FMCSA Forcing Thousands Of Truck Drivers To Use Paper Logs For 60 Days 😵
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- FMCSA Forcing Thousands Of Truck Drivers To Use Paper Logs For 60 Days 😵 Truck Drivers Mad 😠
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May sound stupid but shut down until
ELD=energy lost drivers
ELDs made the roads into race tracks, am I alone in this opinion? I feel like more drivers are running too fast through construction, driving like morons after a traffic backup and just recklessly running to beat a mandated babysitter. My paper logs let me just mope along, no hurry, no worry.
Yeah you’re not alone I see it every day
Heck yeah pedal to the floor at all times.
You forgot also too many drive way too fast in bad weather conditions with the E logs even with all my experience I find myself doing that sometimes it is crazy, I blame the elogs for this reason to take away my instincts it actually makes us drivers less safe and I have noticed more selfish, agitated attitudes since these mindless time clocks took over, Not to mention situations where if you could drive another hour where you could get in front of a snowstorm but instead you have to shut down and then wake up into a blizzard after your break , I have had that situation more than once. That's safety?
Yep, steering wheel holders AND Supertruckers, all trying to beat the clock. The motoring public would be soooo much safer if we went back to paper logs for all commercial drivers. Git 'er dun! "Eagle Claw" on the flip!
It also made the truck stop too crowded.
The government has no clue what they are doing.
The FMCSA royally screwed up the ELD mandate. They should've had a third party such as UL or the IIHS certify the devices instead of letting manufacturers "self certify" them.
Now they have to take yet another device out of service because it doesn't meet their standards.
Shame on the FMCSA...
And long live loose leaf logs!
Yup!!!!!
I have run paper for 26 years, love them. I get all the rest I need, 3 million accident free miles. Never have I ever had a log violation, I pride myself on this. The days of running several books are gone, there's no incentive anymore, no one wants to pay for that kind of service anymore but I still enjoy not being babysat by a government babysitter.
Yes doesn’t meet their $$$tandard$$$
@@010866beto which means every time the cellular phone companies change the $$$tandard$$$ of their networks, or the FM¢$A deems the devi¢e ob$olete, the ELD manufacturers have to $ell you a new devi¢e...
In other word$, it's ALL about the money 🤑💰...
I wonder how many CDL drivers today have ever used a paper log? When I was driving in the stone age, that is all we had...and we may have...ahem...padded...cough...or run two logbooks.
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My uncle had 3 when he was new. Needless to say he made a major oh crap and gave all 3 to the dot once
We still run 2 books with elds
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More than you would think because the eld works most of the time but it's not 100% had to use paper log a few times
I've had one just up and die on me... it was fun having to convince a whole ass DOT cop that an ELD malfunction was one of the allowable reasons to run paper until I could get to the closest company terminal to have a new one installed
Paper logs are the only way to go!
going back to paper log is a good thing for the real Truckers.
I just posted a comment, saying exactly the same. That's good news for us real truck drivers, then maybe I'll go back OTR.
Let's get rid of eld all together and go back to paper
The HOS In General should be treated as a guideline not a authority device
Someone didn't pay off someone 😆
It's all about money, not safety. They wasn't making money with ELD. Now with paper logs mistakes can occur, now more fines and new regulations against us..
You are so correct
It's only for 60 days and it's only one device. That's not a viable plan for generating income.
@@chazw3x bruh I remember when I started driving back in 2011 and dot was having a field day writing citations for so many mistakes on those paper logs. You even got a ticket for crooked lines lol..
Yes ECXACTLY!!!
They need to STOP ✋️, the modest we're concerned about Your safety "BULLSHIT"!!
The Government, and its "ENTIRETY" can no longer Fool themselves, and the American public, they are being "EXPOSED" , on a massive scale, and they KNOW IT!!!!!!
