Why didn't Ashley Eckstein play Ahsoka in The Mandalorian?
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- Опубликовано: 11 июн 2024
- Why didn't Ashley Eckstein play Ahsoka in The Mandalorian but Rosario Dawson did? That's the question that's been floating around since Chapter 13 of The Mandalorian (The Jedi) came out on Friday. There is a solid reason, I promise...
What do you guys think? Should Ashley have gotten to play Ahsoka in last week's episode?
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I just hope Ashley will continue to vioce acting Ahsoka in other materials.
Lol of course, Disney would be crucified if not
Assuming that they would still continue her story in animation, that would be Ecksteins specialty. And the live action part would continue for Rosario in the Spin-off show.
It’s an even balance so both actresses are on a level playing field playing Ahsoka.
@@Fi_Sci_ yeahhhh... I understand what you’re saying... and I’m not saying you’re wrong... I’m just saying that without question I would rather have Ashley over Rosario any day of the week, I mean those robes were pretty baggy, who could say she couldn’t just use a stunt double?
@@drewdavalos2746 indeed. Ashley Eckstein was the Ahsoka I grew up with, so of course I would want her to be more featured in other material besides Animation.
I’m just looking at it realistically since Rosario has been brought in as a Live action Ahsoka. So while Rosario will take the stage as the Live action version, I am certain that Ashley will still have a presence as the animated version.
Ever since the mandalorian came out star wars has gotten back to its roots and I'm giving props to both Favrough and Filoni for that. So Disney knows and understands star wars much better why it appeals to the fans. Does it still need work? Possibly yes but the stories and what connected to the audience is much more resonating to the audience. So Disney will continue to use Eckstien in animation. Who knows; Eckstien may get a cameo in the live action Ashoka show.
Don't forget that Christopher Lee was actually a trained fencer and a bit in real 🗡️ smanship. He just had to rehearse to perfection
There was nothing that man couldn’t do. He was a qualified pilot, could fence, had several heavy metal albums, trained as an opera singer, and was a founding member of the SAS, served behind German lines as an operative of the SOE (real life agents of shield), could ride a horse, speak 12 languages, and to top it all was a bloody nice guy.
Except he didn't actually do any of the swordfighting. He just couldn't do it physically and was body-doubled.
@@PumpkinTuna not in Star Wars of course not he was 80+
@@madcapmagician3130 and he hunted down freaking Nazi’s man
@@madcapmagician3130 I would not even consider to tarnish Sir Christopher Lee's legacy with saying that he was like a real life shield agent. The guy was blowing up German airfields, airplanes, and conducting sabotage missions that were also considered suicide missions. His work, even though he said we was not at liberty to say what he did, was very much like the American counterpart OSS. The skills he learned to execute with extreme prejudice was the same techniques they taught at Camp X, and I would not be surprised if he was there for any duration. The man also fought in the Gurkha regiment. The very same Gurkha's who repelled a Banzai charge and then charged the bastards screaming out their own battle cry "Ayo Gorkhali". Gurkha's are those badasses who would use a damn 18 inch curved blade over their rifle and whipped everyone with it. They were not allowed to pull out their Kukri's unless blood was spilled, and if they just pulled it out to show someone, they had to cut themselves to honor the tradition of spilling blood when pulling their blade. Sir Christopher Lee was/ a legend and his work alone in WW2 makes him hero status. Also, riding a horse is not something huge, a lot can do it today and back then, even more knew how to ride a horse.
It would be awesome for Ashley to have some sort of cameo in the Disney Ahsoka series. I can't see them not doing that somehow.
uhhh
well about that
@@senaz94explain where did she come out
@@gloBrian wdym like she wasnt in the show at all
@@senaz94 bro just explain it bro where she come out at
One small detail you forgot to mention about the differences. Live action acting requires memorization of the lines. Voice acting you have the script in front of you. As somebody who’s done both, I can tell you there’s a huge difference in the performance. Also, not having the script in front of you as an aid, really makes things much more difficult if you are not an experienced and prepared on screen actor.
Thank you! Finally! Exactly, I've been there. I'm a voice artist, and I've dabbled in doing auditions for live-action roles, but I can't seem to do it, because I can't memorise the lines. It's absolutely *essential* !
It also requires stunt work and sword fighting training.
He did mention that.
@@MyLibertyTV yeah, he mentioned that too.
Considering she's been in several live action things. It's clearly a hard miss. Also, rosarios acting of her was too robotic.
What do you mean she has the voice on lock? She IS the voice LOL.
Just as Palpatine is the Senate
I mean when you do it for so long, you kinda get the feeling a voice should sound. So I would hope she would have it on lock.
It seems these narrators don't write this stuff.
But apparently not going to be the Actor.
She is Ahsoka hands down!!
I think of Ashley in “Batman” terms.
Bale was a great movie Batman, but animated, it’s gotta be Kevin Conroy.
Each masters in their own universes.
Conroy is definitely the best batman, same with Hamill being the best Joker (For voice actors)
Personally I would have dubbed in Conroy's voice in place of Bale's whenever Batman had to speak.
The difference between Bruce Wayne's voice and that of Batman would have made it complete and we would not have to suffer from that horrible voice that Bale used.
@@pogo1140 better than Affleck though.
@@michaelmckinnon1591 I actually like what they did with Affleck's Batman voice. It's the same technique that they used for Smaug. It allows the voice to be distorted while keeping it understandable.
@@pogo1140 yeah but Affleck's Batman voice sounded like either he had really bad gas or was in the bathroom trying to have a movement and was constipated, Smaug's voice was ok though.
It’s also worth noting that Ray Park didn’t voice Maul in The Phantom Menace either. Peter Serafinowicz did. He was also “The Sommelier” in John Wick: Chapter 2.
He's also Ed and Shaun's roommate in Shaun of the Dead.
and the live action Tick, and the one novacorps dude in the first gotg
@@evans.3720 😃👍 You are awesome.
Yeah I feel like they glossed over The 'Wicz contribution here
@@evans.3720 Im sorry maybe this is a stupid question but what does gotg stand for?
I’m back 2 years later after the Show and I gotta say they should’ve just hired the voice actress 😂😂
Fun fact, Ashley also narrated the entirety of the Ahsoka novel for its offical Audiobook. Just a little something to note ::
So they just used her for marketing materal but didn't want want pay her the big bucks for the character she literally helped bring to life? Classic Disney overlords am I right?
