Don't see him as a romantic lead at all in this movie. Love Jack Black and he looks great but it screams platonic. Much more chemistry and fun with Arthur Abbott.
I really loved that the Kate Winslet and Jack Black relationship was so incredibly intimate and yet those scenes didn't end in sex. Nothing against sex, but it's so wonderful to see a man with other priorities who's capable of real vulnerability without a sexual agenda in a movie.
They got some kisses in at the end, but he "got" her, because their scenes took the time to allow him to do that. And together, they really helped another person in Arthur too, so... all in all, was really nice. I watch this movie every year and fast forward Cameron and Jude's scenes because I'm in it for Kate and Jack.
That’s one of the many reasons that The Holiday is one of my favorite movies of all time. Jack Black was quoted as saying that one of the reasons he accepted the role of Miles is so he can get paid to stare at Kate Winslet all day. 😅
I totally agree. I love and crave emotional intimacy. I love the intimate moments that come from trust, conversation, creating a foundation, and having similar values. I really hope he and Iris have a long term relationship.
For all that's wrong with Amanda and Graham in the Holiday, at least they were able to show that it's okay for guys to cry, a good dad relationship, and I'm glad they showed that Amanda genuinely took an interest in Grahams daughters because goals and values are essential in a relationship, not just "love," so it's good that those aspects sort of aligned there.
Even though Kate Winslet and Jack Black aren't the first romantic movie couple which springs to mind, but they have such natural chemistry together, that you can't help but root for Iris and Miles to get their own happy ending!
“Consent doesn’t ruin the moment, it actually makes it better.” This! Any time this channel has covered a scene where consent is explicitly asked for, my heart grows. We need more of that.
The Holiday is my favorite Christmas movie and if that's wrong I don't wanna be right. SIDE NOTE the scene where they are at the piano an he says "I also wrote one that sounds like you" and then proceeds to play a beautiful piece of music is in my opinion, the most romantic line in any movie ever.
Jack Black in The Holiday speaks my love language with his movie score game in Blockbuster and composing that for Iris ❤️ it is so gorgeous, with just a hint of melancholy for the bits of her that still need to heal. I love it so much! Beyond romantic, this couple is the BEST.
One of the most romantic lines in a movie ever for me is the part in PS I Love You where the main lead is about to hook up with her late husband's friend and she's comparing it to trying on shoes and about how she doesn't know which pair will fit right and his response is "why not go barefoot for a while?" AHHHHHH, I die every time I watch it lol
The Holiday is one of my favorite holiday movies exclusively for Jack Black and Kate Winslet. Jack Black is such a good romantic lead here and you never would've thought the two of them had chemistry at first but it is 🔥🔥🔥 Also loved Shona, she was a fabulous guest!
As dumb of a movie as The Holiday is, I love it! Seeing Kate Winslet find her strength & leave a toxic situation honestly helped me see my own toxic relationship for what it was. I eventually left my own terrible situation and every time I see this movie, I am encouraged that, even though things are sad and hard now, it can get better if you take steps to lead a healthier life
Yeah, the Iris part put wind in my sails to leave. I mean every time I saw that jerk Jasper taking advantage of her kindness I cursed at my now ex. 😅 Hoping I'll meet someone kind soon. I mean when I heard the tune Miles composed for her I started crying.
Same here as well,I left a toxic abusive relationship a year and half ago.Its hard letting go of what you thought and hoped they were, realize you can't fix a broken person that doesn't want want to work on themselves. But I have had the ultimate glow up since getting him out of my life. He said I would never be happy and it's feels great proving him wrong every day. No more walking on eggshells, worried about his temper and dealing with his narcissistic ego. I have an Iris moment once a week LOL
The secret about Last Christmas is that it isn’t the light fun Christmas Rom-com it was marketed as, it’s a film about depression and learning to live and love yourself again.
Bc of that I like it so much. Bc it wasn't a romcom its a journey of the proragonist with herself. It have a more heavy themes like depression, illness, being an inmigrant/refugee in a foreign country, trying to get on as an artist, difficult family ties etc. It have the Christmas spirit in it too.
Kate and Jack's relationship in the holiday helped me get through a break up in college. What Kate said really hit home. And I would listen to that scene often.
Riiight?! Same story here, when I watched this movie for the first time years ago, I was amazed how easily it pulled me out of that ugly state after a breakup with an abusive person. I've been Iris and when she gives that monologue, I don't get why Alan says it's poorly written, cause It spoke exactly to what I was feeling and thinking back then and exactly the discussion I had with my friends, so it looked pretty realistic to me.
I will add to the chorus of how much that monologue hits home for me when I think about a relationship that went particularly sour and how difficult it was to come back to myself from it. The writing is a little sappy but the feeling behind it and Winslet's brilliant performance of it really make it hit.
So, Alan hated the Holiday but loved the Christmas Prince? I've never been more confused than now. Never mind. The appreciation for the love story with Kate Winslet and Jack Black redeemed this for me.
There's a lot of people who absolutely love bad movies because they're bad, see the cult following of "The Room" (often referred to as the worst movie of all time) as another example. It's just funny to see how absurdly bad something is and have your mind blown at every moment about how it couldn't possibly get worse/cornier/make less sense etc., and then it does! And then people love movies that are really good or have really good elements they can hold onto. I think for Alan, the Christmas Prince falls into "it's so bad it's good", and other movies he likes fall into the "it's good" category, and (for him at least) The Holiday isn't bad enough to be a 'good' bad movie, but it's not good enough to be a 'good' movie, so he doesn't like it. Too in the middle! That's his opinion though, I love The Holiday lol. It's flawed, but it has enough really good elements in it that make me want to keep watching it and make up for the bad elements imo.
@@ZazzyKatori that was actually really well put! Lol I agree. My sister and I watch the Christmas prince every year because it's soooooo freaking bad and we love it 🤣
I love The Holiday, even though it's really cheesy and a fantasy, because I think it gives really good advice : "recognize when your relationship is toxic and leave it", "take risks after a loss because you need to start building your life again", "being old is not being half-dead", "humor is great but don't forget to be authentic too", "don't put your partner on a pedestal", "let yourself be vulnerable once in a while because that's the way you create real bonds" and especially "choose the partner who likes you for you, who you like for them, and who does not use you".
I rewatch The Holiday every year. I'm not sure if I love Iris and Mile's relationship or Iris's friendship with Arthur more. All three just seem like lovely real people with real issues they are working through and supporting each other with in a genuine way. It makes the Iris/Miles relationship feel a lot more real to me than typical romance movie relationships.
I think Iris's friendship with Arthur is healing her of bad friendships in London as well. We don't know a lot about her friends but the one coworker she talks to in the beginning tells her that she's pathetic... Not exactly good friend material. So once she forms an actual friendship based on love (simultaneously happening with Miles), she can regain her self worth and then enter into a healthy romance. It's really brilliant. I wish there were more co-ed platonic healthy friendship movies. 😂
@@SarahRichardsGraba Not only that, but Arthur’s encouragement of Iris to watch those old movies with powerhouse leading ladies was truly brilliant. Iris didn’t know how to assert herself, didn’t understand gumption, and didn’t know how to become “the leading lady of [her] own life,” and Arthur couldn’t tell her how. But, he gave her a multitude of examples, and she was able to be influenced by that and really grow as a woman and as a person. It was beautiful ❤️ Also, yes please x1000 to more platonic, healthy, co-ed friendships, and bonuses for intergenerational friendships!
@juliewagner3023 I just lost my own Arthur. His name was Robert, and he was 91 years old. I'm 26 and I was taking care of him during his last months of life. He was the sweetest, wisest soul and always encouraged me to believe I was capable of doing greater things, which made me decide to finally go to college and study what I really wanted. He told me constantly I was a smart and capable young person with a brilliant future ahead of me. I miss him a lot ❤
me and my friends watched 'Happiest Season' in our art class yesterday and once the movie ended we were all upset that Abby took Harper back. Harper was awful to her the entire time and then drove to this random gas station that she somehow knew Abby was at and then managed to get her happy ending. We were hoping Abby would end up with Riley, who treated her so much better and never crossed any lines, or to stay single and go home. We were all disappointed by the ending and complained about it for the rest of the afternoon.
I'm not saying I can speak for all lesbians as a lesbian myself, but, every lesbian that I've talked to about this movie completely agrees that Abby should have ended up with Riley, especially because there is already so little representation to begin with and no one should be subjugated to that sort of treatment from their partner regardless of the situation.
For me, the biggest problem with the movie is that Harper doesn't suffer any consequences for how she treated Abby. I think the movie would have improved a lot if Harper had chosen Abby over her family, but by her own decision and not because she was forced to come out.
Ths whole problem in the movie could've been solved by Harper just telling Abby the truth from the beginning and letting her know she wasn't out vs lying and then telling her 5 mins before she's expected to meet her family that they're just gonna act like "friends. The fact that she didn't give her a choice at that point is super fucked up
Alan, I disagree. Jude Law was not lonely. He was grieving. And she did not take advantage of his grief. The amount of betrayal that creeps into the heart when someone dates after losing a partner is maddening, and he is far too young to have lost his partner.
Single Father is a movie about a man whose wife died suddenly. They have 5 children; some are theirs and 2 are stepchildren. It shows his and his children's struggles and it's heart breaking. He does start to fall for his wive's best friend. It is too soon and messy, but realistic. And the children are chaotic and real.
Kates intro/relationship with ex in The Holiday was a gut shot. It hurt. Like its one of the most brutal scenes I've seen on screen in a romantic movie.
I saw The Holiday in the theater days after a Brit broke my heart. It should shock literally no one that it hit me hard, and I still don't enjoy the movie.
I love how he does the "big romantic gesture" by coming to see her, and she doesn't let herself get caught up in it. I love how she's like, "I deserve more than this."
I can't help it. I love the Holiday movie. You may call it bad writing.. but until you've lived with the whole unrequited love thing for as long as I did (about three times as long as Iris did in the movie) the fact that someone could articulate so clearly what that actually felt like meant everything to me. And Kate and Jack Black's romance are not dissimilar to how I fell for my husband- we became friends first and he supported me at my lowest when he didn't even have to.
... I can think of a couple inappropriate jokes about their nicknames, "The Wet Bandits" and "The Sticky Bandits." ... And that is enough of that. I need to go cleanse my mind now.
29:33 - 29:45 I saw a quote about this a few days ago and it immediately came to mind when you were talking about this, "If you spend your time chasing butterflies, they'll fly away. If you spend your time making a beautiful garden, the butterflies with come to you. And if they don't come, then you still have that garden." It's really deep if you think about it.
