Excellent information. However, it should be noted that a Green sheen on Black is preferred. A strong Purple sheen means that the feather structure has slightly twisted shape and is a fault that is inherited by offspring. So breed from Green-sheen birds.
I am also working with the BBS line of American Bresse. I am particularly trying to work with the Silvers. The silver is white laced on black and often with silver birchen roosters. I am wanting to maximize the silver pattern. The breed was originally silver from 150 years or so, so the genetics are floating around. They seem to be larger and have larger eggs as well, so, another reason to develop. any hints. I can send pics? The white color is the more dominant color for the breed due to their more developed meat genetics than the BBS birds.
The only reason I believe you don’t see this false lacing in silkies is because the silky feathers are fluffy that you simply can’t make it out, this is true when one breeds in actual lacing genes such as with the partridge silkies as well. You will streaking of color in the plumage giving it a brindled effect but usually won’t be able to make out the pattern in the individual feathers. Now that part is a theory, however I can prove that blue silkies have the same lacing because I have 2 hens in my coop that are living proof. I have a Purebred Silkie rooster, He is Splash so all babies were blue. I don’t know who mom is (all the hens are not silkies though) but it doesn’t even matter because none of my hens are blue, and thus nobody carries a blue gene or we would’ve had a splash baby. We hatched 5 chicks, 3 males 2 females. Since they are satins and not true silkies, everyone had the false lacing plain as day. We obviously didn’t keep the boys but the girls are here to stay, are grown and living with their daddy now.
Excellent video! I am just starting my breeding adventure! I have Blue, Black and White American Bresse and this information was very helpful! My chicks are only 2 weeks old so it will be a while before I actually breed but I was wondering what I would get breeding white to black and/or blue? I'm going to check out your other videos soon - this was by far the best explanation of genetics that I've been able to find! Thanks and keep the info flowing!
Aww, thank you! I'm so glad it was helpful for you! So as far as white, there are actually two different types of white - dominant white and recessive white. If you breed a dominant white to a black, you get paint. To a blue, you get paint or blue paint, and to a splash, blue paint. This is all assuming that the dominant white is not carrying any copies of the blue gene. 🙂 When bred to recessive white, expect to get blue, black or splash offspring (depending on if the other parent was blue, black or splash), but recessive white birds usually carry strange genes underneath because recessive white covers everything, so don't be surprised if you get some weird mutt color! Because of this, it's usually best to keep BBS (and everything else) away from recessive white. 😁
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Very interesting videos. How can I create a line of black roosters? What physical characteristics(plumage) should I be looking for? I have many black hens, but I"m not able to get black roosters.
Thank you! What other colors are you seeing in your roosters? It sounds to me like you're dealing with leakage, where the pheomelanin (may be silver or gold colored) is leaking through. This is definitely more common in males than in females. Honestly, the quickest way to get rid of it is to start over with males that don't have leakage. Otherwise, you can continue breeding the males with the least amount of leakage to the hens whose fathers also had the least amount of leakage. Having the right females is just as important as the males. Even though hens may not have leakage, they can still pass it onto their sons. Hope that makes sense. 🙂
Hi! On the blue locus, half of the offspring will be blue. The question is whether you will be able to see than blue under the red. I can't say for sure without knowing what the red bird looks like. Feel free to send me a photo at cedarshadefarmnj@gmail.com. 🙂
This wouldn't give you a recognized color, mostly just a mess. 🙂 This may vary a bit depending on what the buff you are using is based on. Buffs on eWh tend to be yellow throughout, other genes are involved of course. Buffs based on eb tend to have black on their tail, neck and wings (and of course, other genes are involved). Either way, both *should* give you blue and black offspring with loads of gold leakage (might be silver if blues are silver based, depends on the gender of each parent). Hope this answers your question!
Thank you so much. This was very helpful. I got given a bunch of silkies and I’m just trying to make sure who should or should not breed. One last question if it’s not a bother, what happens if you cross a partridge with blue or buff ?
