I know, very dramatic title / thumbnail. I wish it wasn't necessary. The changes they made are absolutely mind-blowing. We were holding off judgement until we reached fully juiced maps but the difference is just absurd. Of course we aren't quitting "forever", we would love to come back as soon as possible, as soon as things change for the better. But as it stands no1 in my friend circle is motivated to even log in. What a sad day. I never thought I'd be so let down by a post from Chris himself. Thank you for watching 660+ path of exile highlights, hopefully I can make more in the future. Until then, I'm going to play something else.
It's crazy how impactful this change is and to GGG I feel as if it wouldn't matter which sucks. I want 3.13 back and the fun factor redeemed. It seems as if they want Difficulty>Grind>Fun and it should be reversed.
Heyhey Empy I'm a Lurker and RUclips watcher , I usually never comment on videos but I love what youre doing. A friend of mine and me took time off work to go for juicy maps this season and we absolutely got shit on. I love your videos and will watch every stream and video as far as I can from now on. I realized its you and not the game I love. The highlights youre posting are way better than playing this league and I hope GGG will listen to what you and your group said here. CU next stream for whatever youre doing
A couple years ago, without any thought but an open, happy heart, I posted a comment to one of your videos that read "The most important thing is to see you smile." You used it for the outro in the next video. I really meant that, that it's really nice to see someone else, even a perfect stranger, enjoy the game; that your good vibes are infectious; and that you have made the game more fun for many of us over the years. Today I had to see you frown, and that makes me really sad. :(
I totaly agree, I am so happy me and my favorite streamer dont have to risk dying to get 20c an hour. Hell I can run T1 strands all day and get the same loot as a T16 i dont even have to upgrade my character too.
Im also an alch-n-go, doing some yellow maps rn, but nowhere near 40c/hour :/, im using chaos recipe enhancer and all, poison BV, clears are pretty fast, but im having trouble keeping up maps, and i feel like i have no currency, i cant buy SHIT off the trade.
@@GustavoHenrique-sr5jw para de fazer chaos recipe em mapas amarelos, se a tua build conseguir, faz essences, e usa strongboxes para dropares 6sockets e venderes fusings early league
When they say "we playtested it" I see in my head Chris Wilson running trough ledge finding 2 alterations instead of the 1 alteration he found on the same spot last league thinking "man this is double already, this should be fine".
You meme, but having done QA in other games before, at least in my experience, high-end content was rarely tested due to not having pipelines set up to give testers access to endgame accounts.
Thanks for everything Empy & Crew. Your group content made me so excited each league to play PoE. The meme museums, the min maxed builds, the lootsplosions, the league content shenanigans, the group project memes, I'll miss all of it. You've done so much for the community Empy and myself and others can't thank you enough. -Life- Loot isn't fair.
Honestly f GGG I’m glad I quit I’m not complaining but I think people are tired of bs that ggg has been releasing. It’s no fun playing if you can’t even sustain alch and chisels lol and usually you could even currently in league last league was a blast got my 40/40 made a ton of money but I think I’m glad I didn’t play this league at all and thank you for everything empy loved your content and group play highlights Glhf to everyone that also played and is planning to quit
This comment touches on the main issue here... If GGG's intent was to 'balance' the game so mega juicing stuff is no longer possible for the 1% and so an 'average' player has a more 'consistent' experience, they have completely misunderstood their game. Each season I look forward to watching Empy and the crew ultra juice maps and get massive loot explosions as something to always aspire to as I progress through the league. That just isn't there anymore so there's nothing to really look forward to later in the league once my character is geared up and I'm doing more difficult content.. it's just not there.. so why keep playing if there's nothing to look forward to at the end game? The mud has dried.
You guys just like to complain about everything, Didn't you ask us to fix the lag in juiced maps ? well, there is no lag when you don't drop anything 5head. -Chris Wolcen.
I have played since closed beta and this is by far the saddest I have been thinking about the future of PoE. I usually give GGG the benefit of the doubt, but now I am at a loss for words. 20k+ hours logged in HC over the years and I am already done on Day 3...
exactly, ive always hated all the hate on poe this past year or so but this.......this is way to far, I started playing in 2014 and this is the first time I have felt that chris didnt have the best intentions of the game in mind. Its just so sad to see a game being ruined like this
Not a very old fan but i have watched you Empy for a couple years and you have made my day with all the dumb, fun, dramatic and memy things you offered us from a single game. I never thought it would come to this, keep your head up and don't lose motivation!
I am also extremely sad over the state of PoE. In the past few years they have done everything they can to delete creativity while making the game "harder." They have introduced more or less mandatory defense mechanics that feels unrewarding to invest into (spell suppression) and increased monster damage and life while nerfing damage across the board. As a result I haven't had a single successful giga meme build in over a year. I miss the old sandbox poe where ideas could carry a build if you did it right. I get the feeling that trying to merge poe with poe2 has been the biggest mistake in this games history. Should have made poe2 its own thing while keeping MTX imho. Nobody I know wants this "new" PoE.
Lol oh please. You guys are such drama queens. PoE now is in a much better state than it was in your "prime". Sorry people stopped watching your videos but its not because PoE is "worse". But because you were boring.
@@mp7311 I agree PoE is getting better with each league. It's the fun element and build originality that becomes worse. Meta builds were always the strongest (that's what I always started with to get currency) but if you knew the mechanics you could do endgame even with meme builds.
Your Wormblaster the Third build was what got me hooked in PoE. It was a creative, silly build that looked fun to play. Your content is a staple of what made PoE so great, player power, build diversity, and fun gameplay. Almost any build could work with an average budget so players could play what they wanted to play.
The contrast in the ambiance and voices between the opening clips and the current rift says it all. It's not even upsetting, just sad.. Thankfully there are other games around but this really sucks.
People are flaming the crap out of GGG on the forums, and I feel like they deserve quite a bit of the shit they get. Yes we would never achieve the kind of absurd amount of stuff Empy and the 5 man group were getting, but jeez, if they can't get anything out of something juiced to the roof, well you can bet your liver you will get jack shit out of your maps.
Like someone in those forums said: Imagine destroying loot drops completely for a new league, "reworking" old content so it's now a completely pointless waste of time, and then you CONVENIENTLY fail to mention these insanely huge changes at all in the patch notes, but you DO have the gall to mention the +2 range buff to Cleave(A skill nobody uses because it f*cking sucks). These people are unserious profit-seekers. That's the only way to put it. They really don't give a flying f*ck how enjoyable the game is to play at all.
@@Hooga89 That is why you have to stop playing. That is the only thing they will listen to. Chris mentions player retention all the time, that is the thing he cares most about. He doesn't want people to quit, he wants them hooked and addicted. He is like a drug lord. Slowly take away the things they like, make it harder to achieve so they will grind more and play longer and pay more money, that always seems to be the design philosophy GGG is going for. Yes sure when people achieved their goal for the league they stop playing but that is not a bad thing, we have a life outside of league, there are other things to do. But Chris doesn't want us to do anything else but play PoE. He wants us grinding and chasing gear until the last day of the league and then start again. Fuck that!
When the 6-man, fully stacked, insanely optimised group gets absolutely shafted by the lack of drops then what chance does the rest of the playerbase have?
6-man fully stacked insanely optimized groups got hit much, much harder than the rest of the playerbase, because that strategy goes all in on raw quantity/packsize stacking and almost completely ignores "reward based" content (which in a giga juiced map becomes too small a fraction to be relevant)... and the loot changes were specifically targeted to destroy generic quantity - most likely *exactly* because it was making content designed around specific rewards feel pointless (since you could just farm raw currency to buy these rewards instead, and past a certain threshold that would always be more efficient). Having said that: even if I'm not as negative on the *concept* behind what these changes are trying to do, not announcing these changes beforehand is a very, very questionable move, and as of now they simply moved the "pointless" needle to other kinds of content, which doesn't really solve the problem. (delirium in particular feels like complete bait now - too much effort just for cluster jewels, and simulacrum splinters seem to fall under the "generic loot" umbrella)
@@eugenebarrett As a semi-casual who managed to clear all content in most leagues using mostly meta builds I would say the following. If top 1% is not playing then where am I going to buy my infuenced six linked white socket astral plate with crucial mods? Am I going to make it myself? With so much less EVERYTHING (such as fossils) on the market? From where I sit it looks like the middle-class semi casuals are hit the most (as always). However, at least this time, they succeeded in hitting even the top 1%. Question is: was it worth it?
@@janpeszek5897 I fear a middle class that has grown used to buying everything suddenly being priced out of their usual solutions might be a problem that I'm far too SSF to really relate to. But yes, chances are you might have to make it yourself; figure out what's actually crucial, compromise on what isn't, hunt your own fossils with a knife if needed be, etc.
I understand how frustrating this was when it happened but I want to let people who come across this video now like how I did again, poe is back to a pretty good state. Even this league, affliction, has been the most profitable league for empy and his group. Rough patches happen but Poe is still worth getting into today
Man, you CAN provide a possitive environment for people to chill. And you will do this. It's not about the game, we come here for you man. Just be yourself and play whatever, we will be here for you. Things will be better, just keep being you.
Never thought I would see one of the most positive and fun streamers be so down about what he's been enjoying for years. Keep your head up Mr Streamer!
This is the guy who told his viewers "life isn't fair" when he was in a streamer queue and nobody else could log in. Then compared them to kids dying in Africa. Such a positive streamer, surely this isn't at all hypocrisy at the highest level. /s Karma served. Don't reinstall the game Empy.
@@zigisamblak lmao true, people are so easy to forget what he did in the past , even in his d3 days, he is the only poe streamer that i hope to quit and never come back, nothing of valuable was lost
@@zigisamblak wow! that's so mean, he had priority in a queue, damn! he played the game some minutes or hours on advantage! give him jail time! I JUST CANT BELIEVE HE DID THAT! AND EVEN MADE A JOKE COMPARING THE VIEWERS TO KIDS DYING IN AFRICA?!!! HOW COULD HE??!!! HE DESERVES TO GO TO HELL Like wtf bro, there's something that impacts some peoples fun over a couple of hours and making fun of it, and there's something that affects everyones fun for a couple of months (or more if they don't fix it lmao)
Don't blame you one bit. Took 2 days for me to decide to quit as well. I don't want a second job, I wanted to have fun. They took out the fun, turned the game into a job, and expect people to stick around? Lol, no.
At least i know that working a full time job pay off. This is like working full time and the company gives you enough to buy food so you dont starve to death while working for them. And every 3 month they cut down your paycheck so you have to work more for your food.
