*A little clarification about the "incremental upgrade" statement: I didn't mean that as a way of saying that the difference between G9 and G85 is small. The overall difference is very significant, but it is caused more by fixing issues of the G85 and further improving in areas where G85 was already very good, rather than by bringing new "revolutionary" futures.* Some of the accessories that I have used to shoot this video, will do review of those soon: Carbon Fiber Tripod:bit.ly/2Dk5pv3 Slider: bit.ly/weiheslider Ball head with Arca Swiss plate: bit.ly/2F3rVc7 ND Filters - bit.ly/2n0eCBd 323 Quick Release Plate: bit.ly/2qy2FHB LED light Panel: bit.ly/2DD3GDX
I have the G85, it's been good to me ;) I'd like to upgrade one day, but the footage looks amazing for what I do. It would probably take a full frame camera to get me to upgrade.
@@wellnesspathforme6236 It is now mid-2021 and I still went with a second-hand G81, for US$465. Mint condition, low shutter count, and with both the 12-60 kit lens AND the battery grip extension included. At this price, I simply could not pass on this deal. More than enough camera for my use case. Selling my G7 with a 14-42 kit lens in parallel. The upgrade cost me very little (about US$80). In fact, when factoring out the battery grip extension and the superior kit lens (12-60), the upgrade cost me nothing (more like I made money in the process).
Excellent video. It definitely has taken the edge off me wanting to run out and buy a G9, which looks like an amazing camera, but for my uses the G85 is 95% for about half the money. Thanks again.
Thank you for such pleasant and competent review. I’ve owned and sold the G80. I mostly shoot travel and street and the quality of the jpeg output was not up to competitors standard. I just purchased a gx9 which I use with 12-60 PanaLeica, Oly 9-18 and 45mm and PanaLeica 15mm. I’m happy with it. The output is better. Many thanks and I wish you a great day
A big drawback is how big the g9 is. Even the g85 is a tad big, but is the smallest option in the lineup with mic in and ibis. The g95 is just a disappointment really. If they could bring the g85 closer to g7 in weight and size but make it considerably more modern that would be terrific
One thing I like about the G85 is that it has the "Scene" mode great for taking quick shots to get effects that I do not know how to replicate without that mode mode, like hand held night shot, panorana, star burst lights etc. I can understand not keeping it on the dial but they could have left it as a menu option. Considering I think this will sell more to enthusiasts than pro's I would like to see this mode added in if possible, plus the menu description bar at he top of the screen for the menu items.
They actually want to primarily sell the G9 to Pro wilde-life and sports photographers, honestly I am with Panasonic on this one, scene mode really doesn't belong to camera marketed as a professional stills camera IMO.
You are always detailed that's commendable. We are inquisitive for price quoting for the new material in almost all the videos you make. Thanks for your efforts all the same.
Good comparison. If money was no issue, I would probably get The G9 (The G9 is about $500 more at this time). However, even though the G9 is better overall than the G85, it is also bulkier than the G85. I like the smaller size of the G85, especially as a travel camera.
Maybe a G9 Vs Sony A6500? I am looking for a hybrid camera with slow video option + good photo capabilities and I had narrow it to these two. I like the G9 as reminds me of DSLRs that I used to own (love the top LCD) and I love the Sony for the size. It all comes to the final size also since I consider G9+12-35mm lens Vs A6500+16-35mm.
if you need slow video option ( i understand you mean slow motion) then G9 all the way, it does crisp 1080p 180fps slow motion, while sony does rather blurry unsharp 1080p 120fps, honestly it looks more like 720p..
I think the exact opposite, 180p on G9 and GH5 looks pretty bad, you can't use AF or record sound in 180p and it is not even proper 180p, just 24/25p with VFR. Sony A6500 is much better for slow motion IMO and the image quality is very good, you just need to sharpen it in post or at least in camera.
Not gonna argue there, but i disagree i find GH5 / G9 sharper and slower, never the less @krebsu take a look at some test around youtube of both and maybe that will clear up your mind, on witch one you want.
An under appreciated aspect of the g85 is its size. I haven’t had a chance to hold a G9 but I hope it’s not like the GH5 which feels like a brick to me.
I bought the G9 based on your recommendation. The video was very helpful in making a decision between the two models. What lens would you recommend? The camera will be primarily used for video by my daughter who is hoping to get into film school next year and doesn’t have a huge budget. If a lower cost lens means upgrading in a few years, I may be convinced to contribute to the purchase. Any suggestions would be highly appreciated
If you ever get your hand on a Metabones i would love to see all kinds of comparison from you. Like low light, crop, DOF, Sharpness..etc mainly with the sigma lenses.
fantastic comparison- would love to see a more thorough test video of the g9 autofocus in video, especially vlogging with the shallowest depth of field- thank you
I got a G80 with kit lens 12-60 for 599€ in Black Friday. How about this one? 😁 I was going to spend 1700€ in a GH5 but couldn’t resist such a bargain. I will still get a GH5 to step up my professional needs.
Great comparison 😉 I was thinking of upgrading to the G9 next year so it was useful to see a side by side. Impressive to see the size difference... Like a full frame vs an Apsc camera... 😅
Great video! I'll probably go for the G85 as a b-cam because it has unlimited recording. If only the G9 had unlimited recording I would gladly put the money down for a 10 bit 4k60 camera, but sadly it's not
thanks alot for this video dude. Was waiting for your opinion already :) My main point is the image quality in stills. And as there is not a really big difference I will stick with my G85 for the next time. Just love that it is much smaller. The controls are perfect for me (I have pretty small hands) and the video features doesn't matter so much as the features from G85 are enough for me at this point. So I guess I have the money left to spend on a great new lens :) thanks again man. Always appreciate your point of view.
You're welcome, unless you print very large pictures or need every bit of dynamic range for landscapes, the G85 has enough image quality for majority of uses, it is still a very capable camera.
One the changes that I don't like about the cameras that Panasonic has introduced since the G85 is the change in the front control dial. On the G85, the ring around the shutter button is a perfect position for the front control dial and it takes up no space. On the G85, the on/off lever also takes up no room and the camera can still be used one handed very easily. These changes may seem trivial, but for me are major, especially since the reason for changing is the inclusion of an LCD screen that was added for why?? Just to copy Canon and Nikon I guess, it is not really needed with the excellent viewfinders and rear screens that constantly display much more information. NONE of the reviewers on the Internet really dive into the details of usability, control, and control objects and positions. Every time a new camera comes out, the manufacturers change something, a button, placement, type of rotating dial, something. Why? You would think by now that this form factor (DSLR-like) would have been perfected by now. The real reason for the changes is some perceived marketing advantage, that just doesn't exist except in the minds of the manufacturer's marketing staffs in my opinions.
Well, I have showed and described every control element of the G9 in the full review: bit.ly/panasonicg9 the reason why I didn't comment on the placement of the front dial for example, is that I it would be purely my opinion and have no preference regrading the placement of the front dial at all, both are fine by me. The buttons are also customization so if you don't like the position of some function, just set it to another button. You evidently don't need me or other reviewer to tell whether you personally like the placement of the controls or not.
Not at all, I just prefer describing things and providing information rather than evaluating, I leave that to the viewers, so that they can do so according to their specific needs and preferences.
