I just watched a different video where the owner took out the carbon filters and the car on the dyno and picked up 16 rwhp and 17 lbs.-ft of torque across the entire curve. Seen another video where 12 rwhp was picked up &13 torque. So the 5 rwhp that you are claiming was from an earlier video like 3 months ago. I have seen multiple videos now where the picked horsepower is anywhere from 12 -16 rwhp and torque 12-17!!!! Only other video that cut out the plastic triangle piece was Middleton Ford guys up In Wisconsin who were the first to do it. Great video!!! Thanks for sharing‼️👍👊💪😎❤️🇺🇸✝️
Thanks for the video. I'm still saving for the Mustang. Probably still need to save 2.5 more years, but I'm watching video's so I already know how it works and what to do. Subscribed.
The white clips can also be released by just pushing in on the same lock tab, it spreads the tabs so they will clear the barb on the fitting. That's how I've always done it, although removing the retainer entirely works too I suppose lol. Also I'm pretty sure the MAF sensor is keyed a certain way to prevent installation in the wrong direction
I tried pushing the locking tab in and it fought me jumping the lip on the barb so I just pushed the clip out, maybe others wont have as much trouble. Honestly I didn’t try to spin the MAF, but it looks symmetrical - at least people know to pay attention to orientation now lol.
@MurphysLawGarage I figured it out, the holes were offset on the s550 for the maf, but on these cars it wouldn't be so they don't have to manufacture a different part for each side of the dual intake, they can use the same one and just flip it. Thus the directional arrow. So you're right to point it out here. As for the clip, I believe it. Takes a lot of force to pull it off with my method. Yours is probably better especially after many years and heat cycles
It's worth literally 1 HP.... LMR just did a dyno video on this, those carbon filters also control the drivability by metering proper air control to both mass air sensors, it's not worth tampering with... there are two giant throttle bodies with ram air which is certainly more airflow than you could have ever gotten with the one throttle body. Also I would love to know the price of those things if you ever had to replace them down the road, probably a arm and a leg.. LOL
The reason ford went dual intake was to allow them to install the carbon traps and still achieve the proper cfm needed to make HP and be emissions compliant. Though the carbon traps restrict flow the motor does recieve enough cfm to make HP. What the carbon traps actually do that harms hp potential is generate turbulence in the air stream. When you force air to tumble as it inters the intake manifold it gets “sticky” and slows down as it touches the plenum walls. Though the air is present its moving slowly and tumbling restricting how much air can squeeze through the valves in the window they are open. Thats how the carbon traps hurt hp and thats also why its hard to dyno - more positive pressure on the intakes from driving at speed and colder/denser air will mask the problem. Put the car on the dyno, get it hot and not have enough blower to imitate the positive pressure on the nose and you will negate the benefit of removing them = no hp gains shown. The dynos that show hp gains? It was cold and they have great blowers. The MAF’s are only used for IAT readings on the S650, not for tuning. The car in 100+ passes down the track consistently picked up 1mph in the data which is more like a 20-25hp gain.
@@MurphysLawGaragewhat you are describing is no different than the throttle body spacer argument that has been debunked years ago. Even removing the air box and installing an all new intake system, without the carbon shit, doesn’t add horsepower AT ALL without a tune
I just took the filters off and pulled them out with everything plugged in and the tubes still on the throttle body. Took 5mins. Bro! I'm in La too! Hammond here
Great content, thanks ! I was contemplating getting the K&N Typhoon CAI, but this does pretty much the same. As for warranty, I’d say why another manufacturer CAI would be approved, but removing the carbon traps bd problematic ?🤷🏻♂️
I have a paranoid question. So I took out my carbon traps today. But I left the MAF sensors intact when i did it. I definitely bumped into them with my hand a couple times. My question is, if the MAF sensors got damaged, would they automatically kick on the check engine light? Or no? Mine didnt kick on, and the car seems to be running fine, but Im just curious what you think. My concern was when I first drove it, i put it in drag mode. At low speed, the shift from first to second felt a little odd. It always lurches forward in that mode, but it just felt different. But after driving for a while, it felt fine. Im just a little paranoid now.
@MurphysLawGarage Thanks for the reply. Also, since you did this to yours a while ago, would you still recommend cutting out the plastic Y inserts? I am hesitant to do that, but I saw you explain in another comment how they make the air sticky and screw with the air flow. I want to get the most that I can out of this little mod. If that means cutting out those plastic Y inserts, I'll have to just do that. What's your opinion? Thanks
anyone knows what the EU spect and what Ford have done to them to reduce the power to 453hp . I check underneath the Dark Horse the same two cat with resonator I delete with Hipe . But I feel the sound still not like US spect , I need louder
@@MurphysLawGarage I don't think this is true. European version also have GPF filter in the exhaust system: "It's due to EU/UK market cars requiring a GPF. It restricts the exhaust to reduce emissions and as a side-effect reduces power."... also the sound is different and no so loud. So, it is not only the software and I think it will be tricky to get US HP with simple tune and without void the warranty.