One Christmas movie dynamic I will never get over is The McAllister's and the McAllister adjacent family (the uncle and cousins and such.) Like Kevin is full on bullied and emotionally abused by his family and then blamed for their behaviour and gaslit into thinking it is all his fault and made to be the bad guy for lashing out. Kevin's parents are terrible parent's and his siblings and cousins are also awful people. Like that is a toxic family and household. No wonder Kevin wished them away twice. And the fact that social services didn't have the family on their radar after the first time only for it to happen again is unreal. Kevin is smart and savvy and a victim. He single handedly stops two home invasions and also shows kindness and empathy by reaching out to and befriending people who have been outcast by the society around them in the bird lady and the old guy who is the neighbour (can't remember his name). But like honestly if I were Kevin as soon as I became old enough to leave of my own accord I would get as far away from that family as possible. they feel incapable of changing. okay rant over. Merry Christmas you filthy animals.
Well put. I remember liking Home Alone as a kid and being horrified last year when I went to watch it with my kids. I was so angry at the toxic family my kids told me to "calm down, Mum. It's only a movie". But it wasn't just the fictional family that bothered me. It was the fact that a lot of families were like that at the time.
And because he eventually showed kindness towards the next door neighbour and the bird lady, they returned his kindness by saving him from Harry and Marv by way of a snow shovel and bird feed respectively. In all honesty, either of them could have adopted Kevin from his family, but I don't know if it would have worked that way.
True! I just watched both films, and while I do think in Home Alone it comes off a little more as just everyone is irritable because of travelling, and everyone's at fault for different things, Home Alone 2's beginning is kind of messed up. Kevin gets a solo at his Christmas Pageant, but his brother makes fun of him on stage, causing the entire auditorium to laugh at Kevin, including his uncle. Kevin pushes his brother, which causes a chain reaction of everyone on stage falling over, but it's clearly an accident. Then the family holds some kind of family meeting so Kevin and his brother can apologize to them??? Like, why does the family need an apology? And why would Kevin be expected to give one? The family accepts Buzz's half-assed and clearly fake apology with warm smiles, but does nothing to help Kevin. He's a 10 year old kid who had his solo ruined and was just embarrassed in front of a huge crowd of people, and the parents don't even tell Buzz he was wrong to do so, they just say "That was a lovely apology Buzz!"
I’m so so happy to find that the comments are echoing my thoughts on The Holiday. It’s my all-time favorite movie. I find the writing relatable and heartwarming and I think Amanda and Graham do just as much genuine work on their relationship as Miles and Iris. Sincerely, a fellow therapist
I had loved Kate Winslet before, but The Holiday - the silly movie that it is - really drove it home what a great actress she is (that was before Mildred Pierce and Mare of Easttown): she was so lovable and charming and relatable as Iris. Maybe it's because her character was just a regular woman going through stuff that most of us go through, it was easy to see how comfortably she inhabits that role. When she arrived in LA and couldn't contain her joy at being in such a beautiful house I kept thinking: yes, that's _exactly_ how I would behave too. And when she finally shows the door to the guy who was using her and then just checked herself for a moment to see if she was _actually_ happy about him being gone, before she proceeded to whoop for joy: that was perfect!
I love The Holiday (warts and all), and I would love to see you guys do an entire episode on it, talking about self acceptance and standing up for yourself and all the other wonderful things Eli Wallach teaches Kate Winslet.
I would LOVE to see a whole episode about Jack Black and Kate Winslet’s characters in the Holiday, and what they get right. Iris and Miles were always my favourite movie couple. Even just a therapist reacts episode on the Holiday in general- what both couples get right and wrong, and even in the case of Jude Law’s character, what he does and doesn’t get right in the parenting aspect.
Watching "the holiday" it's kind of a tradition, but its ending is always bittersweet for me because I end up thinking: Iris and Miles could work in real life, but Amanda and Graham couldn't. It's sad!
I honestly love The Holiday, it’s the only Christmas romance movie I like, although your criticisms are valid 😂 I like the themes of self-love throughout with Iris’s storyline
Thing is, the relationship between Amanda & Graham (Cameron & Jude) doesn't start with 'casual sex'; yes, he comes in drunk & she's feeling lonely(possibly still tipsy herself from earlier drinking), then he kisses her, they casually make out (during which they talk about having sex), then she decides not to & he's okay with that; so there was no taking advantage, in fact I think by the time they have sex (night b4 she's leaving), they were both completely sober; I understand how parts of the relationship development are problematic, but it's mistaken to say 'casual sex' is how Amanda & Graham's relationship *starts
@@neonjinn I like your attitude, but they *did* have casual sex after they discussed it that first night. After the second night of getting completely bombed and "call me old fashioned, but one does not have sex with someone who is unconscious," they talk about going out and genuinely getting to know one another because "I thought I was just someone you had sex with once and slept with twice." This shows they did sleep together that first night, soooo it is technically how they started.
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After the new year, I'd LOVE LOVE LOVE to see a "Therapist Reacts to 'The Intern,'" please please! The couples therapy needs, intergenerational friendship/mentorship, parenting and gender dynamics, ageism in the workplace, all of it! This movie is something my husband and I put on when we need something familiar and comfortable like a warm blanket!
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Same company that's behind Established Titles. Also, wish they would stop Better Help sponsorships because they're a shady company that treats its workforce and customers like crap and were exposed for this two years ago, but it seems everyone got collective amnesia and forgot.
@@DataLal Didn't know that about BetterHelp, but generally it looks like channels sponsor kinda crappy companies, but maybe that's because they're the cheapest and easiest to get, and really good companies don't need to spam their ads on youtube channels (maybe).
Jack Black is amazing in The Holiday. I also love the scene where Kate Winslet (I can't remember the characters' names) is reminded that she should be the leading lady of her own life.
Even Aubrey Plaza thinks that Abby should have ended up with her character Riley in "Happiest Season." Although it's understandable for Harper to be reluctant to come out to her ultra Conservative parents, she still threw her own girlfriend under the bus repeatedly, and still managed to get a happy ending.
Agreed! No disrespect to Jono and Alan but I hated Happiest Season. Yes Harper makes some steps after the whole debacle - but that initial mistake of not telling Abby she wasn't out until they're almost at the house?! And the whole time she's pitied as the orphan?! That's so much to thrust upon someone. Like if Harper had warned Abby when she invited her - something along the lines of "I'm not out to my family and we'd be considered 'just friends' but I don't want you to be alone this christmas. Please come with me." I would have been so much more understanding of Harper.
@@PianoCatProductions I completely agree, my fiancee and I were excited to watch this movie just to be disappointed. We were thinking it was gonna be more comedic but we were just mad and annoyed most of the time. Not saying any relationship is perfect, but my heart would break if I saw my fiancee flirting with her ex! Harper may not have had any romantic intent but the physical touch was flirty imo. Harper is an inconsiderate person and just unlikable as the movie progressed. Riley was a much better person, she was never flirty with Abby and was there to support her but never crossed the line. It would've been fine if Abby just didn't end up with anyone! If someone wants to watch a better LGBT Christmas movie, watch Single All The Way
Agreed, it's not that Harper couldn't come out to her parents, it's that she lied about it. Even worse, only told Abby about it when they're nearly there, in a car, so Abby had no choice but to go along with it really. And then I felt like Harper for the rest of the movie just makes these grand, empty statements and "I love yous" to Abby in private while doing nothing though her actions to back it up... it really dampened the romance part of the film for me.
When Shona did her little sound at the end, I was genuinely so delighted and endeared. I do that! I make baby veloceraptor noises when I get excited! Thank you for keeping that in. It absolutely made my day!
Dude Jack Black and Kate Winslet are a beautiful match in "The Holiday" and I feel like they should do another one. Please be in another movie together ❤️
My husband and I started out as strangers who had casual sex that wound up with us dating for 3 years, engaged for 1 year and married for almost 5. So almost 9 years total. Completely happy with a 1 1/2 year old. I'm not saying I recommend the path that we took lol but it does happen some times!
@@Scarygothgirl tbf they were talking about the drunk part of it all being not ideal, not the relationship starts with casual intimacy part. The complaint there was over the fact hollywood uses it a lot in romances, so more the trope.
@@glich6035but that's also a thing. Drunk encounters happen. It is realistic. And also a lesson in imperfect starts of relationships still leading to good relationships
As a demisexual person I enjoy the fact that your top couple was a couple that didn't immediately hop into bed with each other then it's true about what you saying sharing small amounts of love is more attractive
I prefer those kinds of relationships that take days, maybe weeks before they realize that they have feelings for one another instead of hooking up hours after they first notice each other and then feeling almost nothing towards one another the next morning. Shows that if you rush the growing process, it's not going to turn out the way you wanted it to. Attraction happens instantly, but actual love and romantic feelings take time to blossom. Rush the process of love and you get attraction instead.
Likewise, I'm also demisexual, and I really appreciated how Miles and Iris had an emotional connection before they developed feelings for each other, and once they got over their respective cheating exes, they were free to pursue a relationship. It's best to get to know each other as friends first.
FELLOW DEMI HERE AND Y E S!!! I LO V E D JACK AND KATE'S CHARACTERS AND THE WAY THE RELATIONSHIP ACTUALLY G R E W AND THEY REALLY GOT TO KNOW EACH OTHER!! Like I never thought I'd see Jack Black in a romantic lead role, but dude can really pull it off! I wish he were in more romance movies, idk, another thing I loved about their pairing is that it wasn't the overplayed HOT PEOPLE HOT PEOPLE couple we see so much. They got to see the inside of each other's hearts, learned the bad and most vulnerable parts of each other and then they grow together, like...ugh, it's beautiful.
Boys. You have to talk about Derek and Odette from Swan Princess. That relationship triggered me as a kid and I still can't unsee the f boy mentality there, glorified with a mix of "she tells him and opens his third eye chakra" and "well, I am stupid, but a prince".
If you haven’t done the movie About Time with Rachel McAdams, I would love to see you analyze it. You get to see so many relationship dynamics, healthy couples, unhealthy couples, friendship, father and son, and siblings. It’s one of my favorite romance movies for that reason.
Absolutely!! I LOVE THIS MOVIE! I love Domhall Gleason and Bill Nighy (both of whom I find very attractive, bc I guess I too need therapy) , and they are both amazing in this film. I also see so much of myself in Rachel Mcadams’ character, and seeing her, with all her flaws, build a genuinely happy, healthy, and passionate marriage with her hot tall Weasley brother gave me hope for my own relationships, since I want marriage but didn’t have a lot of good examples of that around me as a kid.
@@johansvensson833 No but they did say you were purchasing a 1 foor by 1 foot square of land when they literally cannot sell that and you certainly aren't buying that. Also their advertising REALLY heavily leans on the Scottish nobility/ lord or laid thing like it's in the name, they claim to sell titles.
I love White Christmas, and my favorite Betty and Bob moment is when she ends their initial argument by actually saying "Since the chance of our meeting again after after this evening is extremely remote, I don't think it's important for us to go on arguing" So rational, so calm... she's also a total hypocrite, but like Johno said she's accountable for it.
And Bob accepts her decisions. He doesn't press the issue, stalk her, try to wear her down. (and he's much more mature in outlook than his character in Holiday Inn).