It used to be fun and chill to me, started in 2010'ish, and the game is so power-creeped out now that it's a whole other beast. Because of the small percent of 80 hours/week players complaining that it's too easy, everything get's nerfed/enemies buffed to the point of just wtf.
their "vision" for the game is just a shield for when they make bad decisions and don't want to backtrack on them because it makes them look bad. As soon as developers start shadow patching nerfs you have a problem, look at BHVR and Dead by Daylight.
No it isnt a shield. There is a consistent trend in their changes, chrust wants game to be longer and harder and he has been atempting to do so for years.
@@turbanheadless Chris even knew this would the reaction and doesnt really care - why else talk to Josh Strife Hays and say "10K players is just fine" in a BS interview in the weeks leading up to the league?
Sential: Oh too many drops makes them leave away in just 1 month!! Let's tune this down Lake of Kalandra:Oh no drops makes them leave away in just 1 day!! Let's keep it
This is crushing. There were many leagues over the span of the past decade where the game just didn't do it for me, but I always enjoyed watching your streams and YT posts, especially your end of league projects with friends, in my down time. In a few leagues it was the only thing that kept me connected to the PoE experience and brought me back for later leagues. Hopefully they recognize the damage they did and find a middle ground, but until that time, I look forward to your new adventures! Keep spreading those good vibes :D
@@robertwatkins4121 I mean considering you could consistently drop 1ex every 7 white maps with sentinels I disagree. Not to mention the indirect card drops they give you.
I'm a casual that only really got back into it since 3.17. the altas changes made so much sense It was easy to get into the game as a new player. I don't know what they did, but even as a casual with a noob SSF traps build I was averaging 7 maps return per map, and that's on just single alch'd maps nothing else i didn't even know what scarabs or frags did! it felt great and addictive to be able to run a ton a maps knowing i would not get starved and could search for gear. WTF did they do? I refuse to believe it was tested. For you guys at the very top to get screwed bad is one thing, but the down stream effect to us casuals is just as bad, I can't even afford to alch a map! whats the point? where's the fun gone? EDIT: whatever they changed in patch "f" has made it much better btw it feels good again.
Big agree, uniques are highly overpriced because vets barely find any, currency is extremely low droprate all around the game. Even finding linked gear or linking sockets is much harder now.
What are you playing so you can't afford to alch a map? SSF lightning trap, T8 maps, about 50 atlas tree points, alched every map I ran and there's 50 more remaining, which is better than last league by about 20
@@wumi2419 i'm not just alc starved, I'm everything starved (apart from armour scraps + whetstones) I'm map starved mostly. Last League was amazing for me I averaged 7 maps return on every map. Now I barely get 1. It's not just me saying it everyone said there's no alchs dropping. You must have got very lucky, did you not watch this video 6 man crew who run the most juiced maps in the world got 1 map back after investing 240c the other day (before they quit). It's broken.
@@BuzzaB77 I can see it being broken when expecting high returns with uber strict filter. I can't say I'm more map starved than in any other league, leaguestart is always like that until you get a backlog and variations start to average out. Also I'm doing normal ssf stuff like buying maps I did not complete yet from Kirak and running heist and delve occasionally. Haven't got anything from heists yet, but delve was relatively nice
Watching the slow trainwreck of POE by a constantly disconnected dev team hurts me so deeply, it was my favorite game for so many years. No other ARPG could even come close to being a POE killer so GGG went and killed it on their own. I quit playing POE a long time ago but watching your content was still always so much fun. I hope you find other fun games to play.
@@THEVINI3011 yeah how dare people voice their opinions. After all GGG is part tencent now, so we shouldn't talk bad about our overlords. China number one!
This was a very emotional video. You can see and hear how much these decisions impacted all of you. I hope you guys can find something else that is just as fun to you. Much love
Best part of the league is watching you guys farm, I play SSF so it’s like seeing a different game. The team and banta is great and excellent viewing. If you are doing something else I hope it’s you all playing together
Last league was the first league I ever farmed a full mirror with a very minmaxed Int-Stacker build (not the 300mil dps mirror tier wand+squire 10link stuff, but a regular one with like 100mil dps) which literally cost me like 2-3 mirrors worth of exalts too. I had so much fun that league and sentinels, played like 6-8 hours every day til the end of the league. That last time I had so much fun and playtime was in ritual league. And then the sad nem3 and fractured map nerfs incident happend. I read the patchnotes for lake of kalandra and thought, that it would be fine, the exalt-divine change would be a little hard, because there is only one divine card and no shards for divines(and ex shards were big. Running a rusted harbi scarab, and occasionally a gilded one when you hit the sextant, yielded so many passively generated ex, more than solo farming for some cards without a high investment). I was excited for a new economy and how items would be priced. The league started, i hate leveling, but i pulled through, saw the first guys in maps and got scared, no loot, map sustain on the lower end, not even enough alchs to alch and go maps. Now ex are at 7c, thats nearly half the price of the expedition map craft (LUL), so its cheaper to slam maps than use the map device. I'm always following your streams at the start of the league, because your group is always an inspiration for me to "adept" your strategies as a solo player, with lower investment, but still good income and seeing you so disappointed was really sad and it kinda killed my mood for the league as well. Tried some juice things in standard, and getting like nothing is soo fucking bad. I can understand, that ggg wants to slow down the game for poe2 and it got out of hand over the last years, but why are they always introducing speed clear leagues, when they want to slow down the game. It all started in 3.0 with abyss. To slow to kill? No chest or depth. Legion, no time to clear 3 screens in 10 seconds? No loot for you. Delirium, run b1tch or you wont even get a scroll. They made the playerplase to adapt to all their mechanics with speedclear builds, they basically formed their playerbase to play fast and efficent. And now, without any communication that they reduced the loot to like 5% will crack up the community, with only the real hardcore fans being still in the game. I cant imagine how the game feels for a casual or midtier player, who normally wouldnt farm at least 2-3 exalts (divine) per hour. They dont get gear, they cant progress in the atlas and they cant even make a small amount of currency to at least trade for some basic items for their build.. Sad times. I hope that you will find something else in the meantime, and when youre back to poe, I will be lurking.
GGG's heard people complaining about the 1% players that have all the money all the gear and make more in one map than some will make in a leauge. They addressed those concerns by making endgame so unbearably unrewarding that the 1% players refuse to play it
That's a good thing. This team used to make more currency in a single run than most players make in an entire league. It totally unbalances the economy. 99.9% of players aren't able to get a dedicated farming team like this even if they had the time.
@@TeleologicalConsistency Yeah and if the team that fully maxes out farming to make as much currency as possible makes barely anything and actually goes into the negatives when doing end game maps, then what will happen to the 99.9% of the players who already weren't making much loot before this league
@@Breakbeat. man i know.... it's tragic. poe used to be so much fun. you just make whatever u wanted and do kinda ok with it and even do really well with it if you invested a reasonable amount in. now it's a second job with little to no payoff that forces you to play whatever is meta otherwise you'll never progress. it's so sad.
This video hit hard. As an SSF player my experience can feel very isolated at times. Didn't fully understand how bad shut was overall. Really hope GGG responds asap
taking it slow this league because of job but its horrendous at act 5 with no basic currency maybe half an alc and some alt's 0 chaos 0 regrets got a unique staff as a drop and thats it really slow progression if you are not playing a meta skill i just hope they fix this by the time I get to maps since this basically made the game 10x more grindy with no guaranteed currency along the way. forgot to say rip lighty and all the masochists trying to collect uniquest in ssf ;__;
I used to love this game, im from South America and i learned english only to can play this wonderfull game with this amazin server and helpfull. But league after league they just say one thing to us: They don't like us! everythig that we found and start to have fun, they found a way to destroy it. every fun build, every fun farm, every crazy method, ALL. they dont let us play with NOTHING. they dont like we play the way we want. they try to oppress us to do what THEY want we play. Im leaving too, because this time they destroy EVERYTHING. we dont drop ex, we dont drop cards, we dont drop NOTHING. We just cant play. and they are just ignoring everybody. because they want we play with what their way. THANKKS EMPY, SNAP, RASMUS, INDEED, EVERYBODY. You made me have fun for years, and every league. even being terrible in this game. I TRY AGAIN. learning with you and others streams, and enjoying. really thanks for all. i hope you back someday and maybe i back too. but all my friends leaved, my favorite streamers leaved. what im gonna do alone here? without friends. without itens. in a game that they Apparently dont care about us. im fine! goodbye PoE!
I never comment on videos ever but just wanted to say thanks for content. It was so fun to see PoE pushed to its absolute max and all of the meme museums made along to way.
thanks for this kind of negative coverage from a HUGE fucking streamer in the community. it's really important big names speak up and not just people like me on reddit about how fucking horrible so many changes to the game are especially in the wake of chris's awful response to all the criticisms and frustrations. I'd really like all the big streamers to just acknowledge all the fucking awful antifun anti casual, and even anti 1% juicer changes and express in whatever way they can (some people cant quit cuz its their entire job) some amount of serious negativity about it.
Its in leagues (beta testing for free).. not the game.. idk why people began assuming leagues was poe. They should stop letting people carry things over to regular game.
I quit myself few leagues ago. The fun builds got ruined. The fun chase uniques got nerfed. The playstyle moved more towards hardcore. It's their "vision" but it's also killing their game. Good luck to them.
This is so depressing and dissapointing , everyone i watch is eithe unhappy with the state of the league or quitting and i understand why cause i quit too , i watched your highlights since harvest sad to see it go like this i hope they fix it and make you guys come back and enjoy the game again
Thanks for all the content man. Watching you guys every league start was always a blast. Sad to see the current state of the game. Hope we can see you guys play something else. Maybe it is D3 time again for the memes.
:( Keep your head up brother. I feel for the main content creators that do this for a living the most. Especially those that aren't varienty PoE Casuals like yourself. If you need anything I'm here brother ♥
Thank you for all the hard work. I'm a console player. Watching you and your friends really helped me in the past learn how to play high end content an super juiced maps. An how to have a ton of fun doing it. Your videos really inspired me. An kept me excited to play more. It's a sad day for all of us. I don't even think I'll try in two day when we get the update....
Damn, I wish I had discovered ya'll leagues ago. Those old clips were great and I would've loved to have known even a bit about juicing methods. Here's hoping GGG does something positive.