I loved her in the Ashoka novel sucks they retconned that as well :/
The Ahsoka novel was the worst book I ever read. Put me off Star Wars novels completely. It was pc Disney Star Wars
The Ahsoka novel was terrible. There was a chance for a good story there, but that author is trash.
I love the novel, but the audiobook is... Not great... The thing is, Ashley is a *fantastic* voice artist... But a terrible audiobook narrator, sorry. Listening to the book, it's difficult to tell when she is being the narrator, or there is Ahsoka dialogue, because they would the same. And she struggles to give other characters their own, unique voices, too. It was great hearing Ahsoka play Ahsoka for the Ahsoka book, you know? But I'd rather that someone else did the narration and she only did the dialogue, or that she was given some training/Direction by audiobook specialists.
Ashley Eckstein ALSO read for the audiobook "Star Wars: Ahsoka".
I'm pretty sure the name of the book was just "Ahsoka."
@@alvallac2171 Indeed. Corrected.
Its unfortunate that that book was an awful send-off/bridge between Clone Wars and Rebels
@@alvallac2171 I'm listening to that now!!! It's fun😊
@@doodlebug1820 now she just needs a brilliant audiobook to read.
This video aged poorly after the Ahsoka show lol
Ashley Eckstein's love for Ashoka is also a quite clever career move. She took possession of the character by making it her branding hence why the question in the video is even raised. That fans align Ashley with animated Ashoka meant that it was hard for them to replace her. So while she did a great job and made Ashoka one of the most beloved SW characters of the modern era for Lucasfilm and Filoni, she also made sure they were indebted to her performance and physical voice as the only one they would dare to contract for the role unless they wanted to upset the fans. So all-in-all pretty clever.
Very true, but I clearly remember that period & being a little embarrassed for her, that she didn't go about it with more subtleties, & if you're making this comment & 5 others agree, the chances are a lot of people caught that. Life can be very tough for actors, or any artist for that matter unfortunately.
Rosario Dawson was essentially picked by the fans.
I just don't know about this take to be honest. I'm not sure if you meant it to seem like a jab, but it sorta does. No disrespect intended, but what actor hasn't done this with a successful role? I don't even think they have a choice, especially with Disney. The "branding" could really be chocked up to standard promotion for the franchise. She also played the character for years, not just watching Asoka grow up but mature into a strong independent woman that the fans ACTUALLY love. Not just some stoic manly girl boss like the new Asoka (not at all a dig at Rosario, just a massive waste of such a good casting choice that the fans were all in on). All the benefits that would come from playing such a beloved character in one of the worlds biggest IPs would come no matter what, no cleverness needed. Also, its Disney, all they do is branding. Just my worthless two cents. Interesting discussion though.
@@SpaceJockey805 The merchandise from this show is already on clearance, along with its Nielsen ratings. The fans have spoken. This show was about as entertaining as watching the bottom fall out of a wet sack of dogsht.
The animated Anakin from Clone Wars sounds nothing like the live action prequel version, but voice actor Matt Lanter has now played the character more than live action Hayden ever did. They are both Anakin to me, just as Rosario and Ashley now are both Ahsoka.
It was mildly surprising though to hear some prison guard sound like Anakin... 😜😅
Yeah... not saying you’re wrong... not saying you’re opinion has any flaws... I’ll just choose waiting for the Tano show so Ashley can get like an acting show or professional trainer or somethin rather then having Rosario as Ahsoka any day of the week
@@HarmonyEdge WAIT WHAT??? What episode??? I must find it...
I dont say this in a bad way cause im sure shes a great actress but id personally prefer Ashley as i think most would the Mandalorian kinda did a bad job with Ashoka in look personality and especially fighting style wheres all the cool agile spiny flips
Anarkin in Clone Wrs is likable, but he is not likable in the movies
Ashley, Rosario, love them both. We are lucky star wars fans to have them both.
So do I. Both women are talented in their own ways.
100% yo
I wanted Rosario to play Ashoka while at the same time having Ashley voice the character 🥺
@@jasperdullano3434
That would have been horrible!
Facts ANDDDD the best take on this
I wasn’t ever interested in the Ashoka character until Rosario appeared on screen. She has that, once was a hot little teenie bopper, but now is a mature and powerful, beautiful woman. She’s everything you’d hope Ashoka would become.
Exactly when I think of the character she fits it in every possible way.
Ashley should be used if they do any flashbacks of the clone wars in the Ahsoka series, maybe even Rebels flashbacks. Your reasons for her not to do live action are accurate, but Rosario Dawson studied Ashley's vocal/speech patterns to play Ahsoka in live action and she got it down. I'm pretty sure I remember an interview where Ashley approved of Rosario's performance of Ahsoka in the Mandalorian season two episodes.
They sound nothing alike to me. There were several spots I noticed her intonation was not like Ahsoka that could have easily been done.
@@TheJobieadobe I'm fairly sure you don't sound exactly like you did as a teen. Time changes everyone.
@@tracylyell9440 I will have you know I sound EXACTLY how I did in as a teen! Just kidding. I meant like her intonation and feeling. To me Ashley's Ashoka just feels more caring, compassionate and empathetic. Where Rosario comes off smug and cocky. At the very least she should have had Ashley say all the lines and coach her how to say them like adult Ahsoka would.
Christopher Lee was not only a fantastic actor, we was a British commando in WW2. His record shows that he was every bit a professional badass. Even Palpatine would show respect. Hell, he even made death metal Christmas albums before he died.
Yep. There are bad asses out there but fewer and fewer that were bad ass enough to stomp into Occupied Europe and off Nazi's to bring freedom to a continent.
Heck if not for male primogeniture his mother would have been a countess and hed of been a Count in his own right. He fit the role to a T
Sir Lee’s OSS record is so impressive it’s still actually sealed by the British government. And he never talked about it in detail, which is always a sign somebody saw some serious action.
@@johansmallberries9874 and hes widely believed to be the inspiration for James Bond, since whil his cousin ian fleming worked for MI6 too, ian was a desk jockey
Also we know 1 thing about christopher lees record: he hunted nazis. He was a nazi hunter. Thats all we know
@@ConnorNotyerbidness Kind of ironic that the man who played a Bond villain may have been the real life inspiration for James Bond himself.