@@Rebbecca1983 No problem at all! In both cases, you would still get a genetic mess and not necessarily a color variety. 🙂 Crossing buff with partridge would probably give you a super messy partridge (very yellow) with an incomplete color pattern. Crossing blue with partridge should give you blues and blacks with loads of leakage. 🙂 What other colors do you have? Buff is one of those colors that is so different that it is best to only breed buff with buff. 🙂 Partridge/Silver Partridge (and maybe red Pyle? I’d have to check) can be bred together, but again, they’re all on a different genetic base with other genes that would result in a mess whenever you cross them with other colors. 🙂 Blue can be bred with black (blues and blacks), blue (blue, black, splash), splash (blue, splash), dominant white (blue paint and normal paint), recessive white (probably black and blue unless other colors are hiding underneath the recessive white), and some other unrecognized colors like cuckoo, mauve, platinum, dun, sex-linked chocolate, etc. 😄
The rooster which is on my DP started molting but he is not growing new feathers since 3 months if you have solution for that problem then please help🙂
Hi! To help speed up the molting process I like to add some extra protein to their diet in the form of treats or a higher protein feed (ex: Nutrena's Feather Fixer). 🙂 It is odd though that it would take longer than 12 weeks for him to grow his feathers back, are you sure he isn't getting picked on by the others? Sometimes when chickens need more protein, they get it by picking (and eating) their flockmate's feathers. Is he the only one with this issue?
Hi 👋 I love your videos. I’m very interested in chickens genes 🧬 and all of that. I have a standard size lav cochin rooster and a speckled Sussex hen do you know what kind of babies would come out I’m not sure about the speckled Sussex color I don’t know much about genetics but I want to learn more and I just found your videos and and I subscribed, they really help me out. Thanks 😊
Thank you for the kind words! 😊 The offspring from that should come out black. Maybe with some leakage depending on a few factors. All offspring will be split to mottled and split to lavender (both genes are recessive). Neither genes will show however, sometimes juveniles get white tips at the end of the feathers that disappear after their first molt if not sooner. Sometimes black birds that are split to lavender don’t have as nice a sheen as those that aren’t. 🙂 If it helps to visualize, think of speckled as ‘Red Mille Fleur.’ 😄 What is your end goal in this cross? Lavender mottled? 😄 Thank you again for the kind words and subscribing - it really means a lot! ❤️
@@CedarShadeFarm ok I was just wondering what the color would be I’m not really like a breeder or anything I have a mixed flock with a lot of different birds so 😂 I have no clue what my end goal was in breeding the two I just love the speckled color and I was hoping it would leak through a little bit but when I breed them does the babies have a speckled gene or to where I can bring it out after a couple of generations. Sorry for asking so many questions lol 😂
@@chickinnfarmer No problem at all! 😊If you take a son from that cross and breed it back to the mom (speckled), you will get a genetic mess, but some will be speckled! 😁 The cross should result in: red Columbian, red mille fleur (genetically these should look like speckled sussexs, but the color will probably not be as organized/defined as a pure one. Also, you will lose the type of the speckled sussex because of their cochin parent. 🙂), black mottled and black. Keep in mind many of these (like columbain and mille fleur) will probably come out incomplete and pretty messy. 😁 Let me know if you have any other questions, genetics is such a fascinating science!
@@CedarShadeFarm lol 😂 1last question and I’m done lol I have a white silkie if she breeds to the lavender cochin what would come out I saw your silkie video and I know the offspring won’t have silkies feathers to start but since white is a dominant gene will they come out like a white cochin thing lol idk 🤷♂️
@@chickinnfarmer There are actually two types of white - dominant and recessive (I have a video explaining the difference 😄) and honestly it will depend on what type of white your silkie is. If it is recessive white, offspring will probably be black. Sometimes recessive whites happen to carry blue so offspring could be blue if that is the case. The same applies for any other gene that is hidden by the recessive white. If it is dominant white, offspring should be white, but could be paint with black splotches showing through. 🙂
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Excellent information. However, it should be noted that a Green sheen on Black is preferred. A strong Purple sheen means that the feather structure has slightly twisted shape and is a fault that is inherited by offspring. So breed from Green-sheen birds.
