I loved the part at the end of Tangled when Rapunzel’s long, beautiful golden hair is cut off and Eugene makes that playful comment that he has always had a thing for brunettes. Her hair was the only thing that was ever considered worthwhile or special about her and Eugene tells her straight away that he loves her new hair with the underlying meaning that he loves her with or without her special gift without her having to ask him for reassurance. He already anticipated something that could bother her and immediately reassured her in a playful, lighthearted way.
It’s also something I notice throughout the whole movie Mother Gothel only gives affection to Rapunzel’s hair. She’s always touching it and calling her “my flower” where as Eugene is usually pulling the hair behind her ears and looking at her face.
O'Malley and Duchess from Aristocats are the most underrated Disney couple I think. Yet no one ever talks about their relationship. O'Malley was willing to take on three kids that weren't even his for Duchess! That says a lot!
Its even funnier, because in Tangled the Series he asks her to marry him 3 times and she says no the first few times because she wants them to take it slow. So haha its the other way around that's why Rapunzel goes eUgEnE!!
I love Zachary Levi!!! If you liked his character, check out some other stuff he's in(Chuck is AMAZING, if you like comedy/action/drama. That came out before tangled and he is just such a fun actor)
In case of Eugene and Rapunzel I love that the series explains why she did not accept his proposal many many times. She was not ready, and he knew and understood and waited for her. I love that the movie explored that idea and worked with it in the series the complete their journey.
@@pippaschroeder9660 uhhh you could be right i don't remember right now if he accepts her proposal in the boat or the other way around. Need to watch it again
@@TANATOR02 they don’t propose on the boat. There is a voiceover at the very end where Eugene says that after years and years of asking he finally said yes
@@pippaschroeder9660 oh no i am talking about the series which comes after the movie. The voice over was a hint because Eugene and Rapunzel had so much trouble proposing to each other. Eugene did it three times and Rapunzel did it two times. Rapunzel rejected him two times because she was not ready to be "tied down" because she was restricted so much by gothel and then a little bit by her father and so Eugene waited for her to be ready (she proposed in that time but he said he knows she is not ready and just proposed because she was almost loosing him to another woman) and so on and so forth. I just watched it again and Eugene proposes on a boat with a cupcake hehe.
@@pippaschroeder9660 other way around Eugene narrating says after time and time and time he finally said yes Rapunzel then says: Eugene....? Eugene: Fiiine I was the one asking Rapunzel: and we are...? Eugene: Living happily ever after (Lines may not be written 1:1 cuz I live in Latin America so, spanish dub is the one Ik but thats the gist of the ending narration)
One thing I love about Eugene and Rapunzel is that throughout the movie, Rapunzel grows in confidence and shows just how competent she is in these crazy situations, and instead of Eugene being threatened by that and like "noooo you're supposed to let me save you!! I feel emasculated by your skills and talents!" instead he's impressed and grows in respect for her. AND it brings him joy to see her being her big, true, free self when she is getting free of abuse. That to me is a huge marker of a healthy relationship.
something I always love about tangled is how Flynn moving her hair out of her face symbolizes how he sees her for herself and not for her hair unlike Mother Gothel.
Also I’d like to add with the Felix and calhoun one that when he calls her a dynamite gal- her trigger- and she has a ptsd flashback, he never says it again or alludes to it in any way. And when they get married, they address her concerns and add extra protection to make her feel safe. That is how you handle things like that.
That’s how it was with my boyfriend and I! I have some trauma from past relationships, and whenever something like that is triggered, he doesn’t blame himself or me. Instead focuses on making me feel comfortable and safe, then not triggering it again. I love Felix and Calhoun so much.
