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Ok boomer
Maneesh lol
Hi Korbin, you are so nice and kind and awesome...but...you can take it up a notch of you do watch Navarasam by Thaikuddam Bridge. I mean, you guys must have noticed my comments by now.
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" *The sun never set on the British Empire, because even the god couldn't trust the English in the dark* "
IKR. They ruined every place they went.
@@priyajain8893 Wherever they went.. conflicts, chaos and world crisis followed.
But well, as they say Karma is a B**ch and now they are kinda facing the consequential effects.
True that. And *Well deserved too*
where did you find that line. it is so true. the reality is that the british empire did only one thing. it legalised and justified the atrocities performed by themselves and whenever they were given the time to pack their bags. they purposefully forgot the gunpowder keg with a lit fuse before leaving the shores. their wealth was never earned so it left.
@@manasvigaurdeoria this line is from Dr. Shashi Tharoor's speech on does britain owe repatriations to India
*Turkish saying*
*If you find fish fighting in their own pond, then you can be sure the Brits were there*
You have shared this with us....I am fan....
That's actually hilarious. What is the actual saying in the language?
The more I learn about Sikhs, my awe and respect for them skyrockets further. They are Earth's treasure.
and the people ignoring and not liking your comments show that how much other indian hindus love sikhs .We definitely love the people like you
@@RanjeetKaur-hz7cq Oh Sikhs are true warriors. Only 0.0001% ignorant, stupid people may hate such wonderful people. Sikhs are the crown of India. Together with Buddhists, Jains and Hindus, you complete Sanatan Dharma. Sikhs have fought to protect rights of Hindu brothers, we all love you. You are our part, our brothers.
Well As a hindu , i enjoyed reading the Guru Granth sahib but its very long about 6,800 pages
Sikh kings supported British in 1857 war of revolution when Muslims fought. So stfu and learn to give credit to Muslims.
Feeling proud to be a Sikh!
Part of this story is shown in Bhaag Milkha Bhaag, why he fears and doesn’t want to go to run in Pakistan..
Congrats to Korbin and Stephanie for the beautiful baby 😍
Oo dang i read 69 years ago and was like wtf
Omg
Aa gaya BabyMiles?
@@indrajeetkamat6138 yes
@@indrajeetkamat6138 4 din ho Gaye.. bhai ne aaj reveal kiya
The Sikhs are some of the most peaceful people I've ever encountered. Their whole ethos is driven by ethos and pathos, of service and honour. It is beautiful.
What about Khalistanis
@@holywarrior5719 extremities exist in all religions. They are a minority
@@Youdoyouyeahno they don't exist in "all religions" at least speak something with ur own 🧠 u npcs come with the same scripts every single time
Just few days back a corridor has been open by both the country on the occasion of the 550 birth anniversary of guru nanakji so ppl can visit karatarpur
Birth
It is birth anniversary stupid
Birth
I saw that yesterday..... And I was not aware how Kartarpur was a holy site for the Sikhs and was on the other side of the border... Shame on me for being an Indian and not knowing that... On RUclips, I think it was a punjabi channel.... I stumbled upon and saw it....
@@manpreetdeol1189 thanks for correcting me
Read about Britisher’s “Divide and Rule” Policy. It might answer your “WHY?”
Sure Britishers started Calcutta & noakhali riots. Why do we shy away from telling the truth
Honey, Britishers wanted a full fledge India with No Partition. Bcz India was the heavily man armed & well trained army & they wanted to keep India as their ally for future fights. (Of course for their profits).
But Nehru & Jinha wanted to rule the country. No one was ready to back off & here is the result.
@@akshattejas4348 The erstwhile Indian leadership was more responsible for this than the British Government. Get your facts right, Sir.
Akshat Tejas
Bro there are speaches and treaties that were signed way before the independence which said that the Muslim league would only join the quit India movement if they get a separate country..the British never wanted to divide india..when you research a bit about that time you can read more about it from India’s leaders at that time
Is funny to see Americans say machine gun key chain is horrible..... 🤣 🤣 Lol
Sorry but Please don't joke, the serious matter is going on.
@@SwapnilRupanwar true they said its horrific because they know the results and influence of it
@@bandanasingh6034 Right, I agree with you. I'm an Indian citizen, but I still don't like it.
@@bandanasingh6034 we know that. We (India & USA) are both on the same ship. Our countries are in the constant attack by terrorists.
@@SwapnilRupanwar I would believe that for India and USA (to a certain extent). I have utmost sympathy for events like 26/11, 9/11 and the constant attacks in Kashmir. USA has a habit of inviting problems thanks to their narcissistic need to bully everyone around the world. I mean what they did and still are doing in middle East speaks for itself. They are responsible for so many destabilizations in middle East.
British partitioned India because of two reasons:
1. The two-nation theory:
It states that Hindus and Muslims cannot live together, or Muslims cannot live in a Hindu majority state, so they wanted to create their nation. But now we know that when East Pakistan (now Bangladesh) gets separated from West Pakistan (now Pakistan) because of the imposition of Urdu language on East Pakistan (Bengali speaking). Also, because 60% of the population of Pakistan resides in present-day Bangladesh (mostly Muslim) were not given adequate political representation in the parliament, and they were considered inferior to the West Pakistanis. So when the Pakistani army carried out atrocities on Bangladeshis, they got separated in 1971.
So when Bangladesh separated from Pakistan, the two-nation theory failed because nations cannot be divided on the basis of religion; they are divided on the basis of language, ethnicity, and culture.
Read More on this: en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bangladesh_Liberation_War.
2. Secondly, the British wanted to create a buffer state for the western powers to fight with the Soviet Union, which was expanding rapidly. At that time, both Indian and Afghan leaders have a good relationship with the Soviet Union. British wanted to create an artificial state that will help them fight against the Soviet Union in the future because if India were united, then the Soviet Union would have got access to the Indian Ocean, and that would make it much more potent than western powers.
There plan works when the Soviet Union invaded Afghanistan, western powers (including USA, UK, etc.) uses Pakistan and its military dictatorship to counter the Soviet Union by supplying them weapons and money, some of which they use against India by carrying out terrorism and proxy wars.
Pakistani army created a false impression in the minds of regular civilians through fake history and propaganda in the education system of Pakistan that India does not consider Pakistan a state and will attack and reoccupy it. Although the reality is that India has never attacked Pakistan. On the contrary, Pakistan has attacked India four times and also carried out multiple terrorist activities.
(Here by Pakistan, I mean Pakistani army, ISI, Islamists, radicals, and establishment. What you see in these humane videos is the regular Pakistanis. But that is not the complete reality. No government in Pakistan has ever completed it’s five-year term since independence because of the multiple coups by the military)
So when the Indian government says they will isolate Pakistan, it does not mean its people but its establishment that doesn’t want peace with India because if there is peace with India, then Pakistan does not need that considerable army and nuclear weapons.
Also, if Pakistan has peace with India, Pakistani army generals who make vast sums of money on the war economy and have control over almost everything in Pakistan, including business, education, energy, etc., will go away, which they don’t want(of course).
This issue is extremely complicated and vast and requires thorough research. The video that you have watched is only 10% of the actual problem and only one perspective that politicians are evil (they sometimes are actually). But there is so much more to the story including terrorism (partly the reason for fencing at the border) and much more.
Most accurate and underrated comment
Thank you Shubham! This is a very accurate and concise description of a very complex topic. Really appreciate it and I hope Rick and Korbin go through this comment properly.
@@tejasvkumar8059 Thank You
@@shreymalik9002 Thanks and I hope they will read it.
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Rick always has the most realistic views of things. This was no different. Especially when he talked about the videos oversimplification. Great comment.
I was about to comment on the partiality of the makers of the video by Vox and how this video which you guys were reacting to is not depicting the real truth.19:46 But then at this moment when Rick starts to give his genuine and honest opinions about the video I realized Rick is a wise man. He knows a lot of things. Good work! Subscriber from India.
Exactly. I thought the same
Breif reason for partition:
After seeing the unity of hindu and Muslims in the 1857 war of independence, British followed the policy of divide and rule to instigate the feeling of communalism in them. And over the course of 90 years they made such situations which made Hindus and Muslims believe that their interest are different and they cannot live in one country.
So people ( especially Muslims, fearing the Hindu being in majority) themselves demanded partition. Hence 1947 partition happened
What a false analysis! Muslims that demanded partition of India were inspired from wahabi ideology, that started in 17th century,it was there plan also known as Ghazwa e hind. Which means ISLAMIZATION OF INDIA.
British just agreed to there wishes.
@@prateekbhore2264 i agree with you to some extent but the origin of differences between Hindus and Muslims was the systemic eradication of unity by Britishers.
In 1857 the unity was such that hindu sepoys willingly accepted Muslims ruler Bahadur shah Zafar as leader.
Muslims protected the slaughter of cows.
In 1905 partition of Bengal, hindu and muslim tied rakhi showcasing unity.
It was the British policy of divide and rule that led to the emergence of conflict of interest between them.
Cashing even the slightest possibility of conflict and turning it into communalism.
Ex. Promoting separate electorate etc.