Bingo. Greed
Time to drive from Dallas TX to Miami FL on one log
They just need to go back to paper
I have kids, ELD log just takes away my flexibility to plan in a better way, It's the law to use the ELD but why the law is made? so we can be safe? Answer is NO I don't find safe using ELOG, You are more worried about the log then safety, I can't find safe parking lot of times because of E log, I can't take a rest when I'm tired because of ELOG, I have to drive faster because of Elog, Please someone tell me if I'm wrong , Troopers only know the law but we deal with the reality , And the reality is ELOG is just a crape
That’s what they get when they allow all these companies to self certify! The last ELD that we had was noncompliant with them to or something was wrong so not only did we lose $250 on each device but we didn’t get any money back from that company because of it exclamation so it was literally $500 down the drain! And we had to re-buy two more ELD‘s. I wouldn’t be surprised if this one is non-compliant as well and we are in the same boat again. If it happens a second time I’m going to paper logs and they can kiss my ass. Let them say something to us. I’ll tell them I’m tired of buying ELD devices because they’re too lazy to make sure that these companies are compliant or are up to their standards it’s their fault! So infuriating
ELD’s should just be dropped and paper logs used all over again…. FMCSA seems to not know that shippers and pick up or drop locations take their sweet ass time killing the drivers hours. Like when appointments are issued but they have you at a door or stand by to load. Then they expect for delivery to be made the following morning with or without appointment. That doesn’t make any sense. It just stresses drivers out to the point where they have to be rushing everywhere. Not fair at all for drivers to deal with this nonsense.
It’s a good day to be a old truck owner! 💪💪🤣
Gets me home almost an hour early every day. Paper works for me....😁
Now he's gotta buy 12 more devices.. pain in the butt
I been in the game 17 years still can pull out and read a map don't need a GPS to navigate through America and still know how to use a paper log i come from under that old law
Man, I wish I had that problem. I'm pretty much to the point of just hauling agriculture locally in 150 air mile radius and not dealing with elogs at all.
Me too, I haul spuds year round,
The Government wants to change that now as well..... even for dump trucks...
I have a 1998 FL with Detroit 60 12.7. No emission and no elogs. It’s such a relief to not have to deal with all that crap.
amen brother, just the feeling of not having the government hooked up to my truck and electronically babysitting me is a sense of freedom.
Same. I have a 2001 Kenworth but if they plug into the ECM it shows its a 98 motor. Fuck em. I will play the game. Im not going to give in to their bullshit. Fuck e logs.
@@jackmeoff2274 yep. And I have don’t have dpf, def, egr, scr and my truck passed smog test with flying colors. Whole emmision game is a scam. Then year after year they keep coming up with new regulation laws for truckers but they let the broker industry run wild Wild West on truckers. Never make any Lacey’s regulating brokers (the parasitic leeches of the industry) who can run all kinds of scams on us and we can’t do a dam thing about it. The whole game is designed to screw us over. I’m not playing the game
Same here. 99 379 with 3406E. Still run paper logs
Yep, love my glider…
Y'all do know,that by law if you ELDs go down you are required to keep paper logs as a backup...
So you still need to know how to fill out paper logs.
Fuck yeah paper logs are the bestttt!!
Boom 💥 we rolling baby 😂
LOL OK now who's paying to have this replaced? Wasn't the truckers fault FMCSA Wasn't happy with it sooo FMCSA needs to pay for replacement! All I can say is these morons should have just stayed with paper and this wouldn't be happening but what would I know I mean I've only got 47 years in doing this and I still learn something new everyday no matter how stupid it is I'm still learning!
Lot of companies don't understand this law. The ELd needs too be viewed out if the cab.
I have many arguments about this with companies
I'm so glad to be out of trucking!
Does that mean that the self driving trucks have to do paper logs also?
Those don’t have to do logs at all
No,they will be busy replacing radiators once a week.
They will have to reboot
@@Red13.0
But how is the DOT supposed to know how long the remote operator was on duty for? Remote operators should be subject to the same time controls as drivers.
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I personally don't want to work 14 hours a day, or drive 11 hours a day, but sometimes I work 8 hours and drive 5 hours and I have to shut down for 10 hours break, we need some flexibility to get our work done and get home to our family, I don't have set schedule, overnight once or twice a week, my boys need me to come home and be a stable figure in their development, as much as I love them, they need more, yes I'm married and they are fine when I'm gone, but life is short guys, pray without ceasing
It's the fmcsa problem that they revoked eld 1 and they should be notifying the authority in every state of their decision to discontinue the system
The question is how many drivers know how to do a paper log anymore
It's not rocket science
Wow! Mine stopped working 3 days prior to seeing this video. I automatically pulled out the paper log and now my company disband it while I'm on home time.
My eld quit working to
Paper logs is the best thing to do and the right thing
I'm on "paper logs" already. Our company trucks are all gliders no elds for us but we use a tablet for logs that are easily edited just like paper( for educational purposes) 😆.
Eddie, if you are on tablet or as we call them... electronic paper 😂, and they are not hooked up to an ELD dash plug, make sure that you are able to print your log on command. We run gliders to and my driver got stopped in NY, had a tablet with non ELD version of keep trucking app, because he was too lazy to draw a line on paper and NY required him to print it out. It is part of the law but I appealed it to FMCSA, I stated he had no internet connection or wifi in rural NY so he couldn't hook up with the printer. FMCSA sided with me and it was removed from our company records. He was still put out of service by NY for 10 hrs so be aware of it. Tablet + logbook app + glider and no ELD plug... FMCSA says you must print on request from DOT if they enforce the rule.