The thing that most people don’t know is that the prince never asked or ordered the search for Cinderella using the shoe, it was all his father. He was so desperate for his son to get married and wanted grandchildren so bad that when Cinderella ran away he got so mad and said that whoever fits the glass slipper the prince is to marry. The duke actually tells him that there’s no way she’s the only one with this shoe size and the king just says that it’s the prince’s problem. So yeah, the prince did remember Cinderella’s face and we actually see that in Cinderella 3 a twist in time :)
seriously!! it's so aggravating that so many ppl who talk about the movie miss this detail---they think they're being so clever in poking holes in the logic of a fairy tale, but the movie already addressed it, so this kind of take just becomes an incredibly obvious telling on themselves that they didn't actually watch the movie 🙄
cinderella 3 goes even deeper into their relationship and i love how it fleshes both cinderella and henry even more! the entire thing is cinderella trying to fix what lady tremaine has done and get the wand back, WITHOUT remembering the year she's spent with henry, and the two of them just fall into love with each other so well throughout the movie! i'd rank their relationship higher tbh XD
I feel like Tangled is less “bad guy with a heart of gold/bad guy with soft spot for girl” and more of a “nice guy with a heart of gold who tries to be a bad guy as a coping mechanism” he put up walls his entire life because he’s only known loss and loneliness. That’s what makes it different and I think that’s why it feels better than most “bad guy turns good” movies and storylines Edit: I’m sick and tired of all the comments about age. She turned 18 on the day the movie takes place. He is 26. While that is a troubling age gap, and it is a little bit risky seeing as she’s only been 18 for a day, he was not taking advantage of her at all. It’s evident throughout the movie that he GENUINELY falls in love. And it’s mutual before he even tries to do anything. It’s a VERY healthy relationship, and while the age gap is upsetting for a lot of people, I hope you can see how I feel about the fact that they genuinely care about each other. Edit: He was not 26 when they met, he was 23, he was 26 when she turned 21. So my point stands anyway, but those of you who are uncomfortable with the age, I hope this changes your mind
One of the best relationships to me is David and Nani from Lilo and Stitch. David doesn’t even have to improve throughout the entire movie. He’s just as he needs to be from start to finish. He understands that Nani is under too much pressure to be in a relationship, even though he has obvious feelings for her. Instead, he is just there for her and Lilo, not just because he likes Nani, but out of the kindness of his heart.
Exactly! A lot of guys in that situation would “be there for them” except they’d be expecting something in return. David only wanted to help because he saw them in pain, he never expected to get anywhere with Nani, and I love that sm
Lilo and Stitch is a great movie in general. The characters are amazing, and the two main messages are great: a family doesn't have to be a mom, a dad and the children, it can be anything. And the message of "no matter what's your past or conditions, you can find your place somewhere". Also I love how the characters have realistic body proportions?? Nani doesn't have the classic Disney Princess look, and yet her character design is so amazing.
Seeing both Rapunzel and Eugene influence one another over a period of days versus an instantaneous moment of falling in love is so beautiful to me. Same thing with Tiana and Naveen, I just adore the couples that both have their faults but use their personal strengths to help their partner grow.
@@unvoicedapollo3318 don't get me wrong, I enjoyed Frozen II. But I definitely believe that Tangled is also worthy of a movie sequel, so long as it does the original story justice. The series is great and proves the possibility is definitely there.
My girlfriend is very quiet and for the first two years of our relationship I thought that I was responsible for her being more open and louder, but I was completely wrong and selfish to think that. She was actually just becoming more and more open and inviting as time went on by my side. She just needed someone who encouraged her to be open. I wasn’t the reason for her change I was just a pillow that was comforting her experience I was just playing a support character and she was carrying the team.
I'm surprised you missed Eugene reciprocating Rapunzel's "loving the real you" thing. At the end, when Eugene sees Rapunzel with dark hair because her powers are now gone, the first thing he says is something like "I love brunettes."
The thing about Eugene in Tangled is he didn't change for her. He shed the persona he had put on himself, to make himself more attractive, more successful, more whatever all he thought he needed to be and just was himself when he was with her. He didn't change, he just relaxed. Which didn't mean he lost everything he had become with the persona, some of it remained. Some of it was the same. He just left behind the parts that weren't true to himself.
And we got to see more of that in the series. In the first season he was very much Flynn Rider, but that was while he was in the palace around people he'd stolen from and lied to and also people who could push aside the fact that he saved their daughter and throw him in jail immediately. When it was just him and Rapunzel, he was himself. He was Eugene. Throughout the last two seasons, you see even more of that growth as he learns more from Rapunzel about being true to yourself, and here's my favorite example. In the series Promo Before Ever After, he proposes to her and she turns him down. Specifically, she runs out of the room in a panic, which is the worst kind of no you can get besides a laugh. In season two, he's about to try again but Rapunzel is still not ready. He was questioning it, then he found his ex, things happened, and Rapunzel tried to tell herself she was ready to be engaged. But he knew she still wasn't ready, and stopped her mid-proposal to say he was fine waiting. I LOVE the writers of Tangled for that. They showed even more growth in their relationship than we hoped for, and boy oh boy was it beautiful. Watch the series if you haven't, it's AMAZING.