Bringing the tension to the point that both muslim and hindu conservative started to believe in two nation theory leading to partition.
And regarding the wahabi movement, it was a revivalist response to the western influence and the degradation that had come in the Indian muslim practices . It was a religious reform just like that of arya samaj. And wahabi movement was also mainly directed against Britishers in 1857, not particularly against Hindus
That’s completely incorrect Anshumali.There was never any kind of unity between Hindus and Muslims ever really. It’s been messy since day 0
@@anshumalimishra7383 Wahabi movement originated with an Aim to follow nothing but Quran and stick to its true principles which are Killing Non believers, and complete ISLAMIZATION of Whole world
@@prateekbhore2264 agreed ....Muslim have been always problematic...whether they are in Pakistan or hindustan or any part of the world.
Korbin lives in a country where any one can buy a gun from the store....
Sees replica key chains -- "that's terrible" rip logic
Yep. Wagah is just a bit of fun, like being at an India Pakistan match which you know will end in a draw (both flags come down and are folded). I had loads of fun shouting Vande Matram at the top of my voice when I visited.
😂😂
Just because you live in country doesn't mean you agree with everything they do. Since he comes from a military family I am assuming he has a deeper understanding of the power of those weapons especially in combat, which are sold as something as frivolous as keychains. That's the logic that I see.
There r also people there who r against keeping a gun coz of the increase of gun violence by lunatics so ya people of the opposite spectrum also live there..
@@r2.b2 that is somehow funnily mean 😂😂😂🤣🤣🤣..I liked how u hyped it by comparing it with India Pakistan match n ended it in a draw 😆😆😆👌👌👌👌
Video: People of all religions lived amongst each other all over the region.
Korbin: It's India!
Oh man Korbin! You just won the video!! ❤️
Right
Fact : Pakistan was the first nation to be created on the basis of religion.
kshitiz dubey
Jinah was the leader of the Muslim league and they joint the quit India 2 movement with the condition that they wanted a separate country for themselves after independence
And one more thing queen was crowned in 1952..so don’t blame her it was all the ministers during that time which made the call..the king George 6 had nothing to do with it
@@VG-jk2xx ok my bad there was no queen then, no hard feelings brother but do you mean to say that the King or anyone heading the Royal family knew nothing about What was done with India/pakistan or in that case what fuckup exactly they did in Hong Kong for which people of Hong Kong are suffering now and we the people of Indian subcontinent are already dealing with it's after effects ?? Or they did not had the power to undo it ?? Then why call them king and queens rather call them pimp and sex workers for British ministers. We (India+Pakistan+Bangladesh) as people of same lineage should understand that 'ok' religious differences shit was brewed inside our minds and we tasted it (still having the taste today) but what British ministers+kings/queens+ ass lickers did was way bigger crime to forget. But we start abusing either Jinnah or nehru and leave the main culprit behind, and they still laugh at us !!
Just sharing my thoughts you may disagree with me 🙏🙏
kshitiz dubey
no offence brother but Hong Kong leaders and public wanted the colonial rule to stay..unlike India and other old colonies..British were very liberal in there policies..hong kong was just a small piece of land which was threatened by Chinese regime long before British came...you won’t believe but..in 1990’s Hong Kong ‘s gdp was 20%of that of a big country like China...leaders and public knew that they needed colonial rule to govern there own land(yes there were legislative elections held for ministers from Hong Kong)
I agree with what you say regarding the divide and rule policy of the colonial government.But we shall not forget one thing.It all happened before 1950....the queen or the previous kings(after the democratic part was set up) never had a power to influence decisions..they could only debate them..they never had the power even to live there own life..each small personal thing of there’s requires a council approval of ministers which are chosen democratically..so specially after the 1940’s ie ww2 there power are very limited even if they don’t seem
They are the face of the country rightfully...the dignified as the constitution of Britain states...All I want from you as well as every other human is to not judge people based on there ancestors..British rule was not at all good(to be polite 😅) but it is not correct to judge current monarch as well as brits of this generation for the thing they were not part off
@@VG-jk2xx
This is true but we also need to keep it in mind that jinnah wasn't the only one talking about separation.It was from the Indian side too.
Heck, 'Veer' Saverkar, the guy whom this govt praises like some saint was one of the first to insist on a two nation policy.
You can see the exact source of this text in officialpeeinghuman's video about saverkar.
Again, I am not saying that jinnah didn't do bad.I am just trying to say that there was friction from both sides.Jinnah's intent might just have been more reactive than proactive than we think.
Correct .. just want to add one more thing .... Pakistan is the one and only one ...... nation in the world .....created on the basis of religion.
they tried the same @ Australia few yrs back .... but no luck.
and the same is going on UK...US....etc
"Radcliffe" was the name of the last episode of Sacred Games.
How did u comment 1 week ago
@@ats3938 Patreon...
Do u have time machine ??
🙄
Video is published 11 months ago
Totally agree with rick for the over simplification
I also agree with Korbin when he said the video would take years to explain in detail. This is the abridged version.
@@roughryder5 It would not take years
If one wants to know about a particular thing
And he/she is interested
The knowledge will be gained
Its very simple
Its just that u have to do RESEARCH
And u will get to know the truth
You want the politics of Kashmir? I'll give you the politics of Kashmir.
When the British left, Kashmir was to be a separate Nation, it hadn't actually decided which Country to join. The place called Kashmir itself is not Kashmir, Kashmir is just a Valley in the Himalayas, there's also Leh, Laddakh, Gilgit, Jammu, Baltisatant and Aksai chin regions in that Area. Jammu had Hindu majority, Gilgit and baltistan had Muslim Majority, Leh laddakh had hindu and Buddhist mixed, Aksai had Buddhist majority and Kashmir Valley itself was mixed but Majorly Muslim population.
When the British left, Kashmir was Independent nation till then because the Hindu King of these regions wasn't sure which side to join.
Pakistan Launched a full scale invasion on Kashmir just weeks after independence hoping the Muslim majority of the state will join them, and the King wanted help. The King asked India and India basically said we'll only help you if you join us. So the king signed Instrument of accession. Indian Constitution gave Kashmir a special state status, thus allowing it to have its own flag and constitution through Article 370 (which just abolished on 31oct 2019). Kashmir was kind of part of india but still different.
Then, to the current scenario, in 80s there was insurgency in Kashmir, Muslim leaders which wanted to be separated from india and join Pakistan (Sponsored by Pakistan) began their propaganda and started committing Genocide Againt Kashmiri Hindu population, and thus the Mass exodus took place of Hindus from the valley. Since then Indian Governments have Placed all Kashmiris under watch. Their state assembly gets dissolved again and again and president's rule and AFSPA ( Armed forced special provisions act) is established, taking away the democracy of all kashmiris. Many Incidents have been reported by Kashmiris that Indian armed forces committing serious Human right violations and getting away with it due to AFSPA.
Pakistan sponsored Terrorist regularly Communalise and radicalise the population by pointing out these incidents and saying India is the enemy and the youth of kashmir regularly stones Indian forces for as little as 500₹ per day.
Pakistan wants Kashmir because their major River Sutlej all its Tributaries begin in kashmir. And we claim it ours because of Instrument of accesion.
Pakistan has already taken some part of it which they called Azad Kashmir (free kashmir) and Gilgit-Baltistan. Indians just call it PoK(Pak occupied Kashmir) and Kashmir state assembly had vacant seats for the people that were to be elected from PoK. But Pak actually administrates those areas and thats Why Map of Kashmir Is shown differently in Indian versions and Global/Pakistani versions.
I only hope that they go through the comments section.
Superb explanation! Korbin and Rick need to read this instead of PC and fake comments
Lakshay Tyagi as a Pakistani who was simply taught the Pakistani version of Kashmir’s history with some propaganda mixed in for sure, I appreciate your comment
Thank you for the awesome explanation... I had been confused till now but you summarised it beautifully.
I wanted to write the same shit.... thnks for saving my time bro...
My grandparents on both sides are refugees of partition. They lived in what is today Bangladesh and was East Pakistan from 1947-1971. This focused on the Western border, the same thing happened in the East. They literally left with what they could carry on their backs overnight back then. The trauma continues to define the dynamic between the countries even today.
So sad that communists are still supporting insurgents in name of vote bank politics..
Whenever there are talks about Partition people tend to forget about Eastern Borders....
Calcutta burnt more than Punjab....
It is quite a recent history for us, just 70 years ago, we can feel the wounds as fresh still. Nothing can account for the loss of lives and livelihood in this civil war, there is no measure of loss of human life. Our grandparents tell us about the partition, which is just two generations above us. You have to go through it to understand it, and only India-Pakistan can understand this trauma. After all, we paid dearly for it.
@@rahulray9983 Yes 😔
How about Calcutta & noakhali riots?
You must watch a film called 'Partition: 1947'. It tells why was the partition done. It tells the perspective of the leaders, the greed of some people and the tensions that started in the Indian society over the thought of partition. It had already started dividing India even before the Radcliffe line was drawn.