@@calonkat literally!! he only goes and finds her when he finds out the truth about phil and judy to let her know their engagement was fake. and even when he asks her to get dinner with him to talk things over, and she refuses, he accepts her answer and lets her stay in new york like even though he doesn't understand why she's mad at him, he doesn't push her for answers or "closure" or anything.
This one was actually edited by David, but Sophie is a producer now, and there's a reason, we want her stamp on every episode, not just the ones she cuts or guest-hosts on!
The Holiday is one of my all time favourite movies. And Kate Winslet is magnificent in general. 4:28 Iris and Miles' relationship in The Holiday disproves that theory.
I feel like I was so on board for all things Cinema Therapy until now....The Holiday is one of my favorite movies!! How can you not like the script?! Such great lines and memorable comedy!
I was a seat filler at the NYC premiere of Last Christmas, which means I watched it in a theater with Emma Thompson and Paul Feig. It barely landed in the room filled with people primed to like it for politeness sake alone. On the plus side, I could clearly see Emma from my seat and she never stopped eating popcorn the whole time, even when talking to industry folks at the end. My Queen.
Last Christmas made me bawl like a freggin' baby! My brother needed an organ transplant when this came out and just knowing that there is a family out there who knows that their child gave us my brother back makes me mist up each time.
I would absolutely love to see your take on the Tom Hanks/Meg Ryan relationship in "You've Got Mail", and, by extension, the corresponding relationships in the old play and movie "Shop Around the Corner", 50s movie musical "In the Good Old Summertime" and the Broadway musical "She Loves Me". What makes that story premise so enduringly appealing to us?
Oh my gosh. I was just telling my mom how I can no longer hear my dad trying to imitate the "I'm dreaming of a white Christmas", and Jonathan's try was just so damn close I just burst into tears.
Last Christmas physically broke me. I literally went through a depressive episode after that movie. As soon as you said the title I prepared for tears. THEY DESERVED A HAPPY ENDING.
I am absolutely ecstatic to see you finally talk about the holiday! Sure, it has its flaws but it will always remain my most comforting Christmas rom-com!
Sigh… Happiest Season… As a woman who dates women, I love the representation of how scary and messy it is coming out, and what that can look like from a partner’s perspective. I related to Harper so much, but when she started actively hurting the ones she loved without ever drawing a single boundary she lost all respect from me (and a lot of queer people). To set a boundary you don’t have to come out, but she could have communicated to her parents that they can’t control her, or at least defended Abby (ya know without being threatened with a break up) and hello! Not framed her as a charity case?! Not to mention the immediate lie at the beginning, where she fully manipulated Abby into agreeing to hide everything when there almost already there (Abby also had no escape either :/ ). Harper was just not mature enough for this kind of relationship. Harper never really gets how bad she is either? At the end there’s a glimmer, but everything she does is so self serving. Even when she goes after Abby at the end it is to preserve her own happiness. They weren’t together that long, Abby is totally alone except for the fish (RIP) and Dan Levy, and based off the way Harper treated Abby at the first test of their relationship… idk. She was so toxic, in a really real way that was so triggering 😅 Plus! Aubrey Plaza is RIGHT THERE! Looking perfect in navy. IDK if it is just me (or rather me and all of my friends who agree) but we’d ditch the gf for Riley 😂
The holiday is my comfort christmas movie. I love it. Yeah you can argue about the relationship between Cameron's en Jude there characters. But the movie in it self is about different types of relationship, as Iris says in the beginning, love that fades, loves that is lost, unrequited etc. I love that it has aspect to life. And a lot off reality to it, because I know these people and these situations. I felt the same. The people in it are so loveable, like arthur. It makes me feel good seeing this movie🥰❤️ Also Iris her speech is amazing! I have felt this in my core with my ex. And he came back 2 times and just leave. To this day i am still mending for my broken heart. I will get there and maybe one day let someone in again.
Usually I really love your videos and your insights! That's why I was excited for this video, also because I saw The Holiday would be in it - one of my absolute favorite movies. And then I found myself nearly screaming with frustration at my screen around two minutes in... I pushed through and watched the whole video but still I'm frustrated. The movie follows the story of two complete different women and thereso different couples but basically it's the "love/lust at first sight" and "friends turned lovers" tropes and to see these two kinds of relationship beginnings makes the movie interesting and fun. To say that a relationship cannot be healthy just because it started with casual sex - no matter how much insight the couple shares with each other afterwards - ok, you're a family therapist Jonathan, I can get your take on this. I don't agree with you though, because I think it doesn't matter so much how a relationship starts (Graham is not that drunk by the way and he totally gives his consent!), it matters what the couple does with it and how they work through things, how they communicate etc. And Amanda and Graham do that, they spend time together, they share laughter, silly and serious, emotional things with each other, they put in the work. I totally don't get Alan's criticism of the dialogue. How is the dialogue in here worse than in A Christmas Prince? I share with you why I'm so defensive: there are two scenes, one with Amanda (talking to a not totally drunk Graham about how she thinks she's bad at the "sexual stuff" because her partners told her she is bad) and one with Iris (where she told Miles how long she held up hope for Jasper to come to his senses and how he used her again and again) and in both scenes the dialogue exactly says what I felt in my toxic relationship in my twentys. Like exactly! The first time I watched this movie I was crying so hard, 'cause I felt totally understood for the first time in just these two scenes. I call that very good writing! But yeah, different people, different opions, I guess.
I watched this video with my girlfriend who also loves this movie (and I definitely agree with you) and I can confirm that at least one other person did a lot of frustrated yelling. I also agree that the negative points about The Holiday seem extra ridiculous given that they ranked, of all movies, A Christmas Prince higher. They claim that The Holiday is cynical and hates movies, but the Christmas Prince??
Love that you included White Christmas, but it would have been great to have seen a couple of other classic Christmas movies with a strong romance storyline! These are my bread and butter, haha. Remember the Night, Christmas in Connecticut, It Happened on 5th Ave., The Shop Around the Corner, The Bishop's Wife, It's a Wonderful Life, Holiday Affair, etc. In case you ever want to do a Part 2 :)
I would’ve thought you would’ve found the Happiest Season far more problematic. Harper treats Abby terribly. If she wasn’t ready she shouldn’t have asked her to come. Abby should’ve ran off with Aubrey plaza lol
I deeply want you to do Stranger Than Fiction (the one with Will Farrell). The work therapist and the psychiatrist Farrell see are both awful, and the relationship between the IRS agent and the punk rock baker is something I love every time.
Recently I been thinking on what kind of relationship I want. And I suddenly recalled the #1 couple you chose and felt like they really got it right. Both very natural, open and respectful to each other. Plus I like his personality, it is easy to admire him! So nice you picked them as #1 🥰🥰🥰
We need more Hanukkah rom coms. I mean, we need more Hanukkah/non-Christian holiday rep in general, but it could be fun to see the couple light a menorah candle together or see their S/O bonding with each other’s family.
Don't forget the Chanukah party, in The Holiday! It was a nice surprise for me. And who better than real Jewish actors at the party; Eli Wallach, Shelly Berman and Bill Macy!
White Christmas remains one of my favorite movies of all time. I watch it year round. Such a perfect blend of hilarious comedy and impactful drama, all wrapped around an incredibly heart-warming premise. And the music is incredible.
I would love it if you guys reacted to the movie Klaus! It’s my all time favorite Christmas movie, with the lovely animation style and story that’s on par with Pixar and Disney’s best works! I would love to hear both of your thoughts on the complex characters and relationships as well as the storyline and schematics!
YESS- also I would love to hear Alan talk about the animation and cinematography because it’s so gorgeous in that movie. (The one thing I would change is the soundtrack, but other than that it’s so good)
Alan and John were really good in this one, but the editing made me laugh so hard so many times. God, I love whoever the editors are, cause they do some fantastic work.
I love the energy that Shona Kay brings and I also love how this is the loudest we've ever seen these two shout in a video. More guest appearances with Shona please and thank you.
I loved Last Christmas too, I loved the message, it's a lot about accepting and loving yourself, your community/family etc more than actual romance. Idk if id even say it's a romantic comedy.
I watched White Christmas last night I love how Bing has to work for Rosemary. Usually in his movies, he shows up like "I got these eyes, this voice, you want me" but not in White Christmas.
The Holiday is one of my all time favourite comfort movies - exactly because of Kate Winslet and Jack Black. A fun memory I have of this that I always think of when I watch it now is this one time i was talking to a friend about how people in movies doesn't cry realistically like - it is SO HARD to find a movie where the character just really ugly cries, because of many reasons and I jumped up from the couch like I know 1 movie where one of the protags ugly cries like all. the. time. Which is honestly something I relate to a lot. That uncontrolled emotions when you start talking about something you're vulnerable about and like how she walks around sobbing but still needs to feed the dog and do shit. It's so fucking relatable (and a little bit funny). Also Jack Black is so damn charming. You can't tell me that cheeky smile won't melt anyone.
Just FYI, might wanna drop the Kamikoto sponsorship. They flat-out lie about their "Japanese steel." Check the steel grading; it's literally equivalent to the cheap knives you pick up from Walmart. The company is run by the same company behind Established Titles, and have been sued for scamming customers in the past for other companies they've made.
“In Hollywood, that’s the only way you fall in love.” Thank you, Jono, for capturing one of my core problems with romcoms (I love the genre, but let’s not kid ourselves, it’s got some garbage tropes). I genuinely feel like stuff like this is what has influenced so many people, without them knowing it, to prefer dating total strangers, and trying to build a relationship on hooking up, rather than people they know and trust. Not saying this sort of thing doesn’t happen, and that it can’t work out, but still
You guys should review Last Holiday with Queen Latifah. It is _by far_ my favorite Christmas movie as a pagan witch. It's just so wholesome and encouraging. All about being yourself with everyone and showing enthusiasm and kindness to those around you. It shows that you can rock people's entire fucking world just by being a good person in a bad situation. Plus, Queen Latifah's acting is always so, so good. That woman is my bias and she's so talented between her acting, rapping, singing, just being amazing...
I loved the whole 'A Christmas Prince' triology. The cliché and typical predictability of it all just made it fun to watch without having to overanalyze anything. 😂💕
Agreed! It gives me similar vibes to Picture This (2008). WAY too predictable and playing into too many tropes to actually be taking itself seriously. I love that movie, but feel like Alan when showing it to other people 😅
As an aromantic, I appreciate what you said about there being more kinds of love than just romantic love. I love my husband very much, and it's hard for people to accept that when they find out I don't love him romantically. From what I've seen, if the only love you feel for your SO is romantic love, the relationship is doomed.
Please you have to do the movie holiday in handcuffs it's about a girl who kidnaps a guy and forces him to be the perfect boyfriend with her family who don't know that he's being forced or held against his will. It's hilarious
The Holiday was my favorite rom com growing up, and although when my family and I quote and reference it a lot we tend to remember the Amanda and Graham romance, it's the entirety of Iris' story, from her crummy ex to her friendship with Arthur and friendship and eventual romance with Miles that always resonated with me. It just felt so realistic in a way I couldn't identify at the time, but knew that it was refreshing compared to a lot of the other romances I'd seen on screen. Also the score in that movie was so good and works so well.
