Taurus Handguns - Then & Now
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- Опубликовано: 4 авг 2018
- Today lets discuss the evolution of Taurus handguns - what were they like then, versus, what are they like now.
Taurus PT100 - Plus: • Taurus PT-100P - A Clo...
Taurus 627 Tracker: • Taurus Tracker 627 
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I appreciate your retrospective on Taurus. I too have examples of their old and new products. For example, I purchased some thirty years ago, a Model 82, a virtually identical copy of the S&W Model 10 heavy barrel, to serve as a house gun. More recently, I purchased a Taurus Model 85 Ultralight and found it an excellent alternative to the much more expensive and not quite so innovative S&W #60. More recently still, I discovered the very innovative, safe, super reliable and low mass, Taurus PT 738 pistol for which I paid only $200 and carry virtually everyday now. It is a keen example of how Taurus, unencumbered by the idea that higher cost means better quality, can come up with a wide variety of innovative and surprisingly full featured pistols and long guns at, sometimes, stunningly low prices! The Taurus Curve, for example, is a wildly innovative design and has become typical of Taurus ability to think outside the box. Frankly, I have to wonder "What will they think of next?!"
I only own these two examples - but they came highly recommended by several buddies who've been into Taurus handguns for years. So far, I've been highly impressed with both of them. As far as I'm concerned, they've been a good investment.
Thanks ICO. I remember you reviewing that PT100 in the past. Appreciate it.
Thanks Bob.
i bought a PT945 in 2004 and it had frequent failures until I had put a couple hundred rounds through it. Now it's as smooth as butter. And I love the way it looks.
Like most 1911 designs, they often require a bit of breaking in. At least that's been my experience with 1911s.
Well done icarryone. I learned a lot about Taurus and i really like that revolver. Awesome review Sir
My pleasure Jerry.
Another great video as always!
Thank you Daniel.
I love my Taurus PT111 G2 never had an issue with it and it shoots very accurately.
I've heard some good things about the PT111 - just haven't had the opportunity to shoot one.
Icarryone Now they have the G2C, looks the same but has some refinements.
I have a PT100 and love it. Also have a Taurus stainless snub nose revolver in 357 magnum - compared to my other Smiths, it's at least 98% of a Smith - I love it just as much.
Good to see a new video from you.
I agree Charles.Their S&W clones are actually pretty darn good.
Great review on two nice looking hand guns.That's a interesting way you grip your hand gun and it works well for you Icarryone.Thanks for the video Slim.
I occasionally get a bit of arthritis flare up in my hands and wrists and have to made adjustments to my grip. That happened to be one of those days.
I used to do some work now and then ( a few decades ago) with a fella that carried a Taurus 92 he swore by it.
I've never owned a PT92 but I have shot several of them. All seemed to be fine shooters.
Icarryone
I've had a couple of PT92s and they we're stupidly reliable with good-quality magazines. I think a lot of issues with them come from using inferior aftermarket mags.
Another informative video Sir.
Thanks.
What a great channel you have. I am surprised I've missed it over the last three years. Props on Taurus. They make dogs and have quality control issues like any other company, but by buying guns like their PT92 and others, I can have experience and practice with a lot of different platforms, but still can afford to pay money for the older Smith and Wesson revolvers I like to collect.
My channel format is pretty simple. I'm all for giving a firearm a fair shake. If it turns out to be problematic, you simply won't see me review it. The way I look at it, if a firearm isn't worth my time, I certainly won't waste someone else's time.
I look forward to seeing more of your videos - and thank you.
You can't get better than that.
Those are the facts. well said and well done!
Thank you Robert.
I still have my PT92AF purchased in the late 80s. It’s always been a fine gun. That 100 Plus is a beauty.
So far, I haven't experienced a single issue with either of these handguns. The PT100P's polished finish does lend a bit of a diva quality to it - very pretty handgun.
Good information and history about Taurus 👍 TFS
Thanks.
Good info/video. Thanks
Thank you!
I want my first gun to be a 357 magnum but taurus has some bad press, love your vid the best reviewer online
Thank you Felipe.
Have 4 taurus pistols all have been great no probs at all..And the customer service as far as qeistions and buying extra mags have been outstanding..
Excellent.
Love this video since i own 2 G2C AND SHOOT GROUPINGS LIKE A 1911 GREAT VIDEO AS USUAL SIR !!!
