I love enemies to lovers but a lot of the time ppl write "enemies" as literal bullies and abusers and then expect us to root for an abuser and their victim
if two sides are enemies the toxicity is inevitable. The viewer must let go of the morality to enjoy the trope. if anyone looks for "healthy" stuff in tropes, you can easily take out _lots_ of them.
@@nyxldx but i feel like 2 ppl can be enermies and have a rivalry without being full on abusive like i’m not saying they can’t say mean or toxic things from time to time but when it’s a constant abuse esp when it’s one sided it rubs me the wrong way, when i wrote my og comment i was also thinking when the same level of “enemies” isn’t rlly applied like one person is almost killing the other and the other person just says snarky comments like it’s not balanced, but i do agree that in order to enjoy enemies to lover u have to enjoy a certain level of toxicity
@@nyxldx I just can't enjoy it when it's really one sided and it's only one person literally being harassed by the other. It's an uneven power dynamic and makes it impossible for me to root for the ship. I'm cool suspending my disbelief if the vitriol is coming from both ends tho 😌
I feel like theres three sub genres really the bullies to lovers (which i would count as the super toxic one) enemies which i would say was more like rivals on a team or school then (idk the best word but like) irritation to lovers
This also doesn’t account for enemies to lovers in non-romantic genres. Like what about in a superhero sense, where one character is literally a villain (rather than a bully or sports rival or anything like that) and the other is a hero! And this type of enemies to lovers can have wildly varying relationship types and toxicity levels and all that
This is a really interesting take on the romance genre, tbh I’m a sucker for enemies to lovers HOWEVER I do believe that friends to lovers is probably one of the healthier tropes.
true but I also don't know how healthy it is to keep your feelings for someone inside for like a decade- it's nice when it works out like in the movies but irl that would suck
@@sabahk I mean yh, but some friends-to-lovers relationships come from a case of genuine obliviousness. Dynamics within platonic relationships change all the time because of all types of inside/outside influences so it could just be the case of "oh, I realised I suddenly like this person more than I thought I did before" or even "I had a different opinion of what love was, and I've realised and come to understand that the love I provide and show towards this person is more than I would give to anyone else" - kind of thing... If you get where I'm coming from. So as long as you're telling that person how you feel soon after you feel it, it can be pretty healthy (imo)
I recently noticed this is my trope. So I incorporated in my relationship. If I'm in a spicy mood I tell my husband he's my enemy. But if I'm in a good mood I tell him he's my lover.
my personal favourite trope is idiots to lovers and i know it's almost like a subgenre of friends to lovers but i just love the ships where the feelings are CLEARLY reciprocated from the start but both sides are so insanely clueless about the other's feelings and yet everyone around them is so done with this neverending stupidity haha 😄 plus you get great comedy out of this trope, and the outcome (if it does end on a happy note) is so rewarding! and since i am also lowkey a masochist, all the sad stories where this ends tragically (with either one or both of them dying or just,,, circumstances where it just can't work out for one reason or another) hit me in the feels just right
agreed! the love hypothesis is a fantastic example of this. often times, some of the subtle cues from each person are better expressed in writing. also i know she put the hating game under the fake dating trope but i'd argue it's actually an enemies-to-lovers story (i also enjoy the chemistry between the characters but maybe the movie isn't as good as the book 👀)
@@xxnicelucyxxMSP it's such a great book!! i had to pace myself and not read it all in one day 😭it set such high expectations that when i tried reading the marriage plan, (also fake-dating) it felt so bad in comparison
academic rivals to lovers (or just rivals to lovers) holds a special place in my dark academia heart, and it’s also often a less toxic version of enemies to lovers (not always tho)
a personal favorite of mine is the "I'm betrothed/'meant to be' with someone because they're the "right" person for me and I become friends/an unlikely duo with someone else who helps me along the way and in the end I realize I've actually fallen in love with them." so basically the "what I thought I wanted actually isn't what I wanted at all" trope. some examples: shrek, legally blonde, enchanted, the princess diaries 2, 13 going on 30, the proposal, the duff
From this list ‘Close Proximity’ is my favorite. I love when the potential love interests are snowed in, sharing a single room, or accidentally locked in a room together. It gets them alone together to bond and communicate without having the supporting characters intervene.
My favorite trope is like Enemies--------->forced proximity--------->lovers trope. Ahh, it warms my heart(unless the characters don't rip off each other's heads😂)
i just read a wattpad book like that AND LET ME TELL U IT WAS SUCH A GOOD BUILD UP I WAS OBSESSED and this is coming from someone who reads actual books
I'm not only going to enjoy this video, I'm also going to make a list of movies to watch because I've never seen some of these. I've been too focused on shows for the past few years.
