Pilatus PC-12 vs Beechcraft King Air 200
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- Опубликовано: 13 апр 2017
- Here we have a battle between two epic turboprops, the always impressive Pilatus PC-12 and the mighty Beechcraft King Air 200! Let me know in the comments below your favourite of these two general aviation aircraft.
The Beechcraft King Air 200 has a bit of a head start on the Pilatus PC-12, having its first flight in 1972, whereas the PC-12 had its first flight in 1991. Both of these turboprops are powered by the reliable Pratt & Whitney Canada PT6, with the King Air creating more piece of mind with its twin-engines design and the PC-12 being more efficient with a single engine.
The airplanes included in this battle are:
Pilatus PC-12/45 N156WL taking off
Beechcraft B200 Super King Air C-FPNX taking off and landing
Pilatus PC-12/47 N387TT landing
Pilatus PC-12 N625MC overhead takeoff
Beechcraft Super King Air 200 C-GOMA overhead takeoff
Pilatus PC-12 N75NG takeoff, go-around and landing
Beechcraft King Air 200 N361EA takeoff
Air Sprint Pilauts PC-12 C-GRJP landing
Beech 200 Super King Air C-GHOP landing
Pilatus PC-12/47 C-FDLV takeoff
Beechcraft King Air 200 C-GSIA landing
Pilatus PC-12/47E C-FMPA takeoff
Beechcraft B200 Super King Air C-GPNE takeoff 
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Flown both. The B200s I flew were from the 70s and 80s so the PC12 looked far more advanced. Would like to fly the glass cockpit B200 but those days are behind me.
I don’t know why but this video is very relaxing. anytime I have any kind of panic attack this video works to settle down
Love the Beechcraft King Air 200!!!!
.....and the King Air 350i. Beautiful machines
it's the assholes that own them that are the problem
Hard to beat two engines, both A/C are great. King Air gets my vote.
Used to be the plane of choice by the movie stars before personal jets. They liked the backup plan of a second engine.
We have had more fatal accidents with king airs than PC 12. At least this year.
Me too
@@Helibeaver yeah that single vs multi can be a bitch, but if current, and any pilot worth his ass should be, he/she should be able to handle his multi when one mill packs it in. Just remember the 6 P's,...Proper Planning Prevents Piss Poor Performance!
2 Motors are better than One , King air is better.
Stunning man! What a brilliant close up view :)
Thanks a lot!
I own the PC 12. I love this plane and design. It is extremely well built. I have upgraded avaionics, interior seats and had the engine upgraded and modified. Price, service and reliability all play in on this plane. The PC-12 is a better plane hands down.
But it's single engine 🙌
@@sttap7287 Yet maintains the same speed, burns less fuel, has less service issues and fires up every time without a delay. So why would you waste more money on a smaller set of inefficent engines. Sorry I will stick with the PC-12.
When you have to do a second segment climb after an engine fails. If you lose an engine at the featured airport on this channel... you are dead.
2 - 1 > 1 - 1
You can now get autothrottles installed now on the pc-12
I am drooling. Love the blue paint job.
Some absolutely outstanding clips of both these general av aircraft! As always, the backdrops were so pleasing to have paired with the action! Personally I prefer the Beechcraft! Liked!
Thanks a lot, I appreciate it! Love the King Air as well, it's hard to lose choosing between these two :-)
Spending my money? Pilatus. Someone else’s money? King Air.
My money Pliatus PC-12. Someone else's money? Pilatus PC-12....
@@Amayi1 I’m a little bias. Thousands of hours in KA and 0 in PC12. I’d like to get trained in them. I see a lot of them around and the contract day rate is pretty good.
Worked on the Beech King Air 78 to 80.Loved them then,Love them now.
Nice, that must have been interesting working on the King Air.
Fantastic video!
Thanks Matt!
The cost of ownership is often the deciding factor. When it is, the PC12 wins hands down.
The big Pilatus Pc 12 is not cheap to fly! That big turbine out front is more expensive than one assumes. You have to ask an FBO operator that has both aircraft and the truth, if they would tell you that operating costs are very close with the Beech being used to transport paying fares at night.