I feel the video which you guys reacted to portrayed some things in a negative light. Like the show on the border. The show happens every day when they open the gates and then close them for the day. Infact what was portrayed as a face off between the two soldiers was actually wrong and in reality it's a beautiful show which is very very positive and happy in nature. I've been there myself and we enjoyed dancing and even in Pakistan people were enjoying and it was like a show for both the countries. You guys should visit the Wagah border on your trip to India. It's actually really nice
Yeah that actually quite weird, that the ceremony was showed in negative sense. I have never attended that but looks quite fun on videos and all.
vox is a typical alt left liberal channel who thinks ideas like nationalism, pride in religion and majoritarianism are the greatest threat to world so had to show the guns key bunch etc..
I guess it's coz vox team couldn't digest the event and couldn't just believe this also can happen.. guess 'it happens only in India' oh in this case Pakistan too! But that was India as well.. 🤷
Agree
@@nivedithajags Vox is a typical alt-left portal to which things like nationalism, majoritarianism, pride in once identity is the greatest threat to humanity than likes of say global warming, jihad, destruction of heritage in the name of globalization..🤷
That ceremony is Called BEATING RETREAT. and it happens every evening to actually keep in touch that we were one at time..now if we are separated we still can be one and friendly... whenever there is some tension between both countries... Beating Retreat is cancelled...
Best part was the school children skyping. If every school of both country does that, maybe after 50 years we will have better situation.
@Gargee Basak True
@Gargee Basak we won't disintegrate ...Pakistan will be disintegrated very soon
@Gargee Basak look in the mirror ,maybe its u who is stupid even after all these attacks on India
@Gargee Basak really dumb!!really short on facts!!! Lol..
And yes it's a great proposal by you sir which I personally believe both the governments should think of and take a step closer towards it. But I don't think they will ever do this
Yes. The daily show at wagha border is more of a unity thing.
Haha..
@@SF-li9kh thats true bro. But still thats what the show is for. Whether or not its causing any visible unity is not the concern. As a soldier none from either side refuse the order they get.
Not about unity it is only flag lowering ceremony.
@@SF-li9kh That i agree with bro.
I m saying that thats the sentiment on paper...
@@SF-li9kh preaching war, bro find me any video of any Pakistani politician during election campaign telling people vote for me i will ruin india. No, you wouldn't find one Pakistani politician who does that for vote. But on your side people vote for the people who promote war or say Pakistan murdabad or hum Pakistan ko sabaq sikhaein gay. Tell me one thing we are 4 or 5 times smaller country what would be our reaction if your politician will talk like that obviously you will get shells not rose petals. If Indian people vote for a person who works for peace and prosperity i guarantee you , you will not find single mortar or bullet shell on your side shot by us. And by the way your friend hindu or muslim as of news sources muslims are dying in the valley. Peace!
Partition ruined my ancestors' life completely. I can never forget that.
Realized that it's a Vox video. My expectations were low. Surprisingly the first part of video was fantastic. However they missed to mention a lot of political blunders which happened in our country. The last part of the video was exactly what I was expecting from a Vox video which is - half truth + political agenda + biased emotional commentary to influence people to align them with their ideology.
Expect another VOX video soon about the Kartarpur Corridor where they would subtly imply that the Khalistani propaganda is correct and that Sikhs are being crushed by Hindu Fascists
@@rahulray9983 Some people will believe it blindly because their "white lords" said it.
Gurpurab di vadhaiyan :)
True
Agreed, Vox left many facts out. Not a vox fan. Totally agree with your last statement.
@Korbin and @Rick :
"RADCLIFFE LINE" - Same thing was in Sacred Games !! when you were wondering whats the connection in there.
And to asnwer Rick, "Why it was split in half?"
To break india and rule British used a policy called "Divide and Rule". Which was being used in every ruled nation of Raj. In India, they divided people on based of Religion (unfortunately it continues till now in minute amount)
While struggle for independence of Bharat/Hindustan/Bharatwarsha or India (as said by British because 7 Sindus/Indus or major rivers were here, 5 in Punjab and 2 in north. And Britts back then being lazy changed many names to their convenience , eg: calling sindu as Indus, Kolkata as Calcutta, etc.)
People started to get divided on based on religion and two major religion being Hinduism (collection of Sanatan and Arya samaj and other branches) and Islam. And minority being Sikhs, Christians, Jains, Buddhist, etc.
Some Hindu as well as Muslim political leaders got insecure and saw that Muslims are being ignored or mistreated. They gave draft to such splinters of fire to make a big fire out of it .. obviously for political benefits in TO BE formed Nation. They proposed Two nation theory. One separate nation for Muslims and then a remaining one for others. This was proposed to Brits. ANd was requested to bring two nation thing in picture. The Brits took advantage and did what they do best.. "YOU KNOW WHAT I MEAN"
They took advantage of that to break india further and make brothers fight with brothers.
Post separation overnight, chaos and religious sentiments and many other negative things. There was a big riots where Hindu-SIkh-Muslims started killing each other. Pakistan sent a train which was raided and everyone was killed. So it was a train full of raped women and dead bodies to city of Amritsar (railway station in Amritsar) and it was said that on the train it was written in Punjabi and Urdu, "Kafir ! learn how to cut from us". And India responded by sending a train with dead bodies and raped women in similar way.
(these are stories told to me by my Grandad who came to india just before the dead body train from Lahore as he was working there in the capital city of Punjab and Punjab was a separate country back in the days which was part of Indian Sub continent)
So Indian subcontinent was made into Pakistan(East pakistan and west pakistan. East pakistan is now Bangladesh, a separate country bordering West Bengal. ANd west pakistan is now Pakistan) and India.
Now second question, "Why Kashmir is the way it is?"
When the thing about Partition came into picture, Sardar Patel also called Iron Man of India. He started uniting all smaller kingdoms which were part of Indian Subcontinent (Marathas, SIkh Kingdom, Nawabs, Nizams, Kingdom of Jammu and Kashmir, etc) to that they cannot be partitioned. ANd at the same time promised the Rulers/Kings that once these Brits are out then we can sit and get our kingdoms back, the way they were earlier. But first, push Britian out.
Post independence and partition, unfortunately Sardar Patel died and this promise was not kept. Also, Pakistan attacked state of Jammu and Kashmir to take over not because of its beauty but also because of its strategic location (Khyber Pass). The one who rules here can control Three nations, namely, India, pakistan and China. So Jammu and Kashmir took refuge in India and agreed to be part of India until the attacks are stopped. (there are different versions of this but this is what i have read from Indian History)
Third point towards the end. "If sikhs would do that for other religion"
Yes !! As per Sikhi, Sikh has to take care of every religion. He has to do the service to every religion. There is a Mosque in Punjab "Guru Ki Maseet" means The mosque of Guru. It is a UN heritage site. It was ordered to be built by 6th Guru of Sikh because Muslims in his kingdom (Guru was also a king) asked to a place of worship. So it was built because SANGAT (people of holy congregation agreed to it). And the Father of 6th Guru, Guru Arjan Dev (who was 5th Guru of Sikhs) was tortured and killed by Mughal Muslim Governor and post his death the some took the sword and built the army and became a kind by winning battles. this was done to show that SIkhi was against the tyranny but not against any religion. Because religion is like a river going to sea. They all will reach sea with their own path.
Similar to this, Muslims in Pakistan have been taking care of Sikh Gurudwara as their own place of workship with all the respect. (and it is their and everybodies Gurudwara.)
Building of mosque was shown in KESARI, this event was taken in consideration.
Its just like today you are living in a place and over the night you are told US is partitioned and Korbin is now in a separate country. You will not stop loving him and his family and Korbin wont stop either (even though he has a heart of Ice/white walker)
So you guys will take care of each other's things that are there in ur vicinity. You might not say a Thanks to each other but you will be thankful.
I hope RICK AND KORBIN SEES my long post .. it took me an hour to see and answer your questions.. hahaha
Love u idiots,
The Amritsar train incidents were narrated to me by my grandparents too, one of whom had migrated from Lahore side to Amritsar. They even told about severity of riots between Sikhs and muslims.
Last week I saw a post on facebook of a pakistani, asking indian sikhs to nuke Quadiyan (a place near Batala, which is center of Ahmedi muslims movement), in return of their favour of opening Kartarpur Corridor for Sikhs!
Believe me when I say this, I've been going to that place for sometime and till date I didn't know about it being special to a specific community among muslims. I had my relatives get treatment from a Muslim Homeopath there, and still noone was concerned about his religion or stuff.
This makes me question, that if they (pakistanis) can think like this about a sect of their own religion, on what basis can we trust their respect for other religions and their intentions concerning them?
The background music during parade is used to misportray the actual ambience which is quite positive
ASHISH OJHA however one cannot deny that the very existence of celebrating a fortified border with only few minutes of gate opening does fuel a fervour of nationalism that may not necessarily foster positive feelings for the other side.
@@ays162 VOX has been subtly misleading about their reporting of Asia in general.
And people outside who aren't familiar with the situation might think that this is good reporting but we know that the entire video was a gross oversimplification which glossed over many important facts which gives a clear picture
@@rahulray9983
How long was this RUclips video?
@@bosgaurus1 You mean when was it made?
