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Chapters
00:00 Intro
00:30 Different HLG Workflow from Before
01:27 Shoutouts to Virtual Japan!
01:48 My Gear for HDR
03:13 Which HLG PP to use?
03:58 Is Blackmagic UltraStudio REALLY Necessary??
04:57 Setting up Video Project & Color Space to output HDR signal
06:29 The Importance of HDR Reference Monitor ft Asus ProArt
10:18 How to Export HDR to RUclips
11:33 Don't Forget to Comment Before You Leave!!
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I've experimented with HDR, and for smaller creators who simply can't afford to drop thousands of $ for the additional hardware (HDR monitor, decklink) it is very very hard to consistently/efficiently produce HDR content at the moment. The only way for us to reference our grades right now is to upload short clips onto RUclips and watch it on a HDR TV/phone and make "guesstimates" of what changes are needed. Rinse and repeat, trial and error. This is super impractical as even a short 30 second clip of 4K HDR can take up to 3 days for RUclips to process.
The moment HDR monitors can be afforded by mainstream consumers is when the HDR content space will really kick off.
TLDR: A proper HDR workflow only possible if you've got money to splash. If you're a smaller creator on a low/medium budget, producing good HDR content is impractical at the moment.
Well said
Forcément, le talent ne fait pas tout ..
sans argent … beaucoup de choses sont inaccessibles….
Cool poverty tip: just render chunks until you figure it out lol
This is my life
eyyyy the grading on this video came out 💯 that ProArt Asus monitor must look stunning IRL !
hope to see you in Japan someday soon, and we can go shoot some HDR night videos ✨
Dude the moment Japan opens up, I'm dropping everything to be there! Would love to learn from the master himself!
Why would you need an additional I/O box to bypass the GPU to output HDR? The Atomos Ninja V+ monitor I use as a control screen for HDR grading seems to be working fine?
Great Video Jason! is it possible to edit HDR video directly on the new 14" & 16" macbook pros? if so then a video would be awesome!
I rectify the previous message where I could not view HDR ... after spending many hours I DO get to see in 4K HDR! Thanks a lot. From what I understand, RUclips processes SD and HD quickly, but HDR takes longer. So I recommend you follow the steps Jason indicates and it works perfectly. Thank you, thank you and thank you very much friend.
No HDR with davinci resolve and win11 right?
you need an mac to activate HDR10 mode or?
Excellent video Jason!! I have followed the steps to export a video test on youtube and when I play it on LG HDR tv with full support it does NOT show in HDR. I have a Sony FX30 camera and Davinci Resolve 18 Studio but I can't upload any video in HDR quality to RUclips. Can you help me??? Thank you very much. By the way, if you travel to Huelva (Spain) let me know so we can record together.
thanks for sharing about HLG
I have never thought about it before and as a Sony a7siii shooter
I will soon become the first fishing /adventure lifestyle RUclips channel in OZ to rock it yew!
Cheers Jason and appreciate you :)
What's the best way to get SONY A6400 8bit HLG files working on youtube? Can you just export at 10bit? Or is there metadata to add etc.
Never mind folks, I cracked it
This is a really good video, Jason. I've subscribed. By the way, you can get away without a decklink card or the BlackmagicUltra 4K mini device you mention. If you have Thunderbolt 3 and in Resolve if you go to workspace/Video Clean Feed and then select your ASUS monitor, it will feed directly from Resolve to the monitor. For people just experimenting in HDR...this provides an inexpensive solution to start looking at shots. I do own the ASUS ProArt monitor and love it.
I edit on my HTPC outputted to my Samsung 75" HDR UHD TV.
I need to check those settings and see if I can get the HDR metadata outputted. Thanks for this vid!
I assume you mean the Ultrastudio 3G Monitor, the Recorder works the other way around for bringing in a video signal. So it as an HDMI and SDI in.
Was going to comment the same. The Recorder is basically a capture card. You need the Monitor to drive a display, and set that to you output in Premier FCPX Resolve as the reference monitor.
I have a Sony Alpha a6400...if I set my video to PP10 and HLG and upload as a raw file, will I get the HDR option here on RUclips?
I love my a7iii
Is it ok to film in hlg2 on it?
It's a nice camera.
i thoroughly enjoyed this video! such a cool process 💯
Soooo this is weird. On my Gakaxy S10 and my Asus "color accurate" monitor the colors of the image looks washed out. But on my wife's Galaxy s20 it looks very punchy. Does this mean only certain screens can read these colors?