The 12:24 “Missing File” sent me. I’m closing my eyes and imagining the Tomatometer at 30% or whatever you guys wanted there. Y’all are amazing! Keeping up the great work!
I love coming home from a long day at school and then realising they posted. I really take an interest in therapy and how to recognise signs of certain feeling etc and it’s just really interesting to hear everything
i love the cute ending of kate and jack where they silently cheered that they got their date~ also! i was wondering if you guys would consider talking about the family stone?
Ngl I low key love The Holiday. Kate Winslet can do no wrong. The way they all meet and rush into everything by creating two love stories in a two week timespan is a bit toxic but the charming English cottage. The unrequited love backstory. I see Last Christmas at the Library, might have to scoop that up.
I think that's why the Iris/Miles side of the film is a lot better than the... you know, I can't remember the characters' names, either, and that probably does say something about that side of the story. 🙄 Iris and Miles don't rush it; if it wasn't for the last wrap-up scene of them all in England at New Year's Eve, nothing about it would feel terribly rushed, I think - it's left fairly open-ended, just "I enjoy being with you and I'd like to see if we can actually turn it into dating".
"And so he is legitimately who he presents to be. But it's not because he just like, arrived." Cut-to: "Giselle!" Another instance of lovin' your style, editor. Another good laugh out of that one.
I finally figured out where I know Shona! It is so embarrassing because I watched Austentacious about 20 times. She plays Emma and it is delightful viewing, like a warm hug. You were great in Moonstruck! It was really fun to see in theater.
I LOVE Relationship Therapy! I haven't even seen half of these movies, but I still understood the good and bad of the relationships because you each explain your thoughts so well. I am curious now what you would think of the relationship in Borrowed Hearts.
Love the Holiday! I didn't think the script was that bad; certainly better than most modern romantic films, though it admittedly still keeps a number of Hollywood tropes and staples. While I like both couples, I can totally understand and see the issues with Amanda and Graham - because yeah, it would be obviously sketchy had the roles been reversed. It's a "sweet in a movie, unhealthy in real life" Hollywood moment. I just appreciate that the Holiday felt like it subverted a lot of cliches that you see in Hallmark and B-rated romcoms. Like Iris' storyline is about finding her self-worth, and though it involves a lot of romantic themes, ultimately the end of her story happens when she finally realizes that the man she loved for years treated her horribly, and that she should treat herself and her life with more integrity. Amanda and Graham's story is much more focused on the romantic relationship, but I liked that with Amanda initially coming out of a long term relationship where her boyfriend cheated on her, she had to learn how to be vulnerable while also finding someone who viewed her more as an equal, which she deserved. Plus Graham being openly emotional and crying at the end was nice to see; he never pretended to be some super tough, closed off guy. (And Jack Black was perfect in the film).
I have a soft spot for that film, but. The story isn't that bad, but THE DIALOGUE. Ugh. Entirely, well, _written._ Only Kate Winslet and Eli Wallach can pull that off as charmingly as they do. :D (And I bet there was a lot of improvisation involved on Jack Black's side, because a lot of his lines did not sound like they were written by the same person. :D )
I was just hoping last week that you guys would cover the holiday. It’s one of my favorite movies. I watch it all year round because I find it comforting and funny. Kate Winslet’s opening monologue is the best part of it all.
I felt the lesbian closeting dialogue so hard... Not the same, but my husband and I are both bi and polyamorous. He's pretty certain he will lose his homophobic dad if either of us are ever totally out, and he isn't ready for that, so we aren't. While he isn't hiding me or our relationship in the way they are in that film, it still results in hiding pretty big parts of who I am, as well the women I date. And this is actually painful.
Right there with you. Bi, poly, and the only way I could be out to any of my family was one-on-one, behind closed doors. AFTER cutting all ties with my parents.
If he really loves his dad because of his good qualities (and not because of a toxic bond), then I would just lead the conversation by saying how much he cares about him and how much he doesn't want to lose him and that that's why he put this off even though it's really important to him. I believe hard conversations are always worth having. Consider reading the book "Crucial Conversations: Tools for Talking When Stakes are High"; it might change your life.
As someone who's been the hidden person in a polyamorous relationship where we all were queer (he was a bi cis man in a marriage with a bi cis woman, and I am bi/pan but was at the very beginning of my ftm transition at the time), it takes a huge toll. Honestly everyone involved suffers in their own separate ways, some more than others. Have you talked with your husband about how all of this effects you? And as someone who had to cut ties with all of my family, honestly it was all completely worth it even though I am horrifically poor now lol 😅but I understand not everyone is willing/able to let go of toxic family for multiple reasons. I just personally can't see the worth or point in holding on to people who deny your existence and basic rights as a person (again though I totally get it's hard to get to that point, and I kept trying for a decade to get my family to even try to understand. Also the potential financial hardship involved in cutting off family is a pretty big deciding factor lol)
@@its_the_bird I'm totally with you. I hate it on so many fronts and am so done with anyone who wouldn't accept me for who I am. The thing is, he has lost two father figures (one abusive ex-stepfather and a good stepfather who died literally in his arms), his mom has terminal cancer, and he knows how tenuous and superficial this relationship with his dad is but I think the trauma of these losses make the prospect of losing another parent feel immense. He knows it affects me and feels guilty about it, but he also gets panic attacks every time I bring up the subject. I probably need to badger him back into therapy again so he can work on this. I'm fortunate that I haven't been seriously involved with anyone who particularly wanted any involvement with my family, but that day will come and, as you rightly point out, it's really not right or even sensible to hide them at a certain point. Unfortunately though, this will probably have to come from me having to force his hand. And I don't know if I have the right to ask him to sacrifice this relationship just so I can feel more authentic but I think he would if I gave him an ultimatum. Though I worry that he may resent me if I did. Financially, though, we would be fine at least. My parents are well off and have honestly given us way way more help than his have.
I was wondering if for Couples Therapy ( as like a Halloween episode or something) if you wonderful people could please cover Nick and Amy Dune form Gone Girl? I think an analysis of their relationship would make for a fascinating conversation
The Holiday is one of the only films to realize Jack Black was an actual romantic lead and not just comedy relief.
Probably because he's one of the best comic reliefs there is lol. But yea, he can genuinely act.
Agreed, apparently, Jack signed on in the first place because he liked the thought of playing a romantic lead, which he'd never tried before.
Don't see him as a romantic lead at all in this movie. Love Jack Black and he looks great but it screams platonic. Much more chemistry and fun with Arthur Abbott.
Yeah it's weird like - I didn't realize how legitimately cute he was until this film. I"d have dated him
only movie I really like him in
I really loved that the Kate Winslet and Jack Black relationship was so incredibly intimate and yet those scenes didn't end in sex. Nothing against sex, but it's so wonderful to see a man with other priorities who's capable of real vulnerability without a sexual agenda in a movie.
This^.. There is nothing sexier than maturity and confidence like that. That's how you make a successful relationship ☺
They got some kisses in at the end, but he "got" her, because their scenes took the time to allow him to do that. And together, they really helped another person in Arthur too, so... all in all, was really nice. I watch this movie every year and fast forward Cameron and Jude's scenes because I'm in it for Kate and Jack.
That’s one of the many reasons that The Holiday is one of my favorite movies of all time. Jack Black was quoted as saying that one of the reasons he accepted the role of Miles is so he can get paid to stare at Kate Winslet all day. 😅
I totally agree. I love and crave emotional intimacy.
I love the intimate moments that come from trust, conversation, creating a foundation, and having similar values.
I really hope he and Iris have a long term relationship.
In my opinion "I wrote a song that sounds like you... I used only the good notes" is one of the most romantic moments in movie history
I love the pfp
OMG I agree!
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For all that's wrong with Amanda and Graham in the Holiday, at least they were able to show that it's okay for guys to cry, a good dad relationship, and I'm glad they showed that Amanda genuinely took an interest in Grahams daughters because goals and values are essential in a relationship, not just "love," so it's good that those aspects sort of aligned there.
This ❤
Yeah I really didnt hate it! Even though I think the Iris/Miles relationship is better
Even though Kate Winslet and Jack Black aren't the first romantic movie couple which springs to mind, but they have such natural chemistry together, that you can't help but root for Iris and Miles to get their own happy ending!
I loved their part in the movie. I thought Iris was a great character and I wish that the whole movie was about her and Miles.
I thought the opposite about Iris and Miles. There was no chemistry
They had zero chemistry and him constantly flirting with her when he still had a girlfriend was such a turn off.
@@Piecesoftheshadow yes yes thank you. I was like oh god I'm the only one thinking this 😅
ikr.. i've rewatch the holiday just because of kate and jack. I love their story in that movie.
“Consent doesn’t ruin the moment, it actually makes it better.” This! Any time this channel has covered a scene where consent is explicitly asked for, my heart grows. We need more of that.
The Holiday is my favorite Christmas movie and if that's wrong I don't wanna be right. SIDE NOTE the scene where they are at the piano an he says "I also wrote one that sounds like you" and then proceeds to play a beautiful piece of music is in my opinion, the most romantic line in any movie ever.
Jack Black in The Holiday speaks my love language with his movie score game in Blockbuster and composing that for Iris ❤️ it is so gorgeous, with just a hint of melancholy for the bits of her that still need to heal. I love it so much! Beyond romantic, this couple is the BEST.
“I used only the good notes” 💖💖💖
Me too! And I agree, it is just the sweetest.
One of the most romantic lines in a movie ever for me is the part in PS I Love You where the main lead is about to hook up with her late husband's friend and she's comparing it to trying on shoes and about how she doesn't know which pair will fit right and his response is "why not go barefoot for a while?" AHHHHHH, I die every time I watch it lol
I know, right?! That scene made me cry. I love this film!
The Holiday is one of my favorite holiday movies exclusively for Jack Black and Kate Winslet. Jack Black is such a good romantic lead here and you never would've thought the two of them had chemistry at first but it is 🔥🔥🔥
Also loved Shona, she was a fabulous guest!
As dumb of a movie as The Holiday is, I love it! Seeing Kate Winslet find her strength & leave a toxic situation honestly helped me see my own toxic relationship for what it was. I eventually left my own terrible situation and every time I see this movie, I am encouraged that, even though things are sad and hard now, it can get better if you take steps to lead a healthier life
Yeah, the Iris part put wind in my sails to leave. I mean every time I saw that jerk Jasper taking advantage of her kindness I cursed at my now ex. 😅
Hoping I'll meet someone kind soon. I mean when I heard the tune Miles composed for her I started crying.
Same here. This movie did a lot.
That’s awesome. So glad that you chose to prioritize and respect yourself and recognize your ex’s toxic behaviour.
Same here as well,I left a toxic abusive relationship a year and half ago.Its hard letting go of what you thought and hoped they were, realize you can't fix a broken person that doesn't want want to work on themselves. But I have had the ultimate glow up since getting him out of my life. He said I would never be happy and it's feels great proving him wrong every day. No more walking on eggshells, worried about his temper and dealing with his narcissistic ego. I have an Iris moment once a week LOL
@@natashareese6753Yeah you! 🎉🎉 Happy for you.
