He just doesn't understand. It wasn't only a tragedy. It WAS an injustice! They literally told the kids to stay in their rooms while the captain and staff escaped to safety. And then the press and government covered it up. If he knew the whole story, I think it would help him understand a little better. (He still may not appreciate it, but at least he would understand.)
@@beluuzzz The whole purpose of this video is reaction and education. This is a REAL reaction from someone who works in the industry behind the scenes. He knows nothing of k-pop other than they are manufactured groups (which they are) He is learning that BTS is different, but he’s STILL learning. One thing I love about ARMY is that they love to teach and educate. This is a great opportunity to teach, share and explain. Do you want reactions to be censored so you only hear and see what you want to hear? That is also a form of ignorance. Let’s try to be a bit more gracious and open minded. BTS is awesome! Let’s show people why and be patient instead of cutting them off.
Hi! Thanks for appreciating all the different viewpoints. I think it makes for interesting discussion! Yeah so there are a lot of people out there who just don't know much about BTS or K-Pop. And they might come with all sorts of assumptions based on what they know - and that's what happened here. Sometimes it just takes some patience and the willingness to help others along the way to understand 1) how amazing BTS is and 2) how complex and layered the Spring Day MV is. So it's not completely his fault for coming off that way - he just didn't have all the info. Thanks for understanding and for sticking around for the convo! Another deep discussion video drops tomorrow so that'll be interesting. But the one after that will be a lot of fun. - Editing Jo
@@EEBeyond He still assumes the worst which is quite ignorant. I've had friends and seen reactors who, like this dude, didn't know anything about kpop (except that they're manufacturer groups), but they didn't immediately assume the worst of them as human beings and artists. These preconceived notions in his thinking are the problem (studies are abundant in regards to this). I've learned that the problem with holding preconceived notions as being true is that they can lead us to very negative and critical beliefs about others and that can affect our behaviors toward others. This dude's behavior (though honest it lacked any or all tact) is a clear reflection of his cognitive bias and stereotyping. And please understand, that while being gracious might be easier for you because he is your friend, for viewers like us, it would naturally be received with a different sentiment. And though most Army would make the decision to be gracious since OP kindly asked, that doesn't invalidate viewers feelings when they (with reasonable cause) first take offense to the dude's behavior and words.
I can't believe him asking "They have trains in Korea?" Believe or not Korea is the most technologically developed country. They have trains which run faster than the ones in US. Even the California governor went to Korea to adopt the Korean train and technology to bring US. Fastest wifi in the world, the most advanced 5Gs everywhere, the very best subway systems in the world, very advanced medical systems, and so on... Just because BTS is labeled as a boyband and from Korea, people have prenotion about them and thinking rather very lightly without knowing them. That's my pet peeve. Also he is ignorant of other countries cultures and political situations. If BTS bluntly write what they want to express directly about any situations involving government especially this incident, they would be in Black list and that could been the end of their career at that time in Korea. They even risked their career and physically visited victims' families and donated $ and that was a big risk for them. Since then, they have a new leader for the country and political silent rules have changed and gained a lot more freedoms nowadays.
@@nighthawk326 No, he looked serious until girls answered and shacking head as if they couldn't believe what they heard & finally laughed. Even if that was a joke, that was a downgrading stupid reaction and you know he had that kind of prenotion already exist in his head as if that country is primitive.
I would highly recommend they watch the explanation by Italian Army. That video goes into more detail that addresses most of the issues the guy had. I think if he had of seen that and understood that the government at the time was attempting to silence and even blacklist celebrities for speaking out he would understand that just making this song and video was a HUGE risk for BTS. The captain telling those kids to stay put and not evacuate, people desperately wanting to to to save those still alive and being stopped...this was a massive trauma for the entire country.
Hi! Thanks for the suggestion! We're still learning so thank you for being gracious with us. I personally just watched the Italian Army explanation video a few days ago and it wrecked me. The gravity of the whole situation is so heavy and wish I was more informed when I showed them the MV that day. I think the discussion would have looked very different if we had all the info. But I guess that's growing pains - especially when you're learning something completely new about a country that you know nothing about, let alone the history and the culture. It takes time but we're all willing to learn more. I'll let the others know about the Italian Army explanation video. Thanks! - Editing Jo
21:57 He really has no clue Celebrities that tried to speak on this were shut down immediately. They had to do this is a clever way or it would have never made it. The Kpop word/industry is completely different from western pop. Idols lose their career over rumors,dating scandals,if fans think they are being "lazy" on stage ect. Even doing the little that they did was an EXTREME CAREER RISK
Well, his perspective was not communicated very well. He does not understand the hardships they have endured and continue to endure to this day. He does not understand the SK culture, and why BTS could not come out and specifically criticize the gov, so in a creative way they were able to communicate how they felt. BTS has worked their asses off to get where they are and their music and lyrics are powerful. All businesses need to make a profit, but BTS likened to a money making machine? like backstreet boys? That was a poor analogy the only thing in common with the western boy bands of the past, is they were all boys. BTS is nothing like those groups. Except for the last few songs in English, which are very poppy, BTS has a message, (watch the live performance of “Magic Shop”, inspired by JK, to their fans), a positive message. That is why they have a very strong and loyal fan base.
Hi! Thanks for understanding - he came with very little knowledge of kpop and so he spoke from what he knew, the western music industry. We may know that BTS isn't like Backstreet Boys but he doesn't know that yet. Tbh that's probably what a lot of Americans think BTS is. It takes patience, kindness, and time to both teach and learn about who / why BTS is different than American boy bands. They're so much more bigger than that. With profound messages and INCREDIBLE music. At the time of this recording he had only heard three BTS songs. So we all have to give him a little bit of a break since he didn't know. That's also one of the great things about this loyal fanbase - ARMY is really good about educating others in kindness. And for the most part, a lot of these comments have been that (with a few exceptions). So thank you for being gracious with us. I'll add Magic Shop to the list of things to watch. Not sure if Luis will join us again but I'll pass the MV on to him regardless. Thanks! - Editing Jo
When this song came out, the government tried to hide this big incident and monitored and suppressed those who tried to reveal it. At the time BTS released this song, it was not a situation where they could make money with this song, but it was a very dangerous situation, and they even did that. It was accepted and published.
I watched the documentary on the fairy tragedy and what you don’t know is that 259 middle school kids died because they were told to stay in their cabins even as the fairy was sinking!! And the captain and the crew got off and left them there!! The president at that time tried to cover it up!! This happened in 2014 and this song is still charting in Korea today!! It was a massive tragedy!! They actually were able to get the phone of one of the students who was filming what was happening!! You can here how confused and scared they are, as they are being told to stay in their cabins!!
@@beluuzzz The whole purpose of this video is reaction and education. This is a REAL reaction from someone who works in the industry behind the scenes. He knows nothing of k-pop other than they are manufactured groups (which they are) He is learning that BTS is different, but he’s STILL learning. One thing I love about ARMY is that they love to teach and educate. This is a great opportunity to teach, share and explain. Do you want reactions to be censored so you only hear and see what you want to hear? That is also a form of ignorance. Let’s try to be a bit more gracious and open minded. BTS is awesome! Let’s show people why and be patient instead of cutting them off.
@@beluuzzz Why? They just don't understand everything... but they're not being rude or dismissive to BTS. They approached it with an open mind and they're actually trying to learn. ARMY should show a little grace and continue to support them while they explore the discography. Canceling people for having a different opinion than you is ridiculous.
@@Ali-OT7ARMY Thank you Ali! We're all trying to learn here and that takes time. For the most part, ARMY has been very kind to offer up more info and video suggestions. We really appreciate your patience and being gracious with us!
Hi! Thanks for letting us know. I actually watched the Italian Army explanation video about a week ago and seeing those clips of parents crying at the edge of the dock while their kids were inside drowning - that wrecked me. And it was clear to see the injustice that was blatantly there and the huge risk they took in releasing that song. But at the time of this recording, none of us knew that. And it made us seem ignorant or closed-minded or whatnot. But that's because we didn't have all the facts. We're willing to change that, so please be patient with us. I love that ARMY has been so gracious and offering us ways to learn more about the both tragedy and the culture. I'm sorry that I wasn't fully prepared when I first showed them this MV. I'll try to do better moving forward. Thanks! - Editing Jo
I wanted to go into this with an open mind because I know they are still new but WOW. Can you *please* get them to watch "What Went Wrong In The South Korean Ferry Disaster" by The New Yorker. I'm actually begging. The ignorance and plain awful comments made in this video is heartbreaking to listen to especially now, when one of the people largely responsible was pardoned just a few days ago. Please excuse my english
Hi! Thank you for your video rec. I haven't seen the New Yorker video yet but I'll make it a priority to do so. And I'll make sure to pass the video along to the others. Luis was a guest on our channel so I don't think he'll be back anytime soon. But that shouldn't stop each one of us from watching the video and learning more about the entire situation. Thank you for being patient with us! I know that ARMY is super protective and that this is a very sensitive topic and I want to treat it with the utmost respect. So please forgive us for any offense. We're still learning. And I hope after all this, we'll be better informed to share the MV and what it represents to others more properly. - Editing Jo Btw - your English is great!
He had a fair opinion but everyone has something that impacts them more than others. Especially when children are involved. Micheal Jackson focused on the environment, some focus on the drug epidemic. Art is about expression. Think of photographs of war. Someone got paid for that although it’s a horrible situation. But through their art medium they shared what was going on and informed the rest of us.
The song Spring Day is a hopeful song. The lyricism is beautiful and I think it was more a comfort song for the survivors. The beginning and throughout the MV focused on the feelings of the survivors i.e. guilt, confusion, numbness, loneliness, loss, anger, injustice etc, hence these are the feelings that represents winter. This song allows them to cope and be okay with moving on. I find it amazing how BTS actually thought about the survivors, usually the attention and emphasis is on who is to blame or who died and we all forget about those who have to live with the repercussions. Some wanted to commit suicide, some receiving therapy, some are demanding answers from the govt, some outcasted from society for actually surviving the tragedy, everyone is finding a way to cope. For them, winter comes more than once a year, but as the lyrics in the song mentions winter will pass and spring will come, so too will those happier days. This will be the constant cycle, this song is a reminder that no pain lasts forever. RM once mentioned that if our pain was out of a scale of 100, if listening to their music could lessen the pain to 99, 98, 97, (just by a little) then their existence is enough. So although you may have believe they’re trying use this tragedy to gain profit, they’ve dedicated themselves to speaking up on behalf of their generation and leaving legacies for the next. Spring Day is a masterpiece, paying homage to the Sewol tragedy in the MV, allowing healing for the survivors and their families. BTS also fulfilled one of the wishes of the survivors, which was to not forget those who have died, this song since it’s release has not left the Korean top 50 charts.
Thank you for sharing!! Spring Day is a beautiful anthem and everyone should know fully how thoughtful and meaningful it is. I did a poor job of informing my reactors of what it was about and so I’m sorry for the insensitive or offensive remarks - I feel that if he knew more information or knew the band more, he would have kinder words. But that’s what being part of ARMY is all about right? Helping educate others along while being protective at the same time. Thank you for watching. And thank you for your grace and patience with us as we introduce our guests to k-pop. 💜💜🙏🏼🙏🏼 - Editing Jo
@@k-popcrashcourse No worries Jo! Everyone is allowed different perspectives and I did find their views interesting especially since they have industry experience. I had to watch the MV a few times to fully understand it because there were some scenes I couldn't figure out and other details that just skipped over my head. But that's the beauty about BTS, all the hidden Easter eggs that brings discussions. Thanks for sharing their music and allowing these discussions to be had 💜
So this reaction may make most ARMY’s upset - and we totally get that. The discussion after the video gets very intense and so please be patient and show some grace to someone who is new to k-pop. All three reactors come from the music industry and they speak with that experience in mind. So they may not be fully in the know of where BTS comes from, how they write, and who their audience is. Let alone the history and tragedy of the Sewol Ferry accident. So please be kind in the comments. We’re all here to learn from each other. Thank you! - Editing Jo We got a million (angry) comments after posting this video and I have tried to reply to most of them. But to make things easier, Elaine and I made a response video to answer everyone's concerns. You can watch that video here: ruclips.net/video/lR9zeZiF9oA/видео.html Thanks for your patience and understanding. - Editing Jo
@@beluuzzz The whole purpose of this video is reaction and education. This is a REAL reaction from someone who works in the industry behind the scenes. He knows nothing of k-pop other than they are manufactured groups (which they are) He is learning that BTS is different, but he’s STILL learning. One thing I love about ARMY is that they love to teach and educate. This is a great opportunity to teach, share and explain. Do you want reactions to be censored so you only hear and see what you want to hear? That is also a form of ignorance. Let’s try to be a bit more gracious and open minded. BTS is awesome! Let’s show people why and be patient instead of cutting them off.
For his comment on comparing the injustice that this is to NORTH KOREA......dont you think it would be better spoken about by idk ...... A NORTH KOREAN?? 🤣🤣🤣🤣 not south koreans who haven't even done their military service yet. The knowledge they know about NK is what they learn in school about the past....doesnt do much good smh🤦🏾♀️ I'm tryna give him the benefit of the doubt here, I really am. But it seemed like the guy already came with a BIAS mindset and made a comment about something without cultural background. And in all actuality considering BTS came from nothing with a company going bankrupt I think they definitely have a right to speak,being a fan or not.hes judging them by what they are now not what they were even then,let alone in the beginning. You should have him react to the Italian explanation. As well as the BTS HARDSHIPS 2013-2021 BY xceleste as well as this is BTS by xceleste
Im sorry but he is soooooo wrong!! He is looking at it from a "western" perspective and i wish one of them actually looked it up while sitting there. This was such a major tragedy that the President of Korea was ousted and people went to jail. His judgments are so far off and they chose to let their art speak to the tragedy. This was a tribute. And he has no clue the racism and Korean culture is very different....he is so closed minded and is exactly why ARMY protects them!!! Please don't bring him back!!!! And lastly as far as their "artistic freedom" THEY CALL THE SHOTS!!!!!
I think it will be better if you watched the other explanation of the Italian Army. It contains actual footages of the whole tragedy. This is a serious tragedy for their country, a lot died and mostly kids. Their President was ousted.
@@bmb1824 I wanted to rip him a new one too at first too. But as an American, I can tell u that un-humble self-righteousness is a very prototypical starting point. People can learn from it.
And about ARMY, we are not haters or crazy. I don't hate him for his opinion, mostly I'm sad because he is judging without knowing them. HYBE is a corporation and its job is to make money. But BTS has freedom to do what they want and to speak freely.
He was speaking from a very western POV because that's what he knows. He works in the music industry and sees a lot more than we do. He doesn't know that HYBE and BTS is different. It takes time to learn these things. - Editing Jo
i do understand where hes coming from and it kinda makes me sad that he has that automatic view that artists will deceive but bts have never been like that and i kinda wish people understood that bts is different from regular kpop and its not only about money for bts and bighit. sure that was part of it but they were doing this long before the checks were rolling in. other kpop groups may be about the money but bts was never like that. they risked being blacklisted many times not only for spring day but for am i wrong too and they always rose eyebrows with songs like gogo and baepsae etc i also think they need to let go of western perspective because applying that to the east will automatically give you a biased view which then needs to be corrected when the expectations could just not be there from the start. i think they should react to bts hardships 2013 - 2021 by xceleste so they can understand just how outcasted bts were and are to the point to them not caring about what others thought and needing to do things themselves like writing and producing cause they had to and cause they enjoyed it. bighit always wanted to change the industry and they did with bts. most of the rules and ways of kpop dont apply to bts because bang pd wanted them to be different and i understand besides from what they already know about western artists/groups plus what they probably have read about kpop by western media that theyre already fed a lot of wrong biased information but its still kinda frustrating having to explain and in a way convince people each time they learn about bts. id also suggest reacting to the videos on bbygangs channel about bts and kpop in general and how western media distorts what kpop is even many kpop fans are misinformed about a lot of things. ill personally watch all the reactions to these videos cause like their perspective isnt completely wrong in all areas because it does apply to some groups/artists/labels in the kpop industry just not bts. (hope this all over the place comment makes some sense)
That was totally a joke! He's real good friends with both E + Chey (they were all in a band together for years) and they've traveled the world. So they know that Korea has trains! That's also why they gave him that "you're an idiot look" haha.
That’s what happens when people don’t understand the whole backstory. The interpretation has to be visible in their world. BTS created an outlet for us thru music. To know we are not alone. To be our voice. They are just like us despite the $ you think keeps them from being like us. Because of them there is a huge community of armies that have built supportive formats. This has raised the confidence and emotional support amongst everyone. They are much younger than me but I can tell you as a 54 year old mom I find their music pure and inspiring. I can dance and I can cry. Their music means more to me than so many artists here in the states. The more time you invest in getting to know them will help you to realize what genuine gentleman they are! I will be an ARMY for life. 🥰🥰
No reason for people to get mad, he said what he needed to say and he made valid points. (edit: also he did seem like he went into this reaction with a biased mindset, he already had a formed opinion which will never get anybody anywhere) But I will say BTS is deep, that's who they are regardless, most of their work has a plot line. There is literally a story line that goes throughout their music videos. But that's what us fans like, we like to analyze and figure out the story line & the members like when we do so. BTS has always talked about the wrongs of South Korea, specifically their government. They address things people in Korea simply are too afraid to do so. They have songs like N.O. that addresses how terrible the Korean school system is, pushing kids to work and work without thinking about the long term. Another song Am I Wrong, which got them blacklisted by the government at one point also called out the government and how shitty it is and basically the entire time was saying, "you did all of these things, so am i wrong for how i feel or what i say". Spring Day was to bring awareness to the situation, the Ferry accident wasn't covered how it was suppose to be and the government told all those survivors to forget about it, they wanted to bring awareness to the situation with this song, which they did and now this song is one of their most impact and still hasn't left Korean charts to this day, years after. Obviously, you don't have to like these types of songs but I'm just saying BTS is a group who speaks about certain topics, some being really heavy topics, every song they have created since 2013 has a meaning. It's hard for newer fans to understand but the members have all been through their shares of hardships in the world and they bring light to those hardships, everyone has different focal points when creating music, this is an example of theirs.
@@beluuzzz The whole purpose of this video is reaction and education. This is a REAL reaction from someone who works in the industry behind the scenes. He knows nothing of k-pop other than they are manufactured groups (which they are) He is learning that BTS is different, but he’s STILL learning. One thing I love about ARMY is that they love to teach and educate. This is a great opportunity to teach, share and explain. Do you want reactions to be censored so you only hear and see what you want to hear? That is also a form of ignorance. Let’s try to be a bit more gracious and open minded. BTS is awesome! Let’s show people why and be patient instead of cutting them off.
Thanks for your patience and grace with us. We didn't have all the information at the time but we're hoping to be better at that moving forward. I think the more they learn about the band, their creative process, and what they're about from the core - they'll begin to understand why they are different from everyone else. It'll take some time. But slowly and surely, we're getting there. - Editing Jo
Personal opinion here.. he doesn’t seem very open minded. The whole purpose of reaction vids are about teaching and learning. But when you come into these close minded from the get go, why bother? If you don’t take the opportunity to learn about other cultures, no matter where you’re from, then you’ll always have closed minded opinions. “I bet you $100 bucks” Maybe he needs to learn about other cultures in his own country before trying to learn about other country’s. Btw, I’m not mad, just genuinely disappointed that in almost 2022, there’s still ppl like him out there. You ladies did a fabulous job, again, personal opinion,.. but if you continue to have him on your reactions, I won’t return.
I agree. Although I am officially an ARMY, I don't understand how after being informed of a tragedy involving children [especially the number of causalities the moderator quoted to him] their demeanor toward the subject matter was not more serious and respectful. I understand he had minimum context initially while reacting to the videos but I noticed that he laughed and had an indifferent demeanor even after being informed children died.
