I feel bad for Captain Ma'ah and his crew dying. There was a good bit of character development that showed he was an honorable Klingon, by killing his former captain to stop him from betraying the Klingon-Federation Alliance, and in this episode where he would not destroy an (apparent) disabled ship and only wanted to attack after threatened.
Or abducted. I imagine they don’t want to reveal too much to keep the mystery going. Who is destroying all those ships… what is happening to the crews… why is it doing this? We will only know the answers later, but i have a feeling that it will tag a number of other ships before we get some answers.
@@mrtencza Boimler no, Mariner yes. I can see her being best buds with a Klingon. Boimler is too insecure to take a step like that. Of course, she might end up in sickbay, if the relationship went farther than that.
I am glad that Ma'ah has the pet targ by his side, given how the targ betrayed it's previous master and saved Ma'ah's life, helping him become captain. It's good that Ma'ah respects that Targ.
I love that the Klingon captain didn't order to attack since the other vessel wasn't powered up, that it wouldn't be honourable. Much more than the cold blooded killers they were in older days
"Honor" aside, a spear would make for a fantastic melee weapon in the narrow corridors of a Klingon ship, where swinging a bat'leth would prove tedious.
Unlike the constant scheming and backstabbing that went on with personnel of Romulan vessels, Klingons had the good sense to relieve their captains of their duty upfront if they were seen as having acted dishonorably.
After the most recent episode, I'm leaving a theory here: all the lower deck crews of these various ships have actually been working together to get their ships hijacked so that they can finally get that "big break" that each and every one of them has been talking about in every one of these scenes. Waiting to see how this pans out
There have been items floating after the ships are attacked, but no bodies. That spear and that barrel meant those two Klingons arguing might have died, though. I'm in two minds; I hope that ship is sampling rather than causing a many-sided war...
you know, with all systems losing power, and that thing has similar markings to the ball on the whale probe, makes me thing those 2 things may be related
Something interesting I didn’t pick up on my first watch of this scene The Klingon lower decker says Ma’ah got there by luck but eh became second in command by impressing the captain with his knowledge and then became captain by having the courage and honor to challenge the captain and then win using his skill and intelligence it’s a funny way to see how how these two are are treating their former friend’s rise
I really hope Ma'ah and his crew are still alive, like the beam transports you inside the ship as it destroys your vessel cause its some kind of menagerie collection device or kidnapper or something... I can hope
Shields and spears would be excellent melee weapons in the tight corridors of a star ship. And whats this talk of honor less distance fighting, you use disruptor pistols!
I wonder if the Klingons complained that the “Starkiller” Lt. Commander John Sheridan fought “dishonorably” by faking that distress signal to lure their flagship into a trap in that asteroid belt with those tactical nuclear bombs. Oh, wait a minute…
I wonder if Klingon public schools teach their schoolchildren that, “If someone is bullying you, you should just walk away. / It’s takes more of a man to walk away.” ???
I like that Klingons don't fire upon disabled ships. There's no honor in killing something that can't fight back. Even though it turns out it was playing dead like a coward.
It's a fantastic detail about the Klingons that sorely gets missed sometimes, particularly in DS9 I feel. There's a very early TNG episode where a child runs up to a trio of Klingon saboteurs, things get very tense for a moment, then the lead Klingon sends the child back unharmed and says 'There is no honour in taking hostages'. In DS9's case, I'm specifically thinking of 'Nor The Battle To The Strong', where the Klingons are depicted raiding a triage hospital. That just never sat right with me.
@@Jokie155One could argue that hospitals house combatants (even if injured). Taking hostages is cowardly, and firing upon defenseless vessels and individuals is cowardly but hospitals have soldiers who are recovering. They may be injured but they're soldiers and warriors; they should have been prepared to fight even if injured. Thats probably how they view it. If one is capable of fighting, they are valid, if not they are not. We humans usually decry that injured are defenseless.
@@remtorres7511 Its confirmed in a post credit scene. Paramount took a page from Marvel. After the end credits are finished, We see badgey stanning at a viewport with one hand on a handle.
I suspect as much. He was left in the wreckage of a Pakled Clumpship, which had open connections to technology of over 30 different species, which would indicate if Badgey was controlling that small ship, it would help him hack and disable the ships he comes across
I'm convince whatever this new threat is (Badgy?) is NOT killing whoever is encountering them! It just feels like a waste to killed off this Klingon character!