The secret about Last Christmas is that it isn’t the light fun Christmas Rom-com it was marketed as, it’s a film about depression and learning to live and love yourself again.
Bc of that I like it so much. Bc it wasn't a romcom its a journey of the proragonist with herself. It have a more heavy themes like depression, illness, being an inmigrant/refugee in a foreign country, trying to get on as an artist, difficult family ties etc. It have the Christmas spirit in it too.
Kate and Jack's relationship in the holiday helped me get through a break up in college. What Kate said really hit home. And I would listen to that scene often.
Riiight?! Same story here, when I watched this movie for the first time years ago, I was amazed how easily it pulled me out of that ugly state after a breakup with an abusive person. I've been Iris and when she gives that monologue, I don't get why Alan says it's poorly written, cause It spoke exactly to what I was feeling and thinking back then and exactly the discussion I had with my friends, so it looked pretty realistic to me.
Same. I saw the movie at a very hard time in my life, and it hit home.
I will add to the chorus of how much that monologue hits home for me when I think about a relationship that went particularly sour and how difficult it was to come back to myself from it. The writing is a little sappy but the feeling behind it and Winslet's brilliant performance of it really make it hit.
what minute can I find that part?
@@israelss 27.32 minute mark
The "My magic sex will fix broken boy" reference had me falling out of my chair.
One of the best quotes from this show! Also I saw your comment right at the part of the video when they said that!!
So, Alan hated the Holiday but loved the Christmas Prince? I've never been more confused than now. Never mind. The appreciation for the love story with Kate Winslet and Jack Black redeemed this for me.
There's a lot of people who absolutely love bad movies because they're bad, see the cult following of "The Room" (often referred to as the worst movie of all time) as another example. It's just funny to see how absurdly bad something is and have your mind blown at every moment about how it couldn't possibly get worse/cornier/make less sense etc., and then it does! And then people love movies that are really good or have really good elements they can hold onto.
I think for Alan, the Christmas Prince falls into "it's so bad it's good", and other movies he likes fall into the "it's good" category, and (for him at least) The Holiday isn't bad enough to be a 'good' bad movie, but it's not good enough to be a 'good' movie, so he doesn't like it. Too in the middle!
That's his opinion though, I love The Holiday lol. It's flawed, but it has enough really good elements in it that make me want to keep watching it and make up for the bad elements imo.
@@ZazzyKatori that was actually really well put! Lol I agree. My sister and I watch the Christmas prince every year because it's soooooo freaking bad and we love it 🤣
so many chirsmas prince and princess undercover movies exist
@@ZazzyKatori When I heard about the movie, made by Lucas, that he wanted to erase from existence, I just had to watch it. I found it here on RUclips.
thank you xD
I love The Holiday, even though it's really cheesy and a fantasy, because I think it gives really good advice : "recognize when your relationship is toxic and leave it", "take risks after a loss because you need to start building your life again", "being old is not being half-dead", "humor is great but don't forget to be authentic too", "don't put your partner on a pedestal", "let yourself be vulnerable once in a while because that's the way you create real bonds" and especially "choose the partner who likes you for you, who you like for them, and who does not use you".
I rewatch The Holiday every year. I'm not sure if I love Iris and Mile's relationship or Iris's friendship with Arthur more. All three just seem like lovely real people with real issues they are working through and supporting each other with in a genuine way. It makes the Iris/Miles relationship feel a lot more real to me than typical romance movie relationships.
I think Iris's friendship with Arthur is healing her of bad friendships in London as well. We don't know a lot about her friends but the one coworker she talks to in the beginning tells her that she's pathetic... Not exactly good friend material. So once she forms an actual friendship based on love (simultaneously happening with Miles), she can regain her self worth and then enter into a healthy romance. It's really brilliant. I wish there were more co-ed platonic healthy friendship movies. 😂
@@SarahRichardsGraba Not only that, but Arthur’s encouragement of Iris to watch those old movies with powerhouse leading ladies was truly brilliant. Iris didn’t know how to assert herself, didn’t understand gumption, and didn’t know how to become “the leading lady of [her] own life,” and Arthur couldn’t tell her how. But, he gave her a multitude of examples, and she was able to be influenced by that and really grow as a woman and as a person. It was beautiful ❤️ Also, yes please x1000 to more platonic, healthy, co-ed friendships, and bonuses for intergenerational friendships!
@@juliewagner3023 Intergenerational friendships are one of the most underrated types of relationships in Hollywood and that makes me sad😭
@juliewagner3023 I just lost my own Arthur. His name was Robert, and he was 91 years old. I'm 26 and I was taking care of him during his last months of life. He was the sweetest, wisest soul and always encouraged me to believe I was capable of doing greater things, which made me decide to finally go to college and study what I really wanted. He told me constantly I was a smart and capable young person with a brilliant future ahead of me. I miss him a lot ❤
me and my friends watched 'Happiest Season' in our art class yesterday and once the movie ended we were all upset that Abby took Harper back. Harper was awful to her the entire time and then drove to this random gas station that she somehow knew Abby was at and then managed to get her happy ending. We were hoping Abby would end up with Riley, who treated her so much better and never crossed any lines, or to stay single and go home. We were all disappointed by the ending and complained about it for the rest of the afternoon.
Yeah I was surprised to see that couple so high. Harper was terrible and not at all someone that should be seen as an ideal mate.
I'm not saying I can speak for all lesbians as a lesbian myself, but, every lesbian that I've talked to about this movie completely agrees that Abby should have ended up with Riley, especially because there is already so little representation to begin with and no one should be subjugated to that sort of treatment from their partner regardless of the situation.
For me, the biggest problem with the movie is that Harper doesn't suffer any consequences for how she treated Abby. I think the movie would have improved a lot if Harper had chosen Abby over her family, but by her own decision and not because she was forced to come out.
Ths whole problem in the movie could've been solved by Harper just telling Abby the truth from the beginning and letting her know she wasn't out vs lying and then telling her 5 mins before she's expected to meet her family that they're just gonna act like "friends. The fact that she didn't give her a choice at that point is super fucked up
Alan, I disagree. Jude Law was not lonely. He was grieving. And she did not take advantage of his grief. The amount of betrayal that creeps into the heart when someone dates after losing a partner is maddening, and he is far too young to have lost his partner.
With two kids!
Wife. Partners just shack up.
@@ebriggs3498 Partner is the commonly used word here in UK.
I don't like that she sleeps with him when he's very intoxicated, but otherwise, he's participating as a consentual adult in their relationship.
Single Father is a movie about a man whose wife died suddenly. They have 5 children; some are theirs and 2 are stepchildren. It shows his and his children's struggles and it's heart breaking. He does start to fall for his wive's best friend. It is too soon and messy, but realistic.
And the children are chaotic and real.
Kates intro/relationship with ex in The Holiday was a gut shot. It hurt. Like its one of the most brutal scenes I've seen on screen in a romantic movie.
I saw The Holiday in the theater days after a Brit broke my heart. It should shock literally no one that it hit me hard, and I still don't enjoy the movie.
I love how he does the "big romantic gesture" by coming to see her, and she doesn't let herself get caught up in it. I love how she's like, "I deserve more than this."
@@kaylabear5104 thats not really relevant to what happened in the movie. Thats like comparing something irl to a dream you had.
I can't help it. I love the Holiday movie. You may call it bad writing.. but until you've lived with the whole unrequited love thing for as long as I did (about three times as long as Iris did in the movie) the fact that someone could articulate so clearly what that actually felt like meant everything to me. And Kate and Jack Black's romance are not dissimilar to how I fell for my husband- we became friends first and he supported me at my lowest when he didn't even have to.
Wha!? I love The Holiday 😭 It feels really solidly written and enjoyable and feel-good
Y'all forgot the best Christmas relationship of all time, Marv and Harry!
Indeed, Harry and Marv are a bromance that we never knew about!
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I can think of a couple inappropriate jokes about their nicknames, "The Wet Bandits" and "The Sticky Bandits."
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And that is enough of that. I need to go cleanse my mind now.
They were so funny, you almost don't realise how toxic their relationship was. One was controlling, the other codependent. :))
Exactly! I'm gonna go look for edits of that now-
My favorite bromance before I even knew the term bromance!
29:33 - 29:45
I saw a quote about this a few days ago and it immediately came to mind when you were talking about this, "If you spend your time chasing butterflies, they'll fly away. If you spend your time making a beautiful garden, the butterflies with come to you. And if they don't come, then you still have that garden." It's really deep if you think about it.
One Christmas movie dynamic I will never get over is The McAllister's and the McAllister adjacent family (the uncle and cousins and such.) Like Kevin is full on bullied and emotionally abused by his family and then blamed for their behaviour and gaslit into thinking it is all his fault and made to be the bad guy for lashing out. Kevin's parents are terrible parent's and his siblings and cousins are also awful people. Like that is a toxic family and household. No wonder Kevin wished them away twice. And the fact that social services didn't have the family on their radar after the first time only for it to happen again is unreal. Kevin is smart and savvy and a victim. He single handedly stops two home invasions and also shows kindness and empathy by reaching out to and befriending people who have been outcast by the society around them in the bird lady and the old guy who is the neighbour (can't remember his name). But like honestly if I were Kevin as soon as I became old enough to leave of my own accord I would get as far away from that family as possible. they feel incapable of changing. okay rant over. Merry Christmas you filthy animals.
Well put. I remember liking Home Alone as a kid and being horrified last year when I went to watch it with my kids. I was so angry at the toxic family my kids told me to "calm down, Mum. It's only a movie". But it wasn't just the fictional family that bothered me. It was the fact that a lot of families were like that at the time.
And because he eventually showed kindness towards the next door neighbour and the bird lady, they returned his kindness by saving him from Harry and Marv by way of a snow shovel and bird feed respectively. In all honesty, either of them could have adopted Kevin from his family, but I don't know if it would have worked that way.
So so true.
True! I just watched both films, and while I do think in Home Alone it comes off a little more as just everyone is irritable because of travelling, and everyone's at fault for different things, Home Alone 2's beginning is kind of messed up. Kevin gets a solo at his Christmas Pageant, but his brother makes fun of him on stage, causing the entire auditorium to laugh at Kevin, including his uncle. Kevin pushes his brother, which causes a chain reaction of everyone on stage falling over, but it's clearly an accident. Then the family holds some kind of family meeting so Kevin and his brother can apologize to them??? Like, why does the family need an apology? And why would Kevin be expected to give one? The family accepts Buzz's half-assed and clearly fake apology with warm smiles, but does nothing to help Kevin. He's a 10 year old kid who had his solo ruined and was just embarrassed in front of a huge crowd of people, and the parents don't even tell Buzz he was wrong to do so, they just say "That was a lovely apology Buzz!"
Also, why does Kevin not have his own bedroom?