These aircraft are for millionaires or corporations anyway, turboprops are usually unaffordable to the common man. I'll just keep dreaming.
Marvin James, you're correct that the Pilatus PC 12 isn't cheap to fly, but it IS cheaper than the king air.
Yep Lego... just one penny would make what you say true all things being equal so to speak.
MessupFreq, a penny? it's not clear what you're trying to say.
Pilatus......less is more …..great plane!
More is better, the King Air beats them all.
@War.L _ did he delete his comment
"Is the PC-12 your favorite or is the King Air 200 your favorite?"
Yes
PC-12...reminds me of a WWII fighter that wants to fly and do battle.
The PC-12! Cheaper operating costs with one turboprop. The PC-12 is really a great plane!!!
Just love the King Airs sound !
The super wing size in PC12 make it look like little tiny Dreamliner. Very beautiful bird,
I agree, the PC-12 is a true beauty!
@@TheHDAviation yes the PC-12 NG with MT 5 blades prop nice
Awesome. Liked. Love General Aviation.Congrats on 15K subs.
Thanks a lot!
Welcome
Another relaxing video to watch, Loved flying in the Pilatus and I haven't flown in a King Air yet so I can't comment as far as flying in them but what I know for sure is great footage and am saddened to here about the losses of life. Like always pros and cons and people can argue all day long. Again thanks for the great footage and nice battle list. Have a Great week :)
Hopefully I'll be able to add a PC-12 to my flight list some day soon. Right now there's a Socata TBM700 parked at CZNL, first one I've ever seen and I'm really hoping to catch it when it takes off. Hope you make it up in a King Air real soon, and get some footage from the flight!
Love the PC-12!
same ;)
Apples and Oranges! They both met their design criteria with flying colors
Beautiful pieces of Machinery!
I love them both as well, two of my favourite turboprops.
Those are some awesome shots man!! Some of those PC12s are incredible looking!! Great work
Thanks a lot!
Love tail #C-FDLV, dark Smoke color & black stripes. Beautiful
The only way we can know the winner is going to have to be by head to head air combat. Lets get it on!
Thank you for that blindingly brilliant information.
Yep. Do a V1 cut.
Oh, the PC-12 doesn’t have a V1. I guess a Vr cut in its case.
Your right we need to do a dog fight
I vote: Pilatus!
Good choice!
Until you have an engine failure!
PC-12 hands down
I have extensive experience flying both. From 1978-1884 I was the Director of Training for FlightSafety’s King Air Division and taught the 200. I also flew it as a corporate pilot 1985-86. I am currently flying the PC-12NG professionally after 29 years with the airlines. I would choose the Pilatus hands down over the King Air 200. With the PT6 engine being ultra reliable, you no longer need 2 of them to be safe. My Pilatus is essentially a single engine King Air 200. Same cruise speed, big cabin, cruise at the same flight levels, but my PC-12NG has a huge cargo door that the King Air does not have. Also, I’m burning 500 lbs per hour which is less than both engines on the King Air plus I only have to maintain one turbine engine, not two.
I have around 400 hours on the kingair and about 50 on the pc12
The 12 was more advanced in technology but i still loved to fly the Kingair as a pure pilots aircraft
It is worth pointing out that since the Pilatus and TBM, (the first widely used turbo-prop singles to go into production) entered service in 1985 there have been 350 fatalities in the USA involving turbo-prop twins, such as the King Air, due to the failure of one engine.
In the same timespan there have been precisely ZERO fatalities for single engine turbo-props due to engine failure. Nil, Zip, Nada, express it how you like!
The issue is not so much the reliability of the engine, and the PT6 is phenomenally reliable, as the ability to control the beast with one side saying Go and the other saying Whoa!
Most failures occur, as has been rightly stated, on take-off where the engine is at greatest stress, in the majority of PC12 failures the aircraft gets high enough to turn back, you can't do that in a King Air. You need to do the right things NOW to get away with it in a King Air.
