Epic Tony, as always keep up the good work man. You genuinely are inspiring, I would love to buy you a pint one day to say thanks for the confidence. Stay safe.... As you can ;)
You can actually use 8.5" tubes on a 10" tyre! I've been using this setup for over 300km on 55psi and it's working brilliant! ( 10" tyres recommend 35psi, but it is working ok for over 2 months)
Those tires, if they are of the reinforced rubber variety, are what I use on my scooter, and mine hold up perfectly well for extended periods of time at up to 50 km/h! They are grippier than the original tires, for sure.
At this point you might as well drill holes in the motor wheelhub cap to cool the motor, as well as carving some ram air intakes into the deck to cool off electronics, replace the folding latch by a non-folding permanently fixed collar, get the xtech hb-100 caliper upgrade for a decent braking. Don't forget to flash the xiaomi OFW with 1) KERS OFF (this KERS thing on the xiaomi is life-threatening, shut it down so that you'll be freewheeling, but you'll still have motor braking when you use the braking lever), 2) Russian throttle algorithm (giving the xiaomi an immediate throttle response just like on a gas scooter), 3) motor start speed at 0 (so you don't have to kick the scooter to start again after being almost stillstanding)
Whenever I make a series connection, I always use a separator in between the cells. Fish paper or another form of friction insurance. In your opinion, am I being too cautious?
@@Vortecks i tried to email you tony but got no reply sadly are thease cells better than samsung30qs ? i heard 30qs dont charge after250 cycles or dont like heavy current draw i have a muxs3kw hub and want a 72v battery but am worried i choose the wrong cells please advice tony or someone before I buy as i have been saving for nearly 2years to buy them i plan to buy 120 to 160 of them
I'm doing a similar project at the moment, I'm looking at keeping the stock controller changing the mosfets and reinforcing the traces and using a custom firmware, have suspension in front and rear as well as 10" tyres giving me way more clearance so I can extend the battery case for even more battery space. Did you consider the sabvoton 7245? Not quite the 50A your battery is capable of it would fit and be perfect for you
I figured it was safer to do the parallel connections first. Then you can't short anything out until you start completing the final side of series connections. Then I cover the parts I'm not working on with some tape or foam rubber, so if I drop a piece of nickel strip it can't land in a place to short the cells.
Hi Vortecks, I'm planning on expanding the battery of my own m365 Pro. Do you still have the design for the 3d printed battery expansion? And if so, would it be possible to get a copy sent? Cheers
Tony, maybe you could mount a back rack and put the motor controller above the back wheel. You can also buy a wider board to go on top the current footboard. Also as long as the voltage of the motor and the battery is the same the watts don't matter as long as there are the same or more watts from the battery.
You should get phaserunner or decent vesc. Phaserunner is very compact, up to 20s 50amp constant vesc is limited to 12 or 13s and 50amp constant. Both of them are very compact and powerful enough for your use. Everything would fit inside.
Everywhere I'm checking for battery mods it's always the 2500 18650 cells. Is there any reason for that as the 18650 cells come in 3000 and 3500mah (I use them on my vape mods) but no one seems to use them for battery packs
I cringe when I see hot glue being used - as you know, it just cracks up and impossible to cleanly remove a faulty cell. With VHB tape, you dribble some IPA solvent down the VHB strip, wait 5 mins and it slides out (and the battery) 😁
Love the constructive criticism laughing and pis taking , always good to boost your confidence that lol, I’m ebike but this is a great video , think I might have to sub to your channel
Can I ask I wish to make a battery myself can I just get some good quality cells and weld then together lk you have and Install and will it work with no problems as long as I have done this correctly lol 😊
Tony, have you ever lived in Sydney western suburbs Australia back around 1979? You sound a lot like a mate of mine back then when we both used to go out to the Parramatta Leagues Club drinking & getting stoned every weekend in the back garage.
