Car Care Nut you are my hero. I have a 2013 Rav4 AWD with a 2AR-FE engine. Rav4 has just over 80k and has the noticeable cold start rattle. I'm an ASE-certified mechanic but left the auto industry long ago to work on aircraft instead. Your attention to detail and experience give me the confidence to tackle these types of repairs to help my Toyota live a long happy life. Thank you.
As an Assyrian Christian from Iraq, I love all the work you do, and it makes me so proud someone from my country who is a Christian doing all the best he can do to succeed is succeeding while at the same time putting his faith in his work and his religion and sharing it to the world. I am completely proud of all the progress you’ve made throughout the beginning of your channel. May the Lord bless you and keep you too!
With all due respect, unless most other Assyrian Christians are scam artists, what does the religion have to do with anything? I don't give a sh*t about jesus or religion in general but I have pride in my job and integrity like my father thought me. That's all you need to do the job honestly and correctly.
@That V8 Life that’s not really a valid argument though. Let’s be real here. Unless you’re going with a GR product, you’re not buying a Toyota because you want an “ impressive “ car. You buy it because there’s a solid chance that it will literally outlast almost every other brand you can compare it to. Having a “ fun “ car stops being “ fun “ when it starts breaking down unless you either have enough money to throw at whatever issues keep popping up or unless you have enough money to just throw the whole car away and buy a new one altogether
@@shyro76 I have a friend that has replaced his transmission and engine already in his Toyota. Prior to that he had other major repairs. Anyways , he drives his car like a rental. So abuse a car and it will wear down faster.
A cheap fix that worked for Me. AMD is a true Toyota Master Diagnostic Technician indeed. I have learned a lot from this Man's videos, and much appreciate his contributions to You Tube. I have a 2011 Toyota Camry with the 2.5l engine and Have been listening to this "cold start rattle" for years. Watching this video at the 15:25 section, where Amd disassembles the vvti gear, It appears , when it gets oil pressure, the rattle stops and there was no real wear as a result.. So, in the fuse panel by the hood release, I located and removed the 8th fuse, a 15 amp labelled "INJ" ( I assume this shuts off the fuel injectors). I engaged the starter for 3 seconds, shut the key off, reinstalled the fuse, started the car...and there was .NO RATTLE..I have tried this 3 times, with the car sitting for 5 days at 1 point, and there has been No rattle on cold start up. I have devised a set up, so I do not have to remove the fuse each time , so I can engage the starter for 3 or 4 seconds without the engine starting, before a cold start. Please note: I am NOT a professional. Please consult a "professional" before attempting this procedure.
@user-cq5wt8ir6m, I hope you see my comment, I love AMD’s videos to educate myself before tearing into my car, but you really have my respect! Thank you for sharing what you tried!!!
Me: 2012 Camry LE 4cyl. Brief rattle on cold start up. Rattle started at 68k. Temporary solution to prevent rattle/damage until you sell car or fix (replace gear): Have a spare ignition key cut (from a blank without a transponder) Home depot will do this for $3.00. The key will open the door and crank the engine (won't start it). When car is cold, insert spare key and crank engine for 5 seconds. Remove spare, insert transponder key and start the engine. You are building oil pressure and sending oil to the gear without starting the engine making the rattle less noticeable or eliminating it. Again, only a temporary solution to help reduce potential cold start damage.
Excellent advice. On my 2010 Camry Ellie with the same problem, I would often bump the ignition five or six times before starting the car. Your solution would work better than what I did.
This man is proud of his workmanship -- a rare quality AND owners get value for their money. Well done sir -- a man after my own heart ! By the way, I would love to see the "Design FMEA" that *should have been done* by Toyota engineers for the top guide -- they should have identified the likelihood that the tab would break and found a way to prevent that occurrence.
What I like about this channel 👍 is the attention to detail as well as the brilliant advice and the reasons that the faults develop in the first place.
I have great respect for a mechanic that does this job in a PROFESSIONAL manner and not shaft the customer in the process. I would never attempt this repairs myself but I learned a lot watching this video.Thanks, AMD for this video.
I have just replaced the intake gear on my 2013 Camry which I purchased a few months ago. Car has done about 60000Km. Australia. After analysing the one-second rattle upon cold start, my definitive conclusion that the noise was coming from the intake cam gear. The original gear part number was 13050-36030 and all the dealers here in Australia told me that there was no updated part number. Hoping that Toyota would have fixed the original problem 10 years later, I went ahead with 13050-36030 again. I spend hours carefully disassembling and assembling all the required parts by following T-SB-0041-13. Installed all the seals I encountered on the way. The top chain guide was like brand new, but I still replaced it. I even had to unlock the gear once as there was not enough slack to put the chain over the installed gear. Followed the gear unlocking instructions from the TSB. Succeeded at first attempt, miraculously! HAHA I had to put the chain over the gear before installing, torqueing and locking the gear. Had to keep tension on the chain at the same time. This was the hardest part. Just didn't want to drop that chain. After all that, the rattle is still there! You just don't understand how disappointed I am now! Is there an updated part for my Camry? In Australia only 13050-36030 is listed for my car. I can see that the TSB mentions 13050-0V040, but I was too afraid to deviate from proper part numbers for my car. Is there an updated / improved part for my Camry? Of course, I cannot thank enough this channel!
I did it exactly as you did and I have exactly the same result, my case is worse, I bought a second one pulled out the spark plugs to turn the engine and lock the phaser , I even took pictures to be sure in my mind before installing the valve cover that the phaser was locked, after spending $500 + in parts the stupid rattling is still there 😡, as soon as be possible I’m going to try the “timing cover off” option, this is the ONLY complaint I’ve of my car 🤦♂️
This is the best ever walkthrough and detailed explanation of the cause of the VVTI cold start rattle I have ever seen. You are worth your weight in gold going through all this in meticulous detail. Makes all other video attempts I've seen instantly redundant on this topic, especially the fine detail about not locking the new VVTI gear until it's been mounted. We had the cold start rattle on our 2002 Celica for a few years (never lasted for more than a second or two on startup) and in May this year we took it in for service for this exact issue. The mechanic got the entire kit. Timing cover kit, new chain, new chain tensioner, all new guides, new VVTI intake gear and all the gaskets to complete the job. Some items may not have needed replacing but we replaced the lot because really how often would we open the timing cover for this kind of service and there is no point skimping when it comes to the timing system on an interference engine. We probably wont ever need to do this again. The Celica has no more cold start rattle The car has done over 300,000 km, burns very very little oil and drives beautifully. Great video.
@@arthurgiannakis2156 Ouch. That sucks for what I consider to be very likely a design flaw. Even TCN was talking about the VVTi gears like they were a bad design and caused timing chain issues.
I have a 21 year old Tundra with 160K miles. I don't have any significant problems (but there are some minor ones). It would be a blast to have it checked on your YT video. Your shop is only a 4 hour drive. It would be totally worth the time.
@stdigitalmemories dam your Tundra is barely broken in. 160K miles is not much for a tundra. Scotty Kilmer had a 2000 model on his channel with 400K miles, & it even pulled an 18,000 pound trailer for 400 miles. Pretty incredible. Those old tundras are bulletproof keep your frame rinsed off & your truck will last you a lifetime
@@Blakecryderman7244 Toyota replaced my transmission for free at 75K miles and they replaced my frame at 110K miles. I replaced the exhaust and manifolds not long ago. I have some minor issues with the 4 wheel drive not always locking, otherwise it works great. Thx.