I like the reaction because it exposes what they have had to deal with the whole time. Some people just suddenly realized they're popular but didn't see the 16 hr days for years (since 2010) against these same knee jerk criticisms that got them to this point. Some people just want to go negative on something that's popular instead of considering why so many people of all demographics have come to love them.
The North Korea comment was so…American? Like, it took me years to learn this myself but to outsiders I’m sure the issue btw North Korea and South Korea is the biggest thing that should be on the minds of South Koreans But in actuality, what I learned from South Koreans themselves is that they’re REALLY not worried abt North Korea. I remember a couple years back NK started testing their missiles again but SKs weren’t fazed saying “they do this every couple years” There is nothing I’ve learned from my study of Korea or talks with Koreans to insinuate that they fear NK. Not anymore anyway. IN FACT, the majority of Korea just wants the 2 nations to reunify. And their current President has made great efforts to get closer to reunification. So, I just thought that was interesting (if not a little disrespectful) bc here comes an American telling a Korean what “impactful” topic they should be making music abt, meanwhile Koreans silently underwent a mini revolution thanks to this tragedy. THATS why SK loves this song so much, and why it hasn’t fallen off the charts since it was released. It just felt very telling of how our worldviews impact our thought and speech of how other countries and ppl should behave.
I mean - yeah. In a lot of ways, Americans just don't know the history of other countries. And so a comment like that can come across very rude and/or ignorant - but tbh I personally don't know much about their war or border or viewpoints of north/south citizens. I mean, besides watching Crash Landing On You, idk what to think about North Korea either. So thanks for filling me in a bit bc I had no idea. But as for that whole last paragraph - I completely agree with you. I felt like the comment was severely out of place and I knew the song meant a lot to the country. I know a lot of Americans can come off that way, but I think that's where we have to correct them. Lovingly (but firmly) correct them. Which by toll of all these comments, that is exactly what ARMY is doing. Thanks for all your comments and watching the video all the way through. Sorry if the discussion caused any stress! Sometimes we just never know where it'll end up going. I definitely did not see it going this way so it was a learning curve for sure. - Editing Jo
@@k-popcrashcourse it is totally fine, I mean I’m American too so I completely understood that it takes a lot for us to really learn how the rest of the world works and understand why they do what they do, bc America really doesn’t emphasize expanding your worldview in our education system. (Meanwhile, the rest of the world ALWAYS has to learn abt America and American news/pop culture). I did stay until the end and really valued the entire discussion bc it told me so much abt America but also each of you guys individually. I’m not gonna psychoanalyze you guys in the comments but I’ve got a degree in psychology and pre-med so this discussion really catered to that part of my brain 😂😂. All in all, thanks for putting this reaction out there and I hope (if you guys are still interested) you come to learn more abt BTS and the SK culture as a whole. I think the more you learn, the more you’ll realize why ARMY “idolize” BTS the way they do. They are very much the black sheep of their culture and industry and have always put themselves in harms way bc of it.
This song hasn't left charts since it release because it struck a chord with alot of people, this song comforted alot of people that were missing friends and loved ones.celebrities who tried to speak out about the sewol ferry tragedy was shut down, it was revealed by the victims families that in 2014 bts personally visited the families, donated 100 million won,burned incense and provided comfort for them, bts risked being blacklisted at that time. Bts has always spoke about important and serious matters and they do that using something they love and is passionate about, music, other than that they donate to various causes and do things like visting the victims families privately because it not about clout and money for them. Its sad that this man came into this with his mind already made up about bts and maybe things also should have been explained better, like what was happening with the government and citizens at that time and the sewol tragedy should have been explained fully. Songs like N.O., bapsae,am i wrong,paradise, even no more dream criticizes the government and pressures of society.
Poor guy, you could have given him a heads up before he dug himself into a hole 🤣 I really enjoyed he's point of view. Refreshing honesty from a reaction! I am looking forward more videos. I recommend some live performances.. we all know that BTS are amazing live 💜
I appreciate the honesty. I mean it shows the skepticism & subtle xenophobia BTS & ARMY are up against. People make immediate self-assured opinions based on biased presumptions without knowing a damn thing ... That's exactly what they've had to deal with their entire careers... Even now!
Hi! Thanks for empathizing with him ... as he dug himself into a hole haha! I honestly did not think the video reaction would go in that direction at all! I absolutely love Spring Day and was blindsided by his response. I just wasn't expecting that at all! I'm just glad he came around by the end. I planned so many MV's for that session with him that day but we didn't even get to half of them because our discussions were so long! So no live performances with Luis. But we do have two more reaction videos with him. The one we drop tomorrow has another deep discussion but the one after that is fun. Hopefully he'll watch more on his own and fall in love with the band. I think it's inevitable - they're amazing live and they're just the best ☺️
I really loved and appreciated the girl on the rights reaction! You can tell she had lots of empathy for the death of all the children, her crying is how the nation cried when it happened 💜💜
Yeah ... Elaine was bawling her eyes out. It's really sad! I actually watched the Italian Army Explanation video a few days and I was a wreck. The sheer weight of the entire tragedy is so immense that I don't think we fully understood it when we recorded this reaction. I kind of wish we had the time to learn more before going into our deep discussion but I guess it's never too late to learn more and to empathize. - Editing Jo
The video has representations of the ferry incident that killed many. That is why this song was created. The laundry represents the clothes that were found and left in a pile in Korea. Many representations. It’s hard to really comment on the video without knowing the tragic story. I see why it is confusing. The song is tragic but beautiful. You guys are doing great by the way. I enjoy watching your reactions.
i only watched until , ' are there trains in korea?' . hey guy, where are you from? i know you will say its a joke. im not laughing. anyway, have a happy new year!
Sorry if you're getting this comment twice - I accidentally posted it from my personal RUclips account instead of the channel account. And apparently I copy/pasted incorrectly. But I'm going to try to remember what I said ... Basically the comment about the trains was a joke and he knows that there are trains and other technologies in Korea. He has traveled the world and both E + Chey know that. That's why they gave him the "you're an idiot" look. But it's ok if you stopped watching there because you'd probably get real upset at the discussion afterward. But if you do end up watching the video, please give Luis some time to figure things out. He does a great job at digging himself into a hole as the discussion progresses, mostly because he's talking from a very western outlook on the music industry. And so his comments aren't about BTS but mostly artists in general. But I think with some external processing and some discussion points, he eventually comes around and admits that he was wrong about things. By the time the fourth video posts (on Monday) his viewpoint on things will be different, it just seems like he doesn't get there but in reality it's only like 30 minutes later after a few other MV's. So please excuse his dumb remarks or you can choose to not watch the videos. That's fine. There are some other reaction videos with just E + Chey that might be good to watch. Hope that clears things up. And sorry for the double commenting! - Editing Jo
You guys are right. I grew up right outside of Philly and I remember asking my parents why ppl threw their shoes up on the cable wires. My dad then told me it’s to symbolize that someone died there. I usually saw a whole bunch of shoes in 1 location so now i know that means a bunch of ppl died there, usually to gang violence. Now tell that man to give y’all $100 😂😂
I think the one behind the cameras name is Jo? Can you do an introduction video to the boys like a kpop history or introduction video. Assumptions are fine but you gotta give accurate information after a while. He is generalizing too much. Kpop like every other industry is about money. Even non profit people work for money (they get funded through other means). But culture and history is important and assumptions become ignorance after a while when you don’t seek the facts.
Hi! So we have plans on doing both the Ida S and XCeleste intro videos along with the Hardships video. It'll just take time before we can get to everything - they just have so much content! As for Luis, he was a guest for that day and came into it blindly. I wasn't expecting his reaction to be that way and so I wasn't prepared with all the info to fill him in with. I'm sorry about that. So his opinion was based on what he knew about the music industry here in the US and that's what painted his opinion. I'm sure if he took the time to learn more about BTS and the k-pop industry in general, he'd appreciate it more. I just recently watched the Italian Army Explanation video and have plans on watching the New Yorker one too, that way I can be more prepared in the future when I talk to others about this song. Thanks for being patient with me. I'm still learning too. - Editing Jo
The fact the time when the sewol tragedy happened. Gov of SK banned anyone who freely talks about it. And arts is always a way to talk about an issue. Like how here in PH when Spanish colonised us Filipino, one of our hero Dr. Jose Rizal used literature to called out the Spanish gov and woken the Filipino people that we are being slave in our own land. He keep pushing the big corporation things when Spring day was released when BH was a small Company. My criticsm to him is stop generalising every artists just bec the people you met are all like that. His world view doesn't speak for everyone. The guy also having his American mentality. In US you want in your face thing when here in Asian. It not really a thing if censorship is big here esp is SK. PS. That dude is not giving a criticism at all bec again criticism means giving a well thought opinion to improve something that a person is well informed about what they criticisizing in this case he is being prejudice and basing his so called critism in his limited and ignorant point of view.
@@beluuzzz The whole purpose of this video is reaction and education. This is a REAL reaction from someone who works in the industry behind the scenes. He knows nothing of k-pop other than they are manufactured groups (which they are) He is learning that BTS is different, but he’s STILL learning. One thing I love about ARMY is that they love to teach and educate. This is a great opportunity to teach, share and explain. Do you want reactions to be censored so you only hear and see what you want to hear? That is also a form of ignorance. Let’s try to be a bit more gracious and open minded. BTS is awesome! Let’s show people why and be patient instead of cutting them off.
They can't opening speak about cuz the government was not blocking it they even get blacklisted by the government for donating money to the victims of the tragedy 💀💀of course you are free to your opinions im not going to jump your ass for having your opinions but it just hurts like hell hearing you say that they only doing for the money which is the last thing on their mind when they created this song this song is still charting in Korea after 4 years that says alot it is some sort of comfort for those parents that lost their child
Much like your vid, this ended up way longer than expected, oops! I appreciate Luis' honesty though, as it's coming from an outside perspective, I feel like he could maybe hold off on the judging until he's gotten some of the details. Props to E, Chey and Jo for providing some of the background. I'm just gonna add a few more thoughts. "Injustice" was the correct word. The school kids were told to stay in place on the illegally overly stacked sinking ferry by the capt. and crew for hours and there were plenty of chances to rescue them yet the authorities didn't and they stopped civilians from doing so. The gov't and media lied about what happened. The President was impeached afterward and it was found that she had a blacklist of artists and such. Luis is correct that it's not just 7 guys, they are backed by a whole company. RM and SUGA wrote the song about missing friends. The MV was made about the ferry tragedy as blatantly as was possible back then. But the 7 guys have been allowed and encouraged to write music about subjects they're passionate about since the very beginning, though some songs are written about something specific but worded in a way so that as many ppl as possible can relate to it(ie. missing loved ones or even as a breakup song). Forgetting that they're backed by a company is disrespectful to all the behind the scenes ppl, like the ones who made the MV, which is another art form. However, Luis seems to automatically equate money-making with disingenuous manipulation for the purpose of making more money. That may be the case sometimes but sometimes is not always. Many musicians are artists and artists don't only make entirely commercial art, a lot of the time, artists speak their experiences through their artform. Artists should also get paid what they're worth like everyone else. Yes, it's also a business but it's a little cynical to automatically assume that no one is being genuine if money is involved. Sure, some ppl pick a cause to make them look good and to profit off of it. BTS and their money-making company don't tend to be among those. As E mentioned they're very philanthropic. What she didn't mention is that they usually don't publicise their donations. The media dig it up and report on it. It was discovered(i think a couple of yrs after) that BTS and their company had donated to a fund for the families of the students who died. Ok ok, last thought... Or three. I found it amusing that Luis used Fire as an example of a fun banger just to dance to. It is... But the lyrics, like most of their songs have substance, telling the youth to live their life the way they want to because it's theirs and not anyone else's. But like i said before, their songs are relatable to many, even ones who just want to dance to a banger. Things shrouded in symbolism is also part cultural. Asian cultures tend to be more poetic and often heavy on metaphor while North America tends to be more.... plain speaking. And lastly, the statement that some things don't have to be artistic or turned into art... Just because something doesn't have to be doesn't mean it can't be or shouldn't be. Imagine keeping art and social commentary separate! What is art if not a reflection of life? And how many of us would have known about the incident if they'd only made a statement instead of this song and MV? BTW, what are you guys gonna do with the 100$ he owes you? 😆
Interesting reaction. Firstly I feel that the guy went into the video holding a strong bias against bts. I didn't feel like he gave the video or the music a fair chance. There was a long debate about the video/visual story which he clearly didn't like. But he never even gave a chance to the music or the lyrics hence as a musician himself weren't those the areas the would notice first. Secondly being a musician himself what does he put out in his music or "art". I would love to check it out. Throughout history any era that was impacted by tragedy the people/artists of the era expressed their emotions through different mediums ( films,books,poetry, protests, music, paintings etc... Him saying that if they are so impacted by the injustice why not just say it rather making a song about it. When on the other hand he "critique" other artists for straight-up coming out in support of BLM as an act. My suggestion to give him another chance once he goes through all of these in depth comments. He should come back and have discussion about the answers Army gave to his questions/ "critique "
Idk if if anyone else spoke abt this, but BTS made this video especially difficult to understand bc of the political environment at the time in SK. At the time the government was honestly really corrupt and eventually the whole country protested and got their president impeached. But when this MV came out the government was LITERALLY black listing celebrities that spoke out abt this incident and LITERALLY had the news censor what actually happened and tried to let as little information out abt the issue as possible. It wasn’t until the issue got national press that families started to get some answers. BTS made the MV difficult to understand for their own protect but true to their nature, they still had the courage to speak out on behalf of those students.
Hi! So I know that now since I've watched the Italian Army explanation video and did some research since then. But at the time of this recording they all knew as much as I did at the time - only what was told to us in that 8 minute video. So we didn't know about the political climate and blacklisting etc. Nor did we know the sheer horror of hundreds of students drowning in a ferry ship while divers were blocked from rescuing them. So we had no idea the depth that this MV had or the risk they took for releasing it. So we may come across as ignorant or close minded or plain rude - but that's bc we didn't have all the facts. A lot of that is my fault for not doing proper research beforehand to inform them during the watch. The discussion probably would have gone in a completely different direction if they knew. I'll try to do better next time. - Editing Jo
@@k-popcrashcourse it is 100% okay, we (as an audience) can’t expect you guys to know EVERYTHING abt a tradgety that happened in another country (and the resulting political climate at the time). It’s fine to learn as you go, you’re only human after all 😂 I look forward to you guys learning more abt that time tho. In fact, another song they made directly calling out the politicians at the time (from the same album) is called “Am I Wrong.” I don’t think there’s a REALLY good explanation video abt it on YT but that is a song where they flat out quote and mock some of the sitting politicians at the time bc of what they were saying abt the Korean public. Bc that song was so blatant and they had the gall to perform it live…multiple times (the choreography also mocked the politicians) they truly almost got blacklisted for that song. You don’t have to do a reaction video to it but I suggest after listening to it (no MV) and watching a live performance you check out “dool set lyrics” it’s an ARMY lyric website for a bit of the political context. I’d recommend more stuff to learn abt it but a lot of it was linked on twt and that account has since been suspended. Edit: I found one of the links discussing both Spring Day and Am I Wrong (in relation to the politics): muish.wordpress.com/2016/10/23/bts-am-i-wrong-english-translation-and-ramblings/
Yeah his points are fair...he just didn't know much about bts in particular therefore critiquing from the point of ignorance based on general knowledge, I'm sure any newish army can easily relate because we all had same assumptions (me especially in particular as an Asian know exactly what he is talking about and had all his assumption at 1000%) but I was wrong and my sis is right, they got so big because they are genuine, the more I tried to prove her wrong the more I found out she was right. At 42 of age and 1.5 years since I heard first of their song, I am convinced BTS are actually still way underrated while at same time atleast 9/10 people in the world think they are overrated. The only other thing is in a similar position that I can use as example is Tesla (and I had bet every single spare dollar I have on that which worked out amazingly so far). If you know you know if you don't well good luck.
Giving a critique means you analyze the story - he wasnt taking it seriously in the first place, so why does he think we'll take his "critique" seriously.
Likening them to Back Street Boys or any regular money-making Boyband is just sacrilege. Yes, some "artists" in the music industry would take advantage of unfortunate events or profit off cultures by incorporating them into their "art" to make it a selling point but this isn't the case here. He's totally biased because BTS is famous and their company is making lots of money. However, he doesn't understand that BTS members were risking their career for the sake of meaningful "art" and how their sincerity in their craft is what got them their current success. BTS stands for 방 탄 소 년 단 *B* ang *T* an *S* onyeondan which means *Bulletproof Boyscouts* in *Korean* They used to be mocked for this name, even in South Korea. This name signifies the group's desire "to block out stereotypes, criticisms, and expectations that aim on adolescents like bullets" If you explored BTS' discography further, you'll notice that BTS make songs with strong social messages that touch on subjects such as mental health, social injustices, prejudice, self reflection, development and self love. Throughout their career, they *consistently* made the subjects mentioned relevant and amplified through *their own music.* They've always used their influence for the better. I.e. making fans donate to charities in their name during their birthdays, raising awareness about social issues that are seen as taboo etc. Their "art" taught me many things, their music and lyrics saved me and many others who thought they wouldn't wanna live anymore. Also, no one can beat BTS' work ethic. BTS train like athletes. They practice their choreographies 12-16 hrs *daily* (they have lots of intense choreographies to remember) and singing on treadmills. Afterwards, they move on to produce music until dawn despite their hectic schedule. *"Instead of worrying about loosing their fame, fans and money like other celebrities, BTS were worrying about loosing their passion and love for music"* - _reference from their song, Black Swan_ It's a big mistake to compare BTS to One Direction or any Western boyband because their standards are way too high. No one grinds harder or does it like BTS.
Y’all need to react to the documentary’s on BTS then you will understand where their coming from! The Asian Theory The Most Beautiful Life 2921 update X Celeste - Nobodies to Legends, This is BTS Army, This is BTS /Introduction, BTS Hardships! This will help you to go along way into understanding the love that ARMY has for all seven of the boys!!
He was so ignorant. I'm not even a fan of BTS but this song hits me so hard. Because i was digging on the case and paid attention to Sewol tragedy. The girl had said it all, they didn't know. You could take a quick research, in the middle but he just said whatever he want. Even when in the video said, the kids were told to stay instead of evacuated, the ship crew left. And he ask what injustice? I hope he had kid and they didn't understand and were following the instructions :) Imagine the heart-breaks as a parent.
@@flovonnejohnson707 Hi! We have plans on watching both introduction videos from Ida S and XCeleste along with the Hardship video. There's just a lot of content to get through so it'll take us some time. As for Luis, he was a guest and so he most likely won't be watching it with us. But we'll pass on the video suggestions to him. I know he comes off a certain way - it just takes time to learn something new/different. And BTS is definitely something completely different from western artists. Hopefully over time, if he gives it a chance, he'll learn to love them. - Editing Jo
Based on the my fellow ARMY in the comments said, i better not watch this. Not because of the those reactors opinions n their own biases but as army , I encountered to many “western views “ on their biases toward kpop /BTS in the internet.. im tired to see that everyday. But I believe my fellow army will educate them enough. Good luck ARMY👍🏽🙏🏽
First of all the song is basically about missing someone and I think the song conveyed the message successfully. Nice heated discussion. But that is life, to be fair, we usually react first based on our own understanding, history, and context. Hope he has the chance to watch the introduction of BTS by XCeleste to appreciate BiG Hit more as a corporation and BTS for their values.
