I live in Switzerland in front of 12'000ft tall Mountains. I see the shadow at sunset going from bottom up. Then the mountain is in shadow, but the plane flying over it at 30'000ft is still in the light of the sun. How should that work on a flat earth?
Well see.. If the relatively low hanging sun goes far enough west above a flat earth then eventually it goes past and behind something even taller than your 12k ft mountains. Namely it goes behind the himalayas (with an average height of 20k ft) and that cuts off the light to your mountains, while it can still shine on the plane above. Check mate. ;)
@@daemn42 nice try. But a real Flerf would know that the sun goes behind the antarctic great ice wall . The light on the plane is coming from the moon that is the reason why it is such cold outside the plane as the moon light has a cooling effect. Really basic Flerf physics knowledge, i swear it is not that hard.
It goes both ways. But the real reason for this conversation is the CIA wants people divided, so we're easier to control. What part of it you choose to ignore?
Makes me wonder how many there are that would have already switched their position only if they had kept their mouth shut and hadn't told anyone. I bet a good percentage of them just refuse to admit they are wrong and refuse to deal with the monumental embarrassment and humiliation. I'm definitely not a huge fan of being wrong either lol but such is the price of intellectual honesty sometimes.
Flat Brainers have a personality type that has not yet been defined as it is a new one that has evolved. These ppl cant ever be wrong and unwilling to believe math facts that are used to predict solar events and they are not capable of accepting they are wrong. This is the same personality of the Sovereign Citizen and Auditor groups. They are so confident they know the laws they will tell a Judge "let me educate you.... blah blah." They will tell police officers "I pay your salary. You are dismissed." When 96% of them are jobless felons. They have a mix of Dunning Kruger syndrome, narcissism and a hyper social disorder that craves attention and they do not ever feel embarrassment. They see no issue with shoving a camera in someones face and then tell them "its my right to film you tyrants" and not realize their behavior is how a tyrant actually behaves. Nothing will stop them. They think they know how to read court cases and could be in Nebraska and then cite a state court case from Florida and they will say "such and such case 123.5b says the court determined blag blah" even though it may seem like it says that you have to read the first paragraph because that usually tells you a specifc word means ______ only in reference to this case. They will never stop unless the FBI classifies them as domestic terrorists, which they should be, and starts arresting them and sending them for a minimum 10yr sentence. Then they may stop.
@@n8ture690 That would matter if it was about the specific fact. But this is about them being smarter than all the children who were able to pay attention in school. That is why they could not keep their mouth shut. This is also why they have to plaster their opinion all over the web, under every post showing space on social media and under every YT video. It is all about them trying to be smarter than they are to somehow keep up a narrative that the world does them injustice when not offering what they feel entitled to. This is also why those conspiracy theories pile up and they need more and more of them, like an addiction.
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Flerf: The Earth is obviously flat because it looks flat. Trust your senses. Glober: The sun clearly goes right below the horizon, which proves it isn't flying above a flat Earth. Flerf: Nuh-uh. That's just an illusion. You can't trust your senses.
@AdamSmart-w4x Yes, and of course after spending a few millions in editing software, noone watched it to double check and noone thought of removing it. Way to go sherlock.
Oh no, you said the word... you said "the plane has been cruising level for about an hour and continued to fly level for about an hour afterward". Now the flat earthers will say "ahaaa! You said the plane was flying level for about two hours, but that is impossible on a globe because they have to dip a bit to account for curvature! so earth flat!! check mate" and ignore every other explanation you gave on the video
That's what makes a lot of discussions nowadays difficult, because if you spell it all out carefully in the initial post to make it "idiot proof" then people complain that it's too long and wordy. But if you don't then you have to fight off the trolls that look for any phrase that they can twist to put you on the defensive. You can try and ignore them, but unfortunately if left unchallenged they can confuse some of the other casual readers/viewers who are easily influenced.
You can remain parallel to the surface of a spherical object by following the curve around, meaning that you are level with the surface... If you remain ~10,000 feet above sea level in flight you are following the curve.
Lol or that they were on the vomit comet, with LCD screens for windows. Completely ignoring the fact the vomit comet can only sustain its microgravity for 30 seconds
Perhaps the sensation of constant fall would make an impression on them and that they have to work hard to put their feet on "the floor" or not being able to keep their legs straight in their sleeping bag and not being able to tell which way is up and which is down. Maybe?
It is difficult to win an argument with an intelligent person. It's impossible to win an argument with idiots. I cannot believe this is a topic that's still being discussed 🤦♂️🤦♂️🤦♂️ Good on ya, fighting the good fight 😂
Ever since WW1, artillery gunners learned to factor in earth's curvature into their firing solutions at long distance, so they actually hit their target... I guess Flerfers think that's just dedication to the ruse played on mankind. _For some reason._
@@h.a.9880 They literally have to be trying to be this clueless. I'm not entirely convinced that the real flat earth conspiracy is that they all know it's a joke and are playing us for fools 😂😂😂
@@h.a.9880 the reason most often given for why literally every single: government official, scientist, anyone with a boat, anyone flying planes and probably a fuck ton more professions and random people that i just can't think of are all lying about the shape of the earth is that there's other lands outside of the "ice ring" and the government wants to keep it for themselves for resources and whatnot. Now, i really want to ask, why the fuck couldn't they be angry at the government for actually good reasons like, for the USA, inflation, not having free healthcare, the tax system being the way it is just to benefit tax companies' pockets, the fact that the education system is fucked, the whole gun issue, social issues regarding shit like roe v wade, healthcare for trans folks etc. No, they have to make up a flat earth conspiracy just to make up something to be mad at the government, absolutely brilliant. (i know the reason is that most flat earthers are QANON cultists and by proxy also massive bigots but it's still crazy)
@@h.a.9880 Modern artillery guns often have an inertial guidance unit, which not only is more precise than GPS and provides orientation in addition to location, but also can't be jammed. It uses intersecting laser beams to detect acceleration, which means it must account for the unit's altitude and latitude, the exact shape of the Earth, its rotation ("A... 15 degree per hour drift"), and tidal effects from the moon and sun. These units would not work as they do on a flat Earth. But flerfs would probably just claim the IGU manufacturers are all shills.
@@wizardsuth GPS would not work without satellites either. I also like to point out that submarines navigate using gravity. They have sensors that register the exact force of gravity, and depending on how it increases or decreases, they can tell where they are. This wouldn't work on a flat earth, cause the force of gravity would have to be constant all over the world in that model.
"... as obviously sunlight is not going to be passing through the metal skin of a plane". Oh Dave, considering the kind of absurd claims a flerfer does. do you think this one is out of the question? You give them too much credit :)
Ahh, but Scotty introduced transparent aluminum to this world in the 80's. Planes are built of aluminum. Ipso facto, planes must be transparent. (Interestingly, aluminum oxynitride itself was patented in 1980, so there is a high degree of likelihood that one of the writers for ST4 had seen a publication on the material.)
So excited to see a photo I took as a little push against the disinformation of flat earth and debunk this primitive concept. Thanks for the feature Dave
Just for reference, in the flight deck of those aircraft it is still daylight, as a pilot I am very often flying in daylight with street lights visible on the ground below.
Beyond the point of disproving flat earth, that’s really cool. I remember on a flight years ago we kept being pursued by the sunrise. It would happen, then become dark again. Multiple time. Very cool
Hey Dave! Just wanted to say I've seen my fair share of "debunker" content and out of all creators, your content is the best in my opinion. Your arguments are extremely well thought out and empirically supported, your demonstrations are superb, and your explanations of photography and optical observations are first-class. I also appreciate the patience and respect you show to the people who you debunk, regardless of how asinine their arguments may be. Doubtless this content takes significant time and effort to create, it's definitely appreciated!
@astruxium dave is a disinformation actor. artic has 4 clear seasons Antarctica does not. summer solstice the sun does not dissapear over the horizon for weeks on end. at antartica during summer solstice the sun disappears for 2 months. until the sun slowly moves away from the artic circle can Antarctica see sunlight. if there was a 23 degree tilt Antarctica would also get 24 7 sun this does not happen. proven multiple ways. Antarctica average temperature-57 degree f a record low of -135.8 f artic average temperature 4 degrees. artic gets a decent summer snow melts. this does not happen in Antarctica. kerguelen islands at 49 degrees south longitude has just 18 species of plants. Iceland 65 degrees latitude. 16 degrees closer to the equator than the kerguelen islands yet has 870 spices of plants. in the north people can live as high as the 79th parallel in the south noone can live any lower than the 56th parallel 50 countries have an agreement noone can go below the 56th parallel. except on over priced flights. and never during winter solstice.this video shows sunlight at artic and Antarctica simeltanoiusly. impossible on a round earth. ruclips.net/video/Hs3Xtb3Rr3Q/видео.html England has 10 PM summers. new Zealand has the shortest day
You've already be proven wrong hundreds of times. artic has 4 clear seasons Antarctica does not. summer solstice the sun does not dissapear over the horizon for weeks on end. at antartica during summer solstice the sun disappears for 2 months. until the sun slowly moves away from the artic circle can Antarctica see sunlight. if there was a 23 degree tilt Antarctica would also get 24 7 sun this does not happen. proven multiple ways. Antarctica average temperature-57 degree f a record low of -135.8 f artic average temperature 4 degrees. artic gets a decent summer snow melts. this does not happen in Antarctica. kerguelen islands at 49 degrees south longitude has just 18 species of plants. Iceland 65 degrees latitude. 16 degrees closer to the equator than the kerguelen islands yet has 870 spices of plants. in the north people can live as high as the 79th parallel in the south noone can live any lower than the 56th parallel 50 countries have an agreement noone can go below the 56th parallel. except on over priced flights. and never during winter solstice.this video shows sunlight at artic and Antarctica simeltanoiusly. impossible on a round earth. ruclips.net/video/Hs3Xtb3Rr3Q/видео.html England has 10 PM summers. new Zealand has the shortest day You keep getting caught out lying and pushing your disinformation agenda.
They just claim it due to perspective and refraction. They explain most of their nonsense theories using those 2 words. Another 2 words they use to explain gravity is bouyancy and density.
Sorry to be the pedant, but logically most people would travel on a return ticket, meaning both outbound and inbound travel would be all on the same ticket (number). Two flights, one ticket. But I agree, we know what Dave was going for and it was still amusing.
As a Airline Pilot it is fairly common for me to depart towards the west, just after sunset, to observe ( a large portion of ) the sun rise above the horizon during a moderate climb rate , then to see the sun set below the horizon again as I reach cruising altitude. ( During that short time the plane has only traveled a short horizontal distance. ) Have never had a flat earther able to explain that observation. Lol…
Folks can recreate it with a drone, and see a double sunset by zooming up right after the first one -- with no horizontal component to the flight at all!
@@jeffbeck8993- I’ve never met any FE pilots, and I have never been asked about it either, which is a shame. Saying that it’s probably a good thing because I probably would launch into a bit of a triad against them, then get disciplined for un-gentlemanly behaviour by my chief pilot.
Sometimes they also back up their nuh uhs with a very poor understanding of science or math, which, if applied consistently, would result in calculations being wrong and inventions never happening. They also cannot produce a single working model of their hypothesis, so it is an untestable hypothesis.
The most powerful argument ever concocted by man. Completely irrefutable. Try arguing with a 4 year old using this tactic. It is an impenetrable defense.
I remember as a kid around 1979/80 I was on my way back to the UK from Florida and The pilot piped up on the intercom telling everyone to open the window blinds and explained that because of the time, heading and altitude everyone in the right of the plane look out and you can see the Sun and everyone on the left was still in darkness and it was due to those factors and the curve of the Earth,
a sane person would know that this can only happen on a globe. but flerfs think light magically stops as to give the appearance it´s a globe. it also moves in an absolute bizarre way that makes no sense at all and disregards all of known physics.
Yes; you have been a Glober since the early 70's. We're all so proud. CURVE of the earth; yes. The CURVE you have neither seen, nor measured; ever. THAT curve; believe in it. You not dumb; an airPLANE pilot told you so. Fuh fuh fuh. Just look at how smart you is, Globey Also tell me how EVERYBODY KNOWS WE'RE A SPHERE. Look at you go.