I love how Disney didn’t try to make Felix and Calhoun about “Fix-it”ing Calhouns PTSD. That he didn’t ask her to “move on” or “be okay” when those triggers happen. Even at their wedding, when normally any concept of a previous tragic marriage is avoided like the plague they still accommodated her needs by having EVERY soldier aiming at the church window. And Felix didn’t think that was something that needed fixing. I think it’s a beautiful story and for people with PTSD it isn’t common enough.
People think trauma means you're broken. Really it's the fear of breaking something the same way. Felix made her comfortable to accept her fears and address them so she can love again instead of run away from those emotions. He fixed her views of herself, that she was never broken to begin with.
In defense of Aladdin. He didn't necessarily become "Prince Ali" JUST to impress Jasmin. He did it because, BY LAW, she can ONLY marry a Prince. So it was a little bit of a political move, not just a romantic one. But yeah. Lying to get into a relationship is always bad.
Also, to be fair for Jasmine and Aladdin, they didn’t get married right away after the first movie either. The second movie ends with them agreeing to adventure out into the world together and the 3rd movie is when they’re finally getting married.
@@dinnahenna4163 They don't rewatch the movies before hand. They obviously watched it before but not while filming the video. Alan preps some clips of the movie and Jonathan reacts to it. So they base their knowledge on what they remember and the few clips shown.
It's worth remembering that, when a lot of the earliest cliche fairytales were written, most people had arranged/introduced marriages, and very few people married because of true love. The 'love at first sight' trope seen in early fairy tales is SUPPOSED to be unusual and unlike the norm. People back then wanted to hear stories about love that was so much grander, purer, and more perfect than the love they experienced - a love so singular, that the two people fell in love before even knowing eachother's names.
True, and very rimantic, but setting a very unhealthy and unrealistic standard of romantic love, in movies aimed at young children, so still potentially problematic, even in its time
as someone whose never been in a relationship, this is not just entertaining on a sweet disney romance level, but it's really teaching me what makes a worthwhile relationship! I really feel so much better about waiting to find someone who I really click with rather than try to fit the mold so I can start dating asap. I love this channel sm!
Having dating experience is generally a good idea. It helps you see what you like and don't like. I dated many people before I found my husband. Some people do get lucky in relationships, but experience teaches lessons to help you keep the relationship you want. Just something to keep in mind.
Here's an idea: do the Disney couples of the more obscure Disney movies. Duchess and O'Malley, Roger and Anita, Robin Hood and Maid Marian. Maybe they don't have much conflict between them, but that's why I love those couplings, they're just super wholesome! ^,^
@Jonathan Wolfe I like that one too! They establish the relationship right away so there's no need to distract from the story. And I also like how it's Bianca who makes the first move.
In defense of prince charming, shoes in that era were custom made for the wearer, even for the lower classes. So it was perfectly reasonable for him to use the shoe as a means of identification. Also, in the original the ball was a masquerade (no way of knowing what she looks like) and lasted for three days (more chances to interact and get to know each other.
I'll always love the classic Tumblr post about how he has horrible face blindness and the shoe is literally the only way he can recognize her without the outfit.
I saw a post on Tumblr (because of course it was) pointing out that Calhoun has a proper traumatic flashback when Felix calls her a "dynamite gal" and his response to it was immediately avoiding the trigger, supporting her without requiring an explanation, and eventually making sure she felt safe and comfortable enough to face her trauma when she was ready to do so. I was ECSTATIC to see you'd placed them as number one in that list, because I completely concur 8D
Same here! I'm so glad they acknowledged the nuance in the Nesquiksand scene (Tamora feeling bad about hurting Felix's eye and not wanting to hit him, but accepting it since it was their only escape and he could heal himself) because it shows that she's not one of those "we made this female character strong by having her be sadistic and violent" types. She only uses force when someone is a threat to themselves or others, or if there's no other option Also these two do indeed have a very happy marriage - in post-movie content like Disney Heroes: Battle Mode (and even in their few scenes [and deleted scenes] from Ralph Breaks the Internet) they're always calling each other sweet nicknames, holding hands, being affectionate, working well as a team, and respecting each other without trying to change each other. They're a lot like Gomez and Morticia and I really wish we had more Felix and Tamora content out there!