Another thing to mention is that Ashely is 5'2 while Rosario is 5'7. That along with her age matching closer to Ahsoka's time in the Mandalorian and her acting experience is why she was better suited for Ahsoka in live-action than Ashley. I think she did an incredible job. Ashley is why the character is beloved and really shined in Clone Wars Season 7. But now it's Rosario's turn to play with the character and I'm excited to see her in more material.
I can see Ashley playing Ahsoka in the Kenobi show IF they go flashbacks and use the younger version of Ahsoka. With Hayden set to appear and the possibility of flashbacks, who knows.
@@Jprimus No because the voices would be way too off and there's no confirmation or word that Hayden will show up in the Ahsoka show all we know is that he is going to be in the Obi-Wan show
“Size matters not” -Yoda
@@georgecampbell9638 It does
5'2 could have worked for Ahsoka its not like she was tall. She was average for a female. I also don't know enough of Ashley Eckstein to know if she would be a good fit or not. I also think Rosario Dawson did fine. I was not overly impressed but I was satisfied at least. To me she was forgettable and I think it had to do more with her voice and it just didn't come out as a voice suitable for Ashoka.
Edit: Honestly after looking up Ashley Eckstein I think she looks like a better Ashoka and during the clone wars she physically did the fight between her and Darth Maul. Her Height is perfectly fine which is proportioned well with her body, we wouldn't have noticed. Her face also looks like a better Ashoka than Rosario I did not like Rosario face at all as Ashoka it just did not fit Ashoka at all like what we are used too. Even with Ashley Ashoka's face would have been a mature face and would have been just fine with an older Ashoka. She doesn't have a baby face at all. After comparing both seems like Rosario was more of an in house pick that was decided outside of Dave's control. Probably had allot to do with politics which we are used to seeing with Disney. Not saying that is the reason but it could be a possibility since there were better more proven choices who didn't even get a chance to tryout for the part.
I just hope that in animated materials ashley continues to play her part. Rosario did a fab job as Ahsoka and the change in voice didn't phase me much since some years in universe had passed, since we last saw ahsoka, so things do change.
We all would've lost our shit if we got an animated Ahsoka show. God, yes
I'm pretty sure Rosario used Ashley's voice as the basis of her portrayal.
I definitely heard Ashoka in Rosario especially with how she enunciates. It definitely sounded different than Rosario’s normal voice.
Yep. A good actor does their homework!
It made sense why Ashley wasn’t considered for the live action part, mostly because she doesn’t have many similarities when it comes to Ahsoka’s structure, whereas Rosario does have those similarities which helps the transition of animation to live action that much smoother.
The voice is arguably the only thing that could take you out of the moment. But I personally wasn’t bothered by it since Rosario did a phenomenal job replicating Ahsoka’s mannerisms and attitude.
I’m looking forward to how much further Dawson can take the character in her spin-off show.
She (Rosario) Doesn't just have. She looks exactly just like her
@@akirathearchibald7958 precisely
Had I been in charge, I would have certainly auditioned Ashley for the part first to see if she could do it. If she couldn't (or she didn't look right) I would still consider having her dub the voice, strictly in an authenticity and continuity sense.
While I was a bit disappointed she wasn't involved, I think Rosario Dawson did an excellent job, and looked/acted the part extremely well.
@@strongblade
This is why I'm glad they don't just let anyone make these decisions. Dubbing the voice would have been worse than Luke's face!
@Netties Kid2294 my guy have u seen the clone wars!?
04:20 Do you honestly think it was Sir Christopher Lee dancing and jumping around with a lightsabre ?
Sadly, I have to disagree with most points on this video. Rosario didn't have any emotional range in the series and was criticized for being very stiff in all her fighting scenes. I think Rosario was only a good pick due to her looks, otherwise maybe Ashley would have been the better call because she is already so in tune with the characters mannerisms.
yeah agreed. Her Cosplay was on point, the character WAS her. And then everybody got hot about a more known actor with THE SAME SKIN COLOR play Ahsoka. Basically she was robbed, without even seemingly getting the chance to audition. I do agree Rosario despite being a lovely and great looking actress does seem very stiff in the fight scenes. Especially for someone who is supposed to be so adept at fighting.
Katee looks like Bo Katan because they literally designed the character to look like her.
Yeah... I thought that was kind of a dumb statement.
i feel her chin is off, but thts like a minor nitpick, still pull it off well
Really? They don't look alike, remove the haircut and you've got a random animated woman face and a random real woman face with just very basic features in common. Not once did I think of Katee Sackhoff when I saw Bo-Katan back then.
@@Siile_ Maybe that's because both Clone Wars and Rebels had a distinct style of animation for doing facial features? You know the exaggerated jawlines, eyes and cheekbones that are on literally every character? That might be it.
My biggest problem with Katee is that she is too young. So Bo-Katan doesn't age in 30 years?
Wait ASHLEY was the seducer in that Drake and Josh episode? Wow, this is a rather surreal revelation, and pretty Sith-like too....
Watching just after finishing Ahsoka series. Makes you miss Ashley.
While I accept the fact that Ashley doesn't have the experience of Rosario with on screen acting, I have to be honest especially after the Ahsoka series Rosario never once felt like Ahsoka to me, nor did she really look like her either. She also really seemed quite wooden and the character didn't feel right even after seeing Anakin again. While some of that may be writing flaws, I really don't think it could have been worse with Ashley playing Ahsoka. So far I've never been convinced by the idea that Rosario plays Ahsoka well. She plays her character decently, but that character is only Ahsoka because we are told that she is, not because she feels like Ahsoka.
I couldn't agree more!!! Maybe it was writing or directing but Ahsoka and even Hera were much more compassionate and caring in Rebels. I think Yara Shahidi would have been a better choice with Ashley on vocals
I totally agree, Ahsoka always bested her opponents by being agile and light. I feel like Rosario is stiff and slow. Also (possibly due to bad writing) but Ahsoka in the her show completely lacks the kind of presence she had in Clone Wars and Rebels. Her character always acted as a beacon of hope and she would lift everyone up just by being there, I don’t feel that at all in the new show.
@@jmextrom there is a video of her back stage with Hayden and they are laughing and hugging and she honestly looks like Ahsoka more not acting then this cold hard stiff Ahsoka in the series
What isn't mentioned is the fans casted Rosario. Years ago a picture went viral that drew a concept with Rosario as Ahsoka. The pic spread so much that Rosario saw it and commented that she'd love to play Ahsoka if she had the chance. Finoni or the powers that be heard of this and agreed to actually make this happen years later! What literal - service! BEST DECISION EVA!
