Watch this Before you Buy a Toyota 2006-2013 (WARNING: Rattle/Knock during COLD START)
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- Опубликовано: 19 авг 2024
- This video is a warning for anyone in the market to buy a Toyota bettween the years of 2006 and 2013. There is a known rattle on cold starts that is a very expensive fix. People describe it as a rattle, metal on metal, knock, or clatter that is loud and aparant during cold starts. If not repaired it could destroy your engine. However, there are MANY MANY people with this problem who have ignored the issue and have continued to drive their car for over 100,000 miles without ANY issues. I have found one person who HAS destroyed their engine resulting from this issue. T-SB-0041-13 You can call Toyota at 1-800-331-4331 if you are having this issue and report a claim. If you are considering buying a toyota in this year make sure you listen for this noise during a COLD START!!! Don't let a dealer tell you it's normal or even start the car before you get there to avoid this noise! The noise has been known to start anywhere from 7,000 miles to 70,000 miles to 150, 000 miles!
Cars that have this issue are Toyota Highlander, Toyota Camry, Toyota RAV4, Toyota Sienna, Toyota Venza. There are others but look out for these!
I have a 08 Highlander with this V6 engine and have changed the oil every 5,000 miles faithfully with full synthetic oil. I've never had this noise on cold starts. Still 15 years later with 243,000 miles it runs like new. Just recently I was getting a puff of blue smoke on startup, most likely from the valve seals getting hard, but after one treatment of AT 205 Reseal, thanks to Scotty's recommendation, the problem is gone!
Bruh our sienna with the 2gr and it has been making this noise since 150k and now it's got 260k and it's still a beast
I am happy for you. What year is your beast?
@@howtodad1358 07
@@TheYotaMan awesome. Hopefully you have lots of service left in it
Cam issue. This isn't a major issue. It's a annoying noise on start up, it won't cause a catastrophic failure. Every Toyota mechanic I talked to has told me this. I know people that had this crop up at 60k and now have over 200k and the noise never went away, but the vehicle is fine.
That's what a mechanic who specialises on Toyota told me as well, apparently no big deal. Still don't like it though. Flushing an engine comes with its own risks though. Scotty k at least says so
@@mwdnasa I wouldn't flush
I got same problem the way i see it its not worth getting it fixed, there is alot involved your better off just driving it until the damn thing breaks down
Yes same we hit almost 200,000 miles been fine
Mine is at 230k regular synthetic oil changes. Seems to make the noise less, most reliable vehicle I’ve owned
I have an 09 rav4 thats done that since 40k miles I'm up to 302k now with no problems
Good to know :)
my Lexus V6Hybrid does that since years now and it runs strong every day now with 260000km with thin 0W20 in it.
Throw some Lucas oil stabilizer in it, mines been doing it for years 06 avalon 280k and still going
I just got a rav4 2013 with 155k Miles on it, that makes that sound, wath oil can i use, and how Many Miles can it go like that..
My lexus 200000km still running with noise
My 2010 rav4 3.5 has been making a similar noise, but it's worse on rainy days. It doesnt go away quickly at all on wet days, but takes time to diminish.
Dont confuse this with another issue I found out about. The AC clutch can have a slow bearing wear that can make an awful sound off and on like this and is common on these 3.5 engines. Been going on since I've had it for past 4 years. Dealer found no issue. I've gotten used to it, but saw another video on here explaining this issue. Made sense.
Sometimes there is no noise at all then rainy day it sounds awful.
Nature of a beast.
Thanks for the honesty. I had an early production '08 Highlander that developed this issue at 48K. Purchased new and dealer maintained, all oil change records. The dealers (3) all lied to me, wouldn't fix it ('couldn't duplicate the problem' - 'it's a truck engine') despite a known TSB at the time. Car also had low-speed transmission float-shifting issues that went away with a rear brake flash recall, blew a high pressure oil hose, also a recall but they fixed that, and lots of rattles. Toyota wanted me to pay almost $6K to fix it (well within warranty) I never saw anything like this so I dumped it at 64K before warranty ran out and got a great price from someone who thought Toyotas were bulletproof. Bad corporate policy. Bye.
Most of them do it. Don’t be alarmed by this video. It’s just the low pressure and some wear of the VVT actuation pin. Only worry if it does it every morning and takes longer than 2 sec to stop. Oil changes and right viscosity do help!
Min does it on every start now for a few seconds exhaust smell is really potent and every blue moon it will let out a big white cloud smoke and I faithfully do my oil changes since I got the car
What year n model. My 2006 highlander. Pls don’t listen him. Toyota design the piston diameter to be small then the combustion chamber. To allow for expansion after the engine warms up. Most engines are built with everything snug. It doesn’t allow for expansion. The Toyota 2005-06 3.3 vvti v6. Tends to leak antifreeze and minor leaks. But v6 3.5vvti 2007-currently is even better.