Love triangles in movies/books aren't even love triangles. A triangle works in THREE directions, not two girls falling for the same guy or two guys falling for the same girl so love triangles aren't even triangles because that would require at least one LGBTQ+ person but that's (almost) never the case so
yes i was looking for this comment,,,and @roarblack is right, i love that movie for many reasons but especially bc it is a true love triangle and i reallyyyy want to see more movies execute this correctly,,,
I feel like rivals to lovers is my fav especially in a fantasy or war setting where you gain respect and understanding of them from battling them so they only hate each other in the circumstances. Then the conflict disappears and they get stuck with each other and are like huh? What do we do now?
2:16 friends to lovers 4:40 enemies to lovers 7:00 fake relationships 8:59 forced proximity 10:41 forbidden love 13:18 best friend’s brother 14:59 love triangle 19:40 final ranking
friends to lovers is like small brained ... enemies to lovers is like ur getting there and friends to enemies to lovers is like GALAXY BRAIN trope because it has the best of both worlds and just... the history??? the betrayal?? the angst?? the "i still love you after all this time"???? the healing process??? EVERYTHING. it is everything.
I like the enemies to friends to lovers trope cause you get to see their relationship develop from hating each other to trying to atone for their past mistakes to trying to convey their feelings for one another
I think Enemies to Lovers is good when a slow burn is involved. Like we have to spend some time seeing them as enemies then neutral than lovers. It's the best with shows with longer seasons.
I think enemies to lovers works best if the characters aren't acting totally irredeemable towards each other. A good example is "Act Your Age, Eve Brown." The two characters start out disliking each other but there's still an element of respect.
i get what you’re saying but this is only if the viewer has morals and isn’t looking for the exact drama and toxicity them being horrible to each other shows
I think that's more rivals to lovers. for me I like the toxicity in enemies to lovers, where both hate each other and treat each other equally like shit and are equally toxic to each other and equally a little abusive. the one I don't like the most in enemies to lovers of bully x victim trope cause that one is just an abusive mess.
I haven’t finished the video yet but childhood-best-friends-to-lovers is top tier. It reigns supreme and any other opinion is wrong. Forced Proximity is a close second.
the enemies to lovers trope is the reason why I'm soooo looking forward to season 2 of bridgerton after reading the book, Anthony and Kate's story is SOOO good. counting the days til march 25th...
i think if they were less common ppl wouldn't hate them so much but when literally every plot centres around a love triangle its frustrating like TRY SOMETHING ELSE PLS
I feel conflicted about enemies to lovers being 1 because on one hand, rivals to lovers is literally the best troupe ever conceived and then bully and victim to lovers is the worst thing ever.
It kinda feeds in to the narrative that straight men and women cannot have a platonic relationship and someone HAS to catch feelings and it’s inevitable. Long story short it undermines opposite sex freindships between straight people
In case you guys need some recommendations/mentioned (like me) ✨Friends to Lovers: Love, Rosie; One Day; The Duff; To All The Boys I've Loved Before; LOL Princess Diaries; Palm Springs; Little Women; Set It Up Always Be My Maybe; Percy Jackson; Harry Potter; Spectacular Now ✨Fake Relationships: The Deal; The Proposal; To All The Boys I've Loved Before ✨Forced Proximity: Tangled; Star Trek; Brokeback Mountain; The Cutting Edge; Life As We Know It; Shrek ✨Forbidden Love: Romeo and Juliet; Gnomeo and Juliet; West Side Story; High School Musical Warm Bodies; Titanic; Underworld; A Walk to Remember; Teen Beach Movie Bring It On: In It to Win It; Little Italy; China Girl; Step Up 3D; Red Riding Hood ✨Best Friends Brother/Sibling: Best Friend's Brother Is The One For Me (song from Victorious) (i think) The Edge of Seventeen ✨Love Triangle: Twilight; Hunger Games shows: Grey's Anatomy; The Vampire Diaries; The Originals; Glee
Forced Proximity is fine. The angst and pining in Brokeback Mountain though? Probably the most heartbreaking I've ever experienced. I do think friends to lovers is my favorite, however. The whole right person, wrong time thing really does it for me. Normal People, Love, Rosie, and Sleeping With Other People are my favs because of this.
ooh this was such a fun video!! i personally don’t care for enemies to lovers as much, partly bc of how much of it initially hinges off sexual attraction when i’m someone who’s ace, and partly bc i develop grudges when i see men being deliberately mean/rude to women hhh, i cant quite get over it. so its friends to lovers all the way for me!! give me the Yearning and the intertwined lives and emotional intimacy 😍
on 11:24 when you started explaining why rivals to lovers is in enemies to lovers i was literally mind blown cause I was like that makes so much sense.
rivals to lovers is SO underrated i love it so much!! imo if a story is set in modern day, enemies to lovers rarely works (sometimes they're enemies for a good reason) and rivals to lovers has the tension without any moral conflict
A point in favor of long time friends to lovers. I feel like what makes a story like this cool is a situation where the stakes are high. Someone comes back, someone moves away and things get intense
There's definitely a whole lot of love triangle tropes in K-dramas. I feel like I haven't watched a single romance K-drama show without any love triangles. It's usually two guys after one girl.