I am also working with the BBS line of American Bresse. I am particularly trying to work with the Silvers. The silver is white laced on black and often with silver birchen roosters. I am wanting to maximize the silver pattern. The breed was originally silver from 150 years or so, so the genetics are floating around. They seem to be larger and have larger eggs as well, so, another reason to develop. any hints. I can send pics? The white color is the more dominant color for the breed due to their more developed meat genetics than the BBS birds.
Love these vids does all this apply to the leg/foot color as well as earlobe color
The only reason I believe you don’t see this false lacing in silkies is because the silky feathers are fluffy that you simply can’t make it out, this is true when one breeds in actual lacing genes such as with the partridge silkies as well. You will streaking of color in the plumage giving it a brindled effect but usually won’t be able to make out the pattern in the individual feathers. Now that part is a theory, however I can prove that blue silkies have the same lacing because I have 2 hens in my coop that are living proof. I have a Purebred Silkie rooster, He is Splash so all babies were blue. I don’t know who mom is (all the hens are not silkies though) but it doesn’t even matter because none of my hens are blue, and thus nobody carries a blue gene or we would’ve had a splash baby. We hatched 5 chicks, 3 males 2 females. Since they are satins and not true silkies, everyone had the false lacing plain as day. We obviously didn’t keep the boys but the girls are here to stay, are grown and living with their daddy now.
Excellent video! I am just starting my breeding adventure! I have Blue, Black and White American Bresse and this information was very helpful! My chicks are only 2 weeks old so it will be a while before I actually breed but I was wondering what I would get breeding white to black and/or blue? I'm going to check out your other videos soon - this was by far the best explanation of genetics that I've been able to find! Thanks and keep the info flowing!
Aww, thank you! I'm so glad it was helpful for you! So as far as white, there are actually two different types of white - dominant white and recessive white. If you breed a dominant white to a black, you get paint. To a blue, you get paint or blue paint, and to a splash, blue paint. This is all assuming that the dominant white is not carrying any copies of the blue gene. 🙂 When bred to recessive white, expect to get blue, black or splash offspring (depending on if the other parent was blue, black or splash), but recessive white birds usually carry strange genes underneath because recessive white covers everything, so don't be surprised if you get some weird mutt color! Because of this, it's usually best to keep BBS (and everything else) away from recessive white. 😁
Excelente información es muy común confundir el color mauve con el platinum pero son genotipos distintos azul/chocolate o azul/Dun saludos desde México 🇲🇽
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thank you for this valuable informations
So glad it was useful to you!
Very interesting videos. How can I create a line of black roosters? What physical characteristics(plumage) should I be looking for? I have many black hens, but I"m not able to get black roosters.
Thank you! What other colors are you seeing in your roosters? It sounds to me like you're dealing with leakage, where the pheomelanin (may be silver or gold colored) is leaking through. This is definitely more common in males than in females. Honestly, the quickest way to get rid of it is to start over with males that don't have leakage. Otherwise, you can continue breeding the males with the least amount of leakage to the hens whose fathers also had the least amount of leakage. Having the right females is just as important as the males. Even though hens may not have leakage, they can still pass it onto their sons. Hope that makes sense. 🙂
Another great video
Thank you! 😊
Love my blue birds
I don't have a blue or black rooster, I only have red rooster and a heterozygous blue hen
is it possible for them to produce a blue offsprings?
Hi! On the blue locus, half of the offspring will be blue. The question is whether you will be able to see than blue under the red. I can't say for sure without knowing what the red bird looks like. Feel free to send me a photo at cedarshadefarmnj@gmail.com. 🙂
What happens when you breed blue to buff? What do the offspring look like?
This wouldn't give you a recognized color, mostly just a mess. 🙂 This may vary a bit depending on what the buff you are using is based on. Buffs on eWh tend to be yellow throughout, other genes are involved of course. Buffs based on eb tend to have black on their tail, neck and wings (and of course, other genes are involved). Either way, both *should* give you blue and black offspring with loads of gold leakage (might be silver if blues are silver based, depends on the gender of each parent). Hope this answers your question!
Thank you so much. This was very helpful. I got given a bunch of silkies and I’m just trying to make sure who should or should not breed.
One last question if it’s not a bother, what happens if you cross a partridge with blue or buff ?