@@TheRoadhammer379 I never heard of having to print logs. Our safety department would have mentioned that. We have 40+ trucks. The officer usually just takes the tablet after I put it in enforcement mode they look a week back and send the logs to them. Never heard of printing anything.
@@TheRoadhammer379 that is correct I got 10h OOS once for not having a printer in the truck. Classic NY state
@@SkilledEddie 🤫
How do u edit tge drive line/ on duty hos
Bring back the paper logs, then maybe I'll get back on the road.
That's all I use is paper logs lol for all 3 of my trucks cause they are all 1996 Pete's
I'm happy to go back to paper log but a lotta new drivers now they got to work
Most of ELD owned by Indians, or Indian carriers installed those ELD are editable fully. They are using by disconnecting them and resetting by tech team sitting in india
Good way to protect a drivers right to privacy. They better use this time to get some money and run it down.
I miss my paper logs more than any new drivers could possibly imagine
Why cause ya can't cheat?
@Ryan M Can cheat and don't have to pay no elog company monthly services. You can just jump in the truck and make money. You can also get home without having an electronic device tell you that you need to pullover and sit for 10 hours.
@@jerrybesch8532thank you.put paper log ability on Elog and I wouldn’t mind
Screw them. Are they going to payvfor the new eld?
I forgot how to run paper🤦🏿♂️
Good afternoon. What eld or out service. Is this for motorcoach as well. And u for the info.
I don't see omnitracs going anywhere anytime soon have a good day 😂
Awesome ! I use paper logs and so should all of us if you don't like it get the F out of the truck and do something else !
There's absofreakinlutely NOTHING good about doing paper logs. The only ones that WANT to do paper logs are the drivers that want to cheat and drive more than 11 hours a day.
Bingo
Hopefully we can keep paper permanently
Tell them they should have never stopped paper logs !
The "cheaters" will back you up on that.
That's officer hoover... aka .. the wood working bear on youtube...
New drivers will be lost on what to do.😂😂😂
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that's great news
I wish the fmcsa would let me use paper logs. It would solve a lot of problems for me. I'm old school and know how to use paper
This is like in college when all the kids surrounded me in class because i knew how to draw, it was called intro to technical drawing , basically a drafting class like we had in the 80-90's. They were all saying "I don't get it the computer does this for you on solid works/catia"
ELD is a way to control, it isn't about safety. Studies the FMCSA has done have shown an increase in crashes in cmv since their stupid mandate.i forget the percentage on the increase.
Paper logs be much safer . Bad thing is today's drivers are they smart enough to fill one out
Yeah because being forced to go to sleep after 14 hours is so much worse than banging an 8ball and staying up for a week and drooling, and pissing on yourself is so much safer. But I guess the pill popping pedophile Era was better for some people
I run paper in my 2013 587 Pete. Never have put an ELD in as I use the 8/30 rule..I stay local but am glad they have that rule. I actually only use paper when I go beyond the radius but I use a time card running around home...
Isn't that a good thing truck drivers to use paper logs and get rid of those stupid e-logs
There is dozens of ELDs that are still cheating on logs as well as carriers who keep several logs per driver. And this is the problem? They can't detach the screen to give it to the officer outside the truck? Okay then
It's probably be a good idea to keep a copy of the notice with you while you're on paper logs.
ALEX bro I got 3 truck driver's unstuck out of a moody/ frozen lot.......none of them knew how to lock in there power decider🤦🤦 I just saved 3 company's money. It show's they are not teaching these driver's nothing..
I've done it for a driver trying to back into a tight Dock down the street from my house,he never herd of it either,I pointed it out and helped him back in,they are just throwing these people out here in automatic trucks they are driving like cars and no knowing what the Sam Hill as my mom would say,what they are doing.
My ELD is a tablet I just unhook it and hand it to him and when I get called into a D.O.T station I always bring my ELD inside it makes things faster and easier
That’s a great thing
How about the Europeans that can change the logs on the fly here in the US? The ELD logs...