@@hoktang1mine makes this sound now.. and it leaks antifreeze during the winter. I thought it was leaking from the radiator drain plug..
@@shauntebrown520smoke on start up and random is from leaky valve guide seals. Only happens when the engine is stopped with the valve in just the right position to leak into the cylinder. Not a big deal. Never burns enough to effect the oil level.
I have a 2006 solara convertible that does this exact problem. I've tried marvel mystery oil and lucus and I use mobile 1 oil. I got this car from my mother-in-law for free with 184,000, it has done this since I got it. I thought maybe when the timing belt was done it may have been off a tooth, but when I did the timing belt at 200,000. It was were it was supposed to be. I just turned 251,00 and the car still runs great. It can be loud as hell at times and cause people to look, but it runs flawlessly. If it should go, depending on my situation maybe just throw a junkyard engine in it for about a $1000 or scrap it, but for free to a car that has given me 67,000 miles, no real complaints here except for principle, Toyota engines aren't supposed to do this, stupid problems are reserved for American cars. Lol.... and I know that personally, I own a Corvette, cool car, but what a headache. If u own a Toyota that does this don't sweat it, but avoid buying one with this known issue, unless it's a super good deal, $1000 or less. Just my 2 cents, I love Toyota and Lexus, best cars for the money, no car company is perfect, but Toyota is pretty damn close.
I have a 2007 Toyota RAV4 V6 that I've been driving with the cold start rattle for over two years. Current mileage is 115K miles. Gradually, it got to the point that the rattle occurred with every cold start. This issue is primarily focused on the VVT gear assembly and oil control valve, along with the recall on the VVT oil line (replacing the rubber with an all-metal line). Not sure how the poster is mixing in loose bolts on the VVT cover (not an inherently related issue) coming loose.
The decision point on getting the 'time bomb' 2GRE cold start rattle issue fixed is one's overall view on keeping the car as well as the overall vehicle serviceability. Indeed, it is expensive because of the size of the V6 in the engine compartment requiring it to be removed. While the parts themselves are comparatively cheap (using ONLY Toyota OEM or AISIN), it's 20 hours labor to remove the engine, effect repair and replace the engine. In my case, this car is the best vehicle I've ever owned, and its 2GRFE V6 engine is probably the best V6 made by anyone ... ever. It's just that, unfortunately, the 2GRFE (and other 2GR variants) had the 'birth defect' of the VVT problem from years 2006 through 2012. Otherwise, I've taken immaculate care of the vehicle and for its years, it is low-mileage. I am keeping this vehicle, no matter what other vehicle I might purchase, and on that note, any new vehicle I'd want to purchase equates to an eight to 12 month wait. So, rather than sit on the time bomb for upwards to a year, I am "repurchasing" my own 'quality pre-owned' car by having its repairs done. This includes new lower front control arms and front struts because they were due anyway, and insofar as the VVT repair, since the engine is out, I'm due new spark plugs and a new water pump.
I have a great independent repair shop, including a Toyota specialist with 40 years experience. The vehicle went into the shop on August 14th, and after waiting a week and a half for the VVT gear assembly to be sourced and delivered, I picked her up on the 25th. Rattle gone, engine is strong, quiet and I can wait out the sh*t show of the new car market. How much did that cost? $6,800.00 for another 100k+ miles. These 2d Gen RAVs are among the best cars Toyota ever made; the V6 still gets around 27mpg hwy/24 city and I just couldn't rationalize, "skipping it" for the sake of infotainment, lane keeping assist and blind spot monitoring in something new at $40k and up.
I can imagine repairing it is a good deal vs buying a new car, but man is that an unfortunate and expensive repair and would probably sting greatly if you didn't expect it in a Toyota
Any car with a timing chain I think you are better off to change the oil a lot more than It calls for.
Correct...4.0 V6 oil change instead 10k miles do it at 6-7k miles. It's only 5.2Liters and filter and it could be done by a child to be honest...
5k oil changes with a good synthetic oil .
No. The issue is that the VVTi gear doesn’t retain the oil at the top of the engine because of a stuck pin.
Scotty Kilmer on you tube has never mentioned this problem
He never mentioned the bad torque converters on 2012 Camry’s either
This is for a 4 cylinder
My 2009 tacoma started this in cold weather about a year ago, now its a regular sound at every new start up, then goes away. My truck has 265k miles on it and it started at 250k i think. I plan to have an engine rebuild at 300k thanks to this video, fingers crossed! :)
I have had my 2008 Rav4 for a month, it has 116,000 on it and it is doing this!!! I literally want to cry cuz I saved up for a new vehicle for almost a year and I finally found one that checked off all the boxes for me. I thought "wow, it's a toyota, with 116,000 on it??? This will last me for years!!!" and now I see all of this bullshit!!! FMFL
My rav has been making this noise for 100k miles. Never had a single problem with it. I got an awesome deal on it 7 years ago.