Yep that’s exactly right well said
Very true, love when someone gets the entire picture!
Rosario Dawson also really wanted to do it for years before it happened. So not only did you have someone who ticked all the boxes but would very much put the energy behind it too.
Magnificent..Magnificent..MAGNIFICENT
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Rosario campaigned herself for the role. Imagine the passion she put into getting the role and look at the end result!!! Marvelous job!!!
Christopher Lee was a swordsman, he didn't need to learn much
Mr. Lee is still 1 of my favorite SW character. He just made sense to me. My favorite character to play with on Battle Front as well.
He also said in an interview on the special features Blu-ray discs that a stuntman did all his swordfight scenes.
@@JohnFourtyTwo that's besides the point, Sir Lee actually could sword fight, it's why he got a curved hilt and fighting style, (Form 2) to show his precise attacks, from fencing.
@@jasoncp3257 I never said he couldn't but in these movies he said he didn't because of his age.
@@JohnFourtyTwo words without a context or established meaning should never be expected to deliver the correct message
There is one actor who matches Ashley's love of the character. BehindTheVoiceActors has Anthony Daniels as C3-PO in 15 shows, 5 movies, 8 games, 2 rides, and 2 ads. He's quite devoted to the role.
5 movies? he voices 3PO in all of 13 movies, including Star Wars episodes 1-9, The Clone Wars movie, The Lego Movie, Rogue One, and Ralph Breaks the Internet lol
@@RedRacc I think I read that and was reading the show count as movie count.
Anything that has ever had C-3PO in it anyway or form and has a him speaking is Anthony Daniels. Nobody else has ever done that character except him.
@@havok2111 actually that’s not true, Simon Pegg voiced C-3PO in the Phineas and Ferb Star Wars special
@@RedRacc well I stand corrected. There is one instance where he didn’t voice him, and honestly, I’m incredibly shocked that he didn’t do or allowed anyone else but him to. If you look at his credits he’s made far far worse appearances as C-3PO, and the Phineas & Ferb special was actually good too which makes it even more surprising he didn’t do it.
I have been a massive Star Wars fan since I first watched a New Hope 35 years ago when I was six years old and my love for it has not waned since. Through all of the movies, the books and comics Ahsoka quickly became my all time favorite character in the franchise. So it was really important to me personally to see her portrayed correctly in live action. So I was upset that Ashley was not able to be the live action Ahsoka, however when I saw how Rosario embraced the character those feeling evaporated. Rosario has done an excellent job taking the animated Ahsoka we last saw and developing that character to being more mature and more haunted by her past, but still have that sarcastic sassy side we all love. I can't wait to see her in the Ahsoka TV series. To me Ashley and Rosario share that character and are both Ahsoka.
you made it sound like rosario was shit in the middle there
What do you think now that the Ahsoka series has aired?
@@alphaneuron9045I second this question!
@@alphaneuron9045she kinda the young ahsoka actress did a better job tbh idk no disrespect to Rosario Dawson she just doesn’t bring the emotion the same to the character even after episode 5 it feels off
@@ozzieoswaldwalton6941 She doesn't at all, she is more a bland reading-the-lines boring version. Not at all Ahsoka. It looks bulky, off, and overall boring. I agree the young Ahsoka did a much better job than Dawson. She is a great actress. But not for a role like Ashoka. Not at all.
Let's also realize that Ashley herself has complimented Rosario's performance, and Rosario has paid serious respect for all the work Ashley did to establish the character. It's more than likely that without it, Ahsoka wouldn't be nearly as popular as she became, nor would she have been brought back in Rebels.
Can you point us toward some examples of this? I know I would feel a lot better knowing they are in each other’s corners and supportive of each other. I didn’t think that was true up to this point but I would love to be wrong about that.
@@TomKrochock I agree fully! If I were Ashley, I would be hurt that I wasn't chosen to play the character she breathed life into... if it weren't for Ashley, there would be no Ahsoka!
@@TomKrochock if I'm not mistaken it's in Ashley's insta where she compliment Rosario's take on Ahsoka
@@Andrew-se4tg really?! The character would have been garbage without Ashley, huh? Ahsoka being one of the main characters of a 7 season Star Wars show has nothing to do with why she's so popular? Having one of the best, most fleshed out character arcs of any character in a Star Wars show or movie? Some of the shit people say on the internet is so astoundingly stupid....
@@Andrew-se4tg
You don't understand Hollywood then. She probably knew from the beginning there was no chance of playing Ahsoka in live action.
Going forward Ahsoka as a character is much more important than whoever voiced her in the cartoon
I love Ashley as Ahsoka’s voice, her voice is very distinctive. Even in those clips that were showed I was like that’s Ahsoka! But Ahsoka’s character is a little older and hardened by her life in hiding from the empire for all those years. I love Rosario Dawson as an actress and she was very capable of bringing Ahsoka to life. It’s like I said on another post. I’m sure it was at the forefront of Dave Filoni’s mind when they did the episode. I mean Ahsoka is Dave’s baby. He created this character and he’s worked with Ashley for all these years, so I’m sure it pained him a little for her not to get the role. Still it made sense to bring another actress onboard to do the part, plays do it all the time. One night one person plays a certain part and on another night, somebody else does it. I was just happy with how everything came together this season and wished it’d been longer.
I love both actresses portrayals of Ahsoka equally, and ultimately, I think it's a good choice to do it the way they have because of how much Ahsoka's character has changed throughout the story and her arc, just like how Anakin/Darth Vader's character was portrayed by different actors throughout the series to portray Anakin/Darth Vader's changes & growth at that point in time, same as with Obi-Wan/Ben for example, especially after Ahsoka discovered the truth about Anakin, then fighting him as Darth Vader in Rebels, the fall of the empire, growing and maturing all along the way in her own path outside of the Jedi order, but also a part of the last surviving remnants of that culture in the galaxy, and a part of the rebellion. Having multiple actors helps solidify in our minds how those changes have impacted the character, and shows a clear change in who she is, just like many other characters in the series who undergo a serious story arc. I think that where she is as a character in The Mandalorian and her own standalone series, is a much more mature, experienced, and in some ways refined, near master of the force and that portrayal seems to fit the casting choices made by Dave Filoni, the creator of that character. Whatever he chooses, if it works, I respect it.