Don't get me wrong, the King Air is a great machine, but if I was spending either my own or corporate money, on balance the PC12 makes more sense in every way but one, and mid flight failures are sufficiently rare that they are hardly a factor.
I don't disagree with your point but I believe that engine failure due to ice injection caused a TBM700 to go down killing a family of 5 several years ago. I think it was in New Jersey. From what I remember, the pilot was new to the airplane, and flew through moderate ice without turning on the inertial separator. There is a RUclips video about it somewhere...
My cousin died on a business trip along with several other co workers in a King Air flying from Oklahoma to Orlando , Florida
Bob Shaw sorry for your loss
David Thank You very much.
There have been a few crashes in pilots due to engine failure
Wow, brilliant video mate!! Huge Like :)
Thanks a lot David!
Fantastic Video...fantastic Sound
Thanks a lot!
I never knew there were so many pilatus pc-12 aircraft flying into Nelson. Would you have any recommendations if I wanted to charter one to fly there from Calgary?
We used to get a lot of them passing through Nelson. Unfortunately the biggest operated that used to fly them here doesn't operate them any more (Air Sprint). I tried searching online, but I can't find any companies flying out of Calgary that charter the PC-12.
How much is the p factor on take off power for the pc12?
In the video you can see how much better the King Air climb out performance is vs the PC-12...very impressive...but my God the amount of money needed to buy and maintain a King Air is massive: prop overhauls: $15K each, hot section inspections: $50K each, engine overhauls: $350K each...yikes!!
Thats a flapless takeoff in the King air vs takeoff flap in the pc12. Once you get the pc12 cleaned up they can really climb!
I have time in both. I like the PC12 because, yes it is a single engine aircraft and simpler to operate than the Beech.
Marvin, for someone who has "time" in both airplanes why don't you elaborate the exact differences in both airplanes so the rest of the us have more knowledge rather than some basic comment like well the PC-12 is a single engine and simpler to fly.
The Beech has two requirments thave to be met versus one for the Pilatus PC 12. This assumes that the pilot has enough time in type. For instance the company that I worked for had a requirement of at least four thousand hours in that aircraft. Beech was the same and I have both type certificates. The Beech being a heavy twin also requires that the time required be a mixture of instrument as well as VFR. Most of the people I worked with have about twenty thousand hours or more in these airplanes. Instrument work was mandatory on both types. We finally put in a simulator, and you could understand how the original simulator was to me and others a bad joke. Today, they are Very Good!
While the PC-12 wins on speed & reliability, the King Air 200 looks amazing & is a more versatile aircraft. They are both AMAZING aircraft to fly.
Hannah Lammiman Dude, it’s my opinion. Chillz
How does your opinion affect versatility? What do you mean when you say it's "more" versatile?
Harvey Mushman haha, this is such a dead section.
It’s more versatile because you can get the contract that specifically mentions two engines due to the type of terrain or open water it flies over.
I wouldn't say the PC-12 wins on either speed or reliability, but a lower operating cost yes...
Both highly capable aircraft. I operate b200c aeromed, havent yet flown a pc12.
PC12 always
2 questions I'd like to have answered, please.
Which airport is this? I've seen a lot of Pilatus/King Air videos from here, and it's beautiful, except for the snow.
Am I correct that the King Air is not rated for single pilot operation?
These clips were all taken at CZNL in Nelson, British Columbia, Canada. Yup, definitely a lot of snow here in the winter!
I believe the King Air is rated for single pilot operation, though I am not sure about the specific regulations.
TheHDAviation Thank you very much.
The Pilatus is my fave, impressive performance and superior fuel economy.
I love the Pilatus as well, one of my favourites.
I don't know why but i would prefer the PC12!!! Great compilation mate!!!
Thanks for the vote, I love the PC-12 too.
PC 12 major advantage WC :)
Pilatus, Goldfinger's plane of choice. Beechcraft, a thing of twin engine beauty.
What airport is predominantly shown in the video? I see no reference to it anywhere. Seems like quite a short field.