Also yes on great portrayal of PTSD! In addition to everything you said, they also showed how PTSD can manifest in "big" and "little" ways. Like when we first see a flashback of her backstory when she's walking towards the Sugar Rush tunnel, she just kinda freezes before becoming aware again, but later in the shuttle with Felix she has a full-on panic episode. And even though Felix doesn't understand at first, he figures out pretty fast not to say "dynamite gal" around her anymore and is supportive of her, while she treats him as an equal as well and never looks down on him for being small or mild-mannered.
@@fishdude2954 thank you so much for these additions! especially your interpretation of why she hit Felix in the first place with the Nesquicksand. That is EXACTLY right. The violence was ONLY resorted to because he was endangering them both, and all other options had been exhausted. It's been YEARS since I've seen the movie, so I knew there were other examples of the handling of her PTSD, but they didn't spring to mind, so much appreciated on the assist 8D
Calhoun definitely hit the jackpot, she found a partner who will never die on her. One tap of the Hammer and he's good as new. Felix, of course, also hit his jackpot, but for...different reasons.
The thing with Rapunzel and Eugene is, if you continue with the series, their relationship only gets better. They're both so supportive of each other, and have such a good friendship alongside their romance. I love it so much LOL
He's so supportive throughout the series. He recognizes her desire for independence since she hadn't had it for so long, he gives her space, but also let's her knows he'll be there for her when ready. He doesn't push her throughout the series at all and allows her to find her way while supporting her desire to learn to explore, and later to rule. Dude is a gem.
Rapunzel is the worst and most toxic girlfriend to Flynn! She always lets Cassandra or anyone else always insult him while just standing there without saying a word, keeps secrets from him, draws his face on a punching bag just for Cassandra and never even apologizes for it, travels back in time to fix his personality, ignores him on the day of hearts and rejects his proposals several times even though in the movie she wanted to give up everything just to save him at the end, are you kidding me? This seems so out of character for her! And this whole rejecting marriage plotline is just a sign that they don't fit together and such a relationship could never work in real life and we shouldn't teach kids that it could, then little girls will just expect to much and end up in a divorce later in life! This just couldn't work! No self respecting man would put up with being rejected twice or would wait years to be able to truly be together with a girl if he really wants to marry her. And it just couldn't work if one person wants to get married and the other doesn't because then one person would always have to give in and in the series Flynn always has to give in, Rapunzel never does. And this just isn't fair or healthy! What about his feelings and his wishes? Why do only her feelings and wishes matter? In a healthy love relationship, both opinions should matter! And if they have such different opinions and life goals, then it just couldn't work! And then it would be time to break up! And no man would put up with this in real life unless he is a simp but Flynn wasn't one in the movie and according to his backstory he was an egoistical jerk before he met her, so it would make no sense that he could change from an egoistical player into a simp in such a short time and it's not good that Disney is sending little girls such a message. It's no wonder that so many relationships nowadays don't work out and end in a divorce or a break up if we are teaching women that they should expect that men would always give in and ignore their own wishes and opinions while the women never give them anything in return and instead act like they don't really care about them, put their female best friends always above them, just stand there while they are bullied constantly and reject their proposals several times! And it's so unfair because if the roles were reversed everyone would agree that this is toxic but if a guy is treated like that it's ok. That's such a double standard. And Rapunzel having trauma is no excuse, because he also has trauma. He grew up alone and unloved in an orphanage and on the streets and he always treats her right. This is just unfair and toxic and it angers me that people call this the healthiest relationship in Disney when it's actually toxic and when there are other Disney couples who are very healthy but are always forgotten like Tarzan and Jane or Robin Hood and maid Marian. And people shouldn't criticize the other princess couples for marrying so early when that is just how things worked back then when the stories are set. If anything they should criticize them for getting together so fast because back then people got engaged quickly after falling in love and there is nothing wrong with being engaged, you could be engaged for months or a year before marrying and they should have just done that with Rapunzel and Flynn. And he didn't even propose after a few days but after a few months, and for this time period that's an equivalent for a few years in our time, so it was the right time and she should have said yes. And the way this scene is framed, it looks like she wanted to say yes but then thought about how her life