It was always clear they were biased. It's D&D and Stannis all over again. We can never get anything good. Don't be surprised if you see Rhaenyra getting a kinder death and Aegon and Alicent gruesome ones.
Although Helaena isn´t a warrior, she is definitly not bad, and she is very likeble. I don´t think Alicent is portrayed as an evil charecter either. The series is definitly portraying Raenera as the good one, for shure, but not all the greens are presented as evil
I agree. Halaena and Alicent are more positively portrayed in House of the Dragon. They are definitely not as bad as described in the book, and I mean that more for the former than the latter. In the book, Halaena is still very likable and innocent. Alicent is a monster in the book. Though it's funny. In the series, it seems to be mostly the females that are presented more positively. The males are not. My next video is actually about this. Therefore, I feel like Daeron could've been a great male character to include into the story in order to avoid that criticism.
Man I hope we get daeron the show can’t go on with our him in the books he’s a vital player for the greens and his siblings aegon helana and aemond and the most popular and beautiful beloved by everyone
Willing to bet he’s going to have red/brown hair like Alicent; to “poetically” show that Alicent’s only good son, is like her despite her not raising him. God I fucking hope I’m wrong.
@@francjameso oh fuck you're probably right... And they can even justify it like "the other 3 kids look like Viserys so at least one has to look like the mother" And he's also "good and kind" Damn bro why did you say it to me
Since Daeron is much like Ned Stark in those old days, i think he saw Rhenya for what she really was, evil at heart and wicked, and him being noble and morals saw through her lies.
@@SachinKahandal-t4p Lie, threaten children with torture, accuse people of treason for telling the truth, cheating on her husbands, didn't visit her dying father once for 6 years. Do I need to go on?
What I really, really hope we get Daeron Targaryen so that most people have a reason to side with the Greens as the Blacks get progressively more villainous.
Having daemon on your team automatically makes your team evil, the greens only had power hungry otto and the rest would have never gone to the extent of what daemon would have done if the roles were reversed
I always liked how in Alicent's children we got such different characters: the sad boy, the sadist, the innocent, and the righteous. They took Helaena's innocence and made her neurodivergent which is fine but they haven't shown her interact with anyone but her direct family. We still don't understand why the common folk of Kingslanding would mourn or even care for her and her child. They made her neurodivergent for the sake of the plot (she's just a walking spoiler alert) and took away her character. They seem to be trying to blend Aemond and Daeron. I don't see how they can reconcile that once war breaks out.
Yeah, they need to flesh Halaena's character out more and make it clear why the smallfolk would care about her so much. Maybe they could show how she uses her premonitions to help the smallfolk, maybe by preventing future sicknesses or something. 🤷♂ Either way, they need to flesh out her character. And I agree on the point about Daeron and Aemond being too different. During the war, Aemond just wants to burn everything, but Daeron actually uses some diplomacy and leadership. It'll be interesting to see how they reconcile that if they decide to blend the characters together. 🤔
Yeah. Every man's flaws and shortcomings are painstakingly obvious. They did King Aegon II of his name wrong, making him only indulgent scum as a prince followed by a nothing as a king.
At the end we just have to wait for official news or up until the start of S2. I'd be happy to see that HBO learnt from their past-mistakes and use the book lore. Especially since unlike Lady Stoneheart Daeron isnt a magical creature/figure which was the excuse why D&D didnt want to include Stoneheart. In my opinion it is not that horrible that Daeron wasnt in S1. The plot was very compromised and most of the side characters did not have anything to say at all e.g. Rhaena, Helaena, Baela, Joffrey, etc. As fas as I know HBO wanted Condal to cut the scene between Baela and Rhaenys since the episode was too long and it wasnt plot relevant, 'only' a character developing scene. Which in my humble opinion was a very bad decision. Baela deciding to stand up for Rhaenyras cause and Rhaenys seeing Laena in Baela had a very sweet touch and explains why Rhaenys wanted Corlys to take Rhaenyras side. So by my reasoning adding Daeron to S1 would only result in the audience knowing his name, nothing more. Cutting him completely or saving him up to S3 would be a huge mistake though. I hope we get to see him in S2 since otherwise I dont think that any of us could empathise with his character even though he is probably the only likeable Team Green character.
They should've at least mentioned him in season 1. Cutting him out of the story completely would be a mistake. He is literally the only one who secures victories for the Greens, winning over the loyalties of the Houses of the Reach. He is definitely a contributing factor in Rhaenyra's downfall and paranoia, so it will be interesting to see how the show deals with all of that if they cut him out. I'm not excited about it, though. If anything, it just gives me flashbacks of Game of Thrones.
@@thecriticalmaester9702 The show will probably cut or downplay Rhaenyra's paranoia and make her strong and more heroic and just, while the Greens will be portrayed as nothing but pure villains.
@@thecriticalmaester9702 Yeah I mean GRRM mentioned in one of his blogs that Daeron is currently in Oldtown. Couldnt they just told us in the series? Alicent or one of her children asking about the wellbeing of their kin?