Hi! Thanks so much for understanding and showing grace to someone who is new to BTS and knew nothing of the Sewol Ferry tragedy. Tbh, none of us really knew the gravity of it but he was speaking from his own understanding and knowledge. It just takes time to learn more. We'll make sure to pass all the video suggestions over to him - I definitely think he'd be fan if he knew more about the band members and their discography. They're kind of amazing like that and hopefully these few songs we did with him will open him up to a new world of music. Thanks for watching and sticking around for our heated discussion haha. The video we drop tomorrow kind of goes into it again, just on a different topic. But the one after that will be more fun and chill. - Editing Jo
Hi! Thanks for the recommendation! I'll let Luis know since he was guest on our channel. I watched the Italian Army explanation video a few days ago and it definitely helped me understand the weight of the whole situation along with the risk they took in making the song/MV. I kind of wish I had that info when we first did the reaction - our discussion might've looked different if we knew all that beforehand. But at least now we can educate ourselves some more about it. - Editing Jo
He’s saying all this stuff without knowing what they did, who they are, what the situation is. He called it lame because of what he’s used to in the western world. This song wasn’t just to get popular or for show and i think that’s what he’s saying which makes it wrong. Who hurt this man lol But what if you showed them: bapsae, magic shop, blue and grey, outro: tear, or something fun like 2021 festa?
That's my fault - I hadn't watched the Italian Army explanation video until after this was recorded. I probably would have made them watch that one and/or would be able to explain better the situation and the risk it was to release that MV. I had no idea the conversation would go the way that it did. But yeah - straight up SOBBING when I watched the Italian Army one. - Editing Jo
I teared up for his honesty, I've heard others criticize the MV before but it really makes sense. I'm a bit frustrated he doesn't know a thing about it. But with an upset heart, I found myself learning things too. But as an ARMY that journeyed with BTS for 6 years now, I'm still protective of them. I hope you also understand our passion to defend them. Hoping we all met half-way and understand each other and be really nice to each other. It's enough for us for others outside the fandom to understand what is the platform of BTS and ARMYs, what is their message through their music and the contents they produce and share to the world, are trying to convey to the world. This growing pains hurts so much but let's continue to support each other :) Thanks for Luis' honesty, fist bump man! E and Chey, borahae!! You two rock ;) thanks for what you did hehe And to Editor Jo... I salute to you and for your patience HAHAHA. And thank you for your hard work
Hi! Thank you so much for your kind words and encouragement and most importantly, your understanding. I posted this video over a year ago and I still get angry comments from time to time. So your response was really heartwarming to receive. Sometimes I think about taking the video down because of how intense the it is and how Luis comes across in it. He didn’t have all the info and that’s how a lot of people are, uninformed. And so the discussion is important to have and the reaction is just that - a reaction. I understand why a lot of people get upset watching this video, we’re all protective of BTS. But we also have to do our part to educate people along the way. I’m still learning myself. That’s what this channel is all about - I love sharing this world with others. I just hope I’m better prepared next time for stuff like this. But then again, you just never know where the conversations go sometime. Thx for watching. 💜💜🤍🤍 - Editing Jo
BTW they are not back street boy I like them when I was a kid but I’m now a 40 yo women and the substance and lyricism that BTS brings you are insulting them for comparing to Back street boy sorry not sorry
30:34 Considering the freedom the CEO gave them at the time and the fact that they had no money. It's extremely genuine.they still release music for free for fans.they do livestreams and variety shows that the fans can watch FOR FREE. They donate without it being known..... I get what you're saying but I still think he's seeing it t from where they are now. And is looking at them with an american lense.they own a percentage of the company.........
Thank you for sharing the explanation video and the discussion afterwards. Myself, as a Black American and BTS ARMY since 2018 (BTS debut was 2013 ), I feel that BTS and HYBE (aka Big Hit) have challenged the norm and opened the world’s eyes with their thought provoking lyrics, their amazing MV storytelling and charitable donations to comfort and inspire a generation whose voices are often not heard. Yes it is a business but that doesn’t mean that what they put out to the world doesn’t have meaning behind it , as well as profit. I highly suggest watching the Italian Army Spring Day explanation video which goes into more detail and reason why this song and video really is a sense of comfort to South Korea regarding that tragedy. Also please realize that American Culture is not the only culture out there. We all think and express ourselves differently in the world however just because you (the guy in the reaction) did not understand it doesn’t mean that the symbolism was lost on other cultures who did. Making assumptions without understanding the full story is really unfortunate because you miss out on so much compassion, internal growth, changes in the government and the courage that took place after this tragedy. And one more thing, the Asian actor in the clip from Snowpiercer in the explanation video is Song Kang-Ho and was not in Squid Game. Lee Jung-Jae is the lead actor in Squid Game. Just like all black people do not look alike, all Asians do not look alike either.
He obviously does not know how to appreciate art in its purest forms. Perhaps due to his distinct journeys in life, his pessimism and negativity has taken over his mindset when relating to things and people. His wisdom could be deemed deep through his own life experiences, but then again, wisdom is ever expansive and infinite, and so his interpretations can be accepted only at the superficial level. The complexities of good music cannot be described or understood in one sitting of listening. BTS are not just singers and performers. They are artists who present music to the world that no one else could/can. At their whims, through their own reflections and intuitions, they write lyrics and music in collaboration with other artists/producers to uplift and expand perceptions for the meaning of life and love for oneself and for others. BTS is not just a social phenomenon, but has become, with ARMY, a social movement, for social change.
Yeah ... he was. But he eventually came around towards the end. It just took some talking to! Lots of patience and some talking to. Believe me, I was fuming from behind the camera haha. But once he found out more about why they hid their messaging, it made him like them more. Sometimes people just don't have all the information. We just gotta help them along the way. Eventually they'll warm up to BTS! - Editing Jo
spring day never left korean chart since the day it was release until now cuz Korean understands the beauty and the meaning of this song!! as for the explanation, ever since their debut they used a lot of symbolism that's why armys grew sus in every little thing we see in the mvs or concepts photos or everything related to them! and bts are aware of it and used it to be connected with us more and like what I said! they make songs that everyone can enjoy but only armys can understand! this case/ tragedy were downplay by SK gov. where ppl can get blocked listed if they talked and support it that's why ppl don't publicly talk abt it back in the days! mind you few years ago some of the band members and their CEO went to the victims "sneakly" to help them, one of the family of the victims reveled it when the situation got better. gladly sk president were dethroned and now we're here! aside from they're musicians so it's understandable that they'll use their platform to speak about it!
His opinion is so westernized that it's killing me. If he was truly open minded then he would have had the knowledge to say "i don't have enough information so I'm not going to make assumptions" but he did the exact opposite. And the North Korea comment really rubbed me the wrong way. It would be similar to me being an artist and doing a song about COVID and someone told me "hey why don't you just focus on police brutality because you're black." There are probably endless political and social issues in SK, like any other country, and to boil it down to the North Korean conflict is so ignorant I'm sorry. No hate to your friend, but I also really hope the comment about whether or not SK has trains was a joke, i honestly just couldn't tell once that was topped off with the later comments. If he actually wants to learn more about the band and why you like them he has to be open to viewing things objectively and taking your words as credible instead of the star blinded fans he seems to think we all are. We know they have a huge team behind them, executing their ideas flawlessly, and that team is also a huge reason for their success. I'm not sure what your reaction plans are for the group, but for his own benefit i think you should show him some type of behind the scenes of their process. Maybe one of RM's vlives where he goes in depth about the making of the albums or maybe just one of their more personal songs so he starts to see them as real people with input in their craft.
The NK comment really irritated me -- this person who says "well when you put yourself out there" you should expect all sorts of comments, well there's constructive criticism and straight out being disrespectful -- i apologize if this is mean but the first word that came to mind about that guy is "Loser!" -- ive never seen anyone disregard the lost of lives with such disrespect. The other comments had already pointed out he didnt have enough information about the subject -- i bet he would be singing a different song if his family was one of the passengers that perished. He just made me so mad. I did love the ladies, he just really infuriated me.
many ppl got in the gov.'s blacklist because they speak against the gov and president who acted blind in that incident. BTS couldve gotten in that blacklist too but they still risked it all and makes the mv and music undirectly potraying to them. Thankfully they didnt got blacklisted. Bts have been donating and supporting to the sewol ferry victim's families.
So this is the first video from you that I watch, but I don't think I can go until the end... but that's just me, this tragedy and this song makes me too emotional and I just can't hear someone say it is hypocritical of BTS to stand up for people who don't have a voice. But these debate should be happening and I am sure someone with a stronger mind and less emotionally involved could reach him and actually explain the situation.
At the end he explains he didn’t understand and he likes and respects them more now that he has all the information. He said he dislikes how sometimes artists use public tragedy to their monetary and public advantage. But it was explained at the end why they did this and he admitted he was wrong.
I totally understand - no worries. That's why I wanted to give everyone a heads up because I know how protective ARMY is. I wanted to protect you guys too! I definitely wasn't expecting our discussion to go in that direction at all but I'm glad that he eventually came around at the end as to why the message was hidden and that they didn't do it for personal gains. Sometimes it just takes time for people to change the way they think about things. We all have to be patient with each other and help them along the way. Thank you anyways! Feel free to check out our other videos! Both E + Chey love BTS and it's been fun taking them through this journey. Although the video we're dropping tomorrow will have some deep discussions again. Not as rough as this one but still a little tough. But the rest of the videos are fun! - Editing Jo
@@k-popcrashcourse Thank you for replying, I understand that it's important to be a little skeptical and a little critical about someone else intentions when tackling various sensitive subjects, and I can totally put myself in his shoes. And, after leaving this comment, I watched your first video reacting to BTS, and I really enjoyed it, I will definitely watch more reactions!
I'm mexican and in a country that has so many political issues, you know that you can't talk about things without being punished. So, I understand this.
I hope he reads all the comments. At least he finally admitted at the end, after his rant and after the explanation of why the video was made this way, that he was uninformed/ignorant. I like how he was freely allowed to dig himself into that hole.
The choose the symbolism because they could have been blacklisted like many other artist who tried to speak out about the events that happened. He was talking about how they choose this tragedy over “what is going on between south and north Korea” and i have to say I have taken many history classes and am currently studying east asian culture and from my point of view the only reason north and south Korea haven’t been unified yet is because so much time has passed. Kinda like having a fight with your best friend in middle school and not talking for years until high school graduation and you suddenly think maybe i should talk them but too much time has passed so you hesitate. Anyway this even was important enough the citizens impeached their president. There are other reason why this is super important but that is what came out of these events.
Thanks for reacting. Don't be discouraged by hurtful comments some ARMY will give. I love the girl in the beanie. I tried to focus on her comments. I think she got it. No hate to the other two but she got it. I don't think he understood speaking about government was not as easy as it is today. This song was a huge deal. I would encourage them to watch the Italian Explanation. Warning to the lady in the beanie...bring tissues. You'll actually see where the inspiration came from.
Thank you so much for your kind words! And for just understanding and having patience with someone who just doesn't understand. It takes time! Hopefully we can have Luis back on the channel for us to watch the Italian Army one. If not, we'll still pass the recommended vids on to him just because. Thanks! - Editing Jo
Bapsae, Ugh, Spine breaker are very good and they talk about social issues. Magic shop, Love yourself, The Last, Moonchild, and many more have saved lives literally.
We're going to get to Baepsae, Ugh, Spine Breaker (all with DKDKTV Explanation Videos) along with Ddaeng. I'll make note of the rest and try to add it to the mix. Thanks for the recs.
@@k-popcrashcourse I also suggest Paldogangsan along with the DKDKTV explanation video, since the conflict with North Korea was specifically mentioned in this video. I appreciate the honesty of the reaction and the debate. I think it's worth noting a couple of things. 1) BTS did privately donate to and visit/burn incense with the families of the Sewol Ferry Disaster victims back in 2014 (it was only revealed years later when the name BTS unexpectedly came up during a reporter's interviews with families of the victims). 2) Yes, they work with a lot of people to refine the messages they put out in the world, but I don't think that's necessarily a bad thing. Personally, if I was going to address an extremely sensitive issue I would actively seek out as much feedback as possible. In the behind the scenes vlog of their process for developing their pandemic album "BE," after RM brought up "Life Goes On" as a possible theme for the album's lead single, Jimin warned that they would need to be really careful, because a sentiment like that could be hurtful even with the best intentions if not executed well. When BTS decides to put out a song to comfort people, they want to make sure it actually achieves its purpose and doesn't just rub salt in the wounds. 3) I think it's worth noting how the song was received by people with more context. Spring Day has not left the charts in South Korea since it's release and is the longest charting song of all-time on Korea's leading streaming service by a wide margin. It is still charting on Melon to this day, 5 years later.
Tell your friend to learn the culture, he seemed very ignorant of other cultures. Seriously people died, respect that. I doesn't matter about borders, if something happens good or bad just respect. I'm sorry but I don't like your friend, he seemed to smile all the way through the video, no respect there for me but the other ladies seemed all right. First time here watching and not sure if I should watch again.
I am watching this reaction a year later than its posted day, and I still have to say that... I'm sorry, but he missed the entire point and purpose of Spring Day. The song was and still is a gift from BTS to the people who were or felt affected by the Sewol tragedy. To this day, it still remains on the musical charts and stands relevant. It's meant to be a song about hope and new beginnings, while not forgetting about loved ones, regardless of what theme or subject someone might link to its lyrics. Its message is universal and at the same time subtly plays tribute to a horrible incident for Korea, which IS the group's home country. That is what music does and represents for people. It's an aid and tool to transmit what sometimes plain standard words cannot. Now... about the money-making cooperation machine... yes they are artists, of course they do and SHOULD profit from their art, no matter what that is, and so should their company, to be able to put out more music and more art, and in that process offer people and families jobs who have careers in that field. Businesses and corporations house the income source of thousands of people and families in any industry, lets not forget that. However, it is ignorant and almost vicious to claim that the song and video were crafted on purpose solely for profiting, without really knowing any true information of how it came to be, nor knowing about the origins and struggles of the group themselves AND their company. Without knowing their constant philanthropic and non-profit support throughout the years, both in Korean and globally, and without knowing or having been exposed to more of their music and lyrical messages. I do understand where his perspective may be coming from, due to lack of exposure, BUT that is exactly why such one off opinions are invalid for me, because they are obsolete, biased and crippling. As BTS' original formed company's motto said... "Music and Artists for Healing". Music is the art of healing. That is what Spring Day embodies, and I am sorry he could not comprehend that.
Thank you so much for your thought out response and the willingness to hear him fully out (not just him but all three reactors and me behind the camera). To this day, even a year after posting this, I still get comments on this video and sometimes it’s very heated and mean. And other times it’s with understanding and disappointment. Thank you for being the latter. As for Luis, he at this point was only exposed to three BTS songs and he had almost zero knowledge on the band or k-pop in general, let alone a tragedy that happened elsewhere in the world. What all three guests do have is a thorough knowledge of the WESTERN music industry - and even though they shouldn’t paint one in light of the other - they spoke from their unique experience. I’ve done reactions for the past years with a number of guests and tbh you never know how people are going to respond to something. This, unfortunately, is how the discussion turned out last year. And I know that Chey and Luis probably don’t think much about it these days. And Elaine, when she was alive, really did enjoy the song. I personally love the song. And am always trying to educate people on the background of the song beforehand so that people don’t get the impression. Thanks again. I hope you had a chance to check out some of our other videos. Not all of them are like this. Maybe a couple other controversial ones but the rest are good. That’s genuine reactions though. Not everyone is going to like everything you put in front of them. - Editing Jo
I’m sad that some people who claim to love music went into it with bias. Understandably I probably would do the same if somebody somebody say that this “foreign boy group” is this big deal! But anyway this is my first negative comment about a BTS reaction video in 3 years. Not sure how many BTS video that he has heard but I’m pretty upset I’m sorry
I really appreciate people who don’t feel the need to just love things because it’s popular. So kudos to him for being very honest. However, I think to claim that this video was a money making effort when it impacted the entire country and caused so much pain through everyone. She had a good point about when groups start out it’s a lot about making money, because it is. When BTS started they really played into the persona of bad boys, and I think as they grew they started to make music and talk about things they truly care about. So while it is about making money, they are just fortunate that the very way they express their values and bring awareness to important things is the same way they bring in money. The other thing I thought about is to say that some people just want to listen to music to listen and have a good time. Some other people want to listen to music for the message and the hidden messages. So, no hate to this man he seems nice. But it feels a bit hypocritical to diss the video because some people want to just listen to listen, but not address that some people do enjoy hidden meanings and symbolism. But in the end, it was interesting to hear the perspective of people who don’t know exactly what has happened and why things are the way they are. And in the end, it did turn out to be a misunderstanding. A lot of the people in the comment section don’t seem to have made it to the end, because then they would reach the point when the crucial piece of info is revealed and the misunderstanding is resolved
Thank you so much for the kindness and grace that you have for us and our guests in this video!! I knew it was going to be controversial when we posted this but I wasn’t expecting the floodgates of comments. A lot of which were very heated, rightfully so. But comments like yours is refreshing and gives me hope for the rest of ARMY. Thank you for watching through the end and giving time and space to hear everyone out. They all have different perspectives about it and very limited knowledge about BTS and k-pop in general, what they do know is the music industry really well since they’re all steeped within that world. So they’re speaking from what they know about the WESTERN music industry. Which is unfair for the judgments made against a band from a different country that’s in a slightly different industry about another country’s tragedy. There’s just a lot of different factors that people didn’t take the time to understand let alone get to the end of the video to listen. But yeah, big misunderstanding. He didn’t have all the information. I didn’t do well to brief them on it at the time, which is a failure on my part as the PD. But it made for interesting dialogue. It’s very real, very honest reactions and that’s how we roll. Anyways, thanks for watching!! We made a response video back then in case you want to watch that as well: ruclips.net/video/lR9zeZiF9oA/видео.html Hope you stick around and watch some of our other videos! - Editing Jo
@@k-popcrashcourse it’s always a conflicting battle being an army. Sometimes I love it and sometimes I’m very embarrassed by the way other people react and fans that think people can only love bts. But I enjoy hearing conversation, it’s the only way things can be understood or changed. But major kudos to you and everyone in the video for not only having an open conversation, but to put up with all these comments written by people who are blind to how words can affect people and who clearly didn’t watch the whole video.
They said it was an injustice because of how media and the government handled it. Children were still alive when authorities arrived and they made no moves to save them, stopped local fishermen and parents from saving their children and then lied about it to the GP. The deaths 100% could've been prevented from the captain of the boat right down to the coast guard so injustice is the right word.
Thanks for reaction. So I’m older Korean American who used to think that wtf idol singers from Korea gonna do? BTS is not kpop because of Bang PD had a lot of people told him he wouldn’t make it. BTS is still and probably never become corporate like 7 members. Oh yeah big hit and Hybe will do what they have to do make money. Money is not everything but money is THE thing can make difference in the world and immediately around us. I would’ve never thought understanding these young men who sincerely love their music and their own lives changed my attitude towards society and world. I’ve been US corporate world and I also was in corporate Korea for 6yrs there. I had very small hopes for our young generation and future of humanity in general. I’ve changed my immediate surroundings with my friends to help kids in need of second chance we provide for them. We are doing this because I got the idea after seeing BTS and listening to their cry in their music. They are influencing people around the world to do the right thing and make our world better place. Yeah it’s unbelievable but that’s what happening as of right now and have been. 27 to 28% ARMY are over 40’s like myself. What age demographic is that people all over the world over 40’s? We are THE GROUP of people running the world. If we can have non prejudice heart & view on our surroundings we can change our world almost immediately because we are financially most stable age, still not too old, in important position with power and most of us know influential friends who can pretty much can do anything and everything to change the world for better place. Sorry for long comment. I don’t know 100% sure if BTS members are real great people but as far as I’ve been looking at them since 2014 no one can lie and fake their true intentions for this long if their intention was bad. There won’t be another BTS from Korea this is pretty much one special group of artist. It’s true because there was only one Beatles.
damn i used to think like this before (like the guy)... but look at me know... i never regret giving bts a chance.... I've been a fan for 5 years now.... u just need to be open minded, know their personalities... i think there's something holding him back that's why he thinks like that.... im just sad that this is the reality cuz most people think like him..... he just needs time...