It’s insane how bad these changes are. Not sure why developers feel the need to implement things they “think” the community needs or wants but then they end up getting feedback on how much of a dumpster fire it was. The transition from exalts to divine orbs is terrible, harvest changes are terrible, beyond is terrible. Wonder what else they’ll fuck up and realize they shouldn’t have messed with it. Godspeed Empy.
This was not a stealth change. They said that the algorithm for loot drops got changed, so that powerful rares give more currency. Of course, this is not the case and it will get fixed or reverted. But it will take some time.
@@mrfreeman2911 I didnt say that they said : we will revert our algorithm, this is more like my copium take. (aka lets hope it will get fixed soon). And they mentioned the algorithm change on a post about rarity of drops. I found it, its on the "what we are working" on post on the poe site. They basically changed something în the old algorithm, so I suppose it didnt go as planned (obviously). Classic ggg btw
@@GE_Photon_Lord that was AFTER league launch is the point before the league launch i think we got at most one passsing line mentioning anything about loot in the manifesto
Last league was def one of the most enjoyable to me due to recombinator's. I ended up making an item worth close to a mirror because of it, don't think I'll ever have the same experience again.
8:32 And i felt like that many times. Previous nerfs hit hard and block progress for more casuals players like me. And when i complain, guys like you ridiculed me. "stop crying and adapt" "this game is difficult, maybe not for you" etc. Now when nerf affect top players ability to progress, you guys crying. So learn and adapt, this game supposed to be hard and challenging back at you.
The best part about a new league is watching your group's loot explosion everytime you exit a temple waiting for something expensive to drop. I guess we will see you guys again when GGG fixes this, if they ever do that...
Imagine usually getting more in a few maps than most get in years prior, then still going to (this league) averaging way more than most players do daily and being upset cause you don't make 10mirrors a day.
They fixed their game actually. Its more for casual players like myself now. I made about 30 divs + my gear in the weeks that I actually played the league. I got my first level 100 and I am up to 38 league challenges. I usually quit around 5-7 challenges. This have been the best "new start" for me in the game in years. I hope ggg dont listen to you whiney wankrs when they drop 4.0.
It’s literally a targeted change specifically to stop you from doing what you do. It’s only the biggest change ever for you in particular. Vast majority of the player base does not MF + 6 party juice their content, yet everyone is impacted by the economy being flooded with currency from these. You may not like it, but don’t act like this is a problem for most players.
Nonsense, it's a PVE game, who cares if some group is making the hardest maps in the game and being rewarded for it? Got some convoluted reason why it somehow impacts you? Play SSF, solved.
You know... even as a veteran that has been playing since early open beta and I could finally come back to PoE after 5 leagues, I was having issues killing some rares in the campaign and I did think maybe my damage and HP were bad cause leveling poorly. Glad to know the pros did the math for me and yup, I agree. It looks terrible.
Honestly, its better this way. Makes finding currency and items finally much harder and therefore rewarding. No longer a million of the same builds running around. Forces you to actually build a character and focus on it. The game was broken before...the people complaining are the people selling the in-game currency for real cash. No one should've been able to get to end game the first day or few of league... No one should've earned several mirrors if not tens/hundreds of mirrors in a single league. Don't pretend like the game wasn't so broken it wasn't even challenging or fun anymore. If the game was the other way around and it went from hard AF to gear to how it used to be, everyone would be complaining they ruined the game. Not even back in D2 days would you ever find so much wealth in a single day, let alone every single day of the league... the game was completely balanced, and we all loved the grind and when finding a high rune, or a near/perfectly rolled item it felt extremely rewarding. You guys found a loophole in the game and exploited it and taught bots/resellers how to farm the game beyond reasonable measures and basically ruined the game. Literally every league was beatable in the first few days and therefore majority would quit with in the first 2 weeks.
Honestly, its better this way. Makes finding currency and items finally much harder and therefore rewarding. No longer a million of the same builds running around. Forces you to actually build a character and focus on it. The game was broken before...the people complaining are the people selling the in-game currency for real cash. No one should've been able to get to end game the first day or few of league... No one should've earned several mirrors if not tens/hundreds of mirrors in a single league. Don't pretend like the game wasn't so broken it wasn't even challenging or fun anymore. If the game was the other way around and it went from hard AF to gear to how it used to be, everyone would be complaining they ruined the game. Not even back in D2 days would you ever find so much wealth in a single day, let alone every single day of the league... the game was completely balanced, and we all loved the grind and when finding a high rune, or a near/perfectly rolled item it felt extremely rewarding. You guys found a loophole in the game and exploited it and taught bots/resellers how to farm the game beyond reasonable measures and basically ruined the game. Literally every league was beatable in the first few days and therefore majority would quit with in the first 2 weeks.
This is just sad. I've never seen you this unmotivated, this unhappy and this defeated. Even when you got banned in Ultimatum. I really looked forward to playing PoE, haven't started the league yet, and if GGG doesn't revert or substancially change the league, I guess I won't be playing this league. I don't know what GGG was doing when developing, planning and testing the recent leagues. Don't get me wrong, I had an absolute blast playing Sentinel, but in the beginning the addition of the Archnemesis mods didn't feel good, didn't make the game more rewarding, didn't add needed stuff to PoE. Now I really don't fucking know when they thought to themselves when designing Lake of Kalandra? Do you really not like your game? Why destroy something you worked years and years on, making huge advancements in gameplay, adding a huge amount of fun content? I just can't understand that. But ok, people make mistakes, every league there were changes to new mechanics, improvements (e.g. increasing rewards in delirium, toning down archnemesis in sentinel, etc.), but why not admit it and change, why double down on "this is a good change"?????? Hopefully they reconsider their statements and revert the league or whatever you do, when you fucked up bigtime.
Honestly, its better this way. Makes finding currency and items finally much harder and therefore rewarding. No longer a million of the same builds running around. Forces you to actually build a character and focus on it. The game was broken before...the people complaining are the people selling the in-game currency for real cash. No one should've been able to get to end game the first day or few of league... No one should've earned several mirrors if not tens/hundreds of mirrors in a single league. Don't pretend like the game wasn't so broken it wasn't even challenging or fun anymore. If the game was the other way around and it went from hard AF to gear to how it used to be, everyone would be complaining they ruined the game. Not even back in D2 days would you ever find so much wealth in a single day, let alone every single day of the league... the game was completely balanced, and we all loved the grind and when finding a high rune, or a near/perfectly rolled item it felt extremely rewarding. You guys found a loophole in the game and exploited it and taught bots/resellers how to farm the game beyond reasonable measures and basically ruined the game. Literally every league was beatable in the first few days and therefore majority would quit with in the first 2 weeks.
Whoever thinks you are overreacting should remember that you once got banned from an entire league and you still preached GGG's decision. Besides, you are not the only one upset about all of this, seeing Ghazzy like that broke my heart. Much respect Empy!
Been a fan of you for years, I remember getting into PoE because of your "Project book". I'll be here to watch whatever comes next, you're the GOAT, man! EDIT: just saw that this video two years old I'm a goober
@@Aglat1c1 not easy. all you see is the explosions not the background prep and effort that goes into making a functional 6 man group, whats 'cringe' is envy.
The playthrough clips, with the look on Empy's face, are the most depressing things I've seen in a while. The look of utter defeat and a realization that spending as much time as was spent to rush to this level and see no rewards is... crushing.
Kinda sad to see you so down. I don’t play anymore but I always watch all the vids because of the positive vibes, insane crafting sessions and end-league projects. I am sure GGG will come to their senses though. GL Empy
Usually enjoy your videos but this bitching is pretty cringe. This is not a competitive game, it should not be balanced around the top 0.1%. Imagine not being able to get a fully kitted character in the first few days of the league and thinking that is a bad thing. People forget the origins of this genre involved farming the same bosses for weeks/months in diablo 2 for a chance at the items you needed.
So all I hear is you crying that you aren't getting a 10-20x profit on your investment. Cheers. Generally speaking I make *maybe a 10% profit, 20% if I am lucky, and you are crying over 1000%+. Get over yourselves.
@@Empyriangaming You miss understand. The amount of loot you were getting was grossly over inflated. The fact that it went on as long as it did is astounding. In 1-2 maps you made as much as most people make in an entire league, and it shouldn't have been happening.
I play hockey in a garage league. And i cant even imagine the league manager comming in our room at the beginning of the league saying :hey guys we made some changes to the ice.. we put rocks in it but its fine you can still skate. I know because i tested it and its rough and weird but it works you will need new blades every period but thats for the best.... thats how i see the changes they made to the league
@@jays4496 yeah because it is so much fun to farm stuff right now, especially since you cant sustain maps and lack alchemy orbs right now you currently make loss by running maps
Honestly, its better this way. Makes finding currency and items finally much harder and therefore rewarding. No longer a million of the same builds running around. Forces you to actually build a character and focus on it. The game was broken before...the people complaining are the people selling the in-game currency for real cash. No one should've been able to get to end game the first day or few of league... No one should've earned several mirrors if not tens/hundreds of mirrors in a single league. Don't pretend like the game wasn't so broken it wasn't even challenging or fun anymore. If the game was the other way around and it went from hard AF to gear to how it used to be, everyone would be complaining they ruined the game. Not even back in D2 days would you ever find so much wealth in a single day, let alone every single day of the league... the game was completely balanced, and we all loved the grind and when finding a high rune, or a near/perfectly rolled item it felt extremely rewarding. You guys found a loophole in the game and exploited it and taught bots/resellers how to farm the game beyond reasonable measures and basically ruined the game. Literally every league was beatable in the first few days and therefore majority would quit with in the first 2 weeks.
@@SanityUnknown 90% of poe players cry about not being able to make currency, now top game breakers say it's impossible. It doesn't feel more rewarding if you strip 80% of rewards from your game, it feels shit, I don't enjoy fighting shaper+ hp rare mob for vendor trash
@@jojowasukranian8131 What you aren't understanding is, people complained about currency because for the common folk it was a rare drop, while these buffed up 6 man parties would find thousands of exalts a league and countless uniques in which they'd buy out the market and price fix, which will still happen but now items will be more rare and everyone will find the same forms of currency therefore making everything way more affordable for the common folk. It'll feel just as hard to gear now as it did for the casual player back then because of the price spike. Just making it harder for the hardcore gamers to get to end game in the first 8 hours of gameplay. But one thing I do disagree on is that a buffed up 6man party map isn't dropping much at all. I do think the drops should be a little better. But I can't tell you how many Baal runs, Diablo runs, Meph runs a Magic Find Soc had to run to find even a single decent drop... I think for PoE when you do finally get Meta geared you should be finding items and currencies at a higher rate but I don't agree every map should be promised with several exalts or 6 socket 6 link items, let alone 30 belly of the beast armors.