This video is so high quality, great work!
you can tell Rosario Dawson cares and she took the time to learn Ahsoka's movements and cadences to bring them to life. i'm 100% on board with Rosario. maybe if they want to show a scene from when Ahsoka was 14, they could have Ashley step in.
Couldn't have been said better. At 1st I was disappointed despite liking Rosario Dawson very much, I had wanted Ashley to get the live action role. But it wasn't until I actually watched The Jedi episode that I came to truly appreciate Rosario Dawson's commitment to the role. As you can tell she watched every single episode of The Clone Wars to get a sense of the character imprint Ashley Eckstein left on the Ahsoka character, then drew from it when playing an older more seasoned version of the character winning me over in the end.
I noticed she did try to match speaking style.
Apparently Rosario also insisted on Ahsoka keeping the blue eyes, when it was suggested that maybe she really didn't need to wear the blue contacts.
Now I know I'm strange, but it's always bugged me at least a little when a character that's supposed to have a particular color eyes suddenly doesn't, so I really appreciate Rosario making the effort.
@@guarddog318 as do 👁...JK. Did Katie Sackoff do the same in regards to Bo Kattan 🤔 Either way SW Fans can truly rejoice in this time of great renewal! We're gonna get spoiled with ALL of the content that is coming. For fans who remember when Lucas ignored SW for 30 years, its enough to make us blow our lids with excitement 🤯 Mandalorian is the best thing to come to SW and Rosario Dawson was better than I anticipated. The story was so good, any imperfections can be ignored completely but there aren't many.
@@shankshoanatlprez4453 - I don't know about Katee... I saw an article on the news page concerning Rosario and the eye thing though. She said that somebody suggested she didn't have to wear the contacts, but that putting them in helped her really feel in-character.
Btw, I haven't watched season 2 of the Mandalorian yet. I'm gonna binge the whole thing when I get the chance. ( In a couple of weeks, probably. )
Fortunately I'm one of those folks that don't mind spoilers in the least.
Honestly it doesn't make sense that one actor has to portray the same character in various media. Hayden Christiansen wasn't brought on to voice Anakin for the Clone Wars and we all learned to love the new portrayal of the character. Same with Obi-wan, Palpatine , Padme and a host of other characters that appeared in the prequels but didn't handle the voice acting. Why? Because it wasn't necessary. More than one actor can portray a character, add their own nuances to the character, especially when the character is translated into another medium. I think that's exciting. Kate Stackoff is better known as a live action actor vs a voice actor, so it makes sense why she would be brought back. She's a rather popular tv actor who's well loved in the sci-fi community so her being cast wasn't a stretch. Ashley has been amazing as a voice actor and deserves all the credit for Ashoka, but after portraying her for all these years it's more than acceptable to pass the baton and allow another actress to portray the character especially in live action. I mean I love the Justice League animated Universe but I can't see those actors playing their characters in live action. I realize Kevin Conroy did a small appearance on a CW crossover , and hearing his voice was great but I can't imagine him playing the traditional Bruce Wayne in spite of his amazing contributions to the animated version of Batman. My point is these characters are bigger than the actors that portray them, passing the baton actually adds a new layer to the method of the character.
*Katee Sackhoff
*Ahsoka
Thank you, the characters are bigger than the actors!
And we need more people of color first and foremost!
@@Esfuerzo31 skin color is irrelevant, specially if they’re going to be wearing body paint.how about you ask for more talent than anything else
@@alexisdelcarpio8945 I was being sarcastic
Seeing Ashley in Cosplay, she looks more like Ahsoka than Dawson does imo.
The question I never heard asked is: Did Ashley WANT to play Ahsoka in live-action?
At one point in the show I just felt that Rosario Dawson sounded like ashoka not with the sounding like ashoka but the way she talked was like ashoka and she looks like a grown up ashoka from rebels so Rosario dawson did a fantastic job to me
i agree totally
you can tell Rosario Dawson cares and she took the time to learn Ahsoka's movements and cadences to bring them to life.
Yeah when she approached Morgan both times, I just saw Ahsoka from Rebels when she finally confronted Vader. Rosario nailed it.
@@jwoellhof yes she had ahsoka’s head movements and lil quirks down pat
*Ahsoka
I would've at least given Ashley the chance to screen test for live action Ahsoka, but in the end, yeah, Rosario was the better choice (and you don't hire Rosario Dawson just to dub her later).
A joke... Her facial structure doesnt match at all
Wait so you are telling me that an actress doesn’t look exactly like an animated character. The horror!
@@lune5289 Remember Count Dooku’s live action vs animated
@@lune5289 you going to bitch about how the animated versions of Anakin, Obi-Wan, Mace, Yoda, Padme, Leia, etc don’t match as well? Get over it.
Great point about not dubbing over Rosario's voice. I can imagine the protests and uproar if someone had the nerve to do that, especially considering all the experience and success she's had.
The range of emotions in Ahsoka was so difficult that we could of put a block of wood on screen and got the same out come.
Ashley did a great job doing Padawa Asoka. They needed to bring something different in order for her to play a Jedi Knight/Master
Rosario is a known actress. And she did great. Spot on casting.
Why do y'all care honestly they were both great.
Unless i'm wrong, I don't think Christopher Lee did any of the lightsaber fighting. His head was CGI'd on a younger swordsman.
I miss her voice but Dawson plays her very well to so both are great
Remember that this isn't a one time deal, where Ashley could get by with her limited screen acting and be done with it. There will be a series devoted to Ahsoka, and you need a seasoned actress who's done plenty of action films to fill the role. I am very happy with Rosario's performance and I look forward to see more of her.
Not necessarily devoted to the character but this franchise deserves the best treatment.
Ashley's voice was great for a younger, more pluckey, version of her character whereas Rosario's voice and physicality is excellent as an older and more jaded Ahsoka.
GrizzlyTank Agreed, id love to see Ashley play a teenage live action ahsoka in flashbacks though
dude... her species lives to be over 400 years old... so she would still be young and plucky in this time line lol
@@OAwesomeO uhh, no. The Togruta species has a lifespan comparable to humans. She’s middle aged in the Mandalorian.
@@GrizzlyTank no dude her species live to 80 years if they are not force sensitive and if they are, it is 200. At that time she would be around 30.