would be then and if that seems so horrible to her then she shouldn't be with him anymore! Flynn deserves better, he deserves someone who accepts his proposal the first time and who doesn't subconsciously consider marriage to be a trap. Whoever considers marriage to be a prison shouldn't even have a relationship! And two people who have such different wishes and goals just don't fit together and this could never work! And why is marrying framed to be bad even when it's after they know each other for months but sacrificing yourself for the other even when you have only known each other for a few days framed to be alright? If you want such a modern relationship with such problems, then don't bring in a scene in the movie when both are literally willing to give up their lives for each other after having known each other just for such a short time! And if you want to show such a romantic and touching scene where two characters want to give up anything for each other because they love each other so much, then don't ruin it later with such nonsense where she literally rejects promising to stay together with him and only to love him! It seems so ridiculous that they say she wouldn't give up her freedom for him, when she was literally willing to do that for all eternity for him in the movie! It just makes no sense! It makes that whole scene of the movie unbelievable! And why does marrying him even mean she has to give up her freedom??? It only means that if you secretly want to break up or cheat! It's just a promise to only love each other and to not break up anymore! And if she truly loved him, she would want that and not see it as having to give up her freedom! And it's just not healthy that only he wants that and this just wouldn't work and he's always treated so badly and not allowed to have a different opinion! When he has another opinion than her just once, then she travels back in time to fix his personality and people are seriously calling this healthy??? I know that wasn't her intention but she seemed to be perfectly ok with it at the end and acted like it's right that his opinion was altered against his will even though he was right at first! Flynn deserves so much better! It's also cruel that they changed his personality so much and made him so stupid! I refuse to believe the Flynn in the movie and the one in the series are the same character! It's just so cruel what they did to him just because of modern feminism and because Frozen made more money! But in my opinion they completely destroyed Flynn and their relationship and i wish they never made this stupid series in the first place! The story was over, there was nothing more to tell and they just ruined the beautiful love story of the movie for me and above all sent horrible messages like marrying means giving up your freedom or that a man's opinion shouldn't matter and that he should always have to change his opinions and wishes for his girl while the girl never has to make any compromises and always gets anything she wants and is worshiped all the time by her man while she never gives him anything in return and ignores his feelings and needs because they apparently don't matter! It's just not fair! And I will never forgive them all of that and never stop hating this series and I can only still enjoy the movie if I count this as not canon!
@@mariechen4375 I really red all of it and i think i got it, despite i am german 😅 I love the movie and have not watched the series so far. After your comment i will not watch, because i love Eugene and Rapunzel in the movie so much and dont want to spoil it for me. Maybe I am a bit in love with him myself 😂 (and I am 35 years old 😅).
what i've always loved dearly about the animated cinderella is the arc of a person who has been in an abusive home for most of her life learning what it means to deserve love and affection. yes, she dances with someone handsome and he finds her attractive as well, but they also walk and talk for hours on the grounds (although we the viewers get it as a montage). as the clock strikes midnight, they've been sitting and talking to each other when she needs to make a magical quick get away - her excuse is, "the prince! i haven't met the prince yet!" and the prince has a visible reaction when he realizes she spent all this time with him, not because she's after the crown, but because she genuinely enjoyed his company. i think that's the actual important moment in the new relationship, not the locking eyes and dancing a waltz. cinderella gets a lot of hate from folks who haven't watched her movie in a long time (or ever). but i think those folks underestimate how powerful it is to find affection when you've been told all your life that you are garbage, barely fit to serve the people who were supposed to love and protect you the most, when you finally accept (accept and believe, not realize) your humanity and your dignity and your wholeness. and if you actually watch the movie, you find a much more interesting personality than "just be nice all the time, even to your abuser!" or "omg he's cute i'm in love". she has sarcasm, wit, emotional endurance, softness, and yes, incredible compassion. she has to hide her personality to her abusers to survive, but she's still there. idk, it's really easy to dismiss femininity and softness. the femmes who use traditionally masculine tactics to succeed at their goals are not the only strong femme characters; sometimes strength looks like the emotional fortitude to stay alive with your heart intact.