@@WCDavis-cl7si You don't live on the coast, do you mate? Here, we see the curve every day. You'd be able to see it too, if only you could gather the courage to look.
If the Earth was flat, how come Radio Amateur operators can use the ionosphere to bounce a signal around the earth? Like Sherlock says "When you have eliminated the impossible, whatever remains, however improbable, must be the truth"
You missed a bigger issue with the skiba demonstration. It was done with a fresnel lens. More importantly, the bottom half of the lens. A fresnel lens works because of concentric circular lenses that become more dense as you reach the center of the lens. Skiba used the bottom half of the lens specifically because it refracts light upwards because the medium of the lens is more dense at the top than it is at the bottom. For the skiba demonstration to work in the real atmosphere, the air density would have to become more dense as altitude is gained
To be precise, a Fresnel lens does not get more dense towards the centre. The individual rings that the lens consists of get less angled towards the centre, just like in a normal lens. In the atmosphere, the air would indeed have to become more dense the higher up you go to get the same effect. But when did a testable practicality like that ever stop a flat earther?
It's quite fascinating, light bends downwards in an atmosphere... unless it's a sunray, then it does the exact opposite, just so the flat earth isn't exposed. I guess.
Rob did the same in his 'proof' that the sun appears to set as it moves further away, which he based on a video someone else has done using a lens to simulate atmospheric refraction. The original video used the top half of the lens because it bends light in the same manner of the gradient density of the atmosphere. Rob deceitfully used the bottom half of his lens in his own video.
You overlooked the possibility that aircraft can be made transparent, but it is a secret that nobody knows about. I remember seeing it on "Wonder Woman". I have said too much.
"Hi, i came here to alert you abot the high activity of CIA and FBI secret policemen at your front porch, please refer yourself to the hidden motorcycle at your basement with the fake passaport to Guatemala as per planned, have a great escape :)"
Oh, I just remembered, I've seen a neat demonstration of this effect in my own house. I live on a second floor, and my roof is made of zinc sheets. On a section of my bathroom, the zinc sheet is not properly sealed to the wall, so there's a gap between the roof and the wall. During the sunset, the underside of the roof, inside the bathroom, is lit up by the sunlight that enters through that gap. And it's not the light bouncing on the top of the wall inside the gap because the roof shoots out further than the wall by a couple of inches, so the only way that sunlight would light up the underside of the roof inside my bathroom is if the sun is under the roof's horizontal. Pretty neat
I get the same effect from the east facing window in my bedroom. The top edge of the sunlight on the opposite wall when the sun first comes up is closer to the ceiling than the top of the window. Therefore the sun must be lower than the top of the window. My window is about 24m above mean sea level.
@@Jehannum2000 . . The reason you won’t hear them say “Oh, now I get it, thanks man” is because they’ve already believed in the spinning ball lie and now they believe the TRUTH. Believe me, I would know because I’m one of them. Why would I go back to believing something I use to believe for close to 50 years? I wouldn’t go back. Once you see the truth you cannot unsee it.
@@Jehannum2000 . . Everyone, on a daily basis, sees both, the sun and moon, moving across the sky, as well as sensing “zero movement” of the earth itself. Yet, you, along with a majority of others, believe that the sun is actually motionless in the sky while the earth is magically rotating on its supposed axis (Lol) and orbiting around the sun. Little do you realize that it’s “you” who have been DUPED. I, too, use to believe this very same ridiculous heliocentric model for most of my life. Sadly, the god of this world (2 Cor 4:4) has blinded the eyes of humanity into believing something that is completely the opposite of what they see each and every single day of their lives. I call it evil genius. You, my friend, along with countless of others, have been programmed by the prince of the power of the air, (Eph 2:2). Believe the Scriptures and then you will see the truth.
That's the reason planes are tubes. So passenger space including windows can be rotated upwards to create the illusion of the sun being below the plane. Of course, at the same time the plane is secretly flying a slight curve to compensate for the change in downward force, so passengers don't notice it 😅
@@valuemastery based on other FE arguments, an explanation that every single plane flying anywhere in the world at sunrise and sunset banks to create the illusion of being higher than the sun is completely expected.
Literally any photographer who has ever worked in a lighting studio can immediately debunk the flat earth model with the inverse square law. The distance of a constant light source means exponential change in brightness depending on how far away it is. A small sun that's moving across the earth would have to get exponentially brighter as it moves away from a location for it to retain its level of brightness in that single location. This of course would mean it's getting exponentially brighter somewhere else. However, a huge sun that's very far away will provide consistent amount of light across a huge area, every single time.
Im guessing you have never been outside before? Also the inverse square law is not something you globies want to go around talking about, its very harmful to your various other claims about "Outter Space".
@@TheEloquentEyeno. It's not. Because it most obviously effects how much of the area around it a lightsource effects. As long as one photon makes it to your eyes, you can see the lighr source. Oops~
@@5peciesunkn0wn The perceived brightness of the object is determined by how many photons enter the eye per unit of time, so the further away it is the dimmer it will look since the same number of photons are spread over a larger area and fewer of them will hit the pupil. The only way for the perceived brightness to stay constant as the distance changes is for the object itself to give out more or less light.
@@CharlesStearmanyes, and when there are *trillions* of them put out every second, coupled with the fact that the further out you go, the less it changes, and the stars are visible just fine. Coupled with the fact that to see some stars you need literal hours of exposure time and oh look. It all matches up just fine.
Just as a point of interest, "level flight" is just when the wings are level, i.e. not banking/rolling. Dave is using the term correctly in this context, but I'm seeing some of the other comments talking about "nose up" or "nose down", which is actually independent of "wings level" or "level flight". Anyway, enjoy your day. P.S. For those that want more details: The motion/velocity/acceleration for flight is split into two groups: longitudinal and lateral/directional. These groups are independent of each other. Longitudinal motion is the speed (usually measured as indicated air speed) and pitch (nose up/down). The lateral/directional motion is the yaw (nose left/right) and roll (banking left/right) and is grouped because the aerodynamics that control yaw and roll are intrinsically linked. P.P.S. There is a term used for the kind of flight Dave described called SLUF (Steady Level Unaccelerated Flight). Steady is for a smooth atmosphere (no turbulence). Level is the "wings level" I talked about earlier. Unaccelerated is what it sounds like, no changes in throttle, pitch, flight speed, etc. And (for completeness) flight means actually flying and not just on the ground.
Level flight is just not gaining or losing altitude. If you are not turning as well, it is straight and level flight which is taught in the first couple of lessons of a pilot's licence. I haven't progressed in 18000 hours flying time beyond that 🤣
Also something I've always wondered about with flerfs is that the Sun never changes apparent size. It doesnt get bigger or smaller, so wouldnt the only reasonable option mean that it sits at a fixed distance? Cause if the Sun moves away from us or towards us as flerfs believe than it should change apparent size, which it never does. Anything going into the distance on a flat earth would have to appear to get smaller, which the sun never does
However, flat earthers just ignore reality, and try to use the lie that "the sun gets smaller" to explain how a sunset would work on a flat wonderland.
You are correct. Flerfs try to claim the change in glare as the sun sets as "proof" it's moving away...despite the fact that would mean the sun suddenly and rapidly moves away from your position over the course of an hour or so. And solar filters show it remaining the same size. Lol.
Their objective is not to understand. Flat Earth isn't even really their goal. Their goal is politics. It's Gramsci-ism from the right, they're here to strip people away from even a basic understanding of reality to groom the public for every future lie the far right will tell them.
nice Steve. When you sit wherever you are and say about another group: THEY DO NOT WANT TO UNDERSTAND; that tells me you are CONVINCED of what you believe. So there is no talking to you otherwise--as your mind is closed. What you are experiencing is called ARROGANT DENIAL, because you are already convinced of being correct. Never mind being a Glober; You are a dangerous communist woman now. You have a closed mind, and earth is a closed system; somebody is going to be quite disappointed later. Flat, domed, and stationary.
A 3,000 mile high sun cannot, under any circumstances, EVER light up the underside of an object that is SIX miles high. Ever. Flerfs are ID10T5, "plane" and simple.
Can you get them to commit to the 3000 mile high sun? Cause I can't. Any time you ask for a model, they throw out possible models, but won't commit to them. The 3000 mile sun is one of those, which they'll pull out to say you're wrong, but if you challenge it "that's just an example, it's not the one I think". But they never show the one they DO think, cause none of them work
@@michaelsorensen7567a few have. My favorite thing to do when they refuse to give a number is point out that, if they don't know the actual height, then they *can't* prove is *not* 93 million miles away. There is one dumbass who said that, by using local noon in Atlanta GA and 9am in LA with the angle of shadows by the sun, they've proven its not 93 million miles away. It's somewhere between 1400 and 1510 miles apparently.
@@michaelsorensen7567 Yeah, none of them CAN work since plotting bearings taken on the Sun onto a flat srface creates lines that do not intersect at any one altitude -- or intersect at all! (Jos Leys has some fantastic videos on this.) Beautiful as well as elegant. ruclips.net/user/josleys
@@Greg042869 as addressed in the video, since the water isn't perfectly flat, such reflections would be diffused rather than harsh. It's like how a bright light shined onto a white surface can produce soft highlights, as in photography studios. That's very different from shining onto a mirrored surface.
Who claims that the earth is flat? Is it navigators? No. Professional pilots, air crew and control tower staff? No. Is it World travelers? Rarely, if ever. Military personnel? Not that I know of. Is it middle-aged bloggers who live at home with mommy and can't hold a real job?
I also believe many are people who have retired or who are at home all day, living in some sort of retirement misery, on iPads, and are cruising through YT. They come across a video, like Dubay’s 200 “proofs”, and then lap it up. It feeds into their anti-government feeling. This is why, if you ever challenge a flat earther, they never have any original thought, it’s just word for word regurgitation of Dubay / Weiss comments.
You've done it yet again, Dave. It is just not possible to debunk this.. Brilliant work, as usual. So pleased you got the Antarctica seat. You really deserve it. But flatties, will never understand. Sadly, its most of their income. So its in their best interest to talk bollox...
@@ElGrecoDaGeek Similar to this quote by Mark Twain: "Never argue with stupid people. They will drag you down to their level and beat you with experience."
I wouldn’t say stupid… I would say it’s damn near impossible with anyone who doesn’t know their mistakes in reasoning….logic, informal fallacies, cognitive biases are the only strategies that “win” these conspiracy theories…
Reflections of light are limited distance range restricted… specially when using a camera to capture… specially when talking about sunlight… which will over power any actual reflected light…
yeah i´ve never heard flerfer adress that. they´probably say it dims automatically. but i´ve also heard them talk about humid and damp and dry light so there is probaly also locally invisible light which is of course why you can´t film or notice it at all in any way.
I dont know where to put this, because maybe its completely nonsense - but after watching a bunch of your videos, you seem like a lovely guy and maybe it could help in the future; the sun has a temperature of about 5800K. we know this because of the colour its emitting, any colder and it would be more red, any hotter and it would start to shine blueish. this direct correlation of colour and temperature can be easily replicated in a lab and is even used to describe the amount of visual warmth that modern led lightbulbs imitate today. if any heat source of that capacity would touch the earth atmosphere, the nitrogen and oxygen in our air would start to form NO2, as this reaction already takes place at about 2 to 3 thousand Kelvin, over 2 thousand K less than the convection heat delivered by a star of said temperature. Not to mention that nitrogen dioxide is responsible for acid rain, its also denser than air (1800 g/l vs 1300 g/l) and would eventually accumulate on the ground, displace the oxygen and suffocate everything as 1000 ppm is already deadly toxic to humans. the only possible solution for us being alive is a vacuum between earths atmosphere and the sun.
I'm actually kind of jealous.. Telling idiots straight to their face that they're idiots sounds like a dream job to me and you are basically doing just that. Cool business model.
Hey numbnutz; welcome to the fold. You are a Glober. You belieb in all things Globe. 30% of Asians under 30 believe in flat earth because Asians are not as smart as you, narvel. I get to do this on my own time; there are thousands of Glober channels on You Tube filled with people like you--incapable of an independent thought. Dream Job Indeed. Doin Bidness now.
@@Ph33NIXx As someone with a physics degree (although high school physics should be enough), I think flerfers must have never drawn a light ray diagram in their lives.
