I'm note sure that case law matter to the extent that the police rely on it. Read the law and ask, if they violate their policies or training do they lose QI?
There first has to be a complainant before anything can be done at all. The police cannot be the complainant. They have to be given a warning first, that means no ticket or arrest. This wouldn't have even been an arrest or a citation even if the cops knew the law, it would have never even gone to court. How would a court find them in violation of the noise ordinance?
@@breathofdifferentair1950 Not quite my point. They police say they can commit any violation if there is no case law. 13:23 in to the video It's the bit at 13:25. A right is clearly established when it is "sufficiently clear that every reasonable official would have understood that what he is doing violates that right" So if the policy policy is clear, and the officer has signed to say he has read that policy, then does something different that violates someone's right, my take is a reasonable official would understand they are violating rights. That extends it beyond precedent.
You give person a gun, two extra magazines, a taser, a night stick, pepper spray, and handcuffs, and you send them out to enforce laws they don’t understand. That is extremely dangerous to the public and grossly irresponsible.
Not u derstand IG the law is intentional. The Supreme Court stated cops can’t be expected to know all the laws. Why you ask? That way it’s difficult to hold them accountable for violating them!!
@@darscassel Then how can they arrest someone if they don’t know the law? They could have just said “we’re not sure if this is illegal”. Their ignorance can ruin peoples lives.
@@darscassel they should be expected to learn at least common sense laws like those involved in this clip. Fir example, refusing to identify and shooting a firearm at night. The cops are incorrect on both offenses!
"Keep being smart, you're gonna go to jail tonight" so you're going to take them to jail because you don't like how they're talking to you? After you falsely detain them for doing something completely legal on THEIR property? She doesn't deserve to be a cop
One of the arrested men vaguely remembered the lack of a stop and ID law in the state and asked about it. Turns out that was a higher level of knowledge on the local laws then the police had......absolutely shameful
@@throatpunch4789 They do. In High School. US Law. We went through the constitution and the laws relevant to citizens. However it's only taught senior year in VA for some reason.
"Keep on getting smart and youll end up going to jail" this type of threat should absolutely be illegal and should end up with them in jail and being banned permeantly
The VERY FIRST mistake by the police...."keep getting smart and you'll go to jail". That cop should be FIRED. You can't arrest someone for "being smart". The cop can't control her feelings and if you can't do that, you shouldn't be doing the job.
@@redraider4b40 ....maybe I should have slowed this down for the idiots. I know what her intent was....her inability to de-escalate the situation or calmly assess the situation instead of making impulsive empty threats off the jump, highlights her inability to do her job.
@@redraider4b40 Unfortunately what she meant and what she actually said are two completely different things - very different legally too. Love the way you back a cop acting very badly.
This deputy is the exact reason people don’t like police. She is an absolute tyrant. Especially when she pulls out the “Where’s the weed at?” Pathetic.
There once was a farmer & a merchant who had stalls across from each other. He was a cabbage farmer, the merchant an apple salesman. The merchant had a giant tub of good apples, & the farmer would come buy 1 everyday. But 1 day, he saw a bad apple on top. 'That's nothing, easily ignorable.' He thought as he got his apple & went on his way. Business was good for both. But the next day, the farmer saw 5 more bad apples on top. 'Oh, this is fine, just bad luck.'. One less person came to the merchant that day. The very next, there was 11 more bad ones. 'Surely Merchant is just having bad luck.' So farmer told him about the bad apples on top. Merchant, appalled at the thought that he could have bad apples, exclaimed "These are good apples! I will keep them & defend them!". But less people came that day. Over the next few days, more and more bad apples were piled on top, making it harder & harder to see any of the good ones. Try as he might, Farmer could not get Merchant to see reason. "These are good apples! I will keep & defend them!" This went on until 1 day... no one came by except Farmer. The tub of good apples now looked like sludge that stank & no one wanted to see. Customers were starting to want to kick him out of the market. Confused, Merchant asked Farmer, "What is wrong with my apples? They are good? You just have to dig through the other ones?" Farmer, shaking his head sadly, replied, "Merchant, you cannot keep the bad ones, they will drive people away..." but Merchant replied, "These are my apples, I will keep & defend them!". Unable to see reason, Farmer took him over to his cabbage stall. None of them were bad, sure, some were oddly shaped, some were small, but none were rotten. Business was good for Farmer. Confused, Merchant asked, "How do you keep them so good?" To which Farmer chuckled: "I take the bad ones & make them into fertilizer, so new, good cabbages can grow! If you keep the bad ones, it makes the rest look horrible, & no one will like them." Now if only police departments could be more like Farmer, instead of keeping & defending the bad cops, make the bad cops examples of what not to be. There'd be less bad ones, & people would be more trusting of them.
@@smusky4643 It's also more that bad apples don't just obscure the good ones, but actively spoil them as well like a plague until the good are pretty much all turned just as bad as the original bad influences
ABOLISHING QUALIFIED IMMUNITY WOULD MAKE COPS PAY ATTENTION TO WHAT IS LAW AND WHAT IS NOT. AS LONG AS THEY KNOW THEY'RE COVERED NO MATTER WHAT THEY DO...THEY WILL KEEP ON BREAKING THE LAW.
Exactly. Speaking of exactly, google 'incarceration in the united states wiki'. When you see the graph shoot up, that's exactly when America became a police state.
@@CaptainRockoBD well most of the time they loose their jobs and thats it. Which is ridiculous and wrong. A cop can break several laws that would get a citize convicted and sentenced to prison, and the cop will walk scot free most of the time and only losing their job.
The female cop flat lied about seeing them fire in the air. So now she looses all credibility and every person she arrested throughout her career should have their cases vacated.
Also said how stupid it is for them to shoot when a cop is there. Looked like she was a couple houses down and they were in the back, doubt they knew she was even there
To go to such extremes is crazy, definitely worth reviewing her cases tho and if they depend on her word alone, then it gives a chances to be overturned.
"You're being identified until I can identify you and then see if you're also clear." "Where's the weed at?" I swear cops just have a record that skips the same old nonsense over and over.
2:31 That's not what she means by _"When it's this dark"_ concerning being illegal to target shoot on private property. What she means is their *_skin_* is _"too dark."_ Point-blank. Listen to everytine she says _"dark"_ in this new context, and the whole thing makes sense. She's racist.
Not sure if you're familiar with the term "sundown town," but this whole interaction definitely harkens back to an ugly part of American history that directly relates with your comment. Sundown Towns were places that explicitly excluded non-whites after sunset, and even beyond those towns, countless innocent black folks were historically arrested for doing any sort of otherwise normal business "after dark," whether that was purchasing or selling goods, walking outdoors, talking "loudly", etc. It became so bad that any criminal charges labeled "[mundane activity] after dark" was understood to actually mean "[mundane activity] while Black." @@darrene.vonbraun4421
They don't identify you to know who you are. They put your information in a database so that when there is an actual offense committed they have a possible suspect. That way they don't have to "figure out what's going on."
"Can't shoot on my property?" "Whose property is it?" "My property." "Whose" "My property" "Is it in your name?" "Might be" You're the one that got smart lady. You ignored "MY PROPERTY" three times.
Agreed. At a certain point, I stop trying to communicate when it becomes clear that the other party is purposefully not engaging in good faith. I do it to my boss, my coworkers, even my husband and my mom might get a monotone series of "okay"s, "understood"s, and "that's fine"s when I quit on a conversation, so why would some random cop be special?
Officer: "Where's the weed at?" Kids: "There's no weed here. But there ARE a lot of donuts. Everyone can see them hiding in the seat of your pants . . . ma''am. "
I loved seeing these two young men know the law. That cop was surprised when that young man busted out with "Oh so this is a stop and ID state?" They probably thought that they didn't know the law and they could just tell them whatever they wanted to and not get in trouble for it. I'm glad these young men stuck it to them in the most respectable and upstanding way possible! I hope everything went well for them!
@@ksfallenangel5770 and in this day and age the cops don’t have to learn the laws because they can do whatever they want and get away with it thanks to qualified immunity.
@@dermagnus8482 - If "Quota hires" is in response to the female officer in particular, the SCOTUS declared affirmative action quotas illegal in the 1980's. Any legal affirmative action program can only consider things like sex, race, ethnicity, etc. when considering candidates who are already in the qualified applicant pool. Those traits can't be used to put candidates in the qualified applicant pool, let alone to give unqualified applicants a position. And again, quotas are illegal. Also, there were two male officers who also misrepresented the law in that jurisdiction.
"I have it on camera that you discharged your firearms in the air" Says the cop who had to walk around several vehicles, a garage, and boat, and continue to call out for them to show themselves, before actually seeing the two men.
She could have meant that she had the shots on camera (she did) and that he admitted shooting guns into the air. That means he admitted to a class 4 felony, reckless discharge of a firearm.
Major props to these guys. They were shooting firearms when a cop showed up making laws and STILL stood by there rights. Awesome video, was hoping you’d cover this after seeing it on Lacklusters channel. You guys both do great work
They did VERY good but i dont like how they asked that bitch "we cant shoot out here?" I wish they would have kept silent and let her make a fool of herself.
@@jaimhaas5170 HAHAHA😅 i hear that! I love guns 🇺🇸just as much as anybody but those guys blasting off 12 gauge shotguns at bedtime with work in the morning....... CRAZY!!😂
Why do SO MANY cops not understand their states stop and ID laws? They always think they can demand someone to ID themselves. This needs to be day 1 of academy training nationally going forward.
I agree She wasn't able to maintain her composure or keep her fear in check yeah she definitely needs a desk job she's not qualified for the field. This is a little known statistic but most female officers end up at the desk job after a year in the field
Most cops do. I once called 911 for a buddy with a broken leg. I was talking with dispatch when an unrequested officer showed up to assist put his gun on me for having a suspicious cell phone..... The phone I was talking to dispatch with cause rural NH gps wasn't a thing yet.
I’m not pro cop by any means but any reasonable person would be a bit scared with random shots going off and you can’t see where they were coming from. Everyone wants to get home to their family.
@@TheRizzlyBear21 Any reasonable person would read the room and see these two, were not scared, acting as if they weren't committing any crime more like the acted if felt legally justified in what they were doing, and reasonably complying with orders though they didn't say yes master so I guess how an un reasonable person would still be a bit scared after reading the room at that point.
When she said “where’s the weed at” out of nowhere I was stunned. Making it blatantly obvious she only cares about getting an arrest. I would have had a hard time staying silent.