@@ays162 well,I agree with you a bit.. but nationalism is good isn't it ... you cheer because you love your nation not because you hate other....but yes there are people who take this in negative way it's subjective
They didn't told you the whole story,the bloodbath that resulted in the conflict between India and Pakistan should be known by you (a video,i guess)
Direct action?!
I donno...i guess they cant understand...and judge
Any outsider will not understand the history becoz is it is very complex...they need to understand indian history...many invaders came and start living...how many indian cultural heritage died...lots of pain n lots of eye opening stuff... Even we are still learning...
Yeah,they can't like how we have been invaded by other religious leaders for 700 years and we are the one who had suffered the most and still we are sensible, secular and tolerant as f***
@@sweetyroy6890 many invaders and right now we have to read those invaders as guest and read great in our text books.
Only one question, like we got freedom from Brits, like Brits went away from our land after ruling it for about 200 yrs, did we ever get freedom frm those 800 yrs destructors gene. Rather our image get made secular forcefully during emergency in 1975 illegally in constitution w/o presence of any opposition that time?!
Did we ever get independent frm islm like we get frm Brits, did they ever go away like the Brits went?!
It's just their ruled finished, it doesn't mean they are not operating underground, they didn't go means could oppress again us hindus/various natives.
I feel bad when still I see hindus in denial mode, and remain secular.and rejects history and being ignorant !!
@@devendraKumar-ls1mp dude Britishers were a people group. Islam is a religion. People can change their religion but not where they belong. A gujarati muslim will still remain a gujarati.
I cried at the kids skyping each other.
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Rick is right when he says this is oversimplification about the various issues pending between India and Pakistan.
This focuses on the Western border. Eastern border was also partitioned into West Bengal, India and East Pakistan. My family was one of the later migrants from East Pakistan, coming to this side of the border only in 1959.
Also, people I know who have visited Pakistan tell me they were met with a lot of love from Pakistanis when they discovered that they were from India.
@@Shacko14 Somehow people always tend to forget the Eastern borders whenever Partition is talked about....
@@rahulray9983 There is a reason for that.
India and Bangladesh have peaceful relations as India helped them to gain independence from Pakistan.
That is why when you talk about partition you don't talk about Bangladesh because there is no tension between the two countries. On the other side India and Pakistan have been fighting over Kashmir since 1947.
There always has been a negligence about bengal.
you can see how intentionally partition was done.
both side pakistan, in middle India.
how can they create a new country on two sides of another country..
punjab was most affected by partition Firstly punjab was divided into pakistan then it got divided into haryana ,UP,chandigarh
Don't forget Bengal.
haryana and himachel pradesh are still punjabi but they live in state names in which their lamguage is a little different
UP was not the part of Punjab it was different named United Province
I love how vox shows only Modi's speech...
The liberal side always demonizing modi.
There are literally millions of speeches like this form prominent leader from both sides.
But sure always show modi.
And also vox should show what Pakistani leaders say in their speeches.
Yes but why bother, let's fix what's happening here first . Should indian representation always be goody goody and not show the terrible things they say and do ??
@@Yasha086 what terrible things??? Koi tumhe marega to chup bethoge kya??
Imran khan has talked about peace loom at modis speech in comparision
He is the PM, isn't he?
@@MrHumanforlife And he also called for JIHAD in his UN speech.
My ancestors had to shift overnight from the other side since we were Hindus. They had to leave their new house and shop .My great great grandfather's hands were chopped off and his brother murdered.
- Btw don't rely on just one narration or video
- The video showed Border the border celebrations in a negative way. Very bad interpretation of it. That border is the only non militarized border
- Like Rick said he didn't tell why about Kashmir
Similarly he didn't touch a lot of things
Yeah...my ancestors lost everything and they were pretty wealthy with a large amount of land in Pakistan...they had to leave everything overnight and rebuild from scratch in India.. I think everyone from Pakistan and Sindh have very similar stories...
Mine too. Our ancestral land, house and temple in a small town near Dhaka had to be abandoned overnight back in 1946. My grandfather had to catch the last train to Kolkata with whatever possessions they could carry . They were afraid of getting looted/killed the whole time. Not everyone would understand what it's like to get uprooted from their homes.
@@nn2009ify Yes. Rebuilding everything from scratch would've been so difficult for our ancestors. We should never forget the sacrifices and our history.
@@baghazukhov152 We can only imagine how hard it must've been for our ancestors to travel in trains with such fear. There was a bloodbath everywhere. It's true,Not everyone would understand it. People whose family suffered know the true nature of partition
My grand dad (who was in college at the time) came hanging from a train, and was lucky enough to be pulled into the carriage to make way for an ever increasing crowd. He saw those who weren’t able to go inside completely get chopped down by sword wielding Muslim goons lining the tracks as the train moved forward. It was ghastly, awful and horrible. Some bodies remained on train as they acted as a buffer between the living passengers and the swords.
He used to tell me tales of going to the station daily once he got to Delhi, to look for relatives, and how he used to see trains full of bodies every day. Of stories of announcements on the radio of the names of people who managed to cross over safely. I am still surprised that he never had episodes of PTSD. My grandmother’s tales were worse. She lost family in more than one way.
Yet all my grandparents who were forced to flee always hoped to reunite.
It was my Grandfather’s dream (he was in the RSS) to see “Akhand Bharat”, not a likely possibility any time soon.
That was a truly extraordinary generation.
19:52 Its good to see that these guys were able to understand the oversimplification done to some very grave issues of the country and point it out in the video...👍
To answer Rick’s question as to why draw a line at all and not keep it as it-
1.The British played a smart and horrible move of “Divide and Rule” quite early in their reign.
2. By the time 1947 arrived there was no way of going back to as-is situation because of the grown up tensions between Hindus and Muslims.
3. The biggest reason though is that leaders on both sides were power hungry and wanted to be the Prime Minister of independent India.
4. Both of them wouldn’t give up and so partition became inevitable to keep both sides happy. Mahatma Gandhi aided in the thought of Partition.
Correct me if I am wrong in any of the points.
British r jerk.. I wish they never ever come to know about India.. my country was used to bird of gold.. look what dey had left us with
Muslim league wanted reservation 50% in parliament for Muslim. Which is unacceptable for congress as 70 to 75% are hindu, sheekh, and other.
You are wrong on point 3 and 4. Gandhi did all to avert partition, along with many other leaders. It was Jinnah who was adamant. Many tried to pacify him. But it was direct action of Jinnah which led to point of no return.
Jinnah too in reality also did not want partition till 1947, rather he used it as a bargaining tool, but eventually got it when all options were exhausted!
@@tiwarikamalnath Yes you are right Kamal. Jinnah too played the partition tool as last resort. Though he is one of the personality among all who is very hard to comprehend.
Gandhi never aided in partition. He opposed it till the last moment and was deeply heartbroken when it actually happened.
*Do u remember Radcliffe was the last episode of Sacred Games*
Its easy to say that politician dont want peace, big mounth with blund knowledge, we indians always do .... when PM atal bihari vajpayee signed peace treaty with pakistan just after that pakistan attacked in kargil and the same history repeat before and after him continuously, its simple they start and we end. Thats going on process since 1947 . If a day come when india start doing things, in its own way than all thing will resolves and belive me, it is already begun, just wait and watch more drama comming in upcoming years. Peace out ✌️
Yes bro
Superbb
True shit
Yeah, modi's so peaceful 💀
I smell hatred.
Korbin and rick, I am being nice and truthful :) :
1. I am an indian and i love pakistani music and food and may be people too :)
2. Common people on both sides are similar and dont have enmity but politicians love to score points over each other
3. Happy to inform that both countries have buried the bitterness for a while to establish a corridor between the sikh shrine in Pakistan and India, inaugurated just day before yesterday.
4. The border ceremony you saw is a healthy competition.
5. Parition happened because of British policy of divide and rule
6. Indian leaders never wanted it and so we have the biggest muslim population. But sadly, since Pakistan was a muslim nation, Hindus were persecuted and converted in pakistan and their numbers declined to less than half of what it was right after partition
7. U.S policy of containment of Russia in Afghanistan which has roots of terrorism also has the root of pakistani army's (not pakistani people) propaganda of insurgency in Kashmir and India. (Kashmir issue is too complicated to explain here.)
8. Military control in pakistan's pseudo democracy is a distress for both countries. Indian foreign policy is to have a peaceful and developing pakistan because otherwise is a huge loss of money, lives, and constant insecurity that both the sides are living with when we literally have 1000s of other problems of our own to deal with.
For Rick to say “well why can’t they ignore the border after they left and re-unite”... whilst I give him benefit of not fully knowing history but that was cute!!
They shouldnt do videos of which they have no idea of.
@@karthikkannan3711 Maybe you shouldn't watch videos of people actually learning something if not everything.