@@Vortecks You should try to come over one day & bring your e-scooter because you'll not want to ever want to ride anything that's standard speed anymore lol.
lool i put 22s lipo on one its was fast will wheel spin everywhere going 2wd next this set up looks more usable for everyday use 18650s vs lipo life span etc good work
Hurry up and get it sorted so we can go for a run. It’s looking good so far. Gotta love Chloe bless her. Capt. obvious 😂 took my Kaabo Mantis out today for its first run. I’m in scooter heaven 👻
Tony i Love your way.. U mind helping me out with a problem? Brand new 6ov scooter massively sparked when connected to charger not plugged into the wall.. though bc of the capacitor, but when charger plugged into wall first , the sparking was more of a torch .. out of the plug how can that be ? Could it be a broken bms or more likely a broken charger? It has dual ports and 2 chargers .. happened both times.. please help out.
i tried to email you tony but got no reply sadly are thease cells better than samsung30qs ? i heard 30qs dont charge after250 cycles or dont like heavy current draw i have a muxs3kw hub and want a 72v battery but am worried i choose the wrong cells please advice tony or someone before I buy as i have been saving for nearly 2years to buy them i plan to buy 120 to 160 of them
Sorry mate, my inbox is constantly flooded at the moment 😕 To put things into terms you'll easily understand.......... First off, no battery likes continuous heavy current draw, it's not just 30Q's, it's all of them. If you start running a battery close to its limit, it gets hot. Let's draw an analogy.......Imagine a battery as a resistor (in essence, that's all they are anyway). The 30Q has a higher resistance than the 25R and it gets hotter if you push it the same amount. The 30Q is rated at 15A constant, the 25R is rated at 20A constant - CONSTANT. You'll never push your cells at their constant power, it's not possible on an e-Bike or any other EV. If you're looking at explosive power, the 25R's will handle it better than the 30Q but, if you're looking at range, the 30Q is your best choice. There are a lot of design factors to take into account when building a battery but the main one is cooling (also, have a look at my video named "size matters"). The main areas to keep cool are the terminals so please don't do the same as loads of people and pack the shit out of the casings, you only need the bare essential to stop things rattling and causing problems further down the line. What I'm trying to say is, don't add packaging because there's a space. With any battery, if you keep pulsing the power, they will start fading but if you keep them as cool as possible, have some considerations when building the pack and store them correctly (at 3.7V per cell) you won't have problems for many years. It annoys me when people give false information about batteries. Generalising and saying that 30Q's only last 250 charges is bollocks - if you pack the shit out of your casings, don't care for them and run them at full power all the time then yes, they might only last that long but to generalise that is just wrong. Look at my 26650's which everyone said were shit - after charging them to 4.2V per cell every time and pulling >250A quite a few times on every run, they haven't faded whatsoever in the 2 years I've had them because I considered how I built the battery and I know how to look after them. In a nutshell..... you might regret buying the 30Q because the power will fade quicker than the 25R but then again, you might regret buying the 25R because they won't give the same range as the 30Q...... sadly, you can't have everything - I just want power and I don't give a shit how far it takes me 😁
The xiaomi controller is quite versatile itself using the open source firmware mods with variable regen as well, how come you don't want to use that? Since you're running 14S if you have a version 2 DRV unit it can easily handle up to 85v! If you upgrade to IRFB4110 mosfets, then you can very comfortably pump 2 kW into the motor, maintaining the original drivetrain components (40 amps @ 14S)
Really? After I'd used mine on 12S at around 1.2kw, it was toast and kept cutting out due to overheating. I'd already fitted IRFB4110 mosfets and it still wouldn't handle it 😪
Haha crazy.. but the vendor you buy from are they all legit cells? All their cells are like half price compared to everyone else? Better to pay some pennies more and skip liitokalas and know you get quality cells, going to build 20s12p for an old vespa..
@@Vortecks cant wait for the race, Andy must be in hiding as i can see him the the comments, however, after watching his new scooter video i though he would fancy his chances :-P , the big question is . . . .will i get odds at William Hill on these two races ???
I thought ud extend the frame at the back so it has a bit of a sloped tailgait. Somewhere for the controller etc but I suppose might make it rear heavy
love chlo's input :D
"You might wanna use the proper resources"
"I don't need the proper resources"
*Proceeds to stab tube with screwdriver*
As always Tony...informative and funny. With you Tony the two go hand in hand.