Thanks for the great informative video. I had a DMC G7 and although it was slow on auto focus it was a great camera. At least for me. I lost it in paradise fire and looking to replace it after 3 years. I would think it would be a step up. Your video convinced me the G85 is the camera for me
I have been using G85 for sometime. I enjoy your reviews. I have the 8-18mm; 35-100mm and 100-300mm. I want to upgrade from my G85. I am deciding between G9 and A7III. In Canada the G9 is selling for EUR 932 and Sony A7III for EUR 1732. I am getting tempted by the low light capability of A7III but I usually take more landscape pictures.. Subscribed
nicely done. i appreciate your effort and the sharing. thank you. my question: the g9 video is 8bit. is it also 8bit to an external recorder? thumbs up.
Yes it can only output 8-bit, but I wouldn't be to concerned about that, 10-bit on GH5 is quite disappointing, I actually like to work with 8-bit and Cinelike D more than with 10-bit and V-Log.
Well done comparison. I'm an enthusiast photographer & use the Fz2500 bridge camera - which , because of it's versatility as an all in one supper zoom, I highly enjoy. I'm lately thinking about the M - 4/3 sensor for its better image qualities. ( The Fz 2500 sensor is one in. ) There is a feature that is in the 2500 - & in the G95 - that I like. It's in the Scene Mode & is called ' Hand Held Night Shot '. It combines 5 exposures using a higher ISO & shutter speed which results in a very sharp image. I'm pretty sure the G9 doesn't have this feature. The other set up that I have on my Fz2500, that I'd like to also have on a new camera is; on top - next to my shutter - is a function button which I've changed to be my focus button. I find this location for the focus to be ergonomically better than using the ' Back Button ' to focus. Can one of the to 3 top buttons on the G95 be reassigned to another purpose - like for focusing ? I've enjoyed your balanced & detailed videos. Thanks
With the G9, you can can take 3+ second handheld shots due to the IBIS and OIS, and it has larger sensor, so you will probably get better results anyways. It is unfortunately not possible to reassign those 3 buttons.
@@TheHybridShooter I suppose I could assign the upper inside Fn button - next to the lens - as the focus. The G9 has a very sensitive shutter button & having the focus separate is beneficial in this, as well as other aspects. As to the ' Handheld Night Shot ' could you do me a favor ? Would you take one of your cameras - say a G85 or G95 - go into the Scene Mode & select H N S, compose & take a shot. Then with the same composition, use your G9 - as you suggest - and take the same shot. Then please compare the 2 & see which is better. I'll bet the Handheld Night Shot might be sharper. Thanks
Truly appreciate your review. What lens do you recommend for a beginner? I will be conducting a lot of interviews both in studio and outside studio. Do you recommend the G9 to start with over the G85. I will pay the extra if you give it the thumbs up. Thanks again.
If the budget allows it, I recommend the G9, it is wort the difference IMO. Leica 12-60 is great all-round lens, 15mm, 20mm, 25mm and 42.5mm are all great budget lenses.
Thanks tou so much for this video, I have been watching all your micro 4/3rd content and even tho you switched to sony,, can you remember if the g9 had auto iso in video manual mode?
Yes, I would the difference will be significant there, since the GH4 has no IBIS and is still has 16 mpix sensor with AA filter, it will be worthy upgrade and you will still be able to use lenses that you have.
Hey mate, great video! quick question though, would you say the weather sealing on the g80 is as good as on de g9? if not would you still trust it and shoot in rain and snow?
Hi, great video! What do you mean "+100 shadow recovery"? I mean, is there a setting for it in the camera or you did it in post process in lightroom or whatever..?
great video. how do you feel now that the g9 has had a big price reduction. the g9 in the uk is now about 300 euros less than the gh5. why do you think that is?
Hello, I have tested the lumix g9 10-bit 100mbps mov file vs 8-bit 28mbps mp4 file and bring both to colorgrading. I can see that the files are identical. There is no difference in term of highlight restoration, adding saturation, pushing colors etc etc. i was using the natural color profile with contrast on -2. How is het possible that both are identical the same. Have you tested this and what are your thoughts? thanks
I have both. A few differences not mentioned that make the g9 better are things like no crop 4k and the joystick. Also the g9 can be set to autofocus af-c when not recording making it the better webcam. With that said both are still excellent including the g85. I've taken amazing images with both and lowlight performance is much better than people want to admit. The g85 is an incredible camera even today. Very capable sensor with amazing ibis, weather sealing, and can use a battery grip.
I mentioned both crop and joystick. G85 can use AF without recording as well. Low light performance is what it is. Good or better are relative terms, so it depends on expectations. FF and even APS-C cameras are much better in this regard though.
@@TheHybridShooter Sorry I must have missed those points. Are you sure the G85 can autofocus in video mode in C-AF when not recording? I know the G85 can use AF when not recording to set the AF point, however to my understanding it can not do continuous autofocus in video mode unless it's recording. I can't seem to find that feature in my G85, only in the G9 which makes it very good for use as a webcam for stuff like Zoom. If you can confirm, please let me know where I can find that in the menu so I can change it. I'd like to be able to do the same with the G85 as I can with the G9. Thanks!
I ended up pulling the trigger on olympus om-d e-m1 mark ii. I found focus was more accurate. G9 is very fast but not as accurate. I wouldn't say major difference with the 2 but i prefer the focus on olympus. For pure photography i feel olympus still has the edge. If you need photo and video then g9. I must say Panasonic are getting there. Giving olympus a good run for the money
It's a little later now from the time you posted this video and my question is : would you today upgrade from G80 to A) straight to G9 B) G90 for its small size and weight similar to G80? I'm mainly into still photography, video only as hobby - family trips and holidays, no pro shooting but I shoot in 4k. I have hard time deciding between the two, G90 I'm mainly considering for the size, which although isn't my number one priority, does matter. Thank you. And hello from fellow Slovak photo enthusiast 👋
I would probably stay with G80 for that kind of use and maybe get some new lens instated. G90 is a downgrade from G80 in some ways, especially the 4K crop. If you want significantly better output, you would probably have to go with different system. Aj ja pozdravujem!
@@TheHybridShooter yes the 4k crop sucks on G90. But it's the same sensor as G9 and it's got the live composite feature (which I'd probably use once in a year haha). I'll stick to my G80 for now, I use oly 12-40 pro on it 90% of time and to be fair, I'm quite happy with the results. Ďakujem
are you going to make any sort of updated versions of these videos? i was expecting to see something about the most recent updates that unlocked 10bit ect...
For handling wise, the G85 like the G7 is a bit small in my hands. The GH5 and G9 are so much a better fit. Also with larger lens I will like the GH5 and the G9 better for me that is. Of course your mileage will vary. I think the G85 and G7 are superb cameras. Just be smart about your light and focus, I mostly manual focus any way so breathing in the background of focus was not a big deal. I am also considering full frame too, but the Sony just does not have the great Panasonic interface or body ergonomics. It is like all the great stuff had no body to go into and Sony had to do something. The GH5 and G9 and G7 and G85 welcome the creator to indulge in the project, not necessarily so much on the fiddly bits of the camera. I love this allot. Canon would be next than Nikon, but Panasonic makes number one the experience. Something Sony still misses on. The Sony A7 mk3 to me is my true wish camera, but I find myself touching the screen, nothing happens, also it will not fully articulate. Panasonic and Canon own this. I love the Dual Pixel AF. But where is the 4K UHD? Panasonic and Sony are the heavies here. I want my video to be great, but I want to get the right camera for my mission.
Thank you for the best review of the 2 cameras I have seen on YT but a question: Do you have any sense on whether the G95 provides a similar incremental upgrade over the G85? Recently i bought a G95 despite the several hundred dollar increase over G85 because I plan to keep the camera a long time & wanted current technology.