That’s pretty exciting! Would love to be able to incorporate HDR into our workflow! For now, S-Cinetone seems to be the most time efficient picture profile when shooting multi-cam projects. I wonder if it’s possible to live stream in HDR? Great video Jason!
I wanna say yes but I haven't gotten that far yet
Its not currently possible to stream in HDR. OBS doesnt even stream 4K. Broadband for residential use is not there yet
@@makosports please reread what I said. Understand the difference between watching HDR streams, which i made no mention of, versus content creators uploading hdr streams which is what the OP was talking about. No one is talking about Netflix. We are talking about using camera to live stream to audience. Check your reading comprehension.
wow, I recently just bought a Asus ProArt PA278CV. It look so nice.
Pretty sure you can skip the expensive Blackmagic device if you own a newer Mac. You just need a Thunderbolt to HDMI connector that supports 4K and HDR (Belkin makes one and it’s only $50). The newer macs will output 4K HDR to an HDR monitor. It works perfectly with FCPX.
The BM is also so you can load an accurate correction LUT to the monitor that bypasses the GPU. It’s necessary for any accurate color grading workflow.
@@eravedesigns they built the Apple Pro Display XDR for people editing HDR using the Radeon Pro Vega II Duo. Of course you need a Mac Pro.
@@chosenideahandle any reliable color grading workflow does not rely on video sent out by a GPU. It’s why color grading professionals use highly accurate monitors plugged into a deck link or similar and then they hardware calibrate the monitors inside the monitors software and not the operating system. The deck link sends a feed with no OS or GPU impact. This is the way.
Thx Jason, keep in mind tho. For A6xxxx cameras the settings need to change as the colors will come up differently. For me it was too much of a hassle and just worked without any pp turned on
DAMN IT HAS HUGE DIFFERENCE !! Watch from iPhone XS Max but still support with my relatively old phone. I hope this continues onward coz it make my phones screen great
Hello, I am a Sony user, I would like to know how to export in HLG HDR in Premiere.
What is the export method for this video?
Hey Jason, can you explain the choppiness of the video when you're panning in the intro section? It does not look smooth at all...
Excellent video. Thank you. My approach to this was to shift to iPad Pro 12.9 M1 with its HDR capable display to sidestep the complexities of a desktop HDR workflow. I shoot mostly HLG/DLog in Mavic 3 and Sony A7IV for output to RUclips in HDR. I have figured how to work around the storage limitations of iOS and luma fusion with good success. I’d love to see a workflow explainer to help me further and others who choose this path!
How has things been working for you in Lumafusion with colorgrading w/ HDR is it still your preferred method ? Or was it just a bypass ?
Can i edit with capcut?
Great info! My monitor is not ready for HDR workflow. I went back to Cine 4 till I’m ready to upgrade my edit bay.
🤔
Is this still valid?
Isn't Pro Display XDR directly connected to mac enough?
Without that box
My eyes 😵💫
Hello Jason im using Davinci Resolve aswell i like it alot, its amazing but do i rly have to buy Studio to get real HDR colors? and work with 10k instead of 1k luminos? or do i need both the studio and this weird declight thinki??
Viewing this on the new 12.9in M1 iPad pro, it’s amazing how some parts of the video have bright screens that just shines!
Jason, so what frame rate do you shoot the video at? Is it 4K 30p?
Excellent job as always.
Watching on my Samsung S20. Nice to see more hdr; as most people view on their phone, i think it would of been better exporting using a 2:1 ratio as it would have fillee more of screen.
HDR processing for an hour HLG/PQ in April 2023 still take days, even up to a week.
What if I use the display of one of the newer MacBook Pros that supports HDR?
Great at explaining what's all needed, concisely.
Hi Jason,
I’ve just purchased a new 14’ MacBook pro and was wondering if I can edit HDR video off that and not need the external monitor?
It’s all so confusing 😅
Hi, did you try with 14 MacBook, edit HDR video?
PQ is better than HLG, I have the PA32UCX-K
Love this jason, never really dive into HLG, but definitely keen to give it a go
I like this guy
HDR!? Very fancy. This man is editing with his pinky out
Awesomeo bro! the exact video I needed. Thank you!
What are the specifications of the computer you used to edit the HDR video? please answer me sir .. thank you
Nice , Better (Auxout Channel RUclips) good cinema HLG 2 LUT !
Auxout is amazing!!
Can i edit the a7s3 footage in my ipad?
Can this be done in Premiere Pro?