I’m so so happy to find that the comments are echoing my thoughts on The Holiday. It’s my all-time favorite movie. I find the writing relatable and heartwarming and I think Amanda and Graham do just as much genuine work on their relationship as Miles and Iris. Sincerely, a fellow therapist
I had loved Kate Winslet before, but The Holiday - the silly movie that it is - really drove it home what a great actress she is (that was before Mildred Pierce and Mare of Easttown): she was so lovable and charming and relatable as Iris. Maybe it's because her character was just a regular woman going through stuff that most of us go through, it was easy to see how comfortably she inhabits that role. When she arrived in LA and couldn't contain her joy at being in such a beautiful house I kept thinking: yes, that's _exactly_ how I would behave too. And when she finally shows the door to the guy who was using her and then just checked herself for a moment to see if she was _actually_ happy about him being gone, before she proceeded to whoop for joy: that was perfect!
Perfect😊
Just her eyebrow acting in that scene on the sofa with Black is insane.
Yeah. When she starts smelling the gas from the stove while bawling 😂 haha i think weve all been there! Hahaha
I love The Holiday (warts and all), and I would love to see you guys do an entire episode on it, talking about self acceptance and standing up for yourself and all the other wonderful things Eli Wallach teaches Kate Winslet.
Eli and Kate were so great together, too.
I would LOVE to see a whole episode about Jack Black and Kate Winslet’s characters in the Holiday, and what they get right. Iris and Miles were always my favourite movie couple. Even just a therapist reacts episode on the Holiday in general- what both couples get right and wrong, and even in the case of Jude Law’s character, what he does and doesn’t get right in the parenting aspect.
Now if someone would make a movie with Jack Black and Kate Winslet as the leads, playing out their character stories. Yes.🥰🥰
Watching "the holiday" it's kind of a tradition, but its ending is always bittersweet for me because I end up thinking: Iris and Miles could work in real life, but Amanda and Graham couldn't. It's sad!
I honestly love The Holiday, it’s the only Christmas romance movie I like, although your criticisms are valid 😂 I like the themes of self-love throughout with Iris’s storyline
Agreed although I don’t hate Jude Law and Cameron Diaz in this movie I like how there relationship grows throughout the movie.
@@ashleyjohnson9990 I agree. I like how differently the two relationships develop.
Thing is, the relationship between Amanda & Graham (Cameron & Jude) doesn't start with 'casual sex'; yes, he comes in drunk & she's feeling lonely(possibly still tipsy herself from earlier drinking), then he kisses her, they casually make out (during which they talk about having sex), then she decides not to & he's okay with that; so there was no taking advantage, in fact I think by the time they have sex (night b4 she's leaving), they were both completely sober; I understand how parts of the relationship development are problematic, but it's mistaken to say 'casual sex' is how Amanda & Graham's relationship *starts
@@neonjinn no they definitely have sex that first night. But after that they grow and develop their relationship
@@neonjinn I like your attitude, but they *did* have casual sex after they discussed it that first night. After the second night of getting completely bombed and "call me old fashioned, but one does not have sex with someone who is unconscious," they talk about going out and genuinely getting to know one another because "I thought I was just someone you had sex with once and slept with twice." This shows they did sleep together that first night, soooo it is technically how they started.
Ready to fight Alan over The Holiday, too. 😂 One of my favorite romcoms, let alone Christmas romcom. I’ll watch it any time of year. 😭
I’m right beside you!! It’s definitely one of my favorite movies! I think it’s super sweet ❤
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Did they ever address the Established Titles issue? I'm waiting for an apology or at least a statement.
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My favorite part of The Holiday is the friendship between Iris the elderly neighbor.
After the new year, I'd LOVE LOVE LOVE to see a "Therapist Reacts to 'The Intern,'" please please! The couples therapy needs, intergenerational friendship/mentorship, parenting and gender dynamics, ageism in the workplace, all of it! This movie is something my husband and I put on when we need something familiar and comfortable like a warm blanket!
YESSS I COUNDNT AGREE MORE
@@christinaandriani6087 I’m about to start asking for that video on every future one that comes out until I see it happen 🤣
I love that film!
Love that movie
YES!! This would be a perfect one to do on this channel!! Okay, thank you for the reminder, I need to go watch that again.
Your guest, Shona, is so great. She's so expressive and excited. I love that!
She's so fun!
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Same company that's behind Established Titles.
Also, wish they would stop Better Help sponsorships because they're a shady company that treats its workforce and customers like crap and were exposed for this two years ago, but it seems everyone got collective amnesia and forgot.
@@DataLal Didn't know that about BetterHelp, but generally it looks like channels sponsor kinda crappy companies, but maybe that's because they're the cheapest and easiest to get, and really good companies don't need to spam their ads on youtube channels (maybe).
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Jack Black is amazing in The Holiday. I also love the scene where Kate Winslet (I can't remember the characters' names) is reminded that she should be the leading lady of her own life.
Even Aubrey Plaza thinks that Abby should have ended up with her character Riley in "Happiest Season." Although it's understandable for Harper to be reluctant to come out to her ultra Conservative parents, she still threw her own girlfriend under the bus repeatedly, and still managed to get a happy ending.
Agreed! No disrespect to Jono and Alan but I hated Happiest Season. Yes Harper makes some steps after the whole debacle - but that initial mistake of not telling Abby she wasn't out until they're almost at the house?! And the whole time she's pitied as the orphan?! That's so much to thrust upon someone. Like if Harper had warned Abby when she invited her - something along the lines of "I'm not out to my family and we'd be considered 'just friends' but I don't want you to be alone this christmas. Please come with me." I would have been so much more understanding of Harper.
@@PianoCatProductions I completely agree, my fiancee and I were excited to watch this movie just to be disappointed. We were thinking it was gonna be more comedic but we were just mad and annoyed most of the time. Not saying any relationship is perfect, but my heart would break if I saw my fiancee flirting with her ex! Harper may not have had any romantic intent but the physical touch was flirty imo. Harper is an inconsiderate person and just unlikable as the movie progressed. Riley was a much better person, she was never flirty with Abby and was there to support her but never crossed the line. It would've been fine if Abby just didn't end up with anyone! If someone wants to watch a better LGBT Christmas movie, watch Single All The Way
Aubrey Plaza was the best in this movie! I actually thought she and Kristen Stewart really hit it off!
Agreed, it's not that Harper couldn't come out to her parents, it's that she lied about it. Even worse, only told Abby about it when they're nearly there, in a car, so Abby had no choice but to go along with it really. And then I felt like Harper for the rest of the movie just makes these grand, empty statements and "I love yous" to Abby in private while doing nothing though her actions to back it up... it really dampened the romance part of the film for me.
When she wanted to hang out w her ex and ditched Abby 😅
When Shona did her little sound at the end, I was genuinely so delighted and endeared. I do that! I make baby veloceraptor noises when I get excited! Thank you for keeping that in. It absolutely made my day!
Dude Jack Black and Kate Winslet are a beautiful match in "The Holiday" and I feel like they should do another one. Please be in another movie together ❤️
My husband and I started out as strangers who had casual sex that wound up with us dating for 3 years, engaged for 1 year and married for almost 5. So almost 9 years total. Completely happy with a 1 1/2 year old. I'm not saying I recommend the path that we took lol but it does happen some times!
It does work out that way for a lot of people
Yes, I disagree that it's an unhealthy way to start a relationship. Everyone is different and different things work for different people.
@@Scarygothgirl tbf they were talking about the drunk part of it all being not ideal, not the relationship starts with casual intimacy part. The complaint there was over the fact hollywood uses it a lot in romances, so more the trope.
@@glich6035but that's also a thing. Drunk encounters happen. It is realistic. And also a lesson in imperfect starts of relationships still leading to good relationships
As a demisexual person I enjoy the fact that your top couple was a couple that didn't immediately hop into bed with each other then it's true about what you saying sharing small amounts of love is more attractive
I prefer those kinds of relationships that take days, maybe weeks before they realize that they have feelings for one another instead of hooking up hours after they first notice each other and then feeling almost nothing towards one another the next morning. Shows that if you rush the growing process, it's not going to turn out the way you wanted it to. Attraction happens instantly, but actual love and romantic feelings take time to blossom. Rush the process of love and you get attraction instead.
same!
Likewise, I'm also demisexual, and I really appreciated how Miles and Iris had an emotional connection before they developed feelings for each other, and once they got over their respective cheating exes, they were free to pursue a relationship. It's best to get to know each other as friends first.
FELLOW DEMI HERE AND Y E S!!!
I LO V E D JACK AND KATE'S CHARACTERS AND THE WAY THE RELATIONSHIP ACTUALLY G R E W AND THEY REALLY GOT TO KNOW EACH OTHER!! Like I never thought I'd see Jack Black in a romantic lead role, but dude can really pull it off! I wish he were in more romance movies, idk, another thing I loved about their pairing is that it wasn't the overplayed HOT PEOPLE HOT PEOPLE couple we see so much. They got to see the inside of each other's hearts, learned the bad and most vulnerable parts of each other and then they grow together, like...ugh, it's beautiful.
I dont think that should be allocated as purely demisexual, either. It's just realistic.
Boys. You have to talk about Derek and Odette from Swan Princess. That relationship triggered me as a kid and I still can't unsee the f boy mentality there, glorified with a mix of "she tells him and opens his third eye chakra" and "well, I am stupid, but a prince".
If you haven’t done the movie About Time with Rachel McAdams, I would love to see you analyze it. You get to see so many relationship dynamics, healthy couples, unhealthy couples, friendship, father and son, and siblings. It’s one of my favorite romance movies for that reason.
yessss they need to do this one!! ☝️
And a career best performance from Bill Nighy
Yes!!
That easily became one of my favorite movies ever! And i never thought i could love a rom-com that much.
Absolutely!! I LOVE THIS MOVIE! I love Domhall Gleason and Bill Nighy (both of whom I find very attractive, bc I guess I too need therapy) , and they are both amazing in this film. I also see so much of myself in Rachel Mcadams’ character, and seeing her, with all her flaws, build a genuinely happy, healthy, and passionate marriage with her hot tall Weasley brother gave me hope for my own relationships, since I want marriage but didn’t have a lot of good examples of that around me as a kid.
The Holiday is a must-watch every year for me, and I've always been so disappointed Jack Black didn't do more roles like that.
I just watched "It's a Wonderful Life" for the first time last night and if it was on this list, George and Mary would DEFINITELY be top on my list.
It's a beautiful film and relationship. ❤️ We actually did a whole episode about it a couple years ago! ruclips.net/video/ZWhPl80IS_s/видео.html
@@CinemaTherapyShow I know. Your video is fantastic as well. Happy Holidays!
yees! I love their courtship especially, it's so funny and different.
A beautiful relationship! Just got back from the movies watching it with the family. Turns out it was my cousin’s first time watching it too!
Turn on the close captioning. Whenever Jono and Alan talk at the same time, it labels them "Internet Dads." *chef's kiss*
Careful guys, Kamikoto has already been outed as a scam. Chinese knives, not Japanese.