There’s nothing better than flat head screwdriver for removing tires, no matter what Chloe says. Great video as always
The track at the end is EPIC, Andy Kirby would be jelly, (it's called Your're the only one instrumental on the Epidemic Sound label)
Epic Tony, as always keep up the good work man. You genuinely are inspiring, I would love to buy you a pint one day to say thanks for the confidence. Stay safe.... As you can ;)
Cheers mate. Comments like yours, keep me inspired to inspire 😁
Chloe great Christmas present or for Fathers Day ! Love it
Well done Tony another great video. I am also building my own ebike from the frame up. Keep up the good work
You can actually use 8.5" tubes on a 10" tyre! I've been using this setup for over 300km on 55psi and it's working brilliant! ( 10" tyres recommend 35psi, but it is working ok for over 2 months)
Those tires, if they are of the reinforced rubber variety, are what I use on my scooter, and mine hold up perfectly well for extended periods of time at up to 50 km/h! They are grippier than the original tires, for sure.
They're definitely reinforced and tested to 55mph (88kmh) now 😉
I love the banter with his mom! epic fun ;)
Its good practice to cover the nickel strips as you finish each block.
At this point you might as well drill holes in the motor wheelhub cap to cool the motor, as well as carving some ram air intakes into the deck to cool off electronics, replace the folding latch by a non-folding permanently fixed collar, get the xtech hb-100 caliper upgrade for a decent braking.
Don't forget to flash the xiaomi OFW with 1) KERS OFF (this KERS thing on the xiaomi is life-threatening, shut it down so that you'll be freewheeling, but you'll still have motor braking when you use the braking lever), 2) Russian throttle algorithm (giving the xiaomi an immediate throttle response just like on a gas scooter), 3) motor start speed at 0 (so you don't have to kick the scooter to start again after being almost stillstanding)
Chilled out Tony's chuckle....alls well with the World...🤔👍👍😎
I'm always chilled out mate...... except when things don't go to plan which is very often😂
Whenever I make a series connection, I always use a separator in between the cells. Fish paper or another form of friction insurance. In your opinion, am I being too cautious?
Not at all. Anything that reduces the risk of anything shorting out is only a good thing! 😁
@@Vortecks i tried to email you tony but got no reply sadly are thease cells better than samsung30qs ? i heard 30qs dont charge after250 cycles or dont like heavy current draw i have a muxs3kw hub and want a 72v battery but am worried i choose the wrong cells please advice tony or someone before I buy as i have been saving for nearly 2years to buy them i plan to buy 120 to 160 of them
Hi Tony, can you do a short video about your 3D Printer? any suggestions, upgrades, etc... Thanks!
I'm doing a similar project at the moment, I'm looking at keeping the stock controller changing the mosfets and reinforcing the traces and using a custom firmware, have suspension in front and rear as well as 10" tyres giving me way more clearance so I can extend the battery case for even more battery space. Did you consider the sabvoton 7245? Not quite the 50A your battery is capable of it would fit and be perfect for you
You, sir are mad! But I like it! Keep at it Tony!
I figured it was safer to do the parallel connections first. Then you can't short anything out until you start completing the final side of series connections. Then I cover the parts I'm not working on with some tape or foam rubber, so if I drop a piece of nickel strip it can't land in a place to short the cells.
You always impress me!
Hi Vortecks,
I'm planning on expanding the battery of my own m365 Pro. Do you still have the design for the 3d printed battery expansion? And if so, would it be possible to get a copy sent? Cheers
this is the asolute best!!! Keep em coming
Ah I need oxygen supply after this one, I am running out...
Beautiful batt pack that.
Tony, maybe you could mount a back rack and put the motor controller above the back wheel. You can also buy a wider board to go on top the current footboard. Also as long as the voltage of the motor and the battery is the same the watts don't matter as long as there are the same or more watts from the battery.
Ooo new video... 😍
Which 3D printer do you use Tony?
Sweet! Banggood doesn't ship batteries to Canada anymore so I appreciate any new seller you mention.
Aliexpress?
You should get phaserunner or decent vesc. Phaserunner is very compact, up to 20s 50amp constant vesc is limited to 12 or 13s and 50amp constant. Both of them are very compact and powerful enough for your use. Everything would fit inside.
Phaserunner - £290. VESC - £500. Sabvoton SVMC72150 - Free.