These clips were filmed at CZNL in Nelson, British Columbia, Canada. It is a fairly short strip, 3100' long.
cool my two favorite turbo prop plane in one vid haha i like both of these aircraft.. but there is just something pure beauty with PC-12 which made it my top favorite between them.
My two favourites as well, it is indeed hard to choose a winner. I have to agree though, I find the PC-12 a little bit more appealing.
I recognize that airport. Nelson, BC, Canada.
It sure is!
If I were spending my $$$, it’d be the PC-12, if it was corporate $$$, it’d be an Embraer 300E
Good choices!
Great video
Thanks!
Today the PC-12 is the way to go. It's the same reason airlines are ditching 4 engine aircraft for two engine ones. The PC-12 has proved itself time and time again.
King Air for me, it's just a beautiful aircraft.
Love the King Air as well, one impressive turboprop!
Beech quality! Even simply by aesthetics, the most beautiful twin to my eyes.
The pc12 is the way to go imo
I'd go for the PC-12
Oliver Garcia same all the way
Hell yeah
2:25 17:54 B-U-T-T-E-R
Unfair comparison. I will always choose two engines over one!
So why does the pc 12 have a better crash record.
Both are excellent aircrafts but I like the PC-12 a lil bit more.
I think I like the PC-12 just a little bit more as well, one of my favourites. Thanks for watching!
Pc12 to me please!
Good choice!
Thanks for doing the very important comparison! I have flown both extensively and am currently flying the PC-12NG professionally. My vote goes to the Pilatus, no question.
Love that PC 12 noise, Beech 200 King Air is my second favourite plane! Pilates PC12, my third favourite.
And that airport is close to a mountain and a cliff side cabin!
What is the under-belly pod for on the King Air at 11:00?
It is a cargo pod.
And another King Air in the video clearly shows it has extended cowlings behind each engine that are another modification (kit) to increase luggage capacity.
Wow you’re sure we can climb outta here........KING AIR......Hold my beer 😂😂😁
Both have their advantages/disadvantages. Dual engine power/safety of the King Air is obvious, as is the simplicity and reduced operating costs of single engine PC12. Here in Western Australia the local Royal Flying Dr. service mainly now use the PC12 - although they still have a few King Airs around the country they've gone to PC12 for the above reasons. But I do know a couple of RFDS pilots here in WA who have had the odd near miss when engine failure has been a problem in the outback. Luckily its never resulted in a mishap, but I think I'd prefer the redundancy of two engines. Even though there's plenty of open country here its not something I'd wanna rely upon in an emergency.
Thanks very much for watching and for the input. All of the air ambulances here in British Columbia are King Air's (and some light jets too), probably due to the mountainous terrain and challenging weather conditions they face.
The PC-12 is a great aircraft. It's built around some of the same, reliable underpinnings as is the King Air (both rely on different versions of the P&W PT6A family of turbine engines). And with a single-engine, it has a lower cost of operation relative to the heavier King Air’s (250’s and 350’s), which I think is its true appeal for private owners.
But as reliable as it is, the PC-12 only has one engine. When a PC-12 has an engine failure, the pilot has few, if any options, especially at takeoff. When a King Air has an engine failure, the pilot has options. There is a reason why the heaviest King Air (350) falls under FAR 23 regulations (balanced field and one-engine inoperative take-off’s) whereas the PC-12 does not. And there is a reason why the King Air’s are allowed to conduct commercial flights over oceans whereas the PC-12 is restricted on how far away from land it can go (it has to be within gliding distance for commercial flights).
And for the self-appointed experts who will compare the total numbers of accidents of both aircraft and claim that single engine aircraft are “more safe,” some context is required:
1) 7,000 King Air have been built since the 1960’s with over 40 million flight hours logged. There have been only ~1,500 PC-12’s built since 1991. There are more King Air in service and they have been in service longer relative to the PC-12. Total number of accidents mean nothing; the accident rate per hours flown and aircraft produced are more relevant figures.