@@TheHybridShooter wow I recently purchased a G95 & just to be sure: In US, G95 with kit lens cost $300 more than G85 while price difference for G9 is $900. And if I follow you're stating in your opinion G95, is not worth $300 premium over the G85? Thanks,
Hi Shooter. Nice review. Can you maybe say how to use unlimited video recording with the G85? Ik would like to continually shoot video without pressing the recording button every 30 minutes...
We love our g85 except for 1 thing. When shooting a video we will hit the record button, the camera will beeped, so you think you are recording. Nope the camera has false beeps. It has cost us many videos. Does the g90 do this as well? Is it just us?
The shots u use for hdr. Are they alle made from a tripod?. I own a g85, nut Cant get that crisp pictures. I only tried bracket from shots out of the hand. Like your video's. Ciao
The Hybrid Shooter Thanks. Hmm...such a shame, i still think I'll be getting a G80 but just not looking forward to bad autofocus in video. I've been shooting with a 70d for a few years so looking forward to a big image improvement but have also loved the Canon autofocus. I'm scared!
The AF in much better if you shoot in 1080p, so you can do that in challenging situation. If you want improved image quality with canon-like AF Sony is the only option.
The Hybrid Shooter I know. But the Sonys have so many other issues and I do a lot of self shooting and need a fully articulating screen. I don't have a big budget at the mo so I think G80 is still the best bet.
@@beatdelinquency560 it's good. You just have to know the limitations of the camera. But I did notice right away that the G9's images were better. Still, for the price of a G7, you get stellar 4K video too. No image stabilization though.
@@fredriksvard2603 considering this video is like 3 years old, you are a little late. And I guess you have already used the G9 and have personal experience with it.
@@fredriksvard2603 and photos too.... I would bet no one can say which camera brand took which photos. Here is a video with a 12MP camera vs a 102MP camera. I would guess you will have an extremely hard time picking which was which. ruclips.net/video/E8Sej2TEes4/видео.html
My G85 seems to only do autofocus while recording. I use an atomos external HDMI recorder, so my G85 does not work for that. Does the G9 do autofocus while not recording so that we can record on external HDMI recorder ?
Would you recommend getting the battery grip with the G9? I have very large hands and I find that my G7 feels tiny and difficult to get a proper grip on it. I was going to upgrade to the G85 because it has an optional battery grip. But, I held off because the upgrade from the G7 to the G85 wasn't significant enough for me to jump on it. The G9 seems quite a bit beefier than the G7 and G85 and it could finally be a perfect fit for my hands without a battery grip. It seems like the size and weight is a happy medium between a full frame DLSR and mirrorless.
I should get a Battery grip soon, will also make a review of that. The grip is significantly larger on G9 which is good IMO, the G9 is about the size of Canon 80D but without some necessary bulk cause by the mirror, I personally like the ergonomics of the G9 a lot.
How would you quantify the AF performance in video of the G9 after the 2.0 firmware update vs the AF of the G85 ? how about the G9 vs the a7iii? Can you do autoiso in video for the G9 just like in the GH5? Being able to use a fixed ND+autoiso vs variable ND and less hunting in videos are the two things I'm looking for in an upgrade. It's now the end of 2019, i.e. almost 2 years since the G9 went on sale. Is it a bad time to upgrade now? The body is going for USD1000 and USD1600 with the leica 12-60. Is that a good price for a two year old camera with these specs?
Upgrade from gx80 to g81, g91 or g9? To my Background: my father wants a small camera. Therefore, I suggested to sell my gx80 to my dad and upgrade to a better camera. So, I don't say, that the gx80 limits me a lot and I really like tgis camera. Why g81: its the cheapest and it has weather sealing (which is a big issue for me). The question is wether a upgrade makes sense. Why g91: it has the 20MP sensor, but its not as expensive as the g9. But on the other hand, the price difference is not as big as I thought. Why g9: Its top notch in MFT and therefore a big upgrade. And it has 4k60, high resolution mode, and some more features that I like. I publish my photos mostly Online, but sometimes I like to print my best results on maximum DIN A3 size.
Fantastic comparison. I want to buy a camera or camcorder to shooting downtowns in USA/Canada. I need a very good/professional equipment since it make part of my business. Basically I need good night vision, good stabilization, good battery life and good in fast motion recording. What option do you recommend A6500 or G85? Thanks.
Thank you, if you need to shoot a lot in low light, the best would be GH5S amzn.to/2Ccnz46 with gimbal like this one: amzn.to/2BIhP11 or Sony A6500 amzn.to/2kIEWzp with bright Sigma lenses like this one: amzn.to/2zjwXgr
Thank for the quick response, I think A6500 option will be discarded since the sony A6500 has overheating problem and I'm planning to shot from the top of the car. What is your opinion? Thanks.
I have never even seen overheating indicator on my A6500 and I have used it in temperatures over 35° Celsius or 100° Fahrenheit. Overheating is only problem with A6300. If you have direct sunlight shining on the camera for a long time, every high-performance camera will overheat.
I’m not worried about video, coming from a Nikon D300 and 300 F4 I am struggling with the option of G80/85 vs G9. I shoot family, motorsport (touring car and motogp) and macro. G80 will be around 1/3 price of the G9. Is the G9 worth the extra. I had a G7 and there was a lot I liked. I did miss the top screen although not sure that’s worth the extra £1000
This video was actually supposed to answer that, it depends on whether you personally can utilize the extra performance / futures. If you intend to shoot Motorsport, you will probably benefit from G9's autofocus.
Indeed and the comparison was greatly appreciated. It’s still a tough decision. Maybe my best bet will be to hire the G9 for a weekend for motorsport and see how it stands up against the images that I previously captured with the D300
Hello, did the G9 produce also this anoying sound from the stabilisation like the G85. Its like a humming when i pull the trigger and focus. I have switched form the G70 to the G85 and it bothers me a lot
I tried it in store but had major focus issues under led lighting. It was struggling to focus big time. Tried other cameras with no problems. Strange thing was i tried it in another part of the store were there was tube lights and it was fine. Im waiting for a response from panasonic. Will decide between Panasonic g9 and olympus om-d e-m5 mark ii once someone gets back to me from panasonic. Cant take the risk in weddings if led lighting effects it.
You could see in the viewfinder it was missing focus. The focus square showed green like it had but was blurry. Had to press button maybe 6 times then it moved and came in focus. Guys in store also tried with different lenses and had same issues. But under tube light at back of store no problem.
I know what you mean, it doesn't affect the focusing, the images will be in focus, it only affects what you see in the viewfinder, they also talked about that in TCS TV review, although I haven't experienced this issue at all on European version, hopefully it will be fixed in with firmware update.
Panasonic rep is going into the same store i had the issue tomorrow to run tests. Will be interesting to see what they say. Otherwise ill have to consider the olympus om-d e-m1 mark ii. They have dropped the price now to match g9 and also have a big firmware update coming at the end of this month. Things are getting interesting.
I am a beginner and will shoot RUclips content almost FHD that’s why i am thinking to get M50 . Can you advise if 85g ,6100 or x-t200 will be a better choice? Your advise ist highly appreciated
how well does the G9 handle moire? The G85 was absolutely horrible. We are tempted to move back over from Olympus with this one but are concerned about the moire after we had a horrible "incident" with the G85
There are problems with moire while shooting 4K, it is downscaled full sensor readout, so there are no compression artifacts. I personally don't shoot in 1080p so I haven't tested that.