@@GrizzlyTank nope dude just look at how old shak ti is
I know this is way too late to say and I know the monetary cost would be crazy but I still think that if anyone could pull it off it would be Disney.
1st: One of two things could happen. The first thing would be to host a worldwide cosplay challenge to find the best Ahsoka cosplayer in the world. Then do full photogrammetry scans of the cosplayer in all sorts of outfits to get 3D models to work with. The second would be just to make a hyperrealistic 3D model of Ahsoka in all the outfits she needs to be in.
2nd: Use the same sort of filming style as James Cameron's Avatar movies with a mixed martial artist for the fights and an actress for the close-up face animations. Overlay the 3D model just the same as they did with the Na'vi.
3rd: Have Ashley Eckstein do the voice and only track her mouth when she is speaking to sync it up with the face model's animation.
4th: Lots of money would have been spent on a lot of different people to make this happen. Lots of hype for the show as you would have seen the worldwide cosplay comp all over the place. Crazy amount of opportunity for Disney to make a lot lot more money from merch and adds for the comp and show. Even after the show is over Disney would have Ahsoka as a character forever as it's now a 3D model and would never age allowing them to milk the character forever if they wanted to.
Will it happen? Hell no. Would it be cool if they did? I think so but it still would never happen as Disney wants money "now" not later on.
The point at 5:24 is even stronger now that there is a whole show in live action based off of the character.
Being real here, the character has ethnic features, Ashley does not, plus Rosario has on screen experience in big movies and other shows, I really can't see anyone else playing the character, it was a good casting choice that the fans stood by
Her only ethnic feature is her big lips. Ahsokas eyes are blue (possible for ethnic people but more common in white people) and her nose is quite small. She is built very small which can apply to nearly every ethnicity.
???
Ahsoka is fucking orange.
Not sure why TV show producers think black people are orange. They did this for starfire too, but that's a whole nother level of butchery.
Anyway either way they had to use orange makeup, and all sorts of other props and shit. An orange/white/blue alien.
@@Flandre-Scarlet obviously she’s orange, that doesn’t mean she doesn’t have ethnic features lmao
@@idabjernemose Her noise is wide like Zendayas so no
I was waiting for this comment lol yes I agree. Seems like people dont want to say it lol. They can get away with her voice in a cartoon. But I feel like Ashley playing Ashoka could offend alot of fans. It just looks right finding someone that looks like her Especially being the adult version of Ashoka. Dave be knowing what he doing lol
Rosario has wanted this role and respects the character. Along with the reasons you pointed out, this is prime casting.
Redubbing the lines is a pretty standard practice in TV and movies. I remember in the commentary of Farscape Ben Browder and Claudia Black were talking about how nearly all the dialog in Farscape is redone in post with ADR (automated dialogue replacement) because there's always so much background noise on the set during action scenes and that was 20 years ago, it's probably even easier now.
I hope they at least gave her an honest screen test. She deserved that much.
While I think Dawson was the perfect choice, I think it would’ve been cool to see the stunt woman who did the mo cap work for the Ahsoka/Maul fight
She is Asian tho and looks nothing like Ahsoka
I think it's unfair to claim Ashley couldn't make the transition. Kind of insulting.
Her cosplay doesn't look good
If it was a guy, they'd have sent him to the gym for the role.
Ashoka was modeled after black people soo
@@onceafetus169 funny, I thought she was a togruta.
She was also a cast member on the sketch comedy show "Blue collar TV" which shows off her improv skills.
One thing you’ve completely missed which was extremely prominent over the Internet, fans were petitioning for Rosario Dawson to portray Ashoka which is why she got casted.
I can't think of someone who could have done a better job of Ahsoka. Rosario did a great job. There is a difference between animated and live-action just like there is a difference between voice acting and acting, so with that in mind, it was a near-perfect portrayal.
Ashley just wasn't enough of a physical match for Ashoka and as you point out, Rosario has the resume and the look. Hopefully though any future animated projects featuring Ahsoka will continue to be Ashley's territory.
*Ahsoka
There’s also a chance that she just didn’t want to. She’s getting older, is probably already set for life, and these tv shoots can be brutal. Also like you said, she probably wants to avoid the hate train if she messed up, she was already on the receiving end in 2008
Though I must say, Rosario Dawson also looks exactly like ahsoka. She’s got the angular features.
She's done all the other Ashoka voices. I doubt she would turn down this opportunity...
@@TheJobieadobe She's a VA mainly though. She might just not want to be on camera.
@HydratedBeans yeah I can’t lie, Ashley is in no where near as good shape as Rosario. She’d have to diet and work out like mad to get fit which I can imagine wouldn’t be viable
@@TonyStark-zt5fe she’s also pretty short, which can make shooting action scenes harder. It’s usually easier to shoot action when the actors are roughly the same height. And yeah, getting in shape when you’re 40 takes awhile.
@HydratedBeans yeah that’s a really good point about her height making shooting action scenes harder; I imagine the duels with Baylan would’ve been harder to do. Also because Ashley is short, it’d be harder for her to look slimmer on a ‘normal diet’ - she’d need to cut lots of calories
Interesting that you say she looks nothing like Rebels Ahsoka, I would say that they designed the model after Ashley
Side note she also read for the entire audio book Ahsoka. Which was a really good book and worth a credit on Audible.
i don’t understand why this is even a question... rosario dawson has the acting and PHYSICAL background to pull this off... the reason why katie sackoff could do a live action bo katan is for the same reason... just that simple it’s levels to this.
*Katee
@@alvallac2171 *kayteeh
@@alvallac2171 thx for the correction that just confirms im right
Exactly
And also cuz shes ethnic and needs to be put more in white predominant star wars
you didnt speak about age. Ahsoka is older in the live action shows and a bit different than she was in clone wars and rebels so she would have turned into a slightly different person.
Wasn't Bo Katan's animated appearance based on Katee's?
I just wanted to say Ashley's performance as Ahsoka is one of my favorite things about Clone Wars. Her performance has a lot to do with Ahsoka becoming a fan favorite at this point. The fact that it didn't start that way at all is a testament to her abilities.
Why didn’t James Earl Jones play young Anakin in the PT? Is that the next question?