@@stldigitalmemories that is literally like the first time I’ve ever heard of a tundra transmission going out at such low miles. You sure you take care of it? The 4WD not always locking, that is usually from shifting into 4WD after not moving the shift lever for years, and the truck won’t be used to it. The old saying goes use it or lose it.
@@Blakecryderman7244 Thx. The dealership told me transmission issues rarely happen, but they do see it and I was lucky it was still under warranty. The dealership was paid $12K from Toyota for the frame replacement. At 110K miles, they broke a lot of bolts and I ended up with new shocks and misc mounts. The truck is my weekend vehicle mostly for hauling things to/from my ranch. Every couple of weeks I swap it with my daily driver to give it some exercise.
I'd love to see a complete, start-to-finish video for this job. From what I see here, you haven't reached the part where a diy'er like me would be in over my head or need too many new tools that I'd only use once or twice. It's a common enough job that lots of people would watch a how-to video from the best Toyota mechanic in the world, you! I'm a real fan.
I did the procedures on my 03 2.4 L 2AZ-FE without pulling the timing cover. BIG MISTAKE. No matter how hard and careful I was the timing was off and when I started it it sounded like a sewing machine also the new gear was damaged and had to get a new one. I did go through the lock procedure. I redid the job and did the timing chain, guides, dears, sprockets, and tensioner. The chain was also stretched by 1.5 links. I did replace the guides because they fell apart a soon as i took them out.
Another very informative video AMD! Currently own 2 camrys a 2012/ 2014 and had not seen how these parts work or fail. I'm a tooling technician by trade and work on my cars so this is very doable for me and thank you for explaining in detail!👈👍
Perfect timing for this video. I just heard the cold start rattle for the first time on my 2010 Vibe with the 1.8 2ZR engine with 98,000 miles. It hasn't done it for the last 5 cold starts but I guess I better start saving. My main problem is finding a mechanic that can do the job right like you. I wish I was closer to Chicago. Good idea to just remove the timing cover to do the repair even though you don't have to since most times it's leaking anyway to do the job right.🙂
@Robert Mulero wow 98,000 miles on a vibe. Not very much. You must only drive it in the city. Before you fork out $200 or so for your Vibe’s cold start rattle, try something. Buy a bottle of ATS oil system cleaner, & pour it in your engine oil, & what it does it get rid of carbon, nitrogen based cleaner. It’s not some snake oil seafoam crap, it’s actually good. But what it actually does to fix the rattle is one of the reasons it rattles is because the tensioner gets gummed up with dirty oil, & it takes a second for the tensioner to do it’s job correctly, & the ATS oil cleaner gets rid of the build-up. Give it a try, it costs $30, worth a try before spending more on an actual timing cover removal teardown etc. ATS ( automotive test solutions ) is sold by Burney ( I might have not spelled his name right ) In Albuquerque New Mexico, & they spent 8 years testing what ingredients get rid of carbon the best inside engines. In order for you to more know about it, look up Scotty Kilmer, he’s a mechanic with 53 years experience, works from home, & he has a couple videos showing how you use it for your car. It worked for him when he was working on a 2007 Volkswagen Rabbit with a noisy engine. He explains it better than me, which is why I recommend you watch his video on it. Worth spending $30 to give it a try, not that expensive, & it can make the noise go away after pouring it in the engine oil & have the engine revved up to 1800 RPM for 20 minutes, then after that it will have circulated around & have done it’s job. So yeah, $30 for the bottle. Watch Scotty’s video on it, & give it a try. Wish you all the best. Cheers, Blake ( I also have a 2006 Matrix )
Disregard the negativity. I see all my favorite channels dealing with the negativity. You are one of the best, forget about these keyboard mechanics. Keep up the great work. If you are hiring, I’d move to work for you. I’d be grateful to be in that shop, even run the floor scrubber and take out the trash to be around a master like yourself.
Another great video. I have a Gen 3 2GR-FE. I have changed the oil and filter in my Avalon every five months since I 've had it. I want to especially thank you for making us all so aware of the few shortcomings this engine has. Mine has the all-steel VVT oil supply lines. I opened up the upper banjo fittings and the filters were pristine. I also pulled the VVT solenoids, and they were pristine as well. This engine is very quiet and so far, no leaks of any kind. I just appreciate your videos even if they don't apply to me. I have 82,000 miles now, so My 50,000 mile coolant change is coming up. Thanks again.
Thanks for a teriffic video. I have a V-6 with 235,000 miles which I bought for $5,400 four years ago (198,000). I now have the rattle at cold starts only for a second and sometime even with cold starts no rattle. You answered my question about when you need to move forward and get it fixed or replace the car. My mechanic says it is 20 hours of labor plus parts to repair and wait for now. We love our 2007 Rav 4. Thanks. Joe
I have a 2009 c=Corolla 133,000 miles with the same problem and had to wait over three months for the parts and I am taking it in this Monday to get the "Rattles" fixed. Thanks for you excellent videos.
Could you tell me what it cost to have the VTI gear replaced/rattles fixed? Did you go to a Toyota dealer? We have that same car, a little newer, less miles, occasional start up rattles.
AMD, thanks for the channel and all the great information. I have had success on 2008 avalon 315k miles cold rattle. changed valve cover gaskets and oil vvt seals on valve cover. Rattle gone! 🎉 Thank you for sharing!
I've never seen before where someone takes the time to *explain* why things happen, and the consequences thereof with VVTI. Thank you and greetings from Prague. Czech Republic
I used to have a Lexus IS300H (2AR-FSE) and the sound always annoyed me… The dealer didn’t had any idea what it was (‘ah sir, it’s a product feature’, that’s the standard comment these days), but now everything is clear! Big compliments for your knowledge and patience… You’re RUclips-channel is superb!
My 95' 3RZ made a huge knocking noise on cold start ups if any torque was applied to the engine before an ample "Ample!" warmup. For years it was necessary to warm up for about 15 minutes for best sounding startups and drivability. After the rebuild, this was no longer an issue. It was sure nice to not have to worry about that any longer. It did this for over 200k of its life. I thought for sure it would spin a lower bearing if not properly warmed up every cold morning. I'd go around oiling things, with all the white smoke from the icy morning blowing, kinda reminded me of bring a steam engine to life at the start of my commute.
I have owned three Toyotas over the years and now my newest one a 2011 4 runner only has 88,000 miles. I wish there were someone like the Car Care Nut had a shop near me.
Thank you for sharing this AMD I've got a 2013 Toyota Camry with 100.000kms and have had the VVTI Rattle since new at cold start. I will definitely be looking more into Replacing The VVTI Gear ⚙️ in the near future. Thank you and God Bless 🙏
This Video should be used as Instruction Video for Toyota Car Technicians and people who work on Toyotas. Great explanation and i hope my Toyota with the 1NR- FE won't be in such a trouble in the future but in case i know what to do now. Best regards from germany
Your skills set never stop amaze me. Now because of you I have better understanding what happens inside of the engine every time I am driving my Toyota
I took my 2016 Camry in for this very reason (when it was STILL under warranty) and was told not to worry about it (by 2 Toyota dealers). Now it is not under warranty and you mention this rattle IS a concern! 😡 I dealt with this sort of crap with GM and went to Toyota because I thought they were better... looks like they aren't. Disappointed to say the least...
@@e.r.videography6209 Who makes the Toyota cars? Dealers or manufacturer? The warranty and service policy is also imposed by the manufacturer. If they have known for years that vvti are defective why not recall them?