The Hybrid Shooter how about in photos? Still present? We don't deliver any 4K content as we always downscale the 4k to 1080, will it still be present? Thank you for the information
I don't think that I have ever had a problem with moire in still with G9 or G85. Issues with moire can sometimes be cause by rendering software of compression, so that may cause problems as well.
Hi. Thank you for useful information. I think noise level on G85 is too high. I checked a lot of pictures on flickr and discovered that even at ISO 200 many pictures have a noticeable noise in darker (and often even in bright) areas. Not sure why it happens, but it is visible and I definitely don't like it. May be it's related to small sensor size, but I noticed that Olympus cameras with the same sensor size handle noise much better.
Just to correct something you said at 8:05-that you cannot press the shutter button to start video recording on the G80/85. That is not true, you can-I do it all the time on mine, and on the older G6 that I had you could do it too.
I personally never use shutter priority, I want to have the aperture uder control all the time, to prevent diffraction, I don't mind not using 180 degree shutter angle.
@@TheHybridShooter So does 5 and a half stop mean I can set my shutter speed to atleast 5 seconds and still have a stable shot? Sorry I'm just curious haha
Do you know the math for it? What's the base shutter speed for it before you apply the 5 stops? Is it 1/125th? Really appreciate the answers sir, I just want to be aware how far my handheld shots will be stabled on a low Shutterspeed from my G85, Thank you.
Does it have better IBIS than GH5? I'm not a vlogger, i think perfect camera for me would be GH5s + gimbal, but for vloggers G9 seems to be best options out of these 4, ofcourse if money is not a problem, otherwise i think g85 still on the top price/performance wise
Hi i heard from a Panasonic rep that video iso is much worse on g9 vs g85. Would you agree with this? For photo he said its better but for some reason he thinks they have done something so its only usable upto 800 iso and video engine it better on g85. What's your thoughts? Thanks for your time.
No, that is definitely not true, it is exactly the opposite, G9 is much better at higher ISO in video. It is caused by the crop in 4K video on G85, G9 can use whole sensor to capture the light and it also compresses the noise when down-scaling the footage from 5.2K to 4K, so it is much better at high ISO in video. In stills there is less difference, but G9 is still significantly better. That sales rep should frankly be fired or at lest sent on some educational training.
Thanks for clearing that up. Didn't make sense to me. How can it be cleaner iso on photo and much worse on video. To be honest most sales people dont have the correct information. But funny how someone from Panasonic doesn't know either. Lucky we have people like yourself for info 👍🏻. Panasonic should be paying you.
I am interested in the shutter lag in AFC. The G80 can be VERY laggy at some distances which results in missed shots. I tend to always use single AF which is much more reliable. I was hoping the G9 would be better but so far no one has mentioned it...
If you use release priority you have to wait for focus confirmation, so that is not really a shutter lag and this mode is not very suitable for fast shooting. The back button focusing is the best for fast shooting, it lets you control the AF and shutter separately and use the AF-C all the time.
*A little clarification about the "incremental upgrade" statement: I didn't mean that as a way of saying that the difference between G9 and G85 is small. The overall difference is very significant, but it is caused more by fixing issues of the G85 and further improving in areas where G85 was already very good, rather than by bringing new "revolutionary" futures.*
Some of the accessories that I have used to shoot this video, will do review of those soon:
Carbon Fiber Tripod:bit.ly/2Dk5pv3
Slider: bit.ly/weiheslider
Ball head with Arca Swiss plate: bit.ly/2F3rVc7
ND Filters - bit.ly/2n0eCBd
323 Quick Release Plate: bit.ly/2qy2FHB
LED light Panel: bit.ly/2DD3GDX
Great video! I agree that the G9 is an incremental upgrade but some of the increments are huge.
Thank you, yes, especially if you add up all of those upgrades, it makes a big difference in the overall usability.
I have the G85, it's been good to me ;) I'd like to upgrade one day, but the footage looks amazing for what I do. It would probably take a full frame camera to get me to upgrade.
In the real world shooting, usability upgrade may sometimes be much more significant than upgrading to full frame. G85 is still a very capable camera.
Agreed ;) I'm waiting for a full frame camera as usable as the Panasonic ones.
Same. Plus I'm fully invested in all the lenses. The G9 looks nice (if a bit bulky) but I LOVE my G85 and won't be parting with it.
@@Error-hc7mp What did you do? How did it work out?
@@wellnesspathforme6236 It is now mid-2021 and I still went with a second-hand G81, for US$465. Mint condition, low shutter count, and with both the 12-60 kit lens AND the battery grip extension included. At this price, I simply could not pass on this deal. More than enough camera for my use case. Selling my G7 with a 14-42 kit lens in parallel. The upgrade cost me very little (about US$80). In fact, when factoring out the battery grip extension and the superior kit lens (12-60), the upgrade cost me nothing (more like I made money in the process).
Excellent video. It definitely has taken the edge off me wanting to run out and buy a G9, which looks like an amazing camera, but for my uses the G85 is 95% for about half the money. Thanks again.
Thank you, it is an amazing camera IMO, but the G85 is still very capable.
your videos are always the best, straight to the point, well done, thank you!!
Thank you, I appreciate your feedback!
Thank you for such pleasant and competent review. I’ve owned and sold the G80. I mostly shoot travel and street and the quality of the jpeg output was not up to competitors standard. I just purchased a gx9 which I use with 12-60 PanaLeica, Oly 9-18 and 45mm and PanaLeica 15mm. I’m happy with it. The output is better. Many thanks and I wish you a great day
A big drawback is how big the g9 is. Even the g85 is a tad big, but is the smallest option in the lineup with mic in and ibis. The g95 is just a disappointment really. If they could bring the g85 closer to g7 in weight and size but make it considerably more modern that would be terrific
The G85 can use the shutter button to start recording a movie, as long as you are in a movie mode. You can also half press the shutter to focus.
I set the camera for back button focus, instead of the shutter half press to focus setting.
definitely the best channel for comparison,solid review,good job
Thank you, I appreciate your feedback!
One thing I like about the G85 is that it has the "Scene" mode great for taking quick shots to get effects that I do not know how to replicate without that mode mode, like hand held night shot, panorana, star burst lights etc. I can understand not keeping it on the dial but they could have left it as a menu option.
Considering I think this will sell more to enthusiasts than pro's I would like to see this mode added in if possible, plus the menu description bar at he top of the screen for the menu items.
They actually want to primarily sell the G9 to Pro wilde-life and sports photographers, honestly I am with Panasonic on this one, scene mode really doesn't belong to camera marketed as a professional stills camera IMO.
You are always detailed that's commendable. We are inquisitive for price quoting for the new material in almost all the videos you make. Thanks for your efforts all the same.
Great breakdown man!
Thank you!
Great video... I'm ordering my G9 today!
Thank you, hope that you will like your G9.
Good comparison. If money was no issue, I would probably get The G9 (The G9 is about $500 more at this time). However, even though the G9 is better overall than the G85, it is also bulkier than the G85. I like the smaller size of the G85, especially as a travel camera.
G95 might be a choice in that case.
Maybe a G9 Vs Sony A6500? I am looking for a hybrid camera with slow video option + good photo capabilities and I had narrow it to these two. I like the G9 as reminds me of DSLRs that I used to own (love the top LCD) and I love the Sony for the size. It all comes to the final size also since I consider G9+12-35mm lens Vs A6500+16-35mm.