Lol. Guess she got her arrest! It also costed her dumbass too! I hope both men got everything they asked for. That officer, including the other officers that responded too, should have to turn in their guns and badges. That’s only my opinion tho! To me, if you’re an officer of the law, and you violate the public’s rights, get charged, get sued, & loose; (to me), that should come with an AUTOMATIC FORFEITURE of your job, weapon(s), & your badges. You’re actually costing the ppl MORE MONEY by NOT SERVING the ppl in which you’re job entitles you to do. IJS tho!
It's bad enough that the first cop doesn't know the law, but the fact that the supervisors were unaware that you can't simply demand ID for no reason is mind-boggling. The one sergeant literally didn't know the phrase "stop and ID." They just give these goobers guns and turn them loose on the public without any idea of what constitutional rights are.
@@samh3239 "once the sun goes down you can't shoot anymore!" Lmfao, i guess you can shoot later in the summer then, at winter you better stop at 5 pm 🤣
For citizens ignorance is not an excuse & they are required to know the law at all times in the area or State they are at or in. For officers ignorance is allowed do to immunity!
For citizens, it is not "know the law". The citizen equivalent of qualified immunity is "standard carelessness". For example, if a bartender spills a beer on a customer, the bar owner pays because this is standard carelessness, and a normal part of the job. On the other hand, if a bartender is annoyed with the customer and throws a beer on them, the bartender pays because of gross negligence.
federal law is different then state laws. i see state laws total 180° different then federal. like US code 18 chapter 2 (part 1) aircraft and motor vehicles, 31 (definitions) paragraph 6 (motor vehicle) and paragraph 10 ( used for commerical purposes). compare your local state law to the federal law.
First thing I noticed, when she aproached them after hearing the gunshots; She didn't identify herself as police before she ordered them to show their hands! To them, all they can see is a flashlight of a person they don't know, so a possible intruder! That was the FIRST thing she did wrong
She did not identify herself as a cop in hopes she could murder 1 or more of these people.. I believe they purposely fail to identify themselves as cops so murdering black people will be seen as justified. A tiny bit of justification is all cops need to get away with murder.
How did that work out for doctors? Badly, right? Very, very badly. Instead of the doctor getting fired, for causing a huge lawsuit against the hospital, now they just file a claim with the insurance and nothing happens to the doctor to correct their behavior. Ending QI will also end the ability to find the police department liable. The police department can't file bankruptcy on the judgment but the cop can, and immediately will.
@@Tijuanabill You're kidding, right? If someone files a claim against your malpractice insurance, your rate goes up. If your rate goes up, you become more of a liability against the hospital. If you're too liable, you get fired and no hospital will hire you.
@@slimeboy3 Your theory is perfectly sound. I can't argue with it, in any way. But reality doesn't align with the theory. Reality is, doctors are in high demand, and the list of former doctors who still want to be doctors, has about a dozen names on it. The worst of the worst go from state to state, and repeatedly are given new chances.
It's amazing how many of these cops don't understand the difference between the ability to ask and the authority to compel. It's something so easy to understand and explain that there's no reason for it But as long as PD's don't train well enough there'll be 6-7-8 figure settlements
"Where's the weed at?" At that point I would not speak another word to that officer as she has no respect and does not even deserve a pleasant conversation.
I think it would have been the officers lawyers who brought up qualified immunity, and legally speaking quite effectively because it basically assured his clients success. That said the idea of qualified immunity is gross, and I’m disappointed the Supreme Court made that ruling, yet I’m not surprised. But to my point it wouldn’t be the judge who makes that decision, especially a lower court judge, he simply has to apply the existing case law.
@@killingmonkey11 Agreed, there needs to be a far more legitimate process to review judges decisions by someone that isn’t part of the process or accountable to these judges. We need something like a peer review process, but without having their buddies in the ranks.
WEll at this point in time it is rare. Because america has never liked 'those' people owning anything. Meanwhile they gave free land to people who just walked off ellis island.
2:31 That's not what she means by _"When it's this dark"_ concerning being illegal to target shoot on private property. What she means is their *_skin_* is _"too dark."_ Point-blank. Listen to everytine she says _"dark"_ in this new context, and the whole thing makes sense. She's racist.
I don't know if the family here is poor or not, but it is very common for people of any economic background to own a good chunk of family-inherited land in rural SC. In a place like Winnsboro you can't even sell it. No one wants it.
@@jamess7745 It's not common for black people to own a "good chunk" of family inherited land. It's just a slither now. Especially with all the racially charged plunder under heirs property rules.
1) Never announced herself as a law enforcement officer on private property while pointing a weapon at residents. 2) Made up a law that you "cannot shoot a firearm after dark." 3) Arrested instead of given a warning. 4) By law the men didn't have to ID. Glad they sued.
"Once the sun go' down you can't discharge a firearm" That law just sounds like something parents tell their kids to keep them from doing things. I haven't laughed as hard in a long time lmfao
@@Tristan-42069 you can shoot some animals at night, like feral pigs, for example. In Southern states there are hundreds of farms plagued by them and people use thermal and other night vision sights to kill them after dark.
Sometimes I think police officers become police officers because they felt powerless in their earlier life. The police woman sounded like a frightened child. I like it when healthy minded people become police officers to genuinely protect and serve, not to prove something or with some vendetta.
Wow, it's almost as if she heard gunshots going at the dead of the night and it was her duty to investigate those gunshots herself or something. You'd be shitting yourself too.
Sadly, the "healthy minded young people" don't STAY police officers. If you don't fit in with the "thin blue line" mindset, you either quit or are driven out of the police force. And intelligent people almost never stay cops for long, instead going on to become lawyers or other legal professionals like paralegals. But don't take my word for it, that was the entire reasoning behind New London's refusal to hire a man because he was "too smart" in _Jordan v. New London, Conn._
Awful conduct. They make it so easy to dislike them and they breed anger and resentment when they act unreasonably while gaslighting these people with made up laws. Its abuse
She was talking down to them and had an attitude the entire time. Not a shred of professionalism or even basic decency communicating with another human being.
"ABOLISH QUALIFIED IMMUNITY" The ignorance of these cops blows my mind. To think that citizen must provide ID any time a cop ask for it is asinine. Seriously sounds like Nazi Germany give me your papers. And the fact that a sergeant said that was the law when he was not even aware of what the law truly is blows my mind. Sounds like these two guys are about to get paid! And I hope it's multi-millions don't ask for a small number!
Police are habitual lyres. The police don’t want you to know any laws or your rights . It’s much easier to control you and make you do whatever they want you to do. Informed people are not as fearful. Police want you intimated and afraid
Yep. And as a liberal activist, targeted for my politics, I've personally experienced online harassment and offline *violence* by law enforcement. Def nazi sh
yeah lets let innocent officers get lumped in with the baddies. some do exist, only following dept orders and training. its not QI that is the problem, but WHEN it is applicable and how it is applied. i.e. a gun is inanimate, does not kill people. people kill people. but lets ban guns, then no killing ever again, right? not logical. you have took at why officers need protection from hostile actions when the dept. is ultimately responsible, not Joe Cop. did you know K-9's actually have more rights than human cops? QI definitely protects these officers even tho they frequently make mistakes, but it is not their fault. they were trained from "hire" to do certain things. sometimes they goof, overreact, indicate wrong things, bite subjects excessively hard trying to detain a subject
Wow! She has no problem blatantly lying about "seeing" them firing in the air, and then starts fishing for a weed charge. Then the others show the insane tyranny and make up laws. Too much power in their hands has led to them power tripping and ruining lives. End qualified immunity and the tyrants will be weeded out.
I love how when the gunshots were heard that the police person freaked out but the local people didn't even act like anything happened and didn't care. I would imagine the locals' reactions would be a fairly clear sign whether something bad is going on or not.
they didnt even flinch lol, assume they were so use to it they didn't even think about miss cop wetting her pants over backyard shots no where near her lol
When you live out in county it is a daily thing to hear gunshots and not think anything of it. Actually it has desensitized me when I'm in a city or town and hear gunshots. Usually about a 3 count before I'm like "oh right, that's not normal/legal"
She's an actual officer (with a gun, badge, and everything) and probably has children in her custody and yet she resorts to false imprisonment and making up laws when people stand by their rights. She should be fired.
I would have thought using some commonsense, shooting guns in a residential area but I guess that has little to do with the law. if they knew how to do their job, they could had got them for noise ordinance. it is like they hired these people off the street or something.
@@Trip_Ts no one around is complaining ab the noise for all we know, so just cause their ears hurt it don't matter, those ppl would still be in a case with these cops either way
Back2Basic "Make it up as they go" what freedoms?? See the civil rights lawyers channel to learn about warrantless arrests and seizures and probable cause seems to fit every ego enforced arrest handcuffs used!!
So infuriating. How is it these mofos break every f*ing law on the books and that's fine. My husband knocked out my teeth, I called cops and adult protective services. THEY BASICALLY LAUGHED AT ME AND REFUSED TO HELP. I just slap him once, I got a family violence charge. WTF?
Great Video as always ATA! That officer was overly aggressive and let her ego get the best of her. Good on the men for exercising their rights. Another case of law enforcement enforcing feelings and not the law. Disgraceful.
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"mmmhmmm" "mmhmmm" "when you got a deputy out here" except that they didn't know there was a deputy there. "shooting in the air" except that she wasn't sure where the shots came from even. She is just a tad bit jumpy
Unfit for duty. You can investigate without making up laws and being generally ignorant. We kinda want our law enforcement to know the laws right? SMDH
They should absolutely learn the laws inside out and be able to quote case law but sadly I think many cops only see them as criminals that have not yet been caught.
*people everyone should know their rights because shit like this happens to everyone. Cops know a little more than average about laws than the average person but that certainly doesnt mean theyre right all the time.
@@DirtyStinky the original commenter stated ‘especially’ because of things in this video like the woman cops weed accusations. She would not have made that comment if they were white, even though black and white populations use weed at the same rate
I’ve got it on camera that you were shooting into the air in an unsafe manner … lie Where’s the weed at ? …. Implying… lie. Can’t shoot at night …. Lie. Everything out their mouth …. Lie.
Yep, police spend about 60% of Academy training on the use of force and weapons training, the other 40% is centered on how to become an effective liar.