@@snakejuice4300 TWO dealerships... BOTH stated not to worry... despite my better judgement. If its such a `master craftmanship' company, then we wouldn't be having these problems with the VVT valves... This clearly was both dealerships not wanting to do the work... probably had bad warranty ratings with Toyota... left me holding the bag now. This is a known problem...
I have a 2009 2zrfe, rattles extremely rarely. So I understand that I do t have to be worried about it until it becomes more frequent and occurs at every start. Thanks for the informative videos AMD. I learn a lot from your channel !
I just noticed this rattle on my wifes Prius yesterday morning. I watched the video, and my wife just took her prius in to the dealer today. Thankfully it's still under warranty!
Well removing the front cover to inspect all the guides would just about triple the labor costs since you don't need to do that to replace the intake cam gear. The guide between the cam gears breaking is something I've never seen before so I will have to start adding that to the estimate from now on.
Trust me when they and D say to remove the timing cover. I tried to do it without removing the come ver and ended up with a damaged gear and out of time engine. It wasn't my first rodeo on doing this but I thought eh, save time. Nope. I ended doing it twice.
@@ahmadghosheh3104 I've replaced dozens of those cam gears without removing the cover. I've been a Toyota tech for 25 years and a MDT like him. He knows it's not necessary to remove the cover. You're talking about a 5-6 hour labor charge vs. 15+ hours of labor charge. Toyota pays less than 3 hours for the job under warranty.
@@CamKrazy2000Maybe you can answer my question then. I have a 2012 Camry Hybrid. 2AR-FXE. I’ve had the cold start rattle since I’ve owned it. Bought at 93k and it has 258k now. I’ve seen videos where people say it’s just the chain tensioner. Why have some people fixed the issue with just replacing that? Also, I found out the chain tensioner for the hybrid is inside the cover, so not as simple of a replacement as the non hybrid engine. Thanks for the help.
@@ryandhaley2 There is no difference between the hybrid and the non-hybrid engines as far as the set up. The cam gear rattle on the 2AR has been around ever since the engine was first introduced in 2010 or 11. Most times replacing the intake cam gear fixes the problem but I've seen the cam gear break apart a couple times. If you've lived with it for that long, I wouldn't worry about it. Just make sure you have enough oil because oil consumption at that mileage isn't uncommon.
I found 2 solutions to my 2007 Corolla vvti rattle. First solution, I added 3-4 oz of Seafoam to the crankcase and that stopped the rattle. The Second solution is the one i am using now on a permanent basis, I have switched to 0W-30 Mobil 1 FS oil. My Rattle is gone for over 6 months now.
Ok, now I’m worried. I have the 2009 Rav4 with this engine. Currently at 167000 miles. Haven’t paid attention to a rattle but I will now. Changed the oil every 5K miles.
This video was extremely helpful! I would never attempt to do this type of work as a DIYer, but man it helps to know the little details watching someone who knows what they're doing taking it apart. I bought a 2011 Highlander yesterday and have checked it out carefully and test driven it... But not from a cold start. I'll know Friday when I pick it up if it has this problem, and if so, how far along in the problem it is. I feel that someday I'll have to fork over the dough to get this job done, just a matter of timing the decision based off of the level of deterioration... If there's any.. funny thing is I decided against getting a Honda CR-V for a similar known issue with those, called VTC actuator. Almost identical symptoms. I didn't research the highlander as thoroughly because in my experience, the only things that break on Toyotas are parts that break on ANY car... Engine and transmission are usually not even something you'd have to think about. I guess it's not all that bad, knowing what I know now, and I am better prepared to assess it if / when it comes, and not just freak out (or even worse, get comfortable with living with it) like I would have otherwise lol. Love your videos keep em coming! Thanks!
I replaced all timing chain guides, timing chain. Tensioner and intake camgear. At 135k miles and it was starting to rattle even while revving the engine while stationary. It gets bad and you got to change everything
If there was a bridge connecting my country to where you live, I will drive for miles to come to your autoshop. Reality is that Trusted mechanics are rare to find. May the Lord bless you and your family, your Autoshop as well 🙏
I owned two new Toyotas and I didn't keep them very long. The first one was a 2000 Avalon. It was in the shop for two weeks because of an electrical problem after I had it for a very short amount of time they had to call in the factory text to sort it out. Sold it with 26,000 miles on it, didn't like the ride particularly was kind of floaty. This engine has suffered from sludging Up I didn't own mine long enough to find out. Traded it on a 2002 Honda Odyssey which was great until the transmission started going bad it's a common problem. My next new Toyota purchase was a 2007 Camry which was the first year for that model. I only own that till about 25,000 miles. It was burning oil and the factory wouldn't do anything about it. They subsequently fixed others when the complaint started piling up but mine was one of the first ones built. It also had a drive-by-wire system electronic throttle that was dangerous because it didn't respond right away when you gave it gas. Frightening to drive when you needed to get out of the way of someone else. Traded it on a 2009 Honda Accord, other than the rear brakes which are unknown problem the car never gave me a bit of trouble and use that for 80,000 miles and bought a 2014 Honda Accord which has been a pleasure to own. I know many people who own them for a long period of time, and you can see old ones commonly.
@@Emeraldcoastking that's outstanding longevity there's no doubt about that. I prefer to keep my cars for about 10 years get half the purchase price back and have no repairs, other than Tires and Brakes
Do all that just for the rings to stick 3 weeks later. No particular reason why. Coolant fine, never over heated. Just rings started sticking. Oil changes every 3-4k. What’s even better, when that top guide gives way, makes the motor sound like it’s thrown a ride or something. Gotta by the whole timing set for that one bracket. Also be weary of the timing guide that the tensioner rides on. It broke on me asw. Fun stuff.
I wish I could’ve found my brackets that fell of. Mine got destroyed I’m sure. Pulled the oil pan with the procedure to find that bracket, never did lol. I love that you have made these videos. I’ve experienced all of this. 2.7lvenza. Now it needs a new block, as I foreshadowed earlier.
My well maintained 2011 Camry has 98000 Kms....about 60,000 miles. I am thinking of a workaround to avoid the rattle on cold startup. I think the rattle originates when the oil drains out of the intake VVT gear on shutdown. Possibly there is a way of priming the gear with a slightly longer cranking time using the engine oil pump This can be done by delaying the fuel injection circuit enable by about 2 seconds after starting to crank the engine over by inserting a time delay relay into the fuel injection circuit. I am going to try this soon when I have time...will keep you posted. Thanks for the information, much appreciated....! (edit)...Have been experimenting during our cold snap...pulled ' EFI MAIN ' under hood fuse and cranked engine for about 3 seconds....replaced fuse and engine started quiet as a mouse! Sure supports theory that oil is draining from VVTI gears on shutdown. (edit 2 ).....Back to square one, returned to stock configuration. Added Rislone Hyper-Lube to thicken oil....good luck so far...
AMD, would you consider making another Lexus IS video, but this time specifically on preventative/periodic maintenance? Maybe include what history has shown to be considered chronic problems with the IS and how to mitigate them? I have a 2022 IS 500 F Sport Performance and it would be selfish for me to request an IS 500 FSP specific video, but maybe center the video on the 3rd Generation IS w/plenty of specific content you've learned about the IS 500 FSP engine, transmission, cooling system etc over the years from the RC F & GS F that may apply. BTW, I'm in Houston, TX and have lamented before on the fact you have no plans to open a shop in the Houston area. But I have found a Lexus only independent shop (actually two locations in Houston) that reminds me of your "Mission Statement", experience and passion for Lexus. For Houstonian Lexus owners, they're called "Clear Choice" Lexus Superior Service in The Woodlands and The Galleria. All of their Specialists are Lexus master mechanics, only use OEM parts and add their parts warranty on top of the Lexus warranty.