Currently has 211k on it.
Their engines are built like a tank and can handle abuse but it doesn’t sound healthy.
I got mine at 90k been doing it. 130k now
My Rav4 3.5 has 273k on it. Makes this noise randomly at cold start ups. Runs like the day it was new.
I asked my mechanic about the ticking and he said it was normal. It sounds like a mini diesel engine when cold but it drives awesome. I'm changing the spark plugs and doing a full tune up soon, that should help. Lucas oil in the gas tank will help too.
Did that tune up fix the knocking
I wish I saw this video before I bought my 2007 Rav 4 v6. The noise started 8k miles ago it now has 157k . Just like your highlander sometimes it’s quite while other times it’s very loud! Does not matter what season or type of oil, Parked For two minutes or two days. Ironically a few times it sat for 7 days, and NO noise on start up.
How's the car doing now?
I got one, driving for 8 years now. The only major thing is “ Excessive oil consumption , and Emission purge valve “ replaced once. Beside they rust very badly. The noise been there for the entire 8 years. Just one difference is I always, always changed the oil myself with full synthetic oil . I don’t trust garages change oil for me. Most of my cars remained free of headaches with proper maintenance.
Doing your own work is always best! :)
corolla 2010, with the rattle in cold start, makes the noise sometimes..., no problems at all, still going strong and reliable, 160,000 miles
My brand new 2017 Corolla powered by the 2ZR-FE engine started doing this on my second oil change after accumulating 10,000 kms. Toyota, in my country, refused to acknowledge this as a problem, terming it as being 'normal' and refused to fix it under warranty. That's despite following a strict maintenance regime as per the guidelines in the owner's manual and warranty book. Always purchased TGMO and genuine air and oil filters and had the maintenance carried out from Toyota 3s dealership. It's still low mileage and only makes the rattling sound when started cold or if it has sat for at least 2 hours; only 31000 kms on the dial. That's like 19000 or so miles. Still brand new. No performance issues at all... runs like a clock. Having said that, there's always this fear at the back of mind that something might go wrong. And that's driving me crazy! No more Toyotas for me in the future.
I have this issue on my 2012 Camry. It only happens when it's cold outside and has been sitting a long while or overnight, and it only does it once until it sits again for a long while. When it's warm like now, no rattle whatsoever even after sitting overnight. I've tried to get this fixed recently and the dealership can't duplicate the noise.
Thanks..Mine did this rattle pretty loud twice..Have 150k on it.Check engine light,came on one of the times.Shut car off and then restarted.Had no idea what the noise was.Guess I know now.
Check your owner's manual regarding oil capacity. If it states 6 quarts, make sure whoever does your oil changes put in 6 quarts. Very few shops do this. They put in 5.
6.4 quarts for the 3.5
bought a used one at 150,000 miles mines have been making this sound at start up until I started putting full synthetic oil hasnt been making these sounds been quiet and buttery smooth now coming up on 200,000 miles and no problems.
I'm glad i read the comments. My 2007 Rav just started doing this and this video has me worried.
Thank you you're absolutely right. This happened to my 2009 rav4 too started sometime 2 weeks ago right @ 150k with no e stop rattling noises from the engine.
Was it the 3.5 6 cylinder? Thnx
I'm so glad I went with a Honda CRV when I was looking for a Winter vehicle. I was debating whether or not to get a Toyota Rav4.. My 2000 Honda has 183k.. and runs so smooth!
Honda's are well know to have the same problem. You are dancing with the Devil.
So after watching this I've also found I have this issue at 103k our mechanic told us that the main issue is people not using the correct oil, or do it themselves and don't do it properly, so far it hasn't really affected anything but it's annoying as hell forst start up. Has anyone found a fix to this without the 3-5k? Tia
I'm confused, you have a V6 and you're showing images of a tsb for a 4 cylinder?
Crickets man.
The 4cyl has the same issue for 2006-2012, buyer beware. Make sure you can hear the vehicle cold-started upon your initial inspection. As in, dead cold. Also make sure you check the transmission dispatick for the color of the trans fluid. Many times this is never changed by the dealership when the vehicle is maintained under warranty. If the trans starts slipping or having issues then you are just as screwed as if your engine blows up.
My 2008 Highlander with the 3.5L engine had this same issue at around 60,000 miles until my husband switched from the recommended 5W-20 oil to full synthetic 0W-20. He used Mobil 1 but other brands may work as well. We now have 126,000 miles on it and still no issues with the noise.
i have the noise but no issue with 0W20 in my V6 Hybrid
Dynno hut 2grs generally take 5w30
@kubanskilloewe you changed from what to 0w20??