Thanks.
Great Video Review my friend. I Love the Taurus Revolver 856 UL in the Red Color that I have on my Channel. It is Excellent!
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I have a Taurus Tracker much like yours, I also have a PT101 in .40 Cal it is the blued version with adjustable rear sight and wood grips. I also have a Raging Bull in .480 Ruger with a 5" barrel length. I have had zero issues with any of them. My PT101 is from the 1980's and it still shoots great. Taurus had some issues with their first run of polymer type guns, but that is about all I know of and it gave them a bad rap. I have seen many issues with other guns as well, but for some reason people seem to cut those companies slack and throw Taurus under the bus. Nothing wrong with Taurus.
From the examples I own, I have a tendency to agree with you.
Very nice hand guns sir. I love my PT92 and find it to be a very "snappy" pistol, more than any of my other 9MM's
I like shooting "big bore" handguns . . . a lot. Maybe that's why I seem to think 40 S&W & 9mm aren't all that snappy.
Thanks sir for your knowledge about Taurus i have purchased 6 - G2C all have performed excellent with the cost of it there is no 9mm on the planet that can touch it - i highly recommend this taurus for full duty use of any kind SIR - Taurus guns of now are excellent and there cost makes them elite in the gun world -
Personally, I've had good luck with Taurus handguns.
I own a PT92 and the 627 Tracker. No issue so far... It took me 6 months to receive them though. Gun laws does suck here in Brazil...
I had heard that from several of my Brazilian subscribers. Lots of paperwork and a long waiting time.
Continua com o melhor canal sobre armas sir... Parabéns do amigo brasileiro.
Muito obrigado.
I've owned several Taurus handguns (owned a PT92 but was stolen years ago). All of them were seriously (revolvers and autos) very fine firearms. A few weeks ago I purchased a G2C and again, DAMN good gun on all levels that matter......
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Great video! Have you ever had experience with Rossi? I had a 720. K frame size 5 round 3 inch adjustable sights 44 special. Great little gun. Wish I still had it. Carried it many miles.
Yes, I had a Rossi pump action .22 rifle. Pretty good shooter.
I've had quality issues with Rugers, and Smith & Wesson has churned out some lemons and then tried to stick their customers with them. The point: Several manufacturers have issues from time to time, and some of the brands touted as "superior" have had problems, as well.
I currently own/ have owned (2) PT 738 .380's, (1) PT709 Slim 9mm, (1) PT111 G2 9mm, (2) 605 .357 Magnums, (1) Judge Magnum .45 Colt/ .410, (1) Tracker .44 magnum, and (1) Raging Bull .454 Casull....all made from 2013 to 2018.
With the exception of an issue with the first PT 738 .380 ("A" suffix serial number...first run had problems later corrected) I owned, bought WELL used, that I fixed myself for $0, I have had no problems with Taurus whatsoever. I have had Ruger semi-autos with more problems.
S&W sold thousands of revolvers (forget the model number) over a several years span that apparently had barrels installed "off center"...not canted needing a clocking, but off center and uncorrectable. Their customer service during this period was geared to stick the customer with a junk gun and some people had to send their "fixed" gun back to S&W multiple times before they finally got a correctly built gun.
Do those two anecdotal stories mean that Ruger and S&W are all junk? No.
The same is true of Taurus.
Agreed. Most manufactures occasionally experience a problem with one of their products - Taurus is no different. The thing to keep in mind is that Taurus sells to a "Global" market. That equates to more product sales than any domestic firearms producer currently operating in the US. Therefore any product failure rate is going to appear artificially inflated. Just a fact.
Exactly!
Appreciated as always. I love Beretta 92 series pistols and my wife has wanted one for a long time. This is a possible solution.
I own a Beretta M9 & a model 92. This Taurus can go heads up with either of them. To be honest, I prefer the frame mounted safety on the Taurus.
I love my 454 Ragging Bull!
I've been wanting to shoot a Raging Bull but haven't had the opportunity.
Great review! What grip model is that? I know it is the Pachmayr Diamond Pro, do you recall what model? I cant seem to find one that fits the Tracker.
The grips that fit the Taurus Judge also fit the 627 Tracker.
I have owned a few never had a issue,the 85 is a great little gun ..