People who know we live on a globe know how to predict a Eclipse because they have a real working model and prove what they done and how they did it, flat earthers can not scientifically predict the next 100 eclipses and prove how they have done it.
@@5peciesunkn0wn i just showed to you that predicting eclipses has nothing to do with the model you believe in... so daniel here gets a little smarter because he thought you can only predict them in the helio model.
A variation on this is if you live on the coast. Especially if you have cliffs or a steep descent to the water side. On the north east coast of England, where I grew up, I could stand at the waterline just before sunrise, look back inland towards the west and literally watch the line between the dark and the light progress down the walls of the houses on the sea front. When, from my perspective, the sun had actually risen, I could see the shadow cast by my head on the sea wall in front of me.
The same experiment, and a few more, can also be done on the North Beach of Heligoland island, which has an almost 50m high cliff right behind it and steps leading up to the top of it. It also has a large offshore wind park to the north of it, and you often have ships "parked" with some distance to the island while they are waiting for their time slot to enter Hamburg harbor. And especially in early summer you have *lots* of bird spotters there, some with tele lenses that dwarf the P900/P1000. Yet none of that can zoom a partially covered ship hull, or the lower parts of a wind turbine, especially those enough far away for their blades to apparently dip into the water every rotation, back into full view. Moving up or down the stairs *does* change the amount of hidden though. Whenever flefs make that stupid "zoom brings ships back" claim I tell how it doesn't do so there. Usually the response then is crickets and tumble weeds, but one very "creative mind" came up with the idea that "zoom back" does not always work, but only in about one of ten cases ...
I'm still on the North East Coast (East Durham specifically - Billy Elliot Country). I'm lucky enough to live a minute's walk away from the sea front, so I often get the chance to watch the sun come up over the water. It never gets old. Most of all, I love the time, just after sunset. If you're on the beach, the sun has gone down behind the cliffs, leaving you in shadow, but is still lighting up the sky. On a clear enough day, the sea reflects the brightness of the sky for a while, making it look like mercury.
Great video! But I still say observing the sun rise or set across the horizon is the easiest way to disprove flat earthers. The sun would increase and decrease in size based on their idea.
I like flerfs using airplanes for their flat earth proofs, when airplane itself is proof of globe earth. The whole airplane technology is based on globe math and physics and counting on stuff like gravity. When some flerf will develop an airplane, based only from flat earth math, then fly from Australia to Africa or South America using flat earth only navigation, then they might have a case. But we all know the result...
First off all, thank you for your amazing videos! I love your educational approach! Secondly, my thought of the simplest way to prove the earth is a globe, and please correct me if I'm wrong, is the actual horizon itself. I mean, isn't the way that in some conditions we can see a crisp horizon line over the sea a direct effect of the curve? My thought is that if the earth was flat we could never see a crisp horizon line and we would rather see as far as the atmospheric conditions allowed us to. And again, please correct me if I'm wrong.
Imagining the perspective from another vantage point other than their own is like kryptonite to flat earthers. I've noticed, universally, they are unable to accurately do so.
I really liked the last observation about the sunlight higher than the airplane windows. But you don't have to get into an airplane to see that... I guess a balcony or window at a tall building next to a big body of water, for the sun to set on or rise from, would do the job.
Yeah, I’m under the north-south flight path into Melbourne. I can see the sun set and then look behind me to see aircraft still in full sunlight. Somehow the “vanishing point” is further away just 500m above me.
The easiest observation is that the moon doesn't dramatically change size. It would have to appear 3x smaller near the horizon than overhead on flat earth. No messing with solar filters, no complaints about being too small to see, no need to get measurements precise, no need to do it on the perfect day.
My favorite observation, (though it does require a bunch of things) is from a seaside building going up and down floors will change how far out to sea you can observe ships or islands. Or how much of the ship/landmass you can see. This is similar to seeing a ship go over the horizon, but that requires timing, and can take several hours. From a seaside building you can just go up and down a few floors and you can keep going back and forth in 10-20 seconds on the elevator. Ships at anchorage a few miles out make excellent targets, and you can use any number of phone aps to get their position and distance. You can do the same from a beach as long as you have some way to raise your height by 5-10 feet. A lifeguard stand is a good option.
That's why many houses built on coasts during the 1800s and early 1900s had "widow's walks", an added platform or even a small room on the roof above the rest of the house that would give you a farther view out to sea. I've seen them in Boston, I've seen them in Auckland, I've seen them in Sydney.
Hi mate, great video as usual! Whilst on the topic of planes, I've had another observation that is easy to confirm to anyone that the earth is 'round' or oblate spheroid, if you will... Using a tool like ADSB-Exchange and big open space outside, you can check an approaching plane on the radar (before you have visual sight) and check it's Barometric altitude. Normally commercial jets fly constantly at around 36K~ ft. When the plane approaches, the contrails make it look as if the plane is climbing 'upwards', but you can notice that the altitude is constantly at 36ft. As the jet approaches and reaches you, you will notice that the contrails plateau with the horizon. As the jet reaches futher away, you will notice that the contrails and jet look as if it's going 'downwards', yet the altitude remains the same on the flight radar. For this to work for anyone testing, you just need the flight altitude to be somewhat constant and for you to have clear visibility and for the plane to have a consistent contrail. A simple but good visulistion that anyone can do :)
Flerfers vehemently deny that the vanishing point is at an infinite distance, it is not a physical point in real space. They claim things go behind the vanishing point. I was baffled when I first heard/saw this explanation because it's just so obviously wrong and stupid that I thought even flerfers couldn't possibly make that claim.
It's a complete misunderstanding of perspective lol. There's one dumbass who claims you can only see 3 miles from "ground/sea to ground/sea looking perfectly horizontal." He really doesnt like it when you ask him for clarification about when you're looking up or down from a height lol. Because according to his claims, we see in...an hourglass shape??
Hi Dave! I was thinking that when you go to Antarctica if you take a time lapse of the 24 hour sun, flat earthers might claim that it is footage from near the North Pole that has been mirror reversed in post. You might want to include an object that is left-right asymmetrical in the frame of the time lapse to prove that the footage wasn’t flipped. That object might be a camera or something, but you might want to make sure that the manufacturers of the object only produce the object in one orientation and don’t make a left-handed version available. Anyway, I appreciate that you’re out here helping to protect people against misinformation. Have fun in Antarctica!
He talked about this in his earlier video. If he includes footage of, say, a newspaper from the day before, it will be impossible for the footage to have been taken from the North Pole. There won't have been a polar sun there in the time since that paper was published. Dont forget, the north and south polar suns occur 6 months apart, so if you can demonstrate the time you are there, you can easily exclude one of those possibilities.
@@Crazy_Diamond_75 They'll still claim it was faked. If Israel can fake Canadian passports well enough to fool Norway in the 1970s, FLERFs will claim Dan got the "deep state" to fake him up a newspaper.
@@Crazy_Diamond_75he also mentioned having simultaneous recordings of the sun through solar filters so one can see (via sunspots) that they are not inverting a North Pole 24 hour footage. But I guess the claim would then be the results of both could have been inverted…
Yup. Even better is to observe the moon. It also passes below the horizon, plus it stays the same apparent size all the time instead of getting smaller as it would if it got father away, and you always see the same side of the moon no matter when you look at it or where you observe it from on the Earth.
Atmospheric diffraction bends light down, not up. It can't explain light getting under the plane. Perspective doesn't work either. At 6pm local time a 3000 mile sun would be about 20° above the horizon.
And if the ice wall existed, and you could see the sun on the complete opposite end of the ice wall with you standing on it as well, it would only ever get about 7 degrees above the horizon lol. Which is why asking how the sun crosses the horizon drives them up the wall.
In re the sun on the clouds, when the "explanation" of the sun shining through the clouds came, I went, "And if that was the case, why isn't the sky BLUE then, the way it is in the daytime, when the sun clearly IS above the clouds?" And then I remembered, Flat Earthers.
Am I misunderstanding something? If the sun was illuminating the clouds from above, then the sun would be directly visible to someone on the ground, wouldn't it?
Hey Dave, not sure if you'll see this, but I snapped an interesting pic at work the other day. I'm a helicopter mechanic and I was crewing an aircraft on a fire in Northern Washington, when, just after the sun had set, I took a picture of the shadow of a mountain. How can one take a picture of a mountain's shadow AFTER sunset, you may ask? Well, again, I was fighting a forest fire, lots of smoke in the atmosphere, and there was the shadow, going at an upward angle into the sky. Not sure how that would work on a flat earth. Thoughs?
it's a somewhat rare phenomenon, but in certain locations, quite common. but the crook who wrote the script flat earthers all parrot from was very PAROCHIAL
What a flerfer sees in the airplane example is swamp gas reflecting sunlight from a weather balloon. Flerfers simply cannot imagine anything outside of human scale and fail to recognize that the surface on a huge globe is effectively flat at human scale. Without lies flat earth dies.
There is a flerfer explanation for the phenomenon you point out. The light you describe is not cast from below by the sun but by militant invisible joint-U.N./NASA penguins flying underneath the aircraft shining iPhones in flashlight [or torch] mode upward at their respective undercarriages. While the globe explanation might be more parsimonious, this hypothesis wins by Occam's Flint Blubber-Scraper.
On the topic of the viewpoint of observers on the plane at about 11:00, Wolfie6020 has videos showing both sun and moon below his aircraft, from the cockpit window. They are actually shown to be below the plane while it is level flight, as demonstrated by the articial horizon on his headgup display. This is the same relationship as in your examples, just seen from the opposite viewpoint.
My head is still blown that there needs to be a video explaining that the Earth is a globe. A conspiracy of that size would be impossible at levels I cannot comprehend.
Most conspiracies greater than 6 people fall apart because someone talks. This "globe conspiracy" has been a thing for 3k years. That means there's been literally millions of people involved...
Military secrets are regularly getting leaked so people can get their favourite vehicle in War Thunder buffed, it's insane that anyone thinks a conspiracy like this could hold.
Also I just don't understand how flat earthers can explain the sun setting below the horizon. Just like ships. Where's the sun going if the earth is actually flat?
Their usual claim is that 'our eyesight is limited and the sun goes so far that we can't see it anymore.' In reality a sunset is geometrically impossible on a flat earth but flat earthers can't understand this.
They claim the sun is lighting them from above. Yes. Even the clouds ten miles from the horizon with the shadows on the wrong side that are too thick to see the sun through during the day...
Planes do fly level they just level off at a designated altitude from the ground and follow the curve of the earth period, so if flerfs try and say anything about the flying level, they don't understand how planes fly
We have something similar to the sunrise/sunset phenomenon you speak of that we will observe on July 16th. We will be flying from Kauai to San Diego leaving Kauai at 10pm and arriving in San Diego at 6:15. We will have sunrise at altitude prior to landing but will be landing prior to sunrise at ground level
If you look at the contrails that a plane leaves behind it... it looks like it's going straight up in the air when you're looking at it going behind the horizon but if you look above yourself the contrails look horizontal instead of vertical then turn around and look in the opposite direction and then it looks like it's going up and down behind the Horizon again right there shows that it's a curve😂 when snipers are shooting at Target a mile away they have to calculate the curvature of the Earth to hit their target but the biggest debunk of flat Earth is solar and lunar eclipses especially the solar eclipse that just happened!!
I was on a plane the other day when the sun was setting and took a picture of the dark land below, the engines and wings lite from below, and the light coming through the window and hitting the ceiling. Just to have the evidence
Sun light on the bottom of planes, tips of mountains/tall buildings being lit first or last during sunset and sunrise, 24 hour sun at the poles during certain times of the year, star trails at the poles, ships disappearing from the bottom up, the curvature of the horizon even at sea level when actually tested, pictures from space, bridges curving with the earth when they are long enough and can take pictures of it. Does there really need to be any more than that? Flat earth doesnt even have their own model, they think level = flat (it doesnt), you can make a side profile topographical map of a ball and it would be a straight line because every point from the center to the outside of the sphere is equal (or close enough to being equal) that you would end up with a straight line, they proved the globe with their tests. How long can this go on? Really...