I love this response. I've always found Cinderella to be one of the more compelling female leads in a Disney film because yes, she does have this seemingly impossible capacity for compassion despite her circumstances, but she's not completely blind to her situation. She knows her step-sisters and step-mother are utterly garbage people, and I love that in those moments where she is alone in her reality, she'll make a sarcastic or biting comment on them. And I absolutely agree with your comment on the power of affection. As someone who's been in an abusive relationship, you really are ground down to relying on sheer faith and the belief that you'll love again, especially when it comes to regaining the love you have for yourself. There's beauty and romance in that quiet strength you need to push through another day and realize that even if it's only until midnight, you can experience a real connection with someone again and let yourself shine through.
Another thing about them is Charming and Ella were both in rough situations where they needed a solution. Their marriage was based on affection, true, but also practicality. Ella (Cinderella was a nickname from her stepsisters) needed an escape from her family; Charming needed to marry Someone because his father, the King, commanded he do so. It was just fantastic that they found someone they liked.
One of the changes which the movie made was to make the stepsisters ugly. In the original fairy tale they were beautiful like Cinderella. The Prince choose Cinderella because of her interior beauty. I always loved that about Cinderella. In spite of her horrible, unjust circumstances she was cheerful, kind, patient, and fully self possessed and would not become bitter. What an important lesson for all of us!
I want to give Cinderella a little more credit. She was the only person at the ball with no interest in Prince Charming (she didn't even know who he was!). All the other guests were there to secure a marriage, she just wanted a nice night out for what was probably the first time. She was the only guest who saw him as a person and not a title, and he showed her kindness and affection.
Yess!! Time to let Cinderella shine she deserves more yess!! She wasn’t out searching for him. She wanted out from her abusive life for once. He sorta helped her out of it.
Sorry but I believe you might have misunderstood this part, the guys only mentioned the problem with Prince Charming. They said they wouldn't call that love, and I agree with them. I know Cinderella animated movie is a classic, however it is interpreted that Cinderella and Prince Charming are in love, after they only met once and they haven't really talked to each other. Also the whole trying the shoe on every single women is kinda stupid, how can you forget how the love of your life looks like? It is a good story but we cannot say they have a healthy relationship based on the animated movie.
@@esztellakiss2982 this is a movie where birds help Cinderella shower! If you take issue with the unrealistic romance and the shoe-fitting, then you must take issue with the talking mice, pumpkin carriage and fairy godmother. It's a fairytale. All the fantastical elements are supposed to be symbolic.
But in the movie she says that she never got to dance with prince charming after the bell rung (she didn't know she was already with him) so technically she did come for prince charming lol
We need a part 2 or even a part 3 or 4, other interesting Disney romances: -Felix and Peppa -Tiana and Naveen -Ariel and Eric -Anna and Kristoff -Aurora and Phillip -Belle and Beast -Pocahontas and John -Anastasia and Dimitri Edit #1: Newly added -Tarzan and Jane -Wall E and Eve -Lady and Tramp -Bambi and Faline Edit #2 Newly added part 2: - Hercules and Meg - Mulan and Shang - Roger Rabbit and Jessica Rabbit -Milo and Kida -Bernard and Ms. Bianca -Duchess and O'miley -Esmeralda and Phoebus -Carl and Ellie -Nani and David -Giselle and Robert More: -Max and Roxanne -Goofy and Sylvia -Mickey and Minnie -Donald and Daisy
never say anything bad about felix and pepa. ariel and eric are problematic sis literally sold her voice for a dude nobodys worth that much belle and beast i'm not getting into just- no. only tiana and naveen and felix and pepa and anna and kristoff
oh god and aurora and philip are WORSE than snow white and her guy. he met her when she was a baby. and then once when she was a teenager. then kissed the corpse. i'm seeing a theme.