Collecting theory: I recall a TNG episode about the origins of humanoid life in the Star Trek universe, and that all have links. Perhaps that's what's happening?
What really happened is revealed in the two-part season finale. But if you want spoiler… The lower decks sabotaged the ship by shutting off power so they could mutiny against the captain. Their ship wasn't destroyed, it was stolen.
I feel bad for Captain Ma'ah and his crew dying. There was a good bit of character development that showed he was an honorable Klingon, by killing his former captain to stop him from betraying the Klingon-Federation Alliance, and in this episode where he would not destroy an (apparent) disabled ship and only wanted to attack after threatened.
Ikr. I also wanted him and Boimler to become bros, like Riker and Klag!
@@mrtenczaagree so mosh Wasted potential.
I hope the theory that they where only absorbed and not killed is true
Or abducted. I imagine they don’t want to reveal too much to keep the mystery going. Who is destroying all those ships… what is happening to the crews… why is it doing this? We will only know the answers later, but i have a feeling that it will tag a number of other ships before we get some answers.
@@mrtencza
Boimler no, Mariner yes. I can see her being best buds with a Klingon. Boimler is too insecure to take a step like that. Of course, she might end up in sickbay, if the relationship went farther than that.
I am glad that Ma'ah has the pet targ by his side, given how the targ betrayed it's previous master and saved Ma'ah's life, helping him become captain. It's good that Ma'ah respects that Targ.
Wait a minute, the Targ is a commonly owned pet in Klingon society, yet it is also common to eat its heart? There’s no stigma in that?
I love that the Klingon captain didn't order to attack since the other vessel wasn't powered up, that it wouldn't be honourable. Much more than the cold blooded killers they were in older days
Yes, he is what Klingons pretend to be. Actually honourable warriors. He doesn’t want any fight, he wants a fight where the enemy can fight back.
@Gothic7876 Hey don't blame the Klingons blame bad writing and bad actors for this
"He won't be captain for much longer."
You're not wrong.
Turns out he knew
@@buttonsfan Indeed.
Yep
"Honor" aside, a spear would make for a fantastic melee weapon in the narrow corridors of a Klingon ship, where swinging a bat'leth would prove tedious.
A smart Klingon right there.
A spear of just the right length for the space available is absolutely the best weapon for the job. It has a minimum range, but then so does a shiv.
theres no honour in a one sided fight and we all know klingons love a good fight
Aw man, not the former Bek now Captain! I liked that guy!
Yes
Unlike the constant scheming and backstabbing that went on with personnel of Romulan vessels, Klingons had the good sense to relieve their captains of their duty upfront if they were seen as having acted dishonorably.
Except these guys as we'll later learn.
God this show is beautifully animated
0:31 I like how they just growl at each other for a bit and then suddenly relax.
They are both under orders from the captain, so they remain allies until one of them rises in rank.
man, even klingon SPACE is red.
After the most recent episode, I'm leaving a theory here: all the lower deck crews of these various ships have actually been working together to get their ships hijacked so that they can finally get that "big break" that each and every one of them has been talking about in every one of these scenes. Waiting to see how this pans out
After 4x09, you might really be on to something.
Called it.
wow
@@Igarappappa It was immensely gratifying
Aged like fine blood wine.
There have been items floating after the ships are attacked, but no bodies. That spear and that barrel meant those two Klingons arguing might have died, though.
I'm in two minds; I hope that ship is sampling rather than causing a many-sided war...
you know, with all systems losing power, and that thing has similar markings to the ball on the whale probe, makes me thing those 2 things may be related
Well it's the fourth season and apparently the Whale Probe is in the opening credits battling the Borg with the others from previous seasons...
1:45
It’s V’Ger’s child! Noooooo! 😂 👍
My guess is that its a Section 31 ship, and the pilot is Thomas Bomiler.
Thats my guess.
Something interesting I didn’t pick up on my first watch of this scene
The Klingon lower decker says Ma’ah got there by luck but eh became second in command by impressing the captain with his knowledge and then became captain by having the courage and honor to challenge the captain and then win using his skill and intelligence it’s a funny way to see how how these two are are treating their former friend’s rise
They've got the betrayal part down, but not the talent part.
The female survives to the end of the season, but the male does not.
I really hope Ma'ah and his crew are still alive, like the beam transports you inside the ship as it destroys your vessel cause its some kind of menagerie collection device or kidnapper or something... I can hope
F***ING CALLED IT!
Cold blooded murder
“You would unleash the full fury of this mighty warship on a group of lowly anthropoids? Where’s the honor in that?”