@@wilsonemeka1833 5W-20
Good thing i stumbled on this. I guess it is a problem on mine as well. Not sure about the blowing up part though. Many toyota people i know say it doesn't break the car
Yeahhhh, I was told by MULTIPLE mechanics, including the Toyota dealership in Pullman, that this was super common and mostly harmless and now my 08 Highlander has jumped timing and lost compression in 2 valves. Thank you for the info in the description! I used it this morning to file a claim with Toyota. We'll see if they want to help. The quotes to fix it are 5-7k. 🤦
Oh no!! You’re the second person I’ve come across where this actually did damage :( I’m so sorry about that!
@@JRESHOW, yep. Talked to a Toyota claim manager or whatever and they aren't going to do shit. They won't even admit it's a problem even after I pointed out that the very existence of the service bulletin admits that they know it's a problem. I think the real issue at hand is that the repair is so incredibly expensive in labor costs that they're going to quietly wash their hands of the entire thing.
@@krhutchison77 I’m really sorry to hear that. Do you notice a big difference with the compression lost and is it still drivable? Mines gotten a lot worse but no other symptoms and I’m over 180k now. Hope things get better somehow.
@@JRESHOW it's not running at all right now. Down for the count.
I experienced this on my 2012 Highlander. Drove 50,000 miles with the issue and fixed it at 174,000 miles. Fixed the issue for $2K, to include a new timing belt. Still driving this Highlander and have 218,000 miles on it now. Have an import mechanic do the job, not the dealership. Changing oil and dumping chemicals into your engine isn’t the fix.
If anyone is interested....there is a mechanic on RUclips that says to change the small orings to the vvti oil passages that are under the valve covers and it will fix the issue. Instead of pulling the valve covers, I ran a bottle of AT 205 RESEAL through the engine to recondition the seals. Ever since I did this my car hasn't made the noise at all.
It's the same person who made this video.
How much did you put in?
@@83adubJust followed the directions on the bottle.
Keep driving it won't hurt. I had same noise since 100 k miles ago. It's oil pressure build up delay in timing chain tensioner. Many Nissan also have this problems, better stick with 0W20 and very rarely cause issues. Just oil pressure build up delay
Hyundais, too...I was told all OHC engines do this on start up. Lifters are at near collapse until oil pressure builds in them to close the gap between vlave stems and rockers, any other pressure activated engine component. Keep good clean oil in it, and you shouldn't have any serious problems. 312,000 miles on a 2004 xg350...still runs fine after a short rattle at start up.
@@chrisrobinson8610 it is the vvti sprocket that need to be changed. If it starts rattling for more thn 5 seconds, we definitely need to replace it before it grenade the engine
@@rondhole 2 sec max on my rattle, and only on cold start.
@@chrisrobinson8610 there are 2 things that can cause it in V6 Toyota but both deadly. The pin on the vvti sprocket can come off and destroy the engine. The 2nd one is the sprocket itself disintegrate and destroy the engine. I am not sure in Hyundai but often this rattle if it is more than 5 seconds, it is time to fix if properly.
@@chrisrobinson8610 my rav did it on very cold starts 5 years ago started using full synthetic and Lucas gas treatment upper engine treatment and stopped doing it it’s caused by oil thickening
My wife's Lexus GS350 did the same thing, camshift gear. Believe or not...Lexus fixed it and the car was out of warranty.
Toyota in there v6 3.3L vvti. They are designed with the piston diameter slightly smaller than the combustion chamber. It is by design. After your engine warms up. The piston and combustion chamber snug right up. This is the slight engine tick. When the engine block is cold.
Traditional engine are built with snug piston and combustion chamber. They don’t allow for the thermal expansion. Whereas Toyota is designed with this in mind.
My 08 highlander has same problem.it came with this problem and i thought this is flywheels noise.but after watching this video I find out i’m a loser.anyways now 185k miles is on it and car works perfectly.I hope the engine do not destroyed.thank you and sorry about my bad english.
Wish I had seen this before purchasing the rav4 I just purchase. Goodness!
Keep an eye on the oil level and you should be ok. I’m over 200k miles now and still running strong..
@@JRESHOW I appreciate it thanks for the tip
09 Toyota Highlander 2.4l 4cyl
Started with the rattle at 140k and sounds slightly worse at 196k
The cam phaser replacement, if your timing chain and tensioners are still in good shape from regular 5K oil changes, costs about $1300. If your mechanic wants to replace the timing chain, tensioners, etc. “while he’s in there”, then your $3.5-5K cost figures (the book rate hours for a timing chain replacement are about 20 hrs.), are about right.
I'd bet it's just an idler pulley. Take off the serpentine belt and start it. I betcha it's very quiet proving the sound is outside the engine.
Thank yo so much for posting this! I will never buy a Toyota again, ever! I have a 2012 Rav4, 130,000 miles, and it started doing this two weeks ago! I live in the California Desert. Blessings! 😇
Adrian Becker can you confirm all oil changes completed on time per manual recommendations?
Hahaha!!! Because other manufacturers build their cars sooo much better!!!