This.
Yep, same parent company as established titles.
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And heavily overpriced
I love White Christmas, and my favorite Betty and Bob moment is when she ends their initial argument by actually saying "Since the chance of our meeting again after after this evening is extremely remote, I don't think it's important for us to go on arguing" So rational, so calm... she's also a total hypocrite, but like Johno said she's accountable for it.
And Bob accepts her decisions. He doesn't press the issue, stalk her, try to wear her down. (and he's much more mature in outlook than his character in Holiday Inn).
@@calonkat literally!! he only goes and finds her when he finds out the truth about phil and judy to let her know their engagement was fake. and even when he asks her to get dinner with him to talk things over, and she refuses, he accepts her answer and lets her stay in new york like even though he doesn't understand why she's mad at him, he doesn't push her for answers or "closure" or anything.
"Well, I'll drink to that..."
"Be my quest"
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I LOVE how much we still get Sophie's voice and input through her genius editing. Never change, Queen!
Love Sophie !
Every dad at the end of a gay movie lol
This one was actually edited by David, but Sophie is a producer now, and there's a reason, we want her stamp on every episode, not just the ones she cuts or guest-hosts on!
The Holiday is one of my all time favourite movies. And Kate Winslet is magnificent in general.
4:28 Iris and Miles' relationship in The Holiday disproves that theory.
I feel like I was so on board for all things Cinema Therapy until now....The Holiday is one of my favorite movies!! How can you not like the script?! Such great lines and memorable comedy!
I was a seat filler at the NYC premiere of Last Christmas, which means I watched it in a theater with Emma Thompson and Paul Feig. It barely landed in the room filled with people primed to like it for politeness sake alone. On the plus side, I could clearly see Emma from my seat and she never stopped eating popcorn the whole time, even when talking to industry folks at the end. My Queen.
That’s nice that you actually explained that cause I wouldn’t have known otherwise.
Last Christmas made me bawl like a freggin' baby! My brother needed an organ transplant when this came out and just knowing that there is a family out there who knows that their child gave us my brother back makes me mist up each time.
I would absolutely love to see your take on the Tom Hanks/Meg Ryan relationship in "You've Got Mail", and, by extension, the corresponding relationships in the old play and movie "Shop Around the Corner", 50s movie musical "In the Good Old Summertime" and the Broadway musical "She Loves Me". What makes that story premise so enduringly appealing to us?
I was so irked by Meg Ryan just going "...oh, he lied to my face for months (and put me out of business) but it's so romantic!". Like, wtf?
Tom Hanks from You've Got Mail deserves the stalker version of Meg Ryan in Sleepless in Seattle
Oh my gosh. I was just telling my mom how I can no longer hear my dad trying to imitate the "I'm dreaming of a white Christmas", and Jonathan's try was just so damn close I just burst into tears.
Cinema 🌠Therapy🌠❤💖 much peace and love to you my friend. Merry Christmas!
Last Christmas physically broke me. I literally went through a depressive episode after that movie. As soon as you said the title I prepared for tears. THEY DESERVED A HAPPY ENDING.
GENUINELY, thank you for the spoiler that it doesn't have a happy ending because I was just about to watch it and don't need to be depressed!!! ❤
I am absolutely ecstatic to see you finally talk about the holiday! Sure, it has its flaws but it will always remain my most comforting Christmas rom-com!
Same!
Eli Wallach alone was worth the price of admission ^_^
Sigh… Happiest Season… As a woman who dates women, I love the representation of how scary and messy it is coming out, and what that can look like from a partner’s perspective.
I related to Harper so much, but when she started actively hurting the ones she loved without ever drawing a single boundary she lost all respect from me (and a lot of queer people). To set a boundary you don’t have to come out, but she could have communicated to her parents that they can’t control her, or at least defended Abby (ya know without being threatened with a break up) and hello! Not framed her as a charity case?! Not to mention the immediate lie at the beginning, where she fully manipulated Abby into agreeing to hide everything when there almost already there (Abby also had no escape either :/ ). Harper was just not mature enough for this kind of relationship.
Harper never really gets how bad she is either? At the end there’s a glimmer, but everything she does is so self serving. Even when she goes after Abby at the end it is to preserve her own happiness. They weren’t together that long, Abby is totally alone except for the fish (RIP) and Dan Levy, and based off the way Harper treated Abby at the first test of their relationship… idk. She was so toxic, in a really real way that was so triggering 😅
Plus! Aubrey Plaza is RIGHT THERE! Looking perfect in navy. IDK if it is just me (or rather me and all of my friends who agree) but we’d ditch the gf for Riley 😂
I want them to rank lesbian Christmas movie relationships now that there are more options 😅
I hated Harper SO much I couldn’t believe that they regarded it so highly.
OMG, the directors cut was twice as long! It was like hanging out with you guys for the evening. It was cool.
We had too much to say on this one! 🤣
@@CinemaTherapyShow that sounds so fun to see
The holiday is my comfort christmas movie. I love it. Yeah you can argue about the relationship between Cameron's en Jude there characters. But the movie in it self is about different types of relationship, as Iris says in the beginning, love that fades, loves that is lost, unrequited etc. I love that it has aspect to life. And a lot off reality to it, because I know these people and these situations. I felt the same. The people in it are so loveable, like arthur. It makes me feel good seeing this movie🥰❤️
Also Iris her speech is amazing! I have felt this in my core with my ex. And he came back 2 times and just leave. To this day i am still mending for my broken heart. I will get there and maybe one day let someone in again.
Usually I really love your videos and your insights! That's why I was excited for this video, also because I saw The Holiday would be in it - one of my absolute favorite movies. And then I found myself nearly screaming with frustration at my screen around two minutes in... I pushed through and watched the whole video but still I'm frustrated. The movie follows the story of two complete different women and thereso different couples but basically it's the "love/lust at first sight" and "friends turned lovers" tropes and to see these two kinds of relationship beginnings makes the movie interesting and fun. To say that a relationship cannot be healthy just because it started with casual sex - no matter how much insight the couple shares with each other afterwards - ok, you're a family therapist Jonathan, I can get your take on this. I don't agree with you though, because I think it doesn't matter so much how a relationship starts (Graham is not that drunk by the way and he totally gives his consent!), it matters what the couple does with it and how they work through things, how they communicate etc. And Amanda and Graham do that, they spend time together, they share laughter, silly and serious, emotional things with each other, they put in the work. I totally don't get Alan's criticism of the dialogue. How is the dialogue in here worse than in A Christmas Prince? I share with you why I'm so defensive: there are two scenes, one with Amanda (talking to a not totally drunk Graham about how she thinks she's bad at the "sexual stuff" because her partners told her she is bad) and one with Iris (where she told Miles how long she held up hope for Jasper to come to his senses and how he used her again and again) and in both scenes the dialogue exactly says what I felt in my toxic relationship in my twentys. Like exactly! The first time I watched this movie I was crying so hard, 'cause I felt totally understood for the first time in just these two scenes. I call that very good writing! But yeah, different people, different opions, I guess.
I watched this video with my girlfriend who also loves this movie (and I definitely agree with you) and I can confirm that at least one other person did a lot of frustrated yelling.
I also agree that the negative points about The Holiday seem extra ridiculous given that they ranked, of all movies, A Christmas Prince higher. They claim that The Holiday is cynical and hates movies, but the Christmas Prince??
Agreed, they heavily missed the mark on that one
Agreed! I love the Holiday, and I agree with your assessment ♥
Yes! Thank you for your comment! I was also yelling at my screen because I couldn’t see how she was taking advantage of him at any point
I think I have to agree with you :)
Love that you included White Christmas, but it would have been great to have seen a couple of other classic Christmas movies with a strong romance storyline! These are my bread and butter, haha. Remember the Night, Christmas in Connecticut, It Happened on 5th Ave., The Shop Around the Corner, The Bishop's Wife, It's a Wonderful Life, Holiday Affair, etc. In case you ever want to do a Part 2 :)
I would’ve thought you would’ve found the Happiest Season far more problematic. Harper treats Abby terribly. If she wasn’t ready she shouldn’t have asked her to come. Abby should’ve ran off with Aubrey plaza lol
Straight FACTS
@@ElaineLangFTW Well, GAY facts, actually
@@lauf4888 I walked right in to that one, lol
As an aroace, watching you rank romances is always so much fun
I deeply want you to do Stranger Than Fiction (the one with Will Farrell). The work therapist and the psychiatrist Farrell see are both awful, and the relationship between the IRS agent and the punk rock baker is something I love every time.
Such a great movie!!
Yeeeeeeeeeees I'd go the whole wide world to watch that movie haha
I love that movie!!!!! Sometimes I feel like the only person who remembers it XD
Such a good movie, changed my mind about Will.
Recently I been thinking on what kind of relationship I want. And I suddenly recalled the #1 couple you chose and felt like they really got it right. Both very natural, open and respectful to each other. Plus I like his personality, it is easy to admire him! So nice you picked them as #1 🥰🥰🥰
Yay! We did good!
We need more Hanukkah rom coms. I mean, we need more Hanukkah/non-Christian holiday rep in general, but it could be fun to see the couple light a menorah candle together or see their S/O bonding with each other’s family.
Don't forget the Chanukah party, in The Holiday! It was a nice surprise for me. And who better than real Jewish actors at the party; Eli Wallach, Shelly Berman and Bill Macy!
I don't celebrate Hanukkah and i would LOVE to watch a cheesy Hanukkah romance!
Your idea of have the characters lighting the candle sounds so romantic and intimate. Certainly would be down to watch something like that!
A solstice rom com would be lovely!
@@bjdefilippo447yes!
Happy Solstice!!
White Christmas remains one of my favorite movies of all time. I watch it year round. Such a perfect blend of hilarious comedy and impactful drama, all wrapped around an incredibly heart-warming premise. And the music is incredible.
I would love it if you guys reacted to the movie Klaus! It’s my all time favorite Christmas movie, with the lovely animation style and story that’s on par with Pixar and Disney’s best works! I would love to hear both of your thoughts on the complex characters and relationships as well as the storyline and schematics!
Klaus is one of my favorites, too, although it's not strictly a rom-com, despite having rom-com elements.
YESS- also I would love to hear Alan talk about the animation and cinematography because it’s so gorgeous in that movie. (The one thing I would change is the soundtrack, but other than that it’s so good)
Ohhh that would be so much fun, I love that movie and I watch it every year first with my partner and then my little siblings
Alan and John were really good in this one, but the editing made me laugh so hard so many times. God, I love whoever the editors are, cause they do some fantastic work.
The X files theme when referencing Alan’s kink 😂
I love the energy that Shona Kay brings and I also love how this is the loudest we've ever seen these two shout in a video. More guest appearances with Shona please and thank you.
Shona needs to be a permanent addition. Utterly endearing.
I would love to see While You Were Sleeping on a list like this. I didn't see half these movies, but I came for White Christmas. Best Christmas movie!