They divided because Muslim leadership wanted a separate country of its own
Mudita Khanna no coz hindu congress dont want muslim in power as well thats it nehru and bjp
We are happy on separation actually..a proud pakistani
@@lvp4718 wrong muslim's league demad was to create 2 parliament ,2 electorates & 2 sets of laws for different community ,it was looney toon ..how can a nation have 2 parliament passing laws for 2 sections of public...indian constitution was later diluted,so some indian laws are inheritance ,marriage doesnt apply on muslims..learn about uniform civil code that govt is trying to vring to make a uniform law for everyone
@@lvp4718 You're totally wrong with that opinion. Indian National Congress just wanted to have a single nation, single constitution, & single parliament to be run by simple majority, like what we see in any democracy. While Muslim league wanted 50% seats by default, based on a flawd 2 Nation Theory.
No one want partitions , its the government and British who do that , Neheru and jinna is the main calprit.
Please, Please watch "RAJKAHINI", a movie by Srijeet Mukherjee that defines the Pain of PARTITION, .... Since long time I am requesting for this.... You will be amazed, just react to the trailer Guys.... Also watch the Ritwik Ghatak's movies to understand the pain of partition of Bengal... Partition not only divided India and Pakistan, it also divided India and Bangladesh.... And Ritwik Ghatak is among the Greatest Film Directors of all time....
At last somebody talked about Ritwik Ghatak. If you guys were amazed by Satyajit Ray you should watch Ritwik Ghatak's stuffs. Your minds will maybe blow more away.
Yes, you should watch RAJKAHINI. An amazing movie. It will tell you all about Partition. How brutal and pathetic was the situation. It left a permanent mark in our mind.
Guys guys.. I don't think they'll be able to digest 'Rajkahini' at this point. Rick n Korbin need to be acclimatized with comparatively softer Bengali movies like Antaheen, Chokher Bali, 15 Park Avenue and Antarmahal before they can move to 'Rajkahini'.. just my opinion!
@@physiosayantikaআসলে ওরাতো ট্রেলার দিয়েই সিনেমা জাজ করবে, আর রাজকাহিনীর ট্রেলারটা দারুণ। তাই অনেক ধরণের বাংলা সিনেমার মধ্যে রাজকাহিনী, শব্দ, কেদারা, গুমনামি এসব সাজেস্ট করছি যেগুলো ভালো এবং ট্রেলারটাও ওদের কাছে আকর্ষণীয় লাগে।
@@granthikde9338 haain, tao thik.. Trailer ta aagey dekhey, tarpor movie ta dekhley darun hobey. I agree.
PS: Rick ki Indrani ke diye amader kotha gulo translate korachho? hehehe.. Hi Indrani.
My grandparents were refugees from hydrabad sindh. It is so heart breaking when i still hear the stories about the partition from my grandmother. Our sindhi community also suffered a huge loss, they had lo leave everything and cross the border without taking anything and lived in refugee camps in bombay and kalyan. And due to that we are scattered all over the world and our language and tradition is dying. Hope that one day we can visit our home land. Really wish to see where my ancestors come from.
Aakash G I am a Sindhi from Hyderabad Sindh .
My great grand parents and grandfather were from a Brahmin community of Haripur Hazara, who moved few months before partition to Delhi. Unfortunately that's the only thing I know and have no idea of my family's pre Independence history. You are lucky to have known your grandma's story...🙏🏻
Aakash G
The case of Sind province & what happened to the Hindu Sindhis is much more poignant. Unlike for Bengalees & Punjabis, the Sindhis were't given the choice of partition of their province (may be because Hindu majority "Karachi" city would have to go to India then). However a day will come when Hindu Sindhis will go to their homeland, with the Muslims there inviting them with open arms. They saw their state (Sind, Sindh or Sindhu) that was a prosperous state deteriorated, with the heavy Mohajir exodus (predominantly from UP, Bihar, Maharashatra & MP) and became a hotbed for crime. It is so, while the immigrant Sindhis in India started new enterprises providing employment (JB Mangharam was one) for many more. With their exceptional good looks they found their ready calling in Indian Cinema (Bollywood) industry with Ms. Sadhna as prime example. They spread out to many cities & parts of India. One of my best friends (Govind Boolchand) was from Visakhapatnam, where his parents migrated to.
people have telescopes to look for king kong in american😂
From Indian side no one can find terrorists camp or there activities
But at Pakistan border United Nations also find numbers of terrorists group and there camp
How it is possible without Pakistan help
True
😂 There's no need for camp.. hindutva guys are doing it openly..
@@Yasha086 UN Designated Terrorist Masood Azhar is still in Pakistan. Why is there no court case against him? Do the courts in Pakistan work? Osama bin Laden was found a kilometre away from Abbottabad's military academy. There is no international terrorist who is a Hindu. Pakistan is the one who don't need camps. Entire Pakistan is camp for terrorists.
Prasad Magdum brother! There are no Terrorist camps in Pakistan.
@@abdullahjan4567 Just killed two of your infiltrators in Kashmir 2 days back read the news.
This doesn't give you a picture of the entire story. It just cherry picked stuff from here and there to mash up a video.
It's incomplete information.
Exactly what I was going to say... What about the other side of the story
FEW INDIAN / HINDU KINGS && QUEENS REJECTING FOREIGN INVASIONS: (rejecting British && Mughal imperialism).
- 724-760CE Lalitaditya Muktapida (most powerful ruler of the Karkota dynasty of Kashmir).
- 725CE Bappa Rawal (fought invading Islamic armies). Powerful ruler.
- 879-1026 Hindu Shahi (rulers of Afghanistan, Kabul Valley , fought Islamic armies).
- 945-1297 Solanki dynasty (show down” between Gujarat’s Solanki Kings, fought Mohammed Ghuri Invasion).
- 964-1001 Jayapala (ruler of Afghanistan/Pakistan/Kashmir) Fought Islamic invasion.
- 1178 Ghori Vs Naikidevi-Bhimdev II (fought invading Islamic armies).
- 1326-1364 Hammir Singh (ruler of Mewar).
- 1364-1382 Kshetra Singh (son of Maharana Hammir Singh).
- 1382-1421 Lakha Singh (he defeated the imperial army of Delhi led by Sultan Firuz Shah Tughlaq 1309-1388).
- 1339 Kota Rani (The Last Hindu Queen of Kashmir)
- 1484-1528 Maharana Sangram Singh (fought against the Muslim Afghan Lodhi dynasty).
- 1522-1572 Udai Singh II (fought Mughal Emperor Akbar 1567).
- 1540-1597 Maharana Pratap (fought Muslim Mughal Emperor Akbar)
- 1542-1564 Fierce Rani Durgavatti (fought the Muslim Mughals).
- 1556 Hemchandra Vikramaditya defeated Mughal Akbar’s forces. 350 years of foreign Islamic rule ended. Re-established native Hindu rule.
Battle of Tughlaqabad 1556 Hemchandra Vikramaditya, who took possession of Delhi && defeated the Mughals. Following his failure, Tardi Beg was murdered by Akbar's regent.
- 1525-1570 Rani Abbakka defeated the Portuguese 6 times.
- 1671-1697 Rani Keladi Chennamma who Defied Mughal Aurangazeb. Chennamma fought the war without defeat and battle with Mughals ended in a
treaty.
- 1657-1689 Sambhaji Bhosale (captured, tortured and executed by the Mughals).
- 1670-1700 Rajaram Raje Bhonsle (rejected Mughal Aurangzeb's imperialism).
- 18th Century: Onake Obavva, single handed fought with the army of Hyder Ali (1754-1779, father of Tipu Sultan).
- 1725-1795 Maharani Ahilya Bai Holkar (fought Islamic plunderers. Built a Lord Shiva temple).
- 1761 Battle of Panipat. Marathas drove out the Rohillas Pathans. Zabita Khan defeated by the Marathas and forced to flee to the camp of
Shuja-ud-Daula.
- 1858 Rani Avantibai (vowed to fight the British Raj to regain her land).
- 1778-1829 Rani Kittur Chennamma - Rebellion against the British East India Company in 1824.
First of all, some of the ones you mentioned were arab( they called them arabs not muslims and attacked pre india india because we were rich not because we were hindus ok maybe some did). And AKBAR was not a foreigner he was more Indian than most now, also he was a better ruler than most hindu rulers at his time. Don't know much about others but I'm sure you're somewhat wrong there as well.
Also are you happy with the hindu raj (bjp-rss)? They (politicians)have filled hate in your mind over the years about people from other religions.
You have boxed brits and muslim together. Nice keep hating
Also Jhansi ki Rani..Who fought Britishers.
Kartarpur corridor was inaugurated this week.
I was searching for this comment, how come no one else has mentioned till now. Over 500 pilgrims visited on first day.
Ya pay $20 to Pakistan. No thanks
@@omkarvedpathak1696 No sir, It was now free for both 9th Nov and 12th Nov. Please have a look.
www.indiatoday.in/india/story/pakistan-waives-20-fee-for-indian-pilgrims-using-kartarpur-corridor-1617187-2019-11-08
and by now kartarpur has been attacked twice by the Islamic mob....Thank you..!!
Fact Check: All wars were initiated by Pakistan, never India. The reason behind tension between the two countries is, Pakistan, espl. Pakistan Army.
Pakistan thinks it did not get its due after partition; it thinks, it should be seen as an equal to India; and, it is the only country that can stunt India's growth.