I feel the same way!
nathan worley: sorry I missed your reply. Yes, all oil changes and maintenance are done per manufacturer’s recommendation. It’s stil making that loud rattling noise when starting up in the morning. 😇
This isnt common for toyota. Try buying a chrysler or chevy and see how many issues you have instead. Good luck going over 20k in a chevy without electrical issues.,
I think my 07 is doing this but I'm getting my recalls repairs tommorow .
Does Toyota recall you regarding this or you contacted them yourself? Thanks
@@KhanhNguyen-xj6qv everything has been repaired yes, had a gasket leak so I had to fix that myself.
Also make sure the seller can document 5000 mile oil changes. That’s the #1 cause of this cam rephrasing gear issue. (VVT).
Clean the oil screen over the banjo fitting of the oil line that goes into the top of the motor. Clean vvt solenoids. Replace valve cover gaskets but primarily just so you can replace the double O Rings under the valve covers around the oil passageways. These conponents get clogged/leak and the vvt system doesnt get the proper lubrication and oil pressure needed so you get this sound at cold start. Common problem. Common engine. Nothing to be alarmed about but it can damage your vvt system if not addressed
My own is Rx 350 2008model 2GR engine it make sound after offing the engine for at least 1hr and restarts
My highlander has never done that and it’s at 200k miles
Its also possible that your cam(s) are warped or damaged
Great video and info!! I may have a fix my neighbor has a 2013 Highlander V6 Limited 230 thousand miles Mostly highway he’s taking care of his truck the whole life or changes tuneups air filters and he came over to me about a week ago with this problem and I said well sounds like the timing chain Slappin well then I did a little research and saw your video and I said maybe not. One of the things that I have done for years in my wife’s car and my trucks and my cars because every time I change the oil I’ll take a half a bottle of seafoam and I pour it in with the oil to help keep the inside of my engine clean and it does a damn good job at it. So I ended up changing oil putting are installed a half a bottle of seafoam he ran the truck for three days and it sounded like the noise was almost gone so I said let’s change the oil one more time and let’s put some more seafoam in it that’s what I did the noise is about gone and I think if he drives it for another week or so it maybe will be gone!! Instead of thicker oil you need something that’s going to get in there and help lubricate and clean any sludge or anything else that’s around that pen and I think this might be the trick I’ll keep you updated in the next couple of weeks and let you know if the noise come back or stays the same or goes away thank you sir
My mechanic tried that last year in my Rav 4, it worked for 11 days.
So, did it work. My 09 Corolla is driving me crazy.
I talked to a family member who is a mechanic and he said to do this exact same thing. I’ll test it out on my next oil change
How did it go?
It's stupid how these guys say they would give update and then ghost everyone. Very stupid
My 2008 Toyota highlander 70k miles V6 2GR-FE engine does the same thing . But not on cold start , usually when vehicle seats after driving for few hours, that's when it's happen.
Mine too! What why is that?
@@JRESHOW I've heard people say , don't worry, car can go 300k miles with this issue , but I think if can stretch timing chain, and then it's a big problem.
Mine too. 145k and it's common on 2GR-FE.
It's not that hard to fix yourself, and please don't pay that much for the fix. A new engine is less than what this guy paid. He probably just got ripped off. But if you maintain your engine oil and change it from the start, you'll be fine. Don't buy someone else's problems, though.
I was looking at a 2005 avalon that was doing this. It had a 3.5l so I am very happy to know this
Does this concern the 2011 iv never had any issues
2 treatments of seafoam engine oil flush fixed my 2007 rav4 v6 with 200k miles. Put 1/2 can of seafoam 250 miles before oil change. Before that I have had this noises for at least 3 years and 40k miles. I think what it did was unsticking the cam lock pin that gummed up with sludge and varnish. It has been at least a couple months now since I last heard the rattle noise. Now I think if I had left the sea foam in longer it would probably had acted more quickly.
Going to try this thank you!
How long did it take after you put the sea foam in? Did the noise stop before you changed the oil?
JRESHOW the frequency of the noise occurrence dropped right after I put 1/2 can in the oil the first time. I left it in for 250 miles before I changed out the oil. But the noise returned as soon as I did that. I drove another 4500 miles and put the rest of the 1/2 can of sea foam 250 miles before the next oil change. The same thing happened. Lot less noise for that 250 miles and noise returned right after oil change. I been using pennzoil ultra 5w30 and TOYOTA filler the last 7 years. However not until a few weeks later I suddenly realized I didn’t hear that start up noise anymore. And the noise has been gone since then. I ran 1/2 can of sea foam once more for 250 miles before the change just for the hack of it. I think sea foam must have loosen up some gunks and varnish because the new oil with only 30 miles has turned brown rather quickly when I took a look under the oil cap. Now I have been without the noise for a couple months now without sea foam, just pennzoil ultra 5w30.
I should probably have left sea foam in oil longer than 250 miles. Sea foam says it can be added at anytime before the oil change. It probably would have eliminated the noise more quickly.