You can remove the air straightener without damage. You just have to remember that it has an alignment notch so it will only go in one way. Then you can pull the carbon filter out by the small end first and essentially unscrew it without mangling the plastic. Your way is just unnecessarily destructive. Wow😮…..
The plastic that holds it in there is not an air straightener and also a restriction. The air straightener is ahead of the MAF sensors and was not damaged. With more than 100 passes down the track and the stock/hard tire 1/4 mile record owned by this car I’m not inclined to value that opinion 😉
Yes, if something went wrong all the way to the point of combustion, and even further if the argument was logical. Put it back in before you go to the dealership. as long as you’re not throwing a code in memory for pulling them out, you should be just fine. Sorry buddy it doesn’t just void the intake tube. That’s not how the # Warranty law works. Read it again. Look that logic would work with say an after market spoiler. And the deck lid gets damaged. When you tune, and do anything above the Cadillac converters, it could very well void your warranty on the engine. So the safe rule would be, anything below the air intake filter, and above the cats. This still allows you to upgrade your exhaust and intake. Don’t confuse this with altering a Ford part. Last, but not least if your vehicles gonna go in for services on the engine, or you’re going to make a warranty claim return the vehicle to stock, make sure there’s no codes that allude to aftermarket parts.
I seen a video recently and with the carbon filters removed and K&N filters put in the car had the exact same hp on a dyno. They ran it before and after removing the traps and putting K&N filters in. So your wasting your time just leave it alone unless u want a whistle noise like he said 🤣🤣🤣
The car consistently picked up .5mph in the 1/4mile after removing them in my testing with slips to prove it and American Muscle recorded +20hp average “under the curve” on their dyno.
Proven with 50+ passes down a track before and after. +1mph and +1 tenth in the quarter mile. (Which suggests closer to 25hp) Real data, not supposition, and you can even view most of the before/after passes right here in the playlist.
Negative, +1mph trap speed averaged across 50+ passes in testing at the track. At my car’s weight, thats a 15-20hp real world increase, regardless of what any dyno says.
It resulted in +1mph trap speed averaged across over 50 passes down the track. At my car’s weight that is +15-20hp. A dyno doesn’t tell the full story here, trap speed doesn’t lie.
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I just watched a different video where the owner took out the carbon filters and the car on the dyno and picked up 16 rwhp and 17 lbs.-ft of torque across the entire curve. Seen another video where 12 rwhp was picked up &13 torque. So the 5 rwhp that you are claiming was from an earlier video like 3 months ago. I have seen multiple videos now where the picked horsepower is anywhere from 12 -16 rwhp and torque 12-17!!!! Only other video that cut out the plastic triangle piece was Middleton Ford guys up In Wisconsin who were the first to do it. Great video!!! Thanks for sharing‼️👍👊💪😎❤️🇺🇸✝️
You're right, we have much better data now, it's not worth a ton of peak power, but produced a tremendous amount of "under the curve" improvement.
Thanks for the video. I'm still saving for the Mustang. Probably still need to save 2.5 more years, but I'm watching video's so I already know how it works and what to do. Subscribed.
Thanks, good luck. Let us know once you got it!
Thank you for the video. Especially the explanation about the clips and connectors.
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Thanks for this video! I just removed mine and DAMN I'm telling you the car is quicker.
It sure is!
Probably think the car is faster after an oil change too huh ?? LOL!!
Do your own testing, stop being a troll or you will be banned from comments.
The white clips can also be released by just pushing in on the same lock tab, it spreads the tabs so they will clear the barb on the fitting. That's how I've always done it, although removing the retainer entirely works too I suppose lol. Also I'm pretty sure the MAF sensor is keyed a certain way to prevent installation in the wrong direction
I tried pushing the locking tab in and it fought me jumping the lip on the barb so I just pushed the clip out, maybe others wont have as much trouble. Honestly I didn’t try to spin the MAF, but it looks symmetrical - at least people know to pay attention to orientation now lol.
@MurphysLawGarage I figured it out, the holes were offset on the s550 for the maf, but on these cars it wouldn't be so they don't have to manufacture a different part for each side of the dual intake, they can use the same one and just flip it. Thus the directional arrow. So you're right to point it out here. As for the clip, I believe it. Takes a lot of force to pull it off with my method. Yours is probably better especially after many years and heat cycles
Will this mod void the warranty ?