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Please check out the Taurus raging bull 6.5 inch barrel I think you’ll love it I know I do
I have no problem with them. I have two PT 111s and a TCP 380 all great guns
I've had zero issues with either of these Taurus handguns. Glad to hear you're having the same experience.
As always interesting and good data. What stays my hand with Taurus is the availability of parts, both factory and after market. Do you have any information on parts availability? Many thanks for your reviews, they are much appreciated.
To date, I've never personally never had to order replacement parts from Taurus. So, I can't comment on that directly.
Man they do look good but unfortunately I was one of those who got bit by one of the earlier models the pt92 it was a beautiful firearm but after being returned to Taurus 3 times I had enough it wouldn't hit a wall if you stuck the barrel to the wall I hate that because I had such high hopes for that firearm I might give them one more try but I'll have to think about it either way love the channel keep up the great content and I'll keep watching
Since the company's ownership changed hands,Taurus firearms have taken a big turn around for the better.
I edc my g2c for the past 2 years never a problem
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Interesting grip you have while shooting. Seems to help with managing recoil. Is that a style you've always used or devoloped as you've gotten older?
I've had to modify my grip a little due to arthritis. Sometimes you just have to adapt and overcome.
Yes sir, I can relate to that! We have to adapt if we're to continue this hobby,(or addiction) whichever you prefer! :) Thanks for sharing. Always like your videos and listening to the stories! Sometime it's like listening to my father's tell stories when the power would go out and you'd sit in a candle lit room for couple hours. Good memories! Thanks!
Nice review. You mentioned that the Plus model has beefier slide and frame yet it has the same weight as standard PT-100 i.e. 34 oz?
I have problem to find any other reference of the Plus model but yours videos and some Brazilian ones.
Was the Plus model discontinued? Do you know about any dealer still offering this model?
Thank you for your work, sir!
Yes, the "plus" model was discontinued some time ago. They also took a slightly different magazine than the standard PT-100. About the only place you're likely to find one now is on the used handgun market.
@@Icarryone that's a sad news. Thank you for the update anyway.
One last quetion. There is a lot of disappointment regarding factory magazines for the PT-92 model allowing round to nose down or slide stop failure when empty. Have you ever had such malfunctions with those 16rd magazines?
@@janvilimovsky No, not at all. They've been very reliable.
I've had the Taurus PT100P for several years now and never had any issue with it and it's been one of my go to guns when i go to the range along with the PT111G2. I can't say much about Taurus revolvers since I've never owned any but these two semi auto's have both been dependable shooters.
Thanks for the video.
Absolutely agree. Thanks Trevor.
Good to see you on lib tube again and I do value your opinions.......That being said years ago I saw a sign in a motorcycle shop tha read . If you have a 20 dollar head buy a 20 dollar helmet.......I'll continue to trust my life to Ruger and Smith and Wesson For a few dollars more.
What if you had a million dollar head but only 20 dollars?
One of my favorite "truck-guns" i've owned(and still have in my truck) is my Taurus mod. 2 inch ,dbl. action only mod. 445, in 44special. A true lil hand canon. While i dont shoot it as often as many of my other pistols, it is a wicked slick blaster! Nice vid. brother, and as always, best wishes to you n yours, Mike.
Never owned one of those but at one time I had a Charter Arms Bulldog .44 special - which is another small dog with vicious bite.
Had a few taurus revolvers -617 605 85. Only the 605 had issues but I bought it used. Have a smith and wesson 686 now and it is comparable to my 617. Better frame, and stronger build but not by much. Most taurus semi autos in my experience jam up..
To date, I've had a very good experience with these late model Taurus handguns.
I have mixed feelings about Taurus. I do own the Tracker and it's a fine revolver and fun to shoot. I appreciate their lifetime warranty but it is my understanding they can take years to repair? What I find more irritating is that getting parts from them is nearly impossible. I lost the yoke screw on mine and went through hell getting them to send me a new one.
I've never actually had to deal with their customer service - but thanks for the input.
Is it possible to get a Tracker without PORTED BARREL?
Not sure.
I have a PT100 Plus in SS that keeps dropping magazines every shot. Any ideas? I think I should just send it back to Taurus to repair.
Personally, mine never has exhibited that problem. It could be as simple as a magazine issue but without examining it, it's hard to say. Perhaps contacting Taurus would be your best bet.