@@jojowasukranian8131 I agree they should've warned people and explained better. But.... What you aren't understanding is, people complained about currency because for the common folk it was a rare drop, while these buffed up 6 man parties would find thousands of exalts a league and countless uniques in which they'd buy out the market and price fix, which will still happen but now items will be more rare and everyone will find the same forms of currency therefore making everything way more affordable for the common folk. It'll feel just as hard to gear now as it did for the casual player back then because of the price spike at that time. It's just making it harder for the hardcore gamers to get to end game in the first 8 hours of gameplay. But one thing I do disagree on is that a buffed up 6man party map isn't dropping much at all. I do think the drops should be a little better. But I can't tell you how many Baal runs, Diablo runs, Meph runs a Magic Find Soc had to run to find even a single decent drop... I think for PoE when you do finally get Meta geared you should be finding items and currencies at a higher rate but I don't agree every map should be promised with several exalts or 6 socket 6 link items, let alone 30 belly of the beast armors. I like the idea before reaching that level that everyone has roughly the same chance to gear up. Obviously more or less RNG and game play time will play a role. But no longer will it be a one-day league completion for anyone.
I can’t think of another company that has a game that the player base really like and purposefully turn it into shit because the ego is too fucking out of this world.
Man i used to have fun playing this game when my friend and i got my aurabot up and running doing the league after heist, and we had so much more fun than playing 2 dps builds trying to not inconvenience each other. Then the league right after aurabots was nerfed into the ground and we both just quit completely. It really feels like GGG is balancing based on, " NO FUN ALLOWED " The league i enjoy'd the most was harvest because for once i could get into red maps and see how end game looks like. Never reached that since.
I can understand the direction they want to take Poe pre poe2. I can see how they want loot to work and think it could be done right but there needs to be more testing before it touches live servers. The changes are to night and day all at once. They need to slow nerfs to drop , in order for their dreams of Poe drops to work they will need to head down a more targeted loot pool. I personally didn't play this league but I've watched content creators play and share opinions (I often do this and start leagues 3 days late intentionally). We just need to hang in there , they are changing things over time and although this was a painful experience they are making changes in the direction of improving and correcting. Content creators and forums are the avenues to voice constructive feedback. Chris does a wonderful job communicating with the community and always addresses their mistakes and don't hide from it. A change shouldn't be met with quitting though as that truly hurts development funding. It's just an all around hot seat and GGG is sitting in it with us players and are trying! We've had the pleasure of sooooo much content (free to alot of people) with much more to come. Work with ggg and not against.. we have one of the best communities out there. Remind them that!
This change will lead to a stronger economy, and the inflation rate will be way much on the control. And party players will no be able to completly get monopoly over the Poe market. And actually league mechanics will get more rewarding especially for solo player's
It's interesting to be on the side (for once) that is just happy "enough" with the game as it is. I haven't enjoyed any league after heist, absolutely HATED archnemesis anything, but that had been toned down enough to not annoy the shit out of me 24/7. It absolutely still needs work, don't get me wrong, but at least im actually playing now. Not to say it isn't an issue, but the loot changes didn't bother me much. My biggest gripe is harvest. I was excited at first, but then learned just how nerfed it was. I wouldn't bother with it in future trade leagues as it is. In SSF, I only can see myself using it for fractures, enchants, and possibly some reforging of clusters or similar where fossils aren't ideal, or essences don't work at all. Additionally, I basically never get t4 seeds. Happened twice, in many harvests, with all the atlas passives. Can't believe that was actually buffed; now I know why I never saw one after hundreds of hours in previous patches. When harvest was introduced, it was an SSF dream. I never had more fun with the game. I had a folder full of screenshot items with notes for future harvest crafting. I was REALLY involved with that mechanic. GGG seems to hate it though. Literally and very seriously.
The way Chris talks usually gives off the feeling approximately like: "can these god damned players stop breaking the game and play it like it should be played?" It's very much the motivation of hardmode, so that whatever idea of fun he has can be enforced. Well, great news, hardmode arrived early.
I came across with your work on ultimatum league (with all the crap that happened there) and since that I grew respect for you and the crew you play along. I've learned a lot here and 13min17sec is truly sad :/ I just hope they will revert some of this shit
I posted in one of Snap's videos at the beginning of the league that I wasn't optimistic about the shift to Divine and while I was expecting a rough economy, this wasn't precisely what I meant but nonetheless it's very disappointing to see this. Whether it be the top end of competitive PoE in the form of players such as Ben choosing to just stop playing or group players such as Empyrian, Snap, etc. I hope that this is fixed swiftly and if not, it was fun while it lasted. Good luck guys.
it is what it is, just because you arent making 10x your investment dont mean its game over. IMO its way more balanced now as compared to people like me who dont spend all day running 200+ c maps.
I'm not sure why you think that your loot will be close to what it was last league. If 6 players are making a profit of what a solo player was making last league, the solo player is probably making much, much less.
Funny right? item fiding is harder now I guess.. but doesn't that make it more rewarding when you actually find an item? Im not sure about you but Im from d2 and grinding games like this is about killing monsters over and over and finding nothing, then one day get a gg item. I have been saying to my buddies who play POE that this game is far too easy to loot up in 1 or 2 days. In order to keep people playing you must make them earn the loot, its not about juicing maps over and over.. its about playing more and more and hoping to find a gg item. Now this is also subjective, I do think that some rare mobs are FAR to hard to kill... but that dont mean bump up the rewards on them.
@@fabbiotimpano I suppose it would be more rewarding to find a good item, but the gameplay isn't as fun. A lot of people play PoE because you can kill mobs at a really fast pace. Slowing down the players takes the fun out of the game for a lot of people. Also, most people were not looting up to end-game shit in 1 or 2 days lol (unless they were running in a 6 man group and playing for 15 hours per day). In order to keep people playing, the game must be fun. Killing the fun of the game isn't good for player retention.
@@matthewjohnson6280 people are in it for the wrong reasons then. Everyone knows that if you aren't a streamer and playing this everyday you are already at a disadvantage. Why? because originally in Poe the more you play early on the league the better. Now it feels like I can jump on for a few hours after work and still get a rand GG item drop. All these dumb videos are of people following what the streamers feel and realistically it's better for everyone else, it's weird.
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I know, very dramatic title / thumbnail. I wish it wasn't necessary. The changes they made are absolutely mind-blowing. We were holding off judgement until we reached fully juiced maps but the difference is just absurd. Of course we aren't quitting "forever", we would love to come back as soon as possible, as soon as things change for the better. But as it stands no1 in my friend circle is motivated to even log in. What a sad day. I never thought I'd be so let down by a post from Chris himself.
Thank you for watching 660+ path of exile highlights, hopefully I can make more in the future. Until then, I'm going to play something else.
If only Last Epoch already had co-op, I'd love to watch you guys blast some group play there...
It's crazy how impactful this change is and to GGG I feel as if it wouldn't matter which sucks. I want 3.13 back and the fun factor redeemed. It seems as if they want Difficulty>Grind>Fun and it should be reversed.
Completely reasonable given the fact the game is disrespecting the effort you put in with the lacklustre rewards given back.
@@AdulAhmad68 tbh LE even without the multiplayer is still playable, it's so playable that I don't feel the need to have the multiplayer !
Heyhey Empy I'm a Lurker and RUclips watcher , I usually never comment on videos but I love what youre doing. A friend of mine and me took time off work to go for juicy maps this season and we absolutely got shit on. I love your videos and will watch every stream and video as far as I can from now on. I realized its you and not the game I love. The highlights youre posting are way better than playing this league and I hope GGG will listen to what you and your group said here. CU next stream for whatever youre doing
A couple years ago, without any thought but an open, happy heart, I posted a comment to one of your videos that read "The most important thing is to see you smile." You used it for the outro in the next video. I really meant that, that it's really nice to see someone else, even a perfect stranger, enjoy the game; that your good vibes are infectious; and that you have made the game more fun for many of us over the years. Today I had to see you frown, and that makes me really sad. :(
Damn bro that hits hard.
Such a killer comment!!
This is the saddest thing I've ever read, stop
100%
I wait till 2.0 as many others I guess
I'm an alch-and-go Stream of Consciousness player. I'm super excited that I can now finally farm as efficiently as Empy!
I totaly agree, I am so happy me and my favorite streamer dont have to risk dying to get 20c an hour. Hell I can run T1 strands all day and get the same loot as a T16 i dont even have to upgrade my character too.
Clear out vendor for maps. Clear T1-T5 maps. Delevel. Repeat.
Im also an alch-n-go, doing some yellow maps rn, but nowhere near 40c/hour :/, im using chaos recipe enhancer and all, poison BV, clears are pretty fast, but im having trouble keeping up maps, and i feel like i have no currency, i cant buy SHIT off the trade.
@@GustavoHenrique-sr5jw para de fazer chaos recipe em mapas amarelos, se a tua build conseguir, faz essences, e usa strongboxes para dropares 6sockets e venderes fusings early league
Lawl, /flex
When they say "we playtested it" I see in my head Chris Wilson running trough ledge finding 2 alterations instead of the 1 alteration he found on the same spot last league thinking "man this is double already, this should be fine".
Kekw
You meme, but having done QA in other games before, at least in my experience, high-end content was rarely tested due to not having pipelines set up to give testers access to endgame accounts.
@@automobilership9888 I meme but usually developers cant test their games for shit. Its not only in poe but in other games aswell.
I think they playtest with hacked in characters without actually playing through the game, so they have no idea what casual play looks like
@@gelion1990 Like just about EVERY game currently available as far as ARPG's and MMO's go lol
Thanks for everything Empy & Crew. Your group content made me so excited each league to play PoE. The meme museums, the min maxed builds, the lootsplosions, the league content shenanigans, the group project memes, I'll miss all of it. You've done so much for the community Empy and myself and others can't thank you enough.
-Life- Loot isn't fair.
Honestly f GGG I’m glad I quit I’m not complaining but I think people are tired of bs that ggg has been releasing. It’s no fun playing if you can’t even sustain alch and chisels lol and usually you could even currently in league last league was a blast got my 40/40 made a ton of money but I think I’m glad I didn’t play this league at all and thank you for everything empy loved your content and group play highlights Glhf to everyone that also played and is planning to quit
You’re being really dramatic about this lol. He said he wasn’t quitting forever. Acting like someone passed away or something lmao
@@TOGGGAA1 that's IF Chris Wilson gets his fucking act together
@@TOGGGAA1 Fr man like smd your moms also dramatic
This comment touches on the main issue here... If GGG's intent was to 'balance' the game so mega juicing stuff is no longer possible for the 1% and so an 'average' player has a more 'consistent' experience, they have completely misunderstood their game. Each season I look forward to watching Empy and the crew ultra juice maps and get massive loot explosions as something to always aspire to as I progress through the league.