I specifically love rivals to lovers sub-genre of enemies to lovers. It puts both people on a equal level and their relationship is built off of a mutual respect.
Question for the chat: Do we count gay relationships where one or both characters cannot come out for fear of retribution as a subgenre of forbidden romance? Please justify your response with evidence from the text
I think absolutely because a lot of these stories revolve around the fact that these two people ultimately cannot be together in a safe and comfortable way. Some movies that wouldn't have been able to happen without this forbidden love aspect are Brokeback Mountain, Maurice, The Way He Looks, and so many more!
dude i can't help it, i just don't like friends to lovers. most of the time I find it pretty boring. there are times it's done right, but I tend to avoid it because so many times it seems like they have a sibling-type relationship then out of nowhere they see each other differently. i understand why people are a fan of this trope I'm just a sucker for a good enemies to lovers because to me there's more tension I suppose
i don't care for love triangles most of the time but i do love how they did the love triangle in never have i ever. like, devi is a stupid teen and her interactions with ben and paxton are so genuine and indicative of being a stupid teen who's her own worst enemy. plus her plot line with ben is enemies to lovers which is always fun but i also find her plotline with paxton to be full of badly timed mutual pining and overall very dynamic. the angst and pining between the three of them is very funny to watch and i think it's very lovingly written.
i like my fair share of enemies to lovers ships, but some of the fans can be pretty awful, esp ppl who ship non-canon pairings 😭 the time i spent in the A:TLA fandom definitely comes to mind, the constant ship wars for YEARS over kataang vs zutara was frustrating enough, but a lot of fans of ZT would say the worst shit about aang just bcuz they preferred a diff ship 😭 also, back to the main point, ppl often confuse abuse with “enemies to lovers”, which can be iffy (the bully x bullied trope specifically leaves a bad taste in my mouth bcuz so many gay pairings have this?? gross)
@@murron1125 yeah and it’s annoying bcuz u can show closeted characters struggling with internalized homophobia without showing them violently bullying a canon gay character AND having them later become involved with their victim. i think the only time ive ever enjoyed romance (or romantic subtext?) btwn a past bully and their past victim would be a silent voice. it wasn’t a gay pairing obviously but the bully showed genuine remorse and guilt over what they did and actually worked to improve, make amends, and later built a very meaningful friendship with the person they tormented. these sorts of situations need to be handled with sensitivity and very rarely do pieces of media do that.
@@miri6220 yeah I agree that when writers are trying to examine, deconstruct and analyse these relationships, but often it feels like shock value. That's why I think rivals to lovers is the best form of enemies to lovers- there usually isn't anything personally malicious or vindictive there, and it can lead to fun banter
@@murron1125 YES exactly! rivals to lovers is so much fun. just having two ppl competing against each other with neither one outright abusing the other is so much better and there are so many variations of it. ppl competing for fame, a job, or being on rival sports teams, even superhero vs villain media can be done right while still making it clear that the two are on different ends of the spectrum!
my favourite is definitely fake relationship with friends to lovers coming next just because fake relationship can have a little bit of all the tropes included which i love. The Duff, The Proposal, TATBILB are some of my favourite movies
if you are open to dipping into the BL world, I recommend Bad Buddy (it is a thai series that is entirely on youtube) for a wonderful example of forbidden love with lots of chemistry
My favorite friends to lovers that it’s not really from a movie but from a series is FitzSimmons, like- FitzSimmons is everything, they have every trope, long friends to lovers, unrequited love, a LOT of angst, “I would die for you” kinda love, “I would cross the universe and travel through time”, “you make me a better person” kinda of love.
I feel like fake relationships sorta have elements of friends lovers and or enemies to lovers like they start not liking each other but keeping the fake relationship for whatever reason and at one point become friends to then become really attracted
I used to be a HUGE enemies to lovers stan and you could not convince me it was not the best trope but umm definitely last year I converted to a friends to lovers stan..
Wait you only ranked forbidden love on Romeo and Juliet when there is a lot of amazing evidence ..Brokeback mountain, Edward scissorshands, The English patient, Her, Carol, Titanic..lots of pining too and the chemistry is amazing! Enemies to lovers is the best❤️❤️
I like when people don’t like and at least one of them finds the other super annoying, which ends up being charismatic. Like Percy Jackson Annabeth really doesn’t like Percy in the beginning of first book or Gracling. Like they start of bad but not really enemies. I really like that dynamic
I don't know what trope Kaz and Inej from Six of Crows would fall under (friends to lovers? coworkers to lovers? buying off your crushes indenture so she can do some cool spy shit for you to lovers?) but they are an IMMACULATE ship. So much yearning and angst and the chemistry is *chef's kiss*
I agree on everything else but I feel like enemies to lovers and friends to lovers hit different because it describes the friendship between the friends becoming something more then hatred to actually not hating that person and liking them just brings butterflies 🦋
Enemies to lovers will always be my favorite trope. Trin please give your mama hi5 for being a great cook! Her facial expression at the end is definitely me most of the time and I love it
Enemies to lovers with flirtatious teasing is actually the greatest thing to exist
No but its fantastic
Jake Peralta and Amy Santiago
@@abida506 yes omg??