Pocahontas and John Smith is literally the worst of all of them because their story was based loosely on real life people. The real life Pocahontas wasn't an independent, strong, sassy, woman... she was a child, and being abused and raped by grown ass men. The fact that Disney chose to turn such a tragic REAL story into a cartoon is really shameful. I used to like it as a kid, especially the raccoon and hummingbird and grandma willow... But its like a seriously messed up movie... I can never see it the same way again. Man Disney has a LOT of really problematic content. How do they keep from getting cancelled?
I will say I love Snow White as an art form. It was the first full-length traditionally animated feature EVER. People in the business thought Disney was crazy trying to make a full-length animated movie. He took a huge risk to make it, changing the history of animation/cinema forever! Because it is the first full-length animated film, it earns a top place in the best-animated movies. Just don't build relationships off of it.
I never can believe how slow people were to pick up on new ideas for technology, even as recently as back in the early 20th century. The public certainly sided with Disney. Meanwhile, I suppose Snow White is supposed to take place in what, the 15th-16th century? What do they expect? 😂
The criticism people make of Snow White from the point of view of how real relationships are supposed to work annoys me and is colossally unfair. It always seems to be based in ignorance on why the film was made, how it was made, and who made it. It completely ignores the fact that: A) It's meant to entertain first and foremost (which all movies are), not be a blueprint for how to live your life. There has never been any point in time where Disney has stated that their films are meant to educate or tell people how to live. Their primary mission statement from the beginning has been to entertain. People who think otherwise are factually and historically incorrect. B) As you said, it was the first ever full length animated feature film. They were still in the early stages of the art form, which means there were still things that needed time to be improved. One of these was animating handsome men. At that point they had figured out beautiful women enough to convincingly animate Snow White, but the Prince was difficult for them so he doesn't appear in the film much as a result. The animation for the Prince in Cinderella a little over 10 years later is a huge improvement, but they didn't really have the handsome prince type of character animation perfected until Sleeping Beauty, which was released a little over 20 years after Snow White! C) It is a straight up a classic fairytale, told with the same kind of simple story telling that you would see in fairy tale books (which was smart, considering the huge risk making this film was). The filmmakers knew that, and weren't trying to pretend it was anything other than that. For scenes like the wishing well scene, where Snow meets the Prince, they did experiment in the early stages of development of having the Snow and the Prince have a conversation with each other. But ultimately, they didn't feel that it worked, and decided that going with a musical number and a more fairytale approach to the scene would make it more timeless. And quite frankly I think they were right to do that. D) Animated films are made by real, regular people, who have real relationships, real dating experiences, and real marriages. Walt Disney himself was happily married for a little over a decade at the time Snow White was released! So the idea that the people who made this film are trying to get a message across that real romance is supposed to look like the romance in Snow White is patently absurd.
@JessAnderson1988 I agree! Not to mention romance wasn't even the focus of the movie. The Prince was essentially the prize Snow White got for being kind and compassionate and virtuous even when she was subjected to cruelty and abuse by her own family. Not to mention we should consider when this movie came out. Snow White was released during the Great Depression, and it was a reminder of hope and love. Romance wasn't really even the main plot, rather it was about a girl who suffered tremendous abuse and came put stronger and kinder.
@@JessAnderson1988 Totally agree with you. And it's a film for children! This is my all time favourite Disney princess, and I can safely say that I didn't stand by a well singing for my prince to come as an adult. I enjoyed the movie for what it was- a happily ever after fairy tale.
The difference with Flynn and Repunzel is that it isn't "Bad guy turns good for a woman" and more "Bad guy turns good for a friend". Because he changes to be good before there's any romantic intention you can't pin it to the former trope, he changes because for what is probably the only time in his life there is a good person willing to be good, truthful, and accepting to him and considering he's a good person at heart he replicates those feelings and attitudes
I disagree that he's a bad guy, but I agree with him changing after finding someone who speaks to his good nature. He isn't really a bad guy to start with. He's playacting at being a villain at best; he actually comes off more like a good guy who is also a career art thief because he romanticizes the Robin Hood lifestyle. He's very smart and cunning to have pulled off the heists that he's wanted for, but nice guy who got kicked by the system isn't a real villain. The moment "Flynn Ryder" had something better to do, Eugene popped out and stayed. I heard a podcast where they said Ursula from Little Mermaid shouldn't have been killed, she was a victim of Triton's kingdom and shunned for breaking the laws. BUT, if you go through juvie for a felony, get out and start dealing crack outside middle schools (making a real-world comparison to Ursula here), clearly you aren't making life choices that benefit others. Flynn Ryder was little better than a petty thief and changed his ways immediately. Ursula spent 50 years loan-sharking and breaking kneecaps out of spite over someone else's actions.