That just isn't there anymore so there's nothing to really look forward to later in the league once my character is geared up and I'm doing more difficult content.. it's just not there.. so why keep playing if there's nothing to look forward to at the end game?
The mud has dried.
You guys just like to complain about everything, Didn't you ask us to fix the lag in juiced maps ? well, there is no lag when you don't drop anything 5head.
-Chris Wolcen.
I have played since closed beta and this is by far the saddest I have been thinking about the future of PoE. I usually give GGG the benefit of the doubt, but now I am at a loss for words. 20k+ hours logged in HC over the years and I am already done on Day 3...
exactly, ive always hated all the hate on poe this past year or so but this.......this is way to far, I started playing in 2014 and this is the first time I have felt that chris didnt have the best intentions of the game in mind. Its just so sad to see a game being ruined like this
I am done within 15 mins LOL
Not a very old fan but i have watched you Empy for a couple years and you have made my day with all the dumb, fun, dramatic and memy things you offered us from a single game. I never thought it would come to this, keep your head up and don't lose motivation!
I am also extremely sad over the state of PoE. In the past few years they have done everything they can to delete creativity while making the game "harder." They have introduced more or less mandatory defense mechanics that feels unrewarding to invest into (spell suppression) and increased monster damage and life while nerfing damage across the board. As a result I haven't had a single successful giga meme build in over a year. I miss the old sandbox poe where ideas could carry a build if you did it right. I get the feeling that trying to merge poe with poe2 has been the biggest mistake in this games history. Should have made poe2 its own thing while keeping MTX imho. Nobody I know wants this "new" PoE.
I keep checking forums every now and then for a new Wormblaster build, always makes me sad that there is none.
Lol oh please. You guys are such drama queens. PoE now is in a much better state than it was in your "prime". Sorry people stopped watching your videos but its not because PoE is "worse". But because you were boring.
@@mp7311 my mother is my sister too, genitaled one
@@mp7311 I agree PoE is getting better with each league. It's the fun element and build originality that becomes worse. Meta builds were always the strongest (that's what I always started with to get currency) but if you knew the mechanics you could do endgame even with meme builds.
Your Wormblaster the Third build was what got me hooked in PoE. It was a creative, silly build that looked fun to play.
Your content is a staple of what made PoE so great, player power, build diversity, and fun gameplay. Almost any build could work with an average budget so players could play what they wanted to play.
The contrast in the ambiance and voices between the opening clips and the current rift says it all.
It's not even upsetting, just sad.. Thankfully there are other games around but this really sucks.
People are flaming the crap out of GGG on the forums, and I feel like they deserve quite a bit of the shit they get. Yes we would never achieve the kind of absurd amount of stuff Empy and the 5 man group were getting, but jeez, if they can't get anything out of something juiced to the roof, well you can bet your liver you will get jack shit out of your maps.
Like someone in those forums said: Imagine destroying loot drops completely for a new league, "reworking" old content so it's now a completely pointless waste of time, and then you CONVENIENTLY fail to mention these insanely huge changes at all in the patch notes, but you DO have the gall to mention the +2 range buff to Cleave(A skill nobody uses because it f*cking sucks). These people are unserious profit-seekers. That's the only way to put it. They really don't give a flying f*ck how enjoyable the game is to play at all.
@@Hooga89 That is why you have to stop playing. That is the only thing they will listen to. Chris mentions player retention all the time, that is the thing he cares most about. He doesn't want people to quit, he wants them hooked and addicted. He is like a drug lord. Slowly take away the things they like, make it harder to achieve so they will grind more and play longer and pay more money, that always seems to be the design philosophy GGG is going for. Yes sure when people achieved their goal for the league they stop playing but that is not a bad thing, we have a life outside of league, there are other things to do. But Chris doesn't want us to do anything else but play PoE. He wants us grinding and chasing gear until the last day of the league and then start again. Fuck that!
They said rarity would influence drops so I tried having rarity on my gear, but that's apparently pointless as fuck
@@Secretfire21 bro we have same party set up as Empy with guys, we take literelly 3 simul splinters from alva on 5 orbs one time, its fucking amazing
@@BassFG sounds awesome and worth it. Totally better than me running my Heist with augment to chaos and augment to alchemy trinket
When the 6-man, fully stacked, insanely optimised group gets absolutely shafted by the lack of drops then what chance does the rest of the playerbase have?
-fun
6-man fully stacked insanely optimized groups got hit much, much harder than the rest of the playerbase, because that strategy goes all in on raw quantity/packsize stacking and almost completely ignores "reward based" content (which in a giga juiced map becomes too small a fraction to be relevant)... and the loot changes were specifically targeted to destroy generic quantity - most likely *exactly* because it was making content designed around specific rewards feel pointless (since you could just farm raw currency to buy these rewards instead, and past a certain threshold that would always be more efficient).
Having said that: even if I'm not as negative on the *concept* behind what these changes are trying to do, not announcing these changes beforehand is a very, very questionable move, and as of now they simply moved the "pointless" needle to other kinds of content, which doesn't really solve the problem. (delirium in particular feels like complete bait now - too much effort just for cluster jewels, and simulacrum splinters seem to fall under the "generic loot" umbrella)
@@eugenebarrett As a semi-casual who managed to clear all content in most leagues using mostly meta builds I would say the following. If top 1% is not playing then where am I going to buy my infuenced six linked white socket astral plate with crucial mods? Am I going to make it myself? With so much less EVERYTHING (such as fossils) on the market? From where I sit it looks like the middle-class semi casuals are hit the most (as always). However, at least this time, they succeeded in hitting even the top 1%. Question is: was it worth it?
@@janpeszek5897 I fear a middle class that has grown used to buying everything suddenly being priced out of their usual solutions might be a problem that I'm far too SSF to really relate to. But yes, chances are you might have to make it yourself; figure out what's actually crucial, compromise on what isn't, hunt your own fossils with a knife if needed be, etc.
@@eugenebarrett or just stop playing lmao
I understand how frustrating this was when it happened but I want to let people who come across this video now like how I did again, poe is back to a pretty good state. Even this league, affliction, has been the most profitable league for empy and his group. Rough patches happen but Poe is still worth getting into today
and now we're back to poverty... atleast we have welfare this league (boats)
Man, you CAN provide a possitive environment for people to chill. And you will do this. It's not about the game, we come here for you man. Just be yourself and play whatever, we will be here for you. Things will be better, just keep being you.
Never thought I would see one of the most positive and fun streamers be so down about what he's been enjoying for years. Keep your head up Mr Streamer!
This is the guy who told his viewers "life isn't fair" when he was in a streamer queue and nobody else could log in. Then compared them to kids dying in Africa.
Such a positive streamer, surely this isn't at all hypocrisy at the highest level. /s
Karma served. Don't reinstall the game Empy.
@@zigisamblak lmao true, people are so easy to forget what he did in the past , even in his d3 days, he is the only poe streamer that i hope to quit and never come back, nothing of valuable was lost
@@zigisamblak wow! that's so mean, he had priority in a queue, damn! he played the game some minutes or hours on advantage! give him jail time! I JUST CANT BELIEVE HE DID THAT! AND EVEN MADE A JOKE COMPARING THE VIEWERS TO KIDS DYING IN AFRICA?!!! HOW COULD HE??!!! HE DESERVES TO GO TO HELL
Like wtf bro, there's something that impacts some peoples fun over a couple of hours and making fun of it, and there's something that affects everyones fun for a couple of months (or more if they don't fix it lmao)
@@zigisamblak except the game sucks for everyone now.
@@zigisamblak imagine caring this much about a streamer queue, mad cuz bad
Don't blame you one bit. Took 2 days for me to decide to quit as well. I don't want a second job, I wanted to have fun. They took out the fun, turned the game into a job, and expect people to stick around? Lol, no.
At least i know that working a full time job pay off. This is like working full time and the company gives you enough to buy food so you dont starve to death while working for them. And every 3 month they cut down your paycheck so you have to work more for your food.
for real :(
Game was already a job lmao
It used to be fun and chill to me, started in 2010'ish, and the game is so power-creeped out now that it's a whole other beast. Because of the small percent of 80 hours/week players complaining that it's too easy, everything get's nerfed/enemies buffed to the point of just wtf.
@@helpme7213 minimum wage in america KEKW
their "vision" for the game is just a shield for when they make bad decisions and don't want to backtrack on them because it makes them look bad. As soon as developers start shadow patching nerfs you have a problem, look at BHVR and Dead by Daylight.
tbf the DBD devs are openly batshit and they only have like 2 people echochambering design..
No it isnt a shield. There is a consistent trend in their changes, chrust wants game to be longer and harder and he has been atempting to do so for years.
@@turbanheadless Chris even knew this would the reaction and doesnt really care - why else talk to Josh Strife Hays and say "10K players is just fine" in a BS interview in the weeks leading up to the league?
@@turbanheadless 100% correct
Sential: Oh too many drops makes them leave away in just 1 month!! Let's tune this down
Lake of Kalandra:Oh no drops makes them leave away in just 1 day!! Let's keep it
This is crushing. There were many leagues over the span of the past decade where the game just didn't do it for me, but I always enjoyed watching your streams and YT posts, especially your end of league projects with friends, in my down time. In a few leagues it was the only thing that kept me connected to the PoE experience and brought me back for later leagues. Hopefully they recognize the damage they did and find a middle ground, but until that time, I look forward to your new adventures! Keep spreading those good vibes :D
Used to love poe, skipped last lesgue and this one. I wish we had more alternatives in arpg gaming world.
last league was dopeeeeee
@@mertarac2152 Ive heard it was a blast, but I played a lot in 3.17 and 3.18 state haven't really been changed so I skipped it.
play last epoch
its flat out better then poe
@@mertarac2152 lets not kid ourselves the only thing that was dope last league were recombinators lol
@@robertwatkins4121 I mean considering you could consistently drop 1ex every 7 white maps with sentinels I disagree. Not to mention the indirect card drops they give you.