So Jane Austen
@@abida506 they weren’t enemies it was more rivals to lovers
I love enemies to lovers but a lot of the time ppl write "enemies" as literal bullies and abusers and then expect us to root for an abuser and their victim
if two sides are enemies the toxicity is inevitable. The viewer must let go of the morality to enjoy the trope.
if anyone looks for "healthy" stuff in tropes, you can easily take out _lots_ of them.
@@nyxldx but i feel like 2 ppl can be enermies and have a rivalry without being full on abusive like i’m not saying they can’t say mean or toxic things from time to time but when it’s a constant abuse esp when it’s one sided it rubs me the wrong way, when i wrote my og comment i was also thinking when the same level of “enemies” isn’t rlly applied like one person is almost killing the other and the other person just says snarky comments like it’s not balanced, but i do agree that in order to enjoy enemies to lover u have to enjoy a certain level of toxicity
@@nyxldx I just can't enjoy it when it's really one sided and it's only one person literally being harassed by the other. It's an uneven power dynamic and makes it impossible for me to root for the ship. I'm cool suspending my disbelief if the vitriol is coming from both ends tho 😌
I feel like theres three sub genres really the bullies to lovers (which i would count as the super toxic one) enemies which i would say was more like rivals on a team or school then (idk the best word but like) irritation to lovers
This also doesn’t account for enemies to lovers in non-romantic genres. Like what about in a superhero sense, where one character is literally a villain (rather than a bully or sports rival or anything like that) and the other is a hero! And this type of enemies to lovers can have wildly varying relationship types and toxicity levels and all that
"I don't want to mention what books I read because they are mostly smut" Girl drop that recommendation list right NOW
I completely agree. I feel like 2021 was the year that made reading smut pretty mainstream.
Thank you talia hibbert
no literally like Please trin please 😭😭
This is a really interesting take on the romance genre, tbh I’m a sucker for enemies to lovers HOWEVER I do believe that friends to lovers is probably one of the healthier tropes.
Agree 100%! I’m obsessed with enemies to lovers but I know it’s not usually realistic or healthy haha
true but I also don't know how healthy it is to keep your feelings for someone inside for like a decade- it's nice when it works out like in the movies but irl that would suck
@@sabahk I mean yh, but some friends-to-lovers relationships come from a case of genuine obliviousness. Dynamics within platonic relationships change all the time because of all types of inside/outside influences so it could just be the case of "oh, I realised I suddenly like this person more than I thought I did before" or even "I had a different opinion of what love was, and I've realised and come to understand that the love I provide and show towards this person is more than I would give to anyone else" - kind of thing... If you get where I'm coming from. So as long as you're telling that person how you feel soon after you feel it, it can be pretty healthy (imo)
@@KitAE0 well said, I definitely agree!
Agreed, love enemies to lover before that I was more a friends to lover person, but the tension in enemies to lovers is just the BEST!!!
enemies to lovers will always be the best trope. It just gives the plot a bit more SPICE
I recently noticed this is my trope. So I incorporated in my relationship. If I'm in a spicy mood I tell my husband he's my enemy. But if I'm in a good mood I tell him he's my lover.
@@angie21moon lmao…
😭 what even is life?
You do you girl.
passion and sPice
my personal favourite trope is idiots to lovers and i know it's almost like a subgenre of friends to lovers but i just love the ships where the feelings are CLEARLY reciprocated from the start but both sides are so insanely clueless about the other's feelings and yet everyone around them is so done with this neverending stupidity haha 😄 plus you get great comedy out of this trope, and the outcome (if it does end on a happy note) is so rewarding! and since i am also lowkey a masochist, all the sad stories where this ends tragically (with either one or both of them dying or just,,, circumstances where it just can't work out for one reason or another) hit me in the feels just right
Yessssss omg! This is the best type of friends to lovers
If you like reading, try 'The Cheat Sheet', it's exactly like your description.