I am working on one right now. The top guide is completely gone and the fix one also completely gone and was stock on the drain area how this engine did not blow is amazing
Much respect, and thank you for the detailed explanation. I've spent hours on different videos trying to figure out what else I need to replace on my mom's 2009 RAV4 besides vvt gears, and you just nailed it. Now I can go to sleep 😁 good luck to you man!
2013 1.8 corolla L started to rattle at 132k miles once in a while. Became common at 142k miles Happens every cold start now at 152k miles. And even on some warm starts. And now also has a sound akin to a loose thin pice of metal vibrating and only occurs at idle or under 1200 rpm till warm. Car care nut i need you 😩
My father has a 2012 Rav that has the rattle. They are gonna do the job exactly as AMD has described and im so glad. Id rather him pay once and not have to worry about it again. Was wondering what the going price range for the job is in 2024. Say only the intake VVTI and that top guide is needed.
TY AMD, a brilliant video explaining an issue I have not had myself but I have heard about from many of my friends on our Toyota forum here in Australia. You as always explained it very clearly and it was fascinating to see what the cause and what the solution was for this issue. Keep Safe Keep Strong My Dear Friend 🦘🦘🦘🦘🚗🚗
Thanks for sharing, I presume for the 2GR-FE it's more related to the VVTI gears as outlined in technical bulletin T-SB-0094-09. Would you know why it only affects Toyota/Scion vehicles and not Lexus (like the ES350) which use the same engine?
What causes this to get damaged? And how to prevent this in new car? Can there still be this rattle issue in new car which is will maintained? Or this occurs only if the car hasn't been maintained properly?
Issue came with the original design of the vvt gear, can't escape it, but strict regular oil changes can significantly delay this from happening, or potentially not happen at all. My corolla (12 year old) does this rattle every now and then on cold start only. What's interesting is as soon as I do my regular oil at change 6months or 5k, it does not rattle anymore until about 4-5 months in.
This is an issue with design. 2014-2015 and up got updated parts already and won’t have this issue. This issue can happen to the updated parts with heavy neglect on oil changes
I've had many Toyotas always very reliable just recently purchased a 2010 Toyota Corolla course when I purchased this used car it was already started prior to me getting there did not make noise next day starting I heard it I just wonder why Toyota had such a faulty part and why no recall so left with unfortunately trying to figure out how to pay for the fix cuz I cringe every time I start my car
Thank you for this very well presented informational video!. It helped me get my brother's VVT sprocket replaced the proper way and with great results.
Excellent video. Fascinating. I really liked your discussion about what can happen if you just ignore this problem. My wife's car (not a Toyota) has been making this exact same startup noise for years. I'm hesitant to spend the big bucks to fix it. The noise has never really gotten worse (so far) and I listen for it all the time to make sure. Now I have a much better idea of what kind of risk I might be taking -- whoo boy! The car is a 2011 Elantra. I've heard that the noise can also be due to a faulty timing chain tensioner.
I like what you said at the end, may the Lord continue to bless you. Thank you.. you are an expert and very informative you should consider being an instructor. First time seeing your videos .
I had the VVTI replaced at 180K on a ‘12 Highlander. Drove with the rattle for 75K miles. The dealership couldn’t diagnose it which was suspect to me. Repair cost $2700. It was worth it to me.
@@FrankC76 they did the whole job and put in a new timing chain while they had it open. It was worth it and the Highlander runs like new. I currently have 207K miles on it. The repair was done at 180K.
Does this affect 2015 Rav4's? My mom has one that has a split-second rattle on startup that it has always had (since we got it with about 30k miles on it). Thanks!
That could be normal. A 2015 should have updated parts already and shouldn’t have this issue with good maintenance. If it stays exactly the same and never progresses you should be ok
@@TheCarCareNut Thanks for the reply AMD, I had the same question as this person. But I would also ask, at how many seconds of cold-start rattle would you start to consider a repair on the VVTI gear? (Assuming my model has the updated gear) I have a 2016 RAV4 made in Japan, so I hope I’m in the clear. It’s had a half-second rattle for a while now. Bought at 13k mi, and now has 57k miles.
My 2013 rav4 had the cold start rattle and my 2020 Corolla hybrid has it as well, so I don’t think Toyota has any updated parts to fix this old design problem.
Your customers are so lucky to have you as their mechanic
Car Care Nut you are my hero. I have a 2013 Rav4 AWD with a 2AR-FE engine. Rav4 has just over 80k and has the noticeable cold start rattle. I'm an ASE-certified mechanic but left the auto industry long ago to work on aircraft instead. Your attention to detail and experience give me the confidence to tackle these types of repairs to help my Toyota live a long happy life. Thank you.
just curious why you changed to aircraft stuff? better payment or do you enjoy turbines lol? I am almost in the same path as you, thanks
As an Assyrian Christian from Iraq, I love all the work you do, and it makes me so proud someone from my country who is a Christian doing all the best he can do to succeed is succeeding while at the same time putting his faith in his work and his religion and sharing it to the world. I am completely proud of all the progress you’ve made throughout the beginning of your channel. May the Lord bless you and keep you too!
AMEN!!
With all due respect, unless most other Assyrian Christians are scam artists, what does the religion have to do with anything? I don't give a sh*t about jesus or religion in general but I have pride in my job and integrity like my father thought me. That's all you need to do the job honestly and correctly.
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Everyone should be able to speak what's in their heart. If its positive so much the better.
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We're not working on chevys. 🤣
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@That V8 Life that’s not really a valid argument though. Let’s be real here. Unless you’re going with a GR product, you’re not buying a Toyota because you want an “ impressive “ car. You buy it because there’s a solid chance that it will literally outlast almost every other brand you can compare it to. Having a “ fun “ car stops being “ fun “ when it starts breaking down unless you either have enough money to throw at whatever issues keep popping up or unless you have enough money to just throw the whole car away and buy a new one altogether
@That V8 Life What are they?
@That V8 Life okay, and?
@@shyro76 I have a friend that has replaced his transmission and engine already in his Toyota. Prior to that he had other major repairs. Anyways , he drives his car like a rental. So abuse a car and it will wear down faster.
A cheap fix that worked for Me. AMD is a true Toyota Master Diagnostic Technician indeed. I have learned a lot from this Man's videos, and much appreciate his contributions to You Tube. I have a 2011 Toyota Camry with the 2.5l engine and Have been listening to this "cold start rattle" for years. Watching this video at the 15:25 section, where Amd disassembles the vvti gear, It appears , when it gets oil pressure, the rattle stops and there was no real wear as a result.. So, in the fuse panel by the hood release, I located and removed the 8th fuse, a 15 amp labelled "INJ" ( I assume this shuts off the fuel injectors). I engaged the starter for 3 seconds, shut the key off, reinstalled the fuse, started the car...and there was .NO RATTLE..I have tried this 3 times, with the car sitting for 5 days at 1 point, and there has been No rattle on cold start up. I have devised a set up, so I do not have to remove the fuse each time , so I can engage the starter for 3 or 4 seconds without the engine starting, before a cold start. Please note: I am NOT a professional. Please consult a "professional" before attempting this procedure.
@user-cq5wt8ir6m, I hope you see my comment, I love AMD’s videos to educate myself before tearing into my car, but you really have my respect! Thank you for sharing what you tried!!!
what kind of system did you use to delay the connection to the injectors ?