Dave, regarding the cloud observation myself and others made previously... You can still see the phenomenon on clouds that are arguably too thick to allow light to diffuse through without muting the intensity of the light. Specifically, larger/thicker clouds whose undersides are clearly illuminated from only one direction (west) and not illuminated on the underside of their easterly fronts. The argument against such perceived illumination being the result of light diffusing through the cloud would be that if that where the case you would expect equal amounts of illumination on the easterly sides as well. That's the only reason I would argue it's just as easy, if not more readily observable in a random pre/post dawn sky. FWIW, what I've asked flerfs what the cause of this illumination is and they always say reflection... SMH
If you're in a place with a lot of air traffic at sunset, you can often see planes at different altitudes. The lower ones are in shadow, the higher ones are lit up from underneath. This can only be explained by the sun dipping below the horizon. Unless that is you think one is above the sun and one below?😆
I live near an International airport and I am under a flight path. I see this happen on a daily, or should I say nightly basis. Most of the aircraft are flying West / North West and it is something I find a beautiful sight, especially during Winter with the contrails. Oh, I am very far inland with no water bodies large enough to reflect onto the plane. It is mostly forest with very little reflection. Always enjoy your videos, as someone of the elderly persuasion, I at times learn something new or have something brought back to me that I had forgotten. Thank You.
I choose to think guys like this are the real alpha males. He doesn't need to scream his points or talk very fast, he just knows how things work and how to explain things.
@@giftofthewild6665 You need to be careful of mocking the people in the USA for slight differences in use of English. In Eastern England there is often, what is to me, misuse of the word while. Such as using it instead of until as in "I will be away while Tuesday". There are also tales that some people came up to light controlled level crossings where the sign said "Do not cross while lights are flashing" and then waited for the lights to flash before they crossed. I suspect this was just someone pointing out how wrong this use of while is rather than reality though.
@@martinconnelly1473 No, real. The language was changed to "if lights are flashing" to avoid the ambiguity (for those speakers) and because it is clearer and shorter.
curios about where the million of earth photos are? NASA has done millions and abondend every single one of them + the technology to send humans to the moon + landing vertically somewhere on earth even (they are trying to figure that one out again right now)
good spacecraft engineering but we dont do that anymore... we are more focused on other things atm... "Can i see the other things?" " no but i am allowed to believe in them..." globeturds...
@Dave: FTFE told that you are planning a video about the Antarctis sailing ship race. I can provide you two GPS records of the first 2 winners plus a circumnavigation of a sailing drone. All data in my App where you can make measurements and calculations between any 2 GPS data points. It calculates the distances and speeds for Globe and FE from the GPS data between any 2 points. E.g. the circumnavigation below the 40 latitude south is for the Globe 27,371 km, for FE 90,971 km, the mean speed for the Globe 28.3 km/h, for FE 94.0 km/h.
@@WalterBislin thanks Walter, I did some rough calculations based on Francois Gabart's split times, but your data could be useful Could you email it over?
I've always reckoned claiming sunlight refracts upwards would solve some flat Earth problems, including sunset and lit airplane underside. Alas, the only lens in the sky is the atmosphere and its density gradient makes it bend light downwards. Neither can it solve the receding Sun not appearing to shrink in size.
Damn, I was really close that they will go with refraction. I think they will add that the sun is refracted through the airplane windows. Or even better, it is refracted through chemtrails of other airplanes.
2024 we're still talking about this nonsense. I want flatbrains to make a flat earth simulator where you can go anywhere on their flat land and it has to reflect reality
Just get a photo from inside the plane looking at the engine of the plane at sunset... it will be lit from below, and shadow'd on top. Many engines have vanes/pitot-tubes/whatever and such on them which will also cast shadows upwards. It totally removes all conversation about aircraft angles, perspective and literally everything
One small correction. At cruising altitude, planes fly with a pronounced nose up attitude, not perfectly level. This is because at high altitude the air is much thinner and in order to maintain level flight, the plane has to fly with a higher angle of attack than it would a low altitude, in order to maintain lift. It's not flying straight and level like a dart or an arrow. It's flying a bit nose up because the air is so thin. Kinda shoots holes in flat earthers arguments about planes having to always be going nose down to compensate for earth's curvature. They're already falling through the air a bit because the air is so thin.
I can only imagine they don't think there's an "other side." Considering they seem to think there's land beyond "the firmament" that continues infinitely (or at least near-infinitely), I would assume they think the depth of the Earth is the same.
You can't get down there as the rockets accelerating the flat earth at 9.8m/s2 would burn you up. Clearly the dome was put there to protect us from the exhaust fumes.
Hey Dave. Just a thought. See if you can borrow a sextant to take to Antarctica, so that you can film Jeran and Whitsitt using it to work out where they are using flat earth maths. They have, after all, told us that celestial navigation works on a flat earth.
What I have seen more than once is sunlight streaming in the windows on one side of the plane cabin and illuminating the wall and luggage bins _above_ the windows on the other side. And looking out confirms that the sun has already set for the people on the ground below.
That’s not sunlight reflecting off the plane. You know the sun simulator they are going to use in Antarctica for the final experiment? Well they have many of those , and they focus them on the underside of planes and clouds.
I hear they even had to borrow the bat signal two years ago because of the increase in flights. Arkham Asylum had a drastic drop in inmates and subsequently ordered too much food. Go and dig through the landfill like I did and see the evidence for yourself globe sheeples. /s obviously.
@@joerichardson4325 Oh man. Apparently they are everywhere. Never a shortage of them for sure. And they can do some amazing things. I’d like to meet them sometime. But they’d probably kill me if I knew who they were.
In my skydiving days, one of the best loads of the day were the Sunset Loads. Sometimes the plane would take off AFTER sunset. When you got up to altitude (15 min), which was usually 10,000 feet, the sun would be blazing away and a good 5 fingers, or a hands length high ABOVE the horizon, and LOW and behold (pun intended) complete shade on the ground.
I live in Switzerland in front of 12'000ft tall Mountains. I see the shadow at sunset going from bottom up. Then the mountain is in shadow, but the plane flying over it at 30'000ft is still in the light of the sun. How should that work on a flat earth?
Using the magical flerspective. That's how.
"refraction" "personal dome" "local sun" and a ton other delusional concepts used by flerfs
Well see.. If the relatively low hanging sun goes far enough west above a flat earth then eventually it goes past and behind something even taller than your 12k ft mountains. Namely it goes behind the himalayas (with an average height of 20k ft) and that cuts off the light to your mountains, while it can still shine on the plane above. Check mate. ;)
@@daemn42 nice try. But a real Flerf would know that the sun goes behind the antarctic great ice wall . The light on the plane is coming from the moon that is the reason why it is such cold outside the plane as the moon light has a cooling effect. Really basic Flerf physics knowledge, i swear it is not that hard.
Don't you know there are spotlights hidden on top of mountains, shining light on the bottom of planes? I thought that's fairly obvious 😊
If flat earthers could be convinced with logic and facts, there would be no flat earthers
Exactly, good point
It goes both ways.
But the real reason for this conversation is the CIA wants people divided, so we're easier to control.
What part of it you choose to ignore?
Makes me wonder how many there are that would have already switched their position only if they had kept their mouth shut and hadn't told anyone. I bet a good percentage of them just refuse to admit they are wrong and refuse to deal with the monumental embarrassment and humiliation. I'm definitely not a huge fan of being wrong either lol but such is the price of intellectual honesty sometimes.
Flat Brainers have a personality type that has not yet been defined as it is a new one that has evolved. These ppl cant ever be wrong and unwilling to believe math facts that are used to predict solar events and they are not capable of accepting they are wrong. This is the same personality of the Sovereign Citizen and Auditor groups. They are so confident they know the laws they will tell a Judge "let me educate you.... blah blah." They will tell police officers "I pay your salary. You are dismissed." When 96% of them are jobless felons. They have a mix of Dunning Kruger syndrome, narcissism and a hyper social disorder that craves attention and they do not ever feel embarrassment. They see no issue with shoving a camera in someones face and then tell them "its my right to film you tyrants" and not realize their behavior is how a tyrant actually behaves. Nothing will stop them. They think they know how to read court cases and could be in Nebraska and then cite a state court case from Florida and they will say "such and such case 123.5b says the court determined blag blah" even though it may seem like it says that you have to read the first paragraph because that usually tells you a specifc word means ______ only in reference to this case. They will never stop unless the FBI classifies them as domestic terrorists, which they should be, and starts arresting them and sending them for a minimum 10yr sentence. Then they may stop.
@@n8ture690 That would matter if it was about the specific fact. But this is about them being smarter than all the children who were able to pay attention in school. That is why they could not keep their mouth shut. This is also why they have to plaster their opinion all over the web, under every post showing space on social media and under every YT video. It is all about them trying to be smarter than they are to somehow keep up a narrative that the world does them injustice when not offering what they feel entitled to. This is also why those conspiracy theories pile up and they need more and more of them, like an addiction.
Short answer: no.
Long answer: noooooooo.
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Funky answer:
Hell to the noooooo, to the no, no, no, noooooooooooo
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Longest answer: no∞
Flerf: The Earth is obviously flat because it looks flat. Trust your senses.
Glober: The sun clearly goes right below the horizon, which proves it isn't flying above a flat Earth.
Flerf: Nuh-uh. That's just an illusion. You can't trust your senses.
If irony were strawberries we'd all be drinking a lot of smoothies 😂😂
It's not an illusion, it's more like a mirage but in a different way, sort of.
@AdamSmart-w4x Yes, and of course after spending a few millions in editing software, noone watched it to double check and noone thought of removing it. Way to go sherlock.
SO YOU ARE SAYING YOU CAN NOT TRUST YOUR OWN SENSES
@@ginnyjollykidd So... you're saying you can't trust your senses, after claiming that all of science is wrong because your senses told you?
Oh no, you said the word... you said "the plane has been cruising level for about an hour and continued to fly level for about an hour afterward". Now the flat earthers will say "ahaaa! You said the plane was flying level for about two hours, but that is impossible on a globe because they have to dip a bit to account for curvature! so earth flat!! check mate" and ignore every other explanation you gave on the video
Of course as always they are wrong
That's what makes a lot of discussions nowadays difficult, because if you spell it all out carefully in the initial post to make it "idiot proof" then people complain that it's too long and wordy. But if you don't then you have to fight off the trolls that look for any phrase that they can twist to put you on the defensive. You can try and ignore them, but unfortunately if left unchallenged they can confuse some of the other casual readers/viewers who are easily influenced.
They always confuse level with flat so it's inevitable. And otherwise they will just spin the words so it fits their argument
You can remain parallel to the surface of a spherical object by following the curve around, meaning that you are level with the surface... If you remain ~10,000 feet above sea level in flight you are following the curve.
@@V3RTIGO222 What you said there will just come across as white noise to them.
You could put a flat earfer on the ISS for a week and they'd come back home and say it was all VR and hypnosis.
Lol or that they were on the vomit comet, with LCD screens for windows.
Completely ignoring the fact the vomit comet can only sustain its microgravity for 30 seconds
Even if they said "yup, it's not flat" all other FLERFs will say they are just lying now, paid off, etc. etc. Move the goalposts every time.
😅😂🤣🤣🤣 .... 😐 sadly true
Perhaps the sensation of constant fall would make an impression on them and that they have to work hard to put their feet on "the floor" or not being able to keep their legs straight in their sleeping bag and not being able to tell which way is up and which is down.
Maybe?
You’re confusing flat earthers with moon landing skeptics.
Using one to delegitimize the other is dishonest.
And the ISS is only in low earth orbit.
It is difficult to win an argument with an intelligent person. It's impossible to win an argument with idiots. I cannot believe this is a topic that's still being discussed 🤦♂️🤦♂️🤦♂️ Good on ya, fighting the good fight 😂
Ever since WW1, artillery gunners learned to factor in earth's curvature into their firing solutions at long distance, so they actually hit their target... I guess Flerfers think that's just dedication to the ruse played on mankind. _For some reason._
@@h.a.9880 They literally have to be trying to be this clueless. I'm not entirely convinced that the real flat earth conspiracy is that they all know it's a joke and are playing us for fools 😂😂😂
@@h.a.9880 the reason most often given for why literally every single: government official, scientist, anyone with a boat, anyone flying planes and probably a fuck ton more professions and random people that i just can't think of are all lying about the shape of the earth is that there's other lands outside of the "ice ring" and the government wants to keep it for themselves for resources and whatnot.