Will make a comparison of those two soon.
if you need slow video option ( i understand you mean slow motion) then G9 all the way, it does crisp 1080p 180fps slow motion, while sony does rather blurry unsharp 1080p 120fps, honestly it looks more like 720p..
I think the exact opposite, 180p on G9 and GH5 looks pretty bad, you can't use AF or record sound in 180p and it is not even proper 180p, just 24/25p with VFR. Sony A6500 is much better for slow motion IMO and the image quality is very good, you just need to sharpen it in post or at least in camera.
Not gonna argue there, but i disagree i find GH5 / G9 sharper and slower, never the less @krebsu take a look at some test around youtube of both and maybe that will clear up your mind, on witch one you want.
G9 and GH5 have the best 1080p quality up to 60p, I have tested that, but in VFR / High speed the video quality drops significantly.
An under appreciated aspect of the g85 is its size. I haven’t had a chance to hold a G9 but I hope it’s not like the GH5 which feels like a brick to me.
I don't think that the size of the G85 is unappreciated. The size of G9 is similar to the GH5, but the handling is better.
Great comparison! Well-shot, nice light. What a beautiful table and chair set!
Thank you, I appreciate that you have noticed my table :)
Thanks for the awesome comparison! This totally helps my decision-making 😃
You're welcome, I'm glad that it was helpful.
I bought the G9 based on your recommendation. The video was very helpful in making a decision between the two models. What lens would you recommend? The camera will be primarily used for video by my daughter who is hoping to get into film school next year and doesn’t have a huge budget. If a lower cost lens means upgrading in a few years, I may be convinced to contribute to the purchase.
Any suggestions would be highly appreciated
id love to see a g9 vs gh5
Thank you very much for the comparison. Appreciate it a lot
You're welcome, thank you for watching!
If you ever get your hand on a Metabones i would love to see all kinds of comparison from you. Like low light, crop, DOF, Sharpness..etc mainly with the sigma lenses.
I will certainly make those if I ever decide to get one.
fantastic comparison- would love to see a more thorough test video of the g9 autofocus in video, especially vlogging with the shallowest depth of field- thank you
Thanks, will do that soon.
thank you
I got a G80 with kit lens 12-60 for 599€ in Black Friday. How about this one? 😁 I was going to spend 1700€ in a GH5 but couldn’t resist such a bargain. I will still get a GH5 to step up my professional needs.
Excellent job on reviewing both cameras. Thanks.
its huge upgrade, i had g7 for long time and once i moved to g9 it was crazy
Great comparison 😉
I was thinking of upgrading to the G9 next year so it was useful to see a side by side. Impressive to see the size difference... Like a full frame vs an Apsc camera... 😅
Thank you, I'm glad that it was useful to you.
Most people have multiple cameras. I don't expect the G85 to be a low light beast. Images look tact sharp in sunlight or as the sun begins to go down.
With the firmware update, It's hard for me not to upgrade to the g9 at some point soon!
Great video! I'll probably go for the G85 as a b-cam because it has unlimited recording. If only the G9 had unlimited recording I would gladly put the money down for a 10 bit 4k60 camera, but sadly it's not
the sales people were very misleading out the micro usb charging... but I've bought one now and it's still a great cam bar the battery life
I'm not sure what you mean by that, USB charging is or lack of it is no secret.
thanks alot for this video dude. Was waiting for your opinion already :) My main point is the image quality in stills. And as there is not a really big difference I will stick with my G85 for the next time. Just love that it is much smaller. The controls are perfect for me (I have pretty small hands) and the video features doesn't matter so much as the features from G85 are enough for me at this point. So I guess I have the money left to spend on a great new lens :) thanks again man. Always appreciate your point of view.
You're welcome, unless you print very large pictures or need every bit of dynamic range for landscapes, the G85 has enough image quality for majority of uses, it is still a very capable camera.
My reasoning exactly. This video was just what I‘d been looking for. I will stick with my G85 for now.
One the changes that I don't like about the cameras that Panasonic has introduced since the G85 is the change in the front control dial. On the G85, the ring around the shutter button is a perfect position for the front control dial and it takes up no space. On the G85, the on/off lever also takes up no room and the camera can still be used one handed very easily. These changes may seem trivial, but for me are major, especially since the reason for changing is the inclusion of an LCD screen that was added for why?? Just to copy Canon and Nikon I guess, it is not really needed with the excellent viewfinders and rear screens that constantly display much more information. NONE of the reviewers on the Internet really dive into the details of usability, control, and control objects and positions. Every time a new camera comes out, the manufacturers change something, a button, placement, type of rotating dial, something. Why? You would think by now that this form factor (DSLR-like) would have been perfected by now. The real reason for the changes is some perceived marketing advantage, that just doesn't exist except in the minds of the manufacturer's marketing staffs in my opinions.
Well, I have showed and described every control element of the G9 in the full review: bit.ly/panasonicg9 the reason why I didn't comment on the placement of the front dial for example, is that I it would be purely my opinion and have no preference regrading the placement of the front dial at all, both are fine by me. The buttons are also customization so if you don't like the position of some function, just set it to another button.
You evidently don't need me or other reviewer to tell whether you personally like the placement of the controls or not.
My apologies if I have in any way offended you. I enjoy your reviews and appreciate your opinions. Keep them coming please. Regards
Not at all, I just prefer describing things and providing information rather than evaluating, I leave that to the viewers, so that they can do so according to their specific needs and preferences.
Thanks for the great informative video. I had a DMC G7 and although it was slow on auto focus it was a great camera. At least for me. I lost it in paradise fire and looking to replace it after 3 years. I would think it would be a step up. Your video convinced me the G85 is the camera for me
I have been using G85 for sometime. I enjoy your reviews. I have the 8-18mm; 35-100mm and 100-300mm. I want to upgrade from my G85. I am deciding between G9 and A7III.
In Canada the G9 is selling for EUR 932 and Sony A7III for EUR 1732. I am getting tempted by the low light capability of A7III but I usually take more landscape pictures.. Subscribed
Thank you, I appreciate your subscription! I have made a comparison of A7 III and G9, that might help you decide. bit.ly/A7IIIvsG9
The price for A7II with kit 28-70 has come down to EUR 935. Looks even more tempting for someone like me with tight budget. Will probably get it.
nicely done. i appreciate your effort and the sharing. thank you. my question: the g9 video is 8bit. is it also 8bit to an external recorder? thumbs up.
Yes it can only output 8-bit, but I wouldn't be to concerned about that, 10-bit on GH5 is quite disappointing, I actually like to work with 8-bit and Cinelike D more than with 10-bit and V-Log.
Well done comparison. I'm an enthusiast photographer & use the Fz2500 bridge camera - which , because of it's versatility as an all in one supper zoom, I highly enjoy. I'm lately thinking about the M - 4/3 sensor for its better image qualities. ( The Fz 2500 sensor is one in. ) There is a feature that is in the 2500 - & in the G95 - that I like. It's in the Scene Mode & is called ' Hand Held Night Shot '. It combines 5 exposures using a higher ISO & shutter speed which results in a very sharp image. I'm pretty sure the G9 doesn't have this feature. The other set up that I have on my Fz2500, that I'd like to also have on a new camera is; on top - next to my shutter - is a function button which I've changed to be my focus button. I find this location for the focus to be ergonomically better than using the ' Back Button ' to focus. Can one of the to 3 top buttons on the G95 be reassigned to another purpose - like for focusing ? I've enjoyed your balanced & detailed videos. Thanks
With the G9, you can can take 3+ second handheld shots due to the IBIS and OIS, and it has larger sensor, so you will probably get better results anyways. It is unfortunately not possible to reassign those 3 buttons.