The used oil filters didn’t look any more dirtier than before so I think most of the gunks and varnish were dissolved into the oil not caught by the filter.
Patrick L thanks a lot for all that! It gives me a much better explanation :). Going to add the sea foam foam now at 2k (on the oil) and run it till 3k and then change the oil. I’ll update with my results!
@@JRESHOW Did you try it yet?
So much for Toyota reliability. I do believe the Japanese build reliable engines and cars but I find it ridiculous when people put blind faith into a brand. I have often heard people bash BMWs here in North America but guess what, while living in Europe, I personally had a 2005 BMW 120d with almost 312000kms without any issues and then had one of the newer 2016 120d and had it running like a clock without any issues until approx 160000kms.
Another Japanese manufacturer that has issues is Mitsubishi and even Honda (particularly their automatic transmissions).
Just don't go blindly for a Japanese car or manufacturer, research into the specific model, year and engine/transmission options you are looking for. You will be surprised how some times a European car is better built and more reliable than a Japanese car.
You are lucky then, because all euro cars i had like VW Golf that is now on 350k kms i have probably completely rebuilt it from top to the bottom. I can't sell it now because of how high the cost it was to invest in it it does not have a resale value as high as that. So i'm basically married to that Golf
really need a recall on this mine has been doing this for the longest.
I just looked at a 2004 highlander today and it was a loud rattling when I first started it up .
I’ve had this same rattle now for 4 years on my 2012 Highlander with 182,000 miles
How's your Highlander running now? I have the rattle for months now, but noise is constant at low rpm. Not sure how risky the problem is, and has me wondering what to do about it. Fantastic vehicle, 2011 Highlander with 2.7 4 cylinder. 268,000 miles and would love to make it to 300k and higher.
@@CarlLoop any update?
@@nathanvainio7740Hello Nathan, still a daily driver, and still making the rattle noise while sitting in gear at low RPM (under 1000 RPM), or when accelerating from low RPM. The rattle happens when car is cold or when car is warm. I've replaced serpentine belt tensioner and checked all pulleys before putting on a new belt. Also, noise still happens with no serpintine belt on. Now looking elsewhere: engine mounts, oil control valve, and internals (timing chain tensioner, cams, valves, etc). Have had 2 mechanics look and listen, but no solid solution so far... By the way: No engine lights or diagnostic codes showing up. Welcome thoughts, ideas... Cheers
@@CarlLoop thank you for the update. Hope you can get a edible diagnosis on it.
2010 Corolla started at 47,000 but now has 110,000. Good info tho man. I thought it was a stuck starter.
Change oil and filter every 5K miles. Most problems are lack of regular maintenance.
My '06 Sequoia has over 209k miles, starts and runs like new.
mine led to an engine rebuild. Started off throwing 3 codes, and the work began with replacing spark plugs to replacing cylinder 1 coil pack, which led to another mechanic where I had 8 valves replaced starting from the first cylinder. 30K miles later the issue just returned. I didn't pay much attention to the cold start rattle, should have. cylinder 1 again fails a compression tests (110psi when it should be no less than 140psi) My mechanic now thinks it's an ignition issue with too much heat being created/heat not pulling away fast enough. I'll have to show him this video for his opinion.
What modle car do u own bro?
@@rabzjatt3590 09 limited. Turned out to be Cylinder 4 having a small imperceptible dip all the way around near the top of the cylinder allowing for air to seep out. Of course the Cylinder 1 had to pick up the slack. The engine has since been replaced.
To recap. I had an engine rebuild in 2018, and then the engine was replaced in 2020 because of the same issue.
My moms 08 rav4 does this with 136,000 miles on it
The v6 3.5l toyota engine actually has a lot of problems. And no it is not the rattle on start up. Its not catastrophic as stated in the video, thats bs. You need to be more worried of headgasket $4k repair, and rear timing chain and timing cover oil leak problems, $4k repair. Most people just scrap the car or get a used Japanese engine.
The 2.7l toyota engine is far superior to the 3.5L , and the 2.7l will outlast cheaper to fix better mpg than the 3 5l. So get 2.7l highlander rather than the 3.5l
Also Stretched timing chain. They have no kms when its due in the book. States replace when required. 👍
Welp, my 2018 Toyota Highlander had a recall. So, to took it in. They said they didn’t have a fix for it and gave me $30,500 towards my new 2020 Toyota Highlander. Problem fixed I guess🤷🏿♂️. Sometimes in life ya just gotta bake a cake and add strawberry frosting on top. That always makes me feel better. 💆🏿♂️
Wow, I'm surprised they gave you such a generous compensation.
Crack money still good at car dealerships. Thank Reagan!
Yeah mine did that noticed it occasionally not every cold start...sold at 222k+ miles still running pretty good seems like just a design flaw nd the engine will last for many many years and miles with the noise most likely. I did have a oil leak at the end so not sure if it was related. I did lose all my engine oil twice when driving from the oil line that eventually was recalled....so that didnt help the engine at all for sure.