Yess!!!
omg it’s givinggg luke and lorelai gilmore
Omgggg can you give me recs pls :)
I personally think that some of these tropes (fake dating) work much better in books and reading than movies
100% agree
agreed! the love hypothesis is a fantastic example of this.
often times, some of the subtle cues from each person are better expressed in writing.
also i know she put the hating game under the fake dating trope but i'd argue it's actually an enemies-to-lovers story (i also enjoy the chemistry between the characters but maybe the movie isn't as good as the book 👀)
@@iqramakesthings66 ahhh im dying to read this book! it's next on my list right after The Flatshare
@@xxnicelucyxxMSP it's such a great book!! i had to pace myself and not read it all in one day 😭it set such high expectations that when i tried reading the marriage plan, (also fake-dating) it felt so bad in comparison
oh for sure!! The flow of the book is just so easier since it plays out longer. Movies just feel so rushed
"And that's a personal opinion, but it's the correct opinion." Love that quote.
academic rivals to lovers (or just rivals to lovers) holds a special place in my dark academia heart, and it’s also often a less toxic version of enemies to lovers (not always tho)
Or like athletic sports to lovers and they like end up inspiring each other due to their competitive ness
recs??
@@daisyd6793 "Anne with an E" kinda fits the category
@@daisyd6793 Anne of Green Gables (1985)
@@daisyd6793 the Kare Kano anime/manga
“It’s going to be very subjective! No personal opinion or bias!” ….who’s gonna tell her
RIGHT like trin bestie i'm afraid to tell you this... but those are the opposite
She definitely meant to say "objective" lol
a personal favorite of mine is the "I'm betrothed/'meant to be' with someone because they're the "right" person for me and I become friends/an unlikely duo with someone else who helps me along the way and in the end I realize I've actually fallen in love with them." so basically the "what I thought I wanted actually isn't what I wanted at all" trope.
some examples: shrek, legally blonde, enchanted, the princess diaries 2, 13 going on 30, the proposal, the duff
My fave of this trope is from frozen 😍🥺
I love how one of the examples is Shrek. As it should be
Definitely watch Hart of Dixie then
does this fall under the forbidden love category? i agree tho enchanted's little love square had me by the throat yo
Yess or id call it the “it was you all along” trope
From this list ‘Close Proximity’ is my favorite. I love when the potential love interests are snowed in, sharing a single room, or accidentally locked in a room together. It gets them alone together to bond and communicate without having the supporting characters intervene.
One of my favorite fictional couples, Katniss and Peeta, were a product of the close proximity trope (:
And maybe also the shared trauma trope 😂
My favorite trope is like Enemies--------->forced proximity--------->lovers trope. Ahh, it warms my heart(unless the characters don't rip off each other's heads😂)
Especially when they don't like each other or already have a small conflict
childhood friends to enemies to lovers is my FAVORITE and fake dating. it’s just so entertaining
YOURE SO RIGHT AND YOU SHOULD SAY IT
THIS ONE,,,its so immaculetly done,,,i also enjoy the enemies to friends to lovers almost as much,,,but that switch of the friends and enemies just ✨
Actually I was writing a wattpad book like that lmao
i just read a wattpad book like that AND LET ME TELL U IT WAS SUCH A GOOD BUILD UP I WAS OBSESSED and this is coming from someone who reads actual books
I love fake dating to real dating 🥰
I'm not only going to enjoy this video, I'm also going to make a list of movies to watch because I've never seen some of these. I've been too focused on shows for the past few years.
omg yes
"right person, wrong time" is one more romantic trope i would have added to the list. 🙌
can you rank archtype tropes?! like "dead parents", "vampire lover", "chosen one" tropes. i think it would be so fun.
Elena Gilbert is literally all these tropes wrapped into one lmao
@@shaynarose7095 oh my god i didnt even realize ahsjfkalf
@@shaynarose7095 that’s what i was gonna say lmfaooo
Love triangles in movies/books aren't even love triangles. A triangle works in THREE directions, not two girls falling for the same guy or two guys falling for the same girl so love triangles aren't even triangles because that would require at least one LGBTQ+ person but that's (almost) never the case so
It would be way more interesting (and original) if that was the case
I think I know a love triangle movie. The half of it. It was so sweet❤️
@@roarblack5354 omg yea that one works almost perfectly!
yes i was looking for this comment,,,and @roarblack is right, i love that movie for many reasons but especially bc it is a true love triangle and i reallyyyy want to see more movies execute this correctly,,,
I've always wondered about that lol. The love "triangles" we see in media are more like a ... capital V? 🤣
She looks like a teacher giving a lecture, and I'm living for it. Taking notes right now.
I feel like rivals to lovers is my fav especially in a fantasy or war setting where you gain respect and understanding of them from battling them so they only hate each other in the circumstances. Then the conflict disappears and they get stuck with each other and are like huh? What do we do now?