I immediately think of the kdrama While You Were Sleeping 😂 haven’t watched the movie yet
I love that movie, one of the best holiday RomComs!
I loved Last Christmas too, I loved the message, it's a lot about accepting and loving yourself, your community/family etc more than actual romance. Idk if id even say it's a romantic comedy.
I watched White Christmas last night I love how Bing has to work for Rosemary. Usually in his movies, he shows up like "I got these eyes, this voice, you want me" but not in White Christmas.
Come on, I LOVE "the Holiday"!!! It's in my top 3 RomComs ever! Number one might be "Crazy, stupid, love" 😍
The Holiday is one of my all time favourite comfort movies - exactly because of Kate Winslet and Jack Black.
A fun memory I have of this that I always think of when I watch it now is this one time i was talking to a friend about how people in movies doesn't cry realistically like - it is SO HARD to find a movie where the character just really ugly cries, because of many reasons and I jumped up from the couch like I know 1 movie where one of the protags ugly cries like all. the. time. Which is honestly something I relate to a lot. That uncontrolled emotions when you start talking about something you're vulnerable about and like how she walks around sobbing but still needs to feed the dog and do shit.
It's so fucking relatable (and a little bit funny). Also Jack Black is so damn charming. You can't tell me that cheeky smile won't melt anyone.
There are so many Christmas RomComs. Bridget Jones should also count as a Christmas RomCom. It starts in one Christmas and ends in another.
Just FYI, might wanna drop the Kamikoto sponsorship. They flat-out lie about their "Japanese steel." Check the steel grading; it's literally equivalent to the cheap knives you pick up from Walmart. The company is run by the same company behind Established Titles, and have been sued for scamming customers in the past for other companies they've made.
“In Hollywood, that’s the only way you fall in love.” Thank you, Jono, for capturing one of my core problems with romcoms (I love the genre, but let’s not kid ourselves, it’s got some garbage tropes). I genuinely feel like stuff like this is what has influenced so many people, without them knowing it, to prefer dating total strangers, and trying to build a relationship on hooking up, rather than people they know and trust. Not saying this sort of thing doesn’t happen, and that it can’t work out, but still
man, Shona is basically is my favorite part of this episode
Ours too.
Same she's wonderful! Watched her in a Christmas movie before about a dude in a cabin and she CARRIED that whole damn movie with her superb acting.
ACCIDENTAL BOOB GRAZE! That made me laugh so hard.
Yes, I loved her too!
@@emiliawilson4378 Oh, I think I know which film that is. THAT is why she seemed familiar!
I ironically adore the Christmas Prince series, and the other cliche Netflix Christmas movies. they're fun and easy watching
You guys should review Last Holiday with Queen Latifah. It is _by far_ my favorite Christmas movie as a pagan witch. It's just so wholesome and encouraging. All about being yourself with everyone and showing enthusiasm and kindness to those around you. It shows that you can rock people's entire fucking world just by being a good person in a bad situation. Plus, Queen Latifah's acting is always so, so good. That woman is my bias and she's so talented between her acting, rapping, singing, just being amazing...
"That's because you're stupid and you've failed at everything you've tried." This is the kind of straight talk I need from a therapist! 😆
I loved the whole 'A Christmas Prince' triology. The cliché and typical predictability of it all just made it fun to watch without having to overanalyze anything. 😂💕
Agreed! It gives me similar vibes to Picture This (2008). WAY too predictable and playing into too many tropes to actually be taking itself seriously. I love that movie, but feel like Alan when showing it to other people 😅
@@Asharra12 Exactly! And I'm also just curious if there's other people who'll enjoy it like me 😆😅
As an aromantic, I appreciate what you said about there being more kinds of love than just romantic love. I love my husband very much, and it's hard for people to accept that when they find out I don't love him romantically. From what I've seen, if the only love you feel for your SO is romantic love, the relationship is doomed.
Please you have to do the movie holiday in handcuffs it's about a girl who kidnaps a guy and forces him to be the perfect boyfriend with her family who don't know that he's being forced or held against his will. It's hilarious
Toxic family is very prominent in that movie.
OMG yes, that movie is a guilty pleasure of mine, I love it so much. I mean who doesn't love Melissa Jone Hart.
Love that movie!
Sounds like a relationship that can only be healthy and 100% therapist approved!
I was trying to remember the name of this movie. Its awful. I love it!
The Holiday was my favorite rom com growing up, and although when my family and I quote and reference it a lot we tend to remember the Amanda and Graham romance, it's the entirety of Iris' story, from her crummy ex to her friendship with Arthur and friendship and eventual romance with Miles that always resonated with me. It just felt so realistic in a way I couldn't identify at the time, but knew that it was refreshing compared to a lot of the other romances I'd seen on screen. Also the score in that movie was so good and works so well.
The 12:24 “Missing File” sent me. I’m closing my eyes and imagining the Tomatometer at 30% or whatever you guys wanted there. Y’all are amazing! Keeping up the great work!
The Last Christmas story was previously done years ago in Return to Me with David Duchovny and Minnie Driver. I liked both.
Thank you! I was trying to think of that title without having to bother looking it up. 😂
I love coming home from a long day at school and then realising they posted. I really take an interest in therapy and how to recognise signs of certain feeling etc and it’s just really interesting to hear everything
i love the cute ending of kate and jack where they silently cheered that they got their date~
also! i was wondering if you guys would consider talking about the family stone?
Ngl I low key love The Holiday. Kate Winslet can do no wrong. The way they all meet and rush into everything by creating two love stories in a two week timespan is a bit toxic but the charming English cottage. The unrequited love backstory. I see Last Christmas at the Library, might have to scoop that up.
I think that's why the Iris/Miles side of the film is a lot better than the... you know, I can't remember the characters' names, either, and that probably does say something about that side of the story. 🙄 Iris and Miles don't rush it; if it wasn't for the last wrap-up scene of them all in England at New Year's Eve, nothing about it would feel terribly rushed, I think - it's left fairly open-ended, just "I enjoy being with you and I'd like to see if we can actually turn it into dating".
"And so he is legitimately who he presents to be. But it's not because he just like, arrived." Cut-to: "Giselle!" Another instance of lovin' your style, editor. Another good laugh out of that one.
I finally figured out where I know Shona! It is so embarrassing because I watched Austentacious about 20 times. She plays Emma and it is delightful viewing, like a warm hug. You were great in Moonstruck! It was really fun to see in theater.
I LOVE Relationship Therapy! I haven't even seen half of these movies, but I still understood the good and bad of the relationships because you each explain your thoughts so well. I am curious now what you would think of the relationship in Borrowed Hearts.
Love the Holiday! I didn't think the script was that bad; certainly better than most modern romantic films, though it admittedly still keeps a number of Hollywood tropes and staples. While I like both couples, I can totally understand and see the issues with Amanda and Graham - because yeah, it would be obviously sketchy had the roles been reversed. It's a "sweet in a movie, unhealthy in real life" Hollywood moment. I just appreciate that the Holiday felt like it subverted a lot of cliches that you see in Hallmark and B-rated romcoms. Like Iris' storyline is about finding her self-worth, and though it involves a lot of romantic themes, ultimately the end of her story happens when she finally realizes that the man she loved for years treated her horribly, and that she should treat herself and her life with more integrity. Amanda and Graham's story is much more focused on the romantic relationship, but I liked that with Amanda initially coming out of a long term relationship where her boyfriend cheated on her, she had to learn how to be vulnerable while also finding someone who viewed her more as an equal, which she deserved. Plus Graham being openly emotional and crying at the end was nice to see; he never pretended to be some super tough, closed off guy. (And Jack Black was perfect in the film).
I have a soft spot for that film, but. The story isn't that bad, but THE DIALOGUE. Ugh. Entirely, well, _written._ Only Kate Winslet and Eli Wallach can pull that off as charmingly as they do. :D (And I bet there was a lot of improvisation involved on Jack Black's side, because a lot of his lines did not sound like they were written by the same person. :D )
I was just hoping last week that you guys would cover the holiday. It’s one of my favorite movies. I watch it all year round because I find it comforting and funny. Kate Winslet’s opening monologue is the best part of it all.
I felt the lesbian closeting dialogue so hard... Not the same, but my husband and I are both bi and polyamorous. He's pretty certain he will lose his homophobic dad if either of us are ever totally out, and he isn't ready for that, so we aren't. While he isn't hiding me or our relationship in the way they are in that film, it still results in hiding pretty big parts of who I am, as well the women I date. And this is actually painful.
Right there with you. Bi, poly, and the only way I could be out to any of my family was one-on-one, behind closed doors. AFTER cutting all ties with my parents.
If he really loves his dad because of his good qualities (and not because of a toxic bond), then I would just lead the conversation by saying how much he cares about him and how much he doesn't want to lose him and that that's why he put this off even though it's really important to him. I believe hard conversations are always worth having. Consider reading the book "Crucial Conversations: Tools for Talking When Stakes are High"; it might change your life.
As someone who's been the hidden person in a polyamorous relationship where we all were queer (he was a bi cis man in a marriage with a bi cis woman, and I am bi/pan but was at the very beginning of my ftm transition at the time), it takes a huge toll. Honestly everyone involved suffers in their own separate ways, some more than others. Have you talked with your husband about how all of this effects you? And as someone who had to cut ties with all of my family, honestly it was all completely worth it even though I am horrifically poor now lol 😅but I understand not everyone is willing/able to let go of toxic family for multiple reasons. I just personally can't see the worth or point in holding on to people who deny your existence and basic rights as a person (again though I totally get it's hard to get to that point, and I kept trying for a decade to get my family to even try to understand. Also the potential financial hardship involved in cutting off family is a pretty big deciding factor lol)
@@its_the_bird I'm totally with you. I hate it on so many fronts and am so done with anyone who wouldn't accept me for who I am. The thing is, he has lost two father figures (one abusive ex-stepfather and a good stepfather who died literally in his arms), his mom has terminal cancer, and he knows how tenuous and superficial this relationship with his dad is but I think the trauma of these losses make the prospect of losing another parent feel immense. He knows it affects me and feels guilty about it, but he also gets panic attacks every time I bring up the subject. I probably need to badger him back into therapy again so he can work on this. I'm fortunate that I haven't been seriously involved with anyone who particularly wanted any involvement with my family, but that day will come and, as you rightly point out, it's really not right or even sensible to hide them at a certain point. Unfortunately though, this will probably have to come from me having to force his hand. And I don't know if I have the right to ask him to sacrifice this relationship just so I can feel more authentic but I think he would if I gave him an ultimatum. Though I worry that he may resent me if I did. Financially, though, we would be fine at least. My parents are well off and have honestly given us way way more help than his have.
@@franceskoz thanks for the rec! I really hope we get to that point someday. 🤞🏻
I was wondering if for Couples Therapy ( as like a Halloween episode or something) if you wonderful people could please cover Nick and Amy Dune form Gone Girl?
I think an analysis of their relationship would make for a fascinating conversation