Oh that's encouraging! And I totally agree - it just takes time and some digging into their music/discography etc. The more you get to know them the more it's easy to fall in love with them. I think a lot of people, especially those in the US, have a preconceived idea of what BTS/K-Pop is and they just need help along the way to discover how amazing they are (and hilarious!). It's an ongoing thing but we're here to learn more and introduce them to whoever we can! - Editing Jo
You should look up what went wrong in the fairy of South Korea and you’ll understand the injustice that the captain got out first before the students and that they’re rich and the title got out before the students and the students were calling your parents same question I do and some of the parents were like listen to your teacher listen to this and they only took out what was private so that’s what you’re talking about the injustice
I lost brain cells half way through this. He had the audacity to speak on a tragedy he has no clue about and say all this bullshit 😂 I’m open to peoples opinion about a song and if they like or dislike it, but the audacity to speak about a tragedy that took the lives of many and some are still not over said tragedy is embarrassing. Hope I’m the 8 months or so since this has come out he has learned otherwise he’s gonna have a rough time in life with that mindset.
Hi! Thanks for taking the time to watch our video and sorry that it took away brain cells!! That was totally not my intention - this whole reaction was so not what I expected. And nothing could’ve prepared me for what he said or any of the backlash that came after. I don’t know Luis personally (he was a friend of E + Chey) and so I wish I could give you an update on this after I make him watch some more explanation videos and/or BTS introduction videos. But that’s not the case. 😔😔 Even though we introduce people to k-pop on this channel, it’s hard to keep prejudices and assumptions out of the way at times. A few video reactions isn’t enough to give people a broad scope of the industry, the depth of the lyrics, and the work ethic and character of some of favorite bands. Hopefully this will change or at least do some good for those we bring on. Anyways, thanks for watching! And I hope you tried a few other vids with other guests. 💜💜☺️☺️ - Editing Jo
The man's perspective is very western. No understanding of the fact that artists in oppressive countries can't "just say it" or they will be persecuted. Often times the only outlet for the pain they feel is through symbolism in art. This tragedy reminds me a lot of one that happened in my own home country and, believe me, if any artist called out the government for it publically they would be jailed, tortured, or murdered. Everyone has the right to an opinion but his is lacking an understanding of the context of life in those counties.
I know this video is old, but if you all haven't yet, maybe do a "re-group" using the Italian ARMY explanation? I think they all would get it a LOT more. Him pointing out "Why not just say it?" As you mentioned, they COULDN'T "just say it"...that 10,000 person blacklist of celebs who actively spoke out about it was enough to scare others from doing so. They *had* to be "sneaky" and use symbolism to represent everything so they didn't land on that massive list. How can you talk when your mouth is - essentially - covered in duct tape? To me, honestly, the making of the MV is even MORE impressive. How much research went into the planning of the video to include ALL of the references they did use? Snowpiercer, Omela's, Little Match Girl, and more... News reports falsely claiming that all of the students were rescued. Korean society as a whole where children are taught pretty much at birth to not just "respect" their elders, but "do as your elders say" - which also includes those of higher "rank" than you as well, thus, the captain and crew - which is the main reason many students (and adults alike) didn't leave their cabins. VERY few of the passengers were brave enough to defy that order. No, it wasn't a "request" for them to stay where they were. No, it wasn't a "suggestion" for everyone to stay in their cabins. It was an ORDER. All the corruption and deceit. The illegal modifications to the ship. The excessive weight. Going even deeper than any video I have yet to see... The NUMBERS - 476 on board. 306 died. That was almost 65%! 5 bodies have still not been recovered to this day. Several volunteers and professional rescue operators committed su*c*de after the event because they had so many nightmares of hearing the screams of those they couldn't - WEREN'T ALLOWED - to rescue. The vice-principal of the school also committed su*c*de - survivor's guilt is difficult to deal with, even with the best therapist. South Korea - as a whole/in general - is still kind of in the dark ages about mental health. The entire crew, save three - and several political figures - were arrested and charged with various crimes concerning the tragedy and beyond. MANY of those verdicts were overturned. Only in ONE case (the captain) did that ruling give somewhat proper justice. The captain's sentence went from 36 years in prison originally but was changed to life in prison for his actions. I think it's law in most countries, the captain stays with the ship, no matter what. He was one of the first rescued, thus leaving so many to die instead of helping them, as he was legally bound to do. ALL of the rest of the crew got lesser sentences when their verdicts were overturned, except 3. The 3 crew members who didn't get jail time? They avoided it...because they were the ONLY three crew members who were brave enough to do their job - that is, try to rescue passengers. Sadly, all three of those crew members went down with the ship. The only reason most passengers survived? They put on life vests they managed to find and floated to the surface once they realized what was really happening. Side Note: South Korea is a peninsula. Surrounded by water on 3 sides, yet still only around 30% of the population know how to swim. Thus, even in the BEST of weather conditions, the likelihood of more survivors still wouldn't have been much higher since the Coast Guard waited so long to even start rescue missions and volunteer rescuers were being turned away, with some of them even being arrested for trying to help. This whole thing is just...it hurts. Almost 10 years after the tragedy, it's still just as painful, and I've never even been to South Korea, let alone lost anyone to the tragedy. I am JUST old enough that I DO remember news reports here in the U.S. about it, though.
Hmm.. I have thought about my previous comment and decided to delete it. I'll just say it shortly: BTS will surprise him. All I ask is for Luis to try keep an open mind and consider that they might not be an artist that fits into preconceived ideas/stereotypes. I think he'll find that he shares a lot more values with them than he thinks.
Thank you for being patient with Luis and helping us along the way! It means so much that ARMY has been so gracious with him considering it's something so sensitive. That's one thing I've always appreciated about this fanbase, they're all about educating those who may not have all the information. We ended up doing two more BTS songs with him after this one. Not sure if he kept listening or dug more into their music. But I'm sure he'd become a fan if he did. It's sort of inevitable ☺️☺️
@@k-popcrashcourse Haha yeah! Just like Yoongi said. If you listen with an unprejudiced mind then you'll come to like us. I agree. And it helps that you're there to say "well, that's not really accurate" or "that doesn't apply to BTS" or "well actually".... you get it. His general concerns/thoughts are valid... there just kinda misplaced on BTS. He'll see if if he does some research :-)
If he knew about the tragedy, then he would understand…but the fact that he knows he doesn’t know the whole story and still feels like it’s he’s right, is what’s irritating! An opinion is one think, but his declarations that these are fact when he doesn’t know that to be true makes it no longer an ‘opinion ‘! It’s not for BTS to explain the tragedy - it’s for them to get people interested and they can ldo their own research! People want to be spoon fed everything! There is not one single BTS song that doesn’t have a message or a purpose! It would have been better had he asked ‘what injustices were they referring to?!’ Rather than insisting the tragedy wasn’t injustice! Without going into the whole story - the reason over 200 people died is because the Korean government failed to respond the way they were supposed to and then tried to cover it up and when outside sources tried to help, the government blocked them because they didn’t want it to be discovered that they fckd up! They lied to the families and the public and the media assisted them in the cover up! There’s so much to this story…but it wasn’t hard to decipher is because we already knew about the tragedy! And then he said - why is this the message, especially with everything going on with N.Korea…does he think every day is a fight and battle with with N.Korea?! That is over a century long struggle that’s not changing - we live every day in Korea just fine; there’s nothing that can be done with N.Korea and that’s what the government is for! He also needs to stop saying ‘we’..the purpose is to teach, so others will be inspired to do their own learn! RM uses Jung, Herman Hesse, and other authors works in their songs to inspire and instigate knowledge! His words are very ignorant for someone who doesn’t know anything about them and be convinced he knows exactly what they are! Their company wasn’t big enough for them to be a ‘machine’ when they came out - they were very under staffed and at the verge of bankruptcy, so the members were very responsible for alot of their own content - there weren’t enough people for them to be ‘run’ in that way and the fact he keeps saying ‘probably’ shows he doesn’t know! He needs to preface his comments with ‘I think’ cause he doesn’t know! They were in fact the only group the company had…
All I can say to Luis is, OPINIONS ARE DIFFERENT FROM IGNORANCE AND PREJUDICE. So no, this is not about him sharing his thoughts, his thoughts are not thoughts but Ignorance and prejudice and partly racism towards Asians and gaslighting the victim. May he find peace in his life living with such mindset.
I think it's also worth mentioning that BTS strives to represent the voices of the youth. If you look at their story that's the foundation for which the group was formed. Bang Si-Hyuk wanted a group that the youth could look up to and grow with. The song and the video are a testament to that. The tragedy affected young people, students, and the song and the video convey what those survivors were feeling in the wake of the tragedy.
He is just uneducated about BTS and their culture...we should not be offended. This is a learning experience...sometimes we all just need a little time to have an open mind.
Thank you so much for understanding! It definitely took me time to learn more about the band and the way they do things. It wasn't until then (after the lyric breakdowns and watching docuseries) that I really came to respect them as artists. He just wasn't there yet. I'm sure after a few more MV's and some digging, he'd come to really like them. - Editing Jo
I mean…technically you have every right to be offended… especially the way he downplayed the tragedy….Even though he was making me so mad..I know he’s uneducated with the Korea as a whole and K-pop.
Everything bts touches becomes gold, every reactions about bts in every youtube channels , gain subscriptions,,, And yet the guy says its lame, even though its from a fanmade perspective😄maybe you need to introduce him their biography ,,discography ,, their struggles their achievements 😃, and soooooo on .. BTW, it's his opinion😄✌✌✌✌
This is why I prefer the Italian ARMY Spring Day explanation because it gave more context regarding what went down the Sewol Ferry Tragedy. People who spoke up about this issue were blacklisted by the Korean government before. It wasn't simply an accident as the victims were practically sacrificed by the people in power in an attempt to bury their corrupt practices. This song has been a source of hope to a lot of people that it hasn't left the Korean chart since its release. There is hypocrisy and then there is standing up against oppression. Knowing the difference between the two requires setting aside biases. An opinion based on little knowledge is not a criticism but a prejudice. If you aspire to be a reactor, then I encourage you to do your research because you can't always use ignorance as an excuse.
So basically what I’m getting in his own perspective or opinion of Spring Day or BTS’ music in general should be all in your face kind of stuff and shouldn’t have any symbolic explanation or interpretation coz otherwise BTS are just sort of or literally using or exploiting the tragedy and all other social injustices and all the important issues in life that BTS’ has talked, expressed and conveyed in their music? That BTS shouldn’t have gotten inspiration or drive in writing their songs from tragedies, social injustices, economic crisis, everyday life situations and struggles because at the end of the day, BTS just want to make money and not really helping anyone through their depression and struggles and not really giving inspiration or mental and emotional support through their music and content like the ARMYs all over the world are saying based on their personal experiences with learning and knowing about BTS and their music? That Big Hit with the company mission statement “Music and Artists for Healing” doesn’t really mean anything. That BTS doesn’t really care about their ARMYs and those people who cannot speak for themselves? And that the people like us who believes that BTS is trying to help in making the world a better place to live in are just delusional or blinded by the charisma and influence of BTS from which struggles as a group that came from a near bankruptcy small agency and only had the chance to debut because they had to fill in on a spot that became vacant in a music show? That despite with the music nowadays are selling in digital forms? BTS’ album with no bundles are selling like “hotcakes” in millions and outselling every artist in the world and breaking historical records within the industry, within their country and as Asians? And breaking their own record over and over again? And despite being the most famous and most successful band or group or artists alive in the world, they release numbers of albums or songs for free as gifts to their fans even though ARMYs would still buy those albums if BTS would sell it? Yup, he’s a critic alright and a very negative and hypocrite one. But it’s just my opinion of him based on the words that came out of his mouth on this video. And by putting himself out here, he’s opening himself up to criticism… right? I think people like him will never like BTS coz he already had his opinion on them fixed, which is “BTS make music to make money, period!” Right? smh Also, I’m not hating on him and what I said above were my own opinion. Yes, I don’t agree with everything he said but I understood where he’s at and yes he upsets me because I’m a BTS ARMY. He’s entitled to his own opinion so no hate for him on my side. I actually felt sad for him coz he misunderstood BTS in that manner.✌🏻 P.S. Have you watched the more elaborate explanation video about the Ferry accident? You should watch it with them so that the injustice, irresponsible behavior of the authorities and neglect that happened during that time would be best explained with all of you so that you would understand why RM write Spring Day and why Spring Day despite being released in 2017 is still in the Music Chart until now in South Korea… coz Koreans find it very beautiful and could relate to the message and emotions of the song more personally than us.
Haha! You're one of the few that liked it! There have been a lot upset ARMY out there so I've been doing some damage control. But there are a handful of people who appreciate the different viewpoint. So thanks for sticking around through the discussion! - Editing Jo
Thank you so much for your kindness and understanding. Sorry it’s taken me awhile to respond but I wanted to just say that your comment meant a lot to me. Even to this day I still get some comments on this video that are not so kind, so it’s refreshing to run across someone who gave a little bit of grace to our guests. I’ve introduced all sorts of k-pop to people on this channel and sometimes you just never know how they’ll respond. So this is as real and honest and genuine as you’ll get. Thanks for watching. I hope you’re able to check out some of our other videos. 🙏🏼🙏🏼💜💜 - Editing Jo
Yeah, he meant it as a joke. I'm glad you got that. This reaction can be a little controversial for a lot of ARMY, so I'm not sure if you made it to the end of the video. But hopefully Luis didn't make you too mad. It takes awhile for people to take things seriously some times but he eventually got there. Thanks for watching! - Editing Jo
@@k-popcrashcourse the way he said it was hilarious like a little child that doesn’t know anything about the world but their surroundings. These types of people are just entertaining in general to me, it’s like watching a freak show in mid 80’s truly fascinating.
@@user-zp4de5lq9i haha well that's kind of what it was like! I'm glad you find it entertaining - most people weren't exactly as patient or kind with him. But yeah, it was kind of like a freak show / train wreck. But it made for an interesting watch!
Sorry I mean the Italian Army did an explanation he should see it and see the whole thing of what was going on that caused that tragedy it was not just an accident
Hi. We know ... and we apologize for the things he says and for the fact this video offends many people. He didn't have all the information and was making judgments based on his own experiences working in the US music industry. So the things he says aren't about BTS per se, but about US businesses and music labels. We made a response video here, in case you want to watch it: ruclips.net/video/lR9zeZiF9oA/видео.html He does eventually understand toward the end of the video why BTS had to hide the meaning of the song. And at that point he says it makes him like them even more. Thanks for watching. Hopefully it's not the only video of ours that you watch. He was just a guest and we have a ton of other great reactions with other k-pop newbies. Again, I apologize for Luis' words. He didn't have all the information and that's my fault as the producer. I had no idea the discussion would turn out this way and didn't mean for it to be offensive for anyone. - Editing Jo
Dont make it into an art piece............. Boy.... He has so much to learn... Western perspectives is really different from eastern perspectives. Thats okay, I know a lot of people who had a lot of preconceived notions and were kind of boxed in , after discovering BTS their world views has really broadened and life in general.
Idk...im not sure what to say..i dont want to be disrespectful....knowing the gravity of this tragedy- the political repercussions that resulted from this tragedy and risk BTS took to be black balled by the govt for even speaking abt tragedy hence the symbolism....i understand his perspective but it just comes across as disrespectful of the passing of young children and the agony the parents felt for losing their unexpectedly and unnecessarily...just saying....whatever
They couldn't talk openly about the tragedy because Korean government was involved and there was a blacklist of people, artists and reporters who talked about it. And it had to be talked about this because of the injustice. This was BTS way of address it. And they were risking a lot. They weren't as famous as they are now. BTS made a secret donation for the victim's families. And it worked. The government was impeached for this. And BTS don't do things for money. They have a lot of songs for free on SoundCloud. They always write about important issues and they don't do it for money.
I just wanna say that BTS also donated secretly towards the family of the students, different projects. They are a sincere in all they do. Furthermore this was a tragedy. If they watch the Italian version he may understand the true magnitude of it all. What I found sad was his dismissive attitude to the deaths during the explanation he was bopping and joking. OK maybe not liking the MV is OK but not acknowledging the tragedy was annoying. BTS FOR EVER💜💜💜💜💜💜
Hi! Thanks for watching. I probably should have done a better job at briefing them as to what this MV was about or fill them in on what the Sewol Tragedy was - so that's my fault. But at the time, I hadn't even seen the Italian Army explanation video so I didn't know the whole magnitude of the event or what an injustice it was. So it's hard to gage how people will respond to things when they 1) don't have all the facts and 2) each have their own background and experience in life and/or the music industry. I'm sorry if this video made you upset or offended at all. I know he responded in a way that was very dismissive and ignorant but the Sewol Ferry Tragedy isn't common knowledge to most. And all those comments about hating artists who have to hide their messages, 1) he was talking specifically about US artists and 2) he didn't know at the time that people were banned from speaking about it. It wasn't until I filled him in at 35:35 that he understood why. It actually made him like them more. I know that this reaction video made a lot of people upset but we urge all our guests to be truthful. If they like it, they'll say so. If they don't - they have said so. And it's not going to appeal to everyone. Just be mindful that he didn't have all the facts and that he was speaking as someone who is deeply embedded in the music industry (he sees a LOT more behind the scenes than we do - so if he's speaking about the hypocrisy of some artists, I'm pretty he's speaking from experience). We have a response video here in case you want to check that out. His comments made a lot of people angry and so we had to say something in order for people understand and have patience with him and with us. ruclips.net/video/lR9zeZiF9oA/видео.html Thanks for watching! Feel free to check out our other videos - Luis was only a guest for a few of them. The others are pretty great! - Editing Jo
@@k-popcrashcourse I completely understand what you are saying. I was not unhappy about his dislike of the music video, that is allowed but at acknowledge the death of the students. That is what I found dismissive. He was too busy criticising the artist to gage any of the the tragic events. Very cold. Having said that l reacted in emotion and l commend you for further addressing the issue. Thank you. 'Let's never forget them'
He just doesn't understand. It wasn't only a tragedy. It WAS an injustice! They literally told the kids to stay in their rooms while the captain and staff escaped to safety. And then the press and government covered it up. If he knew the whole story, I think it would help him understand a little better. (He still may not appreciate it, but at least he would understand.)
The dude did a great job representing the ignorant people in society. Talking about symbolism. 😂 Great job! Love seeing all different point of view.
@@beluuzzz The whole purpose of this video is reaction and education. This is a REAL reaction from someone who works in the industry behind the scenes. He knows nothing of k-pop other than they are manufactured groups (which they are) He is learning that BTS is different, but he’s STILL learning. One thing I love about ARMY is that they love to teach and educate. This is a great opportunity to teach, share and explain. Do you want reactions to be censored so you only hear and see what you want to hear? That is also a form of ignorance. Let’s try to be a bit more gracious and open minded. BTS is awesome! Let’s show people why and be patient instead of cutting them off.
Hi! Thanks for appreciating all the different viewpoints. I think it makes for interesting discussion!
Yeah so there are a lot of people out there who just don't know much about BTS or K-Pop. And they might come with all sorts of assumptions based on what they know - and that's what happened here. Sometimes it just takes some patience and the willingness to help others along the way to understand 1) how amazing BTS is and 2) how complex and layered the Spring Day MV is. So it's not completely his fault for coming off that way - he just didn't have all the info.
Thanks for understanding and for sticking around for the convo! Another deep discussion video drops tomorrow so that'll be interesting. But the one after that will be a lot of fun.
- Editing Jo
@@EEBeyond He still assumes the worst which is quite ignorant. I've had friends and seen reactors who, like this dude, didn't know anything about kpop (except that they're manufacturer groups), but they didn't immediately assume the worst of them as human beings and artists.
