for some home cardio all the time! Although not a replacement for sparring, it can be quite fun and beneficial. I'm pleasantly surprised to learn that you're another VR user.
I was really hoping youd do another video on this game!
I was listening to Eye of the Tiger in the car and found out where they got the name Thrill of the Fight from. They're making a second one right now and you should totally get a sponsorship from them.
I know they said they the sequel will have multiplayer, but I have no clue how good that will work. But if they pull it off that would be amazing.
Another awesome video. So proud of my nephew Sensei Seth. I may have to get a VR for boxing just so I can get in some kind of shape
get the Quest 3, Beat saber , thrill of the fight and creed boxing is all you need I get a workout everytime .. worth every penny
I played the Creed VR and this was my exact experience. My fundamentals were a detriment.
This is how I warm up for my bag work at home!
U guys should play blades sorcery
Its the best boxing VR game that isn't even about boxing XD
Really great keep up the great work!☺️
The clip of you boxing on your knees 😂 goober
Love Thrill of the Fight. Best Boxing VR
You should try it on a Quest 3, the mixed reality mode makes it more realistic
Hi, ive found that those custom rubber strap / cover for the controllers affect tracking accuracy, the rubber part does cover some of the internal infra red trackers. You can cut a hole in the rubber at the correct position to fix it, but i just ended up using the controllers without the rubber straps for thrill of the fight
this was a grat evaluation. i thnk im good off the VR stuff. i cant take the risk of it messing my form. if i need an intense work out i'll just go for an uphill run.
best vr ad I’ve ever seen tbh
Sensei, i just got dat Quest 3, THRILL OF THE FIGHT Looks epic, i cant even explain..... Crispy clear sensei. Get ya one...
the edits between lucas's interview had me dying
In the game settings you can manually set separate power multipliers for straight and curved punches to make them feels more balanced. Thrill of the Fight is the only VR game that has this option, hooks and overheads being overpowered is an issue in every Boxing game that has damage calculations based on motion controller acceleration and speed
It would be awesome for you guy's to fight each other in an App Lab/Steam VR game called Era of Combat Boxing! It's an online PvP game but it is currently in early access
the flick at the end of the punch is valid though. Bruce Lee use to speak about this all the time. Obviously not on all punches, but straights that have a "snap" at the end of them allows you to keep speed and still inflict good damage
This explains why i struggle while playing, i try to imitate boxers too much using the jab to set up all my hooks rather than just swinging at any openings given
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I set the jabs to deal more damage and hooks to deal less. It helps a lot with not developing horrible overhand and looping hook habits.
I think you should get boxers/other people to verse eachother in Era Of Combat (VR Multiplayer Boxing Game) especially if there unlikely to face eachother in real life (different weight classes ect)
Got to get the haptic vest and feel those hits
I used VR boxing for about 3 years for cardio before signing up at a boxing gym these last 6 months. I have an amateur fight in two weeks. I know I can vouch for VR practice.
"I like the comradery" as he Punches the ref and the guy after the bell lol
we're far removed from it but with better physics to make more realistic inside work, realistic hand fighting, your whole arm to block with and not just a glove, being able to move their arms and jolt them with shots to the guard, this could be really, really dope
I was trying a friend's oculus and ended up upper cutting my fan bike. I bent the frame to the analog timer as well as ended busting my hand open. I loved it though.
I hear you've been invited to check us out doing buhurt at Carolina carnage this year @senseiseth? A lot of us hope you do. If so hope you enjoy it.
You should try BoxVR. It's like guitar hero with focus mitts. You can set it to music. The faster the music the faster the targets come. It's the best VR boxing workout. Plus there are obstacles so you have to slip, and change levels.
Ive said this before but seth, if you see this id love to see your take on the vr game Rumble and its fighting/ martial arts/ fitness application. Either way have a good one!
Lucas got that neighbors kid energy, burning leaves with a magnifying glass, loves to rassle, good for adventures in nature looking for newts an such
I love TOTF. I'll set it up for five 5 min rounds or eight 3s. Insane cardio
The big secret to this game is using wing chun vertical uppercuts. Total game changer
When you move your head out of the way you take less damage, that's why Lucas survived so many shots.
My straight punches aren't actually all straight because of this game, that's something I'm fixing after someone pointed out today. Great training though
Thrill of the Fight is amazing as a workout tool, and I love it for that. I'm a terrible boxer, both in real life and in the VR game though, but it's just enough time per round and always feels good as a workout... and honestly, the first week of playing it in VR, I wasn't even able to finish rounds. I was going super hard, way too hard because I was like, this dude isn't going to hurt me if I just whale on him. Outside of gaming on VR, this is easily my favorite.
It would be interesting to see though, if the Thrill of the Fight devs could work with real boxers to develop a pro mode where proper form for punching and blocking was developed. It's a VR game at the end of the day, it's supposed to be easy to get into for the vast majority of people, but it does indeed seem like a legit option for boxers to train with given a little tweaking.
If you use quest 3 you can box in AR so you can see everything around you.