My 2010 Toyota Corolla just started making this noise yesterday. I turned off the car after the first startup to see if it would do it again and it didn’t. Then made the noise again later in the day on my way to work. It was a little concerning and that’s why I’m here 🤦♀️ also checked oil and transmission fluids and both were fine
Did you fix it or is it still making that noise?
That TSB is for the 2AR-FE, not the 2GR-FE engine.....
mine makes that noise so it is for that too
@@maxbrewer8694 It’s literally not though. That’s not how TSBs work lol
Try some amsoil 0w20 signature series (only the signature series) and 1/2 bottle of STP synthetic oil treatment (gold bottle).. it reduced the noise in my sisters car by 90%
Mine started at 60000 miles, called Toyota with TSB Number and got some BS Excuse....but I do know people have had this replaced not by the dealer and it was not that expensive. The part itself is more like 100$. If u know a good honest mechanic it’s a two hours job.
What??? All quotes I got were over 3k! What is the name of the part that is 100 bucks? What year car?
Sounds right since the TSB itself says 2.6 hours for a mechanic to do the repairs, so it clearly shouldn’t be thousands.
Thats exactly what my highlander does!! I've been to the mechanic twice and they said they couldn't fix it because they couln't re-create it. So fustrating and sort of embarassing that it's so loud.
Right! Same here. Ugh. But sounds like an expensive repair.
It’s embarrassing driving a pos old Highlander/Camry or whatever to begin with
Exact same issue on my 2012 Highlander. I took it to a local mechanic that specializes on imports. It took a few days to get fixed, to include a new timing chain. My highlander runs perfect. I drove with this issue for 50,000 miles, got it fixed at 175,000 miles, I now have 219,000 miles on it. It was worth it to me to bite the bullet and get it fixed.
The problem your worry about is a disign in the engineer of the engine.
After you drive your vehicle to the shop your vehicle is warm.
The design of Toyota engines the 2005-current v6 3.3 vvti. The entrance are design with the Pistons being slightly smaller than the combustion chamber. Does this allows for thermal expansion after your engine warms up. After your engine warms up, the tick goes away.
Traditionally, the engine is designed with the pistons and the combustion chamber snug, which does not allow for thermal expansion. Which leads to earlier engine failure.
The noise is why I am getting rid of my Rav4. It has been bothering me for the te. Yesrs I have had it. My 2003 Forerunner is beat up, but it runs like a gem. I'm tired of spending money on insurance for 4 cars; two of which may need engines. I also can't park in my garage with 4 cars. My husband insists on having a third car, just in case one breaks down. We bought s dud and did not make a smart decision. Less is more.
I have the same rattle and it bothers me. One time i accidentally overfilled the engine oil by 200ML and decided i wasn’t going to remove them. I noticed it didn’t rattle after that lol. Comes back though after few thousand miles when engine looses some oil. thats when i know to add another 200ml of oil.
Interesting! Ours made the noise until 210,000 and then my wife totaled it… it was still running strong tho besides that noise.
My 2010 Corolla made that noise and I just traded it in for a 2019 Kia Forte.
Can you change the gear and solve it I have the same issue on a 2009 Toyota Highlander hybrid 😔?
Mine started around 230,000 now it has 355,000 miles noise has gotten a lot louder
We got one with 200k makes the noise once in a blue moon, I'll see if I can keep u guys updated
I got 2011 sienna LMT. It noise sometime at start up. but I knew it was the valve tapping noise. sometime it warm up and it is gone. But when it warmed up it is very quiet. I used 0-30 not 0-20 per toyota recommended. I do not care any more. I flushed the engine oil 3-4 times and it is still noise. Toyota is not very quiet engine any more. I bought it used and I put 20k miles since it was 119k. I drove it more than 2 years. The cam gear noise when first started is exactly what you said in the video, because the oil was drained back to the pan. I hate this, I think Toyota intended to make this cheap cam gear causing the oil drain back to the oil pan or quality control is sucked and bad parts are out there. To replace all 4 cam gear, VVT-i cam gear is alot of money. because of the labor and parts. But even it's been repair. the repair warranty is only one year. It is sucked.
Toyota switched for 0W-20 oil in 2011 . They was using 5W-30 before on the same 3.5 V6 engines. So I'm thinking to try 0W-20 on my 2008 Highlander instead of 5w-20. I have also 2012 Highlander working perfectly fine and very quiet .
Good point! I’m about due for a oil change so I may try the same! Let me know how yours does after the 0w-20
How did it go?
i use 0W20 in My Lexus V6 Hybrid....runs great ; only with 120mph on autobahn on hot days it burns a little bit oil; thats ok ,imho. i call that engine really bulletproof so far !