Now, i really want to ask, why the fuck couldn't they be angry at the government for actually good reasons like, for the USA, inflation, not having free healthcare, the tax system being the way it is just to benefit tax companies' pockets, the fact that the education system is fucked, the whole gun issue, social issues regarding shit like roe v wade, healthcare for trans folks etc.
No, they have to make up a flat earth conspiracy just to make up something to be mad at the government, absolutely brilliant.
(i know the reason is that most flat earthers are QANON cultists and by proxy also massive bigots but it's still crazy)
@@h.a.9880 Modern artillery guns often have an inertial guidance unit, which not only is more precise than GPS and provides orientation in addition to location, but also can't be jammed. It uses intersecting laser beams to detect acceleration, which means it must account for the unit's altitude and latitude, the exact shape of the Earth, its rotation ("A... 15 degree per hour drift"), and tidal effects from the moon and sun. These units would not work as they do on a flat Earth. But flerfs would probably just claim the IGU manufacturers are all shills.
@@wizardsuth GPS would not work without satellites either.
I also like to point out that submarines navigate using gravity. They have sensors that register the exact force of gravity, and depending on how it increases or decreases, they can tell where they are.
This wouldn't work on a flat earth, cause the force of gravity would have to be constant all over the world in that model.
"... as obviously sunlight is not going to be passing through the metal skin of a plane". Oh Dave, considering the kind of absurd claims a flerfer does. do you think this one is out of the question? You give them too much credit :)
Listen, though, Wonder Woman has only one plane. 😉
Ahh, but Scotty introduced transparent aluminum to this world in the 80's. Planes are built of aluminum. Ipso facto, planes must be transparent.
(Interestingly, aluminum oxynitride itself was patented in 1980, so there is a high degree of likelihood that one of the writers for ST4 had seen a publication on the material.)
So excited to see a photo I took as a little push against the disinformation of flat earth and debunk this primitive concept. Thanks for the feature Dave
Flat Earthers will still not understand. We need Father Ted to break it down for them.
I'm not sure, they don't take kindly to being called "feckin eejits"
HA!
Small. Faraway...
@@astronomenov99 I still don't get it.
@@freddan6fly ah forget it
Just for reference, in the flight deck of those aircraft it is still daylight, as a pilot I am very often flying in daylight with street lights visible on the ground below.
That alone demolishes the flat earth. It would be completely impossible.
@@ntdscherer tbh literally every path you take demolishes flat earth💀
@@akdb That's fair!
Beyond the point of disproving flat earth, that’s really cool. I remember on a flight years ago we kept being pursued by the sunrise. It would happen, then become dark again. Multiple time. Very cool
Obviously a CIA plant. It's all CGI! You are just a stupid glober.😜JK
Hey Dave! Just wanted to say I've seen my fair share of "debunker" content and out of all creators, your content is the best in my opinion. Your arguments are extremely well thought out and empirically supported, your demonstrations are superb, and your explanations of photography and optical observations are first-class. I also appreciate the patience and respect you show to the people who you debunk, regardless of how asinine their arguments may be. Doubtless this content takes significant time and effort to create, it's definitely appreciated!
Thank you so much for the support
@astruxium dave is a disinformation actor.
artic has 4 clear seasons Antarctica does not.
summer solstice the sun does not dissapear over the horizon for weeks on end.
at antartica during summer solstice the sun disappears for 2 months. until the sun slowly moves away from the artic circle can Antarctica see sunlight.
if there was a 23 degree tilt Antarctica would also get 24 7 sun this does not happen. proven multiple ways.
Antarctica average temperature-57 degree f
a record low of -135.8 f
artic average temperature 4 degrees.
artic gets a decent summer snow melts. this does not happen in Antarctica.
kerguelen islands at 49 degrees south longitude has just 18 species of plants.
Iceland 65 degrees latitude. 16 degrees closer to the equator than the kerguelen islands yet has 870 spices of plants.
in the north people can live as high as the 79th parallel
in the south noone can live any lower than the 56th parallel
50 countries have an agreement noone can go below the 56th parallel. except on over priced flights. and never during winter solstice.this video shows sunlight at artic and Antarctica simeltanoiusly. impossible on a round earth.
ruclips.net/video/Hs3Xtb3Rr3Q/видео.html
England has 10 PM summers. new Zealand has the shortest day
@@DaveMcKeegan does antartica get 24 7 sun?
@@Stopstalkingmenarokkurai During the Summer Solstice in December it does.
You've already be proven wrong hundreds of times.
artic has 4 clear seasons Antarctica does not.
summer solstice the sun does not dissapear over the horizon for weeks on end.
at antartica during summer solstice the sun disappears for 2 months. until the sun slowly moves away from the artic circle can Antarctica see sunlight.
if there was a 23 degree tilt Antarctica would also get 24 7 sun this does not happen. proven multiple ways.
Antarctica average temperature-57 degree f
a record low of -135.8 f
artic average temperature 4 degrees.
artic gets a decent summer snow melts. this does not happen in Antarctica.
kerguelen islands at 49 degrees south longitude has just 18 species of plants.
Iceland 65 degrees latitude. 16 degrees closer to the equator than the kerguelen islands yet has 870 spices of plants.
in the north people can live as high as the 79th parallel
in the south noone can live any lower than the 56th parallel
50 countries have an agreement noone can go below the 56th parallel. except on over priced flights. and never during winter solstice.this video shows sunlight at artic and Antarctica simeltanoiusly. impossible on a round earth.
ruclips.net/video/Hs3Xtb3Rr3Q/видео.html
England has 10 PM summers. new Zealand has the shortest day
You keep getting caught out lying and pushing your disinformation agenda.
Forget planes, flat earth can't even explain sunset and sunrise
That’s what I’m sayin
Or "night".
Or time zones
They just claim it due to perspective and refraction. They explain most of their nonsense theories using those 2 words. Another 2 words they use to explain gravity is bouyancy and density.
"It's muh perspective!"
"Or two if you want to get home" killed me 😆
Sorry to be the pedant, but logically most people would travel on a return ticket, meaning both outbound and inbound travel would be all on the same ticket (number). Two flights, one ticket.
But I agree, we know what Dave was going for and it was still amusing.
I've got two physical tickets on every return flight I've been on. It's not many, but a few.
As a Airline Pilot it is fairly common for me to depart towards the west, just after sunset, to observe ( a large portion of ) the sun rise above the horizon during a moderate climb rate , then to see the sun set below the horizon again as I reach cruising altitude. ( During that short time the plane has only traveled a short horizontal distance. ) Have never had a flat earther able to explain that observation. Lol…
Folks can recreate it with a drone, and see a double sunset by zooming up right after the first one -- with no horizontal component to the flight at all!
As an airline pilot, you are one of the several million people that are part of the conspiracy. Duh!
/s
Are any of your airline pilot colleagues flat earthers?
a. Yes
b. No
c. N/A
@@jeffbeck8993- I’ve never met any FE pilots, and I have never been asked about it either, which is a shame. Saying that it’s probably a good thing because I probably would launch into a bit of a triad against them, then get disciplined for un-gentlemanly behaviour by my chief pilot.
@@jeffbeck8993 Never heared about one and I would doubt that persons judmentvas a Pilot if I did come across one. :)
Flerfs: "Nuh uh"
Sometimes they also back up their nuh uhs with a very poor understanding of science or math, which, if applied consistently, would result in calculations being wrong and inventions never happening.
They also cannot produce a single working model of their hypothesis, so it is an untestable hypothesis.
Or "C'mon, man! Use common sense! You know it's a scam!"
That’s really all they’ve got.
Also Flerfs: SHILL!!
The most powerful argument ever concocted by man. Completely irrefutable. Try arguing with a 4 year old using this tactic. It is an impenetrable defense.
I remember as a kid around 1979/80 I was on my way back to the UK from Florida and The pilot piped up on the intercom telling everyone to open the window blinds and explained that because of the time, heading and altitude everyone in the right of the plane look out and you can see the Sun and everyone on the left was still in darkness and it was due to those factors and the curve of the Earth,
Holy sht! Another Mackem! I thought I was the only one . . .
@@stickiedmin6508 They don't Mackem like they used to.
a sane person would know that this can only happen on a globe. but flerfs think light magically stops as to give the appearance it´s a globe. it also moves in an absolute bizarre way that makes no sense at all and disregards all of known physics.
Yes; you have been a Glober since the early 70's. We're all so proud. CURVE of the earth; yes. The CURVE you have neither seen, nor measured; ever. THAT curve; believe in it. You not dumb; an airPLANE pilot told you so. Fuh fuh fuh. Just look at how smart you is, Globey Also tell me how EVERYBODY KNOWS WE'RE A SPHERE. Look at you go.
@@WCDavis-cl7si
You don't live on the coast, do you mate?
Here, we see the curve every day.
You'd be able to see it too, if only you could gather the courage to look.
If the Earth was flat, how come Radio Amateur operators can use the ionosphere to bounce a signal around the earth?
Like Sherlock says
"When you have eliminated the impossible, whatever remains, however improbable, must be the truth"
You missed a bigger issue with the skiba demonstration.
It was done with a fresnel lens. More importantly, the bottom half of the lens.
A fresnel lens works because of concentric circular lenses that become more dense as you reach the center of the lens.
Skiba used the bottom half of the lens specifically because it refracts light upwards because the medium of the lens is more dense at the top than it is at the bottom. For the skiba demonstration to work in the real atmosphere, the air density would have to become more dense as altitude is gained
To be precise, a Fresnel lens does not get more dense towards the centre. The individual rings that the lens consists of get less angled towards the centre, just like in a normal lens.
In the atmosphere, the air would indeed have to become more dense the higher up you go to get the same effect. But when did a testable practicality like that ever stop a flat earther?
It's quite fascinating, light bends downwards in an atmosphere... unless it's a sunray, then it does the exact opposite, just so the flat earth isn't exposed. I guess.
Rob did the same in his 'proof' that the sun appears to set as it moves further away, which he based on a video someone else has done using a lens to simulate atmospheric refraction. The original video used the top half of the lens because it bends light in the same manner of the gradient density of the atmosphere. Rob deceitfully used the bottom half of his lens in his own video.
So was he trying to imply that the sun is just a really bright lighthouse 😂
@@Meika_Rei how do you make globbers disappear twice?
Ask for 1 proof of gravity
Ask for one proof of curve.
Tea : a few bucks.
Pastries : same.
Catching a Dave McKeegan video just as it's released : priceless !
This afternoon will be good. ^^
lovely!
I just happen to be finishing up a pasty as I read this. 😁
You overlooked the possibility that aircraft can be made transparent, but it is a secret that nobody knows about. I remember seeing it on "Wonder Woman".
I have said too much.
"Hi, i came here to alert you abot the high activity of CIA and FBI secret policemen at your front porch, please refer yourself to the hidden motorcycle at your basement with the fake passaport to Guatemala as per planned, have a great escape :)"
@@adryanclay Thanks buddy! I am getting out ri
In cartoons the invisible jet didn't make its occupants invisible, so people could see them flying along in a seated position.
@wizardsuth Ah! A logical thinker, like me. Naturally you would use mirrors to conceal the passengers, or paint them blue. Quite simple, really.
@@wizardsuth they also had visible edges like the 3d models in a CAD program. Way ahead of their time, those cartoonists were.
Oh, I just remembered, I've seen a neat demonstration of this effect in my own house. I live on a second floor, and my roof is made of zinc sheets. On a section of my bathroom, the zinc sheet is not properly sealed to the wall, so there's a gap between the roof and the wall. During the sunset, the underside of the roof, inside the bathroom, is lit up by the sunlight that enters through that gap. And it's not the light bouncing on the top of the wall inside the gap because the roof shoots out further than the wall by a couple of inches, so the only way that sunlight would light up the underside of the roof inside my bathroom is if the sun is under the roof's horizontal. Pretty neat
I get the same effect from the east facing window in my bedroom. The top edge of the sunlight on the opposite wall when the sun first comes up is closer to the ceiling than the top of the window. Therefore the sun must be lower than the top of the window. My window is about 24m above mean sea level.
Something you will never hear said by a flat earther: "Oh, now I get it. That's so simple. Thanks, man."
Except in the case of a four-year-old child. They don't know the Earth is round but they immediately get it when it's explained to them.