He was busy leading his kingdom of Zamunda cause his son was busy finding a wife
MAAD TEE 🤣🤣🤣🤣
Really? He was too old, black, and Jones was playing VADER, not Anakin. Dumbass. Not the same circumstance. Ashley could have very well played the character if she was more action-packed and had stronger facial features which she was capable of achieving though more acting roles and surgery. But there was no way Jones could de-age and re-race himself to play young Anakin which would take an act of Harry Potter magic. So your attempt to being a smart ass and making a point did not work out well for you. -_-
@@devontehuntley6274 bro chill the guy was just making a joke.
@@SS_Anubiss It was a stupid joke and one he never should have made. I don't take those lightly. He probably meant it too like the dumb person he is.
Eckstein doesn't have the experience for a physical role like this. Simple as that. Wasn't a question in my mind that Dawson was right for the role.
Here’s hoping that Ashley Eckstein will make a cameo portraying another character like Matt Lanter did in Season 1.
Because Ashley doesn’t have the right face for an older Ashoka.
and also skin. and black facial features. jesus christ.
@@ajayche7842 exactly
And height
She looks more like her in Rebels than Dawson.
Rosario Dawson did a pretty good job as Ahsoka, and it's not given to everyone, as this character is amazing. But man, Ashley still is gorgeous, has a magnificent voice, proved she can be physically a convincing Ahsoka, and she did so well at voicing the character... so yeah, i think i would at least have considered her as first choice, and have given her a try...
For real what a missed opportunity at the very least she's so much younger and could sell the important action scenes. At the very least I would have dubbed over Rosario at the least
4:20 yeah check that again. Dooku had a body double swordfighting and Christopher Lee's face was just CGI'ed on top.
Rosario was fantastic. She obviously studied ahsoka's mannerisms especially the last scene where she was smiling...perfection
i told my wife the same her mannerisms and idiosyncrasies were on point
I thought so too. She also had the voice of an older Ahsoka too I think. I honestly think it's crazy that some people don't see it.
When I realized Ahsoka’s voice actor was Susan in Drake and Josh knowing when I was younger, I had the biggest crush on her Susan character even if she was a lying cheater lol
Ashley is iconic as Ahsoka's voice but I feel like Maul's was even more iconic which is likely also why they used his voice and dubbed over it. It is hard to dub a voice, and I think Maul's short scene was easier to do. If they ever do decide to put Maul in longer scenes of whatever else, they would likely choose another actor to do both a great voice and acting. Why? Because it's difficult to dub but it would probably cost a lot to do that too. Two different kinds of actors, more editing, more time, etc.
FWIW, I read that James Gunn, who will now be managing the DC movies/tv, is planning on only hiring actors for the animation who could, if required, play the character in live action. And I read that some voice actors aren't too pleased with that decision, for the same reasons you mention here (but in reverse).
Most people are forgetting that actors loop their lines all the time so having Ashley dub Rosario's line wouldn't be a problem regardless of how much dialog was involved. Also, the animated Anakin looks nothing like Hayden so Ashley not looking like Ahsoka is irrelevant because it's called ACTING not finding a picture perfect duplicate. Also, Ahsoka wasn't tall and Ashley's height is about average and with the head appliance she would've been taller especially when wearing boots.
I have no problem with Rosario playing Ahsoka because she was hired to play a part, pure and simple. We don't even know if Ashley tried for the part or not.
My apologies for my naïvity here, but what do you mean by "looping lines", please? Thanks in-advance.
Ashley Eckstein eye brows just don't work. I think that Rosario looks like her enough that she passes. Also, Rosario Dawson has the physical body shape to pull it off. So I think it is a good choice to recast Ahsoka.
Ashoka is basically a black girl. Ashley clearly don't look black. Rosario has those awesome juicy lips and is a great actor. She looks perfect for the part, how a older Ashoka should look.
Ashoka is modeled after black women George Lucas said it himself
@@onceafetus169 Well, we have the cartoon to base things off. The eyebrow arch and the body shape to pull it off. If you take the cartoons look age it up. Dawson looks like as you would expect for the most part. The only thing would be a wider face, but you are unlikely going to find a perfect person to the cartoon.
Rosario Dawson could almost pass as mixed. So I would be thinking the casting to be more of a thought of Lucas and his wife having a child playing a character even though Dawson isn't their child. It is like a what if.
Also, as a fan I have always thought Rosario Dawson to be absolutely beautiful. I don't see race as I see a beautiful woman who can act. She can pretty much take any role and be fine with me. My point was the cartoon voice actress doesn't look like her if you apply the make up. Her forehead and eyebrows isn't right. I saw it right away and was like nope and her body shape also doesn't look right. Where Dawson has all of that.
I don't normally make a big deal about a skin color. I see her beauty and acting.
My only nitpick is that the face patterns are a little to small. Other then that, I think she was great.
Oh yeah she definitely didn't have the acting chops to cross her arms and tilt her head constantly and try to look stoic.
I can't wait for the moment in the Obi-Wan tv show, when Ahsoka inevitably shows up & he says to her :
"Don't seem to remember Anakin _ever_ having a padawan...very interesting..."
Why would Obi-Wan ever say something like that? He knows Ahsoka pretty well.
I guess he refers to Obi wan not remembering r2 in a new hope.
K I'm confused this not only doesn't make sense, there wouldnt be a reason for obi wan to pretend to not know someone who already knows him, what?
@@ifyourmarriedyourasimpanda7440 it's a joke, referring to when obi wan didn't remember R2
Ok, I can see this is confusing the hell out of some folks, but it was just a jokey reference to plot holes & inconsistencies that are created whenever there are changes made to Star Wars canon - for eg.
how in ANH, Obi-Wan has obviously never met R2 before, he has no memory of him because they never met prior to the events of that movie -
many years later, the prequels came out, & now there's R2 _with_ Obi-Wan, several times - even in ROTS he's talking to him & *calling him by name!* - yet now viewed in chronological order, an older Kenobi seems to have absolutely no recollection whatsoever of this little droid, - to say nothing of 3-PO!!
Same thing with Ahsoka, a major character, added to canon _after_ the prequels had been made, but in those movies, Anakin clearly never had an apprentice, there was not even the slightest reference to her or mention of him training anyone, because in the narrative of the films, the Jedi order don't fully trust him & he's deemed to be too unstable & is still learning himself anyway -
teaching a padawan is the _last_ thing they would be having him do in those films -
Once again, some years later The Clone Wars tv show comes along, set between the events of eps 2 & 3 - however now, Anakin is assigned a padawan, Ahsoka - by Yoda & Obi-Wan no less!, & she's established as a mainstream character with as much importance as Anakin or Obi-Wan themselves.