@markjackson4988 no, nobody cares. It's technically illegal and places like California could ref you for it but it's extremely unlikely.
@markjackson4988 No
I just sold my base 21 GT, that’s the way to go if you want to customize your car.
No sense in paying for parts I’m going to remove or replace.
It's worth literally 1 HP.... LMR just did a dyno video on this, those carbon filters also control the drivability by metering proper air control to both mass air sensors, it's not worth tampering with... there are two giant throttle bodies with ram air which is certainly more airflow than you could have ever gotten with the one throttle body. Also I would love to know the price of those things if you ever had to replace them down the road, probably a arm and a leg.. LOL
The reason ford went dual intake was to allow them to install the carbon traps and still achieve the proper cfm needed to make HP and be emissions compliant. Though the carbon traps restrict flow the motor does recieve enough cfm to make HP. What the carbon traps actually do that harms hp potential is generate turbulence in the air stream. When you force air to tumble as it inters the intake manifold it gets “sticky” and slows down as it touches the plenum walls. Though the air is present its moving slowly and tumbling restricting how much air can squeeze through the valves in the window they are open. Thats how the carbon traps hurt hp and thats also why its hard to dyno - more positive pressure on the intakes from driving at speed and colder/denser air will mask the problem. Put the car on the dyno, get it hot and not have enough blower to imitate the positive pressure on the nose and you will negate the benefit of removing them = no hp gains shown. The dynos that show hp gains? It was cold and they have great blowers.
The MAF’s are only used for IAT readings on the S650, not for tuning. The car in 100+ passes down the track consistently picked up 1mph in the data which is more like a 20-25hp gain.
@MurphysLawGarage I guess you know more than Ford, you're a real internet genius ,1 HP, no matter how much baseless nonsense you write.
@SHADOWBLACKs650 if you don’t understand why either is possible, I have nothing else to write - pleeb.
@@MurphysLawGaragewhat you are describing is no different than the throttle body spacer argument that has been debunked years ago. Even removing the air box and installing an all new intake system, without the carbon shit, doesn’t add horsepower AT ALL without a tune
@ThroatMcGoat wrong.
I just took the filters off and pulled them out with everything plugged in and the tubes still on the throttle body. Took 5mins. Bro! I'm in La too! Hammond here
That wouldn’t make for good video, but its fine if you ensure nothing stayed in the tube. Houma here.
@@MurphysLawGarage Sweet. Yea, she looked clean after.
Check the whole S650 playlist out. The car is now a 9’s Whippled monster.
@@MurphysLawGarage Man, I saw! That's awesome!
Great content, thanks !
I was contemplating getting the K&N Typhoon CAI, but this does pretty much the same.
As for warranty, I’d say why another manufacturer CAI would be approved, but removing the carbon traps bd problematic ?🤷🏻♂️
Right, it would be treated the same. Consider doing the ram air mod too. Its in my s650 playlist!
Oh I did see it too, gotta see if the Dremel I have can take it ;)
Definitely worth it as well IMO. Thanks ;)
Np
Just did mine yesterday, but i left the plastic Ys in on one side and accidentally snapped the second one.
Shouldnt make a difference should it?
Take the y’s out and leave the H’s - wont hurt
@MurphysLawGarage alright cool. Leaving the H in but will taking the Ys out make a dofference?
@shapesii dont take the H’s out as they are air straighteners for the MAFS
I have a paranoid question. So I took out my carbon traps today. But I left the MAF sensors intact when i did it. I definitely bumped into them with my hand a couple times. My question is, if the MAF sensors got damaged, would they automatically kick on the check engine light? Or no? Mine didnt kick on, and the car seems to be running fine, but Im just curious what you think. My concern was when I first drove it, i put it in drag mode. At low speed, the shift from first to second felt a little odd. It always lurches forward in that mode, but it just felt different. But after driving for a while, it felt fine. Im just a little paranoid now.
Its would have issues immediately and throw a check engine light. It’s normal for drag mode to shift harshly.
@MurphysLawGarage Thanks for the reply. Also, since you did this to yours a while ago, would you still recommend cutting out the plastic Y inserts? I am hesitant to do that, but I saw you explain in another comment how they make the air sticky and screw with the air flow. I want to get the most that I can out of this little mod. If that means cutting out those plastic Y inserts, I'll have to just do that. What's your opinion? Thanks
@jamdwhi yes, remove the Y’s and keep the H’s
@MurphysLawGarage Alright. I'm convinced now lol. Thanks for the advice!! I appreciate it.
@jamdwhi no problem
Does this void your warranty?