Pakistan initiates misadventures which it can't sustain, of which terrorism is one part. Now, after series of terrorists attacks in India, India has taken a strong stand- no talk till terror factories in Pakistan are shut, perpetrators of Mumbai attacks and many more are brought to book.
Thanks. JH.
I m an Indian Sikh, and i am grateful to mr. Imran khan - pm of Pakistan, Navjot singh Sidhu and indian government for opening the corridor between two countries with which now we can visit our one of the most important pilgrimage - kartarpur Sahib which was left in Pakistan during partition. We waited for 75 years. Really thankful to God.
Imran Khan is the real hero of Kartarpur Sahib corridor and also Sidhu Paa jee. ❤❤💖💖💖💖
@@abcmdeffghilwhat about Modi ji you conveniently forgot his help
@@holywarrior5719 obviously both govts had to do. But the initiative was by these 2 guys. Modi jee didn't even come for inauguration
You guys you guys, I am 🤨, I kept telling you to watch wagah border ceremony and I explained with a detailed note sent to both of you multiple times... I thought at least Rick would read about it, I have no expectations of Korbin😂😂😂 . Infact I sent so much about the Radcliff line to Rick when you did the google reunion ad in Feb 19....but this look of surprise you had when the wagah border ceremony thing came up ... lol it got me so pissed and I could not help write this...😂😂😂😂😂😂.. but I am soooooo glad you finally saw some of it...I will answer all your questions Rick if you promise to read it 😊because it will be looooooong note.. timing of the video is excellent, the Kartarpur corridor opening soon
If you are only blaming the political system, then you definitely need to learn more in life. The video was actually good in showing the reality but it did not show why and what led to the events that changed the history.
Also using Modi's comment from his speech without explaining the actual context was a smart way to portray him in a slightly negative way.
The video just scratches the surface without leaving any mark. Would have been nice if it would have touched upon - Two Nation Theory, Separate Electorates and various movements in history or the reasons behind the Indo Pak wars after independence.
Vineet Kuriyal: true
exactly!! the problem is Pakistan's fake identity exclusive to it's Indian roots... India has no problem with bangladesh for the most part.. why? n there was no reason for one of the sides to become a terror hub... so fact is India is reacting to the irrational behaviour of Pakistan... If they stop their anti India sentiment & get with it n realize their actual roots instead of living in some fantasy world where their ancestors are invaders of Hind... then we cud be peaceful with... pakistan uses religion as an identity... India hasn't.... we are ehtnically rooted.. yes now as a reaction Hinduvta has come along..n it shud to an extent... to show them that Indians will not be submissive ne longer
It's hardly 4 minutes of me watching this video n I'm already in tears.. I'm not a Sikh though but I can feel it..
To understand the partition, you need to read about the khilafat movement, where Muhammad Ali Jinnah and his followers fought for a separate nation. It wasn't the idea of the British to separate the country. That is just a lie. The British took advantage of the stupidity of jinnah where he asked for a separate nation.
Also, the country wasn't divided just like that. There was an actual vote among the Muslim population of British India if they wanted a separate country or not and nearly 75% people said yes. It wasn't just British divided India for the heck of it. They took advantage of someone else ideas and did what the Muslim leaders asked them to do. Not to mention, people like Nehru were lustful for power so they let it happen for reducing competition in India.
Politicians of both the religion fought and British ate popcorns on the side.
true that .. Muslims do demanded separated nation. Its the truth
Jinnah knew muslims in a hindu dominated india would be used as pawns with no way to decide their our destiny,thank you jinnah
Also add in it, they want a lieutenant in South Asia.
allah's inferiority complex was the major reason - that betichod nabi's followers are still engaged in isis and their ammi's halala 😉
Rick Segall asked: "Why a partition in the first place, what was the motivation of the Brits?"
The answer is quite simple no Phd. required.
We need to undertand that the "Cold War" started after wwII. By 1947 when India was getting its independence the world was divided into two parts, America and its allies and The USSR and its allies. Britain and America felt that India might fall to the USSR because of its close proximity to the Russians. The western powers needed a country to be pro America in Asia.
The partition of India "made sense", create a pro western Pakistan and blame it on the Hindus and Muslims. America and Britain have always supported Pakistan and its good business for the arms manufacturers. I hope that this explaination helps.
With love and best wishes from South Africa.
dude excellent explanation...similar to what was depicted in Viceroys house. India had socialist leanings; India and Russia had a great/close relationship in the past with Nargis and Raj Kapoor visiting their fans in Russia.
Rightly said.
Yes
Why Partition had to happen:
The basic premise of the British empire was to "Divide and Rule". They created differences within communities, made them fight with each other and pretend to be everyone's friend to keep ruling.
200 years of such calculated divide created irreversible trust issues mostly between the two communities of Hindus and Muslims which exist even today.
These trust issues peaked as independence was nearing as Jinnah, the leader of the Muslim League was told (by British bureaucrats) that a Hindu leader of independent India would mean the end of already minority Muslim population. This created a fear psychosis and large scale rioting and things only got out of hand from there.
Partition was blessing in disguise . otherwise with 45% muslim population in one country Hindus would be doomed.
Tejasvi Joshi that's a totally wrong stat brother. If you look at 1951 census data of both countries and add the numbers, total number of muslims comes to 102 ish million out of 435 million total population... which is roughly 22%. So 22% of undivided India would have been muslims. You feeling insecure is the direct result
Of British colonial system of divide and rule which is still being practiced by our politicians...
Non Existant: while you are correct to a point, the unity of Hindus and Muslims that was slowly evolving in the wake of a new enemy frightened them. 1857 saw no divisions along religious lines, the British rule nearly collapsed after that. It was luck, grit and the fact that the majority of the native Rajas did not join in that allowed the British rule to continue. Technically British “rule” started in 1857. Bahadur Shah “Zafar” was still nominally the “Emperor of India”. To prevent another such debacle, the British tweaked their divide and rule policy along religious rather than political lines (the Maratha wars exploited differences between the Marathas...)
NB: considering the complexity of this, I am sure I am also correct only to a point...
They are using the wrong map of India and it's really offending from there(vox) side
Exactly! And they say it was from independence. Are they nuts?
Line was not defined near Kashmir as it was elsewhere during the partition. Also, face the reality. Who's administration are those regions under now? I think reality is portrayed on that map, not a mere claim.
@@geethanjaliritz a mere claim? Are you joking? When you recognize it was not at Kashmir and 'elsewhere' let me ask you this. Is he describing the history here or not?
You need some help,I have good doctors in contact... it might help
me too!
Imagine if India,pakistan, Bangladesh, Myanmar and Sri Lanka were together... We would have been the most powerful country around this world...
20:30 & 24:00 Rick salute to you maturity you hit right at the nail head. All these foreign or media persons try to fit a very simplified problem to a very historic and complexed issue without having historical facts around such events.
Easy to blame the political leaders but the problem is people don't try to understand or skip/ignore the complexity of socio-politics.
Nehru wanted to Prime Minister and so did Jinnah. And there cannot be two prime ministers of one country, so we now have India and Pakistan and ages of hatred for nothing.
Ironically neither of them got the mandate for being PM.
Sardar was supposed to be the first PM
Pakistan just opened the kartarpur border for sikh pilgrims on 9th November 2019 . Everyone from india can visit without visa
it is a trap & nothing more,revival of khalistan movement nothing more...thankfully sikhs arent idiot & they see through it
@@rajuseth1683 idiots like you are the reason their is so much hate between two countries
@@Haider-qq3ck everyone know it is a trap,if pak was serioous they should have adhered to demand of india ,to swap land,the shrine is 4km from border,& people have to stamp there passport,india's demad was to swap the same amount of land & bring kartarpur in india...ofoourse it is pak propoganda,there was no need to place unexploded bomb & writing stupid things that IAF wanted to bomb the shrine..may be ou dont know but hindus ,jain ,buddhist religion people also visit gurudwaras..
please educate yourself. No one is allowed without visa. In fact, there is $20 visa fee which is high for the cause.
@@indialove47 go fuck yourself,visa is not required but pak authorities will stamp the passport thus declining your credibility in intl travel,people having pak stamp are treated special in many countries...go check the strength of pak passport
21 Indians died in over 2050 ceasefire violations by Pakistan in 2019. Till today...
They say the same thing over there ...its not just them ..we are to blame too ....no one is side is evil and one is good ..its just poison in our brain thts been shoved in since birth
@@moeezawan2329 it's not poison it's a bare fact. Yes we should have never been separated, it's the worst thing ever, but one cannot deny the notoriety of the Pakistani government after partition. We do not send people over there to kill their innocent people. Our fight is against their government providing homage to terrorists, our fight is not against their people. Their army is based on the doctrine of ghazba -e-hind. We have tried to establish peace for long but that cannot happen with guns blazing at you.
@@shravankulkarni685 agreed
90000 Kashmiris were killed by Indian troops, 20000 women are raped because they are muslims, India has refused UN observers to visit Kashmir why?
@@muhammadzafar420 yeah. Kashmiri pandits were killed and their women were raped and killed by Muslim infiltrators..