And that's the gag, in the Obi-Wan tv show , Ewan McGregors exiled Jedi Master (hypothetically) meets Ahsoka -
but doesn't recognize her because _his_ movie version of Obi-Wan never encountered her.
Just as Alec Guinness' Obi-Wan is clueless about R2.
y'see?
She would have been fine but Rosario also did great. Here's my hope for Ashley right now. IF Ahsoka show up in the OBI WAN Series, she will obviously be a lot younger version, and would be right in line mostly where we last saw her in Rebels, age wise. I truly mean this, I am praying that Ashley at least gets to play Ahsoka in live action, the younger version of the character in that show if she shows up.
All this talk about why Ashley wasn't suited for it may or may not be of complete value, so my question is, was she even allowed to try? She may have surprised us. And even if she didn't deliver perfectly on all of the areas needed for live action, the fact that it was her in the flesh would have been epic. Star Wars, A New Hope started it all and aside from Sir Alec Guinness, we're not exactly talking Shakespearian actors or the physically elite there. The spirit and energy of that film is what connected with people and made it fun. Had Ashley been given the chance to adapt and physically prepare for the role, assuming she'd have actually wanted it, who knows for certain how she would have done.
Casting has been one of the Mandalorian's strengths. So many of characters have been played by the exactly correct performer its amazing. Katee Sackhoff also has the advantage that her character wears a helmet for most action sequences so she can be easily replaced by a stunt or body double for the scene - and because her mouth is covered, dialogue can be easily dubbed.
Well all that about Katee Sackhoff is moot though. Just turned out with her the voice actor is an accomplished live action actor and she already played some physically demanding roles. Makes me wonder if Dave Filoni already thought about casting her as live action Bo Katan way back in Clone Wars haha
Katee Sackoff in the Mandalorian was not dubbed over, and she didn't need to be. She was the voice actress for the character in the animated shows, not just the live action. The look of the animated character was based on the voice actress, so she was able to reprise her role in live action.
Rosario did such a great job, you really couldn’t see someone else doin it. That’s the true epitome of bringing a character to life.
idk, it didnt really feel like ahsoka to me in the mandalorian
@@ravagerr same here
No, she didn't. Her portrayal in Mnadon sucked.
I've seen plenty of cosplayers that even looked better than Rosario. but that's cool that you liked it.
Ew.
Don’t forget that she was also on Blue Collar TV.
what if she plays Abeloth???
I think some people tend to forget that almost all the characters in the animated shows look and sound different than their live action counterparts. So we really shouldn’t expect any different here.
I respectfully disagree . I've said it a lot and I'll stay true to it. All the animated adaptions are based on. Real people. Ahsoka started off in clome wars, no reason to completely kick Ashley out if the show. Also the voice actor for Bo kotan, another clome wars orignal, is the same actor who portrayed her in mando. Disney didn't like Ashley for whatever reason and butchered her. I hate them
@@joejoemartinez6059 how so? She doesn't look like Ashoka at all and you can always find instances that the voice actor can play the real actor, but when that doesn't happen, it usually isn't for whatever reason
@@everythinglakers1713 she's a made up animated character. No one looks like her. Not even Rosario. She has the benefit of having a darker skin tone which makes it look more natural in certain lighting since ashoka does too, but other than that she looks nothing like how she did. Animated.
In Germany we have the original German clone wars ahsoka voice
Only because average germans can't speak English
@@etriganthedemon666 wut? This comment is so stupid, dubbing is really common and some people prefer to watch stuff in their own languages even if they know english
@@etriganthedemon666 never read something more stupid
@@Crock509 why are you booing me? I'm right
You're right but that doesn't mean I'm wrong
@@etriganthedemon666 because its like saying that americans watch movie in english because they cant speak russian well enough
They can always use the change in voice as the basis of an episode of "Tales of the Jedi" too. Breathing Vacuum or catching some viruses could change the physical characteristics of the voicebox.
Pretty much spot on to how I would explain it.
I dont know why people care. Anakin has a different actor for animation and for live action, same with Obi wan, dooku exc.
People just wanna find shit to bitch about.. I dont understand it as well
lol...
Chris lee actually voiced duku in the first season and the movie of the clone wars i believe
In Jamaica we would call this a Bloodclatt stupid question.
Germany actually kept the same dubb for Ahsoka in every Series. She voices both Ashley and Rosario
Rosario Dawson first off, looks more like Ahsoka, in my humble opinion. Second she portrays Ahsoka like shes been through it, and she has. Ahsoka had a rough life, and she pulls it off incredibly. Beyond that the way she presents herself on screen is mysterious and elegent like how Old Ben was in the OG Trilogy. Rosario is THE perfect Ahsoka.
Yes
They should have at least brought in Ashley to do a screen test to see if she could pull it off. Dawson did a fine acting job, but without the voice she just didn't feel like Ahsoka to me.
Well, Ashley doesn't look like Ahsoka either. Her live-action acting experience is limited to romance dramas and comedies (had to look it up) unlike Dawson has with action movies.
Being a Prequels guy, I was annoyed the first time I heard animated Anakin, Ben and Rex/the clones not sounding like their movie counterparts. I got over it a few episodes later.
You'll get used to it once Rosario's Ahsoka series starts like I did with the animated series. If not, then that's your problem!
@@mstr293 Ahsoka is an alien species. She doesn't actually look like either of them. And it's much easier to make Ashley look like Ahsoka with makeup than it is to make Rosario sound like Ahsoka.
I still say they should have at least brought Ashley in for a screen test/audition, even if just out of professional courtesy.
@@rreagan007 10,000% agree. Took the words right out of my mouth.
We'll get used to her. I remember when Chris Reeve first played Superman, I thought he was all wrong for the role that George Reeves had defined for me as a kid in the 1960s.
@@mstr293 And Clone Wars turned out to be far better than the prequels acting-wise anyway. In fact, that made those films better because the context was so well defined.
I think Rosario Dawson was a great choice for Ashoka, it was a shame Ashley didn’t return but I hope we can see her come back if Ashoka is ever in an animated series again
Yeah I have nothing towards Rosario but the Face paint and lekku/montrals suck. She should be a little more orange too
@@loka-chan6695 the montrals annoyed me especially because they are so stubby lol