@@frankney8284 SCOTUS, as in the unSupreme Court of the US. What a joke. Sitting all regal and sanctimoniously on a bench in a black dressing gown (robe) with the assumed power to decide what happens to others and never be affected by the laws they interpret for others but not for themselves due to their immunity, which they gave themselves without checking with we the people. The idoelogy and continuation of "Laws for They and not for Me". Take care.
I was in a similar situation, but I’m white. The cop just came up and said something like “oh you’re just target shooting. Your neighbor called, but it’s totally legal till 10pm”, my friend and I both had long guns in our hands and handguns on our hips. All people deserve to be treated like this cop treated me.
Huh? So what if you are white? That means nothing, you had a cool cop, thats all. Stop the victimism shit, ive had bad cops and good cops. And depends on the cop entirely, saying race plays a card on the police force as a whole is simply stupid. Cops are humans, of course they have assholes but u cant fix that, this cops where simply stupid and incompetent by not knowing the law.
Same, was shooting on property I thought was gamelands but was actually private property. Cop came up said “hey guys owner has asked y’all to leave” We promptly packed up and left with no issues. How it should be, guns involved but no escalation of the situation.
I got pulled over with a gun on my hip going over 100mph listening to rap music with my high beams on in Tennessee (I was alone on the highway at 3am). the cop was extremely professional and let me go with a warning.
Those young men did a great job remaining calm, waiting until court to stand up against the officer false claims. You can’t argue with someone who’s obviously abusing their authority, that’s what a judge and jury is for
@@Somberdemure Unfortunately morality and legality do not go hand in hand and is why when it comes to these types of scenarios, one needs to put aside their morality so they have the best legal case once it goes to court.
@@voidvigilante5376 Nope. Do what is right. That is the problem. No one is willing to do the moral thing anymore and the "authorities" know that. Therefore, they will continue to run all over people.
The "where's the weed at" is basically threatening to plant weed on them if they keep being passive normal people not saying their entire names to an unjustified cop. Sickening.
Never trust a cop that tells you to look up a law, ordinance or claims there's a specific law unless they quote it specifically along with the code. They should be required to show them the written law they are accusing them of. In addition, they have to requalify every year in marksmanship and other tactics. They should also requalify with law, ordinance and ethics with undercover testers. If they can't pass they need to go back to the academy.
one told me that on basically this same subject (noise ordinance after me calling them 5 times) when they came to tell me there wasn't anything they could do about my loud neighbors at 1am so I said "I'm glad you mentioned that so let me recite it to ya" as I opened the screenshot of it on my phone and read it to him he seemed irritated that he now had to go do his job and make them turn down the noise.
@@fuckgoogle93 Well, it would be "common sense" to not shoot a few feet from an officer taking a police report. THAT ACTUALLY IS common sense. You're acting as though the cop had no reason to investigate this.
You cannot be detailed unless the Officer Of The Peace has Reasonable Articulable Suspicion of a crime. You are not required to identify unless you are under arrest. Your anonymity is precious which is why the Constitution protects it.
@@USMC6976 Is there a source for this? If love to see the justice served on that. America can't be all about our 2nd amendment rights and then on the flip side act all fucked up when citizens actually exercise that right. Edit: probably should have finished the video before commenting lol
Accused: "Is it illegal to shoot on my property?" Officer: "It is when you scare the hell out of me! Eek!" Should've just asked them to not be loud, and not shoot at night, with a warning on the municipality's disturbing the peace ordinance. Once their ownership was confirmed, it was a wrap. Let them loose. Also, don't make up laws to win an argument. It's a bad look, and makes you look stupid in front of someone versed in the law.
@@R.E.-Gato I would have been fearful, too, if I'd been there to take a report of possible stalking. Most of you are acting as though she shouldn't have investigated the shots, even AFTER the female property owner says she doesn't know what or who fired the gunshots.
The fact that first information relayed was that she has “2 black males” explains a lot of why she was convinced that these people were dangerous criminals. She didn’t offer a description of their clothing, age, or any other discerning feature. The purpose of saying that was not to provide relevant information but rather to highlight why she was convinced of wrongdoing despite no apparent crime having been committed. If these guys had been 2 white Iraq war vets in their 30s shooting on their property she would have immediately put her gun away and apologized for the misunderstanding because she would have had respect for them. Instead she says “where’s the weed at” because she is fishing for a cause to arrest them. The fact that she words it like that instead of “where is the weed” is because she thinks they need to be talked to in a different way. It’s the same reason the other officer calls them “cuz” as he lies about the law. They think they can violate their rights, lie about the law, treat them like criminals, and get away with it because they are cops and these guys are “2 black males”.
2:31 That's not what she means by _"When it's this dark"_ concerning being illegal to target shoot on private property. What she means is their *_skin_* is _"too dark."_ Point-blank. Listen to everytine she says _"dark"_ in this new context, and the whole thing makes sense. She's racist.
All they're Looking for is a Payday. Why take up Police departments Time other than to waste Everyone's Time. This is why the Courts are Full. All the time they took from everyone. One Day You All maybe needing the Police but They will be with Wasting their Time somewhere else.
I understand the deputy's actions up to a point. Hearing gun shots in the dark certainly requires an investigation. However, once it was clear it was just two residents and nothing nefarious was up, the situation should have ended right then and there. That she kept it going and called in for back up having detained two "black males" with a firearm speaks volumes as to her motivation and lack of professionalism. I hope these kids win their cases and get a huge payday.
@JoeM in the US if the race is not given, assume black. If the race is given it will be if it is a white or hispanic. Not racist, it just happens that way.
I agree with everything you said until you said huge payday .it's our money not the scumbag cops. I'd rather see the cops do ten years in prison .we taxpayers foot the bill for this crap.
Not only do we need to end qualified immunity, we need to start doubling the penalties for crimes committed by law enforcement while on duty, in uniform, driving squad cars, or otherwise representing themselves as law enforcement
People dont understand how that works tho. If you get rid of QI every cop in every city and state would immediatley have lawsuits pending over the most frivilous stuff, traffic tickets, actual legal stops and citations. Not every cop does their job poorly, but getting rid of QI would make every cop a target. The courthouses would be clogged up within days from the lawsuits. Not to mention it would mean their personal info gets out, and people could even show up to their homes. You wanna stop this kind of police behavior we need to 100% no exceptions REQUIRE bodycams. From the time they clock in till they clock out, and if they break this rule prosecute them. I fuckin guarentee this shit would clear up quick if that were the case.
Weird how the first cop decides they have bad attitudes when they very clearly did everything they were lawfully to do calmly, immediately, and without resistance or complaint . . . but then chose not to answer her questions to her satisfaction, as is their right. They did absolutely everything they were supposed to do, and she STILL decides they were "uncooperative" and "causing trouble."
She's a champion of deliberately evading proper questions, such as 'What am I being detained for?' You could ask her 100 times, and she'd never answer once.
"OK.....ALRIGHT......" Great condescending response, officer. Well, im not sure if she was being condescending or if that was just mental re***dation..
@@bartc1240 citizens are required to know all the laws especially archaic laws that are still on the books yet trained officers don't have to know the most basic laws of their state. This shows that QI is being used to shield officers from everything down to negligence. QI in my opinion was for errors officers made when in high pressure situations and dealing with multiple problems in an active emergency. How can you use QI for blatantly breaking the law or in some cases causing bodily harm to an individual that was innocent.
She saw two black guys with guns and nearly wet her pants lol. She definitely shouldn’t be a fckin cop. Maybe a security gaurd at the mail will suit her better.
And he was a sergeant. He either didn't know he's not in a stop and ID state, or he was fine lying about the law because he didn't fear any repercussions.. both options are awful
That's a stupid cop on multiple levels. "I went in to investigate without backup after hearing gunshots." "You can't discharge a firearm at night" So if someone defends their home they can be charged for firing a firearm because the sun set?
At 1st I was thinking that the police had a point investigating these two, but then the police started lying trying to frame them and demonstrated a misunderstanding of multiple laws. It's crazy
They are , given a test, before they can become, a officer, as to how well they can lie. Good liars are promoted more. Because that is the law of the land, in America.
That's why it is they often go to the rather nebulous smoke screen tactic of, "suspicious activity". It says nebulous as trying to catch cigarette smoke floating in the air to prove somebody was smoking where they shouldn't be. And the other problem is they end up costing their department so much money because they are too busy chasing that smoke through the air and over the cliff. They don't realize that they're now falling until they have to pay that $50,000 fine from the department's budget. Which then means that the department has to cut the number of police that they put on the street. What you're looking at is the arbitrary and capricious actions of criminals who claim that they're following the law and enforcing the law. These are not peace officers, these are enforcers of arbitrary and capricious statutes. There's a difference between the law of the land and statute. The statute is submissive to the law. Period!
@@jeanjackson7754 and that's why I say. It's about time that we start reviving The Spirit of 1775, because a week and a half after those events the American revolution started. I wonder why that happened?
If you can’t discharge your weapon at night how do you defend yourself if a predator comes onto your property at night?? If someone complained about the noise that’s one thing but nobody did.
Love these young men for doing what is right. Exercising their rights including their 2A and then standing up for their rights in the face of rogue law enforcement. More young people should learn like these guys did. As for the cops… stop inventing laws and pretending you know what you’re talking about when you don’t. Shameful.
@@anti-ethniccleansing465 They sued for more than that but you just wanted to nic pick ANYTHING to have something negative to say about them y’all are weird
Just another example of don’t ever call the cops for help. They make almost every situation worse. This female cop thinks she rules the world and has the right to harass lawful people, demand their ID, threaten to lock them up for no reason and is generally disrespectful and incredibly rude.
it's amazing how much a 250 year piece of paper holds so much weight today,..hopefully, unlike the Romans, we don't stay stuck in the past and implode upon ourselves trying desperately to cling to a lifestyle that cannot exist in this day and age.
Ignorance of the law is no excuse for us regular folks. But sadly the Supreme Court has ruled that cops do not have to know the laws they enforce. As long as they say they thought they were enforcing a law then they are covered. So they enforce their feelings instead and just claim ignorance. With QI as a shield they will continue to operate this way. But in a tech age like ours, where everyone has a smart phone and can literally google their state statutes, the cops have no honest leg to stand on. This isn’t 1950 where many cops didn’t have radios and were out their winging it. These guys have radios, cellphones and onboard computer systems. There’s no excuse for a cop to make a bogus arrest when all the info they need about the laws they enforce is at their fingertips, on the spot, while still in the field. It’s absolutely disgraceful.
"Stop and ID state" is not a basic legal term. You won't find that term in any legal document. It's used a lot in RUclips videos and on the internet. It's not used at all in the practice of law.