I believe that the entire vision for hours of service when it was originally conceived was to increase safety and provide protection to the drivers from their dispatchers who would blackmail them with their jobs to run that truck round the clock to get that load their on time whether they were tired or not. I myself am not a longtime veteran as some are here with only 11 years under my belt, but I do believe that it was implemented years ago for instances as this and as well for drivers who were super truckers in those days that ruined it for everyone else. But since then, the system has been demonized not by the drivers per say but as these carriers who still push their drivers to the extreme in the name of the load to where modern technology gives another way for FMCSA to in their minds, lessening the ability to run multiple logs but in turn, it is backfiring on them with drivers speeding in unsafe places, aggressive driving and high levels of congestion on highways. It also gives lead way for companies to micromanage their drivers for every second they’re driving as well as tracking their every move in that truck. When a dispatcher can see your hours and has no clue what they’re looking at but yet still dispatches you based upon calculations is where the safety issues start cause they believe in planning accordingly to those numbers and then ask questions when those numbers don’t work out. I believe that if they put into the regulations that the company cannot see your logs until they are submitted by the driver as in the days of paper logs, then it would force the company to communicate with the driver to plan loads accordingly to the drivers hours, knowledge and understanding of the areas that driver is going to. But that’s my 2cents.
To be honest I am glad they shut that log down. you can get any type of edit with ELD One.
Damnit Driver I Told Y'all That They Would Go Back To The Old School Daze!!!! I Say All Glory To God 🙏🙌✝️
That's a good thing
My company uses omnitracs
These pencil pushers have everything figured...someone get my paper logs from the garage under the Corvette..
It's a crummy deal but they had no choice, the ELD company caused this, be mad at them.😢😡
My opinion only, there are to many different kind of eld's, and very likely, most cops were only shown a quick course on a couple. So....that said, they need to pick one or two eld's, and learn to read them. Make those the ones to use. Or, let us just go back to paper, and leave us alone !!
...or logging software..i.e. phone app. I'll never go back to paper logs.. had to use 3 books.. real one, fake one, and the blessed one that put the first two together!!
Eld one crooked anyway that’s what they use in chicago to reset ur logs😄😉
Good I'm a loose leaf I'm a loose leaf genius I never run out of hours and all I need is two months and I'm done trucking,
About time some drivers ,they don't care and drive more than 13 for money .too many accidents happening now. Just in case I'm a owner operator but safety overall we have families outside driving small cars.
Just use keep trucking and keep it moving
Eld mandate also got hos app removed and pro is junk so I just got this so good till April thanks
They can’t make up their mind can they???
I knew this day would come…
It’s time.
* breaks glass case with little log book ruler in it.
No they can't make up their minds
It's just another way trying to get rid of Truck Drivers
Good thing
That's good now for me 😄
I’ll take paper every time
It don't really matter to me about paper logs because I'm old school I started out on paper logs back in 1982 that's all we used to use
Could we all get together and pay all the eld companies to get there systems to be faulty so we all are forced to go back to paper. Pleeeaase
Just do what is right and legal. Don't jeopardize your life and your career over trying to get around the law.
My wife and I are a team if she is in the sleeper I get Dot me driving in the ask for her driving license do I have to show that?
I still run paper logs, have all this time.
Shid this would be a blessing if it was for all (responsible)truckers
I wonder how the new drivers that have only ever used an eld are going to do it with paper logs🤔
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Yea! LOL!😂😂😂
They're going to be lost as a trucker in Chicago! 😂😂
Considering it's taught in the schools(mine at least) won't be to difficult, hell may even lead to more productivity, cause F having to make any more lines than absolutely needed.
I don’t use anything 😂
Michigan and Indiana are 2 of the worst states for truck drivers.
Company Owner for ELD long don wan pay $$$$$$ to the government. No money, $$$$$$ under the table 🤣😅😆😆😆 no ubo Mochada Para el govierno $$$$$
Yep should be real fun for the new drivers..cant push buttons on paper.😅
That going to make it bad because it takes more time out of driving
With paper you've got more time than needed, lol
Shoot I would love to run paper logs.. 2 log books money money
AAAWWWW 😪😪😪
POOORRR LAZY COPS HAVE TO WORK FOR THEIR PAYCHECKS
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You guys dont use paper logs? I did E Logs for like a year..screw that!
What devices are running on eld1
No not every one the paperwork says all rejected Elds if cant take down for dot can look at it it's a rejected one
MasterELD is the same system as ELD 1. I used MasterELD before, and was going to get with Super Ego last year, but thankfully I didn't!! I think a few of those foreign run trucking companies in Illinois use these types of logs,trying to get by. Guess they'll find something else to get by with now. 😄
Well if they weren't looking out their bellybutton the fmcsa wouldn't have to take steps backwards just to see where they've been stepping.