Small constructive criticism/suggestion: it would be nice if when you show a quote from the books, you also read it aloud. I like to watch these asoiaf video essay style videos kind of like a podcast where I’ll have it playing in the background while doing other things and listening but not watching the screen. I just realized I was missing some of the context in many of your videos 😅
Haha, if you watch some of my other videos, I do actually read from passages in the books, but only when I want to support what I'm saying in the video with what's written in the actual book. However, the quotes that appear before every chapter are more of a stylistic choice on my part and I really like the way that they're done... so I'm sticking with it dammit, lol 😅 Thank you for watching, though... or listening, while working 😆💚
Hot D already turning into game thrones again I’m not watching if he ain’t on there and what’s the point of having vermithor and seasmoke when daeron dragons kills them it’s no point of bringing them on the show and corlys basterd children😳💀
Daeron will be written to be a bastard, to hammer in that Alicent is a hypocrite and have the irony of having a 'plain featured kid', not a Targaryen- Sara Hess 😊
If his acts were inconsequential to the story, it's less work for the writers to just write him out. Most likely, they'll infuse some of his feats into Aemond's character arc. To further enrich and layer Aemond's character.
Leaving him out is worst than painting Green as pure evil it cheapens the story and denies showing a truly noble dragon rider. His death to me was the death rattle blow to the Greens more so than any others.
The only Green with a shred of honor. Tessarion is the dragon I'm most looking forward to seeing. Leaving them out will definitely lead to (rightfully so) charges of bias from the writers on the show.
It would be a HUGE mistake for them to leave Daeron out of future seasons! Especially since Otto himself has already mentioned him and Tessarion being key to their faction. It would be a slap in the face to fans and a missed opportunity to include another character of nuance.
Wouldn't it be the opposite? I mean GRRM himself is biased towards The Blacks with him writing a lot more about Rhaenyra, an entire book just for Daemon and the final outcome of the Dance not to forget that The Greens are flat characters but Alicent. If anything Fire&Blood and the books in it (as a creation of GRRM and not the in-world written record) are more interested and focused on the evolution of the main branch of the Targs and so the Blacks during the Dance. The show contrary to the bedrock canon that is the written source and also again contrary to the definition of adaptation, changes most events and dialogues extracts by trying to give a more balanced traits between the Factions of the Dance by focusing in Rhaenyra and Alicent relationship throughout this time. So in order to accomplish this 2 female facing they reduced drastically the age gap between each to nothing. This "balance" makes the ground for the audience to be able to relate with The Green characters as GRRM didn't do in his books, but also taking from The Blacks. One of these are the relationship of Book! Laena and Rhaenyra *into* Show! Alicent and Rhaenyra or Book! Rhaenys and Daemon exchange during the Black Council *to* Show! Daemon raging war lusting with a not committed Rhaenys and peaceful and smarter Rhaenyra, or Book! Rhaenyra making her appearance in an outstanding black outfit *to* the green dress of Show! Alicent. GRRM is biased towards The Blacks per his own initiative and preference and the show-made "balance" only takes from one side to favour the other without prompting anything exchangeable for The Blacks to benefit. The only Black character that benefits from this new narrative is Rhaenyra herself by purging some of her unsavoury non-personal but moral flaws That despite this deviations the show can't take from The Blacks the appeal GRRM built for them is that GRRM bias and canonical setting still stands in spite the showrunners clear manipulation of the authors work. Now, Daeron is portrayed as the gentlest of Alicent's children except Helaena. However Aegon being a sexual harasser if not worse and and Aemond being cruel deranged that even maesters taught in Oldtown and Septons describe him as insane is not great feat. What is most appraising of him is his dedication and loyalty towards his brother Aegon contrary to Aemond who is described for rejoicing in the fall of his brother for his betterment with "the crown suiting him better", while Daeron explains to the Lords that wanted him crown that Aegon's state is unknown and that he has a daughter. He is an important peace for the Green Faction and once Aemond dies and the Traitors lingered at Tumbletown, he is a great threat to Rhaenyra. However this is only the case because Aegon the King the Green champions forward dissapeared and shockingly the greatest dragon Vhagar had fallen at the hands of Prince Daemon. (Vhagar was 130 years old and huge while Caraxes was even less than half her age and size, like when Maegor defeated Aenys' Quicksilver with a 140 years old Balerion - settling that the bigger Dragon beats the younger and smaller). However the Daeron the Daring "title" has more in common with Robb the Young Wolf with the only difference that while Robb went from the North to the Riverlands and sacked the Westerlands and the Crownlands, Daeron never accomplished to leave the Reach borders. He is also maintained in the rear or in the vanguard during the march of the Oldtown army that had its goal to reach Kingslanding, only engaging not huge armies but ambushes and stragglers until Tumbleton. Tumbleton where only the few opposing Reach Lords that didn't stayed neutral joined the Winter Wolfs (a score of 2 thousand men) and the 2 Traitors who went from Black to Greens. Important to remember is that most of the Reach Houses as you said felt that the Hightowers overreached themselves and sat out the war, the most iconic of it being Lady Tyrell Regent of the Reach answer to the call of banners by alluding being "just a woman" facing many dangers of greedy lords. Even then the surrenders Daeron manage to accomplish were from him torching downs keeps of the minor or major lords *from inside* the single kingdom of the Reach. With a great many of casualties with GRRM making quite a point by describing how Bitterbridge was left in the shambles because the crowd of a pub had dismembered Maelor because they weren't able to decide how to divide the bounty or wether to give them to the Greens near Bitterbridge or go the whole track to Kingslanding to Rhaenyra or Maelor's dragon egg. Though none will compare to the Sack of Tumbleton that is considered by GRRM himself as the worst sack ever in the ASOIAF history during the betrayal of the 2 Traitors which Daeron accepted and used to burn down the city, kill all men, old and children that "not even the women survived the onslaught with the army raping the survivors and littering their corpses in near ponds, rivers and lakes". Here the cite: "Tumbleton had been sacked in the most savage fashion: thousands burned, thousands more drowned attempting to swim across the river to safety, girls and women were ravished until they died, and dragons feeding among the ruins. The victory Lord Hightower had won *with the aid of Prince Daeron and the Two Betrayers* sent terror through the city, as the Kingslanders were sure they would be next." Daeron accepted and rewarded the 2 Traitors with lordships, although their ambition will end with their demise and the death of Prince Daeron with him according to all tales no matter who made it possible that he ultimately burnt beneath his tent when Addam Velaryon joined the Riverlords assault on Tumbleton. In conclusion Daeron is a very important part of the Tale that is the Dance and if the showrunners decide to just give up on his character it will mean that the story and the narrative will not focus on the extent of the Dance and its horrors in every corner of the Seven Kingdoms and its seas. Nor the epic fights between the renown characters and other minor characters that will impact the story onwards after the Dance. Though I would not say that it will rob from The Greens the very few somewhat redeemable member of their faction to favour The Blacks when his most despicable and accomplice acts of the greatest savagery and degradation ever in the history of Westeros has his mark. If we go from what House of the Dragon has shown to do, then I think it is more probable that they are going to make his appearance true but clean up his image and ignore many of his deeds to play this "balance" and focus on Rhaenyra and Alicent.