***In the US*** Yes, on the intake tube itself, but nothing else - thats my understanding of the Magnuson-Moss Law.
Throw on the K&N filters and two stickers and you’ll add another 15hp
I prefer my filters dry and made by whipple.
Lol
🤣🤣🤣
You can move those are veins they only go in one way
Mine looked solid cast in and wouldn’t budge.
anyone knows what the EU spect and what Ford have done to them to reduce the power to 453hp . I check underneath the Dark Horse the same two cat with resonator I delete with Hipe . But I feel the sound still not like US spect , I need louder
The exhaust is the same - they are mechanically the same. All Ford did was detune them in the PCM. Put an axle back on it.
Ok that sound good but what you mean with put an axle back ?
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@@MurphysLawGarage I don't think this is true. European version also have GPF filter in the exhaust system: "It's due to EU/UK market cars requiring a GPF. It restricts the exhaust to reduce emissions and as a side-effect reduces power."... also the sound is different and no so loud. So, it is not only the software and I think it will be tricky to get US HP with simple tune and without void the warranty.
You forgot to reconnect a hose on the dr8ver side intake.
Movie magic - it happened while you weren’t looking.
Lol
You can remove the air straightener without damage. You just have to remember that it has an alignment notch so it will only go in one way. Then you can pull the carbon filter out by the small end first and essentially unscrew it without mangling the plastic. Your way is just unnecessarily destructive. Wow😮…..
The plastic that holds it in there is not an air straightener and also a restriction. The air straightener is ahead of the MAF sensors and was not damaged. With more than 100 passes down the track and the stock/hard tire 1/4 mile record owned by this car I’m not inclined to value that opinion 😉
Needs meaty tires with some weight reduction 😊
It’s been 11.59 @ 120mph with a 1.8s 60’ full weight on those teeny tires! Check out the entire S650 playlist.
Does anyone know if this voids any warranties?
Only for the intake tube itself, at least thats how warranty laws in America treat it. This also may not be legal in your state for emissions.
Thanks for the reply man. Probably going to do this to mine tomorrow.
You’re very welcome, goodluck!
Depending on what’s wrong with your engine You can get a dealership that blames it on your mod
Yes, if something went wrong all the way to the point of combustion, and even further if the argument was logical.
Put it back in before you go to the dealership. as long as you’re not throwing a code in memory for pulling them out, you should be just fine. Sorry buddy it doesn’t just void the intake tube. That’s not how the # Warranty law works. Read it again.
Look that logic would work with say an after market spoiler. And the deck lid gets damaged.
When you tune, and do anything above the Cadillac converters, it could very well void your warranty on the engine.
So the safe rule would be, anything below the air intake filter, and above the cats. This still allows you to upgrade your exhaust and intake. Don’t confuse this with altering a Ford part.
Last, but not least if your vehicles gonna go in for services on the engine, or you’re going to make a warranty claim return the vehicle to stock, make sure there’s no codes that allude to aftermarket parts.
I seen a video recently and with the carbon filters removed and K&N filters put in the car had the exact same hp on a dyno. They ran it before and after removing the traps and putting K&N filters in. So your wasting your time just leave it alone unless u want a whistle noise like he said 🤣🤣🤣
The car consistently picked up .5mph in the 1/4mile after removing them in my testing with slips to prove it and American Muscle recorded +20hp average “under the curve” on their dyno.
20 hp, come on. These do absolutely nothing for horsepower.
Proven with 50+ passes down a track before and after. +1mph and +1 tenth in the quarter mile. (Which suggests closer to 25hp) Real data, not supposition, and you can even view most of the before/after passes right here in the playlist.
Or it didn't do anything
+1mph consistently at the track averaged across ~50 passes. It picked up HP.
5 whp = 15 crank hp. Only in the moon😂😂
Except that it was backed up by data on the next track day. +1mph in the 1/4mile suggests closer to 20chp. Maybe you should watch follow up videos 😘
It's between 1and 3hp.. MAX!!. Seen it on 12 dyno runs on 4 different s650s. Nowhere near double digits. It's not a thing.
Negative, +1mph trap speed averaged across 50+ passes in testing at the track. At my car’s weight, thats a 15-20hp real world increase, regardless of what any dyno says.
Removing the carbon traps adds no horsepower but voids the warranty
Wrong and wrong.
So seeing as it makes virtually "NO" difference and actually performs worse - why take them out - 🙄
It resulted in +1mph trap speed averaged across over 50 passes down the track. At my car’s weight that is +15-20hp. A dyno doesn’t tell the full story here, trap speed doesn’t lie.
You'll never pass emissions testing like that unfortunately, and who uses a mustang offroad, I mean really.
No emissions out here, but even then this mod is invisible to testing - and FYI, track use is off-road.