@@ajm5007 Stop and identify statutes are very common and well a established term in 4th amendment arguments. Certainly not limited to RUclips videos, wtf
@@BlackPsuedicide I'm an actual attorney and the term "stop and identify" is VERY rarely used when discussing those laws. In fact, since different laws require people to identify in different circumstances, generally the SPECIFIC law in question will be referred to by title, code section, or subject matter. Go ahead and read some actual legal documents or legal scholarship. You won't find the term "stop and identify state" being used very often, and never in the law itself.
@@redgringrumboldt8983 there is no proper legal term because there is no such thing as a "stop and identify" statute or state. Instead, different states have different laws on when and how people must identify themselves to law enforcement. Some such laws require only that the officer have ras to conduct and investigation, while others require an actual arrest. And there's plenty of other laws in between.
I fail to see the racism. I don’t like cops at all. Never will. But she asking where the weed is, seems more like stereotyping. Believing all black youth smoke and possess weed is stereotyping. Right? I mean correct me if I’m wrong. If she walked up and said where’s the bbq? It’s just stereotyping. Idk. Maybe I’m wrong.
Who says they even knew the deputy was there? They obviously couldn’t see each other. I get it, you’re on a call at night and hear gun shots..that’s not the most comforting thing but as a police officer you can’t go around assuming everyone is out to get you and everyone is a criminal. Doing your job scared is dangerous. Very. Doing it in a very alert frame of mind is better.
As soon as she figured out they were just shooting at targets, she shoulda let them go. I totally get finding out where the shots are coming from and why, but when it's clear that they haven't broken a law, that's when ya break contact.
@@cdogthehedgehog6923 yep. You’re exactly right. You don’t keep a citizen detained until you can find something to arrest them for. Once you find out your chief concern has been satisfied, you let them go. I get so tired of seeing officers doing stupid shit like that. It makes all officers look bad. Some officers actually obey the same laws they uphold. Real Law’s. Not made up Law’s.
it's the way they're trained. it fosters an us vs them mentality. Add in the Christian foot soldier/ Lion - lamb shit, and you get cowardly cops. Seriously, look at some of the most popular cop trainers, it's a weird mix of Christian militarism
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I'm note sure that case law matter to the extent that the police rely on it. Read the law and ask, if they violate their policies or training do they lose QI?
@@Nickle314 that's a good point. Generally police don't know about precedents in court. It's the courts job to sort out
There first has to be a complainant before anything can be done at all. The police cannot be the complainant. They have to be given a warning first, that means no ticket or arrest. This wouldn't have even been an arrest or a citation even if the cops knew the law, it would have never even gone to court.
How would a court find them in violation of the noise ordinance?
@@breathofdifferentair1950 Not quite my point. They police say they can commit any violation if there is no case law. 13:23 in to the video
It's the bit at 13:25.
A right is clearly established when it is "sufficiently clear that every reasonable official would have understood that what he is doing violates that right"
So if the policy policy is clear, and the officer has signed to say he has read that policy, then does something different that violates someone's right, my take is a reasonable official would understand they are violating rights. That extends it beyond precedent.
@@KingPopinLockin there is not a chance in hell you are correct on this.
You give person a gun, two extra magazines, a taser, a night stick, pepper spray, and handcuffs, and you send them out to enforce laws they don’t understand. That is extremely dangerous to the public and grossly irresponsible.
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Not u derstand IG the law is intentional. The Supreme Court stated cops can’t be expected to know all the laws. Why you ask? That way it’s difficult to hold them accountable for violating them!!
@@darscassel Then how can they arrest someone if they don’t know the law? They could have just said “we’re not sure if this is illegal”. Their ignorance can ruin peoples lives.
@@darscassel they should be expected to learn at least common sense laws like those involved in this clip. Fir example, refusing to identify and shooting a firearm at night. The cops are incorrect on both offenses!
Omg it’s terrifying. They just feed off of each others ignorance too. God help us.
"Keep being smart, you're gonna go to jail tonight" so you're going to take them to jail because you don't like how they're talking to you? After you falsely detain them for doing something completely legal on THEIR property? She doesn't deserve to be a cop
These are the type of cops that stay with the police force for a long time 🤮🤮🤮
@@tripvic7629 those are the type of cops I don’t feel bad about when I hear they got eviscerated by some hot fast moving lead.
Always feelings and ego with police smh.
@@Sneaky5.sl0w. true
@@Sneaky5.sl0w. I’d rather them lose their job and any possibility of another job that is publicly funded.
One of the arrested men vaguely remembered the lack of a stop and ID law in the state and asked about it. Turns out that was a higher level of knowledge on the local laws then the police had......absolutely shameful
Awesome last name!
Right, smh you have to know the the law or they’ll make something up to get their way
These POLICE OFFICERS are used to dealing with SHEEPLE & DULLARDS.
Why dont schools teach kids their Constitutional rights?? Its amazing we have to know algebra but not shit that REALLY matters like our rights....!
@@throatpunch4789 They do. In High School. US Law. We went through the constitution and the laws relevant to citizens. However it's only taught senior year in VA for some reason.
"Keep on getting smart and youll end up going to jail" this type of threat should absolutely be illegal and should end up with them in jail and being banned permeantly
Policing by emotion not law. It's how most officers operate along with a massive ignorance of the laws they are supposed to uphold.
The VERY FIRST mistake by the police...."keep getting smart and you'll go to jail". That cop should be FIRED. You can't arrest someone for "being smart". The cop can't control her feelings and if you can't do that, you shouldn't be doing the job.
What she meant was being disrespectful and having a smart alec behavior, and you form an argument like a 12 year old arguing with their mom lol.
@@redraider4b40 ....maybe I should have slowed this down for the idiots. I know what her intent was....her inability to de-escalate the situation or calmly assess the situation instead of making impulsive empty threats off the jump, highlights her inability to do her job.
@@redraider4b40 Unfortunately what she meant and what she actually said are two completely different things - very different legally too. Love the way you back a cop acting very badly.
Exactly
@@redraider4b40 what law is being disrespectful?
This deputy is the exact reason people don’t like police. She is an absolute tyrant. Especially when she pulls out the “Where’s the weed at?” Pathetic.
No black people don't need guns remember 5th amendment says everybody but black people can't have guns you know I'm being sarcastic right
There once was a farmer & a merchant who had stalls across from each other. He was a cabbage farmer, the merchant an apple salesman. The merchant had a giant tub of good apples, & the farmer would come buy 1 everyday. But 1 day, he saw a bad apple on top. 'That's nothing, easily ignorable.' He thought as he got his apple & went on his way. Business was good for both. But the next day, the farmer saw 5 more bad apples on top. 'Oh, this is fine, just bad luck.'. One less person came to the merchant that day. The very next, there was 11 more bad ones. 'Surely Merchant is just having bad luck.' So farmer told him about the bad apples on top. Merchant, appalled at the thought that he could have bad apples, exclaimed "These are good apples! I will keep them & defend them!". But less people came that day. Over the next few days, more and more bad apples were piled on top, making it harder & harder to see any of the good ones. Try as he might, Farmer could not get Merchant to see reason. "These are good apples! I will keep & defend them!" This went on until 1 day... no one came by except Farmer. The tub of good apples now looked like sludge that stank & no one wanted to see. Customers were starting to want to kick him out of the market. Confused, Merchant asked Farmer, "What is wrong with my apples? They are good? You just have to dig through the other ones?" Farmer, shaking his head sadly, replied, "Merchant, you cannot keep the bad ones, they will drive people away..." but Merchant replied, "These are my apples, I will keep & defend them!". Unable to see reason, Farmer took him over to his cabbage stall. None of them were bad, sure, some were oddly shaped, some were small, but none were rotten. Business was good for Farmer. Confused, Merchant asked, "How do you keep them so good?" To which Farmer chuckled: "I take the bad ones & make them into fertilizer, so new, good cabbages can grow! If you keep the bad ones, it makes the rest look horrible, & no one will like them."
Now if only police departments could be more like Farmer, instead of keeping & defending the bad cops, make the bad cops examples of what not to be. There'd be less bad ones, & people would be more trusting of them.
@@smusky4643 no one’s reading that shit
@@smusky4643 I agree we should throw the sludge cops into a mulcher. The new cops will learn from the sight.
@@smusky4643 It's also more that bad apples don't just obscure the good ones, but actively spoil them as well like a plague until the good are pretty much all turned just as bad as the original bad influences
That “where’s the weed at” really pissed me off like you’re literally making stuff up lady
They were black males with firearms. As far as cops and racist in general are concerned that means they have drugs on them
True they can smoke weed all they want
Agreed. Unless she wanted a hit, there’s no need to assume that they have weed based on them being young black men. Well outside of being racist…
@@Jamesfrancosdog Nah, cops are taking growth hormone and opioids.
Typical woman behavior...
ABOLISHING QUALIFIED IMMUNITY WOULD MAKE COPS PAY ATTENTION TO WHAT IS LAW AND WHAT IS NOT. AS LONG AS THEY KNOW THEY'RE COVERED NO MATTER WHAT THEY DO...THEY WILL KEEP ON BREAKING THE LAW.
Exactly. Speaking of exactly, google 'incarceration in the united states wiki'. When you see the graph shoot up, that's exactly when America became a police state.
Also disbanding police unions.
Lol cops get arrested for breaking the law all the time.
@@CaptainRockoBD getting arrested doesn’t mean you’ll get found guilty.
@@CaptainRockoBD well most of the time they loose their jobs and thats it. Which is ridiculous and wrong. A cop can break several laws that would get a citize convicted and sentenced to prison, and the cop will walk scot free most of the time and only losing their job.
"Oops, I didn't know what I was doing was illegal" should never be a legal excuse for cops unless it is equally a legal excuse for citizens.
I heard of laws that said not knowing the law doesn't allow you to break it legally.
as they will tell us ignorance of the law is NO EXCUSE
@@charliekeeling5317 That's what I was trying to say. It should also apply to the Police more so because it's their job to enforce the laws.
@@RollingThunder808 police have qualified immunity. It's ok if they don't know all the laws
Ignorance of the law is not an excuse for regular citizens.
This was a wild one.
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"You're being identified until I can identify who you are...."
“Where’s the weed at”
Ur vids take up like 2 hours of my day every day
@@ramon1029 that shot blew me & acting all scarred on the back up calls escalating tf outta it
The female cop flat lied about seeing them fire in the air. So now she looses all credibility and every person she arrested throughout her career should have their cases vacated.