Great video though and you were great with narrating much and more about the analysis of the showrunners constant change. I think it is entertaining enough to make one participate wisely in the exchange.
@@Thrawn23. 15 min lmao. If you read the books and reread throughout the years you know were the quotes are. And to develop an idea in a paragraph is easy to do when you study human sciences in college.
@@vvt-4467 So you developed the idea and transitioned it into 4 and a half paragraghs in 15 minutes. Very impresive but im not gonna act like I know alot about human science
Tom Blyth is my top pick. He played Coriolanius Snow in the Hunger Games prequel and he's also on the Billy the Kid show, where he's fantastic on both. Not to mention he looks good as a blonde and he's 29 but also played Young Snow (who is eighteen in the Hunger Games prequel).
@@Thrawn23. - You mean on account of him being an obvious Targaryen and having a dragon and all that? I agree, but there is no scandal behind a widow with 4 kids and a couple of grandkids screwing someone else after her husband died. They went as far to fundamentally change one of the most epic moments from the Dance of the Dragons in order to show us that Alicent was banging Cole. It's THAT important to them. There has to be a reason, and it has to be big and it has to be material. I can not think of anything else big enough, can you?
@@darriuscole8544 I don't know the exact reason but Olivia Cook said they wanted to show Alicent experiencing pleasure for the 1st time. Her not getting to experience that is part of the tragedy of her character. The whole reason she saved Cole was to give him a chance at redemption despite no one else knowing about it. The ideals that she drilled in her kids head becomes irrelevant along with that honor, duty and sacrifice speach she gave Rhaenyra goes out the window when she herself cannot follow those same rules and prerogatives. And during B&C seriously, only to do it again afterwards. I don't understand why they keep contridicting what they established earlier. Make it make sense
He wasn't in season 1, but Ryan Condal says that he'll be mentioned in season 2. I don't know how they'll present the story fully without him because he's an important character in terms of the Dance of the Dragons, specifically pertaining to the threat that he poses to Rhaenyra and her faction in the Reach.
!!!Spoiler!!! As far as i remember he burned to death in a tent when Addam surprisingly attacked the city tumbletown with seasmoke to prove that he's not a traitor like the other dragonseeds. But I bet in the show it will be different. It was a very boring and pointless death for such an interesting character.
@@KingSalaman yeah looking forward to see him in the next season. I think they will definitely introduce him, because he got mentioned and we also saw Tessarion his dragon at the end of episode 8 flying above the hightower army marches towards east. I only hope they will portrait him kind, smart and daring as he is described and not so evil and rutheless like his brothers.
I found him an overrated character but some headcannons they're making me think a lot about him, the guy was never prepared to command, and he wasn't even 16 during his participation in the war, like... he suffered pressure he never imagined and was forced to make difficult decisions (some made at the base of anger as bitterbriege) and in the end, failed despite trying do his best
I honestly dont think the show has any more bias than the book itself intends. The blacks are thr targaryens whose line survives. They are the winners, if there are winners in war. The blacks also have GRRMs favorite characters, by his own admission hes biased in favor of dawmon. Even still, Daemon is a murderer of innocents, and rhaenyra was a spoiled brat for the first half of the season. Corlys is portrayed as a man who will do literally anything to advance his status. Rhaenys is a woman who bows to the patriarchy (until she supports rhaenyra). Conversly, otto is portrayed as a man most suited to the role of politics. I think the bias is more about our own bias than the shows bias.
I think that for some reason they made the Green bad scenes more relevant or visually impactful while belittling the Black's. Aegon with the orphans is utter, disgusting nonsense, Aemond being cuddled like a baby by a whore is ridiculous as well. However they saved Laenor for some reason,they left out 5 Velaryons getting their tongue pierced out because of Rhaenyra,they made Blood and Cheese look like a mistake to justify Daemon and Rhaenyra
@luvthevanillaflow every single green is dead by the end and even if aegon lived, they had no army when the northmen and valemen come to kings landing for the hour of the wolf. Neither side won, however the blacks line lives on. That sounds way closer to winning than being poisoned by your own council, or dying trying to defend your city with no soldiers.
I have a feeling Daeron will be the Targaryen that doesn't care to be one. He'll either give up on the war and leave, abandoning his dragon after learning of Aemonds death or he'll be slain by Hugh and Ulf before the 2nd battle of Tumbleton.