@@TheHybridShooter I suppose I could assign the upper inside Fn button - next to the lens - as the focus. The G9 has a very sensitive shutter button & having the focus separate is beneficial in this, as well as other aspects. As to the ' Handheld Night Shot ' could you do me a favor ? Would you take one of your cameras - say a G85 or G95 - go into the Scene Mode & select H N S, compose & take a shot. Then with the same composition, use your G9 - as you suggest - and take the same shot. Then please compare the 2 & see which is better. I'll bet the Handheld Night Shot might be sharper. Thanks
Segundo jajaja Buena comparación, yo uso la G85 y de momento estoy muy agusto con ella sobre todo en vídeo.
Omar Cubias que ta el autofocus? Te da muchos problemas. Se solucionó algo con la nueva actualización?
Truly appreciate your review. What lens do you recommend for a beginner? I will be conducting a lot of interviews both in studio and outside studio. Do you recommend the G9 to start with over the G85. I will pay the extra if you give it the thumbs up. Thanks again.
If the budget allows it, I recommend the G9, it is wort the difference IMO. Leica 12-60 is great all-round lens, 15mm, 20mm, 25mm and 42.5mm are all great budget lenses.
Top notch, as always. Thank you.
You're welcome, thank you for watching!
Thanks tou so much for this video, I have been watching all your micro 4/3rd content and even tho you switched to sony,, can you remember if the g9 had auto iso in video manual mode?
You're welcome, I was using Sony long before M43, so I didn't really switch, just stopped using M43. Yes, G9 has auto iso in manual mode.
Hi, great video !
Would you consider upgrading from a GH4 with mainly photography in mind ?
Thx.
Yes, I would the difference will be significant there, since the GH4 has no IBIS and is still has 16 mpix sensor with AA filter, it will be worthy upgrade and you will still be able to use lenses that you have.
Hey mate, great video! quick question though, would you say the weather sealing on the g80 is as good as on de g9? if not would you still trust it and shoot in rain and snow?
I've used my G80 in heavy rain many times and never had a problem.
Very good review.
What is the city that we see in the video?
Thank you, mostly Bratislava.
How to make best out of the g85 autofocus? Incredible value for the g85 this days.
Bratislava! :)
Thanks for the video!
Do you find the G9 noticably heavier in hand than G85?
You're welcome, it is not that much heavier, but it is significantly bulkier.
This makes me feel soooo much better about getting the G9 over the G85 and especially after firmware 2.0, thank you man, love your videos
Another excellent review. I love my G85 and it is more than enough for my needs.
Thank you!
I own both cameras, the G9 ia a huge upgrade!
Hi, in what way? Is image quality/dynamic range noticable better?
I have G85, like it for few reason love 100-300 ii on camera. I use my XT2 for high resolution, no IBIS but use tripod for high level shoots
Hi, great video!
What do you mean "+100 shadow recovery"? I mean, is there a setting for it in the camera or you did it in post process in lightroom or whatever..?
Thank you, that means rising shadows in Adobe Lightroom by +100.
great video. how do you feel now that the g9 has had a big price reduction. the g9 in the uk is now about 300 euros less than the gh5. why do you think that is?
Thank you, probably because Panasonic is not the best at marketing and they can't sell enough G9s otherwise.
Hello,
I have tested the lumix g9 10-bit 100mbps mov file vs 8-bit 28mbps mp4 file and bring both to colorgrading. I can see that the files are identical. There is no difference in term of highlight restoration, adding saturation, pushing colors etc etc. i was using the natural color profile with contrast on -2. How is het possible that both are identical the same. Have you tested this and what are your thoughts? thanks
I sold the G9 long before 10-bit update, so I don't know.
Nice comparison, thanks for the good job ! Keep on :)
Thank you!
Strangely I'd like the cameras video improvements than the photos improvements :)
Yeah, they have improved or fixed some critical video shooting issues from the G85.
I have both. A few differences not mentioned that make the g9 better are things like no crop 4k and the joystick.
Also the g9 can be set to autofocus af-c when not recording making it the better webcam.
With that said both are still excellent including the g85.
I've taken amazing images with both and lowlight performance is much better than people want to admit.
The g85 is an incredible camera even today. Very capable sensor with amazing ibis, weather sealing, and can use a battery grip.
I mentioned both crop and joystick. G85 can use AF without recording as well. Low light performance is what it is. Good or better are relative terms, so it depends on expectations. FF and even APS-C cameras are much better in this regard though.
@@TheHybridShooter Sorry I must have missed those points. Are you sure the G85 can autofocus in video mode in C-AF when not recording? I know the G85 can use AF when not recording to set the AF point, however to my understanding it can not do continuous autofocus in video mode unless it's recording. I can't seem to find that feature in my G85, only in the G9 which makes it very good for use as a webcam for stuff like Zoom. If you can confirm, please let me know where I can find that in the menu so I can change it. I'd like to be able to do the same with the G85 as I can with the G9. Thanks!
Great job, thanks a lot! 👌
You're welcome, thank you for watching!
I ended up pulling the trigger on olympus om-d e-m1 mark ii. I found focus was more accurate. G9 is very fast but not as accurate. I wouldn't say major difference with the 2 but i prefer the focus on olympus. For pure photography i feel olympus still has the edge. If you need photo and video then g9. I must say Panasonic are getting there. Giving olympus a good run for the money
Thanks. That’s interesting to hear. I have had a g7 but not considered the em1 mkii
Great review as always.
+Vikingdescendent Thank you!
It's a little later now from the time you posted this video and my question is : would you today upgrade from G80 to A) straight to G9 B) G90 for its small size and weight similar to G80? I'm mainly into still photography, video only as hobby - family trips and holidays, no pro shooting but I shoot in 4k. I have hard time deciding between the two, G90 I'm mainly considering for the size, which although isn't my number one priority, does matter. Thank you. And hello from fellow Slovak photo enthusiast 👋
I would probably stay with G80 for that kind of use and maybe get some new lens instated. G90 is a downgrade from G80 in some ways, especially the 4K crop. If you want significantly better output, you would probably have to go with different system.
Aj ja pozdravujem!
@@TheHybridShooter yes the 4k crop sucks on G90. But it's the same sensor as G9 and it's got the live composite feature (which I'd probably use once in a year haha). I'll stick to my G80 for now, I use oly 12-40 pro on it 90% of time and to be fair, I'm quite happy with the results. Ďakujem
are you going to make any sort of updated versions of these videos? i was expecting to see something about the most recent updates that unlocked 10bit ect...
No, I dont have either of these cameras anymore.
Now it’s very clear with new update coming....
For handling wise, the G85 like the G7 is a bit small in my hands. The GH5 and G9 are so much a better fit. Also with larger lens I will like the GH5 and the G9 better for me that is. Of course your mileage will vary. I think the G85 and G7 are superb cameras. Just be smart about your light and focus, I mostly manual focus any way so breathing in the background of focus was not a big deal. I am also considering full frame too, but the Sony just does not have the great Panasonic interface or body ergonomics. It is like all the great stuff had no body to go into and Sony had to do something. The GH5 and G9 and G7 and G85 welcome the creator to indulge in the project, not necessarily so much on the fiddly bits of the camera. I love this allot. Canon would be next than Nikon, but Panasonic makes number one the experience. Something Sony still misses on. The Sony A7 mk3 to me is my true wish camera, but I find myself touching the screen, nothing happens, also it will not fully articulate. Panasonic and Canon own this. I love the Dual Pixel AF. But where is the 4K UHD? Panasonic and Sony are the heavies here. I want my video to be great, but I want to get the right camera for my mission.
great reviews - thanks
You're welcome!