Thank you Sensei!!! :)
They really need to add leg tracking to standalone games. Imagine playing a game like crazy dojo with all the limbs usable
you should showed more of the training dummy or bag to see how hard the game thinks they can hit
Dang, Lucas has super fast hands.
You could do more videos of virtual boxing
"whered he go?" HE RAN FROM YOU DUDE!
With the customization options I think what would help the realism is to buff your character's health a bit and nerf the enemy's health a tiny bit
Dude, you need to get Era of Combat: Vr Boxing. It's a little different than Thrill of the Fight, but essentially its multiplayer thrill of the fight.
this looks like fun
Thanks for that
He said “man , where’d he go?” 😂
Oh dude, it's the worst feeling when the CPU sticks one good shot and knocks you out. I got one in the 12th round last 60 seconds with the Champ after leading all the way. Learned a valuable lesson that day, don't blitz in the last round.
the difference is that you land cleaner shots right on the chin or right in the sweet spots in the game, with said looping punches
The reason I find Seth doing better was because he wasn’t throwing the fast volume and he was out boxing. Hits register better for me atleast when I throw less long combinations and when I through hard shots not fast flurry’s. Same with in fighting if I am too close I find my shots don’t register as well. Quest 3 is a lot smoother and a lot more shots land and register.
vr boxing is just a more advanced version of shadow boxing
as a boxer definitely is loopy, but you can still use straights very effectively. you need to use it as a counter though the game reads that
U gotta get the Quest 3! It’s a very noticeable upgrade.
There are levels to this 😂
I wanna see lucas play drunken bar fight see how good he is in that he’d probably be good
VR can give a great workout.
Creed boxing on vr all the hits are and movements are exactly like a boxing match
Hooks definitely do waaaay more damage in this game. Straight punches don’t do much damage but I still prefer to box behind the jab and straight right because I’m tall and lanky so it’s just natural
The VR gamer has his fights on custom easiest settings mode a knock out to the gloves not a hope not even in easy mode would that be possible. The pros are on hardest settings. I have this game 4 years and since I joined a boxing class my skill level has gone up 💯
Thrill of the fight improve my reaction time quite a bit. It showed when I was sparring with my cousin 😂 he sent you back to reality 😂
seth i watched your capoeria but you should chack out taido! specially since karate is involved
I wonder if you all would be interested in fighting each other in VR
Need to add 12oz or 14oz weights to the handset so it simulates the weight of real Boxing gloves
I love this one better than creed. Creed's characters have stamina so you can't really use what you have left in the tank lol. Wish they add multi-player in the future
well, I wonder what they would think about VR with a haptic suit, so they can feel the punches
I was at CES two weeks ago and there was a cool demo a small company had setup where you put on a boxing glove packed with sensors and IMU's and it can tell you how hard you are hitting and what kind of punch you threw. I was hitting with about 200lbs of force with an 80% punch. I thought it would be much better if the glove had IMU's which could be paired with a VR headset and a couple punching bags, as well as a ankle sensor to detect kick power (at least with roundhouses, don't know about front kicks). If such a device set existed, you could put on a VR headset, some gloves, go to a gym with a bunch of bags, and do a super intense bag workout which can create fight scenarios using the bags as opponents, and you could also record a play session and replay it to get a review -- how hard did you hit? did you use correct form? Was your head looking at the right thing? etc.
As a VR programmer, I think this would be really cool to make and I think it would end up being the best kickboxing app for VR in the world. Especially for MMA style gyms.
Being an ex fighter I found that when I fight the way I fight it’s tougher to win compared to just wild throwing punches but when I fight in my style I get more knockdowns it just takes longer
There a vr boxing game call knockout league you should try it
i do this thing where i back up and dip down until they pursue me, and then i hit them directly on the chin with an overhand. its a ko alot of the time. if you hit directly on chin it does alot of damage
This games feels totally different on quest 3 you should try it out. the tracking is better so it’s harder for sure.
“Tap tap right trigger left trigger” 😂
There is a Heavyweight Boxer who played Thrill of the Fight in vr. Some of the hits he threw, especially at the dummy didn't register and the timing of the sounds were off. You can hear the impact after he threw a left hook at the dummy in his video.
I think Thrill of the Fight is the first game I bought when I got my headset. I don't play it anymore, I'm nowhere near fit enough :P Now I just play simple boxing drills on steam lol
U should do a video of someone who uses the game alot to try spar for real see how they do
Hey big dude, that snapping your wrist technique could get your wrist snapped for real
Make them try creed boxing vr they will freakkkk out
try with the haptic suit
i played it today the game feel so nice he got me in sweat note: now its a lot harder too knockout the opponent.
“He sent you back to reality” 💀
Can you find offense kicks like cobra kai and the defense and punches
What?
I tried this for the first time recently but i played an AR variety where you could still see the room you were in. This VR variety looks like i would end up breaking a hand if i played it without a spotter.. 😂
There's a guardian sp how could u possibly get injured
@@moneymaster4812 I'm not sure i know what you mean by a guardian but there are plenty of yt videos of people running into walls and punching random stuff so it is clearly very possible.