Eureka! The simple pre-oiler needed to quell that irritating Hyundi engine start up rattle. Thanks
Me: 2012 Camry LE 4cyl. Brief rattle on cold start up. Rattle started at 68k. Temporary solution to prevent rattle/damage until you sell car or fix (replace gear): Have a spare ignition key cut (from a blank without a transponder) Home depot will do this for $3.00. The key will open the door and crank the engine (won't start it). When car is cold, insert spare key and crank engine for 5 seconds. Remove spare, insert transponder key and start the engine. You are building oil pressure and sending oil to the gear without starting the engine making the rattle less noticeable or eliminating it. Again, only a temporary solution to help reduce potential cold start damage.
Excellent advice. On my 2010 Camry Ellie with the same problem, I would often bump the ignition five or six times before starting the car. Your solution would work better than what I did.
Very good hack excellent idea. You can also try adding some Sea Foam to the crankcase to loosen the sludge build up in those VVT gears.
Seems to me the problem develops because of weakening springs in the VVT gears. Why not just replace them and the pegs with the updated ones ?
I love your passion for doing a great job on Toyota product, keep up the good work and keep the videos coming.
It truly is impressive.
Camshaft Bearing Caps 11159-0P010 and 90430-A0001 these are three gaskets that need to be replaced. Thanks AMD you are a true life saver.
This man is proud of his workmanship -- a rare quality AND owners get value for their money.
Well done sir -- a man after my own heart !
By the way, I would love to see the "Design FMEA" that *should have been done* by Toyota engineers for the top guide -- they should have identified the likelihood that the tab would break and found a way to prevent that occurrence.
What I like about this channel 👍 is the attention to detail as well as the brilliant advice and the reasons that the faults develop in the first place.
I have great respect for a mechanic that does this job in a PROFESSIONAL manner and not shaft the customer in the process. I would never attempt this repairs myself but I learned a lot watching this video.Thanks, AMD for this video.
It's somewhat rare nowadays to get a tradesperson that is both competent and ethical..
I have just replaced the intake gear on my 2013 Camry which I purchased a few months ago. Car has done about 60000Km. Australia. After analysing the one-second rattle upon cold start, my definitive conclusion that the noise was coming from the intake cam gear. The original gear part number was 13050-36030 and all the dealers here in Australia told me that there was no updated part number. Hoping that Toyota would have fixed the original problem 10 years later, I went ahead with 13050-36030 again.
I spend hours carefully disassembling and assembling all the required parts by following T-SB-0041-13. Installed all the seals I encountered on the way. The top chain guide was like brand new, but I still replaced it. I even had to unlock the gear once as there was not enough slack to put the chain over the installed gear. Followed the gear unlocking instructions from the TSB. Succeeded at first attempt, miraculously! HAHA I had to put the chain over the gear before installing, torqueing and locking the gear. Had to keep tension on the chain at the same time. This was the hardest part. Just didn't want to drop that chain.
After all that, the rattle is still there! You just don't understand how disappointed I am now! Is there an updated part for my Camry? In Australia only 13050-36030 is listed for my car. I can see that the TSB mentions 13050-0V040, but I was too afraid to deviate from proper part numbers for my car. Is there an updated / improved part for my Camry?
Of course, I cannot thank enough this channel!
I did it exactly as you did and I have exactly the same result, my case is worse, I bought a second one pulled out the spark plugs to turn the engine and lock the phaser , I even took pictures to be sure in my mind before installing the valve cover that the phaser was locked, after spending $500 + in parts the stupid rattling is still there 😡, as soon as be possible I’m going to try the “timing cover off” option, this is the ONLY complaint I’ve of my car 🤦♂️
Love your honesty and integrity doing it right 👊🏻👍🏻
This is the best ever walkthrough and detailed explanation of the cause of the VVTI cold start rattle I have ever seen. You are worth your weight in gold going through all this in meticulous detail. Makes all other video attempts I've seen instantly redundant on this topic, especially the fine detail about not locking the new VVTI gear until it's been mounted.
We had the cold start rattle on our 2002 Celica for a few years (never lasted for more than a second or two on startup) and in May this year we took it in for service for this exact issue. The mechanic got the entire kit. Timing cover kit, new chain, new chain tensioner, all new guides, new VVTI intake gear and all the gaskets to complete the job.
Some items may not have needed replacing but we replaced the lot because really how often would we open the timing cover for this kind of service and there is no point skimping when it comes to the timing system on an interference engine. We probably wont ever need to do this again.
The Celica has no more cold start rattle The car has done over 300,000 km, burns very very little oil and drives beautifully.
Great video.
How much did all that cost to fix?
@@whoknows8678 About $1,100 AUD
@@arthurgiannakis2156 Ouch. That sucks for what I consider to be very likely a design flaw. Even TCN was talking about the VVTi gears like they were a bad design and caused timing chain issues.
I have a 21 year old Tundra with 160K miles. I don't have any significant problems (but there are some minor ones). It would be a blast to have it checked on your YT video. Your shop is only a 4 hour drive. It would be totally worth the time.
@stdigitalmemories dam your Tundra is barely broken in. 160K miles is not much for a tundra. Scotty Kilmer had a 2000 model on his channel with 400K miles, & it even pulled an 18,000 pound trailer for 400 miles. Pretty incredible. Those old tundras are bulletproof keep your frame rinsed off & your truck will last you a lifetime
@@Blakecryderman7244 Toyota replaced my transmission for free at 75K miles and they replaced my frame at 110K miles. I replaced the exhaust and manifolds not long ago. I have some minor issues with the 4 wheel drive not always locking, otherwise it works great. Thx.
@@stldigitalmemories that is literally like the first time I’ve ever heard of a tundra transmission going out at such low miles. You sure you take care of it? The 4WD not always locking, that is usually from shifting into 4WD after not moving the shift lever for years, and the truck won’t be used to it. The old saying goes use it or lose it.
@@Blakecryderman7244 Thx. The dealership told me transmission issues rarely happen, but they do see it and I was lucky it was still under warranty. The dealership was paid $12K from Toyota for the frame replacement. At 110K miles, they broke a lot of bolts and I ended up with new shocks and misc mounts. The truck is my weekend vehicle mostly for hauling things to/from my ranch. Every couple of weeks I swap it with my daily driver to give it some exercise.
I'd love to see a complete, start-to-finish video for this job. From what I see here, you haven't reached the part where a diy'er like me would be in over my head or need too many new tools that I'd only use once or twice. It's a common enough job that lots of people would watch a how-to video from the best Toyota mechanic in the world, you! I'm a real fan.
same
me too!
I did the procedures on my 03 2.4 L 2AZ-FE without pulling the timing cover. BIG MISTAKE. No matter how hard and careful I was the timing was off and when I started it it sounded like a sewing machine also the new gear was damaged and had to get a new one. I did go through the lock procedure. I redid the job and did the timing chain, guides, dears, sprockets, and tensioner. The chain was also stretched by 1.5 links. I did replace the guides because they fell apart a soon as i took them out.