These preconceived notions in his thinking are the problem (studies are abundant in regards to this). I've learned that the problem with holding preconceived notions as being true is that they can lead us to very negative and critical beliefs about others and that can affect our behaviors toward others.
This dude's behavior (though honest it lacked any or all tact) is a clear reflection of his cognitive bias and stereotyping. And please understand, that while being gracious might be easier for you because he is your friend, for viewers like us, it would naturally be received with a different sentiment.
And though most Army would make the decision to be gracious since OP kindly asked, that doesn't invalidate viewers feelings when they (with reasonable cause) first take offense to the dude's behavior and words.
I can't believe him asking "They have trains in Korea?" Believe or not Korea is the most technologically developed country. They have trains which run faster than the ones in US. Even the California governor went to Korea to adopt the Korean train and technology to bring US. Fastest wifi in the world, the most advanced 5Gs everywhere, the very best subway systems in the world, very advanced medical systems, and so on...
Just because BTS is labeled as a boyband and from Korea, people have prenotion about them and thinking rather very lightly without knowing them. That's my pet peeve. Also he is ignorant of other countries cultures and political situations. If BTS bluntly write what they want to express directly about any situations involving government especially this incident, they would be in Black list and that could been the end of their career at that time in Korea. They even risked their career and physically visited victims' families and donated $ and that was a big risk for them. Since then, they have a new leader for the country and political silent rules have changed and gained a lot more freedoms nowadays.
The train comment was a joke. He was trying to be funny.
@@nighthawk326 No, he looked serious until girls answered and shacking head as if they couldn't believe what they heard & finally laughed. Even if that was a joke, that was a downgrading stupid reaction and you know he had that kind of prenotion already exist in his head as if that country is primitive.
I would highly recommend they watch the explanation by Italian Army. That video goes into more detail that addresses most of the issues the guy had. I think if he had of seen that and understood that the government at the time was attempting to silence and even blacklist celebrities for speaking out he would understand that just making this song and video was a HUGE risk for BTS. The captain telling those kids to stay put and not evacuate, people desperately wanting to to to save those still alive and being stopped...this was a massive trauma for the entire country.
Yes he should watch it
Hi! Thanks for the suggestion! We're still learning so thank you for being gracious with us.
I personally just watched the Italian Army explanation video a few days ago and it wrecked me. The gravity of the whole situation is so heavy and wish I was more informed when I showed them the MV that day. I think the discussion would have looked very different if we had all the info. But I guess that's growing pains - especially when you're learning something completely new about a country that you know nothing about, let alone the history and the culture.
It takes time but we're all willing to learn more. I'll let the others know about the Italian Army explanation video. Thanks!
- Editing Jo
21:57
He really has no clue
Celebrities that tried to speak on this were shut down immediately. They had to do this is a clever way or it would have never made it.
The Kpop word/industry is completely different from western pop. Idols lose their career over rumors,dating scandals,if fans think they are being "lazy" on stage ect.
Even doing the little that they did was an EXTREME CAREER RISK
You are right about he has no clue about outside of US.
Well, his perspective was not communicated very well. He does not understand the hardships they have endured and continue to endure to this day. He does not understand the SK culture, and why BTS could not come out and specifically criticize the gov, so in a creative way they were able to communicate how they felt. BTS has worked their asses off to get where they are and their music and lyrics are powerful.
All businesses need to make a profit, but BTS likened to a money making machine? like backstreet boys? That was a poor analogy the only thing in common with the western boy bands of the past, is they were all boys. BTS is nothing like those groups. Except for the last few songs in English, which are very poppy, BTS has a message, (watch the live performance of “Magic Shop”, inspired by JK, to their fans), a positive message. That is why they have a very strong and loyal fan base.
Hi! Thanks for understanding - he came with very little knowledge of kpop and so he spoke from what he knew, the western music industry. We may know that BTS isn't like Backstreet Boys but he doesn't know that yet. Tbh that's probably what a lot of Americans think BTS is. It takes patience, kindness, and time to both teach and learn about who / why BTS is different than American boy bands. They're so much more bigger than that. With profound messages and INCREDIBLE music.
At the time of this recording he had only heard three BTS songs. So we all have to give him a little bit of a break since he didn't know. That's also one of the great things about this loyal fanbase - ARMY is really good about educating others in kindness. And for the most part, a lot of these comments have been that (with a few exceptions). So thank you for being gracious with us.
I'll add Magic Shop to the list of things to watch. Not sure if Luis will join us again but I'll pass the MV on to him regardless.
Thanks!
- Editing Jo
When this song came out, the government tried to hide this big incident and monitored and suppressed those who tried to reveal it. At the time BTS released this song, it was not a situation where they could make money with this song, but it was a very dangerous situation, and they even did that. It was accepted and published.
I watched the documentary on the fairy tragedy and what you don’t know is that 259 middle school kids died because they were told to stay in their cabins even as the fairy was sinking!! And the captain and the crew got off and left them there!! The president at that time tried to cover it up!! This happened in 2014 and this song is still charting in Korea today!! It was a massive tragedy!! They actually were able to get the phone of one of the students who was filming what was happening!! You can here how confused and scared they are, as they are being told to stay in their cabins!!
@@beluuzzz The whole purpose of this video is reaction and education. This is a REAL reaction from someone who works in the industry behind the scenes. He knows nothing of k-pop other than they are manufactured groups (which they are) He is learning that BTS is different, but he’s STILL learning. One thing I love about ARMY is that they love to teach and educate. This is a great opportunity to teach, share and explain. Do you want reactions to be censored so you only hear and see what you want to hear? That is also a form of ignorance. Let’s try to be a bit more gracious and open minded. BTS is awesome! Let’s show people why and be patient instead of cutting them off.
@@beluuzzz Why? They just don't understand everything... but they're not being rude or dismissive to BTS. They approached it with an open mind and they're actually trying to learn. ARMY should show a little grace and continue to support them while they explore the discography. Canceling people for having a different opinion than you is ridiculous.
@@Ali-OT7ARMY Thank you Ali! We're all trying to learn here and that takes time. For the most part, ARMY has been very kind to offer up more info and video suggestions. We really appreciate your patience and being gracious with us!
Hi! Thanks for letting us know. I actually watched the Italian Army explanation video about a week ago and seeing those clips of parents crying at the edge of the dock while their kids were inside drowning - that wrecked me. And it was clear to see the injustice that was blatantly there and the huge risk they took in releasing that song.
But at the time of this recording, none of us knew that. And it made us seem ignorant or closed-minded or whatnot. But that's because we didn't have all the facts. We're willing to change that, so please be patient with us. I love that ARMY has been so gracious and offering us ways to learn more about the both tragedy and the culture.
I'm sorry that I wasn't fully prepared when I first showed them this MV. I'll try to do better moving forward. Thanks!
- Editing Jo
@@k-popcrashcourse Could've given him some context. Do that more with the next vids.
I wanted to go into this with an open mind because I know they are still new but WOW.
Can you *please* get them to watch "What Went Wrong In The South Korean Ferry Disaster" by The New Yorker. I'm actually begging. The ignorance and plain awful comments made in this video is heartbreaking to listen to especially now, when one of the people largely responsible was pardoned just a few days ago.
Please excuse my english
Hi! Thank you for your video rec. I haven't seen the New Yorker video yet but I'll make it a priority to do so. And I'll make sure to pass the video along to the others. Luis was a guest on our channel so I don't think he'll be back anytime soon. But that shouldn't stop each one of us from watching the video and learning more about the entire situation.
Thank you for being patient with us! I know that ARMY is super protective and that this is a very sensitive topic and I want to treat it with the utmost respect. So please forgive us for any offense. We're still learning. And I hope after all this, we'll be better informed to share the MV and what it represents to others more properly.
- Editing Jo
Btw - your English is great!
He had a fair opinion but everyone has something that impacts them more than others. Especially when children are involved. Micheal Jackson focused on the environment, some focus on the drug epidemic. Art is about expression. Think of photographs of war. Someone got paid for that although it’s a horrible situation. But through their art medium they shared what was going on and informed the rest of us.
The song Spring Day is a hopeful song. The lyricism is beautiful and I think it was more a comfort song for the survivors. The beginning and throughout the MV focused on the feelings of the survivors i.e. guilt, confusion, numbness, loneliness, loss, anger, injustice etc, hence these are the feelings that represents winter. This song allows them to cope and be okay with moving on. I find it amazing how BTS actually thought about the survivors, usually the attention and emphasis is on who is to blame or who died and we all forget about those who have to live with the repercussions. Some wanted to commit suicide, some receiving therapy, some are demanding answers from the govt, some outcasted from society for actually surviving the tragedy, everyone is finding a way to cope. For them, winter comes more than once a year, but as the lyrics in the song mentions winter will pass and spring will come, so too will those happier days. This will be the constant cycle, this song is a reminder that no pain lasts forever.
RM once mentioned that if our pain was out of a scale of 100, if listening to their music could lessen the pain to 99, 98, 97, (just by a little) then their existence is enough. So although you may have believe they’re trying use this tragedy to gain profit, they’ve dedicated themselves to speaking up on behalf of their generation and leaving legacies for the next. Spring Day is a masterpiece, paying homage to the Sewol tragedy in the MV, allowing healing for the survivors and their families. BTS also fulfilled one of the wishes of the survivors, which was to not forget those who have died, this song since it’s release has not left the Korean top 50 charts.
Thank you for sharing!! Spring Day is a beautiful anthem and everyone should know fully how thoughtful and meaningful it is.
I did a poor job of informing my reactors of what it was about and so I’m sorry for the insensitive or offensive remarks - I feel that if he knew more information or knew the band more, he would have kinder words. But that’s what being part of ARMY is all about right? Helping educate others along while being protective at the same time.
Thank you for watching. And thank you for your grace and patience with us as we introduce our guests to k-pop. 💜💜🙏🏼🙏🏼
- Editing Jo
@@k-popcrashcourse No worries Jo! Everyone is allowed different perspectives and I did find their views interesting especially since they have industry experience. I had to watch the MV a few times to fully understand it because there were some scenes I couldn't figure out and other details that just skipped over my head. But that's the beauty about BTS, all the hidden Easter eggs that brings discussions.
Thanks for sharing their music and allowing these discussions to be had 💜
So this reaction may make most ARMY’s upset - and we totally get that. The discussion after the video gets very intense and so please be patient and show some grace to someone who is new to k-pop. All three reactors come from the music industry and they speak with that experience in mind. So they may not be fully in the know of where BTS comes from, how they write, and who their audience is. Let alone the history and tragedy of the Sewol Ferry accident. So please be kind in the comments. We’re all here to learn from each other. Thank you!
- Editing Jo
We got a million (angry) comments after posting this video and I have tried to reply to most of them. But to make things easier, Elaine and I made a response video to answer everyone's concerns. You can watch that video here: ruclips.net/video/lR9zeZiF9oA/видео.html
Thanks for your patience and understanding.
- Editing Jo
@@beluuzzz The whole purpose of this video is reaction and education. This is a REAL reaction from someone who works in the industry behind the scenes. He knows nothing of k-pop other than they are manufactured groups (which they are) He is learning that BTS is different, but he’s STILL learning. One thing I love about ARMY is that they love to teach and educate. This is a great opportunity to teach, share and explain. Do you want reactions to be censored so you only hear and see what you want to hear? That is also a form of ignorance. Let’s try to be a bit more gracious and open minded. BTS is awesome! Let’s show people why and be patient instead of cutting them off.
For his comment on comparing the injustice that this is to NORTH KOREA......dont you think it would be better spoken about by idk ...... A NORTH KOREAN?? 🤣🤣🤣🤣 not south koreans who haven't even done their military service yet. The knowledge they know about NK is what they learn in school about the past....doesnt do much good smh🤦🏾♀️
I'm tryna give him the benefit of the doubt here, I really am. But it seemed like the guy already came with a BIAS mindset and made a comment about something without cultural background. And in all actuality considering BTS came from nothing with a company going bankrupt I think they definitely have a right to speak,being a fan or not.hes judging them by what they are now not what they were even then,let alone in the beginning.
You should have him react to the Italian explanation. As well as the BTS HARDSHIPS 2013-2021 BY xceleste as well as this is BTS by xceleste
Im sorry but he is soooooo wrong!! He is looking at it from a "western" perspective and i wish one of them actually looked it up while sitting there. This was such a major tragedy that the President of Korea was ousted and people went to jail. His judgments are so far off and they chose to let their art speak to the tragedy. This was a tribute. And he has no clue the racism and Korean culture is very different....he is so closed minded and is exactly why ARMY protects them!!! Please don't bring him back!!!! And lastly as far as their "artistic freedom" THEY CALL THE SHOTS!!!!!
I think it will be better if you watched the other explanation of the Italian Army. It contains actual footages of the whole tragedy. This is a serious tragedy for their country, a lot died and mostly kids. Their President was ousted.
@@bmb1824 I wanted to rip him a new one too at first too. But as an American, I can tell u that un-humble self-righteousness is a very prototypical starting point. People can learn from it.
And about ARMY, we are not haters or crazy. I don't hate him for his opinion, mostly I'm sad because he is judging without knowing them. HYBE is a corporation and its job is to make money. But BTS has freedom to do what they want and to speak freely.
He was speaking from a very western POV because that's what he knows. He works in the music industry and sees a lot more than we do.
He doesn't know that HYBE and BTS is different. It takes time to learn these things.
- Editing Jo
i do understand where hes coming from and it kinda makes me sad that he has that automatic view that artists will deceive but bts have never been like that and i kinda wish people understood that bts is different from regular kpop and its not only about money for bts and bighit. sure that was part of it but they were doing this long before the checks were rolling in. other kpop groups may be about the money but bts was never like that. they risked being blacklisted many times not only for spring day but for am i wrong too and they always rose eyebrows with songs like gogo and baepsae etc
i also think they need to let go of western perspective because applying that to the east will automatically give you a biased view which then needs to be corrected when the expectations could just not be there from the start.
i think they should react to bts hardships 2013 - 2021 by xceleste so they can understand just how outcasted bts were and are to the point to them not caring about what others thought and needing to do things themselves like writing and producing cause they had to and cause they enjoyed it. bighit always wanted to change the industry and they did with bts. most of the rules and ways of kpop dont apply to bts because bang pd wanted them to be different and i understand besides from what they already know about western artists/groups plus what they probably have read about kpop by western media that theyre already fed a lot of wrong biased information but its still kinda frustrating having to explain and in a way convince people each time they learn about bts.
id also suggest reacting to the videos on bbygangs channel about bts and kpop in general and how western media distorts what kpop is even many kpop fans are misinformed about a lot of things. ill personally watch all the reactions to these videos cause like their perspective isnt completely wrong in all areas because it does apply to some groups/artists/labels in the kpop industry just not bts. (hope this all over the place comment makes some sense)
@@beluuzzz why? youre spamming this on every comment but not saying why.
I knew something was off when he said "Are there trains in Korea?" lol
That was totally a joke! He's real good friends with both E + Chey (they were all in a band together for years) and they've traveled the world. So they know that Korea has trains! That's also why they gave him that "you're an idiot look" haha.
HE JUST KEPT GOING 😂😂
Rest In Peace to that man, praying ARMYs let him live 😂🙏🏾💜 Loved the video and discussion nonetheless.
Hahaha ... idk if they will!
- Editing Jo
That’s what happens when people don’t understand the whole backstory. The interpretation has to be visible in their world. BTS created an outlet for us thru music. To know we are not alone. To be our voice. They are just like us despite the $ you think keeps them from being like us. Because of them there is a huge community of armies that have built supportive formats. This has raised the confidence and emotional support amongst everyone. They are much younger than me but I can tell you as a 54 year old mom I find their music pure and inspiring. I can dance and I can cry. Their music means more to me than so many artists here in the states. The more time you invest in getting to know them will help you to realize what genuine gentleman they are! I will be an ARMY for life. 🥰🥰
No reason for people to get mad, he said what he needed to say and he made valid points. (edit: also he did seem like he went into this reaction with a biased mindset, he already had a formed opinion which will never get anybody anywhere) But I will say BTS is deep, that's who they are regardless, most of their work has a plot line. There is literally a story line that goes throughout their music videos. But that's what us fans like, we like to analyze and figure out the story line & the members like when we do so.
BTS has always talked about the wrongs of South Korea, specifically their government. They address things people in Korea simply are too afraid to do so. They have songs like N.O. that addresses how terrible the Korean school system is, pushing kids to work and work without thinking about the long term. Another song Am I Wrong, which got them blacklisted by the government at one point also called out the government and how shitty it is and basically the entire time was saying, "you did all of these things, so am i wrong for how i feel or what i say".
Spring Day was to bring awareness to the situation, the Ferry accident wasn't covered how it was suppose to be and the government told all those survivors to forget about it, they wanted to bring awareness to the situation with this song, which they did and now this song is one of their most impact and still hasn't left Korean charts to this day, years after.
Obviously, you don't have to like these types of songs but I'm just saying BTS is a group who speaks about certain topics, some being really heavy topics, every song they have created since 2013 has a meaning. It's hard for newer fans to understand but the members have all been through their shares of hardships in the world and they bring light to those hardships, everyone has different focal points when creating music, this is an example of theirs.
@@beluuzzz The whole purpose of this video is reaction and education. This is a REAL reaction from someone who works in the industry behind the scenes. He knows nothing of k-pop other than they are manufactured groups (which they are) He is learning that BTS is different, but he’s STILL learning. One thing I love about ARMY is that they love to teach and educate. This is a great opportunity to teach, share and explain. Do you want reactions to be censored so you only hear and see what you want to hear? That is also a form of ignorance. Let’s try to be a bit more gracious and open minded. BTS is awesome! Let’s show people why and be patient instead of cutting them off.
Thanks for your patience and grace with us. We didn't have all the information at the time but we're hoping to be better at that moving forward. I think the more they learn about the band, their creative process, and what they're about from the core - they'll begin to understand why they are different from everyone else. It'll take some time. But slowly and surely, we're getting there.
- Editing Jo
Personal opinion here.. he doesn’t seem very open minded.
The whole purpose of reaction vids are about teaching and learning. But when you come into these close minded from the get go, why bother? If you don’t take the opportunity to learn about other cultures, no matter where you’re from, then you’ll always have closed minded opinions. “I bet you $100 bucks” Maybe he needs to learn about other cultures in his own country before trying to learn about other country’s. Btw, I’m not mad, just genuinely disappointed that in almost 2022, there’s still ppl like him out there. You ladies did a fabulous job, again, personal opinion,.. but if you continue to have him on your reactions, I won’t return.
I agree.
Although I am officially an ARMY, I don't understand how after being informed of a tragedy involving children [especially the number of causalities the moderator quoted to him] their demeanor toward the subject matter was not more serious and respectful.
I understand he had minimum context initially while reacting to the videos but I noticed that he laughed and had an indifferent demeanor even after being informed children died.
I like the reaction because it exposes what they have had to deal with the whole time. Some people just suddenly realized they're popular but didn't see the 16 hr days for years (since 2010) against these same knee jerk criticisms that got them to this point. Some people just want to go negative on something that's popular instead of considering why so many people of all demographics have come to love them.
The North Korea comment was so…American? Like, it took me years to learn this myself but to outsiders I’m sure the issue btw North Korea and South Korea is the biggest thing that should be on the minds of South Koreans
But in actuality, what I learned from South Koreans themselves is that they’re REALLY not worried abt North Korea. I remember a couple years back NK started testing their missiles again but SKs weren’t fazed saying “they do this every couple years”
There is nothing I’ve learned from my study of Korea or talks with Koreans to insinuate that they fear NK. Not anymore anyway. IN FACT, the majority of Korea just wants the 2 nations to reunify. And their current President has made great efforts to get closer to reunification.