I can't think of a better reason to use it mate 😁
been there done that did it with circ scooters after I found a trashbin with 20 motors burns around every 10km on 72v 2000w xD
Everywhere I'm checking for battery mods it's always the 2500 18650 cells. Is there any reason for that as the 18650 cells come in 3000 and 3500mah (I use them on my vape mods) but no one seems to use them for battery packs
Hej i like your Chanel alot what bms should i buy for a battery like this . Please send a link IF you already have a favorite one?
Thanks for the tip about the VHB tape, I've tried superglue and hot snot for building packs and neither does a particularly good job.
I cringe when I see hot glue being used - as you know, it just cracks up and impossible to cleanly remove a faulty cell. With VHB tape, you dribble some IPA solvent down the VHB strip, wait 5 mins and it slides out (and the battery) 😁
What size heat shrink did you use for your battery pack? Im building the same type of battery. Thanks mate!
From what I remember, it's 150mm mate.
Hi do you do private custom jobs for improving battery for Xiaomi M365 pro?
Love the constructive criticism laughing and pis taking , always good to boost your confidence that lol, I’m ebike but this is a great video , think I might have to sub to your channel
Looks great - Just bought my new Pro .....can u convert mine . I here your a Brummie so atleast we live in the same area ... I Hope
Love the bits of banter... 👍
are you and chloie doing okey in these times? and good luck on the m365 build
What about building these packs from LG 21700 M48?
Can I ask I wish to make a battery myself can I just get some good quality cells and weld then together lk you have and Install and will it work with no problems as long as I have done this correctly lol 😊
Do you mind telling me where you got the batteries from for that price please? many thanks
Look above this message, there's something that says 'SHOW MORE'..... Click that and all will be revealed 😁
Tony, have you ever lived in Sydney western suburbs Australia back around 1979? You sound a lot like a mate of mine back then when we both used to go out to the Parramatta Leagues Club drinking & getting stoned every weekend in the back garage.
It's coincidental you mention that...... no, I've never been to Australia but I've always wanted to go 😁
@@Vortecks You should try to come over one day & bring your e-scooter because you'll not want to ever want to ride anything that's standard speed anymore lol.
lool i put 22s lipo on one its was fast will wheel spin everywhere going 2wd next this set up looks more usable for everyday use 18650s vs lipo life span etc good work
Good stuff mate do u sell them how much
Hurry up and get it sorted so we can go for a run. It’s looking good so far. Gotta love Chloe bless her. Capt. obvious 😂 took my Kaabo Mantis out today for its first run. I’m in scooter heaven 👻
I'll send you an email in a minute mate 😁
Sorry, I meant a text 😁
Best ones :) vtc5a more amps. Means more speed.
Tony i Love your way.. U mind helping me out with a problem? Brand new 6ov scooter massively sparked when connected to charger not plugged into the wall.. though bc of the capacitor, but when charger plugged into wall first , the sparking was more of a torch .. out of the plug how can that be ? Could it be a broken bms or more likely a broken charger? It has dual ports and 2 chargers .. happened both times.. please help out.
Wait a sec, the motor controller has variable regen??? What motor controller is that!
Sabvoton SVMC72150
Hi Tony I have 52 volt 17.5 shark ebike battery with a on /off switch on the side that won't switch off any suggestion please
Grate vid mate well done
i tried to email you tony but got no reply sadly are thease cells better than samsung30qs ? i heard 30qs dont charge after250 cycles or dont like heavy current draw i have a muxs3kw hub and want a 72v battery but am worried i choose the wrong cells please advice tony or someone before I buy as i have been saving for nearly 2years to buy them i plan to buy 120 to 160 of them
Sorry mate, my inbox is constantly flooded at the moment 😕
To put things into terms you'll easily understand.......... First off, no battery likes continuous heavy current draw, it's not just 30Q's, it's all of them. If you start running a battery close to its limit, it gets hot.
Let's draw an analogy.......Imagine a battery as a resistor (in essence, that's all they are anyway). The 30Q has a higher resistance than the 25R and it gets hotter if you push it the same amount. The 30Q is rated at 15A constant, the 25R is rated at 20A constant - CONSTANT. You'll never push your cells at their constant power, it's not possible on an e-Bike or any other EV. If you're looking at explosive power, the 25R's will handle it better than the 30Q but, if you're looking at range, the 30Q is your best choice.