I'm a casual that only really got back into it since 3.17. the altas changes made so much sense It was easy to get into the game as a new player. I don't know what they did, but even as a casual with a noob SSF traps build I was averaging 7 maps return per map, and that's on just single alch'd maps nothing else i didn't even know what scarabs or frags did! it felt great and addictive to be able to run a ton a maps knowing i would not get starved and could search for gear.
WTF did they do? I refuse to believe it was tested. For you guys at the very top to get screwed bad is one thing, but the down stream effect to us casuals is just as bad, I can't even afford to alch a map! whats the point? where's the fun gone?
EDIT: whatever they changed in patch "f" has made it much better btw it feels good again.
Big agree, uniques are highly overpriced because vets barely find any, currency is extremely low droprate all around the game. Even finding linked gear or linking sockets is much harder now.
its not just as bad, its worse on people with even less juicy and more time force on you to do anything
What are you playing so you can't afford to alch a map? SSF lightning trap, T8 maps, about 50 atlas tree points, alched every map I ran and there's 50 more remaining, which is better than last league by about 20
@@wumi2419 i'm not just alc starved, I'm everything starved (apart from armour scraps + whetstones) I'm map starved mostly. Last League was amazing for me I averaged 7 maps return on every map. Now I barely get 1.
It's not just me saying it everyone said there's no alchs dropping. You must have got very lucky, did you not watch this video 6 man crew who run the most juiced maps in the world got 1 map back after investing 240c the other day (before they quit).
It's broken.
@@BuzzaB77 I can see it being broken when expecting high returns with uber strict filter.
I can't say I'm more map starved than in any other league, leaguestart is always like that until you get a backlog and variations start to average out. Also I'm doing normal ssf stuff like buying maps I did not complete yet from Kirak and running heist and delve occasionally. Haven't got anything from heists yet, but delve was relatively nice
Watching the slow trainwreck of POE by a constantly disconnected dev team hurts me so deeply, it was my favorite game for so many years. No other ARPG could even come close to being a POE killer so GGG went and killed it on their own. I quit playing POE a long time ago but watching your content was still always so much fun. I hope you find other fun games to play.
remind me of eve online, lowest player online count happened in peak ustz couple days ago.
lowest since 2006 !
If you quit a long time ago you don’t know shit about the game. You have no actual view of the game
Holy fuck, the drama you guys create is beyond insanity.
@@THEVINI3011 It's either drama queen or blind sheep. Grats on being team 2.
@@THEVINI3011 yeah how dare people voice their opinions. After all GGG is part tencent now, so we shouldn't talk bad about our overlords. China number one!
Gratz to 100k Empy, looking forward for more content you enjoy.
Dont´t force yourself to sth. which does not make fun or sense.
We love you anyways.
Thanks
This was a very emotional video. You can see and hear how much these decisions impacted all of you.
I hope you guys can find something else that is just as fun to you.
Much love
This whole league deserves to be in the meme museum
Should make "3.19" out of Mirrors in the Stash. Or perhaps Portal Scrolls, to be more accurate.
a sad day, indeed
… the god gamer mammoth came to pay respects? This truly is a sad day.
Best part of the league is watching you guys farm, I play SSF so it’s like seeing a different game. The team and banta is great and excellent viewing. If you are doing something else I hope it’s you all playing together
Last league was the first league I ever farmed a full mirror with a very minmaxed Int-Stacker build (not the 300mil dps mirror tier wand+squire 10link stuff, but a regular one with like 100mil dps) which literally cost me like 2-3 mirrors worth of exalts too. I had so much fun that league and sentinels, played like 6-8 hours every day til the end of the league. That last time I had so much fun and playtime was in ritual league. And then the sad nem3 and fractured map nerfs incident happend.
I read the patchnotes for lake of kalandra and thought, that it would be fine, the exalt-divine change would be a little hard, because there is only one divine card and no shards for divines(and ex shards were big. Running a rusted harbi scarab, and occasionally a gilded one when you hit the sextant, yielded so many passively generated ex, more than solo farming for some cards without a high investment). I was excited for a new economy and how items would be priced. The league started, i hate leveling, but i pulled through, saw the first guys in maps and got scared, no loot, map sustain on the lower end, not even enough alchs to alch and go maps. Now ex are at 7c, thats nearly half the price of the expedition map craft (LUL), so its cheaper to slam maps than use the map device.
I'm always following your streams at the start of the league, because your group is always an inspiration for me to "adept" your strategies as a solo player, with lower investment, but still good income and seeing you so disappointed was really sad and it kinda killed my mood for the league as well. Tried some juice things in standard, and getting like nothing is soo fucking bad.
I can understand, that ggg wants to slow down the game for poe2 and it got out of hand over the last years, but why are they always introducing speed clear leagues, when they want to slow down the game. It all started in 3.0 with abyss. To slow to kill? No chest or depth. Legion, no time to clear 3 screens in 10 seconds? No loot for you. Delirium, run b1tch or you wont even get a scroll.
They made the playerplase to adapt to all their mechanics with speedclear builds, they basically formed their playerbase to play fast and efficent. And now, without any communication that they reduced the loot to like 5% will crack up the community, with only the real hardcore fans being still in the game.
I cant imagine how the game feels for a casual or midtier player, who normally wouldnt farm at least 2-3 exalts (divine) per hour. They dont get gear, they cant progress in the atlas and they cant even make a small amount of currency to at least trade for some basic items for their build.. Sad times.
I hope that you will find something else in the meantime, and when youre back to poe, I will be lurking.
I asked Empyrian on stream to compare the rewards in a stash tab with previous leagues, and the result speaks for itself. Really good content, ty!
GGG's heard people complaining about the 1% players that have all the money all the gear and make more in one map than some will make in a leauge. They addressed those concerns by making endgame so unbearably unrewarding that the 1% players refuse to play it
That's a good thing. This team used to make more currency in a single run than most players make in an entire league. It totally unbalances the economy. 99.9% of players aren't able to get a dedicated farming team like this even if they had the time.
While simultaneously managing to make the game stale to the other 99% of players at the same time.
@@TeleologicalConsistency Yeah and if the team that fully maxes out farming to make as much currency as possible makes barely anything and actually goes into the negatives when doing end game maps, then what will happen to the 99.9% of the players who already weren't making much loot before this league
@@cattolord33 Critical thinking is lost on that guy.
@@cattolord33 trickle down economics doesn't work IRL or in gaming buddy
Currently debating after 10 years of playing this game do I even want to keep going either.
Remember how fun and chill it was when you could just play with any build you wanted and not have to be meta to win?
quit it brother!! that's the only way to make change
@@Breakbeat. man i know.... it's tragic. poe used to be so much fun. you just make whatever u wanted and do kinda ok with it and even do really well with it if you invested a reasonable amount in. now it's a second job with little to no payoff that forces you to play whatever is meta otherwise you'll never progress. it's so sad.
@@100percentNotaBot explain how it is hilarious
@@Breakbeat. Vividly :(
This video hit hard. As an SSF player my experience can feel very isolated at times. Didn't fully understand how bad shut was overall. Really hope GGG responds asap
Their response was basically saying most things were intended and followed it up by promoting their loot box… Ya hate it see it :/
@@Its_Just_Tim yeah that was ridiculous. I meant a follow up to that and the community's response
SSF is also less fun. The whole game is less fun.
Congrats on 100k Empy!🎆
taking it slow this league because of job but its horrendous at act 5 with no basic currency maybe half an alc and some alt's 0 chaos 0 regrets got a unique staff as a drop and thats it really slow progression if you are not playing a meta skill i just hope they fix this by the time I get to maps since this basically made the game 10x more grindy with no guaranteed currency along the way.
forgot to say rip lighty and all the masochists trying to collect uniquest in ssf ;__;
I used to love this game, im from South America and i learned english only to can play this wonderfull game with this amazin server and helpfull. But league after league they just say one thing to us: They don't like us! everythig that we found and start to have fun, they found a way to destroy it. every fun build, every fun farm, every crazy method, ALL. they dont let us play with NOTHING. they dont like we play the way we want. they try to oppress us to do what THEY want we play. Im leaving too, because this time they destroy EVERYTHING. we dont drop ex, we dont drop cards, we dont drop NOTHING. We just cant play. and they are just ignoring everybody. because they want we play with what their way. THANKKS EMPY, SNAP, RASMUS, INDEED, EVERYBODY. You made me have fun for years, and every league. even being terrible in this game. I TRY AGAIN. learning with you and others streams, and enjoying. really thanks for all. i hope you back someday and maybe i back too. but all my friends leaved, my favorite streamers leaved. what im gonna do alone here? without friends. without itens. in a game that they
Apparently dont care about us. im fine! goodbye PoE!
Make your words my words!!
I feel the same
Its actually sad to hear you guys be so demotivated, ive always had a blast watching you guys blasting for the first week. Hope it gets better.
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never hit that like button harder before x)
2:16 from this vid ruclips.net/video/c1GxjzHm5us/видео.html
byebye
I never comment on videos ever but just wanted to say thanks for content. It was so fun to see PoE pushed to its absolute max and all of the meme museums made along to way.
thanks for this kind of negative coverage from a HUGE fucking streamer in the community. it's really important big names speak up and not just people like me on reddit about how fucking horrible so many changes to the game are especially in the wake of chris's awful response to all the criticisms and frustrations.
I'd really like all the big streamers to just acknowledge all the fucking awful antifun anti casual, and even anti 1% juicer changes and express in whatever way they can (some people cant quit cuz its their entire job) some amount of serious negativity about it.
Its in leagues (beta testing for free).. not the game.. idk why people began assuming leagues was poe. They should stop letting people carry things over to regular game.
I quit myself few leagues ago. The fun builds got ruined. The fun chase uniques got nerfed. The playstyle moved more towards hardcore. It's their "vision" but it's also killing their game. Good luck to them.
If they give you a ban in this league, you have to complain for the other one, the same does not happen
This is so depressing and dissapointing , everyone i watch is eithe unhappy with the state of the league or quitting and i understand why cause i quit too , i watched your highlights since harvest sad to see it go like this i hope they fix it and make you guys come back and enjoy the game again
Thanks for all the content man. Watching you guys every league start was always a blast. Sad to see the current state of the game. Hope we can see you guys play something else. Maybe it is D3 time again for the memes.
12:16... twitch chat wulfgar_RED: "Zana knew what's coming and she abandoned the ship" hahahaha that is legendary.
Mad respect for you and the crew. Even if it’s not Path, I look forward to whatever comes next!
whatever comes next, like what, Path?! cause that is what he is still playing lmfao...