Another very informative video AMD! Currently own 2 camrys a 2012/ 2014 and had not seen how these parts work or fail. I'm a tooling technician by trade and work on my cars so this is very doable for me and thank you for explaining in detail!👈👍
Perfect timing for this video. I just heard the cold start rattle for the first time on my 2010 Vibe with the 1.8 2ZR engine with 98,000 miles. It hasn't done it for the last 5 cold starts but I guess I better start saving. My main problem is finding a mechanic that can do the job right like you. I wish I was closer to Chicago. Good idea to just remove the timing cover to do the repair even though you don't have to since most times it's leaking anyway to do the job right.🙂
@Robert Mulero wow 98,000 miles on a vibe. Not very much. You must only drive it in the city. Before you fork out $200 or so for your Vibe’s cold start rattle, try something. Buy a bottle of ATS oil system cleaner, & pour it in your engine oil, & what it does it get rid of carbon, nitrogen based cleaner. It’s not some snake oil seafoam crap, it’s actually good. But what it actually does to fix the rattle is one of the reasons it rattles is because the tensioner gets gummed up with dirty oil, & it takes a second for the tensioner to do it’s job correctly, & the ATS oil cleaner gets rid of the build-up. Give it a try, it costs $30, worth a try before spending more on an actual timing cover removal teardown etc. ATS ( automotive test solutions ) is sold by Burney ( I might have not spelled his name right ) In Albuquerque New Mexico, & they spent 8 years testing what ingredients get rid of carbon the best inside engines. In order for you to more know about it, look up Scotty Kilmer, he’s a mechanic with 53 years experience, works from home, & he has a couple videos showing how you use it for your car. It worked for him when he was working on a 2007 Volkswagen Rabbit with a noisy engine. He explains it better than me, which is why I recommend you watch his video on it. Worth spending $30 to give it a try, not that expensive, & it can make the noise go away after pouring it in the engine oil & have the engine revved up to 1800 RPM for 20 minutes, then after that it will have circulated around & have done it’s job. So yeah, $30 for the bottle. Watch Scotty’s video on it, & give it a try. Wish you all the best. Cheers, Blake ( I also have a 2006 Matrix )
@@Blakecryderman7244 200 dollars to fix his rattle? You think replacing the guide or any work under the valve cover is 200?
I didn't expect to see another GenViber in these comments
@@Blakecryderman7244 Just looked into this productt and it's $300 bucks a bottle and out of stock at this time.......
@@hothmobile100 well the tensioner isn’t all that expensive, if you did it DIY, it would be about $200, but if you go to a stealership, about $500+
Disregard the negativity. I see all my favorite channels dealing with the negativity. You are one of the best, forget about these keyboard mechanics. Keep up the great work. If you are hiring, I’d move to work for you. I’d be grateful to be in that shop, even run the floor scrubber and take out the trash to be around a master like yourself.
I would do this repair in a heartbeat if I ever have a VVTi failure, thanks to you, AMD.
How many hours will you take ?
I love this channel! Too bad all techs are not like this gentleman
Another great video. I have a Gen 3 2GR-FE. I have changed the oil and filter in my Avalon every five months since I 've had it. I want to especially thank you for making us all so aware of the few shortcomings this engine has. Mine has the all-steel VVT oil supply lines. I opened up the upper banjo fittings and the filters were pristine. I also pulled the VVT solenoids, and they were pristine as well. This engine is very quiet and so far, no leaks of any kind. I just appreciate your videos even if they don't apply to me. I have 82,000 miles now, so My 50,000 mile coolant change is coming up. Thanks again.
AMD, Thanks for the stability of your guidance on this important issue 😁
Thanks for a teriffic video. I have a V-6 with 235,000 miles which I bought for $5,400 four years ago (198,000). I now have the rattle at cold starts only for a second and sometime even with cold starts no rattle. You answered my question about when you need to move forward and get it fixed or replace the car. My mechanic says it is 20 hours of labor plus parts to repair and wait for now. We love our 2007 Rav 4. Thanks. Joe
I have a 2009 c=Corolla 133,000 miles with the same problem and had to wait over three months for the parts and I am taking it in this Monday to get the "Rattles" fixed. Thanks for you excellent videos.
Could you tell me what it cost to have the VTI gear replaced/rattles fixed? Did you go to a Toyota dealer? We have that same car, a little newer, less miles, occasional start up rattles.
i also have the same care and would love to know!
AMD, thanks for the channel and all the great information. I have had success on 2008 avalon 315k miles cold rattle. changed valve cover gaskets and oil vvt seals on valve cover. Rattle gone! 🎉 Thank you for sharing!
I've never seen before where someone takes the time to *explain* why things happen, and the consequences thereof with VVTI. Thank you and greetings from Prague. Czech Republic
I used to have a Lexus IS300H (2AR-FSE) and the sound always annoyed me… The dealer didn’t had any idea what it was (‘ah sir, it’s a product feature’, that’s the standard comment these days), but now everything is clear!
Big compliments for your knowledge and patience… You’re RUclips-channel is superb!
Thanks again AMD for sharing your wisdom on this important information 👍
My 95' 3RZ made a huge knocking noise on cold start ups if any torque was applied to the engine before an ample "Ample!" warmup. For years it was necessary to warm up for about 15 minutes for best sounding startups and drivability. After the rebuild, this was no longer an issue. It was sure nice to not have to worry about that any longer. It did this for over 200k of its life. I thought for sure it would spin a lower bearing if not properly warmed up every cold morning. I'd go around oiling things, with all the white smoke from the icy morning blowing, kinda reminded me of bring a steam engine to life at the start of my commute.
I have owned three Toyotas over the years and now my newest one a 2011 4 runner only has 88,000 miles. I wish there were someone like the Car Care Nut had a shop near me.
Thank you for sharing this AMD I've got a 2013 Toyota Camry with 100.000kms and have had the VVTI Rattle since new at cold start. I will definitely be looking more into Replacing The VVTI Gear ⚙️ in the near future. Thank you and God Bless 🙏
one of the best automotive maintenance repair videos on RUclips.
Thank you for this video and your dedication and commitment! Learned a lot today.
This Video should be used as Instruction Video for Toyota Car Technicians and people who work on Toyotas.
Great explanation and i hope my Toyota with the 1NR- FE won't be in such a trouble in the future but in case i know what to do now.
Best regards from germany
Your skills set never stop amaze me. Now because of you I have better understanding what happens inside of the engine every time I am driving my Toyota
Wow - the Hercule Poirot of Toyota repair videos. Absolutely superb, sir.
I took my 2016 Camry in for this very reason (when it was STILL under warranty) and was told not to worry about it (by 2 Toyota dealers). Now it is not under warranty and you mention this rattle IS a concern! 😡 I dealt with this sort of crap with GM and went to Toyota because I thought they were better... looks like they aren't. Disappointed to say the least...
Same here in EU with brand new Lexus IS 300h. You can buy any brand to have the same problems… most overhyped automotive brand.
That’s on the American dealers, nothing to do with Toyota as a master craftsmanship company (in Japan).
It’s on the dealer not manufacturer
@@e.r.videography6209 Who makes the Toyota cars? Dealers or manufacturer? The warranty and service policy is also imposed by the manufacturer.
If they have known for years that vvti are defective why not recall them?
@@snakejuice4300 TWO dealerships... BOTH stated not to worry... despite my better judgement. If its such a `master craftmanship' company, then we wouldn't be having these problems with the VVT valves... This clearly was both dealerships not wanting to do the work... probably had bad warranty ratings with Toyota... left me holding the bag now. This is a known problem...
You're an awesome tech!!!! awesome knowledge and craftmanship.!
I have a 2009 2zrfe, rattles extremely rarely. So I understand that I do t have to be worried about it until it becomes more frequent and occurs at every start. Thanks for the informative videos AMD. I learn a lot from your channel !
I just noticed this rattle on my wifes Prius yesterday morning. I watched the video, and my wife just took her prius in to the dealer today. Thankfully it's still under warranty!