There will be a lot of weird decicions in season 3. They completely wrote Hugh different in the books. I wouldn't wonder if it doesn't build up to a second battle of tumbletown. They must turn characters upside down by 180 degrees like daenerys in season 8 to make it happen. At the moment i don't see a traitor in Hugh neither a totally lost rhaenyra.
Daeron isn't an important character in fire and blood. He only comes up near the end of the war. George clearly didn't put much thought into him and he doesn't really affect anything that much, especially dove the two dragonseeda went over anyway. Sorry, disagree on that point since there's not even enough info or interactions to say much of anything about him compared to the others.
I don't know, I kinda disagree. A lot of the battles that are fought during this war involve Daeron himself, so how are they gonna have a Dance with Dragons without him and his dragon? How are they gonna show all of the important events that happen in the Reach without his character being present???
Daeron is a important character if you actually read the book it tells you he was the biggest threat to the blacks so get eyes check bias comment we see you are team black
@@thecriticalmaester9702 no, just like two near the end of the war in the reach, and there were two other dragon riders there--free betrayers, so he and his dragon aren't even necessary for the dragons, since they had switched sides to the greens at that point. Maybe he'll be a good character in the show, but George added him in the story as an afterthought and he's not necessary for the story, dove there are two other dragons on the same side there at that point
@@YarPirates-vy7ivhe is very necessary to the story. He saves the Hightower army at the battle of the Honeywine. Then adds the armies of the Reach to his own and becomes the biggest threat to Rhaenyra. Ulf and Hugh see that there's no point in joining a losing cause and join him in destroying the Riverland army then the town itself. They can't just cut a whole plotline that is essential for the arch of the story
I'll be honest here. In the show, the Greens are portrayed to be much better people than what they actually are in the books. Daeron himself was simply on the wrong side.
Lol what? The show has not left a single stone left unturned to make greens the villains of this show. It is quite obvious at this point. The whole point of this story is that both sides are bad and caused extinction of dragons. But it is clear that showrunners have choosen a favorite and have been doing everything to make greens look bad.
If anything, the show is biased FOR the greens. Made up Alicent's lie about Viserys changing his mind on his deathbed (rather than just showing it for the hostile takeover that it was), made Lucerys' death out to be an accident rather than the act of war that it was, made Daemon look 10 times more cruel and evil than he is in the books, etc.
No me hagas reír porfavor, el programa está claramente inclinado hacia el equipo Black. Rhaenyra aquí es un personaje nuevo, no es como se le describe en el libro, Daemon es igual que en el libro: despreciable y rudo. A las gemelas Rhaena y Baela está temporada le van a inventar escenas que no existen. Van a borrar a ortigas para no mostrar el quiebre de la relación de Daemon y Rhaenyra y también para que ella no se muestre como es en realidad: Misógina y Racista. Los verdes aquí parecen villanos de caricaturas. A Alicent la convirtieron en tremenda tonta e hipócrita, una eterna víctima. A haelena la convirtieron en autista. A Aegon en un cobarde, violador, pedófilo, etc. Al único que mejoraron fue a Aemond.
If they leave Daeron’s character out of the show, then they're definitely biased. He's one of the only "good guys" from the Green faction.
I think so, too.
It was always clear they were biased. It's D&D and Stannis all over again. We can never get anything good. Don't be surprised if you see Rhaenyra getting a kinder death and Aegon and Alicent gruesome ones.
@gooby214 It's because the writers think of her as a girlboss "yaaas queen"
@@NaphakadeTheGoat Exactly. They're simpletons.
@@NaphakadeTheGoat Oh, seven hells 🤦♂
Tessarion is one of my favorite dragons it will be so upsetting if Daeron and Tessarion aren’t in the show
One of few who actually deserved the throne, especially considering his young age
Daeron the King Who Never Was 😅
Him and Helaena were the only ones I'd like on the throne ngl.
Aegon lll as well
Yeah but it’s super sad his story. His death is so unnecessary and tragic.
If Daeron isn't in the show we riot
I'm with you!
@@thecriticalmaester9702 Me too.
Same
Yeah
hes confirmed to be in the second season
Daeron Targaryen 💚🐉
Everyone: Where is Daeron?
Viserys: Wait, I have five kids?
Although Helaena isn´t a warrior, she is definitly not bad, and she is very likeble. I don´t think Alicent is portrayed as an evil charecter either. The series is definitly portraying Raenera as the good one, for shure, but not all the greens are presented as evil
I agree. Halaena and Alicent are more positively portrayed in House of the Dragon. They are definitely not as bad as described in the book, and I mean that more for the former than the latter. In the book, Halaena is still very likable and innocent. Alicent is a monster in the book. Though it's funny. In the series, it seems to be mostly the females that are presented more positively. The males are not. My next video is actually about this. Therefore, I feel like Daeron could've been a great male character to include into the story in order to avoid that criticism.
The show softened alicents character a lot in the show. She was cold blooded in the book
Man I hope we get daeron the show can’t go on with our him in the books he’s a vital player for the greens and his siblings aegon helana and aemond and the most popular and beautiful beloved by everyone
I will not be surprised if they introduce him just to kill him off quickly as a joke lol
😥
Harry Strickland style
Or Rickon style, that poor lad.
I can't wait to learn how the show changes Daeron
I have no doubt they will do that now
Willing to bet he’s going to have red/brown hair like Alicent; to “poetically” show that Alicent’s only good son, is like her despite her not raising him.
God I fucking hope I’m wrong.
@@francjameso oh fuck you're probably right...