So, I just thought that was interesting (if not a little disrespectful) bc here comes an American telling a Korean what “impactful” topic they should be making music abt, meanwhile Koreans silently underwent a mini revolution thanks to this tragedy. THATS why SK loves this song so much, and why it hasn’t fallen off the charts since it was released. It just felt very telling of how our worldviews impact our thought and speech of how other countries and ppl should behave.
I mean - yeah. In a lot of ways, Americans just don't know the history of other countries. And so a comment like that can come across very rude and/or ignorant - but tbh I personally don't know much about their war or border or viewpoints of north/south citizens. I mean, besides watching Crash Landing On You, idk what to think about North Korea either. So thanks for filling me in a bit bc I had no idea.
But as for that whole last paragraph - I completely agree with you. I felt like the comment was severely out of place and I knew the song meant a lot to the country. I know a lot of Americans can come off that way, but I think that's where we have to correct them. Lovingly (but firmly) correct them. Which by toll of all these comments, that is exactly what ARMY is doing.
Thanks for all your comments and watching the video all the way through. Sorry if the discussion caused any stress! Sometimes we just never know where it'll end up going. I definitely did not see it going this way so it was a learning curve for sure.
- Editing Jo
@@k-popcrashcourse it is totally fine, I mean I’m American too so I completely understood that it takes a lot for us to really learn how the rest of the world works and understand why they do what they do, bc America really doesn’t emphasize expanding your worldview in our education system. (Meanwhile, the rest of the world ALWAYS has to learn abt America and American news/pop culture).
I did stay until the end and really valued the entire discussion bc it told me so much abt America but also each of you guys individually. I’m not gonna psychoanalyze you guys in the comments but I’ve got a degree in psychology and pre-med so this discussion really catered to that part of my brain 😂😂.
All in all, thanks for putting this reaction out there and I hope (if you guys are still interested) you come to learn more abt BTS and the SK culture as a whole. I think the more you learn, the more you’ll realize why ARMY “idolize” BTS the way they do. They are very much the black sheep of their culture and industry and have always put themselves in harms way bc of it.
This song hasn't left charts since it release because it struck a chord with alot of people, this song comforted alot of people that were missing friends and loved ones.celebrities who tried to speak out about the sewol ferry tragedy was shut down, it was revealed by the victims families that in 2014 bts personally visited the families, donated 100 million won,burned incense and provided comfort for them, bts risked being blacklisted at that time. Bts has always spoke about important and serious matters and they do that using something they love and is passionate about, music, other than that they donate to various causes and do things like visting the victims families privately because it not about clout and money for them. Its sad that this man came into this with his mind already made up about bts and maybe things also should have been explained better, like what was happening with the government and citizens at that time and the sewol tragedy should have been explained fully. Songs like N.O., bapsae,am i wrong,paradise, even no more dream criticizes the government and pressures of society.
Poor guy, you could have given him a heads up before he dug himself into a hole 🤣 I really enjoyed he's point of view. Refreshing honesty from a reaction! I am looking forward more videos. I recommend some live performances.. we all know that BTS are amazing live 💜
I appreciate the honesty. I mean it shows the skepticism & subtle xenophobia BTS & ARMY are up against. People make immediate self-assured opinions based on biased presumptions without knowing a damn thing ... That's exactly what they've had to deal with their entire careers... Even now!
Hi! Thanks for empathizing with him ... as he dug himself into a hole haha! I honestly did not think the video reaction would go in that direction at all! I absolutely love Spring Day and was blindsided by his response. I just wasn't expecting that at all! I'm just glad he came around by the end.
I planned so many MV's for that session with him that day but we didn't even get to half of them because our discussions were so long! So no live performances with Luis. But we do have two more reaction videos with him. The one we drop tomorrow has another deep discussion but the one after that is fun.
Hopefully he'll watch more on his own and fall in love with the band. I think it's inevitable - they're amazing live and they're just the best ☺️
I really loved and appreciated the girl on the rights reaction! You can tell she had lots of empathy for the death of all the children, her crying is how the nation cried when it happened 💜💜
Yeah ... Elaine was bawling her eyes out. It's really sad!
I actually watched the Italian Army Explanation video a few days and I was a wreck. The sheer weight of the entire tragedy is so immense that I don't think we fully understood it when we recorded this reaction. I kind of wish we had the time to learn more before going into our deep discussion but I guess it's never too late to learn more and to empathize.
- Editing Jo
Loved the producers “I’m not done talking yet” 👏🏼👏🏼
Hahahaha! Well, I wasn't done talking yet!
- Editing Jo
The video has representations of the ferry incident that killed many. That is why this song was created. The laundry represents the clothes that were found and left in a pile in Korea. Many representations.
It’s hard to really comment on the video without knowing the tragic story. I see why it is confusing. The song is tragic but beautiful.
You guys are doing great by the way. I enjoy watching your reactions.
i only watched until , ' are there trains in korea?' . hey guy, where are you from? i know you will say its a joke. im not laughing. anyway, have a happy new year!
Sorry if you're getting this comment twice - I accidentally posted it from my personal RUclips account instead of the channel account. And apparently I copy/pasted incorrectly. But I'm going to try to remember what I said ...
Basically the comment about the trains was a joke and he knows that there are trains and other technologies in Korea. He has traveled the world and both E + Chey know that. That's why they gave him the "you're an idiot" look. But it's ok if you stopped watching there because you'd probably get real upset at the discussion afterward.
But if you do end up watching the video, please give Luis some time to figure things out. He does a great job at digging himself into a hole as the discussion progresses, mostly because he's talking from a very western outlook on the music industry. And so his comments aren't about BTS but mostly artists in general. But I think with some external processing and some discussion points, he eventually comes around and admits that he was wrong about things. By the time the fourth video posts (on Monday) his viewpoint on things will be different, it just seems like he doesn't get there but in reality it's only like 30 minutes later after a few other MV's.
So please excuse his dumb remarks or you can choose to not watch the videos. That's fine. There are some other reaction videos with just E + Chey that might be good to watch.
Hope that clears things up. And sorry for the double commenting!
- Editing Jo
@@k-popcrashcourse thanks for replying. its good to know. i might check out that 4th vid. enjoy your BTS journey!
You guys are right. I grew up right outside of Philly and I remember asking my parents why ppl threw their shoes up on the cable wires. My dad then told me it’s to symbolize that someone died there.
I usually saw a whole bunch of shoes in 1 location so now i know that means a bunch of ppl died there, usually to gang violence.
Now tell that man to give y’all $100 😂😂
I'm still waiting for the $100. Or at least for him to buy us some KBBQ! Haha!
- Editing Jo
@@k-popcrashcourse the LEAST he could do is pay for some KBBQ for y’all 😂😂💜
I think the one behind the cameras name is Jo? Can you do an introduction video to the boys like a kpop history or introduction video. Assumptions are fine but you gotta give accurate information after a while. He is generalizing too much. Kpop like every other industry is about money. Even non profit people work for money (they get funded through other means). But culture and history is important and assumptions become ignorance after a while when you don’t seek the facts.
Hi! So we have plans on doing both the Ida S and XCeleste intro videos along with the Hardships video. It'll just take time before we can get to everything - they just have so much content!
As for Luis, he was a guest for that day and came into it blindly. I wasn't expecting his reaction to be that way and so I wasn't prepared with all the info to fill him in with. I'm sorry about that. So his opinion was based on what he knew about the music industry here in the US and that's what painted his opinion. I'm sure if he took the time to learn more about BTS and the k-pop industry in general, he'd appreciate it more.
I just recently watched the Italian Army Explanation video and have plans on watching the New Yorker one too, that way I can be more prepared in the future when I talk to others about this song. Thanks for being patient with me. I'm still learning too.
- Editing Jo
The fact the time when the sewol tragedy happened. Gov of SK banned anyone who freely talks about it. And arts is always a way to talk about an issue. Like how here in PH when Spanish colonised us Filipino, one of our hero Dr. Jose Rizal used literature to called out the Spanish gov and woken the Filipino people that we are being slave in our own land.
He keep pushing the big corporation things when Spring day was released when BH was a small Company. My criticsm to him is stop generalising every artists just bec the people you met are all like that. His world view doesn't speak for everyone.
The guy also having his American mentality. In US you want in your face thing when here in Asian. It not really a thing if censorship is big here esp is SK.
PS. That dude is not giving a criticism at all bec again criticism means giving a well thought opinion to improve something that a person is well informed about what they criticisizing in this case he is being prejudice and basing his so called critism in his limited and ignorant point of view.
@@beluuzzz The whole purpose of this video is reaction and education. This is a REAL reaction from someone who works in the industry behind the scenes. He knows nothing of k-pop other than they are manufactured groups (which they are) He is learning that BTS is different, but he’s STILL learning. One thing I love about ARMY is that they love to teach and educate. This is a great opportunity to teach, share and explain. Do you want reactions to be censored so you only hear and see what you want to hear? That is also a form of ignorance. Let’s try to be a bit more gracious and open minded. BTS is awesome! Let’s show people why and be patient instead of cutting them off.
They can't opening speak about cuz the government was not blocking it they even get blacklisted by the government for donating money to the victims of the tragedy 💀💀of course you are free to your opinions im not going to jump your ass for having your opinions but it just hurts like hell hearing you say that they only doing for the money which is the last thing on their mind when they created this song this song is still charting in Korea after 4 years that says alot it is some sort of comfort for those parents that lost their child
no offense, but the guy really showed perfectly, how true the collocation :'' Ignorance is a bliss'' is. Anyways, shanti shanti shanti my friends.
Much like your vid, this ended up way longer than expected, oops!
I appreciate Luis' honesty though, as it's coming from an outside perspective, I feel like he could maybe hold off on the judging until he's gotten some of the details. Props to E, Chey and Jo for providing some of the background. I'm just gonna add a few more thoughts.
"Injustice" was the correct word. The school kids were told to stay in place on the illegally overly stacked sinking ferry by the capt. and crew for hours and there were plenty of chances to rescue them yet the authorities didn't and they stopped civilians from doing so. The gov't and media lied about what happened. The President was impeached afterward and it was found that she had a blacklist of artists and such.
Luis is correct that it's not just 7 guys, they are backed by a whole company. RM and SUGA wrote the song about missing friends. The MV was made about the ferry tragedy as blatantly as was possible back then. But the 7 guys have been allowed and encouraged to write music about subjects they're passionate about since the very beginning, though some songs are written about something specific but worded in a way so that as many ppl as possible can relate to it(ie. missing loved ones or even as a breakup song). Forgetting that they're backed by a company is disrespectful to all the behind the scenes ppl, like the ones who made the MV, which is another art form. However, Luis seems to automatically equate money-making with disingenuous manipulation for the purpose of making more money. That may be the case sometimes but sometimes is not always. Many musicians are artists and artists don't only make entirely commercial art, a lot of the time, artists speak their experiences through their artform. Artists should also get paid what they're worth like everyone else. Yes, it's also a business but it's a little cynical to automatically assume that no one is being genuine if money is involved. Sure, some ppl pick a cause to make them look good and to profit off of it. BTS and their money-making company don't tend to be among those. As E mentioned they're very philanthropic. What she didn't mention is that they usually don't publicise their donations. The media dig it up and report on it. It was discovered(i think a couple of yrs after) that BTS and their company had donated to a fund for the families of the students who died.
Ok ok, last thought... Or three. I found it amusing that Luis used Fire as an example of a fun banger just to dance to. It is... But the lyrics, like most of their songs have substance, telling the youth to live their life the way they want to because it's theirs and not anyone else's. But like i said before, their songs are relatable to many, even ones who just want to dance to a banger. Things shrouded in symbolism is also part cultural. Asian cultures tend to be more poetic and often heavy on metaphor while North America tends to be more.... plain speaking. And lastly, the statement that some things don't have to be artistic or turned into art... Just because something doesn't have to be doesn't mean it can't be or shouldn't be. Imagine keeping art and social commentary separate! What is art if not a reflection of life? And how many of us would have known about the incident if they'd only made a statement instead of this song and MV?
BTW, what are you guys gonna do with the 100$ he owes you? 😆
Interesting reaction.
Firstly I feel that the guy went into the video holding a strong bias against bts. I didn't feel like he gave the video or the music a fair chance. There was a long debate about the video/visual story which he clearly didn't like. But he never even gave a chance to the music or the lyrics hence as a musician himself weren't those the areas the would notice first.
Secondly being a musician himself what does he put out in his music or "art". I would love to check it out. Throughout history any era that was impacted by tragedy the people/artists of the era expressed their emotions through different mediums ( films,books,poetry, protests, music, paintings etc...
Him saying that if they are so impacted by the injustice why not just say it rather making a song about it. When on the other hand he "critique" other artists for straight-up coming out in support of BLM as an act.
My suggestion to give him another chance once he goes through all of these in depth comments. He should come back and have discussion about the answers Army gave to his questions/ "critique "
Idk if if anyone else spoke abt this, but BTS made this video especially difficult to understand bc of the political environment at the time in SK.
At the time the government was honestly really corrupt and eventually the whole country protested and got their president impeached. But when this MV came out the government was LITERALLY black listing celebrities that spoke out abt this incident and LITERALLY had the news censor what actually happened and tried to let as little information out abt the issue as possible. It wasn’t until the issue got national press that families started to get some answers.
BTS made the MV difficult to understand for their own protect but true to their nature, they still had the courage to speak out on behalf of those students.
Hi! So I know that now since I've watched the Italian Army explanation video and did some research since then. But at the time of this recording they all knew as much as I did at the time - only what was told to us in that 8 minute video. So we didn't know about the political climate and blacklisting etc. Nor did we know the sheer horror of hundreds of students drowning in a ferry ship while divers were blocked from rescuing them.
So we had no idea the depth that this MV had or the risk they took for releasing it. So we may come across as ignorant or close minded or plain rude - but that's bc we didn't have all the facts. A lot of that is my fault for not doing proper research beforehand to inform them during the watch. The discussion probably would have gone in a completely different direction if they knew. I'll try to do better next time.
- Editing Jo
@@k-popcrashcourse it is 100% okay, we (as an audience) can’t expect you guys to know EVERYTHING abt a tradgety that happened in another country (and the resulting political climate at the time). It’s fine to learn as you go, you’re only human after all 😂
I look forward to you guys learning more abt that time tho. In fact, another song they made directly calling out the politicians at the time (from the same album) is called “Am I Wrong.” I don’t think there’s a REALLY good explanation video abt it on YT but that is a song where they flat out quote and mock some of the sitting politicians at the time bc of what they were saying abt the Korean public. Bc that song was so blatant and they had the gall to perform it live…multiple times (the choreography also mocked the politicians) they truly almost got blacklisted for that song.
You don’t have to do a reaction video to it but I suggest after listening to it (no MV) and watching a live performance you check out “dool set lyrics” it’s an ARMY lyric website for a bit of the political context. I’d recommend more stuff to learn abt it but a lot of it was linked on twt and that account has since been suspended.
Edit: I found one of the links discussing both Spring Day and Am I Wrong (in relation to the politics): muish.wordpress.com/2016/10/23/bts-am-i-wrong-english-translation-and-ramblings/
Yeah his points are fair...he just didn't know much about bts in particular therefore critiquing from the point of ignorance based on general knowledge, I'm sure any newish army can easily relate because we all had same assumptions (me especially in particular as an Asian know exactly what he is talking about and had all his assumption at 1000%) but I was wrong and my sis is right, they got so big because they are genuine, the more I tried to prove her wrong the more I found out she was right. At 42 of age and 1.5 years since I heard first of their song, I am convinced BTS are actually still way underrated while at same time atleast 9/10 people in the world think they are overrated.
The only other thing is in a similar position that I can use as example is Tesla (and I had bet every single spare dollar I have on that which worked out amazingly so far). If you know you know if you don't well good luck.
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Dude just kept digging that hole deeper and deeper. Buried himself.
Giving a critique means you analyze the story - he wasnt taking it seriously in the first place, so why does he think we'll take his "critique" seriously.
Likening them to Back Street Boys or any regular money-making Boyband is just sacrilege. Yes, some "artists" in the music industry would take advantage of unfortunate events or profit off cultures by incorporating them into their "art" to make it a selling point but this isn't the case here.
He's totally biased because BTS is famous and their company is making lots of money. However, he doesn't understand that BTS members were risking their career for the sake of meaningful "art" and how their sincerity in their craft is what got them their current success.
BTS stands for
방 탄 소 년 단
*B* ang *T* an *S* onyeondan which means *Bulletproof Boyscouts* in *Korean*
They used to be mocked for this name, even in South Korea. This name signifies the group's desire "to block out stereotypes, criticisms, and expectations that aim on adolescents like bullets"
If you explored BTS' discography further, you'll notice that BTS make songs with strong social messages that touch on subjects such as mental health, social injustices, prejudice, self reflection, development and self love.
Throughout their career, they *consistently* made the subjects mentioned relevant and amplified through *their own music.*
They've always used their influence for the better. I.e. making fans donate to charities in their name during their birthdays, raising awareness about social issues that are seen as taboo etc.
Their "art" taught me many things, their music and lyrics saved me and many others who thought they wouldn't wanna live anymore.
Also, no one can beat BTS' work ethic. BTS train like athletes. They practice their choreographies 12-16 hrs *daily* (they have lots of intense choreographies to remember) and singing on treadmills. Afterwards, they move on to produce music until dawn despite their hectic schedule.
*"Instead of worrying about loosing their fame, fans and money like other celebrities, BTS were worrying about loosing their passion and love for music"* - _reference from their song, Black Swan_
It's a big mistake to compare BTS to One Direction or any Western boyband because their standards are way too high. No one grinds harder or does it like BTS.
never wanted to slap a guy this bad. peak ignorance.but there's so many people like him so ehh
Y’all need to react to the documentary’s on BTS then you will understand where their coming from!
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He was so ignorant. I'm not even a fan of BTS but this song hits me so hard. Because i was digging on the case and paid attention to Sewol tragedy. The girl had said it all, they didn't know. You could take a quick research, in the middle but he just said whatever he want.
Even when in the video said, the kids were told to stay instead of evacuated, the ship crew left.
And he ask what injustice? I hope he had kid and they didn't understand and were following the instructions :)
Imagine the heart-breaks as a parent.
dude is incredibly prejudiced and has such a self centered perspective
Hopefully if they watch stuff again it's a introduction video or a bts struggles video and it will open his mind
@@flovonnejohnson707 Hi! We have plans on watching both introduction videos from Ida S and XCeleste along with the Hardship video. There's just a lot of content to get through so it'll take us some time.
As for Luis, he was a guest and so he most likely won't be watching it with us. But we'll pass on the video suggestions to him. I know he comes off a certain way - it just takes time to learn something new/different. And BTS is definitely something completely different from western artists. Hopefully over time, if he gives it a chance, he'll learn to love them.
- Editing Jo
Based on the my fellow ARMY in the comments said, i better not watch this. Not because of the those reactors opinions n their own biases but as army , I encountered to many “western views “ on their biases toward kpop /BTS in the internet.. im tired to see that everyday. But I believe my fellow army will educate them enough. Good luck ARMY👍🏽🙏🏽
First of all the song is basically about missing someone and I think the song conveyed the message successfully. Nice heated discussion. But that is life, to be fair, we usually react first based on our own understanding, history, and context. Hope he has the chance to watch the introduction of BTS by XCeleste to appreciate BiG Hit more as a corporation and BTS for their values.
Hi! Thanks so much for understanding and showing grace to someone who is new to BTS and knew nothing of the Sewol Ferry tragedy. Tbh, none of us really knew the gravity of it but he was speaking from his own understanding and knowledge. It just takes time to learn more. We'll make sure to pass all the video suggestions over to him - I definitely think he'd be fan if he knew more about the band members and their discography. They're kind of amazing like that and hopefully these few songs we did with him will open him up to a new world of music.
Thanks for watching and sticking around for our heated discussion haha. The video we drop tomorrow kind of goes into it again, just on a different topic. But the one after that will be more fun and chill.