Check your facts dude..stop reading Jihadi times and focus of Hindustan times...
"Why the partition in the first place?"
All excuses, no solid reasons.
Everything could have been worked out but the Britishers!!
Divide and conquer
Divide and enjoy!
N Muslim leaders of that time
What happening is in India is the reason
The erstwhile Indian leadership was more responsible for this than the British Government.
hindus and muslims must live separately..thats how peace is restored for now...muslims are always anti hindu read history...
British divided India because they know the power of United India
Imagine India+Pakistan+Bangladesh==
World's most populated country
World's largest army
World's largest goods and services exportr
In every field No.1 Just name it
Vox has been a bit misleading on their reporting of Asia in general......
Some other Indian channels like could provide a much more detailed analysis of the situation....
There are many important details that VOX simply glossed over
Love the way how Rick picked on the over simplification of the whole partition by Vox.
You guys have just unlocked one of the darkest chapters of Indian History... congratulations to you guys and hopefully you guys will delve into more depth regarding this...
Korbin: eating on camera is gross.
Also Korbin: *eats naan with rice on camera*.
Haha. Bread with rice? I wanna watch that video. Link?
Rick's analysis almost feels like he knows more about any topic than he really shows...I mean it as a compliment :-) the comment about Kashmir being a lot more complicated that VOX showed in this short video...spot on man
Trust me i spend sleepless nights after hearing about the migration journey of my granny....
Partition had to happen as Muslim leaders thought it will be a good idea to get an islamic country for themselves. I understand the fears of being a minority in a newly independent country but they didn't take care of their own minorities. It was feuled by the western interest of having a favourable base in the region near russi as India wasn't going provide that to USA.
Common people on both sides would love to be friends, i am Hindu from Himalayan region of India and i have more common with Pakistan than rest of the India, our dialects and accent is similar to people from hills of Pakistan. We shate similar food, Just faith is different as their ancestors few hundred years ago must've got converted, but essentially the same people.
Well stated things in less words
Why Partition happened?? Ego of powerful people, not just Brits, powerful Indians too that screwed things up for us forever... My whole body starts to itch thinking about it and how just because of that move, there are soldiers dying till date and militants being born.Just 1 wrong move to fullfil the ego.
You r right brother.bcoz of some stupid people the innocent lives r suffering
I am so glad partition happened. Now we have to live with less of those fuckers.
dude, just stay away from (Indian) politics and you will sleep in peace.
Right said
Don't react after watching another foreigner documentary on India
@Adventurer Pakistan don't want end conflicts
Because
They want whole Kashmir
@SAMURAI 武士 it is not possible....we are far ahead and they are lagging behind....this will create a great rift...and what they did to minorities' are unexpected...same would start here so we have to keep distance from them take our POk back soon and let them have there pakistan soon it will break under own pressure
Guys you should watch ‘children of war’ it’s a movie of the war of liberation fought in Bangladesh prior to that, it was east Pakistan....
Seriously I cried for days after watching the movie....
But it’s very realistic.....
To answer Rick's question, the irony is British United India, earlier there was a large Mughal empire and there were other regional kingdom, including the Sikhs, rajput the Marathas who were fighting amongst themselves. British used the infighting to their advantage helping one over the other till they annexed the entire subcontinent. The national movement started against the outside Britishers and our freedom fighters used not just native outsiders sentiment to unite people but also did so on the basis of religion and seeing Hindu Muslim unity, Britishers started the policy of appeasing religion trying to placate one community, this sowed the seeds of fragmentation. Which was further exploited by politicians with religious bias. By the time of independence it was not just fight against British for United India, but also a sentiment that muslim can't stay with a majority Hindus and they needed a seperate country . This was led by Muslim league. As independence approached and it was imminent that British would leave , the Muslim league massacred Hindus in majority muslim location which led to civil war with Hindus being targeted in Muslim majority neighborhood and vice versa and finally the Indian National Congress had to acceed to the idea of partition which led to countless displacement and death, Gandhi was assassinated because a lot of people blamed him responsible for partition and agreeing to it. It's a sad history, you need to look at it dispassionately while analysing every decision made by people in power. Putting their interest over that of people.
Correctly said
Although this is what everyone believes.... But the last two lines tho❤️..... U cant be more correct
going to mall and actually buying a gun ...then saying" that's terrible "..on selling of keychains of machine gun .😂
Neither Blocking nor ignorance is gonna change the reality or history KOrbin. No matter what,for me my country is my first priority bcoz as a soul citizen of it'we know our history,our present & our future very much..everything is fine unless someone is sending terrorists into my nation..we can never be as modest as u ppl for not thanking the very politicians & army who are ensuring our security, which we won't be able to make u understand if u r just gonna be u know....
These are some of the 'COMMENTS' which will make u understand the reality of the partition,about the oversimplification of the video & about u being a little naive..READ::
1.Korbin: Vox is amazing making these kind of videos ..Yeah they amazing made one of India's and the world's greatest leader look like a dictator. They also amazingly ignored how the Pakistani army and Government promote terrorism and how much the Pakistani public is protesting against them.Rick has been absolutely amazing in understanding & using the term 'Oversimplification'.Thank u Rick..& I wish Korbin doesn't block me & leave this comment to be so that u can get the proper information.
2."Korbin: Vox does a fantastic job. " Haha, yeah like NYTimes does, very convenient for American interests.Korbin lives in a country where any one can buy a gun from the store.... Sees replica key chains -- "that's terrible" rip logic
To understand the partition, you need to read about the khilafat movement, where Muhammad Ali Jinnah and his followers fought for a separate nation. It wasn't the idea of the British to separate the country. That is just a lie. The British took advantage of the stupidity of jinnah where he asked for a separate nation. Also, the country wasn't divided just like that. There was an actual vote among the Muslim population of British India if they wanted a separate country or not and nearly 75% people said yes. It wasn't just British divided India for the heck of it. They took advantage of someone else ideas and did what the Muslim leaders asked them to do. Not to mention, people like Nehru were lustful for power so they let it happen for reducing competition in India.
3.One day we have peace talks and hug it out, the next day they send terrorists to kill our soldiers in their sleep. And the video says that our politicians thrive on the tension?
really..we r the one just enduring it since decades for apparently no reason just to maintain peace.
4.I did not expect much from Californians, they had to seek information from a left-leaning news agency which will attempt to confuse people on who the enemy is. The good thing is most Indians in this generation are very clear that the enemy is Pakistan and not our leadership. Also no need for distinguishing between the people and the government because the government/leaders are chosen by the people so the people have no right to complain.
5.Do you know that there is a military indoctrination(Actually & Literally) of Pakistan where they have written," We can't defeat India in a direct fight but we will bleed India by thousand cuts". That's the real problem. Military controlled country of Pakistan wants
6.Proxy war because of their hatred towards India. Also, a country which trained Islamic Jihadis as per the instructions of US agencies like CIA in return for military and financial aid.
West doesn't want India to rise and because of this belief, they want a destabilised India.That's the problem. West indulge in dirty tricks. India never ever invaded and attacked any country in the world. But western countries always trying to create chaos out of situations.
6.India and Pakistan are two separate nations because the British seeded the idea of the "2 Nation Theory" in minds of Islamic separatists pre-independence. And the separatists bought it. The Muslims in Pakistan and what is now Bangladesh, for the most part, believe that the Muslim people are a different nation and that they could never co-exist with the Hindus. Whereas, even though India has a Hindu majority, she remained officially secular and inclusive of all people-kind. The partition of India in 1947 lead to the largest (forced) migration of all human history.
7.This stark contrast in foundational ideology has manifested in a dire and unfortunate manner: This is the same reason why Pakistan and Bangladesh started out with a significant ~20% Hindu population during partition, and today, the number is a dwindling 1-2%. Minorities (Hindus, Sikhs, Christians, even Shi'a Muslims, Ahmadiyyas and Wahabis) are persecuted extensively (killed, abducted and forcefully converted etc.) in Pakistan. India has her share of issues, but almost always, Indian Muslims (and other minorities) are thriving and have way more religious freedom as compared to Pakistani Muslims.
8.Pakistanis crave for the confirmation that the 2-nation theory was right. India always knew that it was wrong and utterly stupid: All people get along well and participate in each others' lives in India. There are more Muslims living in India today, than in either Pakistan or Bangladesh. Besides, the 2-nation theory failed in 1971 when India militarily liberated and officially created Bangladesh (the 3rd country). Additionally, the places of worship of Indian minorities are protected by law and it isn't uncommon to see the places of worship of many different faiths established in each others' vicinity. On the other hand, ancient Hindu temples and other sacred non-Muslim places in Pakistan are in horrible conditions and non-Muslims are basically second-class citizens (they can't run for office, subjugated by their blasphemy laws, actively considered Kaffirs i.e., non-believers etc.)
If you are only blaming the political system, then you definitely need to learn more in life. The video was actually good in showing the reality but it did not show why and what led to the events that changed the history.Also using Modi's comment from his speech without explaining the actual context was a smart way to portray him in a slightly negative way.The video just scratches the surface without leaving any mark. Would have been nice if it would have touched upon - Two Nation Theory, Separate Electorates and various movements in history or the reasons behind the Indo Pak wars after independence.