2) Not all twin-engine turboprop’s are the same. The King Air’s specifically have a well-proven safety record, especially considering the wide-spectrum of roles they fulfill and the demanding environments they operate in for NGO’s, private companies and national agencies and militaries. Some twin-engine aircraft have had more safety issues than others. The King Air is still considered a go-to brand of aircraft for workhorse duties.
I love them both .. Single engine and 2 engine..
Same here, it really is hard to choose a favourite.
Awesome video. Which airport ?
Thanks! It was filmed at CZNL in Nelson, British Columbia, Canada.
There was only one winner from this and it has to be the PC-12. Such a beautiful tiny business turboprop! Excellent video mate and congrats on hitting 15K subscribers, you so deserve it with all the fascinating and incredible videos you do! Liked for sure
Thanks so much, I really appreciate it! I love the PC-12 too, definitely one of my favourite looking aircraft.
Awesome stuff! PC-12 for me :)
Thanks Elliot! The PC-12 has my vote too.
The Cessna Denali will have Superior CABIN PRESSURIZATION
the Denali's Pressurization will be able to deliver a
Sea Level Cabin at 19,000'
6,130' Cabin at 31,000'
the PC-12's Pressurization delivers a
Sea Level Cabin at 13,100'
8,000' Cabin at 26,000'
that makes the Denali a more Comfortable Airplane to Fly in
Nothing better than the sound of twin engines
I also I am not a pilot but that chopper in the back ground is sweet, just saying motor on.
I'd like both of them please ( in blue ) thanks
Where was this filmed?
These clips were filmed at CZNL in Nelson, British Columbia, Canada.
Pilatus all the way, king air is awesome.
Bring back the Piper Cheyenne!
Top video
Thanks a lot!
what would be the cost benefit of each for routes up to 1500 km
Pc12 totally.
One engine means one outlet for fuel. Plus, with full tanks, the pc12 can travel that distance plus half way back.
That PC-12 is nice, but that King Air is my favorite
I love them both as well.
There's something about a Beechcraft.... They are so well built, they feel like I imagine a Rolls Royce would feel, solid & dependable not to mention expensive.
TBM 940 would be my choice. Then PC12 then King Air but I would be happy with any of them or even a 182 for now :D
What's gotten clearer in the last two decades is that, in this class, the svelte Swiss knife cargo king reigns supreme.
*Not for long. The Cessna Denali is on its way*
I wonder about that. In fact, the main competition for the current PC12 is ''2nd hand PC12s''
Despite some inferences, I don't work for Pilatus, but I have been involved in acquiring new aircraft.
The Denali looks like a nice aircraft, but does it offer more to a PC12 operator than a PC12 does?
It is only as fast, not faster, it has slightly shorter range (although you don't really use it all in most situations), it has only the same passenger capacity in Exec configuration and it does not have the best feature of a PC 12, the trailing link undercarriage, which is virtually unbreakable!
The Denali uses a new and as yet unproven engine, which is probably excellent. But we already know that the PT6 IS excellent and, of course there is the matter of two parts inventories, two training systems and additional costs of operating a mixed fleet. Given the choice of two very similar aircraft, fleet operators usually go with what they have. If it ain't broke, don't fix it.
Of course, the Denali is built by Cessna, that's a heritage you can't argue with, but they are starting a long way behind the 8 ball
The PT6 is a pretty old design and needs some competition to bring prices down.
Cessna support is likely going to be a lot better.
You could say that Cessna came from behind with the Caravan vs the PC-6 or the Citation vs the Lear... but look who’s in the lead?
Gonna be the King Air for me.
Nice
KA is da heat!! Is that Nelson BC at the beginning?
Yup, that's Nelson at the beginning.
Thanks. I've really taken to that little town. And those beautiful KAs!!
I love my C130's... have a fleet of them and cost is no object - the government manages, fuels, and repairs them for me!!
I Love The 5 Blade Pilatus PC12
Same here, the 5-blades look awesome.
I Love The 4 Bladed Pilatus PC 12
PC12 is an amazing machine.
Two king airs down in a week most likely from loss of critical engine. How many PC12 fatalities?