@@Jehannum2000 . . The reason you won’t hear them say “Oh, now I get it, thanks man” is because they’ve already believed in the spinning ball lie and now they believe the TRUTH.
Believe me, I would know because I’m one of them.
Why would I go back to believing something I use to believe for close to 50 years?
I wouldn’t go back. Once you see the truth you cannot unsee it.
@@harvestworkers626 You have been taken for a fool, I'm afraid.
@@Jehannum2000 . . Everyone, on a daily basis, sees both, the sun and moon, moving across the sky, as well as sensing “zero movement” of the earth itself.
Yet, you, along with a majority of others, believe that the sun is actually motionless in the sky while the earth is magically rotating on its supposed axis (Lol) and orbiting around the sun.
Little do you realize that it’s “you” who have been DUPED.
I, too, use to believe this very same ridiculous heliocentric model for most of my life.
Sadly, the god of this world (2 Cor 4:4) has blinded the eyes of humanity into believing something that is completely the opposite of what they see each and every single day of their lives. I call it evil genius.
You, my friend, along with countless of others, have been programmed by the prince of the power of the air, (Eph 2:2).
Believe the Scriptures and then you will see the truth.
@@harvestworkers626 Dunning-Kruger effect.
Thanks, Dave. I'll forward this to a guy who said using a level on a plane proves we live on, well... a plane.
Explain to him how an aircraft actually flies and they NEVER dip the nose in level flight
@@gowdsake7103 Indeed. Like a scene from "Airplane!". I wonder why science deniers use any technology.
@@gowdsake7103 Better still, it's sometimes necessary to fly with a nose-up attitude to maintain level flight.
@gymrowboat - imagine forgetting you live on a plane and opening the door midflight. You're friend is the opposite of Sponge Bob.
I climbed 'down' to the equator and nearly fell off!
That last point is a great one. If you're inside the plane, you can see that the sun is below the window level.
That's the reason planes are tubes. So passenger space including windows can be rotated upwards to create the illusion of the sun being below the plane. Of course, at the same time the plane is secretly flying a slight curve to compensate for the change in downward force, so passengers don't notice it 😅
Not sure if this is sarcasm@@valuemastery, but if so it is brilliant
@@valuemastery based on other FE arguments, an explanation that every single plane flying anywhere in the world at sunrise and sunset banks to create the illusion of being higher than the sun is completely expected.
@@ctsean Absolutely. But please don't put me in the FE categorie, but in the "makes fun of FEs" category 😅
They'll say it's due to the perspective of the refraction or something, while denying any form of refraction that shoots down their claims.
Literally any photographer who has ever worked in a lighting studio can immediately debunk the flat earth model with the inverse square law. The distance of a constant light source means exponential change in brightness depending on how far away it is. A small sun that's moving across the earth would have to get exponentially brighter as it moves away from a location for it to retain its level of brightness in that single location. This of course would mean it's getting exponentially brighter somewhere else. However, a huge sun that's very far away will provide consistent amount of light across a huge area, every single time.
Im guessing you have never been outside before? Also the inverse square law is not something you globies want to go around talking about, its very harmful to your various other claims about "Outter Space".
@@TheEloquentEyeno. It's not. Because it most obviously effects how much of the area around it a lightsource effects. As long as one photon makes it to your eyes, you can see the lighr source. Oops~
@@5peciesunkn0wn The perceived brightness of the object is determined by how many photons enter the eye per unit of time, so the further away it is the dimmer it will look since the same number of photons are spread over a larger area and fewer of them will hit the pupil. The only way for the perceived brightness to stay constant as the distance changes is for the object itself to give out more or less light.
@@CharlesStearmanyes, and when there are *trillions* of them put out every second, coupled with the fact that the further out you go, the less it changes, and the stars are visible just fine. Coupled with the fact that to see some stars you need literal hours of exposure time and oh look. It all matches up just fine.
@5peciesunkn0wn The conversation is not about the light source, it's about the brightness and consistency of the brightness. Oops.
Just as a point of interest, "level flight" is just when the wings are level, i.e. not banking/rolling. Dave is using the term correctly in this context, but I'm seeing some of the other comments talking about "nose up" or "nose down", which is actually independent of "wings level" or "level flight". Anyway, enjoy your day.
P.S. For those that want more details:
The motion/velocity/acceleration for flight is split into two groups: longitudinal and lateral/directional. These groups are independent of each other. Longitudinal motion is the speed (usually measured as indicated air speed) and pitch (nose up/down). The lateral/directional motion is the yaw (nose left/right) and roll (banking left/right) and is grouped because the aerodynamics that control yaw and roll are intrinsically linked.
P.P.S. There is a term used for the kind of flight Dave described called SLUF (Steady Level Unaccelerated Flight). Steady is for a smooth atmosphere (no turbulence). Level is the "wings level" I talked about earlier. Unaccelerated is what it sounds like, no changes in throttle, pitch, flight speed, etc. And (for completeness) flight means actually flying and not just on the ground.
Level flight is just not gaining or losing altitude. If you are not turning as well, it is straight and level flight which is taught in the first couple of lessons of a pilot's licence. I haven't progressed in 18000 hours flying time beyond that 🤣
Also something I've always wondered about with flerfs is that the Sun never changes apparent size. It doesnt get bigger or smaller, so wouldnt the only reasonable option mean that it sits at a fixed distance? Cause if the Sun moves away from us or towards us as flerfs believe than it should change apparent size, which it never does. Anything going into the distance on a flat earth would have to appear to get smaller, which the sun never does
However, flat earthers just ignore reality, and try to use the lie that "the sun gets smaller" to explain how a sunset would work on a flat wonderland.
You are correct. Flerfs try to claim the change in glare as the sun sets as "proof" it's moving away...despite the fact that would mean the sun suddenly and rapidly moves away from your position over the course of an hour or so. And solar filters show it remaining the same size. Lol.
Flerfs will never understand because they do not want to understand.
Their objective is not to understand. Flat Earth isn't even really their goal. Their goal is politics. It's Gramsci-ism from the right, they're here to strip people away from even a basic understanding of reality to groom the public for every future lie the far right will tell them.
nice Steve. When you sit wherever you are and say about another group: THEY DO NOT WANT TO UNDERSTAND; that tells me you are CONVINCED of what you believe. So there is no talking to you otherwise--as your mind is closed. What you are experiencing is called ARROGANT DENIAL, because you are already convinced of being correct. Never mind being a Glober; You are a dangerous communist woman now. You have a closed mind, and earth is a closed system; somebody is going to be quite disappointed later. Flat, domed, and stationary.
A 3,000 mile high sun cannot, under any circumstances, EVER light up the underside of an object that is SIX miles high. Ever.
Flerfs are ID10T5, "plane" and simple.
Can you get them to commit to the 3000 mile high sun? Cause I can't. Any time you ask for a model, they throw out possible models, but won't commit to them. The 3000 mile sun is one of those, which they'll pull out to say you're wrong, but if you challenge it "that's just an example, it's not the one I think". But they never show the one they DO think, cause none of them work
@@michaelsorensen7567a few have. My favorite thing to do when they refuse to give a number is point out that, if they don't know the actual height, then they *can't* prove is *not* 93 million miles away.
There is one dumbass who said that, by using local noon in Atlanta GA and 9am in LA with the angle of shadows by the sun, they've proven its not 93 million miles away.
It's somewhere between 1400 and 1510 miles apparently.
@@michaelsorensen7567 Yeah, none of them CAN work since plotting bearings taken on the Sun onto a flat srface creates lines that do not intersect at any one altitude -- or intersect at all!
(Jos Leys has some fantastic videos on this.) Beautiful as well as elegant.
ruclips.net/user/josleys
It could if sunlight were reflecting off water.
@@Greg042869 as addressed in the video, since the water isn't perfectly flat, such reflections would be diffused rather than harsh. It's like how a bright light shined onto a white surface can produce soft highlights, as in photography studios. That's very different from shining onto a mirrored surface.
Who claims that the earth is flat? Is it navigators? No. Professional pilots, air crew and control tower staff? No. Is it World travelers? Rarely, if ever. Military personnel? Not that I know of. Is it middle-aged bloggers who live at home with mommy and can't hold a real job?
I also believe many are people who have retired or who are at home all day, living in some sort of retirement misery, on iPads, and are cruising through YT. They come across a video, like Dubay’s 200 “proofs”, and then lap it up. It feeds into their anti-government feeling. This is why, if you ever challenge a flat earther, they never have any original thought, it’s just word for word regurgitation of Dubay / Weiss comments.
Shhh.... don't stress them, they're about to play their opening move in checkers...
@@kstricl I guess they can't handle chess.
They don’t even touch grass
You've done it yet again, Dave.
It is just not possible to debunk this..
Brilliant work, as usual. So pleased you got the Antarctica seat. You really deserve it.
But flatties, will never understand. Sadly, its most of their income. So its in their best interest to talk bollox...
“It’s hard to win an argument with a smart person, but it’s damn near impossible to win an argument with a stupid person.” - Bill Murray
This
@@ElGrecoDaGeek Similar to this quote by Mark Twain: "Never argue with stupid people. They will drag you down to their level and beat you with experience."
That's why troll and move on 😂😂
I wouldn’t say stupid… I would say it’s damn near impossible with anyone who doesn’t know their mistakes in reasoning….logic, informal fallacies, cognitive biases are the only strategies that “win” these conspiracy theories…
Reflections of light are limited distance range restricted… specially when using a camera to capture… specially when talking about sunlight… which will over power any actual reflected light…
Clearly the earth is flat and the local sun is just setting into Ohio. Poor people being incinerated
It happens at the end of every day. I don't know why you want move there to be honest.
@@atomcraft4067 That's the main reason I left Ohio. Too much sunburn every evening 😆
Actually it sets in Arizona, near Flagstaff. That's why the rocks are so red there. (Credit to Bill Watterson)
yeah i´ve never heard flerfer adress that. they´probably say it dims automatically. but i´ve also heard them talk about humid and damp and dry light so there is probaly also locally invisible light which is of course why you can´t film or notice it at all in any way.
Ohio? Please. Try the deep south.
it also bears mentioning that the horizon is definitely NOT at eye level in an airplane at cruising altitude.
I dont know where to put this, because maybe its completely nonsense - but after watching a bunch of your videos, you seem like a lovely guy and maybe it could help in the future;
the sun has a temperature of about 5800K. we know this because of the colour its emitting, any colder and it would be more red, any hotter and it would start to shine blueish. this direct correlation of colour and temperature can be easily replicated in a lab and is even used to describe the amount of visual warmth that modern led lightbulbs imitate today. if any heat source of that capacity would touch the earth atmosphere, the nitrogen and oxygen in our air would start to form NO2, as this reaction already takes place at about 2 to 3 thousand Kelvin, over 2 thousand K less than the convection heat delivered by a star of said temperature. Not to mention that nitrogen dioxide is responsible for acid rain, its also denser than air (1800 g/l vs 1300 g/l) and would eventually accumulate on the ground, displace the oxygen and suffocate everything as 1000 ppm is already deadly toxic to humans.
the only possible solution for us being alive is a vacuum between earths atmosphere and the sun.
Well their excuse is "nuh uh"
"the sun has a temperature of about 5800K." Surely, you mean the Sun's *surface*, not the entire Sun.
@@Slicerwizard The surface is the easiest part to see, sooo
@@Slicerwizard
i may should have specified, but yes. Was talking about the surface.
I'm actually kind of jealous..
Telling idiots straight to their face that they're idiots sounds like a dream job to me and you are basically doing just that.
Cool business model.
Hey numbnutz; welcome to the fold. You are a Glober. You belieb in all things Globe. 30% of Asians under 30 believe in flat earth because Asians are not as smart as you, narvel. I get to do this on my own time; there are thousands of Glober channels on You Tube filled with people like you--incapable of an independent thought. Dream Job Indeed. Doin Bidness now.
Perspective!!! The go-to answer for everything flerfs don't want to believe or cannot accept!
As an artist it baffles me people get perspective so wrong...
@@Ph33NIXx As someone with a physics degree (although high school physics should be enough), I think flerfers must have never drawn a light ray diagram in their lives.
I am currently studying perspective and only 1 month of learning is enough to realize that these idiots don't know anything about it
@@nerden1549 Or just like being a human being with eyes.