The Devil Is a Part-Timer is a good example of this
2:16 friends to lovers
4:40 enemies to lovers
7:00 fake relationships
8:59 forced proximity
10:41 forbidden love
13:18 best friend’s brother
14:59 love triangle
19:40 final ranking
If she ever does another one, I hope “boy falls first” is on the list, one of my favorite tropes :)
friends to lovers is like small brained ... enemies to lovers is like ur getting there and friends to enemies to lovers is like GALAXY BRAIN trope because it has the best of both worlds and just... the history??? the betrayal?? the angst?? the "i still love you after all this time"???? the healing process??? EVERYTHING. it is everything.
i saw someone else comment tho,,,and it is my absolute favorite,,,friends to enemies to loves (especially childhood friends)
YES or friends to lovers to enemies to lovers again. just ugh
if you’re talking about She-Ra, i stan you
So basically... it's the angst
@@biancagardner1015 I thought the same thing dusgsibdj
Trust in Trin to rank tropes in movies
If no one else does it, she will
I like the enemies to friends to lovers trope cause you get to see their relationship develop from hating each other to trying to atone for their past mistakes to trying to convey their feelings for one another
I think Enemies to Lovers is good when a slow burn is involved. Like we have to spend some time seeing them as enemies then neutral than lovers. It's the best with shows with longer seasons.
"it's a personal opinion but it's the correct opinion" I am going to quote that now every day
I think enemies to lovers works best if the characters aren't acting totally irredeemable towards each other. A good example is "Act Your Age, Eve Brown." The two characters start out disliking each other but there's still an element of respect.
i get what you’re saying but this is only if the viewer has morals and isn’t looking for the exact drama and toxicity them being horrible to each other shows
I think that's more rivals to lovers. for me I like the toxicity in enemies to lovers, where both hate each other and treat each other equally like shit and are equally toxic to each other and equally a little abusive. the one I don't like the most in enemies to lovers of bully x victim trope cause that one is just an abusive mess.
I haven’t finished the video yet but childhood-best-friends-to-lovers is top tier. It reigns supreme and any other opinion is wrong. Forced Proximity is a close second.
Exactly
childhood bestfriends to lovers raised a whole generation so i agree 100%
1000% like hello love Rosie is the best romcom ever
That was my life 😅 me & my childhood circle of friends all rotated having crushes on each other & a few of us dated as we got older
100% agree, lol
Literally the only example of “Best friend’s brother/sibling” I can think of is the Kissing Booth, and thats not a good look-
Bring it on also fits
“enemies to lovers stans may be the worst people on earth-” * instantly likes video *
the enemies to lovers trope is the reason why I'm soooo looking forward to season 2 of bridgerton after reading the book, Anthony and Kate's story is SOOO good.
counting the days til march 25th...
SAME
omg not me just realizing that all the books are just classic tropes. im embarrassed and i'll see myself out....
@@Kaaaaaaafire17 currently reading benedict's romance, is cinderella story considered a trope at this point?
@@melissarosas3869 yeah it definitely is. Cinderella/rags to riches
Omg girl 😂we should be friends cause sameeee
i dont trust people who like love triangles.
i'm all for drama but there are only specific love triangles that i like tbh
I didn’t realise there were also other people who don’t like love triangles! I actually can’t handle them, they annoy me too much
i think if they were less common ppl wouldn't hate them so much but when literally every plot centres around a love triangle its frustrating like TRY SOMETHING ELSE PLS
I think it needs to be very specific to be likeble
I feel conflicted about enemies to lovers being 1 because on one hand, rivals to lovers is literally the best troupe ever conceived and then bully and victim to lovers is the worst thing ever.
Trin is an icon for serving us up this fresh content college professor lecture style. The whole look is on point and I am ready for class.
best friends to lovers is the superior trope period
Yess! 👏
EXACTLY
Idc what anyone says it really is that girl
It kinda feeds in to the narrative that straight men and women cannot have a platonic relationship and someone HAS to catch feelings and it’s inevitable.
Long story short it undermines opposite sex freindships between straight people
Was not expecting an update today but I’d much rather watch this than do my homework 🕺🏽
Im watching this while doing my homework lol
Same
Lmao not me watching this instead of studying for my math test
i’m doing the same thing
😜✌️ glad we all have our priorities in order
trin always eats with her outfits 💅 slay
In case you guys need some recommendations/mentioned (like me)
✨Friends to Lovers:
Love, Rosie; One Day; The Duff; To All The Boys I've Loved Before; LOL
Princess Diaries; Palm Springs; Little Women; Set It Up
Always Be My Maybe; Percy Jackson; Harry Potter; Spectacular Now
✨Fake Relationships:
The Deal; The Proposal; To All The Boys I've Loved Before
✨Forced Proximity:
Tangled; Star Trek; Brokeback Mountain; The Cutting Edge; Life As We Know It; Shrek
✨Forbidden Love:
Romeo and Juliet; Gnomeo and Juliet; West Side Story; High School Musical
Warm Bodies; Titanic; Underworld; A Walk to Remember; Teen Beach Movie
Bring It On: In It to Win It; Little Italy; China Girl; Step Up 3D; Red Riding Hood
✨Best Friends Brother/Sibling:
Best Friend's Brother Is The One For Me (song from Victorious) (i think)
The Edge of Seventeen
✨Love Triangle:
Twilight; Hunger Games
shows: Grey's Anatomy; The Vampire Diaries; The Originals; Glee
Enemies to lovers x forced proximity is EVERYTHING
Forced Proximity is fine. The angst and pining in Brokeback Mountain though? Probably the most heartbreaking I've ever experienced. I do think friends to lovers is my favorite, however. The whole right person, wrong time thing really does it for me. Normal People, Love, Rosie, and Sleeping With Other People are my favs because of this.