Since the HLG is not recommended for the a6400 because of the 8-bit (also heard that about S-log 2 & 3), what profile picture do you recommend for the a6400 when need that dynamic range?
If it has 10-bit and Slog2/3 use that. Then select input color space in Resolve's project settings as Sony gamut and Slog2/3.
Thanks for sharing. Applying your way only allows to grade in 1,000 nits (according to waveform) & export to max 1,000 nits video? And the clip won't be dynamically spread into e.g. 4,000 nits under 4,000-nit-capable monitor? If my concern is true, could you advise how to address that? Thanks!
Very beautiful and very amazing
Can you please tell us the settings and lenses you use for A7C
Hey, glad you mentioned VIRTUAL JAPAN's channel cause i would like to ask you something about his footage. I know he records with a Sony A7S3 and isuppose he uses other picture profile than HLG for his HDR videos, right? Do you know what profile he uses, S Log3 or maybe externally recording in ProRes raw?
Also how do you think he focuses his footage? Sets his lense to infinite focus? All of his footage is in focus, be it very close when someone passes by or be it far away in the background, he dosent uses auto focus right? But if he uses infinite that would not make very close objects/faces to be out of focus? And what about aperture in his night videos? He says in the description that he uses a Sony 20mm F1.8 G lense, do you think he uses 1.8 aperture? His night videos are so clear, no noise can be seen!! Does he denoise the image or can the Sony A7S3 with a good lense to record at night without any noose?
Thanks in advance for your info and time!
Watching it on 400Nits ViewSonic monitor the HDR exported as HLG somehow on youtube shows highlights quite off (over exposed), when I check stats for nerds the tag shows me "Color
arib-std-b67 (HLG) / bt2020" which is supported & backwards compatible with SDR monitors but looses on highlight details.
Virtual Japan HDR videos are exported as HDR PQ which shows correctly on my monitor & has good amount of highlight details bcoz its exported as "Color smpte2084 (PQ) / bt2020"
Thanks for this super useful video!
Is there a way I can use JPG files on a HDR time line? Do I have to convert my images to something else than JPG first? Didn’t find any info about this yet :/
Salut, Quelle logiciel tu utilise ?
2:44 this isnt the case anymore with Premiere Pro on Windows as it now supports DirectX HDR in the app. Cant say the same for Resolve cuz well they want you to buy their blackmagic products lol.
Glad to see a HDR tutorial at last for Sony HLG. 👍Well done. I would like to know about posting HDR HLG videos from my Sony A7III to YT. Also I’m using iMac M1 and it’s monitor supports HDR. So is it enough for colour grading using DRS?
Literally the same equipment and problems in having lol
Hey Jason. Will you try the new 70-200mm GM?
Excellent video, Thank you very much, 👍
I do it in Slog3. I use the same Camera (Sony a7sIII)
In any case the quality is practically the same
I can't work on small 32" monitors like that, but good on you for getting it done like that.
Dang, 32" is small?? I have to agree if it's for TV usage but I think it's perfect for computer usage. 😂
Wondering if the M1 Max MacBook Pro will simplify that HDR workflow
Is it possible to make by shooting with a6000…
Could it be done if footage is SLog-3?
$4400 monitor?!!?! Get out of here man
Since the new M1 MacBook pros have HDR displays, do you know if they're capable of grading HDR videos, or will you still need one of the Black Magic boxes and an external HDR monitor?
As far as I’m concerned and from my own experience, the new MacBooks make great HDR reference displays. That’s literally what Apple is advertising.
how you say your graphics card cant correctly output HDR. Are you referring to your workstation machine in the video as that iMac? or is that not relevant to guys like me who like to use their gaming PCs with RTX 3080s for their editing rigs? Or is this a topic youre not totally versed on?
Woah!! the screen alone is $4500 before tax!!! then add on the other gear and its like $6K. If I was shooting documentary or fiction for TV then may be it would be worth it if you are using Red camera or the ilk but is it really worth it for stuff shot on a mirrorless camera. Does it blow the client away?
Plz, do a video HDR
with slog3
Final cut pro how
Jason How is the New Sony a7IV? Can you share some specs??? does have10 bits 4.2.2???
Yes
Bro. I think there is small error made in editing this video, black should be black and white should be white, the error i think you increased shadow control too high...