9.The Great Game between the United Kingdom and the Soviet Union is also one of the reason why India was partitioned into two.The British felt that the Islamic Pakistan would prove a faithful friend to the West and a bulwark between the Soviet Union and a socialist India.And this is the same reason why even the US supported Pakistan for so long.Excerpt from Peter Hopkirk's book: The Great Game:'The Great Game was played between the Russian Empire and Victorian UK for supremacy in Central Asia. At stake was the preservation of India, key to the wealth of the British Empire. When play began early in the 19th century, the frontiers of the two imperial powers lay two thousand miles apart, across vast deserts and almost impassable mountain ranges; by the end, only 20 miles separated the two rivals'
sorry for the long reply but it's the best I can do to make someone understand
Good job @priyanka Dwibedi
Good reply. Needs to be read by everyone.
I completely agree with every single fact she has written.
India is not the one who would attack first. We believe in peace, always.
She has already said everything what i would have written and would like to add that, it's not our Prime Minister Mr. Modi, who wants to spread hatred, it's Pakistan. As they attacked our soldiers in Balakot and killed them for no reason, they attacked in URI and killed our soldiers when they were asleep, which according to any law is not acceptable. They have planned bomb attacks in India and bleeded it multiple times including the attacks of 26/11 just like that of 9/11.
And there's lot more to say but i will conclude by saying that its just that after Mr. Modi we have learned to retaliate and we will, forever now, only retaliate and not attack, like pakistani's.
And that's what our Prime Minister said in the video which Vox misrepresented as a matter of fact.
Jai Hind.
U just nailed it!!!!
Right in the face. Good Job Girl ! Somebody did their homework very well. Hold that head high like any other patriot Indian would, no need to be polite to those who can't be polite themselves first and feel entitled to everything. "Sar kata sakte he lekin, sar jhuka sakte nhi" Jai 🇮🇳
“Earth 1947” is the movie that showed the tragedy and how people were affected how much they had to struggle during the partition. It featured Amir Khan and Nandita Das and many more great actors. It’s from the Deepa Mehta trilogy. I am sure you’ll love it.
You should also watch “Bhag Milkha Bhag” for the same context and it’s a good movie too.
Yes you guys should watch/ react to Deepa Mehta trilogy - Earth (1947 Earth), Water and Fire.
The novel it's based on "Ice Candy Man" is even better. It was so raw I couldn't muster the courage to see its adaptation.
British "DIVIDE AND RULE POLICY" for their own benefit is to blame for this division.... Before British ever stepped into India...the "mughals" used to rule India and they were Muslim rulers...but nothing happened during their rule... Everything was peaceful...
DIVIDE AND RULE is basically a strategy to rule...it actually involved in creating hatred between the two main religions the HINDUS and the MUSLIMS so that they will stay busy fighting eachother and won't unite against the British....
Ghanta peacefully bhai ! Mughals came here with the motive of converting everyone to islam! They were forcefully converting hindus . It's just that , Indians looked at them as "Mughals" Not as "Muslims" . People were more practical in this sense back then , that's why we say "hindu ,muslim bhai bhai" cuz it was like that . But , think about it , today many Hindus hate Muslims and vice versa just because the people of power want us to!
on the 550th birth anniversary of gurunanak (12th nov 2019)-(the founder of sikh religion)A corridor ACROSS THE BORDER to kartarpur (THE SECOND HOLIEST PLACE FOR SIKHS)has been opened. now all indians irrespective of theiR reigion can cross border and pay their tribute to the shrine. they just have to pay an amount of 20 dollars to register and cross the border. their passports wont be stamped with pakistani visa.
YOU NEED To WATCH "GADAR"... An amazing movie based on a love story at the time of Partition.
Love from Pakistan to you guys and my Indian Brothers! Peace
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He never filmed same documentary of Pakistan side.
Because there is no such reciprocation of love from the other side. So obviously he wouldn't have anything to show.
Ankit Dalal Well u cannot say that even after opening kartarpur corridor
@@munibahmed3328 yes I am 99% confident about that.
This is example
After decision in Pakistan 8% Hindu and other minority's are there.
Now it's only 0.78% . Whay
Resent insident a dental STUDENT raped and killed in hoistal.
Asia bibi case. AND THE LAGENDRY LOW OF PAKISTAN (THE BLASSFAMY LOW)
TO destroy minority.
After kartarpur corridor opening all intelligence agencies are in high alert. ALL four agencies observe high religiously motivated terrorists activity in dark web.
Ankit Dalal punjabis on pakistani side love us Sikhs a lot.You are an ignorant ass!
Ankit dalal you don't even well aware of current thoughts of both sides people
Vox, vice, BBC, al Jazeera and brut. All these channels / agencies have a thing in common which is great stories with great visuals stuffed with biased political agenda and hatred against a specific community. That's the main agenda they work on.
Only Bhramins are saint...
@@aurilk8524 i didn't say that! But i am definitely proud of what I am! Yes I am a brahmin and if you have so much hatred for us than it's not my fault...
Only an illiterate can say that in defence of news agencies.. What a saddist you are. 🤣🤣🤣
@@peeyushsharma1066 only a stupid person would not understand the argument... I wish I could say you too have a sad life
@@aurilk8524 no point in arguing over a year old comment! Go get a life🤘. You win, you are a legend.
Hey rice bag, why did you delete the comment?? 😂😂
Telepathy doctors
I enjoyed your frustration. As a South Asian this was cathartic. The way the british maligned us for 200 years and till their parting moment has always left me incredibly bitter towards them. But I hope one day South Asia will rise in companionship again. The two brothers will love again.
Noor
They (the British) are now reaping the consequences of their 'Karma'. Much more (worse) awaits them.
Kartarpur corridor was inaugurated and the 550 birthday of the first guru and founder of Sikhism Shri Guru Nanak Dev ji was recently celebrated.
I am sindhi from India, my grandfather migrated from sindh(Pakistan).
There were 2 Main parties in India. Indian national congress and All India Muslim league. The Muslim league demanded for a seperate Muslim Nation by joining all muslim majority areas. Fearing civil war, british agreed that.
It Happened Because British Thought During The Hours Of Need They Would Be Abel To Get Support From Pakistan Easily Than From India
Video: People on both sides are the same.
South India : Are we a joke to you? 🤨
One thing that's not explained was why the line was drawn. Jinnah, a Muslim leader wanted a separate country for the Muslims. He thought the Hindu majority in India would sideline the Muslims and so demanded a separate country (Pakistan), eventually forcing the British to split the country in half.
Rick used the right word "oversimplification".He oversimplified the most complicated issues that have developed around 60 years. He tried to show that politicians spread hatred...... Not all politicians spread hatred.... Some say what they say because of the events that have unfolded in the past. The video shows that people on both sides of the border are just the same.... Well there some differences, cultural difference, societal differences. Such complicated issues cannot be explained in a 15 minute video, yes it would take a lot of time.
Politicians dont spread hatred? Majority do. There's trump, modi, kim jong un, hugo chavez, george bush, saddam hussain.... google it.
@@xareen we should start with Jinnah isn't it?
And Imran khan?
"VOX is a good site. They do their research very well"
Me: Bye felicia !!!!
Awesome reactions from Korbin, trying to absorb what's happening! Cheers to Korbin for finding this video and deciding to do a reaction!
The Kartarpur Corridor was inaugurated yesterday on Guru Nanak's 550th birthday. It will help around 5000 pilgrims from India to go to Kartarpur daily. It was a joint effort from the governments of both the countries.
P.S: Please react to a video about Narendra Modi, India's current Prime Minister and one of the greatest yet. He's a great man. All I'll say is he is the opposite of Trump
I'll never be able to forgive the British for what they did to our land and people.
Also they're using a wrong map of India
As a British Pakistani I really don't understand what the need for partition was in the first place. I just want both sides to be at peace with eachother again.
@@ккє-о6ц same 🙌❤
@@ккє-о6ц Well there was tension created by politicians between communities
My maternal great grandfather and grand mother were a part of Indian Independence movement, from the Bengal region. My family has to forcefully migrate to West Bengal after partition of Bengal because of being Hindus, leaving behind acres of land and ancestral home in East Bengal (later on East Pakistan, now Bangladesh). I am first generation Indian. Interestingly later on my father, when he was just a teenager, escaped from West Pakistan in disguise to India (as Hindus were being beheaded by the Pakistani force) and joined the Indian army (Mukti Bahini) fighting for liberation of Bangladesh (his motherland). My family had to bear the tag of refugee for so long as an aftermath of Partition. I have many such stories and first hand accounts that I heard from my family which someday I would love to share. Colonialism had both it's pros and cons...but the aftermath was the worst, which is still creating so much issues.
The Reason for divison was that muslim people were afraid that they won't be treated equally in hindu majoriy country....and this thought was put into Jinnah's (muslim leader) mind by the britishers only.
so he said he want to be the PM of the country, but Nehru (congress leader) didn't accepted his proposal so he agreed on divison idea ,only to become the Prime Minister.
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