TRIN THE OUTFIT IS LITERALLY AMAZING I AM OBSESSED
I feel like A walk to remember falls more under “right person, not enough time”
ooh this was such a fun video!! i personally don’t care for enemies to lovers as much, partly bc of how much of it initially hinges off sexual attraction when i’m someone who’s ace, and partly bc i develop grudges when i see men being deliberately mean/rude to women hhh, i cant quite get over it. so its friends to lovers all the way for me!! give me the Yearning and the intertwined lives and emotional intimacy 😍
Praying for enemies to lovers to be S tier
on 11:24 when you started explaining why rivals to lovers is in enemies to lovers i was literally mind blown cause I was like that makes so much sense.
The romcom Two Night Stand is the perfect example of a close proximity trope
I thought the exact same thing!
rivals to lovers is SO underrated i love it so much!! imo if a story is set in modern day, enemies to lovers rarely works (sometimes they're enemies for a good reason) and rivals to lovers has the tension without any moral conflict
I never realized how badly I needed a Trin Lovell Pride and Prejudice 2005 video until I saw this thumbnail
I feel like Trin is my School Teacher and I am here for it Professor. "Love"ll
A point in favor of long time friends to lovers. I feel like what makes a story like this cool is a situation where the stakes are high. Someone comes back, someone moves away and things get intense
There's definitely a whole lot of love triangle tropes in K-dramas. I feel like I haven't watched a single romance K-drama show without any love triangles. It's usually two guys after one girl.
That's true, I think that Run On is one of the only kdramas that I've watched that doesn't have a love triangle
I specifically love rivals to lovers sub-genre of enemies to lovers. It puts both people on a equal level and their relationship is built off of a mutual respect.
ten things i hate abt you is easily the best enemies to lovers trope it’s so good i wanna eat it
Question for the chat: Do we count gay relationships where one or both characters cannot come out for fear of retribution as a subgenre of forbidden romance? Please justify your response with evidence from the text
I think absolutely because a lot of these stories revolve around the fact that these two people ultimately cannot be together in a safe and comfortable way. Some movies that wouldn't have been able to happen without this forbidden love aspect are Brokeback Mountain, Maurice, The Way He Looks, and so many more!
dude i can't help it, i just don't like friends to lovers. most of the time I find it pretty boring. there are times it's done right, but I tend to avoid it because so many times it seems like they have a sibling-type relationship then out of nowhere they see each other differently. i understand why people are a fan of this trope I'm just a sucker for a good enemies to lovers because to me there's more tension I suppose
best friends/childhood friends to lovers is *the* superior trope and i will not argue this
i don't care for love triangles most of the time but i do love how they did the love triangle in never have i ever. like, devi is a stupid teen and her interactions with ben and paxton are so genuine and indicative of being a stupid teen who's her own worst enemy. plus her plot line with ben is enemies to lovers which is always fun but i also find her plotline with paxton to be full of badly timed mutual pining and overall very dynamic. the angst and pining between the three of them is very funny to watch and i think it's very lovingly written.
can we appreciate the incredible effort put on this video? it must’ve taken a LOT.
Trin's mum is so stunning!! Awesome video, more ranking content please
YES GNOMEO AND JULIET IS SO GOOD👏🏼👏🏼👏🏼👏🏼
love rosie has me physically in pain every single time i watch it but in the best way
I feel like Trin was maybe throwing some shade at The Spanish Love Deception for the fake dating trope lmaoo
I think a solid friendship, in addition to really showing how they're best friends/partners is always fun
I will cherish this list and hold future movies to it
I’m on my lunch break and trinn decides to update. THANK YOU🛐✨💖
trin this kind of video slaps and also your outfit is killer😼 also friends to lovers>>>>
enemies to lovers is THE best trope
i like my fair share of enemies to lovers ships, but some of the fans can be pretty awful, esp ppl who ship non-canon pairings 😭 the time i spent in the A:TLA fandom definitely comes to mind, the constant ship wars for YEARS over kataang vs zutara was frustrating enough, but a lot of fans of ZT would say the worst shit about aang just bcuz they preferred a diff ship 😭 also, back to the main point, ppl often confuse abuse with “enemies to lovers”, which can be iffy (the bully x bullied trope specifically leaves a bad taste in my mouth bcuz so many gay pairings have this?? gross)
Gay bullies to lovers smacks of internalised homophobia a lot. Very icky
@@murron1125 yeah and it’s annoying bcuz u can show closeted characters struggling with internalized homophobia without showing them violently bullying a canon gay character AND having them later become involved with their victim. i think the only time ive ever enjoyed romance (or romantic subtext?) btwn a past bully and their past victim would be a silent voice. it wasn’t a gay pairing obviously but the bully showed genuine remorse and guilt over what they did and actually worked to improve, make amends, and later built a very meaningful friendship with the person they tormented. these sorts of situations need to be handled with sensitivity and very rarely do pieces of media do that.