Also said how stupid it is for them to shoot when a cop is there. Looked like she was a couple houses down and they were in the back, doubt they knew she was even there
To go to such extremes is crazy, definitely worth reviewing her cases tho and if they depend on her word alone, then it gives a chances to be overturned.
He didn't JUST say she SAW it, she says she has it on video!
@@ThePersonToBlame They always take a cop's word even when there is video. Imagine how bad it was before video.
Yup wait for a good lawyer to chew her ass up on a cross examination
"You're being identified until I can identify you and then see if you're also clear."
"Where's the weed at?"
I swear cops just have a record that skips the same old nonsense over and over.
"You're being identified so I can identify you"
This shows it is a 100% emotional response, rather than a tactful one.
She is the problem.
2:31
That's not what she means by _"When it's this dark"_ concerning being illegal to target shoot on private property. What she means is their *_skin_* is _"too dark."_ Point-blank.
Listen to everytine she says _"dark"_ in this new context, and the whole thing makes sense. She's racist.
Not sure if you're familiar with the term "sundown town," but this whole interaction definitely harkens back to an ugly part of American history that directly relates with your comment.
Sundown Towns were places that explicitly excluded non-whites after sunset, and even beyond those towns, countless innocent black folks were historically arrested for doing any sort of otherwise normal business "after dark," whether that was purchasing or selling goods, walking outdoors, talking "loudly", etc. It became so bad that any criminal charges labeled "[mundane activity] after dark" was understood to actually mean "[mundane activity] while Black." @@darrene.vonbraun4421
Why laughed at that part like, “whaet ma’am?”
They don't identify you to know who you are. They put your information in a database so that when there is an actual offense committed they have a possible suspect. That way they don't have to "figure out what's going on."
"Can't shoot on my property?"
"Whose property is it?"
"My property."
"Whose"
"My property"
"Is it in your name?"
"Might be"
You're the one that got smart lady. You ignored "MY PROPERTY" three times.
Agreed. At a certain point, I stop trying to communicate when it becomes clear that the other party is purposefully not engaging in good faith. I do it to my boss, my coworkers, even my husband and my mom might get a monotone series of "okay"s, "understood"s, and "that's fine"s when I quit on a conversation, so why would some random cop be special?
Stupid is as stupid does.
AGREE !! God complex in authority will only cause problems
Well, a lot of people, kids / adult children for example, will say it's their property, when it's really in the name of a parent or grandparent.
@@wvrjl Then don't ask the same question 5 times first.
Soon as she said "where's the weed at" you knew she was looking for any excuse to arrest them.
yep, racist pig showed herself
That was racist asf
@@Outerspacejunky yes the cop was definitely racist
I would have told her it's at wherever she kept it... Since she's so convinced that there's weed she probably put it there somewhere.
Officer: "Where's the weed at?"
Kids: "There's no weed here. But there ARE a lot of donuts. Everyone can see them hiding in the seat of your pants . . . ma''am. "
I loved seeing these two young men know the law. That cop was surprised when that young man busted out with "Oh so this is a stop and ID state?" They probably thought that they didn't know the law and they could just tell them whatever they wanted to and not get in trouble for it. I'm glad these young men stuck it to them in the most respectable and upstanding way possible! I hope everything went well for them!
America, where young kids know the laws better then a police sergeant!! It blows my mind every time how bad the knowledge of American cops is…
In this day in age african americans have to learn the laws so they cant be railroaded by BS charges when the police feel like accusing them of stuff.
Quota Hires.
They have to. They have consequences if they break the law, police don't.
@@ksfallenangel5770 and in this day and age the cops don’t have to learn the laws because they can do whatever they want and get away with it thanks to qualified immunity.
@@dermagnus8482 - If "Quota hires" is in response to the female officer in particular, the SCOTUS declared affirmative action quotas illegal in the 1980's. Any legal affirmative action program can only consider things like sex, race, ethnicity, etc. when considering candidates who are already in the qualified applicant pool. Those traits can't be used to put candidates in the qualified applicant pool, let alone to give unqualified applicants a position. And again, quotas are illegal.
Also, there were two male officers who also misrepresented the law in that jurisdiction.
"I have it on camera that you discharged your firearms in the air"
Says the cop who had to walk around several vehicles, a garage, and boat, and continue to call out for them to show themselves, before actually seeing the two men.
Corruption at its finest
“Where’s the weed at?”🤦🏽♀️🤦🏽♀️ she’s so nervous she don’t know what to say. Fuckinng goofy!
She is a super tyrant and a huge liar.
She could have meant that she had the shots on camera (she did) and that he admitted shooting guns into the air. That means he admitted to a class 4 felony, reckless discharge of a firearm.
@@brandonhebert5485 a cow could be a horse but it isn't.
Major props to these guys. They were shooting firearms when a cop showed up making laws and STILL stood by there rights. Awesome video, was hoping you’d cover this after seeing it on Lacklusters channel. You guys both do great work
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They did VERY good but i dont like how they asked that bitch "we cant shoot out here?" I wish they would have kept silent and let her make a fool of herself.
I'm sure you'd just love to be their neighbors.
They violated the noise ordinance, cops were in the right to demand they ID themselves.
@@jaimhaas5170 HAHAHA😅 i hear that! I love guns 🇺🇸just as much as anybody but those guys blasting off 12 gauge shotguns at bedtime with work in the morning....... CRAZY!!😂
Why do SO MANY cops not understand their states stop and ID laws?
They always think they can demand someone to ID themselves. This needs to be day 1 of academy training nationally going forward.
She was terrified the whole time... she needs a desk job.
I agree She wasn't able to maintain her composure or keep her fear in check yeah she definitely needs a desk job she's not qualified for the field.
This is a little known statistic but most female officers end up at the desk job after a year in the field
Most cops do.
I once called 911 for a buddy with a broken leg. I was talking with dispatch when an unrequested officer showed up to assist put his gun on me for having a suspicious cell phone.....
The phone I was talking to dispatch with cause rural NH gps wasn't a thing yet.
I’m not pro cop by any means but any reasonable person would be a bit scared with random shots going off and you can’t see where they were coming from. Everyone wants to get home to their family.
Right and then ask where the weed at.
@@TheRizzlyBear21 Any reasonable person would read the room and see these two, were not scared, acting as if they weren't committing any crime more like the acted if felt legally justified in what they were doing, and reasonably complying with orders though they didn't say yes master so I guess how an un reasonable person would still be a bit scared after reading the room at that point.
When she said “where’s the weed at” out of nowhere I was stunned. Making it blatantly obvious she only cares about getting an arrest. I would have had a hard time staying silent.
07:45 when the officer said “CUZ” had me heated
Lol. Guess she got her arrest!
It also costed her dumbass too!
I hope both men got everything they asked for.
That officer, including the other officers that responded too, should have to turn in their guns and badges. That’s only my opinion tho!
To me, if you’re an officer of the law, and you violate the public’s rights, get charged, get sued, & loose; (to me), that should come with an AUTOMATIC FORFEITURE of your job, weapon(s), & your badges.
You’re actually costing the ppl MORE MONEY by NOT SERVING the ppl in which you’re job entitles you to do. IJS tho!
Yeah, if it were two good ol boys out shooting and drinking beer... The cops would probably have had one with them and told them to keep it down.
I assumed she smelled it
@@B_Bodziak bullshit cops always be smell "weed"
It's bad enough that the first cop doesn't know the law, but the fact that the supervisors were unaware that you can't simply demand ID for no reason is mind-boggling. The one sergeant literally didn't know the phrase "stop and ID." They just give these goobers guns and turn them loose on the public without any idea of what constitutional rights are.
didn’t the supervisor as well say that you can’t fire a gun at night
@@samh3239 DIDN'T THE NARRATOR SAY ITS NOT A CRIME?????? DUMB ASS COPS...
@@samh3239 yup. they lie and get away with it
@@samh3239 "once the sun goes down you can't shoot anymore!"
Lmfao, i guess you can shoot later in the summer then, at winter you better stop at 5 pm 🤣
"Goober". THANKS! Ah, nostalgia is sweet. Also, absolutely true.
Judges will tell us ignorance of the law is no excuse but then will give immunity to cops if they violate rights they didn’t know we have
For citizens ignorance is not an excuse & they are required to know the law at all times in the area or State they are at or in. For officers ignorance is allowed do to immunity!
💯 truth
For citizens, it is not "know the law". The citizen equivalent of qualified immunity is "standard carelessness". For example, if a bartender spills a beer on a customer, the bar owner pays because this is standard carelessness, and a normal part of the job. On the other hand, if a bartender is annoyed with the customer and throws a beer on them, the bartender pays because of gross negligence.
federal law is different then state laws. i see state laws total 180° different then federal. like US code 18 chapter 2 (part 1) aircraft and motor vehicles, 31 (definitions) paragraph 6 (motor vehicle) and paragraph 10 ( used for commerical purposes). compare your local state law to the federal law.
Due*
They act with impunity,
Cuz of qualified immunity!
First thing I noticed, when she aproached them after hearing the gunshots;
She didn't identify herself as police before she ordered them to show their hands!
To them, all they can see is a flashlight of a person they don't know, so a possible intruder!
That was the FIRST thing she did wrong
Good catch. I didn't even notice that.
Yep, that is how police officer get shot, and armed citizens go to prison for life.
She did not identify herself as a cop in hopes she could murder 1 or more of these people.. I believe they purposely fail to identify themselves as cops so murdering black people will be seen as justified. A tiny bit of justification is all cops need to get away with murder.
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It escalated so quickly, I didn't even notice.
Definitely a good catch. I missed that one as well
We NEED to get rid of qualified immunity so cops can be held accountable. They can do what doctors do and buy their own malpractice insurance.
The stupid thing is they already _have_ insurance.
How did that work out for doctors? Badly, right? Very, very badly. Instead of the doctor getting fired, for causing a huge lawsuit against the hospital, now they just file a claim with the insurance and nothing happens to the doctor to correct their behavior. Ending QI will also end the ability to find the police department liable. The police department can't file bankruptcy on the judgment but the cop can, and immediately will.
@@Tijuanabill You're kidding, right? If someone files a claim against your malpractice insurance, your rate goes up. If your rate goes up, you become more of a liability against the hospital. If you're too liable, you get fired and no hospital will hire you.