I'm guessing Section 31 runaway project or a new player.
Thomas Boimler??
Shields and spears would be excellent melee weapons in the tight corridors of a star ship.
And whats this talk of honor less distance fighting, you use disruptor pistols!
I guess it's a matter of fairness.
Klingons gotta Klingon, man.
@@Brasswatchman they could learn a few things from romans and spartans
@@antcow1239 They could -- if they weren't mostly a bunch of posturing tryhards. 😆
I wonder if the Klingons complained that the “Starkiller” Lt. Commander John Sheridan fought “dishonorably” by faking that distress signal to lure their flagship into a trap in that asteroid belt with those tactical nuclear bombs.
Oh, wait a minute…
I wonder if Klingon public schools teach their schoolchildren that, “If someone is bullying you, you should just walk away. / It’s takes more of a man to walk away.” ???
The food alone would enough to convince me to serve on a Klingon ship
I just wondered what would happen if the Klingons met the Space Orks from War Hammer 40k?
One hell of a war I guess but my opinion the Orks would win it in time through numbers and brute strength
WAAAAAAAAAAAGGGHH!!
It be 'un 'ell of a Scrap
I want to party with the Klingons and the Krogans from Mass Effect. I mean, it would probably get me killed, but one hell of a way to go out.
I like that Klingons don't fire upon disabled ships. There's no honor in killing something that can't fight back. Even though it turns out it was playing dead like a coward.
It's a fantastic detail about the Klingons that sorely gets missed sometimes, particularly in DS9 I feel. There's a very early TNG episode where a child runs up to a trio of Klingon saboteurs, things get very tense for a moment, then the lead Klingon sends the child back unharmed and says 'There is no honour in taking hostages'.
In DS9's case, I'm specifically thinking of 'Nor The Battle To The Strong', where the Klingons are depicted raiding a triage hospital. That just never sat right with me.
@@Jokie155One could argue that hospitals house combatants (even if injured). Taking hostages is cowardly, and firing upon defenseless vessels and individuals is cowardly but hospitals have soldiers who are recovering. They may be injured but they're soldiers and warriors; they should have been prepared to fight even if injured. Thats probably how they view it. If one is capable of fighting, they are valid, if not they are not. We humans usually decry that injured are defenseless.
It is Peanut Hamper.
This would been a very let down
Honor seems to be EVERYTHING to the Klingons, isn't it?
This show gets somewhat more bearable when neither Mariner n or Boimler are on screen.
the only time ive seen that spear was being used as a gardening tool
They died with honor.
Why does the spear need sharpening? What is it made out of ? STEEL?!
Who will claim the Rights of Vengeance
It's Badgey isn't itit?
way to advance for Pakled tech maybe Badgey got a sponser?
@@victormontes7007
How would badgey get aboard the pakled ship? Did he put a copy of his code in that virus Ruthorford used S1?
of course its badgey the ship is a take away to who is the solo captain and the shape aswelll pretty ovious too
@@remtorres7511 Its confirmed in a post credit scene. Paramount took a page from Marvel. After the end credits are finished, We see badgey stanning at a viewport with one hand on a handle.
I suspect as much. He was left in the wreckage of a Pakled Clumpship, which had open connections to technology of over 30 different species, which would indicate if Badgey was controlling that small ship, it would help him hack and disable the ships he comes across
What if all these ships have an inside man?
Spoiler: Dude could have used that spear later. XD
Definitely would've made it a fairer fight.
I'm convince whatever this new threat is (Badgy?) is NOT killing whoever is encountering them! It just feels like a waste to killed off this Klingon character!
Hear me out Klingon hispanic style soap operas
I'm listening....
That was cool...lost your characters tho...
Collecting theory: I recall a TNG episode about the origins of humanoid life in the Star Trek universe, and that all have links. Perhaps that's what's happening?
Destroy those KO-POOT!!! TRANSLATION( BI*** ASS NI****)😂😂😂😂
Save that joke for another show, you stinkmeaner.
Mf thinks he’s funny
So... that's all? that one random ship disabled everything on that bird of prey and kaboom? I should of payed more attention to lower decks.
What really happened is revealed in the two-part season finale. But if you want spoiler…
The lower decks sabotaged the ship by shutting off power so they could mutiny against the captain. Their ship wasn't destroyed, it was stolen.
give the context, or else
Wait ... thats it? After that little Character interaction in previous seasons they just die like that? That pretty dull.