Well removing the front cover to inspect all the guides would just about triple the labor costs since you don't need to do that to replace the intake cam gear. The guide between the cam gears breaking is something I've never seen before so I will have to start adding that to the estimate from now on.
Trust me when they and D say to remove the timing cover. I tried to do it without removing the come ver and ended up with a damaged gear and out of time engine. It wasn't my first rodeo on doing this but I thought eh, save time. Nope. I ended doing it twice.
@@ahmadghosheh3104 I've replaced dozens of those cam gears without removing the cover. I've been a Toyota tech for 25 years and a MDT like him. He knows it's not necessary to remove the cover. You're talking about a 5-6 hour labor charge vs. 15+ hours of labor charge. Toyota pays less than 3 hours for the job under warranty.
@@CamKrazy2000Maybe you can answer my question then. I have a 2012 Camry Hybrid. 2AR-FXE. I’ve had the cold start rattle since I’ve owned it. Bought at 93k and it has 258k now. I’ve seen videos where people say it’s just the chain tensioner. Why have some people fixed the issue with just replacing that? Also, I found out the chain tensioner for the hybrid is inside the cover, so not as simple of a replacement as the non hybrid engine. Thanks for the help.
@@ryandhaley2 There is no difference between the hybrid and the non-hybrid engines as far as the set up. The cam gear rattle on the 2AR has been around ever since the engine was first introduced in 2010 or 11. Most times replacing the intake cam gear fixes the problem but I've seen the cam gear break apart a couple times. If you've lived with it for that long, I wouldn't worry about it. Just make sure you have enough oil because oil consumption at that mileage isn't uncommon.
I found 2 solutions to my 2007 Corolla vvti rattle. First solution, I added 3-4 oz of Seafoam to the crankcase and that stopped the rattle. The Second solution is the one i am using now on a permanent basis, I have switched to 0W-30 Mobil 1 FS oil. My Rattle is gone for over 6 months now.
I’ve always wondered about the cause of the cold start rattle.
Best mechanic show ever
Great work !!!
Ok, now I’m worried. I have the 2009 Rav4 with this engine. Currently at 167000 miles. Haven’t paid attention to a rattle but I will now. Changed the oil every 5K miles.
I genuinely found myself going from what is wrong with my car to this is very interesting to learn about!
This video was extremely helpful! I would never attempt to do this type of work as a DIYer, but man it helps to know the little details watching someone who knows what they're doing taking it apart. I bought a 2011 Highlander yesterday and have checked it out carefully and test driven it... But not from a cold start. I'll know Friday when I pick it up if it has this problem, and if so, how far along in the problem it is. I feel that someday I'll have to fork over the dough to get this job done, just a matter of timing the decision based off of the level of deterioration... If there's any.. funny thing is I decided against getting a Honda CR-V for a similar known issue with those, called VTC actuator. Almost identical symptoms. I didn't research the highlander as thoroughly because in my experience, the only things that break on Toyotas are parts that break on ANY car... Engine and transmission are usually not even something you'd have to think about. I guess it's not all that bad, knowing what I know now, and I am better prepared to assess it if / when it comes, and not just freak out (or even worse, get comfortable with living with it) like I would have otherwise lol. Love your videos keep em coming! Thanks!
I own a 2011, same engine. No rattles, thank goodness.
I replaced all timing chain guides, timing chain. Tensioner and intake camgear. At 135k miles and it was starting to rattle even while revving the engine while stationary. It gets bad and you got to change everything
If there was a bridge connecting my country to where you live, I will drive for miles to come to your autoshop. Reality is that Trusted mechanics are rare to find. May the Lord bless you and your family, your Autoshop as well 🙏
I owned two new Toyotas and I didn't keep them very long. The first one was a 2000 Avalon. It was in the shop for two weeks because of an electrical problem after I had it for a very short amount of time they had to call in the factory text to sort it out. Sold it with 26,000 miles on it, didn't like the ride particularly was kind of floaty. This engine has suffered from sludging Up I didn't own mine long enough to find out. Traded it on a 2002 Honda Odyssey which was great until the transmission started going bad it's a common problem. My next new Toyota purchase was a 2007 Camry which was the first year for that model. I only own that till about 25,000 miles. It was burning oil and the factory wouldn't do anything about it. They subsequently fixed others when the complaint started piling up but mine was one of the first ones built. It also had a drive-by-wire system electronic throttle that was dangerous because it didn't respond right away when you gave it gas. Frightening to drive when you needed to get out of the way of someone else. Traded it on a 2009 Honda Accord, other than the rear brakes which are unknown problem the car never gave me a bit of trouble and use that for 80,000 miles and bought a 2014 Honda Accord which has been a pleasure to own. I know many people who own them for a long period of time, and you can see old ones commonly.
I have a 07 camry with 436k miles on it runs like it's brand new still
@@Emeraldcoastking that's outstanding longevity there's no doubt about that. I prefer to keep my cars for about 10 years get half the purchase price back and have no repairs, other than Tires and Brakes
Glad I came across this vid my 11 Corolla 1.8L started making this noise recently only for a second tho , I originally thought it was the starter.
The only Toyota You Tube channel you need !
Do all that just for the rings to stick 3 weeks later. No particular reason why. Coolant fine, never over heated. Just rings started sticking. Oil changes every 3-4k. What’s even better, when that top guide gives way, makes the motor sound like it’s thrown a ride or something. Gotta by the whole timing set for that one bracket. Also be weary of the timing guide that the tensioner rides on. It broke on me asw. Fun stuff.
I wish I could’ve found my brackets that fell of. Mine got destroyed I’m sure. Pulled the oil pan with the procedure to find that bracket, never did lol. I love that you have made these videos. I’ve experienced all of this. 2.7lvenza. Now it needs a new block, as I foreshadowed earlier.
My well maintained 2011 Camry has 98000 Kms....about 60,000 miles. I am thinking of a workaround to avoid the rattle on cold startup. I think the rattle originates when the oil drains out of the intake VVT gear on shutdown. Possibly there is a way of priming the gear with a slightly longer cranking time using the engine oil pump This can be done by delaying the fuel injection circuit enable by about 2 seconds after starting to crank the engine over by inserting a time delay relay into the fuel injection circuit. I am going to try this soon when I have time...will keep you posted. Thanks for the information, much appreciated....! (edit)...Have been experimenting during our cold snap...pulled ' EFI MAIN ' under hood fuse and cranked engine for about 3 seconds....replaced fuse and engine started quiet as a mouse! Sure supports theory that oil is draining from VVTI gears on shutdown. (edit 2 ).....Back to square one, returned to stock configuration. Added Rislone Hyper-Lube to thicken oil....good luck so far...
Thanks! I'm all set to be a *"**#Patron_Member**"* to your channel 🤗
Great video! The lighting under the hood was perfect.
AMD, would you consider making another Lexus IS video, but this time specifically on preventative/periodic maintenance? Maybe include what history has shown to be considered chronic problems with the IS and how to mitigate them? I have a 2022 IS 500 F Sport Performance and it would be selfish for me to request an IS 500 FSP specific video, but maybe center the video on the 3rd Generation IS w/plenty of specific content you've learned about the IS 500 FSP engine, transmission, cooling system etc over the years from the RC F & GS F that may apply.