@@slimeboy3 Your theory is perfectly sound. I can't argue with it, in any way. But reality doesn't align with the theory. Reality is, doctors are in high demand, and the list of former doctors who still want to be doctors, has about a dozen names on it. The worst of the worst go from state to state, and repeatedly are given new chances.
@@Tijuanabill bad doctors are rejected by the system much sooner than bad cops.
It's amazing how many of these cops don't understand the difference between the ability to ask and the authority to compel. It's something so easy to understand and explain that there's no reason for it
But as long as PD's don't train well enough there'll be 6-7-8 figure settlements
"You"re being identified so I can identify you" quality police work there
That's what you get when your only requirement is a high school diploma and 6 months training
@@bloodshotred6334 I went through like 4.5 in the military and only had a high-school diploma...her iq is just bad lmao
@@bloodshotred6334 GED and 6 months training (maybe).
Man they need to up education requirements
Right up there with "you're committing suspicious activity". 🤣🤣🤣
She also never announced herself as a cop when she first started yelling about putting the gun down. She coulda got her wig peeled back!!
And rightfully so. Legally also, i think.
I cannot believe that people can remain calm in that situation, especially on private property!
That's awesome wig peeled back
"Where's the weed at?" At that point I would not speak another word to that officer as she has no respect and does not even deserve a pleasant conversation.
That and the other officer calling him cuz
@@dc7993 yeah isn't that the height of professionalism?
@@dc7993 "You ain't family and if you were you'd be disowned."
She just wanted a toke. She was feeling stressed I bet.
I love these guys. They know the cops are straight cappin and laughing about it. Didn't budge either. Respect.
The judge gets an F- for invoking qualified immunity and ruling that the case was merit less. The judge should be disbarred and imprisoned.
I think it would have been the officers lawyers who brought up qualified immunity, and legally speaking quite effectively because it basically assured his clients success. That said the idea of qualified immunity is gross, and I’m disappointed the Supreme Court made that ruling, yet I’m not surprised. But to my point it wouldn’t be the judge who makes that decision, especially a lower court judge, he simply has to apply the existing case law.
There needs to be some repercussions for judges who side against the law on rulings. Especially when their ruling gets over turned in a higher court.
@@killingmonkey11 Agreed, there needs to be a far more legitimate process to review judges decisions by someone that isn’t part of the process or accountable to these judges. We need something like a peer review process, but without having their buddies in the ranks.
Nah he gets a Z.
I fucking hate that bullshit…this is why people kill cops and I don’t blame them
She can't believe that these people and family members own this amount of land
WEll at this point in time it is rare. Because america has never liked 'those' people owning anything. Meanwhile they gave free land to people who just walked off ellis island.
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That's not what she means by _"When it's this dark"_ concerning being illegal to target shoot on private property. What she means is their *_skin_* is _"too dark."_ Point-blank.
Listen to everytine she says _"dark"_ in this new context, and the whole thing makes sense. She's racist.
I don't know if the family here is poor or not, but it is very common for people of any economic background to own a good chunk of family-inherited land in rural SC. In a place like Winnsboro you can't even sell it. No one wants it.
@@jamess7745 It's not common for black people to own a "good chunk" of family inherited land. It's just a slither now. Especially with all the racially charged plunder under heirs property rules.
@@darrene.vonbraun4421 yeah, you're reaching trying to find something racist here.
1) Never announced herself as a law enforcement officer on private property while pointing a weapon at residents.
2) Made up a law that you "cannot shoot a firearm after dark."
3) Arrested instead of given a warning.
4) By law the men didn't have to ID.
Glad they sued.
Exactly on their family property I wouldn’t be mad if they shot
@@ashs1491 I wouldn't say that.
@@MissionaryInMexico lol ok don’t.
Restraining orders to prevent retribution.. which the arrest was.. will kill a kop 'career'
@@ashs1491 I won't.
This is a great example of why people dont like to call or involve police. These guys swore an oath to uphold laws they dont even know.
"Once the sun go' down you can't discharge a firearm"
That law just sounds like something parents tell their kids to keep them from doing things. I haven't laughed as hard in a long time lmfao
Probably confused hunting at night laws with discharging a firearm. Police shouldn’t be confused.
@@michaeldehart8620 that’s a massive confusion, so that definitely didn’t happen, she definitely just made that shit up.
@@michaeldehart8620 u cant hunt at night in america? You suposed to hunt animals wich are nocturnal in day time? Sounds a bit insane to me
@@Tristan-42069 you can shoot some animals at night, like feral pigs, for example. In Southern states there are hundreds of farms plagued by them and people use thermal and other night vision sights to kill them after dark.
Why does the Sun have anything to do with anything. When we as people make laws based on the actions of a Star, we know we are in trouble.
Sometimes I think police officers become police officers because they felt powerless in their earlier life. The police woman sounded like a frightened child. I like it when healthy minded people become police officers to genuinely protect and serve, not to prove something or with some vendetta.
👌You make absolute sense.
Fact, yes! Cops either were bullied or have always been bullies.
Without a doubt.
Wow, it's almost as if she heard gunshots going at the dead of the night and it was her duty to investigate those gunshots herself or something. You'd be shitting yourself too.
Sadly, the "healthy minded young people" don't STAY police officers. If you don't fit in with the "thin blue line" mindset, you either quit or are driven out of the police force. And intelligent people almost never stay cops for long, instead going on to become lawyers or other legal professionals like paralegals. But don't take my word for it, that was the entire reasoning behind New London's refusal to hire a man because he was "too smart" in _Jordan v. New London, Conn._
“It’s wrong to shoot at night when a deputy is out here taking a report”
What makes her think they even knew she was there?😒
Was thinking that lol they’re just supposed to know a cop is over on the other street? They will make up anything
because she's the main character
What makes her think it's wrong to shoot a gun at night?
Then she lied and said she saw them when she was clearly "taking a report."
Idiot lady.
Awful conduct. They make it so easy to dislike them and they breed anger and resentment when they act unreasonably while gaslighting these people with made up laws. Its abuse
She says "don't act smart" like she's talking to children.
My response would have been, “I’m not acting, ma’am.” That’d piss her off
Also, that policewoman and the policemen composed their own laws while on duty. Better is that those [black] citizens be smart instead of stupid
Why not? You're acting dumb!
That’s how cops talk most of the time
She was talking down to them and had an attitude the entire time. Not a shred of professionalism or even basic decency communicating with another human being.
"ABOLISH QUALIFIED IMMUNITY"
The ignorance of these cops blows my mind. To think that citizen must provide ID any time a cop ask for it is asinine. Seriously sounds like Nazi Germany give me your papers. And the fact that a sergeant said that was the law when he was not even aware of what the law truly is blows my mind. Sounds like these two guys are about to get paid! And I hope it's multi-millions don't ask for a small number!
Police are habitual lyres. The police don’t want you to know any laws or your rights . It’s much easier to control you and make you do whatever they want you to do. Informed people are not as fearful. Police want you intimated and afraid
Yep. And as a liberal activist, targeted for my politics, I've personally experienced online harassment and offline *violence* by law enforcement. Def nazi sh
I agree 💯 you got my vote.
if cops knew the laws there would be less lawsuits, but cop union dont understand that,,so make em pay
yeah lets let innocent officers get lumped in with the baddies. some do exist, only following dept orders and training. its not QI that is the problem, but WHEN it is applicable and how it is applied. i.e. a gun is inanimate, does not kill people. people kill people. but lets ban guns, then no killing ever again, right? not logical. you have took at why officers need protection from hostile actions when the dept. is ultimately responsible, not Joe Cop.
did you know K-9's actually have more rights than human cops? QI definitely protects these officers even tho they frequently make mistakes, but it is not their fault. they were trained from "hire" to do certain things. sometimes they goof, overreact, indicate wrong things, bite subjects excessively hard trying to detain a subject
“Do what the police tell you…” “Never argue with police…” “Comply and take it to court…” *Taken to court, no Justice.
Yeap. Been there many times. Even when there's an abundance of evidence to show innocence. Court is just as corrupt as the police.
Get inside the train!
That's why there's laws that allow you to defend yourself from crazy cops threatening your life by pointing scary guns at you for no lawful reason
Know you’re rights!!!
@@wyneccajohnson7621 *your not you're.
Wow! She has no problem blatantly lying about "seeing" them firing in the air, and then starts fishing for a weed charge. Then the others show the insane tyranny and make up laws. Too much power in their hands has led to them power tripping and ruining lives. End qualified immunity and the tyrants will be weeded out.
I love how when the gunshots were heard that the police person freaked out but the local people didn't even act like anything happened and didn't care. I would imagine the locals' reactions would be a fairly clear sign whether something bad is going on or not.
they didnt even flinch lol, assume they were so use to it they didn't even think about miss cop wetting her pants over backyard shots no where near her lol
When you live out in county it is a daily thing to hear gunshots and not think anything of it. Actually it has desensitized me when I'm in a city or town and hear gunshots. Usually about a 3 count before I'm like "oh right, that's not normal/legal"
@@lancelot0274 yep
i dont agree. theres plenty of locations where residents will continue to sit outside and record active gun fights in their neighborhood.
@@Howdy762 out in the Backcountry?
She's an actual officer (with a gun, badge, and everything) and probably has children in her custody and yet she resorts to false imprisonment and making up laws when people stand by their rights. She should be fired.
No she should have been placed under arrest for pointing a firearm at those men.
@@iknowaguy7176 And trespassing and making up laws on the go and false arrests and stuff.
I am sorry for her children if she has any
Way too many cops actions are based on their feelings not the law. ( I fixed they’re for all of the grammar police btw)
the feelings police
I would have thought using some commonsense, shooting guns in a residential area but I guess that has little to do with the law. if they knew how to do their job, they could had got them for noise ordinance. it is like they hired these people off the street or something.
@@Trip_Ts no one around is complaining ab the noise for all we know, so just cause their ears hurt it don't matter, those ppl would still be in a case with these cops either way
@@reese-tr8sq uh, the cop heard it. you notice the cop ask the lady what was that she said I don't know that give you a clue that is not normal, duh.
@@wiseballs he means their feelings
It's crucial for law enforcement to uphold the integrity of our legal system. Misinformation serves no one.
“ You can’t discharge a weapon after dark “ 😂😂😂🤣🤣 These cops don’t even know the law so how are they aloud to enforce it?
Back2Basic "Make it up as they go" what freedoms?? See the civil rights lawyers channel to learn about warrantless arrests and seizures and probable cause seems to fit every ego enforced arrest handcuffs used!!