@@Rebbecca1983 No problem at all! In both cases, you would still get a genetic mess and not necessarily a color variety. 🙂 Crossing buff with partridge would probably give you a super messy partridge (very yellow) with an incomplete color pattern. Crossing blue with partridge should give you blues and blacks with loads of leakage. 🙂
What other colors do you have? Buff is one of those colors that is so different that it is best to only breed buff with buff. 🙂 Partridge/Silver Partridge (and maybe red Pyle? I’d have to check) can be bred together, but again, they’re all on a different genetic base with other genes that would result in a mess whenever you cross them with other colors. 🙂
Blue can be bred with black (blues and blacks), blue (blue, black, splash), splash (blue, splash), dominant white (blue paint and normal paint), recessive white (probably black and blue unless other colors are hiding underneath the recessive white), and some other unrecognized colors like cuckoo, mauve, platinum, dun, sex-linked chocolate, etc. 😄
How i can get paper white colour
Here is some information on white. 🙂
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The rooster which is on my DP started molting but he is not growing new feathers since 3 months if you have solution for that problem then please help🙂
Hi! To help speed up the molting process I like to add some extra protein to their diet in the form of treats or a higher protein feed (ex: Nutrena's Feather Fixer). 🙂 It is odd though that it would take longer than 12 weeks for him to grow his feathers back, are you sure he isn't getting picked on by the others? Sometimes when chickens need more protein, they get it by picking (and eating) their flockmate's feathers. Is he the only one with this issue?
@@CedarShadeFarm yes I kept him alone
Hi 👋 I love your videos. I’m very interested in chickens genes 🧬 and all of that. I have a standard size lav cochin rooster and a speckled Sussex hen do you know what kind of babies would come out I’m not sure about the speckled Sussex color I don’t know much about genetics but I want to learn more and I just found your videos and and I subscribed, they really help me out. Thanks 😊
Thank you for the kind words! 😊
The offspring from that should come out black. Maybe with some leakage depending on a few factors. All offspring will be split to mottled and split to lavender (both genes are recessive). Neither genes will show however, sometimes juveniles get white tips at the end of the feathers that disappear after their first molt if not sooner. Sometimes black birds that are split to lavender don’t have as nice a sheen as those that aren’t. 🙂 If it helps to visualize, think of speckled as ‘Red Mille Fleur.’ 😄
What is your end goal in this cross? Lavender mottled? 😄 Thank you again for the kind words and subscribing - it really means a lot! ❤️
@@CedarShadeFarm ok I was just wondering what the color would be I’m not really like a breeder or anything I have a mixed flock with a lot of different birds so 😂 I have no clue what my end goal was in breeding the two I just love the speckled color and I was hoping it would leak through a little bit but when I breed them does the babies have a speckled gene or to where I can bring it out after a couple of generations. Sorry for asking so many questions lol 😂
@@chickinnfarmer No problem at all! 😊If you take a son from that cross and breed it back to the mom (speckled), you will get a genetic mess, but some will be speckled! 😁 The cross should result in: red Columbian, red mille fleur (genetically these should look like speckled sussexs, but the color will probably not be as organized/defined as a pure one. Also, you will lose the type of the speckled sussex because of their cochin parent. 🙂), black mottled and black. Keep in mind many of these (like columbain and mille fleur) will probably come out incomplete and pretty messy. 😁 Let me know if you have any other questions, genetics is such a fascinating science!
@@CedarShadeFarm lol 😂 1last question and I’m done lol I have a white silkie if she breeds to the lavender cochin what would come out I saw your silkie video and I know the offspring won’t have silkies feathers to start but since white is a dominant gene will they come out like a white cochin thing lol idk 🤷♂️
@@chickinnfarmer There are actually two types of white - dominant and recessive (I have a video explaining the difference 😄) and honestly it will depend on what type of white your silkie is. If it is recessive white, offspring will probably be black. Sometimes recessive whites happen to carry blue so offspring could be blue if that is the case. The same applies for any other gene that is hidden by the recessive white.
If it is dominant white, offspring should be white, but could be paint with black splotches showing through. 🙂
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If you contact me via email, FB, or IG I can send you the video transcript. 🙂
@@CedarShadeFarm I will appreciate that.how do I get in touch ?