1) Theres a lot more King Airs than PC-12s. When that A90 that crashed in Hawaii was made, Pilatus was just starting to make its first unpressurized single engine turboprop PC-6. There’s only about 1600 PC-12s vs over 7000 King Airs. PC-12s have about 6 million hours on the fleet. King Airs have over *60 million!*
2) The two operations that crashed the King Air represent extremely high risk factors. One is a low time pilot flying an old and likely poorly maintained aircraft (which had already suffered an accident) in a skydive operation where no PC-12s are old enough and cheap enough to participate. The other was owner flown by an elderly pilot with minimal experience on the aircraft, and a second pilot with minimal experience.
PC12 hands down
Good choice!
I love em Both
Same here!
That's a tough one, I like both of these aircraft. I've never had the opportunity to fly in the PC-12; however, I have flown in several 200's. While the 200 appears to have a shorter field TO distance, I can't help but like the lines on the PC-12.
You can't go wrong, with PC 12.swiss, make their planes, like their watches, with precision. It would be only fitting to make an add, having Breitling watch, and Pilatus together. Now that's a thought!
easy to fly PC 12?
I'd like to point out that there have been a few PC-12 Fatalities, 75 0n record. My choice is going to be the Beechcraft King Air and I like all the King Air Varients from the C90 to the 350i. I am a virtual pilot and own the C90 GTx, 350i and the PC-12. Do you know which one collects dust in my virtual hangar, thats right the PC-12. My two king Air's get the most hours out of all aircraft combined in two different simulators. Enjoyed the video, thanks for sharing it with us, maybe next time make it an equal fight twin against twin engines or single.
Thanks for the comment! Do you have any specific comparisons you'd like to see? I can try to make one in the future.
They are both awesome aircraft...They use the same engine? Nice vid!
I love them both as well. Yup, both powered by the PT6.
True they both use Pratt and Whitney PT-6 engines, but the varients are very different. The Beechcraft Kingair 200 uses 2 P&W PT6A-42 while the Pilatus PC-12 uses PT6E-67XP.
@@Amayi1 thanks! Appreciate the info....
18:00 one hell of a landed
17:50 one hell of a landing! Oops!
Yes that was beautiful
I was thinking the same thing. That pilot landed on clouds.
This is a beautiful airport. Where is this?
These clips were all filmed at CZNL in Nelson, British Columbia, Canada.
PC-12!!!
Great choice!
Pilatus the Best air plane
One of my favourites.
Who wants a Beechcraft if he can have a Pilatus?
Someone who likes to get to an airport if their engine quits. Don't get me wrong, I love the PC-12 and it's room and efficiency from only having one engine... but here in the BC rocks I like my King Air 350 and the gobs of power it has even single engine.
If I could afford it, I'd take the King Air or better yet the PC-24.
Me :)
@@Bartonovich52 yes but you also have to consider what would happen to an inexperienced pilot.
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Gotta love both. I wonder how they do under the same atmospheric conditions loaded with the same payload and same range fuel. Which can take off shorter and land shorter ? approach speeds ?
Which of these aircraft have the faster speed
They are quite similar, I think the King Air 200 has a slightly higher max cruise speed.
How much its price? In USD
King Is King! Love Nelson and the Heli-sking is to die for!
Love the King as well. The heli-skiing is in full-swing now, I've been seeing lots of heli action these past few weeks.
Long live the King!
Still one of my favourite turboprops.
@@TheHDAviation second only to the Cheyenne LS400, for me.
Depends on your mission profile and your geographical location, over open water or mountains IMC, King Air all the way, over someplace with lots flat land and cities, the PC12 would be fine. If you're curious sometime, just read thru all the 350+ Cessna Caravan accidents since 1984 on the Aviation Safety Network, I have and you'll find no fewer than 61 engine failures, which isn't exactly a negligible percentage. Just remember this aviation fans, all aircraft power plants are designed, built and maintained by men, it's impossible for any of them to be 100 percent reliable.
No contest, safety wise the Beech is a clear winner. I've got thousands of hrs on the Beech & when that job finished the Co said I could get a job flying the PC..........I left & lived to tell the story!