It's "allowed" by the way ijs
"We can't punish the officer because no similar case was ever decided, and it will never be since we refuse to properly decide it"
Exactly! It's the most bullshit thing I've ever heard. They need precedent to establish precedent? Make it make sense
Infuriating isn’t it?
So infuriating. How is it these mofos break every f*ing law on the books and that's fine. My husband knocked out my teeth, I called cops and adult protective services. THEY BASICALLY LAUGHED AT ME AND REFUSED TO HELP. I just slap him once, I got a family violence charge. WTF?
One set of rules for them and the opposite for normal people.
Great Video as always ATA! That officer was overly aggressive and let her ego get the best of her. Good on the men for exercising their rights. Another case of law enforcement enforcing feelings and not the law. Disgraceful.
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In this sace is even worse....they were enforcing "THEIR" feelings..... WHat a disgrace!
Emotional people make bad cops.
I think Long Island Audit needs to make a visit to some of these rural South Carolina counties. Fairfield and Kershaw should be on the list.
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So, according to section 16--23-410 the only one who pointed a gun at someone is the police officer. Arrest her.
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Q.I., try again lol xD
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"mmmhmmm" "mmhmmm"
"when you got a deputy out here" except that they didn't know there was a deputy there. "shooting in the air" except that she wasn't sure where the shots came from even. She is just a tad bit jumpy
She was so passive aggressive with it. 🤦🏿♂️
Depends where her car is located. But it’s a silly thing to say.
Unfit for duty. You can investigate without making up laws and being generally ignorant. We kinda want our law enforcement to know the laws right? SMDH
Wow she can see through houses. Impressive.
And this is why it's crucial, for black men especially, to learn the laws that govern their state.
They should absolutely learn the laws inside out and be able to quote case law but sadly I think many cops only see them as criminals that have not yet been caught.
And they love going around and shooting up the neighborhoods at night.
@@kamilegier4730 do you want to educate yourself on the stats? They are far more likely to be the perp.
*people everyone should know their rights because shit like this happens to everyone. Cops know a little more than average about laws than the average person but that certainly doesnt mean theyre right all the time.
@@DirtyStinky the original commenter stated ‘especially’ because of things in this video like the woman cops weed accusations. She would not have made that comment if they were white, even though black and white populations use weed at the same rate
I’ve got it on camera that you were shooting into the air in an unsafe manner … lie
Where’s the weed at ? …. Implying… lie.
Can’t shoot at night …. Lie.
Everything out their mouth …. Lie.
Yep, police spend about 60% of Academy training on the use of force and weapons training, the other 40% is centered on how to become an effective liar.
Perfectly legitimate per SCOTUS
@@frankney8284 SCOTUS, as in the unSupreme Court of the US. What a joke. Sitting all regal and sanctimoniously on a bench in a black dressing gown (robe) with the assumed power to decide what happens to others and never be affected by the laws they interpret for others but not for themselves due to their immunity, which they gave themselves without checking with we the people. The idoelogy and continuation of "Laws for They and not for Me". Take care.
I was in a similar situation, but I’m white. The cop just came up and said something like “oh you’re just target shooting. Your neighbor called, but it’s totally legal till 10pm”, my friend and I both had long guns in our hands and handguns on our hips. All people deserve to be treated like this cop treated me.
Huh? So what if you are white? That means nothing, you had a cool cop, thats all. Stop the victimism shit, ive had bad cops and good cops. And depends on the cop entirely, saying race plays a card on the police force as a whole is simply stupid. Cops are humans, of course they have assholes but u cant fix that, this cops where simply stupid and incompetent by not knowing the law.
Same, was shooting on property I thought was gamelands but was actually private property. Cop came up said “hey guys owner has asked y’all to leave” We promptly packed up and left with no issues. How it should be, guns involved but no escalation of the situation.
I got pulled over with a gun on my hip going over 100mph listening to rap music with my high beams on in Tennessee (I was alone on the highway at 3am). the cop was extremely professional and let me go with a warning.
I love how one accepts the settlement, then likely split it with the other in exchange for continuing to pursue justice beyond the payout
Those young men did a great job remaining calm, waiting until court to stand up against the officer false claims. You can’t argue with someone who’s obviously abusing their authority, that’s what a judge and jury is for
They have the moral right to defend themselves against imposed authority
@@Somberdemure Unfortunately morality and legality do not go hand in hand and is why when it comes to these types of scenarios, one needs to put aside their morality so they have the best legal case once it goes to court.
@@voidvigilante5376 Nope. Do what is right. That is the problem. No one is willing to do the moral thing anymore and the "authorities" know that. Therefore, they will continue to run all over people.
You paying the court and lawyer fees?
The "where's the weed at" is basically threatening to plant weed on them if they keep being passive normal people not saying their entire names to an unjustified cop. Sickening.
I came here to comment bout that. Came up to them bout shooting guns but somehow bc they’re black automatically makes them in possession of weed 🤣
Then the other cop called him cuz that caught me off guard.
@@chrishamm7081 i mean, black people do like weed.
jk
@@ferrisbueller9991 I missed the part where that’s funny
that shit was extremely racist
Never trust a cop that tells you to look up a law, ordinance or claims there's a specific law unless they quote it specifically along with the code. They should be required to show them the written law they are accusing them of.
In addition, they have to requalify every year in marksmanship and other tactics. They should also requalify with law, ordinance and ethics with undercover testers. If they can't pass they need to go back to the academy.
the state or county would go broke having half of their officers going back to the acadamy every year
Always saying we need "common sense" gun laws. How about some "common sense" police training?
one told me that on basically this same subject (noise ordinance after me calling them 5 times) when they came to tell me there wasn't anything they could do about my loud neighbors at 1am so I said "I'm glad you mentioned that so let me recite it to ya" as I opened the screenshot of it on my phone and read it to him he seemed irritated that he now had to go do his job and make them turn down the noise.
Even judges and attorneys don't know all of the state and county laws where they practice. They rely on looking up statutes and SC rulings.
@@fuckgoogle93 Well, it would be "common sense" to not shoot a few feet from an officer taking a police report. THAT ACTUALLY IS common sense. You're acting as though the cop had no reason to investigate this.
You cannot be detailed unless the Officer Of The Peace has Reasonable Articulable Suspicion of a crime.
You are not required to identify unless you are under arrest.
Your anonymity is precious which is why the Constitution protects it.
I hope they get paid… These cops need to be made to study actual laws!
One of them settled for $48,000 and the other is still pending court trial.
@@USMC6976 Is there a source for this? If love to see the justice served on that. America can't be all about our 2nd amendment rights and then on the flip side act all fucked up when citizens actually exercise that right.
Edit: probably should have finished the video before commenting lol
Why would they? There is no reason to if nothing happens to them as a result of misconduct.
@@newsoulsam3889 great way to make 48k think about it
@@newsoulsam3889 We all do the same, caught up in emotion and want to comment.
Accused: "Is it illegal to shoot on my property?"
Officer: "It is when you scare the hell out of me! Eek!"
Should've just asked them to not be loud, and not shoot at night, with a warning on the municipality's disturbing the peace ordinance. Once their ownership was confirmed, it was a wrap. Let them loose.
Also, don't make up laws to win an argument. It's a bad look, and makes you look stupid in front of someone versed in the law.
Exactly. You can hear the fear in her voice
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@@R.E.-Gato 🥺🥺
“Keep being smart, you’ll go to jail tonight” bitch wanted to put them in cuffs so bad😵💫🫠
@@R.E.-Gato I would have been fearful, too, if I'd been there to take a report of possible stalking. Most of you are acting as though she shouldn't have investigated the shots, even AFTER the female property owner says she doesn't know what or who fired the gunshots.
She's absolutely JACKED on adrenaline, you can hear it in her voice and how she's stumbling on her words.
Maybe 'Jacked' up on something else, since they do not get drug tested!
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@@americafirst6492 bro who’s gonna be a cop and sober be real 😭😭
I am very proud of these young men!!!
The fact that first information relayed was that she has “2 black males” explains a lot of why she was convinced that these people were dangerous criminals. She didn’t offer a description of their clothing, age, or any other discerning feature. The purpose of saying that was not to provide relevant information but rather to highlight why she was convinced of wrongdoing despite no apparent crime having been committed. If these guys had been 2 white Iraq war vets in their 30s shooting on their property she would have immediately put her gun away and apologized for the misunderstanding because she would have had respect for them. Instead she says “where’s the weed at” because she is fishing for a cause to arrest them. The fact that she words it like that instead of “where is the weed” is because she thinks they need to be talked to in a different way. It’s the same reason the other officer calls them “cuz” as he lies about the law. They think they can violate their rights, lie about the law, treat them like criminals, and get away with it because they are cops and these guys are “2 black males”.
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Amen ❣️
To me she is just a power hungry cop. Didn't matter what color I have seen white men get treated the same.
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That's not what she means by _"When it's this dark"_ concerning being illegal to target shoot on private property. What she means is their *_skin_* is _"too dark."_ Point-blank.
Listen to everytine she says _"dark"_ in this new context, and the whole thing makes sense. She's racist.
All they're Looking for is a Payday. Why take up Police departments Time other than to waste Everyone's Time. This is why the Courts are Full. All the time they took from everyone. One Day You All maybe needing the Police but They will be with Wasting their Time somewhere else.
I understand the deputy's actions up to a point. Hearing gun shots in the dark certainly requires an investigation. However, once it was clear it was just two residents and nothing nefarious was up, the situation should have ended right then and there. That she kept it going and called in for back up having detained two "black males" with a firearm speaks volumes as to her motivation and lack of professionalism.
I hope these kids win their cases and get a huge payday.
This is the deep south, blacks still get lynched for not bowing to massah.
@JoeM in the US if the race is not given, assume black. If the race is given it will be if it is a white or hispanic. Not racist, it just happens that way.
I agree with everything you said until you said huge payday .it's our money not the scumbag cops. I'd rather see the cops do ten years in prison .we taxpayers foot the bill for this crap.
This is by far one of the best RUclips channels, for this subject matter jurisdiction!
Kudos to those two young men they did an outstanding job standing up for their rights!
don't you mean "standing on their rights"? i don't see them fighting in a battlefield sacrificing life and limb to defend anything.
@@lilpenguin092 get a load of this guy 🤣
@@lilpenguin092 most cringe thing I’ve read all day
@@lilpenguin092 Why don't you do that instead of telling people that over the internet Mr. Joe Patriot?