@@miri6220 yeah I agree that when writers are trying to examine, deconstruct and analyse these relationships, but often it feels like shock value. That's why I think rivals to lovers is the best form of enemies to lovers- there usually isn't anything personally malicious or vindictive there, and it can lead to fun banter
@@murron1125 YES exactly! rivals to lovers is so much fun. just having two ppl competing against each other with neither one outright abusing the other is so much better and there are so many variations of it. ppl competing for fame, a job, or being on rival sports teams, even superhero vs villain media can be done right while still making it clear that the two are on different ends of the spectrum!
@@murron1125 sex education was the first show that came to mind for this
her hair looks so good literally unreal
ahhh yes, my favourite: childhood friends to enemies to rivals to acquantances to friends to lovers ifykyk
THE WAY YOU JUST SHOWED BRITTANA, TRIN I STAN YOU SO HARD
I manifested a video from you while seeing your comment on Dylan’s video, feeling special rn
I swear you are the only youtuber that talks about One Day, I was about to rewatch it I just love it SO MUCH
The hair and outfit I love ‼️
The lighting, the hair, the makeup. 💅🏻💅🏻💅🏻
my favourite is definitely fake relationship with friends to lovers coming next just because fake relationship can have a little bit of all the tropes included which i love. The Duff, The Proposal, TATBILB are some of my favourite movies
if you are open to dipping into the BL world, I recommend Bad Buddy (it is a thai series that is entirely on youtube) for a wonderful example of forbidden love with lots of chemistry
and it fits to the rivals to lovers trope😩
My favorite friends to lovers that it’s not really from a movie but from a series is FitzSimmons, like-
FitzSimmons is everything, they have every trope, long friends to lovers, unrequited love, a LOT of angst, “I would die for you” kinda love, “I would cross the universe and travel through time”, “you make me a better person” kinda of love.
I feel like fake relationships sorta have elements of friends lovers and or enemies to lovers like they start not liking each other but keeping the fake relationship for whatever reason and at one point become friends to then become really attracted
enemies to lovers THE superior trope *[EVERYONE CHEERED]*
PLEASE do a commentary on everything, everything
I used to be a HUGE enemies to lovers stan and you could not convince me it was not the best trope but umm definitely last year I converted to a friends to lovers stan..
You and your mom having matching bangs is the cutest thing
Honestly, friendship turned love is the best thing and most healthy as well.
This is such a creative idea Trin ugh ur the best
My favourite is childhood best friends to enemies to lovers. It's just so good! You can also combine many genres and subtropes with this one!
The angst and pining in like season 1-3 with elena and damon though 😏
i think my favorite thing about the friends to lovers is that "oh" moment
I would love to see your opinion on Dawson's Creek, I love how you ranked every trope and if you think the show lays in a lot of tropes maybe.
Just wanted to say I love your videos trin ❤
hi im crying and u just made my day 100 times better. love youuuu have a great day !
Enemies to Lovers will forever be the superior trope. It is THE moment. What an icon. I will die on this hill.
it really is that b*tch
Wait you only ranked forbidden love on Romeo and Juliet when there is a lot of amazing evidence ..Brokeback mountain, Edward scissorshands, The English patient, Her, Carol, Titanic..lots of pining too and the chemistry is amazing! Enemies to lovers is the best❤️❤️
dude your room is so aestheticly pleasing
I like when people don’t like and at least one of them finds the other super annoying, which ends up being charismatic. Like Percy Jackson Annabeth really doesn’t like Percy in the beginning of first book or Gracling. Like they start of bad but not really enemies. I really like that dynamic
I don't know what trope Kaz and Inej from Six of Crows would fall under (friends to lovers? coworkers to lovers? buying off your crushes indenture so she can do some cool spy shit for you to lovers?) but they are an IMMACULATE ship. So much yearning and angst and the chemistry is *chef's kiss*
enemies to lovers just has that ANGST about it... it hooks me in everytime
PLSSS U & UR MOM R SO PRETTY!!😤💞
I agree on everything else but I feel like enemies to lovers and friends to lovers hit different because it describes the friendship between the friends becoming something more then hatred to actually not hating that person and liking them just brings butterflies 🦋
Enemies to lovers will always be my favorite trope. Trin please give your mama hi5 for being a great cook! Her facial expression at the end is definitely me most of the time and I love it