:( Keep your head up brother. I feel for the main content creators that do this for a living the most. Especially those that aren't varienty PoE Casuals like yourself. If you need anything I'm here brother ♥
Thank you for all the hard work. I'm a console player. Watching you and your friends really helped me in the past learn how to play high end content an super juiced maps. An how to have a ton of fun doing it.
Your videos really inspired me. An kept me excited to play more.
It's a sad day for all of us. I don't even think I'll try in two day when we get the update....
"get your magic find characters ready" LOLW
Seen the game change a lot over the years, been playing since it’s debut
Just have to weather the changes and hang on till things get better
12:00 227c with 5 people investment, each made 5.6c, POG! Now doing a heist is worth it!
Damn, I wish I had discovered ya'll leagues ago. Those old clips were great and I would've loved to have known even a bit about juicing methods. Here's hoping GGG does something positive.
It’s insane how bad these changes are. Not sure why developers feel the need to implement things they “think” the community needs or wants but then they end up getting feedback on how much of a dumpster fire it was. The transition from exalts to divine orbs is terrible, harvest changes are terrible, beyond is terrible. Wonder what else they’ll fuck up and realize they shouldn’t have messed with it. Godspeed Empy.
the worst part is people are defending this and overlooking the fact a major part of the game was stealth changed
Those people are probably not mapping or got lucky. Give it a week and they will say the same.
This was not a stealth change. They said that the algorithm for loot drops got changed, so that powerful rares give more currency. Of course, this is not the case and it will get fixed or reverted. But it will take some time.
@@GE_Photon_Lord show the patch note where it said this.
And they did not say they are fixing or reverting it. If they did, please post that also.
@@mrfreeman2911 I didnt say that they said : we will revert our algorithm, this is more like my copium take. (aka lets hope it will get fixed soon). And they mentioned the algorithm change on a post about rarity of drops.
I found it, its on the "what we are working" on post on the poe site. They basically changed something în the old algorithm, so I suppose it didnt go as planned (obviously). Classic ggg btw
@@GE_Photon_Lord that was AFTER league launch is the point before the league launch i think we got at most one passsing line mentioning anything about loot in the manifesto
Last league was def one of the most enjoyable to me due to recombinator's. I ended up making an item worth close to a mirror because of it, don't think I'll ever have the same experience again.
8:32 And i felt like that many times. Previous nerfs hit hard and block progress for more casuals players like me. And when i complain, guys like you ridiculed me. "stop crying and adapt" "this game is difficult, maybe not for you" etc. Now when nerf affect top players ability to progress, you guys crying. So learn and adapt, this game supposed to be hard and challenging back at you.
More streamers should follow your lead.
I'm starting to get the feeling that some things got nerfed to stop currency farmers 🤔
Imo that's exactly why they switched exalts with divines too.
Well, now they cant be gods in 2 days playing the league. Im sad....
@@Oexcozinheiro exactly
The best part about a new league is watching your group's loot explosion everytime you exit a temple waiting for something expensive to drop. I guess we will see you guys again when GGG fixes this, if they ever do that...
yeah i'm quitting for as long as possible for ggg to learn the fact that we aren't npc's but players that have requirements towards a game
Imagine usually getting more in a few maps than most get in years prior, then still going to (this league) averaging way more than most players do daily and being upset cause you don't make 10mirrors a day.
Enjoy paying 150 chaos for your tabula this league
@@SkritchB don't need one, nor do I believe they're going for that lol
"We are quitting guys !!" yeah right, still making contents and advertising for GGG.
They fixed their game actually.
Its more for casual players like myself now.
I made about 30 divs + my gear in the weeks that I actually played the league. I got my first level 100 and I am up to 38 league challenges. I usually quit around 5-7 challenges.
This have been the best "new start" for me in the game in years.
I hope ggg dont listen to you whiney wankrs when they drop 4.0.
hoo they will man i hope we wont see you online, stay in ssf where u belong
This aged like cheese.
It’s literally a targeted change specifically to stop you from doing what you do. It’s only the biggest change ever for you in particular. Vast majority of the player base does not MF + 6 party juice their content, yet everyone is impacted by the economy being flooded with currency from these. You may not like it, but don’t act like this is a problem for most players.
Nonsense, it's a PVE game, who cares if some group is making the hardest maps in the game and being rewarded for it? Got some convoluted reason why it somehow impacts you? Play SSF, solved.
You know... even as a veteran that has been playing since early open beta and I could finally come back to PoE after 5 leagues, I was having issues killing some rares in the campaign and I did think maybe my damage and HP were bad cause leveling poorly. Glad to know the pros did the math for me and yup, I agree. It looks terrible.
Honestly, its better this way. Makes finding currency and items finally much harder and therefore rewarding. No longer a million of the same builds running around. Forces you to actually build a character and focus on it. The game was broken before...the people complaining are the people selling the in-game currency for real cash. No one should've been able to get to end game the first day or few of league... No one should've earned several mirrors if not tens/hundreds of mirrors in a single league. Don't pretend like the game wasn't so broken it wasn't even challenging or fun anymore. If the game was the other way around and it went from hard AF to gear to how it used to be, everyone would be complaining they ruined the game. Not even back in D2 days would you ever find so much wealth in a single day, let alone every single day of the league... the game was completely balanced, and we all loved the grind and when finding a high rune, or a near/perfectly rolled item it felt extremely rewarding.
You guys found a loophole in the game and exploited it and taught bots/resellers how to farm the game beyond reasonable measures and basically ruined the game. Literally every league was beatable in the first few days and therefore majority would quit with in the first 2 weeks.
Totally agree with your take.
Thanks for taking the time to compile it all.
Honestly, its better this way. Makes finding currency and items finally much harder and therefore rewarding. No longer a million of the same builds running around. Forces you to actually build a character and focus on it. The game was broken before...the people complaining are the people selling the in-game currency for real cash. No one should've been able to get to end game the first day or few of league... No one should've earned several mirrors if not tens/hundreds of mirrors in a single league. Don't pretend like the game wasn't so broken it wasn't even challenging or fun anymore. If the game was the other way around and it went from hard AF to gear to how it used to be, everyone would be complaining they ruined the game. Not even back in D2 days would you ever find so much wealth in a single day, let alone every single day of the league... the game was completely balanced, and we all loved the grind and when finding a high rune, or a near/perfectly rolled item it felt extremely rewarding.
You guys found a loophole in the game and exploited it and taught bots/resellers how to farm the game beyond reasonable measures and basically ruined the game. Literally every league was beatable in the first few days and therefore majority would quit with in the first 2 weeks.
WAHHH I CAN'T FULL GROUP ANYMORE AND GET FULLY GEARED UP IN A COUPLE DAYS :(
I like the loot changes. I like this league experience overall. I rly enjoy playing.
I too also enjoy deleting maps from my inventory. It's faster than running them.
you're still playing tho?
how to destroy your playerbase before releasing your next game, GGG presents - Kalandra League
Getting rid of matth and empyrian in 1 patch? I think I'll have to buy another supporter back to show them my appreciation
im really happy because you and your friend not playing this league.
This is just sad. I've never seen you this unmotivated, this unhappy and this defeated. Even when you got banned in Ultimatum. I really looked forward to playing PoE, haven't started the league yet, and if GGG doesn't revert or substancially change the league, I guess I won't be playing this league. I don't know what GGG was doing when developing, planning and testing the recent leagues. Don't get me wrong, I had an absolute blast playing Sentinel, but in the beginning the addition of the Archnemesis mods didn't feel good, didn't make the game more rewarding, didn't add needed stuff to PoE. Now I really don't fucking know when they thought to themselves when designing Lake of Kalandra? Do you really not like your game? Why destroy something you worked years and years on, making huge advancements in gameplay, adding a huge amount of fun content? I just can't understand that. But ok, people make mistakes, every league there were changes to new mechanics, improvements (e.g. increasing rewards in delirium, toning down archnemesis in sentinel, etc.), but why not admit it and change, why double down on "this is a good change"?????? Hopefully they reconsider their statements and revert the league or whatever you do, when you fucked up bigtime.
Honestly, its better this way. Makes finding currency and items finally much harder and therefore rewarding. No longer a million of the same builds running around. Forces you to actually build a character and focus on it. The game was broken before...the people complaining are the people selling the in-game currency for real cash. No one should've been able to get to end game the first day or few of league... No one should've earned several mirrors if not tens/hundreds of mirrors in a single league. Don't pretend like the game wasn't so broken it wasn't even challenging or fun anymore. If the game was the other way around and it went from hard AF to gear to how it used to be, everyone would be complaining they ruined the game. Not even back in D2 days would you ever find so much wealth in a single day, let alone every single day of the league... the game was completely balanced, and we all loved the grind and when finding a high rune, or a near/perfectly rolled item it felt extremely rewarding.
You guys found a loophole in the game and exploited it and taught bots/resellers how to farm the game beyond reasonable measures and basically ruined the game. Literally every league was beatable in the first few days and therefore majority would quit with in the first 2 weeks.
I will not log in anymore just to be in solidarity with you and your group.
Whoever thinks you are overreacting should remember that you once got banned from an entire league and you still preached GGG's decision.
Besides, you are not the only one upset about all of this, seeing Ghazzy like that broke my heart.
Much respect Empy!
Been a fan of you for years, I remember getting into PoE because of your "Project book". I'll be here to watch whatever comes next, you're the GOAT, man! EDIT: just saw that this video two years old I'm a goober
Aww thanks :D i’m here no worries, that league just sucked xd
Empyrian: Let me get +20 mirrors in a week or i will rant , this is the best league so far (the rich doesn’t get richer)
Neither does 99% of the playerbase/anyone not doing heist. Lol you must be new
@@minibleau nope , been playing for +3 years actually
@@exotic4550 and you dont see how that makes your comment worse. Being new wouldve been an excuse for stupidity.
@@minibleau quitting because cant print easy currency this league is cringe
@@Aglat1c1 not easy. all you see is the explosions not the background prep and effort that goes into making a functional 6 man group, whats 'cringe' is envy.
Boo hoo. Can't take advantage no more. Good riddance.
Abusing party aura , party bonus and still complaining ? Might as well call it path of party
The playthrough clips, with the look on Empy's face, are the most depressing things I've seen in a while. The look of utter defeat and a realization that spending as much time as was spent to rush to this level and see no rewards is... crushing.
Kinda sad to see you so down. I don’t play anymore but I always watch all the vids because of the positive vibes, insane crafting sessions and end-league projects. I am sure GGG will come to their senses though. GL Empy
Usually enjoy your videos but this bitching is pretty cringe.