Qualified immunity promotes police tyranny.
Institute for Justice has a great podcast series about Qualified Immunity.
Not only do we need to end qualified immunity, we need to start doubling the penalties for crimes committed by law enforcement while on duty, in uniform, driving squad cars, or otherwise representing themselves as law enforcement
@@wyattblessing7078
QI has got to go!
They definitely need to get rid of it
People dont understand how that works tho. If you get rid of QI every cop in every city and state would immediatley have lawsuits pending over the most frivilous stuff, traffic tickets, actual legal stops and citations. Not every cop does their job poorly, but getting rid of QI would make every cop a target. The courthouses would be clogged up within days from the lawsuits. Not to mention it would mean their personal info gets out, and people could even show up to their homes. You wanna stop this kind of police behavior we need to 100% no exceptions REQUIRE bodycams. From the time they clock in till they clock out, and if they break this rule prosecute them. I fuckin guarentee this shit would clear up quick if that were the case.
Weird how the first cop decides they have bad attitudes when they very clearly did everything they were lawfully to do calmly, immediately, and without resistance or complaint . . . but then chose not to answer her questions to her satisfaction, as is their right. They did absolutely everything they were supposed to do, and she STILL decides they were "uncooperative" and "causing trouble."
I agree they deserve an A+ I usually switch when you judgements are not to my liking.
Female officer was shook... Someone really instilled something in the two young men conduct A+
She's a champion of deliberately evading proper questions, such as 'What am I being detained for?' You could ask her 100 times, and she'd never answer once.
"OK.....ALRIGHT......" Great condescending response, officer. Well, im not sure if she was being condescending or if that was just mental re***dation..
I don’t understand how qualified immunity is put in place even for the most basic rights.
Its all the fucking unions, its like this in every union
Right?! How can the constitution not be considered "well established"?
It’s almost like they don’t care about your rights
The amount they get paid yearly just doing it for the paycheck
@@bartc1240 citizens are required to know all the laws especially archaic laws that are still on the books yet trained officers don't have to know the most basic laws of their state.
This shows that QI is being used to shield officers from everything down to negligence. QI in my opinion was for errors officers made when in high pressure situations and dealing with multiple problems in an active emergency.
How can you use QI for blatantly breaking the law or in some cases causing bodily harm to an individual that was innocent.
First cop sounded like she was about to cry when asking what was going on. Anyone that emotionally unstable shouldn’t be a cop. 😂
She saw two black guys with guns and nearly wet her pants lol. She definitely shouldn’t be a fckin cop. Maybe a security gaurd at the mail will suit her better.
6:03 "You're being identified so I can identify you..."
When a cop says ‘the law says we can ID anyone we come in contact with. Look it up’ must know someone will be searching a really long time
And he was a sergeant. He either didn't know he's not in a stop and ID state, or he was fine lying about the law because he didn't fear any repercussions.. both options are awful
*Asks multiple times whose property it is, gets told multiple times that it's his*
"kEeP bEiNg SmArT"
That's a stupid cop on multiple levels. "I went in to investigate without backup after hearing gunshots."
"You can't discharge a firearm at night" So if someone defends their home they can be charged for firing a firearm because the sun set?
Not to take up for the cops but of course self defense is an exception...
At 1st I was thinking that the police had a point investigating these two, but then the police started lying trying to frame them and demonstrated a misunderstanding of multiple laws. It's crazy
I love these two kids standing up for their rights!!! Even questioning the stop and ID law the cop didn't even seem to comprehend. Good job guys!
I love how some cops feel they feel like the can make up laws
It never ceases to amaze me at how every cop's default position is to lie.
They are , given a test, before they can become, a officer, as to how well they can lie. Good liars are promoted more. Because that is the law of the land, in America.
That's why it is they often go to the rather nebulous smoke screen tactic of, "suspicious activity". It says nebulous as trying to catch cigarette smoke floating in the air to prove somebody was smoking where they shouldn't be. And the other problem is they end up costing their department so much money because they are too busy chasing that smoke through the air and over the cliff. They don't realize that they're now falling until they have to pay that $50,000 fine from the department's budget. Which then means that the department has to cut the number of police that they put on the street. What you're looking at is the arbitrary and capricious actions of criminals who claim that they're following the law and enforcing the law. These are not peace officers, these are enforcers of arbitrary and capricious statutes. There's a difference between the law of the land and statute. The statute is submissive to the law. Period!
@@jeanjackson7754 and that's why I say. It's about time that we start reviving The Spirit of 1775, because a week and a half after those events the American revolution started. I wonder why that happened?
If you can’t discharge your weapon at night how do you defend yourself if a predator comes onto your property at night?? If someone complained about the noise that’s one thing but nobody did.
Love these young men for doing what is right. Exercising their rights including their 2A and then standing up for their rights in the face of rogue law enforcement. More young people should learn like these guys did. As for the cops… stop inventing laws and pretending you know what you’re talking about when you don’t. Shameful.
They both sued for a violation of their 14th amendment right… What the fuck is that about? Lol.
@@anti-ethniccleansing465 the female cop said wheres the weed at i mean i would bet she never says that to 2 white males shooting guns
@@anti-ethniccleansing465 They sued for more than that but you just wanted to nic pick ANYTHING to have something negative to say about them y’all are weird
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That doesn’t address what I wrote whatsoever. It isn’t being “nitpicky“ at all.
@@anti-ethniccleansing465 No one cares to “address” what you said 😂 who are you …
Kudos to these young men for standing their ground in the face of a scary situation.
Why didn’t the boys get an A+? They tried to exercises their right to remain silent and they were very courteous.
Because what they did can (and probably would, had the officers gone about it the correct way) be cited as a breach of the peace
@@jacob1107 no it wouldn't
@@jacob1107 that's a load of scheiße
@@jacob1107 no it wouldnt. A noise complaint at least
They were taken to jail and released the next day after being cited for breach of peace. Not sure why you’re debating that.
Just another example of don’t ever call the cops for help. They make almost every situation worse. This female cop thinks she rules the world and has the right to harass lawful people, demand their ID, threaten to lock them up for no reason and is generally disrespectful and incredibly rude.
Sad is how to protect these officers instead of upholding Justice
I love this, more and more young people are educating themselves on the constitution
it's amazing how much a 250 year piece of paper holds so much weight today,..hopefully, unlike the Romans, we don't stay stuck in the past and implode upon ourselves trying desperately to cling to a lifestyle that cannot exist in this day and age.
@MT82 Man Pedal hopefully the media doesn't censor that bloodshed, i get excited watching rebellion unfold ;)
Perfect reason why qualified immunity needs to be abolished, my understanding ignorance of the law is no excuse especially for a cop.
Ignorance of the law is no excuse for us regular folks. But sadly the Supreme Court has ruled that cops do not have to know the laws they enforce.
As long as they say they thought they were enforcing a law then they are covered. So they enforce their feelings instead and just claim ignorance.
With QI as a shield they will continue to operate this way.
But in a tech age like ours, where everyone has a smart phone and can literally google their state statutes, the cops have no honest leg to stand on.
This isn’t 1950 where many cops didn’t have radios and were out their winging it. These guys have radios, cellphones and onboard computer systems. There’s no excuse for a cop to make a bogus arrest when all the info they need about the laws they enforce is at their fingertips, on the spot, while still in the field.
It’s absolutely disgraceful.
No more qualified immunity
The amount of laws to protect the government and their employees from liability is insane feel like the government is just one big crime syndicate.
Person being detained: is this a stop and ID state?
Officer: a what now?
The lack of understanding of basic terms is terrifying
"Stop and ID state" is not a basic legal term. You won't find that term in any legal document. It's used a lot in RUclips videos and on the internet. It's not used at all in the practice of law.
@@ajm5007 Stop and identify statutes are very common and well a established term in 4th amendment arguments. Certainly not limited to RUclips videos, wtf
@@BlackPsuedicide I'm an actual attorney and the term "stop and identify" is VERY rarely used when discussing those laws. In fact, since different laws require people to identify in different circumstances, generally the SPECIFIC law in question will be referred to by title, code section, or subject matter. Go ahead and read some actual legal documents or legal scholarship. You won't find the term "stop and identify state" being used very often, and never in the law itself.
@@ajm5007 OK, so what is the proper term. You are telling these guys that they are wrong, so correct them!
@@redgringrumboldt8983 there is no proper legal term because there is no such thing as a "stop and identify" statute or state. Instead, different states have different laws on when and how people must identify themselves to law enforcement. Some such laws require only that the officer have ras to conduct and investigation, while others require an actual arrest. And there's plenty of other laws in between.
I love how white cops immediately go to “where’s the weed” then refers to the young men as “cuz” like he’s down with the cause. Blatant racism
Yea I noticed that too... like stfu "cuz"
What's impressive is how no one ever makes fun of the cops or mocks them over it. Like it's understood those people are unhinged.
I fail to see the racism. I don’t like cops at all. Never will. But she asking where the weed is, seems more like stereotyping. Believing all black youth smoke and possess weed is stereotyping. Right?
I mean correct me if I’m wrong.
If she walked up and said where’s the bbq? It’s just stereotyping.
Idk. Maybe I’m wrong.
Anyways. I’m glad they suing.
calling someone "cuz" while they are wearing a red looking shirt should be illegal. You can get shot for that in some places lol
Who says they even knew the deputy was there? They obviously couldn’t see each other. I get it, you’re on a call at night and hear gun shots..that’s not the most comforting thing but as a police officer you can’t go around assuming everyone is out to get you and everyone is a criminal. Doing your job scared is dangerous. Very. Doing it in a very alert frame of mind is better.
As soon as she figured out they were just shooting at targets, she shoulda let them go. I totally get finding out where the shots are coming from and why, but when it's clear that they haven't broken a law, that's when ya break contact.
@@cdogthehedgehog6923 yep. You’re exactly right. You don’t keep a citizen detained until you can find something to arrest them for. Once you find out your chief concern has been satisfied, you let them go. I get so tired of seeing officers doing stupid shit like that. It makes all officers look bad. Some officers actually obey the same laws they uphold. Real Law’s. Not made up Law’s.
She was so afraid of the gunshots she walked towards them
@@kyle-mb1ij with her gun drawn
it's the way they're trained. it fosters an us vs them mentality. Add in the Christian foot soldier/ Lion - lamb shit, and you get cowardly cops. Seriously, look at some of the most popular cop trainers, it's a weird mix of Christian militarism
Fishing for a reason to take them to jail. Disgusting.