BTW, I'm in Houston, TX and have lamented before on the fact you have no plans to open a shop in the Houston area. But I have found a Lexus only independent shop (actually two locations in Houston) that reminds me of your "Mission Statement", experience and passion for Lexus. For Houstonian Lexus owners, they're called "Clear Choice" Lexus Superior Service in The Woodlands and The Galleria. All of their Specialists are Lexus master mechanics, only use OEM parts and add their parts warranty on top of the Lexus warranty.
I am working on one right now. The top guide is completely gone and the fix one also completely gone and was stock on the drain area how this engine did not blow is amazing
I have this rattle on my 12 year old corolla. Though every time I change oil at 6 months, it goes away.
"We're not working on Chevys here." Send GM to the burn ward!
If you see "DeWitt,Nebraska" on you're Vise Grips, you have an original, quality tool. Love it always.
Best American made vice you have there, Wilton has been around since before WWII and known for their quality.
We aren't working on BMWs... unless it's a Supra, then we are. Move along people.
I really love the pride that you put into toyotas...!!!
I work on diferent brands and toyotas are my money maker...!!!
Love your videos. Can you do a video of all the tools in your snap-on toolbox? Thanks again for making great content
Much respect, and thank you for the detailed explanation. I've spent hours on different videos trying to figure out what else I need to replace on my mom's 2009 RAV4 besides vvt gears, and you just nailed it. Now I can go to sleep 😁 good luck to you man!
How do you prevent the VVTI gear from seizing?
I am SO *glued* to YOUR channel as I have 1MZ-FE and a 2GR-FE engines to look after. They HAVE to run better thn their owner. LOL
JimmyF 🙂
2013 1.8 corolla L started to rattle at 132k miles once in a while. Became common at 142k miles Happens every cold start now at 152k miles. And even on some warm starts. And now also has a sound akin to a loose thin pice of metal vibrating and only occurs at idle or under 1200 rpm till warm. Car care nut i need you 😩
Me 2 08 4cyl Cam
200k miles still rattling 😅@@Greenbear39
@@yzrippin 15680 new engine
@@Greenbear39 why? Do you do 5k oil changes?
@@yzrippin yes I think the new engine I put in is an oil burner.
My father has a 2012 Rav that has the rattle. They are gonna do the job exactly as AMD has described and im so glad. Id rather him pay once and not have to worry about it again. Was wondering what the going price range for the job is in 2024. Say only the intake VVTI and that top guide is needed.
TY AMD, a brilliant video explaining an issue I have not had myself but I have heard about from many of my friends on our Toyota forum here in Australia. You as always explained it very clearly and it was fascinating to see what the cause and what the solution was for this issue.
Keep Safe Keep Strong My Dear Friend 🦘🦘🦘🦘🚗🚗
You have said it. You are working on toyota´s, just keep what is ok and you will not have a problem. Toyota, best engineery. Great mechanic. Greetings
Thanks for sharing, I presume for the 2GR-FE it's more related to the VVTI gears as outlined in technical bulletin T-SB-0094-09. Would you know why it only affects Toyota/Scion vehicles and not Lexus (like the ES350) which use the same engine?
My '09 corolla does this every once in a long while. Definitely going to keep an ear on it for now.
How did you know it was the back gear and not the front one? Great work Brother. Love your work.
Do the 2018 RAV4 engines have this issue with the intake VVTI gear or were they able to address this in earlier models?
They do not have these issues in the later years of the 2AR
@@TheCarCareNut Thank you! 😀
@@TheCarCareNut ruclips.net/video/iyKaj7gVUkM/видео.html as you can see it doesn't work and rattle still exists
Hello from Mooresville NC USA
What causes this to get damaged? And how to prevent this in new car? Can there still be this rattle issue in new car which is will maintained? Or this occurs only if the car hasn't been maintained properly?
Issue came with the original design of the vvt gear, can't escape it, but strict regular oil changes can significantly delay this from happening, or potentially not happen at all. My corolla (12 year old) does this rattle every now and then on cold start only. What's interesting is as soon as I do my regular oil at change 6months or 5k, it does not rattle anymore until about 4-5 months in.
With new cars, Toyota updated the VVT gear, so might as well consider this fixed.
This is an issue with design. 2014-2015 and up got updated parts already and won’t have this issue. This issue can happen to the updated parts with heavy neglect on oil changes
@@michesbianan I just got a new Corolla 1.6 1ZR-FE 2022 model (Pakistan), so I guess I have updated part in my car?
@@zainulabideenzain3 Yes, correct.
Really helps to understand how it works. Great job!
I've had many Toyotas always very reliable just recently purchased a 2010 Toyota Corolla course when I purchased this used car it was already started prior to me getting there did not make noise next day starting I heard it I just wonder why Toyota had such a faulty part and why no recall so left with unfortunately trying to figure out how to pay for the fix cuz I cringe every time I start my car
Thank you for all this valuable information.
Now you changed one camshaft gear, but not the other ! Why ? Is it preferable to change both ?
Thank you for this very well presented informational video!. It helped me get my brother's VVT sprocket replaced the proper way and with great results.
You're completely right about Chevys!
He is absolutely right. I just had this fixed on my toyota rav4 2011.
would a pre-lube instal fix this issue? Or molybdemum oil additive? Maybe oil flush with the a.t.f. additive?
Is this job $2,000, and 8 hours long?
This is a gear problem not really a bad maintenance problem on the ones affected
Excellent educational video.
Fix my car after I researched the problem, I'm off on Thursday, so Thursday is the right time.
Excellent video. Fascinating. I really liked your discussion about what can happen if you just ignore this problem. My wife's car (not a Toyota) has been making this exact same startup noise for years. I'm hesitant to spend the big bucks to fix it. The noise has never really gotten worse (so far) and I listen for it all the time to make sure. Now I have a much better idea of what kind of risk I might be taking -- whoo boy! The car is a 2011 Elantra. I've heard that the noise can also be due to a faulty timing chain tensioner.
Thanks Richard UK
Great video brother. May the Lord bless you and keep you as well! Thank you.
I like what you said at the end, may the Lord continue to bless you. Thank you.. you are an expert and very informative you should consider being an instructor. First time seeing your videos .
Wow I googled this when I had a Lexus with the rattle most results said it was just an annoyance
Yes I learned something again. Thank you so much !!
I had the VVTI replaced at 180K on a ‘12 Highlander. Drove with the rattle for 75K miles. The dealership couldn’t diagnose it which was suspect to me. Repair cost $2700. It was worth it to me.
LMAO 2700
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Did that price only include the gear replacement, or did they remove the timing cover and inspect/replace guides as well?
@@FrankC76 they did the whole job and put in a new timing chain while they had it open. It was worth it and the Highlander runs like new. I currently have 207K miles on it. The repair was done at 180K.
Does this affect 2015 Rav4's? My mom has one that has a split-second rattle on startup that it has always had (since we got it with about 30k miles on it). Thanks!
That could be normal. A 2015 should have updated parts already and shouldn’t have this issue with good maintenance. If it stays exactly the same and never progresses you should be ok
@@TheCarCareNut Thanks for the reply AMD, I had the same question as this person. But I would also ask, at how many seconds of cold-start rattle would you start to consider a repair on the VVTI gear? (Assuming my model has the updated gear) I have a 2016 RAV4 made in Japan, so I hope I’m in the clear. It’s had a half-second rattle for a while now. Bought at 13k mi, and now has 57k miles.
My 2013 rav4 had the cold start rattle and my 2020 Corolla hybrid has it as well, so I don’t think Toyota has any updated parts to fix this old design problem.
Awesome info glad to see my engine not on that list
What a great day! I plan to do this on my boys 13 rav4 2.5