This is not a competitive game, it should not be balanced around the top 0.1%.
Imagine not being able to get a fully kitted character in the first few days of the league and thinking that is a bad thing.
People forget the origins of this genre involved farming the same bosses for weeks/months in diablo 2 for a chance at the items you needed.
Enjoy a dead league
So all I hear is you crying that you aren't getting a 10-20x profit on your investment. Cheers. Generally speaking I make *maybe a 10% profit, 20% if I am lucky, and you are crying over 1000%+. Get over yourselves.
Sounds terrible.
@@Empyriangaming You miss understand. The amount of loot you were getting was grossly over inflated. The fact that it went on as long as it did is astounding. In 1-2 maps you made as much as most people make in an entire league, and it shouldn't have been happening.
I play hockey in a garage league. And i cant even imagine the league manager comming in our room at the beginning of the league saying :hey guys we made some changes to the ice.. we put rocks in it but its fine you can still skate. I know because i tested it and its rough and weird but it works you will need new blades every period but thats for the best.... thats how i see the changes they made to the league
The most beautiful and best ARPG is going to end this way. Feels so sad to see this shit happening, it went downhill... Great job GGG.
quitting because cant print easy currency this league is cringe
Loot is literally what the game consists of lmao
@@LEK I know it is but farm it like others have to
@@jays4496 yeah because it is so much fun to farm stuff right now, especially since you cant sustain maps and lack alchemy orbs right now
you currently make loss by running maps
@@LEK thats just not true lmao
@@jays4496 9 Days ago, before all these patches, it was pretty true.
In fact, loot is still not fine.
these crybabies gonna be back, they are just that... crying... they will get over it.
Seeing Empy not smiling while playing is surreal, my man's at ggg really dropped the ball this time
Honestly, its better this way. Makes finding currency and items finally much harder and therefore rewarding. No longer a million of the same builds running around. Forces you to actually build a character and focus on it. The game was broken before...the people complaining are the people selling the in-game currency for real cash. No one should've been able to get to end game the first day or few of league... No one should've earned several mirrors if not tens/hundreds of mirrors in a single league. Don't pretend like the game wasn't so broken it wasn't even challenging or fun anymore. If the game was the other way around and it went from hard AF to gear to how it used to be, everyone would be complaining they ruined the game. Not even back in D2 days would you ever find so much wealth in a single day, let alone every single day of the league... the game was completely balanced, and we all loved the grind and when finding a high rune, or a near/perfectly rolled item it felt extremely rewarding.
You guys found a loophole in the game and exploited it and taught bots/resellers how to farm the game beyond reasonable measures and basically ruined the game. Literally every league was beatable in the first few days and therefore majority would quit with in the first 2 weeks.
@@SanityUnknown 90% of poe players cry about not being able to make currency, now top game breakers say it's impossible. It doesn't feel more rewarding if you strip 80% of rewards from your game, it feels shit, I don't enjoy fighting shaper+ hp rare mob for vendor trash
@@jojowasukranian8131 What you aren't understanding is, people complained about currency because for the common folk it was a rare drop, while these buffed up 6 man parties would find thousands of exalts a league and countless uniques in which they'd buy out the market and price fix, which will still happen but now items will be more rare and everyone will find the same forms of currency therefore making everything way more affordable for the common folk. It'll feel just as hard to gear now as it did for the casual player back then because of the price spike. Just making it harder for the hardcore gamers to get to end game in the first 8 hours of gameplay. But one thing I do disagree on is that a buffed up 6man party map isn't dropping much at all. I do think the drops should be a little better. But I can't tell you how many Baal runs, Diablo runs, Meph runs a Magic Find Soc had to run to find even a single decent drop... I think for PoE when you do finally get Meta geared you should be finding items and currencies at a higher rate but I don't agree every map should be promised with several exalts or 6 socket 6 link items, let alone 30 belly of the beast armors.
@@jojowasukranian8131 I agree they should've warned people and explained better. But.... What you aren't understanding is, people complained about currency because for the common folk it was a rare drop, while these buffed up 6 man parties would find thousands of exalts a league and countless uniques in which they'd buy out the market and price fix, which will still happen but now items will be more rare and everyone will find the same forms of currency therefore making everything way more affordable for the common folk. It'll feel just as hard to gear now as it did for the casual player back then because of the price spike at that time. It's just making it harder for the hardcore gamers to get to end game in the first 8 hours of gameplay. But one thing I do disagree on is that a buffed up 6man party map isn't dropping much at all. I do think the drops should be a little better. But I can't tell you how many Baal runs, Diablo runs, Meph runs a Magic Find Soc had to run to find even a single decent drop... I think for PoE when you do finally get Meta geared you should be finding items and currencies at a higher rate but I don't agree every map should be promised with several exalts or 6 socket 6 link items, let alone 30 belly of the beast armors. I like the idea before reaching that level that everyone has roughly the same chance to gear up. Obviously more or less RNG and game play time will play a role. But no longer will it be a one-day league completion for anyone.
I can’t think of another company that has a game that the player base really like and purposefully turn it into shit because the ego is too fucking out of this world.
Wildest thing is that they didn't even mention loot nerfs before in the patch notes. That's absolutely crazy. The untransparency.
Man i used to have fun playing this game when my friend and i got my aurabot up and running doing the league after heist, and we had so much more fun than playing 2 dps builds trying to not inconvenience each other. Then the league right after aurabots was nerfed into the ground and we both just quit completely. It really feels like GGG is balancing based on, " NO FUN ALLOWED "
The league i enjoy'd the most was harvest because for once i could get into red maps and see how end game looks like. Never reached that since.
I can understand the direction they want to take Poe pre poe2. I can see how they want loot to work and think it could be done right but there needs to be more testing before it touches live servers. The changes are to night and day all at once. They need to slow nerfs to drop , in order for their dreams of Poe drops to work they will need to head down a more targeted loot pool. I personally didn't play this league but I've watched content creators play and share opinions (I often do this and start leagues 3 days late intentionally). We just need to hang in there , they are changing things over time and although this was a painful experience they are making changes in the direction of improving and correcting. Content creators and forums are the avenues to voice constructive feedback. Chris does a wonderful job communicating with the community and always addresses their mistakes and don't hide from it. A change shouldn't be met with quitting though as that truly hurts development funding. It's just an all around hot seat and GGG is sitting in it with us players and are trying! We've had the pleasure of sooooo much content (free to alot of people) with much more to come. Work with ggg and not against.. we have one of the best communities out there. Remind them that!
Dude i hate to see it and hope they come around fast, you always made me smile. Thanks for that.
This change will lead to a stronger economy, and the inflation rate will be way much on the control. And party players will no be able to completly get monopoly over the Poe market. And actually league mechanics will get more rewarding especially for solo player's
Excited for you to make content about path of exile 2 or diablo iv in the future!
Did you maybe put those quantity reducing jewels like in that test for loot 2.0 a couple of years back lol
It's interesting to be on the side (for once) that is just happy "enough" with the game as it is. I haven't enjoyed any league after heist, absolutely HATED archnemesis anything, but that had been toned down enough to not annoy the shit out of me 24/7. It absolutely still needs work, don't get me wrong, but at least im actually playing now. Not to say it isn't an issue, but the loot changes didn't bother me much.
My biggest gripe is harvest. I was excited at first, but then learned just how nerfed it was. I wouldn't bother with it in future trade leagues as it is. In SSF, I only can see myself using it for fractures, enchants, and possibly some reforging of clusters or similar where fossils aren't ideal, or essences don't work at all. Additionally, I basically never get t4 seeds. Happened twice, in many harvests, with all the atlas passives. Can't believe that was actually buffed; now I know why I never saw one after hundreds of hours in previous patches. When harvest was introduced, it was an SSF dream. I never had more fun with the game. I had a folder full of screenshot items with notes for future harvest crafting. I was REALLY involved with that mechanic. GGG seems to hate it though. Literally and very seriously.
The way Chris talks usually gives off the feeling approximately like: "can these god damned players stop breaking the game and play it like it should be played?" It's very much the motivation of hardmode, so that whatever idea of fun he has can be enforced.
Well, great news, hardmode arrived early.
I came across with your work on ultimatum league (with all the crap that happened there) and since that I grew respect for you and the crew you play along. I've learned a lot here and 13min17sec is truly sad :/
I just hope they will revert some of this shit
I posted in one of Snap's videos at the beginning of the league that I wasn't optimistic about the shift to Divine and while I was expecting a rough economy, this wasn't precisely what I meant but nonetheless it's very disappointing to see this. Whether it be the top end of competitive PoE in the form of players such as Ben choosing to just stop playing or group players such as Empyrian, Snap, etc. I hope that this is fixed swiftly and if not, it was fun while it lasted. Good luck guys.
it is what it is, just because you arent making 10x your investment dont mean its game over. IMO its way more balanced now as compared to people like me who dont spend all day running 200+ c maps.
I'm not sure why you think that your loot will be close to what it was last league. If 6 players are making a profit of what a solo player was making last league, the solo player is probably making much, much less.
do you think putting a ton of investment into a map shouldn't give you a ton of return? I'm sorry about the brain damage.
Funny right? item fiding is harder now I guess.. but doesn't that make it more rewarding when you actually find an item?
Im not sure about you but Im from d2 and grinding games like this is about killing monsters over and over and finding nothing, then one day get a gg item. I have been saying to my buddies who play POE that this game is far too easy to loot up in 1 or 2 days.
In order to keep people playing you must make them earn the loot, its not about juicing maps over and over.. its about playing more and more and hoping to find a gg item.
Now this is also subjective, I do think that some rare mobs are FAR to hard to kill... but that dont mean bump up the rewards on them.
@@fabbiotimpano I suppose it would be more rewarding to find a good item, but the gameplay isn't as fun. A lot of people play PoE because you can kill mobs at a really fast pace. Slowing down the players takes the fun out of the game for a lot of people. Also, most people were not looting up to end-game shit in 1 or 2 days lol (unless they were running in a 6 man group and playing for 15 hours per day). In order to keep people playing, the game must be fun. Killing the fun of the game isn't good for player retention.
@@matthewjohnson6280 people are in it for the wrong reasons then.
Everyone knows that if you aren't a streamer and playing this everyday you are already at a disadvantage. Why? because originally in Poe the more you play early on the league the better. Now it feels like I can jump on for a few hours after work and still get a rand GG item drop.
All these dumb videos are of people following what the streamers feel and realistically it's better for everyone else, it's weird.