And they can even justify it like "the other 3 kids look like Viserys so at least one has to look like the mother"
And he's also "good and kind"
Damn bro why did you say it to me
Since Daeron is much like Ned Stark in those old days, i think he saw Rhenya for what she really was, evil at heart and wicked, and him being noble and morals saw through her lies.
Lmao what
What did Rhaenerya do?
Also he was 12 when he left for Old Town. Lets not forget how Alicent brainwashed her kids.
@@SachinKahandal-t4p Lie, threaten children with torture, accuse people of treason for telling the truth, cheating on her husbands, didn't visit her dying father once for 6 years. Do I need to go on?
What I really, really hope we get Daeron Targaryen so that most people have a reason to side with the Greens as the Blacks get progressively more villainous.
Having daemon on your team automatically makes your team evil, the greens only had power hungry otto and the rest would have never gone to the extent of what daemon would have done if the roles were reversed
I always liked how in Alicent's children we got such different characters: the sad boy, the sadist, the innocent, and the righteous.
They took Helaena's innocence and made her neurodivergent which is fine but they haven't shown her interact with anyone but her direct family. We still don't understand why the common folk of Kingslanding would mourn or even care for her and her child. They made her neurodivergent for the sake of the plot (she's just a walking spoiler alert) and took away her character.
They seem to be trying to blend Aemond and Daeron. I don't see how they can reconcile that once war breaks out.
Yeah, they need to flesh Halaena's character out more and make it clear why the smallfolk would care about her so much. Maybe they could show how she uses her premonitions to help the smallfolk, maybe by preventing future sicknesses or something. 🤷♂ Either way, they need to flesh out her character.
And I agree on the point about Daeron and Aemond being too different. During the war, Aemond just wants to burn everything, but Daeron actually uses some diplomacy and leadership. It'll be interesting to see how they reconcile that if they decide to blend the characters together. 🤔
Daeron is gonna be the Ned Stark of the series !
Daeron in the show. George RR Martin confirmed it.
Daeron sounds as if he may have been inspired by Edward the Black Prince or even Henry V.
Daeron was the only one who should have been king.
If I were the king, I'd rule from Oldtown, not King's Landing. Stay in the better city.
I don't expect anything anymore from "The desperate housewives of Westeros" they will give female characters more importance, especially Karens.
Yeah. Every man's flaws and shortcomings are painstakingly obvious. They did King Aegon II of his name wrong, making him only indulgent scum as a prince followed by a nothing as a king.
At the end we just have to wait for official news or up until the start of S2. I'd be happy to see that HBO learnt from their past-mistakes and use the book lore. Especially since unlike Lady Stoneheart Daeron isnt a magical creature/figure which was the excuse why D&D didnt want to include Stoneheart.
In my opinion it is not that horrible that Daeron wasnt in S1. The plot was very compromised and most of the side characters did not have anything to say at all e.g. Rhaena, Helaena, Baela, Joffrey, etc.
As fas as I know HBO wanted Condal to cut the scene between Baela and Rhaenys since the episode was too long and it wasnt plot relevant, 'only' a character developing scene. Which in my humble opinion was a very bad decision. Baela deciding to stand up for Rhaenyras cause and Rhaenys seeing Laena in Baela had a very sweet touch and explains why Rhaenys wanted Corlys to take Rhaenyras side.
So by my reasoning adding Daeron to S1 would only result in the audience knowing his name, nothing more. Cutting him completely or saving him up to S3 would be a huge mistake though. I hope we get to see him in S2 since otherwise I dont think that any of us could empathise with his character even though he is probably the only likeable Team Green character.
They should've at least mentioned him in season 1. Cutting him out of the story completely would be a mistake. He is literally the only one who secures victories for the Greens, winning over the loyalties of the Houses of the Reach. He is definitely a contributing factor in Rhaenyra's downfall and paranoia, so it will be interesting to see how the show deals with all of that if they cut him out. I'm not excited about it, though. If anything, it just gives me flashbacks of Game of Thrones.
I fear Daeron will get the the same treatment as Willas, Garlan and Victarion.
@@thecriticalmaester9702 The show will probably cut or downplay Rhaenyra's paranoia and make her strong and more heroic and just, while the Greens will be portrayed as nothing but pure villains.
@@thecriticalmaester9702 Yeah I mean GRRM mentioned in one of his blogs that Daeron is currently in Oldtown. Couldnt they just told us in the series? Alicent or one of her children asking about the wellbeing of their kin?
@@hristiyan5695 EXACTLY!
It would be nice to have like, one good person in the show.
I hope they don’t ruin Daeron’s character. 😭😭🙆🏾♂️
Small constructive criticism/suggestion: it would be nice if when you show a quote from the books, you also read it aloud. I like to watch these asoiaf video essay style videos kind of like a podcast where I’ll have it playing in the background while doing other things and listening but not watching the screen. I just realized I was missing some of the context in many of your videos 😅
Haha, if you watch some of my other videos, I do actually read from passages in the books, but only when I want to support what I'm saying in the video with what's written in the actual book. However, the quotes that appear before every chapter are more of a stylistic choice on my part and I really like the way that they're done... so I'm sticking with it dammit, lol 😅 Thank you for watching, though... or listening, while working 😆💚
Ummm, press pause…
Hot D already turning into game thrones again I’m not watching if he ain’t on there and what’s the point of having vermithor and seasmoke when daeron dragons kills them it’s no point of bringing them on the show and corlys basterd children😳💀
Exactly! Daeron must be kept on or we riot. 😐
Daeron will be written to be a bastard, to hammer in that Alicent is a hypocrite and have the irony of having a 'plain featured kid', not a Targaryen- Sara Hess 😊
If his acts were inconsequential to the story, it's less work for the writers to just write him out. Most likely, they'll infuse some of his feats into Aemond's character arc. To further enrich and layer Aemond's character.
crazy…cause now we got him
WE'RE GONNA GET HIM!!! 😭💚😭🔥🔥
Not quite but eventually
Leaving him out is worst than painting Green as pure evil it cheapens the story and denies showing a truly noble dragon rider. His death to me was the death rattle blow to the Greens more so than any others.