Thanks, a good comparision.
You're welcome, thank you for watching!
Nice video! May I ask what sd card do you use to shoot 4K 60p?
Thank you, I currently use Sandisk Extreme Pro 64 and 128BG cards.
class 1 or 2?
It is UHS-I U3 V30.
Thank you for the best review of the 2 cameras I have seen on YT but a question: Do you have any sense on whether the G95 provides a similar incremental upgrade over the G85? Recently i bought a G95 despite the several hundred dollar increase over G85 because I plan to keep the camera a long time & wanted current technology.
Not really, I definitely recommend G9 instead of G95.
@@TheHybridShooter wow I recently purchased a G95 & just to be sure: In US, G95 with kit lens cost $300 more than G85 while price difference for G9 is $900. And if I follow you're stating in your opinion G95, is not worth $300 premium over the G85? Thanks,
@@rickkoloian4179 No, in my opinion it is not worth the extra over G85. G85 is actually better 4K cameral
@@TheHybridShooter my primary interest is stills & while I would have liked G9 high res mode, cost becomes issue at some point. Thanks for response,
Thanks excellent though comparison.
You're welcome, thank you for watching!
Hi Shooter. Nice review. Can you maybe say how to use unlimited video recording with the G85? Ik would like to continually shoot video without pressing the recording button every 30 minutes...
G85 should be able to record continually, only the G80 is limited to 30 min. unfortunately, I don't know how to fix that.
We love our g85 except for 1 thing. When shooting a video we will hit the record button, the camera will beeped, so you think you are recording. Nope the camera has false beeps. It has cost us many videos. Does the g90 do this as well? Is it just us?
To be honest, I don't know, turning all beeps off is one of the first things that I do on every camera.
The shots u use for hdr. Are they alle made from a tripod?. I own a g85, nut Cant get that crisp pictures. I only tried bracket from shots out of the hand. Like your video's. Ciao
+Robert-Jan Zondag If you mean high resolution mode, that only works with tripod. If you mean exposure bracketing, I mostly shoot those hand-held.
Great video. Subbed. Do you think the G85 could match the auto focus of G9 with a firmware update?
Thank you, I appreciate your subscription. No, I don't think so, G9 has much more processing power and faster sensor readout.
The Hybrid Shooter Thanks. Hmm...such a shame, i still think I'll be getting a G80 but just not looking forward to bad autofocus in video. I've been shooting with a 70d for a few years so looking forward to a big image improvement but have also loved the Canon autofocus. I'm scared!
The AF in much better if you shoot in 1080p, so you can do that in challenging situation. If you want improved image quality with canon-like AF Sony is the only option.
The Hybrid Shooter I know. But the Sonys have so many other issues and I do a lot of self shooting and need a fully articulating screen. I don't have a big budget at the mo so I think G80 is still the best bet.
That is true, unfortunately, there is no perfect camera on the marked right now.
If I record externally, what is the cheapest Panasonic that will give me 10 bit video?
Brilliant video review! Thank you! The G9 is a big stretch for me. I do have a G7 and FZ300, but do a lot of still photo shooting.
You're welcome, thank you for watching!
How’s the g7 for photos?
@@beatdelinquency560 it's good. You just have to know the limitations of the camera. But I did notice right away that the G9's images were better.
Still, for the price of a G7, you get stellar 4K video too. No image stabilization though.
@@fredriksvard2603 considering this video is like 3 years old, you are a little late. And I guess you have already used the G9 and have personal experience with it.
@@fredriksvard2603 and photos too.... I would bet no one can say which camera brand took which photos. Here is a video with a 12MP camera vs a 102MP camera. I would guess you will have an extremely hard time picking which was which. ruclips.net/video/E8Sej2TEes4/видео.html
My G85 seems to only do autofocus while recording. I use an atomos external HDMI recorder, so my G85 does not work for that. Does the G9 do autofocus while not recording so that we can record on external HDMI recorder ?
Would you recommend getting the battery grip with the G9? I have very large hands and I find that my G7 feels tiny and difficult to get a proper grip on it. I was going to upgrade to the G85 because it has an optional battery grip. But, I held off because the upgrade from the G7 to the G85 wasn't significant enough for me to jump on it. The G9 seems quite a bit beefier than the G7 and G85 and it could finally be a perfect fit for my hands without a battery grip. It seems like the size and weight is a happy medium between a full frame DLSR and mirrorless.
I should get a Battery grip soon, will also make a review of that. The grip is significantly larger on G9 which is good IMO, the G9 is about the size of Canon 80D but without some necessary bulk cause by the mirror, I personally like the ergonomics of the G9 a lot.
Excellent review
Thank you!
How would you quantify the AF performance in video of the G9 after the 2.0 firmware update vs the AF of the G85 ? how about the G9 vs the a7iii? Can you do autoiso in video for the G9 just like in the GH5? Being able to use a fixed ND+autoiso vs variable ND and less hunting in videos are the two things I'm looking for in an upgrade. It's now the end of 2019, i.e. almost 2 years since the G9 went on sale. Is it a bad time to upgrade now? The body is going for USD1000 and USD1600 with the leica 12-60. Is that a good price for a two year old camera with these specs?
I don’t have g9 anymore, so I haven’t tested FW 2.0. You can use auto ISO. 2 years not that old, it is still worth buying.
I read the 41 mp mode delivers the best photos
Upgrade from gx80 to g81, g91 or g9?
To my Background: my father wants a small camera. Therefore, I suggested to sell my gx80 to my dad and upgrade to a better camera. So, I don't say, that the gx80 limits me a lot and I really like tgis camera.
Why g81: its the cheapest and it has weather sealing (which is a big issue for me). The question is wether a upgrade makes sense.
Why g91: it has the 20MP sensor, but its not as expensive as the g9. But on the other hand, the price difference is not as big as I thought.
Why g9: Its top notch in MFT and therefore a big upgrade. And it has 4k60, high resolution mode, and some more features that I like.
I publish my photos mostly Online, but sometimes I like to print my best results on maximum DIN A3 size.
Definitely G9.
Fantastic comparison. I want to buy a camera or camcorder to shooting downtowns in USA/Canada. I need a very good/professional equipment since it make part of my business. Basically I need good night vision, good stabilization, good battery life and good in fast motion recording. What option do you recommend A6500 or G85? Thanks.
Thank you, if you need to shoot a lot in low light, the best would be GH5S amzn.to/2Ccnz46 with gimbal like this one: amzn.to/2BIhP11 or Sony A6500 amzn.to/2kIEWzp with bright Sigma lenses like this one: amzn.to/2zjwXgr
Thank for the quick response, I think A6500 option will be discarded since the sony A6500 has overheating problem and I'm planning to shot from the top of the car. What is your opinion? Thanks.
I have never even seen overheating indicator on my A6500 and I have used it in temperatures over 35° Celsius or 100° Fahrenheit. Overheating is only problem with A6300. If you have direct sunlight shining on the camera for a long time, every high-performance camera will overheat.
I’m not worried about video, coming from a Nikon D300 and 300 F4 I am struggling with the option of G80/85 vs G9. I shoot family, motorsport (touring car and motogp) and macro. G80 will be around 1/3 price of the G9. Is the G9 worth the extra. I had a G7 and there was a lot I liked. I did miss the top screen although not sure that’s worth the extra £1000
This video was actually supposed to answer that, it depends on whether you personally can utilize the extra performance / futures. If you intend to shoot Motorsport, you will probably benefit from G9's autofocus.