I replaced the recoil spring with a standard wolf spring, no luck; replaced the magazine hold-in pin-spring combo, no luck. If I push the magazine's cut-out a tiny bit, then it won't slide into the magazine well all the way. Sucks because I really like this gun.
Nice. Did you do the voice for the guy that left and went to the Alaskan wilderness until he was in his mis 80's? Public TV?
Nah, wasn't me - but I wish it had been. At least that would have been a paying gig.
Was that the farm guy from Iowa? Amazing story.
I have a question ..Taurus made a stainless (real stainless) steel 3 inch non ported fixed sights .44 mag six shooter awhile back... would you know the model by any chance ? I love the older Taurus .44 mags I own 2 M44's & may pick other up tomorrow ....the 3inch :-) BTW I love my stainless PT92
I remember seeing those but don't actually recall the model number.
I picked the Taurus .44 Snubby up today I traded it for Walther P22 & PK 380 which I never shot ...check it out here facebook.com/GunsNBlades
Sure looks nice these.
I think so too John
"Were?" Were quality control issues? Yes, they've got that 92 down pat, I'll give you that. Thanks for the video.
I own 3 Taurus guns now and love them all! For the price, they can’t be beat!!!
You are right, they are an excellent value.
I've been through two of their revolvers, a .357 and a .44, both had quality control issues. The .357 had the internal trigger bar break after only a couple of hundred rounds, the .44 had a rough and sticky cylinder. NO MORE Taurus for this guy!
So far, so good with these two.
I hope they serve you well for many years. I'm sure some they produce are good. I had a friend years ago that loved them.
FWIW: The Beretta 92 adopted by Brazil was a first generation design with a frame-mounted safety and a magazine release located at the bottom corner of the frame. Beretta changed to the slide-mounted decocker on their second-generation 92S. The magazine release was repositioned with the third-generation 92SB. So Taurus basically bought the tooling for Beretta's first generation 92. Taurus would add an ambidextrous safety and relocate the magazine release in the early/mid 1980s. The decocking feature was added in the early 1990s.
Correct.
BTW: Taurus revolvers already had the external appearance of a S&W knock-off even before Bangor Punta bought a majority stake in 1970. The early Taurus revolvers had different features like a two-piece barrel, a coil mainspring, a sideplate-mounted hand spring, and a hammer block safety linkage buried under the hammer and rebound slide. Taurus adopted frame-mounted firing pins on their centerfire revolvers around 1977-'78, nearly 20 years before S&W. Moreover, they started using a transfer bar safety starting in 1980 for the small frame models, and around 1989 for all of their other frame sizes.
One interesting note is that Beretta's factory in Sao Paulo, Brazil was making revolvers for export back to Italy as early as 1971. The PR71 Tenax looks suspiciously close to the Taurus revolvers of the same era. My guess is that the Brazilian government leaned on Beretta to get domestic production going as fast as possible, despite their lack of official contracts. So, Beretta acquired revolver parts from Taurus for their Brazilian employees to assemble and finish. Given the level of cooperation between Taurus and Beretta, perhaps it shouldn't be surprising that Taurus was able to take over the Beretta factory in 1980.
Eric loves the Bull
And other farm animals.
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I had a pt100 fastest shooting pistol ive had. Have not had many but I could shoot faster then a glock accuracy was comparable as well. Its an ok gun nothing fancy or expensive. Take it use it abuse it you will get your moneys worth.
I've shot the heck out of both these Taurus handguns and have never encountered a single issue.
I always felt that the non interchangeability with Beretta magazines was a major draw back,for the gun. The girsan is the better choice in my opinion
It just boils down to personal preference.
Does Taurus make a 10mm?
Not that I'm aware of.
I'll have to stick with my Sigs, Rugers, S&Ws, Walthers, and Rock Island Armory. No need to clutter up my safe with guns that might turn into a problem. Thanks for the information though.
There's no such thing as a gun - or any other mechanical contrivance - that, given time, won't eventually develop a problem.
I own one ..A 22 Tracker. It is at the factory awaiting repair😞
So far, the two you saw in this video continue to be good performers. Sorry to hear about yours Bobby.