🔥👏
new macbook pro doesn't need reference monitor
first, HLG is not true hdr experience, second hdr monitor reference doesn't need expensive Asus hdr monitor you just only need a true 10-bit panel to work with hdr content and third hdr is about colors this is why certified hdr panel like VESA hdr 400 is so important
Great video and hell yeah I'm gonna subscribe!!!! However I almost peed my self seeing the almost $4,400 Price tag for that Asus monitor. For a hobby channel like mine where no money is Generated, maybe not a good idea for me to invest in that, I do like that A7Siii Camera through and appreciate the tips you gave me in this video to better my self. 😁👊
I think I'll just wait for the mini-LED iMac.
💯💯💯
i use Sony Xperia XZ2 Premium which is Have 4K HDR Display.. . so Beautiful video quality.. .
You can do this with an a7c right?
yes it has HLG profile!
My HLG recordings on the Sony A6400 with ETTR settings and applied Leeming Lut often look a little hazey or misty, and I never really figured out why. Does anyone have an idea?
If you push HLG too far into the highlights you're losing information, even if the camera doesn't say it's clipping the gamma curve is still crushing the highlights together. You can overexpose HLG a bit, but not the same way you want to ETTR SLOG as much as possible.
A6100 has no PP support. Title fail.
The colors are too punchy for my taste. But it looks great! very colorful. Looks like a Netflix mini series 👌🏻.
Why does this video look completely washed out on my phone , my phone has an oled display
Thanks for the feedback, what's the phone model exactly?
@@JasonVong OnePlus 7
Not sure what happened here, but on my TV this video looks like garbage, colors are way over saturated and highlights are blown out, but on my phone looks great, just like a normal video from you. Very strange, was that intended, or just a mishandling of HDR by RUclips or my TV?
Sounds like your TV causing those problems. Make sure your TV is set to standard and not over-saturating your colours.
Your TV is displaying HDR content in a rec 709 color space without converting it to a rec 709 image
@@dirtcreature3d Weird, is there a setting I should modify to fix it? I guess I don't watch too much HDR, this is the first time I've noticed any problems.
@@t.Mooney to be honest im not sure, i only know thats the issue because when i pull in HLG/HDR footage into FCPX without converting it to rec 709 it looks exactly how you described
Watching this on Chrome on a MacBook, everything is blown out, what was surprising was that the video's white was actually brighter than the white youtube background itself!
Great video though!
do a video on the new Sigma 18-50mm f/2.8 DC DN lens
so couldn’t you just use a LG 4k/8kHDR television to color instead of buying the monitor? that thang is pricey!
why cannot you just use a tv as monitor?
Hey my phone is hdr. I didn't realize it
Right? I have Pixel 4 that I didn't think is an HDR display but to my surprise, the HDR kicked in!
So basically $4K just in monitor and recorder...
On top of a capable machine.
I wanted to get into the HDR world but it's too expensive.
Ah so interesting but that's an expensive monitor lol.
With A6100 you cant
Funny that you grade on a monitor where most people who consume I would only watch it on a hdr400, 600 ips monitor or worse phone. Lol 😆
Right? 😂 But the purpose of having a higher end monitor is to make sure you have all your grounds covered.
🤘🏻🤘🏻🤘🏻🙌🏼
I'm seeing a lot of skipped frames in your B-roll. Was this shot at 24fps with a 60pfs shutter speed? Also, the image is overall quite bright to my eyes and doesn't seem natural. The untreated footage that you showed at the start looks better IMHO.
Does anyone else feel the same? I shoot with Panasonic micro 4\3rds cameras at 30fps with a 60fps shutter speed in HGL HDR 10 bit @150Mbps and barely need to adjust the footage aside from tightening dark and light levels, so I may be extremely biased to what I know from Panasonic (and at a basic level, Sony's camera systems).
i really hate watching with hdr,because thats too bright
Lost me at $900
Why would a camera record HDR when RAW and LOG are already far beyond what displays can display. Its purely a consumer electronics marketing hype play and finishing/export workflow. The screen is the only difference. The screen can just scale the dynamic range those small values and you have HDR. If it was a HUGE nit difference in dynamic range, (which I wish it was, but it is not), it is plausible you could see banding or a mismapping of gamma ratios if the file being played is not one with enough bit depth/ color sampling or graded in HDR. As far as cameras that “shoot HDR”. Total marketing bullshit.
jesus christe, i saw better exposure levels and coloring in 8 bit... and i mean 8bit NES graphic...
What the hell just happend? without HDR Your video is just a white blob, and with HDR is over exposure as f!
WHY do people STILL shoot in 24 fps and THEN use it for ONLINE content that is predominantly displayed on 60hz monitors. 24 is a TERI-BAD frame rate for the era of online content. Just a grand case of "follow the leader". sad.