- Editing Jo
The MV explanation by Italian ARMY may help him to understand better and change his perspective. It is much more insightful.
Hi! Thanks for the recommendation! I'll let Luis know since he was guest on our channel. I watched the Italian Army explanation video a few days ago and it definitely helped me understand the weight of the whole situation along with the risk they took in making the song/MV. I kind of wish I had that info when we first did the reaction - our discussion might've looked different if we knew all that beforehand. But at least now we can educate ourselves some more about it.
- Editing Jo
He’s saying all this stuff without knowing what they did, who they are, what the situation is. He called it lame because of what he’s used to in the western world. This song wasn’t just to get popular or for show and i think that’s what he’s saying which makes it wrong. Who hurt this man lol
But what if you showed them: bapsae, magic shop, blue and grey, outro: tear, or something fun like 2021 festa?
I just really wish it was ItalianArmy's explanation video...I bet he would understand it better. And we all be sobbing together haha
That's my fault - I hadn't watched the Italian Army explanation video until after this was recorded. I probably would have made them watch that one and/or would be able to explain better the situation and the risk it was to release that MV. I had no idea the conversation would go the way that it did. But yeah - straight up SOBBING when I watched the Italian Army one.
- Editing Jo
I teared up for his honesty, I've heard others criticize the MV before but it really makes sense. I'm a bit frustrated he doesn't know a thing about it. But with an upset heart, I found myself learning things too. But as an ARMY that journeyed with BTS for 6 years now, I'm still protective of them. I hope you also understand our passion to defend them.
Hoping we all met half-way and understand each other and be really nice to each other. It's enough for us for others outside the fandom to understand what is the platform of BTS and ARMYs, what is their message through their music and the contents they produce and share to the world, are trying to convey to the world. This growing pains hurts so much but let's continue to support each other :)
Thanks for Luis' honesty, fist bump man!
E and Chey, borahae!! You two rock ;) thanks for what you did hehe
And to Editor Jo... I salute to you and for your patience HAHAHA. And thank you for your hard work
Hi! Thank you so much for your kind words and encouragement and most importantly, your understanding. I posted this video over a year ago and I still get angry comments from time to time. So your response was really heartwarming to receive.
Sometimes I think about taking the video down because of how intense the it is and how Luis comes across in it. He didn’t have all the info and that’s how a lot of people are, uninformed. And so the discussion is important to have and the reaction is just that - a reaction.
I understand why a lot of people get upset watching this video, we’re all protective of BTS. But we also have to do our part to educate people along the way. I’m still learning myself. That’s what this channel is all about - I love sharing this world with others. I just hope I’m better prepared next time for stuff like this. But then again, you just never know where the conversations go sometime.
Thx for watching. 💜💜🤍🤍
- Editing Jo
BTW they are not back street boy I like them when I was a kid but I’m now a 40 yo women and the substance and lyricism that BTS brings you are insulting them for comparing to Back street boy sorry not sorry
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Considering the freedom the CEO gave them at the time and the fact that they had no money. It's extremely genuine.they still release music for free for fans.they do livestreams and variety shows that the fans can watch FOR FREE. They donate without it being known..... I get what you're saying but I still think he's seeing it t from where they are now. And is looking at them with an american lense.they own a percentage of the company.........
Thank you for sharing the explanation video and the discussion afterwards. Myself, as a Black American and BTS ARMY since 2018 (BTS debut was 2013 ), I feel that BTS and HYBE (aka Big Hit) have challenged the norm and opened the world’s eyes with their thought provoking lyrics, their amazing MV storytelling and charitable donations to comfort and inspire a generation whose voices are often not heard. Yes it is a business but that doesn’t mean that what they put out to the world doesn’t have meaning behind it , as well as profit. I highly suggest watching the Italian Army Spring Day explanation video which goes into more detail and reason why this song and video really is a sense of comfort to South Korea regarding that tragedy. Also please realize that American Culture is not the only culture out there. We all think and express ourselves differently in the world however just because you (the guy in the reaction) did not understand it doesn’t mean that the symbolism was lost on other cultures who did. Making assumptions without understanding the full story is really unfortunate because you miss out on so much compassion, internal growth, changes in the government and the courage that took place after this tragedy. And one more thing, the Asian actor in the clip from Snowpiercer in the explanation video is Song Kang-Ho and was not in Squid Game. Lee Jung-Jae is the lead actor in Squid Game. Just like all black people do not look alike, all Asians do not look alike either.
He obviously does not know how to appreciate art in its purest forms. Perhaps due to his distinct journeys in life, his pessimism and negativity has taken over his mindset when relating to things and people. His wisdom could be deemed deep through his own life experiences, but then again, wisdom is ever expansive and infinite, and so his interpretations can be accepted only at the superficial level. The complexities of good music cannot be described or understood in one sitting of listening. BTS are not just singers and performers. They are artists who present music to the world that no one else could/can. At their whims, through their own reflections and intuitions, they write lyrics and music in collaboration with other artists/producers to uplift and expand perceptions for the meaning of life and love for oneself and for others. BTS is not just a social phenomenon, but has become, with ARMY, a social movement, for social change.
the guy is soooo close minded omfg
Yeah ... he was. But he eventually came around towards the end. It just took some talking to! Lots of patience and some talking to. Believe me, I was fuming from behind the camera haha. But once he found out more about why they hid their messaging, it made him like them more. Sometimes people just don't have all the information. We just gotta help them along the way. Eventually they'll warm up to BTS!
- Editing Jo
spring day never left korean chart since the day it was release until now cuz Korean understands the beauty and the meaning of this song!! as for the explanation, ever since their debut they used a lot of symbolism that's why armys grew sus in every little thing we see in the mvs or concepts photos or everything related to them! and bts are aware of it and used it to be connected with us more and like what I said! they make songs that everyone can enjoy but only armys can understand!
this case/ tragedy were downplay by SK gov. where ppl can get blocked listed if they talked and support it that's why ppl don't publicly talk abt it back in the days! mind you few years ago some of the band members and their CEO went to the victims "sneakly" to help them, one of the family of the victims reveled it when the situation got better. gladly sk president were dethroned and now we're here! aside from they're musicians so it's understandable that they'll use their platform to speak about it!
His opinion is so westernized that it's killing me. If he was truly open minded then he would have had the knowledge to say "i don't have enough information so I'm not going to make assumptions" but he did the exact opposite. And the North Korea comment really rubbed me the wrong way. It would be similar to me being an artist and doing a song about COVID and someone told me "hey why don't you just focus on police brutality because you're black." There are probably endless political and social issues in SK, like any other country, and to boil it down to the North Korean conflict is so ignorant I'm sorry. No hate to your friend, but I also really hope the comment about whether or not SK has trains was a joke, i honestly just couldn't tell once that was topped off with the later comments.
If he actually wants to learn more about the band and why you like them he has to be open to viewing things objectively and taking your words as credible instead of the star blinded fans he seems to think we all are. We know they have a huge team behind them, executing their ideas flawlessly, and that team is also a huge reason for their success.
I'm not sure what your reaction plans are for the group, but for his own benefit i think you should show him some type of behind the scenes of their process. Maybe one of RM's vlives where he goes in depth about the making of the albums or maybe just one of their more personal songs so he starts to see them as real people with input in their craft.
the NK comment threw me cause I was like "what does that have to do with something that happened in South Korea they are two different places"
@@maggiemccauslin1084 yeah it was very out of left field and in my opinion ruined the point he was trying to make
@@nickismith8611 agree
The NK comment really irritated me -- this person who says "well when you put yourself out there" you should expect all sorts of comments, well there's constructive criticism and straight out being disrespectful -- i apologize if this is mean but the first word that came to mind about that guy is "Loser!" -- ive never seen anyone disregard the lost of lives with such disrespect. The other comments had already pointed out he didnt have enough information about the subject -- i bet he would be singing a different song if his family was one of the passengers that perished. He just made me so mad. I did love the ladies, he just really infuriated me.
many ppl got in the gov.'s blacklist because they speak against the gov and president who acted blind in that incident. BTS couldve gotten in that blacklist too but they still risked it all and makes the mv and music undirectly potraying to them. Thankfully they didnt got blacklisted. Bts have been donating and supporting to the sewol ferry victim's families.
Love yourself
Something we're striving for everyday! And also my favorite album by BTS ... it's SO GOOD!
- Editing Jo
So this is the first video from you that I watch, but I don't think I can go until the end... but that's just me, this tragedy and this song makes me too emotional and I just can't hear someone say it is hypocritical of BTS to stand up for people who don't have a voice. But these debate should be happening and I am sure someone with a stronger mind and less emotionally involved could reach him and actually explain the situation.
At the end he explains he didn’t understand and he likes and respects them more now that he has all the information. He said he dislikes how sometimes artists use public tragedy to their monetary and public advantage. But it was explained at the end why they did this and he admitted he was wrong.
I totally understand - no worries. That's why I wanted to give everyone a heads up because I know how protective ARMY is. I wanted to protect you guys too! I definitely wasn't expecting our discussion to go in that direction at all but I'm glad that he eventually came around at the end as to why the message was hidden and that they didn't do it for personal gains. Sometimes it just takes time for people to change the way they think about things. We all have to be patient with each other and help them along the way.
Thank you anyways! Feel free to check out our other videos! Both E + Chey love BTS and it's been fun taking them through this journey. Although the video we're dropping tomorrow will have some deep discussions again. Not as rough as this one but still a little tough. But the rest of the videos are fun!
- Editing Jo
@@k-popcrashcourse Thank you for replying, I understand that it's important to be a little skeptical and a little critical about someone else intentions when tackling various sensitive subjects, and I can totally put myself in his shoes.
And, after leaving this comment, I watched your first video reacting to BTS, and I really enjoyed it, I will definitely watch more reactions!
I'm mexican and in a country that has so many political issues, you know that you can't talk about things without being punished. So, I understand this.
I hope he reads all the comments. At least he finally admitted at the end, after his rant and after the explanation of why the video was made this way, that he was uninformed/ignorant. I like how he was freely allowed to dig himself into that hole.
The choose the symbolism because they could have been blacklisted like many other artist who tried to speak out about the events that happened. He was talking about how they choose this tragedy over “what is going on between south and north Korea” and i have to say I have taken many history classes and am currently studying east asian culture and from my point of view the only reason north and south Korea haven’t been unified yet is because so much time has passed. Kinda like having a fight with your best friend in middle school and not talking for years until high school graduation and you suddenly think maybe i should talk them but too much time has passed so you hesitate. Anyway this even was important enough the citizens impeached their president. There are other reason why this is super important but that is what came out of these events.
Thanks for reacting. Don't be discouraged by hurtful comments some ARMY will give.
I love the girl in the beanie. I tried to focus on her comments. I think she got it.
No hate to the other two but she got it.
I don't think he understood speaking about government was not as easy as it is today. This song was a huge deal.
I would encourage them to watch the Italian Explanation. Warning to the lady in the beanie...bring tissues. You'll actually see where the inspiration came from.
Thank you so much for your kind words! And for just understanding and having patience with someone who just doesn't understand.
It takes time! Hopefully we can have Luis back on the channel for us to watch the Italian Army one. If not, we'll still pass the recommended vids on to him just because.
Thanks!
- Editing Jo
Bapsae, Ugh, Spine breaker are very good and they talk about social issues. Magic shop, Love yourself, The Last, Moonchild, and many more have saved lives literally.
We're going to get to Baepsae, Ugh, Spine Breaker (all with DKDKTV Explanation Videos) along with Ddaeng.
I'll make note of the rest and try to add it to the mix. Thanks for the recs.
@@k-popcrashcourse I also suggest Paldogangsan along with the DKDKTV explanation video, since the conflict with North Korea was specifically mentioned in this video.
I appreciate the honesty of the reaction and the debate. I think it's worth noting a couple of things. 1) BTS did privately donate to and visit/burn incense with the families of the Sewol Ferry Disaster victims back in 2014 (it was only revealed years later when the name BTS unexpectedly came up during a reporter's interviews with families of the victims). 2) Yes, they work with a lot of people to refine the messages they put out in the world, but I don't think that's necessarily a bad thing. Personally, if I was going to address an extremely sensitive issue I would actively seek out as much feedback as possible. In the behind the scenes vlog of their process for developing their pandemic album "BE," after RM brought up "Life Goes On" as a possible theme for the album's lead single, Jimin warned that they would need to be really careful, because a sentiment like that could be hurtful even with the best intentions if not executed well. When BTS decides to put out a song to comfort people, they want to make sure it actually achieves its purpose and doesn't just rub salt in the wounds. 3) I think it's worth noting how the song was received by people with more context. Spring Day has not left the charts in South Korea since it's release and is the longest charting song of all-time on Korea's leading streaming service by a wide margin. It is still charting on Melon to this day, 5 years later.
Tell your friend to learn the culture, he seemed very ignorant of other cultures. Seriously people died, respect that. I doesn't matter about borders, if something happens good or bad just respect. I'm sorry but I don't like your friend, he seemed to smile all the way through the video, no respect there for me but the other ladies seemed all right. First time here watching and not sure if I should watch again.
tsk tsk...hard to believe that this person works in the music industry... can't seem to think outside his little box
I am watching this reaction a year later than its posted day, and I still have to say that... I'm sorry, but he missed the entire point and purpose of Spring Day. The song was and still is a gift from BTS to the people who were or felt affected by the Sewol tragedy. To this day, it still remains on the musical charts and stands relevant. It's meant to be a song about hope and new beginnings, while not forgetting about loved ones, regardless of what theme or subject someone might link to its lyrics. Its message is universal and at the same time subtly plays tribute to a horrible incident for Korea, which IS the group's home country. That is what music does and represents for people. It's an aid and tool to transmit what sometimes plain standard words cannot. Now... about the money-making cooperation machine... yes they are artists, of course they do and SHOULD profit from their art, no matter what that is, and so should their company, to be able to put out more music and more art, and in that process offer people and families jobs who have careers in that field. Businesses and corporations house the income source of thousands of people and families in any industry, lets not forget that. However, it is ignorant and almost vicious to claim that the song and video were crafted on purpose solely for profiting, without really knowing any true information of how it came to be, nor knowing about the origins and struggles of the group themselves AND their company. Without knowing their constant philanthropic and non-profit support throughout the years, both in Korean and globally, and without knowing or having been exposed to more of their music and lyrical messages. I do understand where his perspective may be coming from, due to lack of exposure, BUT that is exactly why such one off opinions are invalid for me, because they are obsolete, biased and crippling. As BTS' original formed company's motto said... "Music and Artists for Healing". Music is the art of healing. That is what Spring Day embodies, and I am sorry he could not comprehend that.
Thank you so much for your thought out response and the willingness to hear him fully out (not just him but all three reactors and me behind the camera). To this day, even a year after posting this, I still get comments on this video and sometimes it’s very heated and mean. And other times it’s with understanding and disappointment. Thank you for being the latter.
As for Luis, he at this point was only exposed to three BTS songs and he had almost zero knowledge on the band or k-pop in general, let alone a tragedy that happened elsewhere in the world. What all three guests do have is a thorough knowledge of the WESTERN music industry - and even though they shouldn’t paint one in light of the other - they spoke from their unique experience.
I’ve done reactions for the past years with a number of guests and tbh you never know how people are going to respond to something. This, unfortunately, is how the discussion turned out last year. And I know that Chey and Luis probably don’t think much about it these days. And Elaine, when she was alive, really did enjoy the song.
I personally love the song. And am always trying to educate people on the background of the song beforehand so that people don’t get the impression.
Thanks again. I hope you had a chance to check out some of our other videos. Not all of them are like this. Maybe a couple other controversial ones but the rest are good. That’s genuine reactions though. Not everyone is going to like everything you put in front of them.
- Editing Jo
Ignorance has no excuses .
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People are making fun of this?? Wowwwwww
I’m sad that some people who claim to love music went into it with bias. Understandably I probably would do the same if somebody somebody say that this “foreign boy group” is this big deal! But anyway this is my first negative comment about a BTS reaction video in 3 years. Not sure how many BTS video that he has heard but I’m pretty upset I’m sorry
I really appreciate people who don’t feel the need to just love things because it’s popular. So kudos to him for being very honest.
However, I think to claim that this video was a money making effort when it impacted the entire country and caused so much pain through everyone. She had a good point about when groups start out it’s a lot about making money, because it is. When BTS started they really played into the persona of bad boys, and I think as they grew they started to make music and talk about things they truly care about. So while it is about making money, they are just fortunate that the very way they express their values and bring awareness to important things is the same way they bring in money.
The other thing I thought about is to say that some people just want to listen to music to listen and have a good time. Some other people want to listen to music for the message and the hidden messages. So, no hate to this man he seems nice. But it feels a bit hypocritical to diss the video because some people want to just listen to listen, but not address that some people do enjoy hidden meanings and symbolism.
But in the end, it was interesting to hear the perspective of people who don’t know exactly what has happened and why things are the way they are. And in the end, it did turn out to be a misunderstanding. A lot of the people in the comment section don’t seem to have made it to the end, because then they would reach the point when the crucial piece of info is revealed and the misunderstanding is resolved
Thank you so much for the kindness and grace that you have for us and our guests in this video!!
I knew it was going to be controversial when we posted this but I wasn’t expecting the floodgates of comments. A lot of which were very heated, rightfully so. But comments like yours is refreshing and gives me hope for the rest of ARMY.
Thank you for watching through the end and giving time and space to hear everyone out. They all have different perspectives about it and very limited knowledge about BTS and k-pop in general, what they do know is the music industry really well since they’re all steeped within that world. So they’re speaking from what they know about the WESTERN music industry. Which is unfair for the judgments made against a band from a different country that’s in a slightly different industry about another country’s tragedy.
There’s just a lot of different factors that people didn’t take the time to understand let alone get to the end of the video to listen. But yeah, big misunderstanding. He didn’t have all the information. I didn’t do well to brief them on it at the time, which is a failure on my part as the PD. But it made for interesting dialogue. It’s very real, very honest reactions and that’s how we roll.
Anyways, thanks for watching!! We made a response video back then in case you want to watch that as well: ruclips.net/video/lR9zeZiF9oA/видео.html
Hope you stick around and watch some of our other videos!
- Editing Jo
@@k-popcrashcourse it’s always a conflicting battle being an army. Sometimes I love it and sometimes I’m very embarrassed by the way other people react and fans that think people can only love bts. But I enjoy hearing conversation, it’s the only way things can be understood or changed.
But major kudos to you and everyone in the video for not only having an open conversation, but to put up with all these comments written by people who are blind to how words can affect people and who clearly didn’t watch the whole video.
They said it was an injustice because of how media and the government handled it. Children were still alive when authorities arrived and they made no moves to save them, stopped local fishermen and parents from saving their children and then lied about it to the GP. The deaths 100% could've been prevented from the captain of the boat right down to the coast guard so injustice is the right word.
Thanks for reaction. So I’m older Korean American who used to think that wtf idol singers from Korea gonna do? BTS is not kpop because of Bang PD had a lot of people told him he wouldn’t make it. BTS is still and probably never become corporate like 7 members. Oh yeah big hit and Hybe will do what they have to do make money. Money is not everything but money is THE thing can make difference in the world and immediately around us. I would’ve never thought understanding these young men who sincerely love their music and their own lives changed my attitude towards society and world. I’ve been US corporate world and I also was in corporate Korea for 6yrs there. I had very small hopes for our young generation and future of humanity in general. I’ve changed my immediate surroundings with my friends to help kids in need of second chance we provide for them. We are doing this because I got the idea after seeing BTS and listening to their cry in their music. They are influencing people around the world to do the right thing and make our world better place. Yeah it’s unbelievable but that’s what happening as of right now and have been. 27 to 28% ARMY are over 40’s like myself. What age demographic is that people all over the world over 40’s? We are THE GROUP of people running the world. If we can have non prejudice heart & view on our surroundings we can change our world almost immediately because we are financially most stable age, still not too old, in important position with power and most of us know influential friends who can pretty much can do anything and everything to change the world for better place. Sorry for long comment. I don’t know 100% sure if BTS members are real great people but as far as I’ve been looking at them since 2014 no one can lie and fake their true intentions for this long if their intention was bad. There won’t be another BTS from Korea this is pretty much one special group of artist. It’s true because there was only one Beatles.
damn i used to think like this before (like the guy)...
but look at me know... i never regret giving bts a chance.... I've been a fan for 5 years now....
u just need to be open minded, know their personalities... i think there's something holding him back that's why he thinks like that.... im just sad that this is the reality cuz most people think like him..... he just needs time...