@@benj1008 And those that program realistic video games have to use the same math so that their pictures don't look weird.
Flerf: I reject your reality and substitute my own
well there's yer problem.
I absolutely reject your reality
It's their reality too, they just don't realize it.
“Domain Expansion: Flat Earth!”
“Forbidden Technique: Reality Strike.”
People who know we live on a globe know how to predict a Eclipse because they have a real working model and prove what they done and how they did it, flat earthers can not scientifically predict the next 100 eclipses and prove how they have done it.
Correct. The most they can do is...copy what science has done with the predictions lol
the maya thought its flat and predicted eclipses... nice try doe.
@@Yepbutno-yl5bx The Maya didn't predict eclipses, no. That was a bad Mel Gibson movie.
@@Yepbutno-yl5bx they had their sun go under the earth, so still smarter than you
@@5peciesunkn0wn i just showed to you that predicting eclipses has nothing to do with the model you believe in... so daniel here gets a little smarter because he thought you can only predict them in the helio model.
I love the dog just flops of the chair and hides, almost the moment you say flat earth 😂😂
A variation on this is if you live on the coast. Especially if you have cliffs or a steep descent to the water side. On the north east coast of England, where I grew up, I could stand at the waterline just before sunrise, look back inland towards the west and literally watch the line between the dark and the light progress down the walls of the houses on the sea front. When, from my perspective, the sun had actually risen, I could see the shadow cast by my head on the sea wall in front of me.
The same experiment, and a few more, can also be done on the North Beach of Heligoland island, which has an almost 50m high cliff right behind it and steps leading up to the top of it. It also has a large offshore wind park to the north of it, and you often have ships "parked" with some distance to the island while they are waiting for their time slot to enter Hamburg harbor.
And especially in early summer you have *lots* of bird spotters there, some with tele lenses that dwarf the P900/P1000. Yet none of that can zoom a partially covered ship hull, or the lower parts of a wind turbine, especially those enough far away for their blades to apparently dip into the water every rotation, back into full view. Moving up or down the stairs *does* change the amount of hidden though.
Whenever flefs make that stupid "zoom brings ships back" claim I tell how it doesn't do so there. Usually the response then is crickets and tumble weeds, but one very "creative mind" came up with the idea that "zoom back" does not always work, but only in about one of ten cases ...
You can see it with any tall buildings in a city of skyscrapers too.
@@hartmutholzgraefe My favorite was a flerf who claimed that Lake Ponchartrain was the only place water curved...
I'm still on the North East Coast (East Durham specifically - Billy Elliot Country). I'm lucky enough to live a minute's walk away from the sea front, so I often get the chance to watch the sun come up over the water. It never gets old.
Most of all, I love the time, just after sunset. If you're on the beach, the sun has gone down behind the cliffs, leaving you in shadow, but is still lighting up the sky. On a clear enough day, the sea reflects the brightness of the sky for a while, making it look like mercury.
@@stickiedmin6508 I'm from just up the road really. Northumberland. I can picture exactly what you're describing.
Great video! But I still say observing the sun rise or set across the horizon is the easiest way to disprove flat earthers. The sun would increase and decrease in size based on their idea.
I like flerfs using airplanes for their flat earth proofs, when airplane itself is proof of globe earth. The whole airplane technology is based on globe math and physics and counting on stuff like gravity.
When some flerf will develop an airplane, based only from flat earth math, then fly from Australia to Africa or South America using flat earth only navigation, then they might have a case. But we all know the result...
And that result is using globe math and navigation techniques as demonstrated by all the flerfs in McToon's navigation challenge lol.
First off all, thank you for your amazing videos! I love your educational approach!
Secondly, my thought of the simplest way to prove the earth is a globe, and please correct me if I'm wrong, is the actual horizon itself. I mean, isn't the way that in some conditions we can see a crisp horizon line over the sea a direct effect of the curve? My thought is that if the earth was flat we could never see a crisp horizon line and we would rather see as far as the atmospheric conditions allowed us to.
And again, please correct me if I'm wrong.
You are correct.
Of course, the flerfs try to claim the horizon as proof the Earth is flat lol
Imagining the perspective from another vantage point other than their own is like kryptonite to flat earthers. I've noticed, universally, they are unable to accurately do so.
Having to explain how reflexion works to grown-ups familiar with mirrors is unbelievable
Flat earthers are uneducated and they have no clue.
I really liked the last observation about the sunlight higher than the airplane windows. But you don't have to get into an airplane to see that... I guess a balcony or window at a tall building next to a big body of water, for the sun to set on or rise from, would do the job.
Yeah, I’m under the north-south flight path into Melbourne.
I can see the sun set and then look behind me to see aircraft still in full sunlight. Somehow the “vanishing point” is further away just 500m above me.
The easiest observation is that the moon doesn't dramatically change size. It would have to appear 3x smaller near the horizon than overhead on flat earth. No messing with solar filters, no complaints about being too small to see, no need to get measurements precise, no need to do it on the perfect day.
You forgot the flerfspective, it does magic...
You forgot "Moon is a projection"
Also Moon phases, how do they happen on a flat Earth?
@@AlexGeek Weird thing about that, if i sit in the back of a movie theater, the movie looks smaller
My favorite observation, (though it does require a bunch of things) is from a seaside building going up and down floors will change how far out to sea you can observe ships or islands. Or how much of the ship/landmass you can see. This is similar to seeing a ship go over the horizon, but that requires timing, and can take several hours. From a seaside building you can just go up and down a few floors and you can keep going back and forth in 10-20 seconds on the elevator. Ships at anchorage a few miles out make excellent targets, and you can use any number of phone aps to get their position and distance.
You can do the same from a beach as long as you have some way to raise your height by 5-10 feet. A lifeguard stand is a good option.
That's why many houses built on coasts during the 1800s and early 1900s had "widow's walks", an added platform or even a small room on the roof above the rest of the house that would give you a farther view out to sea. I've seen them in Boston, I've seen them in Auckland, I've seen them in Sydney.
You can also just use a cliff on the shore.
Hi mate, great video as usual! Whilst on the topic of planes, I've had another observation that is easy to confirm to anyone that the earth is 'round' or oblate spheroid, if you will...
Using a tool like ADSB-Exchange and big open space outside, you can check an approaching plane on the radar (before you have visual sight) and check it's Barometric altitude. Normally commercial jets fly constantly at around 36K~ ft. When the plane approaches, the contrails make it look as if the plane is climbing 'upwards', but you can notice that the altitude is constantly at 36ft. As the jet approaches and reaches you, you will notice that the contrails plateau with the horizon. As the jet reaches futher away, you will notice that the contrails and jet look as if it's going 'downwards', yet the altitude remains the same on the flight radar.
For this to work for anyone testing, you just need the flight altitude to be somewhat constant and for you to have clear visibility and for the plane to have a consistent contrail. A simple but good visulistion that anyone can do :)
Flerfers vehemently deny that the vanishing point is at an infinite distance, it is not a physical point in real space. They claim things go behind the vanishing point.
I was baffled when I first heard/saw this explanation because it's just so obviously wrong and stupid that I thought even flerfers couldn't possibly make that claim.
It's a complete misunderstanding of perspective lol. There's one dumbass who claims you can only see 3 miles from "ground/sea to ground/sea looking perfectly horizontal." He really doesnt like it when you ask him for clarification about when you're looking up or down from a height lol. Because according to his claims, we see in...an hourglass shape??
Hi Dave! I was thinking that when you go to Antarctica if you take a time lapse of the 24 hour sun, flat earthers might claim that it is footage from near the North Pole that has been mirror reversed in post. You might want to include an object that is left-right asymmetrical in the frame of the time lapse to prove that the footage wasn’t flipped. That object might be a camera or something, but you might want to make sure that the manufacturers of the object only produce the object in one orientation and don’t make a left-handed version available.
Anyway, I appreciate that you’re out here helping to protect people against misinformation. Have fun in Antarctica!
He talked about this in his earlier video. If he includes footage of, say, a newspaper from the day before, it will be impossible for the footage to have been taken from the North Pole. There won't have been a polar sun there in the time since that paper was published. Dont forget, the north and south polar suns occur 6 months apart, so if you can demonstrate the time you are there, you can easily exclude one of those possibilities.
@@Crazy_Diamond_75 They'll still claim it was faked. If Israel can fake Canadian passports well enough to fool Norway in the 1970s, FLERFs will claim Dan got the "deep state" to fake him up a newspaper.
@@Crazy_Diamond_75he also mentioned having simultaneous recordings of the sun through solar filters so one can see (via sunspots) that they are not inverting a North Pole 24 hour footage. But I guess the claim would then be the results of both could have been inverted…
Might as well, but they''l just scream "green screen CGI fake AAAAAAHHHHHHHHHHHHHH!"
make it an asymmetrical analog clock for added complexity.
Easiest observation: watch the sun set. Done.
Yup. Even better is to observe the moon. It also passes below the horizon, plus it stays the same apparent size all the time instead of getting smaller as it would if it got father away, and you always see the same side of the moon no matter when you look at it or where you observe it from on the Earth.
@dwaneanderson8039 plus you won't hurt your eyes by staring at it.
Watch the sun set in the Sahara desert on a perfectly clear day. Undone.
Eh, as long as you don't have an ocean view, it could still be argued that the landscape/mountains/whatever got in the way.
Also an easiest observation: Time zones
Atmospheric diffraction bends light down, not up. It can't explain light getting under the plane. Perspective doesn't work either. At 6pm local time a 3000 mile sun would be about 20° above the horizon.
And if the ice wall existed, and you could see the sun on the complete opposite end of the ice wall with you standing on it as well, it would only ever get about 7 degrees above the horizon lol.
Which is why asking how the sun crosses the horizon drives them up the wall.
Oh wow. Not a flat-eather, but didn't know about the sun reflection on the underside of the plane. That's cool.
In re the sun on the clouds, when the "explanation" of the sun shining through the clouds came, I went, "And if that was the case, why isn't the sky BLUE then, the way it is in the daytime, when the sun clearly IS above the clouds?"
And then I remembered, Flat Earthers.
Am I misunderstanding something? If the sun was illuminating the clouds from above, then the sun would be directly visible to someone on the ground, wouldn't it?
yes it would clearly the earth is flat
Hey Dave, not sure if you'll see this, but I snapped an interesting pic at work the other day. I'm a helicopter mechanic and I was crewing an aircraft on a fire in Northern Washington, when, just after the sun had set, I took a picture of the shadow of a mountain. How can one take a picture of a mountain's shadow AFTER sunset, you may ask? Well, again, I was fighting a forest fire, lots of smoke in the atmosphere, and there was the shadow, going at an upward angle into the sky. Not sure how that would work on a flat earth. Thoughs?
it's a somewhat rare phenomenon, but in certain locations, quite common.
but the crook who wrote the script flat earthers all parrot from was very PAROCHIAL
Alright, before I watch this, I predict that a flerf will say something stupid…
This is like saying fish are gonna swim...
What a flerfer sees in the airplane example is swamp gas reflecting sunlight from a weather balloon. Flerfers simply cannot imagine anything outside of human scale and fail to recognize that the surface on a huge globe is effectively flat at human scale. Without lies flat earth dies.
There is a flerfer explanation for the phenomenon you point out. The light you describe is not cast from below by the sun but by militant invisible joint-U.N./NASA penguins flying underneath the aircraft shining iPhones in flashlight [or torch] mode upward at their respective undercarriages.
While the globe explanation might be more parsimonious, this hypothesis wins by Occam's Flint Blubber-Scraper.
On the topic of the viewpoint of observers on the plane at about 11:00, Wolfie6020 has videos showing both sun and moon below his aircraft, from the cockpit window. They are actually shown to be below the plane while it is level flight, as demonstrated by the articial horizon on his headgup display.
This is the same relationship as in your examples, just seen from the opposite viewpoint.
My head is still blown that there needs to be a video explaining that the Earth is a globe. A conspiracy of that size would be impossible at levels I cannot comprehend.
Most conspiracies greater than 6 people fall apart because someone talks. This "globe conspiracy" has been a thing for 3k years. That means there's been literally millions of people involved...
Military secrets are regularly getting leaked so people can get their favourite vehicle in War Thunder buffed, it's insane that anyone thinks a conspiracy like this could hold.