There are a lot of design factors to take into account when building a battery but the main one is cooling (also, have a look at my video named "size matters"). The main areas to keep cool are the terminals so please don't do the same as loads of people and pack the shit out of the casings, you only need the bare essential to stop things rattling and causing problems further down the line. What I'm trying to say is, don't add packaging because there's a space.
With any battery, if you keep pulsing the power, they will start fading but if you keep them as cool as possible, have some considerations when building the pack and store them correctly (at 3.7V per cell) you won't have problems for many years.
It annoys me when people give false information about batteries. Generalising and saying that 30Q's only last 250 charges is bollocks - if you pack the shit out of your casings, don't care for them and run them at full power all the time then yes, they might only last that long but to generalise that is just wrong. Look at my 26650's which everyone said were shit - after charging them to 4.2V per cell every time and pulling >250A quite a few times on every run, they haven't faded whatsoever in the 2 years I've had them because I considered how I built the battery and I know how to look after them.
In a nutshell..... you might regret buying the 30Q because the power will fade quicker than the 25R but then again, you might regret buying the 25R because they won't give the same range as the 30Q...... sadly, you can't have everything - I just want power and I don't give a shit how far it takes me 😁
The xiaomi controller is quite versatile itself using the open source firmware mods with variable regen as well, how come you don't want to use that? Since you're running 14S if you have a version 2 DRV unit it can easily handle up to 85v! If you upgrade to IRFB4110 mosfets, then you can very comfortably pump 2 kW into the motor, maintaining the original drivetrain components (40 amps @ 14S)
Really? After I'd used mine on 12S at around 1.2kw, it was toast and kept cutting out due to overheating. I'd already fitted IRFB4110 mosfets and it still wouldn't handle it 😪
How hard is it to attach an external battery pack to EXTENDED the range, not for performance but the range is what I really would like to improve ?
It's relatively easy mate ruclips.net/video/PXV02YfBCZs/видео.html
5:28 best part ;D LOL
Haha crazy.. but the vendor you buy from are they all legit cells? All their cells are like half price compared to everyone else? Better to pay some pennies more and skip liitokalas and know you get quality cells, going to build 20s12p for an old vespa..
Can you give us a link to the Spot welder you are using?
Here ya go malectrics.eu/
Hey Cloe! Furlough huh? Looks like a rocket Tony. Cheers
👍👍👍👍👍👍👍👍
but will his beat Andy's new scooter???
looks like we have a double drag race once this lock down finishes :-D
Easily mate. You'll have to wait a couple of weeks to see how stupidly fast it goes (It even scares me!) 😁
@@Vortecks cant wait for the race, Andy must be in hiding as i can see him the the comments, however, after watching his new scooter video i though he would fancy his chances :-P , the big question is . . . .will i get odds at William Hill on these two races ???
Put it on so that you can have a foot warmer
от тряски может повредится оболочка .. ну а потом ПРИВЕТ НОВЫЙ ГОД
Why dont you use a VESC Tony?
£500 😪
Those tyres are nylon. I would not hold out for much grip.
How can you just multiply with whatever amps your speedcontroller can handle? Thats never a 2kw/h battery...
It's not a 2kWh battery, it's a 672Wh or 0.672kWh battery but it's capable of delivering 5.3kW
kW and kWh are different things mate (power vs capacity)
😎👍👍👍👍👍👍👍👍👍👍
Spent all that money batteries, even has pucture repair kit but not £2 for a set of tyre leavers?? If you want to teach people dont teach bad practice
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Lol very entertaining 🤣
Why youtube why is this on my frontpage and wth are a m365? Why do you want me to look at batterys
paaahaaahaaaaa love the tyres comment... YEAH AMERICA TYRE NOT TIRE :D
Lever it out lol 😂😂👍
You not fit solid tyres
It pood 💩💩💩😂😂😂😂😂😂
I thought ud extend the frame at the back so it has a bit of a sloped tailgait. Somewhere for the controller etc but I suppose might make it rear heavy
If I had all the welding gear and somewhere safe to do it, I might do something like that mate but sadly, I don't 😪
@@Vortecks maybe for a version 2 aye. Visit us local fabricator when lock down is over and all that