He finally was mentioned in the new episode!!
where ?
@@krickz_77Ep2 and 6
Insane how a character whos essentially the Green's last hope wasnt even meant to be in the show.
Finally mentioned in the show
The only Green with a shred of honor.
Tessarion is the dragon I'm most looking forward to seeing.
Leaving them out will definitely lead to (rightfully so) charges of bias from the writers on the show.
If he is not included, the show is more biased than it already has been.
Aegon had more honour than all blacks except the Northmen. He himdelf fought in the war because he knew that a king must fight his own battles.
It would be a HUGE mistake for them to leave Daeron out of future seasons! Especially since Otto himself has already mentioned him and Tessarion being key to their faction. It would be a slap in the face to fans and a missed opportunity to include another character of nuance.
Wouldn't it be the opposite? I mean GRRM himself is biased towards The Blacks with him writing a lot more about Rhaenyra, an entire book just for Daemon and the final outcome of the Dance not to forget that The Greens are flat characters but Alicent. If anything Fire&Blood and the books in it (as a creation of GRRM and not the in-world written record) are more interested and focused on the evolution of the main branch of the Targs and so the Blacks during the Dance.
The show contrary to the bedrock canon that is the written source and also again contrary to the definition of adaptation, changes most events and dialogues extracts by trying to give a more balanced traits between the Factions of the Dance by focusing in Rhaenyra and Alicent relationship throughout this time. So in order to accomplish this 2 female facing they reduced drastically the age gap between each to nothing. This "balance" makes the ground for the audience to be able to relate with The Green characters as GRRM didn't do in his books, but also taking from The Blacks. One of these are the relationship of Book! Laena and Rhaenyra *into* Show! Alicent and Rhaenyra or Book! Rhaenys and Daemon exchange during the Black Council *to* Show! Daemon raging war lusting with a not committed Rhaenys and peaceful and smarter Rhaenyra, or Book! Rhaenyra making her appearance in an outstanding black outfit *to* the green dress of Show! Alicent. GRRM is biased towards The Blacks per his own initiative and preference and the show-made "balance" only takes from one side to favour the other without prompting anything exchangeable for The Blacks to benefit. The only Black character that benefits from this new narrative is Rhaenyra herself by purging some of her unsavoury non-personal but moral flaws
That despite this deviations the show can't take from The Blacks the appeal GRRM built for them is that GRRM bias and canonical setting still stands in spite the showrunners clear manipulation of the authors work.
Now, Daeron is portrayed as the gentlest of Alicent's children except Helaena. However Aegon being a sexual harasser if not worse and and Aemond being cruel deranged that even maesters taught in Oldtown and Septons describe him as insane is not great feat. What is most appraising of him is his dedication and loyalty towards his brother Aegon contrary to Aemond who is described for rejoicing in the fall of his brother for his betterment with "the crown suiting him better", while Daeron explains to the Lords that wanted him crown that Aegon's state is unknown and that he has a daughter. He is an important peace for the Green Faction and once Aemond dies and the Traitors lingered at Tumbletown, he is a great threat to Rhaenyra. However this is only the case because Aegon the King the Green champions forward dissapeared and shockingly the greatest dragon Vhagar had fallen at the hands of Prince Daemon. (Vhagar was 130 years old and huge while Caraxes was even less than half her age and size, like when Maegor defeated Aenys' Quicksilver with a 140 years old Balerion - settling that the bigger Dragon beats the younger and smaller).
However the Daeron the Daring "title" has more in common with Robb the Young Wolf with the only difference that while Robb went from the North to the Riverlands and sacked the Westerlands and the Crownlands, Daeron never accomplished to leave the Reach borders. He is also maintained in the rear or in the vanguard during the march of the Oldtown army that had its goal to reach Kingslanding, only engaging not huge armies but ambushes and stragglers until Tumbleton. Tumbleton where only the few opposing Reach Lords that didn't stayed neutral joined the Winter Wolfs (a score of 2 thousand men) and the 2 Traitors who went from Black to Greens. Important to remember is that most of the Reach Houses as you said felt that the Hightowers overreached themselves and sat out the war, the most iconic of it being Lady Tyrell Regent of the Reach answer to the call of banners by alluding being "just a woman" facing many dangers of greedy lords. Even then the surrenders Daeron manage to accomplish were from him torching downs keeps of the minor or major lords *from inside* the single kingdom of the Reach. With a great many of casualties with GRRM making quite a point by describing how Bitterbridge was left in the shambles because the crowd of a pub had dismembered Maelor because they weren't able to decide how to divide the bounty or wether to give them to the Greens near Bitterbridge or go the whole track to Kingslanding to Rhaenyra or Maelor's dragon egg. Though none will compare to the Sack of Tumbleton that is considered by GRRM himself as the worst sack ever in the ASOIAF history during the betrayal of the 2 Traitors which Daeron accepted and used to burn down the city, kill all men, old and children that "not even the women survived the onslaught with the army raping the survivors and littering their corpses in near ponds, rivers and lakes". Here the cite:
"Tumbleton had been sacked in the most savage fashion: thousands burned, thousands more drowned attempting to swim across the river to safety, girls and women were ravished until they died, and dragons feeding among the ruins. The victory Lord Hightower had won *with the aid of Prince Daeron and the Two Betrayers* sent terror through the city, as the Kingslanders were sure they would be next."