Also I just don't understand how flat earthers can explain the sun setting below the horizon. Just like ships. Where's the sun going if the earth is actually flat?
Their usual claim is that 'our eyesight is limited and the sun goes so far that we can't see it anymore.' In reality a sunset is geometrically impossible on a flat earth but flat earthers can't understand this.
"Perspective" is their claim. Which shows how little they actually understand about it.
Great Video.... But I was distracted since all I wanted to do was pet the doggo. ;-)
Nice doggo. Could there be a catto too?
Today I saw a beautiful sunset with the clouds lit from below. I live inland. How do the flat headers explain that?
They claim the sun is lighting them from above. Yes. Even the clouds ten miles from the horizon with the shadows on the wrong side that are too thick to see the sun through during the day...
Planes do fly level they just level off at a designated altitude from the ground and follow the curve of the earth period, so if flerfs try and say anything about the flying level, they don't understand how planes fly
an sometimes they climb up so this obervation is bs...
its debunked move on...
@@Yepbutno-yl5bx not understanding things is not the same as debunking things.
@@Yepbutno-yl5bx |an sometimes they climb up so this obervation is bs..."
And then the level off at a designated altitude. Did you even read?
@@EBDavis111 Yepbutno-yl5bx cant really read too well.
He dropped out of school at about the 8th grade.
@@stuartgray5877 An overly generous assessment!
The motion of sun from rise through noon to sunset. No flerfers can explain how this works on their pizza earth.
Life is hard. For some of us, it's even harder. Your patience with flerfs is quite admirable.
We have something similar to the sunrise/sunset phenomenon you speak of that we will observe on July 16th. We will be flying from Kauai to San Diego leaving Kauai at 10pm and arriving in San Diego at 6:15. We will have sunrise at altitude prior to landing but will be landing prior to sunrise at ground level
If you look at the contrails that a plane leaves behind it... it looks like it's going straight up in the air when you're looking at it going behind the horizon but if you look above yourself the contrails look horizontal instead of vertical then turn around and look in the opposite direction and then it looks like it's going up and down behind the Horizon again right there shows that it's a curve😂 when snipers are shooting at Target a mile away they have to calculate the curvature of the Earth to hit their target but the biggest debunk of flat Earth is solar and lunar eclipses especially the solar eclipse that just happened!!
I was on a plane the other day when the sun was setting and took a picture of the dark land below, the engines and wings lite from below, and the light coming through the window and hitting the ceiling. Just to have the evidence
Sun light on the bottom of planes, tips of mountains/tall buildings being lit first or last during sunset and sunrise, 24 hour sun at the poles during certain times of the year, star trails at the poles, ships disappearing from the bottom up, the curvature of the horizon even at sea level when actually tested, pictures from space, bridges curving with the earth when they are long enough and can take pictures of it.
Does there really need to be any more than that? Flat earth doesnt even have their own model, they think level = flat (it doesnt), you can make a side profile topographical map of a ball and it would be a straight line because every point from the center to the outside of the sphere is equal (or close enough to being equal) that you would end up with a straight line, they proved the globe with their tests.
How long can this go on? Really...
You have the patience of a saint. I've given up on these people long ago.
Dave, regarding the cloud observation myself and others made previously...
You can still see the phenomenon on clouds that are arguably too thick to allow light to diffuse through without muting the intensity of the light. Specifically, larger/thicker clouds whose undersides are clearly illuminated from only one direction (west) and not illuminated on the underside of their easterly fronts. The argument against such perceived illumination being the result of light diffusing through the cloud would be that if that where the case you would expect equal amounts of illumination on the easterly sides as well. That's the only reason I would argue it's just as easy, if not more readily observable in a random pre/post dawn sky.
FWIW, what I've asked flerfs what the cause of this illumination is and they always say reflection... SMH
If you're in a place with a lot of air traffic at sunset, you can often see planes at different altitudes. The lower ones are in shadow, the higher ones are lit up from underneath. This can only be explained by the sun dipping below the horizon. Unless that is you think one is above the sun and one below?😆
How do flat earthers explain that a sundial casts it shadow in a counter-clockwise south of the equator and clockwise in the northern hemisphere?
flat earth explanation for anything:
BAA BAA BAA FLAT
They can't lol. They also can't explain the patterns of the sundial on the ground throughout the year.
I live near an International airport and I am under a flight path. I see this happen on a daily, or should I say nightly basis.
Most of the aircraft are flying West / North West and it is something I find a beautiful sight, especially during Winter with the contrails.
Oh, I am very far inland with no water bodies large enough to reflect onto the plane. It is mostly forest with very little reflection.
Always enjoy your videos, as someone of the elderly persuasion, I at times learn something new or have something brought back to me that I had forgotten. Thank You.
I choose to think guys like this are the real alpha males. He doesn't need to scream his points or talk very fast, he just knows how things work and how to explain things.
"He who must shout 'I am King' is no king." And all that.
if after sunset the sun is too far away for me to see it? how can i see its reflection?
They don’t believe in space lol, they don’t even realize the reason we can see the moon at night is because of the sunlight reflecting off of it
As an American, one of my favorite things about Dave’s videos is his frequent use of the word “whilst”. So fancy! 😊
Whilst isn't a "fancy" word, what the hell? 😂
@@giftofthewild6665 american language education in action i think lol (no offense to the commenter)
@@giftofthewild6665 You need to be careful of mocking the people in the USA for slight differences in use of English. In Eastern England there is often, what is to me, misuse of the word while. Such as using it instead of until as in "I will be away while Tuesday". There are also tales that some people came up to light controlled level crossings where the sign said "Do not cross while lights are flashing" and then waited for the lights to flash before they crossed. I suspect this was just someone pointing out how wrong this use of while is rather than reality though.
lol I just read it in his voice
@@martinconnelly1473 No, real. The language was changed to "if lights are flashing" to avoid the ambiguity (for those speakers) and because it is clearer and shorter.
I love that the first 30 seconds of this video is already proof enough. A sunRISE and a sunSET. But of course that's not enough.
for anyone curious, on this video alone, "yepbutno" has started 61 individual threads... and he has abandoned every single one of them...
curios about where the million of earth photos are?
NASA has done millions and abondend every single one of them + the technology to send humans to the moon + landing vertically somewhere on earth even (they are trying to figure that one out again right now)
good spacecraft engineering but we dont do that anymore... we are more focused on other things atm...
"Can i see the other things?" " no but i am allowed to believe in them..."
globeturds...
@@Yepbutno-yl5bx oh hey, you're back, does that mean you finally found the comercial airliners that can fly without the need of fuel?
@@Alysm-Aviation i dont want to talk to you ids anymore very likely im going to delete my channel...
@@Alysm-Aviation i have other things to do and dont want to talk to cultist believers anymore...
@Dave: FTFE told that you are planning a video about the Antarctis sailing ship race. I can provide you two GPS records of the first 2 winners plus a circumnavigation of a sailing drone. All data in my App where you can make measurements and calculations between any 2 GPS data points. It calculates the distances and speeds for Globe and FE from the GPS data between any 2 points.
E.g. the circumnavigation below the 40 latitude south is for the Globe 27,371 km, for FE 90,971 km, the mean speed for the Globe 28.3 km/h, for FE 94.0 km/h.
@@WalterBislin thanks Walter, I did some rough calculations based on Francois Gabart's split times, but your data could be useful
Could you email it over?
@@DaveMcKeegan i did exact calculations, not just some rough ones... using your sun data and you globturds ignore it to this day...
@@Yepbutno-yl5bx I thought you'd had enough for today? Or did you just want to run away from the planes?
Walter, what do you think about my position that letting fe'rs claim a map/model in the first place is a mistake?
@@Yepbutno-yl5bx I did exact calculations on the map of Earth all fe'rs use to navigate. Turns out... they are the indoctr1nated ones... LOL
After sundown the turtle sometimes uses a reading lamp for bedtime stories and that's where the light comes from. Checkmate globers.
I've always reckoned claiming sunlight refracts upwards would solve some flat Earth problems, including sunset and lit airplane underside. Alas, the only lens in the sky is the atmosphere and its density gradient makes it bend light downwards. Neither can it solve the receding Sun not appearing to shrink in size.
Damn, I was really close that they will go with refraction.
I think they will add that the sun is refracted through the airplane windows.
Or even better, it is refracted through chemtrails of other airplanes.
2024 we're still talking about this nonsense. I want flatbrains to make a flat earth simulator where you can go anywhere on their flat land and it has to reflect reality
I've flown many flights at dusk or right after sunset and can't help but think about how obvious the curvature is.
But did you see that gigantic wave that obscures the plane on the horizon?
@@moon_wobble7782 yeah. And the sun still became visible
Simply by flying in an aircraft, you've led a more interesting, well-rounded life compared to the average flat earther.
@@jeffbeck8993 you'd think these youtubers would travel at least a little.
@@moon_wobble7782 Bro was flying over tsunami's and said nothing :)
Just get a photo from inside the plane looking at the engine of the plane at sunset... it will be lit from below, and shadow'd on top. Many engines have vanes/pitot-tubes/whatever and such on them which will also cast shadows upwards. It totally removes all conversation about aircraft angles, perspective and literally everything
One small correction. At cruising altitude, planes fly with a pronounced nose up attitude, not perfectly level. This is because at high altitude the air is much thinner and in order to maintain level flight, the plane has to fly with a higher angle of attack than it would a low altitude, in order to maintain lift.
It's not flying straight and level like a dart or an arrow. It's flying a bit nose up because the air is so thin.
Kinda shoots holes in flat earthers arguments about planes having to always be going nose down to compensate for earth's curvature.
They're already falling through the air a bit because the air is so thin.
If the Earth is flat, then show the other side of the "flat Earth."
I can only imagine they don't think there's an "other side." Considering they seem to think there's land beyond "the firmament" that continues infinitely (or at least near-infinitely), I would assume they think the depth of the Earth is the same.
If the earth is flat, how thick is it? 😂😂
They think the US navy is out there keeping us from getting to the edge lmao
@@TheSkyGuy77 not as thick as a flat Earther.
You can't get down there as the rockets accelerating the flat earth at 9.8m/s2 would burn you up. Clearly the dome was put there to protect us from the exhaust fumes.
Hey Dave. Just a thought. See if you can borrow a sextant to take to Antarctica, so that you can film Jeran and Whitsitt using it to work out where they are using flat earth maths. They have, after all, told us that celestial navigation works on a flat earth.
Zero chance any of those liars will be going
What I have seen more than once is sunlight streaming in the windows on one side of the plane cabin and illuminating the wall and luggage bins _above_ the windows on the other side.
And looking out confirms that the sun has already set for the people on the ground below.
Ok, if I understand this perspective thing correct, the further from the truth the flerfers are, the smaller their brains gets…
The bigger lie they tell and stick to, the bigger their ego and worship from other flerfs.
That’s not sunlight reflecting off the plane. You know the sun simulator they are going to use in Antarctica for the final experiment? Well they have many of those , and they focus them on the underside of planes and clouds.
I hear they even had to borrow the bat signal two years ago because of the increase in flights. Arkham Asylum had a drastic drop in inmates and subsequently ordered too much food. Go and dig through the landfill like I did and see the evidence for yourself globe sheeples.
/s obviously.
Ahhh...those infamous "they" scoundrels! "They" always seem to make appearances in most conspiratorial theories...don't "they"? 😜
@@joerichardson4325 Oh man. Apparently they are everywhere. Never a shortage of them for sure. And they can do some amazing things. I’d like to meet them sometime. But they’d probably kill me if I knew who they were.
@@ryherm
"They", "them", "those"...overly-pronouned rat bastards!!!
Said this before 4 types of flat earthers a) Recalcitrant, b) Stupid, c) Grifters, d) Wind upers and as for globies just a) Correct
In my skydiving days, one of the best loads of the day were the Sunset Loads. Sometimes the plane would take off AFTER sunset. When you got up to altitude (15 min), which was usually 10,000 feet, the sun would be blazing away and a good 5 fingers, or a hands length high ABOVE the horizon, and LOW and behold (pun intended) complete shade on the ground.
feet🤤
Yeah I had tinted goggles and I always had to take them off under canopy because the sun wasn’t visible anymore.