It's funny how people say they are gonna try something and then ghost and not give any updates no more. It's messed up
@Wilson Emeka dude, I'm not a dispatcher at RUclips. 0W-20 OK for 2008 Highlander, did not see any pros or cons. Only good thing is I don't need to buy different types of oil every time, all my cars 0W-20. Costco is the cheapest, good luck
My 2011 RAV4 does this also. On a cold start. it's loud as shit.....sounds terrible! You hear engine knocking for just 1 or 2 seconds, then it sounds fine. It's got 180k miles on it now and started doing it at about 120K?...maybe 100k, not sure but it's been a while! It actually has a few issues with noise which are also pretty common from what I'm hearing...
I have a 2014 Toyota Camry and my mom Has. 2013 Toyota RAV4 both with the 4cyl engine. And they both make that sound Toyota say they can’t replicate the sound. Seems like everyone is having this problem I’m just going to live with it.
Wrong TSB for your engine.
My 2011 Toyota camry makes this EXACT noise.. And I am starting to notice that sometimes the car will not start for a couple turns, does your do this???..... Are you saying if I take it in now, that it would cost that much??
And I might add it only does this on cold starts NOT once it's warm.
Have a 2008 Highlander and this DEFINITELY happens. Not only that it leaks oil now. A mechanic said it could be engine seals which is also gona cost a ton of money. Anyway...nice vid
It's 13 years old I mean really lol
Mine's at 400 K km (240 K miles?) and keeps on ticking and clacking.
I have a Toyota Highlander and it makes that sound I had no idea what it was until now….. so my question is do you think a engine flush will help it or make it worse?
2010 highland hybrid same problem what's problem how to fix?
I have a 2011 Rav4 with the same issue. It's at 160,000 now. It had 129,000 when I bought it. The dealer say it was nothing. I had him take it to the garage he takes his cars to and, they said the same thing!!! Liars!!! Now it's at 160,000 and, the rattle is constant!!! Covid completely destroyed my credit so, can't even trade it in!!! My finance company said to get it diagnosed and, apply for a refinancing. Doomsday is Monday when I see what the total cost is going to be!!!! Where do I sign to get on the list???lol!!!
Just fit a switch to cut out the ignition for 30 seconds so it still cranks but does not fire. The oil pump will send oil to the top of the motor at low cranking speed. Then start as normal once the top of the engine is oiled up. Problem solved.
And you are going to be doing that all the damn cold starts? Wouldn't that wear off your starter or battery or even the crank motor??
That’s retarded.
I bought a pre-owned 2017 a few months ago with 19000 kms (11,000 miles). It makes the same sound at start-up for a second or two.
I had a Nissan 240 that made the same sound got worse over time, it was the timing chain. The Nissan had over 300,000kms however, and very few oil changes (my bad).
I learned my lesson, synthetic oil and on schedule. So my question is could it be the timing chain with such low kms and frequent oil changes? I hope not timing chain $$$$$$$
Nissan has had problems since early 2000's when they sold out to Renault. For years Nissan made the best engine on the market (VQ30) but when they made it a (VQ35/40) its been crap ever since due to low grade chains, rings and bearings in them. My nephews been a Nissan mech 25yrs and told me all about it, drives nothing but Toyota's now btw.
I have two VQ30 engines today with over 300k miles that never burn oil, never made cam/chain noise, never had early timing belt/chain failure but the VQ35/40 are built with very low grade parts through and through after 2000 and it is what it is!!! They were sued over it but never changed anything but how things are written to cover they're arse. Still junk oil burners today just like Mitsubishi has been for decades who btw is also owned by Renault! Imagine that....
www.nissantimingchainsettlement.com/
A lot of “ifs” I would ignore it. Not a problem.
With every oil change add a bottle of Lucas.
What oil would you recommend? I'm running 5w40 at the moment.
All vvti will develop this rattle when the vvt oil gallery screen has debri in it. So change the screen and do oil changes. No gamble
Ive had the same start up rattle on my Highlander since 2014. Nowti has 380,000. I just ignore it now.
Does it seem to get worse? Mine makes a strange noise especially when it’s hot, almost like the chain is going to fall off lol
Was this noise and the oil cooler line repaired for 2012 to 2013? Or should the second generation be avoided altogether?
Lucas has its place but never run Lucas in a newer car especially in colder temps. Todays cars have a hydraulic timing chain/belt tensioner your oil must flow very easily through or it fails to fully extend fast enough on startup. By not fully extending quickly enough it allows an engine to jump time and is catastrophic on interference engines, today most engines are interference. In fact all Nissan engines are interference design. The colder the temp is, the thicker the oil is so the slower the oil flows, do not gamble on it just over some noise.
New oil and you be fine replace the oil👍👍
That's normal. Once the oil lubes the chain the sound goes away.
I’d call it more like common. Mine didn’t do it once until about 150k miles. Some start sooner, some later. But it is very common. Sound does go away once oil runs though.