Oh that's encouraging! And I totally agree - it just takes time and some digging into their music/discography etc. The more you get to know them the more it's easy to fall in love with them.
I think a lot of people, especially those in the US, have a preconceived idea of what BTS/K-Pop is and they just need help along the way to discover how amazing they are (and hilarious!). It's an ongoing thing but we're here to learn more and introduce them to whoever we can!
- Editing Jo
You should look up what went wrong in the fairy of South Korea and you’ll understand the injustice that the captain got out first before the students and that they’re rich and the title got out before the students and the students were calling your parents same question I do and some of the parents were like listen to your teacher listen to this and they only took out what was private so that’s what you’re talking about the injustice
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Everything get censored. Even showing smoking in a MV isn't allowed to be shows without censorship or age restriction
I lost brain cells half way through this. He had the audacity to speak on a tragedy he has no clue about and say all this bullshit 😂 I’m open to peoples opinion about a song and if they like or dislike it, but the audacity to speak about a tragedy that took the lives of many and some are still not over said tragedy is embarrassing. Hope I’m the 8 months or so since this has come out he has learned otherwise he’s gonna have a rough time in life with that mindset.
Hi! Thanks for taking the time to watch our video and sorry that it took away brain cells!! That was totally not my intention - this whole reaction was so not what I expected. And nothing could’ve prepared me for what he said or any of the backlash that came after. I don’t know Luis personally (he was a friend of E + Chey) and so I wish I could give you an update on this after I make him watch some more explanation videos and/or BTS introduction videos. But that’s not the case. 😔😔
Even though we introduce people to k-pop on this channel, it’s hard to keep prejudices and assumptions out of the way at times. A few video reactions isn’t enough to give people a broad scope of the industry, the depth of the lyrics, and the work ethic and character of some of favorite bands. Hopefully this will change or at least do some good for those we bring on.
Anyways, thanks for watching! And I hope you tried a few other vids with other guests. 💜💜☺️☺️
- Editing Jo
Woot! Woot! America represent!
The more you talk the more you expose yourself being...
The man's perspective is very western. No understanding of the fact that artists in oppressive countries can't "just say it" or they will be persecuted. Often times the only outlet for the pain they feel is through symbolism in art. This tragedy reminds me a lot of one that happened in my own home country and, believe me, if any artist called out the government for it publically they would be jailed, tortured, or murdered. Everyone has the right to an opinion but his is lacking an understanding of the context of life in those counties.
I think the MV should've been in a cemetery to be more appropriate.
Thanks Jo for being our voice. Happy Holidays.
I try my best! Thanks for watching!
- Editing Jo
I know this video is old, but if you all haven't yet, maybe do a "re-group" using the Italian ARMY explanation?
I think they all would get it a LOT more.
Him pointing out "Why not just say it?" As you mentioned, they COULDN'T "just say it"...that 10,000 person blacklist of celebs who actively spoke out about it was enough to scare others from doing so. They *had* to be "sneaky" and use symbolism to represent everything so they didn't land on that massive list. How can you talk when your mouth is - essentially - covered in duct tape? To me, honestly, the making of the MV is even MORE impressive. How much research went into the planning of the video to include ALL of the references they did use? Snowpiercer, Omela's, Little Match Girl, and more...
News reports falsely claiming that all of the students were rescued.
Korean society as a whole where children are taught pretty much at birth to not just "respect" their elders, but "do as your elders say" - which also includes those of higher "rank" than you as well, thus, the captain and crew - which is the main reason many students (and adults alike) didn't leave their cabins. VERY few of the passengers were brave enough to defy that order. No, it wasn't a "request" for them to stay where they were. No, it wasn't a "suggestion" for everyone to stay in their cabins. It was an ORDER.
All the corruption and deceit.
The illegal modifications to the ship.
The excessive weight.
Going even deeper than any video I have yet to see...
The NUMBERS -
476 on board.
306 died. That was almost 65%!
5 bodies have still not been recovered to this day.
Several volunteers and professional rescue operators committed su*c*de after the event because they had so many nightmares of hearing the screams of those they couldn't - WEREN'T ALLOWED - to rescue.
The vice-principal of the school also committed su*c*de - survivor's guilt is difficult to deal with, even with the best therapist. South Korea - as a whole/in general - is still kind of in the dark ages about mental health.
The entire crew, save three - and several political figures - were arrested and charged with various crimes concerning the tragedy and beyond.
MANY of those verdicts were overturned.
Only in ONE case (the captain) did that ruling give somewhat proper justice. The captain's sentence went from 36 years in prison originally but was changed to life in prison for his actions. I think it's law in most countries, the captain stays with the ship, no matter what. He was one of the first rescued, thus leaving so many to die instead of helping them, as he was legally bound to do.
ALL of the rest of the crew got lesser sentences when their verdicts were overturned, except 3.
The 3 crew members who didn't get jail time? They avoided it...because they were the ONLY three crew members who were brave enough to do their job - that is, try to rescue passengers. Sadly, all three of those crew members went down with the ship.
The only reason most passengers survived? They put on life vests they managed to find and floated to the surface once they realized what was really happening.
Side Note: South Korea is a peninsula. Surrounded by water on 3 sides, yet still only around 30% of the population know how to swim. Thus, even in the BEST of weather conditions, the likelihood of more survivors still wouldn't have been much higher since the Coast Guard waited so long to even start rescue missions and volunteer rescuers were being turned away, with some of them even being arrested for trying to help.
This whole thing is just...it hurts. Almost 10 years after the tragedy, it's still just as painful, and I've never even been to South Korea, let alone lost anyone to the tragedy. I am JUST old enough that I DO remember news reports here in the U.S. about it, though.
Hmm.. I have thought about my previous comment and decided to delete it. I'll just say it shortly: BTS will surprise him. All I ask is for Luis to try keep an open mind and consider that they might not be an artist that fits into preconceived ideas/stereotypes. I think he'll find that he shares a lot more values with them than he thinks.
Thank you for being patient with Luis and helping us along the way! It means so much that ARMY has been so gracious with him considering it's something so sensitive. That's one thing I've always appreciated about this fanbase, they're all about educating those who may not have all the information.
We ended up doing two more BTS songs with him after this one. Not sure if he kept listening or dug more into their music. But I'm sure he'd become a fan if he did. It's sort of inevitable ☺️☺️
@@k-popcrashcourse Haha yeah! Just like Yoongi said. If you listen with an unprejudiced mind then you'll come to like us.
I agree. And it helps that you're there to say "well, that's not really accurate" or "that doesn't apply to BTS" or "well actually".... you get it. His general concerns/thoughts are valid... there just kinda misplaced on BTS. He'll see if if he does some research :-)
Actually Suga and RM wrote this first without pressure from company.
If he knew about the tragedy, then he would understand…but the fact that he knows he doesn’t know the whole story and still feels like it’s he’s right, is what’s irritating! An opinion is one think, but his declarations that these are fact when he doesn’t know that to be true makes it no longer an ‘opinion ‘! It’s not for BTS to explain the tragedy - it’s for them to get people interested and they can ldo their own research! People want to be spoon fed everything! There is not one single BTS song that doesn’t have a message or a purpose! It would have been better had he asked ‘what injustices were they referring to?!’ Rather than insisting the tragedy wasn’t injustice! Without going into the whole story - the reason over 200 people died is because the Korean government failed to respond the way they were supposed to and then tried to cover it up and when outside sources tried to help, the government blocked them because they didn’t want it to be discovered that they fckd up! They lied to the families and the public and the media assisted them in the cover up! There’s so much to this story…but it wasn’t hard to decipher is because we already knew about the tragedy!
And then he said - why is this the message, especially with everything going on with N.Korea…does he think every day is a fight and battle with with N.Korea?! That is over a century long struggle that’s not changing - we live every day in Korea just fine; there’s nothing that can be done with N.Korea and that’s what the government is for! He also needs to stop saying ‘we’..the purpose is to teach, so others will be inspired to do their own learn! RM uses Jung, Herman Hesse, and other authors works in their songs to inspire and instigate knowledge!
His words are very ignorant for someone who doesn’t know anything about them and be convinced he knows exactly what they are!
Their company wasn’t big enough for them to be a ‘machine’ when they came out - they were very under staffed and at the verge of bankruptcy, so the members were very responsible for alot of their own content - there weren’t enough people for them to be ‘run’ in that way and the fact he keeps saying ‘probably’ shows he doesn’t know! He needs to preface his comments with ‘I think’ cause he doesn’t know! They were in fact the only group the company had…
He is trying way too hard too sound smart.. makes him look more ignorant every time he opens his mouth.
All I can say to Luis is, OPINIONS ARE DIFFERENT FROM IGNORANCE AND PREJUDICE. So no, this is not about him sharing his thoughts, his thoughts are not thoughts but Ignorance and prejudice and partly racism towards Asians and gaslighting the victim. May he find peace in his life living with such mindset.
I think it's also worth mentioning that BTS strives to represent the voices of the youth. If you look at their story that's the foundation for which the group was formed. Bang Si-Hyuk wanted a group that the youth could look up to and grow with. The song and the video are a testament to that. The tragedy affected young people, students, and the song and the video convey what those survivors were feeling in the wake of the tragedy.
He is just uneducated about BTS and their culture...we should not be offended. This is a learning experience...sometimes we all just need a little time to have an open mind.
Thank you so much for understanding! It definitely took me time to learn more about the band and the way they do things. It wasn't until then (after the lyric breakdowns and watching docuseries) that I really came to respect them as artists. He just wasn't there yet. I'm sure after a few more MV's and some digging, he'd come to really like them.
- Editing Jo
I mean…technically you have every right to be offended… especially the way he downplayed the tragedy….Even though he was making me so mad..I know he’s uneducated with the Korea as a whole and K-pop.
Everything bts touches becomes gold, every reactions about bts in every youtube channels , gain subscriptions,,,
And yet the guy says its lame, even though its from a fanmade perspective😄maybe you need to introduce him their biography ,,discography ,, their struggles their achievements 😃, and soooooo on ..
BTW, it's his opinion😄✌✌✌✌
This is why I prefer the Italian ARMY Spring Day explanation because it gave more context regarding what went down the Sewol Ferry Tragedy. People who spoke up about this issue were blacklisted by the Korean government before. It wasn't simply an accident as the victims were practically sacrificed by the people in power in an attempt to bury their corrupt practices. This song has been a source of hope to a lot of people that it hasn't left the Korean chart since its release.
There is hypocrisy and then there is standing up against oppression. Knowing the difference between the two requires setting aside biases. An opinion based on little knowledge is not a criticism but a prejudice. If you aspire to be a reactor, then I encourage you to do your research because you can't always use ignorance as an excuse.
So basically what I’m getting in his own perspective or opinion of Spring Day or BTS’ music in general should be all in your face kind of stuff and shouldn’t have any symbolic explanation or interpretation coz otherwise BTS are just sort of or literally using or exploiting the tragedy and all other social injustices and all the important issues in life that BTS’ has talked, expressed and conveyed in their music? That BTS shouldn’t have gotten inspiration or drive in writing their songs from tragedies, social injustices, economic crisis, everyday life situations and struggles because at the end of the day, BTS just want to make money and not really helping anyone through their depression and struggles and not really giving inspiration or mental and emotional support through their music and content like the ARMYs all over the world are saying based on their personal experiences with learning and knowing about BTS and their music? That Big Hit with the company mission statement “Music and Artists for Healing” doesn’t really mean anything. That BTS doesn’t really care about their ARMYs and those people who cannot speak for themselves? And that the people like us who believes that BTS is trying to help in making the world a better place to live in are just delusional or blinded by the charisma and influence of BTS from which struggles as a group that came from a near bankruptcy small agency and only had the chance to debut because they had to fill in on a spot that became vacant in a music show? That despite with the music nowadays are selling in digital forms? BTS’ album with no bundles are selling like “hotcakes” in millions and outselling every artist in the world and breaking historical records within the industry, within their country and as Asians? And breaking their own record over and over again? And despite being the most famous and most successful band or group or artists alive in the world, they release numbers of albums or songs for free as gifts to their fans even though ARMYs would still buy those albums if BTS would sell it? Yup, he’s a critic alright and a very negative and hypocrite one. But it’s just my opinion of him based on the words that came out of his mouth on this video. And by putting himself out here, he’s opening himself up to criticism… right? I think people like him will never like BTS coz he already had his opinion on them fixed, which is “BTS make music to make money, period!” Right? smh
Also, I’m not hating on him and what I said above were my own opinion. Yes, I don’t agree with everything he said but I understood where he’s at and yes he upsets me because I’m a BTS ARMY. He’s entitled to his own opinion so no hate for him on my side. I actually felt sad for him coz he misunderstood BTS in that manner.✌🏻
P.S.
Have you watched the more elaborate explanation video about the Ferry accident? You should watch it with them so that the injustice, irresponsible behavior of the authorities and neglect that happened during that time would be best explained with all of you so that you would understand why RM write Spring Day and why Spring Day despite being released in 2017 is still in the Music Chart until now in South Korea… coz Koreans find it very beautiful and could relate to the message and emotions of the song more personally than us.
I loved this reaction so much, gave me a lot of new point of views and I appreciate it greatly! definitely gonna check out more from this channel
Haha! You're one of the few that liked it!
There have been a lot upset ARMY out there so I've been doing some damage control. But there are a handful of people who appreciate the different viewpoint. So thanks for sticking around through the discussion!
- Editing Jo
It’s ok. Not everyone understand what’s going on.
I’m an ARMY.
Thank you for that honest opinion and true self reaction.
Thank you so much for your kindness and understanding. Sorry it’s taken me awhile to respond but I wanted to just say that your comment meant a lot to me. Even to this day I still get some comments on this video that are not so kind, so it’s refreshing to run across someone who gave a little bit of grace to our guests.
I’ve introduced all sorts of k-pop to people on this channel and sometimes you just never know how they’ll respond. So this is as real and honest and genuine as you’ll get.
Thanks for watching. I hope you’re able to check out some of our other videos. 🙏🏼🙏🏼💜💜
- Editing Jo
“ Do they have a train Korea? “ ㅋㅋㅋㅋㅋㅋㅋ
Yeah, he meant it as a joke. I'm glad you got that. This reaction can be a little controversial for a lot of ARMY, so I'm not sure if you made it to the end of the video. But hopefully Luis didn't make you too mad. It takes awhile for people to take things seriously some times but he eventually got there.
Thanks for watching!
- Editing Jo
@@k-popcrashcourse the way he said it was hilarious like a little child that doesn’t know anything about the world but their surroundings. These types of people are just entertaining in general to me, it’s like watching a freak show in mid 80’s truly fascinating.
@@user-zp4de5lq9i haha well that's kind of what it was like! I'm glad you find it entertaining - most people weren't exactly as patient or kind with him.
But yeah, it was kind of like a freak show / train wreck. But it made for an interesting watch!
Sorry I mean the Italian Army did an explanation he should see it and see the whole thing of what was going on that caused that tragedy it was not just an accident
Wow..he was so offensive for no reason. I am speechless.
Hi. We know ... and we apologize for the things he says and for the fact this video offends many people. He didn't have all the information and was making judgments based on his own experiences working in the US music industry. So the things he says aren't about BTS per se, but about US businesses and music labels.
We made a response video here, in case you want to watch it: ruclips.net/video/lR9zeZiF9oA/видео.html
He does eventually understand toward the end of the video why BTS had to hide the meaning of the song. And at that point he says it makes him like them even more.
Thanks for watching. Hopefully it's not the only video of ours that you watch. He was just a guest and we have a ton of other great reactions with other k-pop newbies.
Again, I apologize for Luis' words. He didn't have all the information and that's my fault as the producer. I had no idea the discussion would turn out this way and didn't mean for it to be offensive for anyone.
- Editing Jo
@@k-popcrashcourse thanks for the long answer! I will definitely watch more videos on your channel and the video you recommended.
Another thing, this song wasn't written about the tragedy, it talks about lost. Only the MV was about the tragedy.
Dont make it into an art piece............. Boy.... He has so much to learn... Western perspectives is really different from eastern perspectives. Thats okay, I know a lot of people who had a lot of preconceived notions and were kind of boxed in , after discovering BTS their world views has really broadened and life in general.
Idk...im not sure what to say..i dont want to be disrespectful....knowing the gravity of this tragedy- the political repercussions that resulted from this tragedy and risk BTS took to be black balled by the govt for even speaking abt tragedy hence the symbolism....i understand his perspective but it just comes across as disrespectful of the passing of young children and the agony the parents felt for losing their unexpectedly and unnecessarily...just saying....whatever
They couldn't talk openly about the tragedy because Korean government was involved and there was a blacklist of people, artists and reporters who talked about it. And it had to be talked about this because of the injustice. This was BTS way of address it. And they were risking a lot. They weren't as famous as they are now. BTS made a secret donation for the victim's families. And it worked. The government was impeached for this. And BTS don't do things for money. They have a lot of songs for free on SoundCloud. They always write about important issues and they don't do it for money.
I just wanna say that BTS also donated secretly towards the family of the students, different projects. They are a sincere in all they do. Furthermore this was a tragedy. If they watch the Italian version he may understand the true magnitude of it all. What I found sad was his dismissive attitude to the deaths during the explanation he was bopping and joking. OK maybe not liking the MV is OK but not acknowledging the tragedy was annoying. BTS FOR EVER💜💜💜💜💜💜
Hi! Thanks for watching. I probably should have done a better job at briefing them as to what this MV was about or fill them in on what the Sewol Tragedy was - so that's my fault. But at the time, I hadn't even seen the Italian Army explanation video so I didn't know the whole magnitude of the event or what an injustice it was. So it's hard to gage how people will respond to things when they 1) don't have all the facts and 2) each have their own background and experience in life and/or the music industry.
I'm sorry if this video made you upset or offended at all. I know he responded in a way that was very dismissive and ignorant but the Sewol Ferry Tragedy isn't common knowledge to most. And all those comments about hating artists who have to hide their messages, 1) he was talking specifically about US artists and 2) he didn't know at the time that people were banned from speaking about it. It wasn't until I filled him in at 35:35 that he understood why. It actually made him like them more.
I know that this reaction video made a lot of people upset but we urge all our guests to be truthful. If they like it, they'll say so. If they don't - they have said so. And it's not going to appeal to everyone. Just be mindful that he didn't have all the facts and that he was speaking as someone who is deeply embedded in the music industry (he sees a LOT more behind the scenes than we do - so if he's speaking about the hypocrisy of some artists, I'm pretty he's speaking from experience).
We have a response video here in case you want to check that out. His comments made a lot of people angry and so we had to say something in order for people understand and have patience with him and with us.
ruclips.net/video/lR9zeZiF9oA/видео.html
Thanks for watching! Feel free to check out our other videos - Luis was only a guest for a few of them. The others are pretty great!
- Editing Jo
@@k-popcrashcourse I completely understand what you are saying. I was not unhappy about his dislike of the music video, that is allowed but at acknowledge the death of the students. That is what I found dismissive. He was too busy criticising the artist to gage any of the the tragic events. Very cold. Having said that l reacted in emotion and l commend you for further addressing the issue. Thank you. 'Let's never forget them'