Daeron accepted and rewarded the 2 Traitors with lordships, although their ambition will end with their demise and the death of Prince Daeron with him according to all tales no matter who made it possible that he ultimately burnt beneath his tent when Addam Velaryon joined the Riverlords assault on Tumbleton.
In conclusion Daeron is a very important part of the Tale that is the Dance and if the showrunners decide to just give up on his character it will mean that the story and the narrative will not focus on the extent of the Dance and its horrors in every corner of the Seven Kingdoms and its seas. Nor the epic fights between the renown characters and other minor characters that will impact the story onwards after the Dance. Though I would not say that it will rob from The Greens the very few somewhat redeemable member of their faction to favour The Blacks when his most despicable and accomplice acts of the greatest savagery and degradation ever in the history of Westeros has his mark. If we go from what House of the Dragon has shown to do, then I think it is more probable that they are going to make his appearance true but clean up his image and ignore many of his deeds to play this "balance" and focus on Rhaenyra and Alicent.
Great video though and you were great with narrating much and more about the analysis of the showrunners constant change. I think it is entertaining enough to make one participate wisely in the exchange.
How long did it take you to write this
@@Thrawn23. 15 min lmao. If you read the books and reread throughout the years you know were the quotes are. And to develop an idea in a paragraph is easy to do when you study human sciences in college.
@@vvt-4467 So you developed the idea and transitioned it into 4 and a half paragraghs in 15 minutes. Very impresive but im not gonna act like I know alot about human science
Daeron is important. Who will play hischaracter?
Tom Blyth is my top pick. He played Coriolanius Snow in the Hunger Games prequel and he's also on the Billy the Kid show, where he's fantastic on both. Not to mention he looks good as a blonde and he's 29 but also played Young Snow (who is eighteen in the Hunger Games prequel).
They already confirmed he will be in the show .
Just not until S3 unfortunately
Sadly, I think they are going to kill him off in 1 or 2 episodes.
They can't, unless they want to draw the ire of the book-fans and ruin the impact of many future events pertaining to Daeron's storyline.
@thecriticalmaester9702 Doran Martell would like to have a word with you. Say hi to Arianne while you are at it.
This all off screen. He will be metioned fighting then dieing off screen. He wasn't casted as a baby, I doubt he be casted as a teen or adult.
Jacaerys if it came with the correct skin
Hair color
If he’s cut from the show I’m gonna drop it. Not introducing him in season 2 or tessarion is stupid
The will mention him a couple times this season but yeah I don't understand that decision
It's Happening!
They are going totell us that Daeron is Criston Cole's bastard....an assassination of Alicent's character.
I wouldn't put it past them. 😭🤦🏾♂️
That literally makes zero sense but so have alot of the decisions the writers have chosen
@@Thrawn23. - You mean on account of him being an obvious Targaryen and having a dragon and all that? I agree, but there is no scandal behind a widow with 4 kids and a couple of grandkids screwing someone else after her husband died. They went as far to fundamentally change one of the most epic moments from the Dance of the Dragons in order to show us that Alicent was banging Cole. It's THAT important to them. There has to be a reason, and it has to be big and it has to be material.
I can not think of anything else big enough, can you?
@@darriuscole8544 I don't know the exact reason but Olivia Cook said they wanted to show Alicent experiencing pleasure for the 1st time. Her not getting to experience that is part of the tragedy of her character. The whole reason she saved Cole was to give him a chance at redemption despite no one else knowing about it. The ideals that she drilled in her kids head becomes irrelevant along with that honor, duty and sacrifice speach she gave Rhaenyra goes out the window when she herself cannot follow those same rules and prerogatives. And during B&C seriously, only to do it again afterwards. I don't understand why they keep contridicting what they established earlier. Make it make sense
@@Thrawn23. - I don't know what you mean by B&C?
Video needs correction: Daeron being mentioned in S2E2
Why they didn't just made Daeron the king? If Viserys hasd lived, he would have liked Daeron
No worries. He's gonna be in it.
Tessarion is more beautiful than Sunfyre. But nothing beats Caraxes, the most beautiful and only deformed dragon.
Was he in the first season? Like as a baby or something? I didn't even see him in the trailer.
He wasn't in season 1, but Ryan Condal says that he'll be mentioned in season 2. I don't know how they'll present the story fully without him because he's an important character in terms of the Dance of the Dragons, specifically pertaining to the threat that he poses to Rhaenyra and her faction in the Reach.
How did he die?
!!!Spoiler!!!
As far as i remember he burned to death in a tent when Addam surprisingly attacked the city tumbletown with seasmoke to prove that he's not a traitor like the other dragonseeds. But I bet in the show it will be different. It was a very boring and pointless death for such an interesting character.
@@MadnessIsRising oh damn. Hopefully they introduce him next season
@@KingSalaman yeah looking forward to see him in the next season. I think they will definitely introduce him, because he got mentioned and we also saw Tessarion his dragon at the end of episode 8 flying above the hightower army marches towards east. I only hope they will portrait him kind, smart and daring as he is described and not so evil and rutheless like his brothers.