Indeed and the comparison was greatly appreciated. It’s still a tough decision. Maybe my best bet will be to hire the G9 for a weekend for motorsport and see how it stands up against the images that I previously captured with the D300
Hello, did the G9 produce also this anoying sound from the stabilisation like the G85. Its like a humming when i pull the trigger and focus. I have switched form the G70 to the G85 and it bothers me a lot
I don't remember to be honest, I am sorry.
I tried it in store but had major focus issues under led lighting. It was struggling to focus big time. Tried other cameras with no problems. Strange thing was i tried it in another part of the store were there was tube lights and it was fine. Im waiting for a response from panasonic. Will decide between Panasonic g9 and olympus om-d e-m5 mark ii once someone gets back to me from panasonic. Cant take the risk in weddings if led lighting effects it.
+Photo Video Guru Did you take actual photos that were out of focus, or were you just looking through the viewfinder?
You could see in the viewfinder it was missing focus. The focus square showed green like it had but was blurry. Had to press button maybe 6 times then it moved and came in focus. Guys in store also tried with different lenses and had same issues. But under tube light at back of store no problem.
I know what you mean, it doesn't affect the focusing, the images will be in focus, it only affects what you see in the viewfinder, they also talked about that in TCS TV review, although I haven't experienced this issue at all on European version, hopefully it will be fixed in with firmware update.
Panasonic rep is going into the same store i had the issue tomorrow to run tests. Will be interesting to see what they say. Otherwise ill have to consider the olympus om-d e-m1 mark ii. They have dropped the price now to match g9 and also have a big firmware update coming at the end of this month. Things are getting interesting.
Super test, dakujem ti pekne :)
Nie je za čo, ja ďakujem za sledovanie!
Spúšťam inač aj slovenskú verziu kanálu: bit.ly/TheHybridTech
Thanks!
You're welcome!
I am a beginner and will shoot RUclips content almost FHD that’s why i am thinking to get M50 . Can you advise if 85g ,6100 or x-t200 will be a better choice?
Your advise ist highly appreciated
A6100 is the best choice at the moment.
how well does the G9 handle moire? The G85 was absolutely horrible. We are tempted to move back over from Olympus with this one but are concerned about the moire after we had a horrible "incident" with the G85
There are problems with moire while shooting 4K, it is downscaled full sensor readout, so there are no compression artifacts. I personally don't shoot in 1080p so I haven't tested that.
The Hybrid Shooter how about in photos? Still present? We don't deliver any 4K content as we always downscale the 4k to 1080, will it still be present? Thank you for the information
I don't think that I have ever had a problem with moire in still with G9 or G85. Issues with moire can sometimes be cause by rendering software of compression, so that may cause problems as well.
Hi. Thank you for useful information. I think noise level on G85 is too high. I checked a lot of pictures on flickr and discovered that even at ISO 200 many pictures have a noticeable noise in darker (and often even in bright) areas. Not sure why it happens, but it is visible and I definitely don't like it. May be it's related to small sensor size, but I noticed that Olympus cameras with the same sensor size handle noise much better.
2:23 it's a headphone jack?
Yes
Just to correct something you said at 8:05-that you cannot press the shutter button to start video recording on the G80/85. That is not true, you can-I do it all the time on mine, and on the older G6 that I had you could do it too.
Yes, you are right, that because I wrote both comparisons with A6500 (where it is not possible) and G85 at the same time, thanks for letting me know.
you can also shoot auto ISO on G85 just not in movie mode, go to manual picture mode and use record button, I just tested it :)
I know I do that all the time, but then I can't use cinelikeD since that is only available in manual movie mode.
CinelikeD is only available in manual movie mode, it is "greyed"in every other mode on my G80, on G9 it is available in every mode.
I personally never use shutter priority, I want to have the aperture uder control all the time, to prevent diffraction, I don't mind not using 180 degree shutter angle.
The G80 is limited to only 2mins in bulb mode while the G9 has a 30mins limit
Do you think its worth the price difference
Yes, I do.
@@TheHybridShooter ok thanks for the reply
Well done!
Thank you!
Hello! I currently have a new G85, what do you mean about the 5 1/2 stops on it's IBIS? Does it affect my shutter speed on how low I get? Thank you.
It is an efficiency rating of the IBIS. Yes, it makes is possible to take longer exposures.
@@TheHybridShooter So does 5 and a half stop mean I can set my shutter speed to atleast 5 seconds and still have a stable shot? Sorry I'm just curious haha
No, it mean that you can use 5 stops slower shutter speed.
Do you know the math for it? What's the base shutter speed for it before you apply the 5 stops? Is it 1/125th? Really appreciate the answers sir, I just want to be aware how far my handheld shots will be stabled on a low Shutterspeed from my G85, Thank you.
It is not exact and it depends on focal length, so you need to try.
Here the price for G9 is the same as GH5, which seems to be better for video, but i tihnk i'll keep G85 till GH6 or something :D
Depends on what kind of videos are you shooting, G9 may actually be better for less advanced shooting due to the better AF and IBIS.
Does it have better IBIS than GH5? I'm not a vlogger, i think perfect camera for me would be GH5s + gimbal, but for vloggers G9 seems to be best options out of these 4, ofcourse if money is not a problem, otherwise i think g85 still on the top price/performance wise
It has one stop better IBIS than GH5.
Hi i heard from a Panasonic rep that video iso is much worse on g9 vs g85. Would you agree with this? For photo he said its better but for some reason he thinks they have done something so its only usable upto 800 iso and video engine it better on g85. What's your thoughts? Thanks for your time.
No, that is definitely not true, it is exactly the opposite, G9 is much better at higher ISO in video. It is caused by the crop in 4K video on G85, G9 can use whole sensor to capture the light and it also compresses the noise when down-scaling the footage from 5.2K to 4K, so it is much better at high ISO in video. In stills there is less difference, but G9 is still significantly better.
That sales rep should frankly be fired or at lest sent on some educational training.
Thanks for clearing that up. Didn't make sense to me. How can it be cleaner iso on photo and much worse on video. To be honest most sales people dont have the correct information. But funny how someone from Panasonic doesn't know either. Lucky we have people like yourself for info 👍🏻. Panasonic should be paying you.
You're welcome, I would be more than happy if I was at least getting review units from Panasonic.
For outdoor action sports like mountain biking/cycling, is the G9 significantly better in terms of AFC and tracking than the G85?
I have yet to properly test that, but so far it seem like for moving subjects G9 AF is significantly better.
I am interested in the shutter lag in AFC. The G80 can be VERY laggy at some distances which results in missed shots. I tend to always use single AF which is much more reliable. I was hoping the G9 would be better but so far no one has mentioned it...
Do you have the shutter priority set to release? I haven't noticed any shutter lag on G9 but I have never found that to be a problem on G80 either.
I've tried both.
Focus priority - miss the shot
Release priority - get an out of focus shot
Not ALL the time but most...
If you use release priority you have to wait for focus confirmation, so that is not really a shutter lag and this mode is not very suitable for fast shooting. The back button focusing is the best for fast shooting, it lets you control the AF and shutter separately and use the AF-C all the time.
Can you use the same lenses on either camera?
Yes, you can.
@@TheHybridShooter Why do they push the more expensive lenses?
@@TheGregWallace Probably because of product and marketing strategy.