@@Icarryone Awe it's just a thing😉I would own another... I like the PT line and I think their revolvers are pretty awesome., I am not sure how many thousands of rounds I shot through mine and I bought it used😳lol...I can't wait to get it back
3:30 That grip, you're just asking for slide bites with your thumb back there
I occasionally get a bit of arthritis flare up in my hands and wrists and have to made adjustments to my grip. That happened to be one of those days.
Icarryone Whatever works, as long you keep the skin on your fingers and the blood inside your body
I'm from Brazil and actually i'm from São Paulo, down here Taurus has a pretty bad reputation. The problem we have here is that the citizens have basically two firearms company to choose from, Taurus or Imbel, both of then are not great. (Sorry for my english, hope you guys are able to understand me)
I also heard that the civilian population can't legally own a pistol with a caliber larger that .380 auto. Any truth to that?
Icarryone yes, civilians have the following rules for firearms: shotgun: 24 inch barrel minimun, revolver: maximun power is a .38 spl, pistols: maximun power is a .380. And, civilians are basically not able to carry guns, we can have them at our homes. Still though, there is a ton of bureaucracy to own one (like in some cases, one year waiting).
Icarryone it's true!
Icarryone and revolver 38
That's very sad to hear. Thanks for the information.
How's it going??? Thank you for the overview!!! SEMPER Fi!!!
My pleasure Weed.
I've never had an issue with any revolver models from the 80s
Newer ones, I never had luck with. Poi issues, canted barrels, etc. and I never even considered a Taurus auto. Their new 1911s may be worth while as I'd consider Taurus over Tisas or rock island, llama, ati.
For the price though you can get a cz that's far better quality
I only own these two examples - but they came highly recommended by several buddies who've been into Taurus handguns for years. So far, I've been highly impressed with both of them. As far as I'm concerned, they've been a good investment.
sorry but I will never cross over to the dark side nice video my friend
Strange, Joey Cuz said you were actually "from" the dark side. :)
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Have you noticed that everytime you hear that's a piece of junk it's always followed by....buy a glock? Thanks for the review. I remember Cali guns that fired themselves. Taurus has come a long way. I might not carry it for protection but then again I don't carry my 12ga either.
I've never had one so I can't speak from experience. I have hear though their semi's have a bad reputation and the wheel guns have the "Hillary Hole" too that is troublesome. At least they're pretty
You know, I've never been one of those guys who believed everything I read or was told. Once you decide to sift through opinions, hearsay and conjecture all that's left is to decide for yourself. The experience I've had with these Taurus handguns wasn't any different. I've found them to be a very satisfying investment.
You get what you pay for. Not sure if that's good or bad. It just is.
Not necessarily. Sometimes you pay Smith & Wesson prices and get total junk from Smith & Wesson.
I've sent so many Taurus semi autos and revolvers back to the factory for customers, that I'll never buy one. The 92 is generally better than the rest, like the frame mounted safety... But i need something that goes bang every time i fire it... I've seen revolvers with cylinders that won't advance, semi autos with frames cracking.
Get what you pay for... Buy a Smith, or a Glock or a Beretta...
Don't buy a cheap unreliable gun... Maybe they've changed them since the early 2000's but they were as bad as you claim in the 1970s... Junk
Love your channel... But you'd have to pay me to take a Taurus
Because of their earlier reputation, I never bought a Taurus handgun until recently. The experience I've had with these newest models has been very positive.
Icarryone i still haven't seen a quality of metal and parts Everytime I've looked at one... Glad they're working better for most people now, but i would rather spend the money...
It's all about choice & personal preference - and that's always allowed.
Don’t listen to Chuck with Alaskan Ballistics he’s a troll. Lol kidding! I think Taurus gets a bad rap because they are such a huge company they don’t always catch all the duds. All of my Taurus guns have been great, except for a 380 that stuck at times. My revolvers from Taurus have always been reliable.
Icarryone absolutely!!!
If you say Taurus is good that's fine for me.
I don't review firearms that I've had bad experiences with. If its not worth my time, I certainly won't waste yours.
Icarryone
I appreciate it!
The problem with Taurus is poor service
I'm assuming you mean customer service?
@@Icarryone had a revolver that needed repair. The work they did was good. The communication is non existent and the wait is 8 weeks just to install a new cylinder. We could say customer relations is poor. They won't answer their phone so they have no respect for my time. They don't answer email your cut off until they contact you
Junk back then and Junk now.
You're entitled to your opinion - and I'm okay with not sharing it.