@@MadnessIsRising I would hope they keep his book essence intact
I found him an overrated character but some headcannons they're making me think a lot about him, the guy was never prepared to command, and he wasn't even 16 during his participation in the war, like... he suffered pressure he never imagined and was forced to make difficult decisions (some made at the base of anger as bitterbriege) and in the end, failed despite trying do his best
I honestly dont think the show has any more bias than the book itself intends. The blacks are thr targaryens whose line survives. They are the winners, if there are winners in war. The blacks also have GRRMs favorite characters, by his own admission hes biased in favor of dawmon. Even still, Daemon is a murderer of innocents, and rhaenyra was a spoiled brat for the first half of the season. Corlys is portrayed as a man who will do literally anything to advance his status. Rhaenys is a woman who bows to the patriarchy (until she supports rhaenyra). Conversly, otto is portrayed as a man most suited to the role of politics. I think the bias is more about our own bias than the shows bias.
I think that for some reason they made the Green bad scenes more relevant or visually impactful while belittling the Black's. Aegon with the orphans is utter, disgusting nonsense, Aemond being cuddled like a baby by a whore is ridiculous as well. However they saved Laenor for some reason,they left out 5 Velaryons getting their tongue pierced out because of Rhaenyra,they made Blood and Cheese look like a mistake to justify Daemon and Rhaenyra
They are not the winners. The greens are
@luvthevanillaflow every single green is dead by the end and even if aegon lived, they had no army when the northmen and valemen come to kings landing for the hour of the wolf. Neither side won, however the blacks line lives on. That sounds way closer to winning than being poisoned by your own council, or dying trying to defend your city with no soldiers.
'Viserys the weak'
Viserys the neglectful
I have a feeling Daeron will be the Targaryen that doesn't care to be one. He'll either give up on the war and leave, abandoning his dragon after learning of Aemonds death or he'll be slain by Hugh and Ulf before the 2nd battle of Tumbleton.
All off screen of course
There will be a lot of weird decicions in season 3. They completely wrote Hugh different in the books. I wouldn't wonder if it doesn't build up to a second battle of tumbletown. They must turn characters upside down by 180 degrees like daenerys in season 8 to make it happen. At the moment i don't see a traitor in Hugh neither a totally lost rhaenyra.
Good and Noble doesn't mean likeable. C'mon. Daemon is good and noble? 😂 You need to be CHA-RIS-MA-TIC
Daeron isn't an important character in fire and blood. He only comes up near the end of the war. George clearly didn't put much thought into him and he doesn't really affect anything that much, especially dove the two dragonseeda went over anyway. Sorry, disagree on that point since there's not even enough info or interactions to say much of anything about him compared to the others.
I don't know, I kinda disagree. A lot of the battles that are fought during this war involve Daeron himself, so how are they gonna have a Dance with Dragons without him and his dragon? How are they gonna show all of the important events that happen in the Reach without his character being present???
Daeron is a important character if you actually read the book it tells you he was the biggest threat to the blacks so get eyes check bias comment we see you are team black
@@thecriticalmaester9702 no, just like two near the end of the war in the reach, and there were two other dragon riders there--free betrayers, so he and his dragon aren't even necessary for the dragons, since they had switched sides to the greens at that point. Maybe he'll be a good character in the show, but George added him in the story as an afterthought and he's not necessary for the story, dove there are two other dragons on the same side there at that point
@@YarPirates-vy7ivdude shut up
@@YarPirates-vy7ivhe is very necessary to the story. He saves the Hightower army at the battle of the Honeywine. Then adds the armies of the Reach to his own and becomes the biggest threat to Rhaenyra. Ulf and Hugh see that there's no point in joining a losing cause and join him in destroying the Riverland army then the town itself. They can't just cut a whole plotline that is essential for the arch of the story
I'll be honest here. In the show, the Greens are portrayed to be much better people than what they actually are in the books. Daeron himself was simply on the wrong side.
How was he on the wrong side, when he was protecting his family?
@@crazybanana331cuz they obviously took what’s not theirs
Lol what? The show has not left a single stone left unturned to make greens the villains of this show. It is quite obvious at this point. The whole point of this story is that both sides are bad and caused extinction of dragons. But it is clear that showrunners have choosen a favorite and have been doing everything to make greens look bad.
@@YK-rs8pm Daeron wouldn’t betray his brothers for an older sister that doesn’t give a shit about him.
@@YK-rs8pmas soon as Aegon was born the throne was theirs
If anything, the show is biased FOR the greens. Made up Alicent's lie about Viserys changing his mind on his deathbed (rather than just showing it for the hostile takeover that it was), made Lucerys' death out to be an accident rather than the act of war that it was, made Daemon look 10 times more cruel and evil than he is in the books, etc.
No me hagas reír porfavor, el programa está claramente inclinado hacia el equipo Black. Rhaenyra aquí es un personaje nuevo, no es como se le describe en el libro, Daemon es igual que en el libro: despreciable y rudo. A las gemelas Rhaena y Baela está temporada le van a inventar escenas que no existen. Van a borrar a ortigas para no mostrar el quiebre de la relación de Daemon y Rhaenyra y también para que ella no se muestre como es en realidad: Misógina y Racista. Los verdes aquí parecen villanos de caricaturas. A Alicent la convirtieron en tremenda tonta e hipócrita, una eterna víctima. A haelena la convirtieron en autista. A Aegon en un cobarde, violador, pedófilo, etc. Al único que mejoraron fue a Aemond.
@@AnaAguilera-jc5kl No habla espanol
@@williamhermann6635 Puedes usar traductor, por si no sabes.
@@AnaAguilera-jc5kl i dont speak spanish