@@damienstadler8919 Eugene stole royal jewels and countless other things to make him so infamous. Every villain and bad guy has a reason for being, but Eugene is a good person at heart which is, like I said in my comment, why he changed once he had a relationship of any type with another good person. But that doesn't mean he didn't start out as a bad guy. Ursula was just plain bad, she manipulated and attempted to ruin the life and reputation of a very naive young woman just because of spite against her father. No matter what effects were in her life to cause that those were her choices as reactions to her pain, and even if she couldn't control her pain she can definitely control her reaction. This is also in part true for Eugene, but his reactions didn't involve manipulation and derangement, just thievery to get by and hopefully into a better position in life. Both are bad, one is much worse, and both can change even if only one actually did. But just because they can change doesn't excuse what they did. Even if they did change, they do deserve a second chance but you can't forget what they did as if they never did it.
He really just had better company! Its easier to want to be who you are/benefit those around you when you have people and support worth being better for.
I'd like to see your ranking of Disney friendships. Characters like Woody and Buzz, Vanellope and Ralph, Timon and Pumbaa, Lilo and Stitch, Lumiere and Cogsworth, Marlin and Dory... there's a whole bunch that are each unique, with their own level of animosity that they overcome.
The only relationship that's on par for me with Flynn and Raps is absolutely Tiana and Naveen, I ADORE their relationship, bro starts a respectful (albeit obnoxiously oblivious rich boy) king and she softens around him and our bro is willing to give up EVERYTHING to support her and her dreams because doing so doesn't just make her happy, it introduces a purpose to his life he never had before
I haven't watched the movie with Tiana and Naveen but to me it doesn't sound very healthy to give up on everything for someone. Bro, like get your own passion, find your own purpose that you have full purpose on and then make people happy around as an extra (if that makes you happy and adds on your existing purpose)
@@kristamariau he didn’t have any of that haha it was part of his character journey to go “huh! Maybe being a handsome lazy prince who goes around flirting with women and spending lots of money isn’t all that life is cracked up to be!” And he like meets people other than her in New Orleans and learns that you can *shock horror* work with your hands??? So yeah, totally valid critique but I promise that’s like literally the point
Really wish you guys would have covered Tiana and Naveen. I love their relationship because they're such good foils initially and they bring out the best in each other--Tiana helps Naveen buckle down and have discipline, Naveen helps Tiana let loose a bit. Plus at their core they just have a really good dynamic that feels really natural and they sacrifice so much for each other. Hoping for a part 2!!!
It's a terrible movie. It belongs in a swamp. That's why no one talks about them. Most people are traumatized by this movie and block it out of their memory.
Eugene came clean with her within the course of one day. They had just met that morning and already he’s telling her the truth. I love that about them.
@@PacificWanderer It's interesting because they do a bit of the thing where conflict could be solved by just talking, but it's never because they don't want to or are being too stubborn to talk. They've just agreed on momentarily shelfing certain topics and are trying to get on the same page about being ready to address them.
I felt like Eugene didn't so much "come clean" as found someone who he felt he could be comfortable around. I don't think he specifically tried to fool Rapunzel so much as just had a front he presented to the world, and she was just another part of the world at first. Once he got to know her a bit though, he was willing to let the mask slip since he felt he could trust her. I'd consider that notably different from what Aladdin did with Jasmine, even aside from the timing of the reveal.
I agree. Flynn even sarcastically remarked how trusting him was “A horrible decision really” he never lies to her, and probably felt she’d turn him in once they arrived at Corona. But eventually he learns to open up when it’s obvious she’s counting on him to keep her safe and obviously help her to Corona. I really love the part when she opens up about mother and her hair, he asks “And you’re still going to go back?” genuinely concerned about her as a human after hearing how mother treated her. But I just really love the part when he tries to get around revealing poor orphan Eugene Fitzherbert, she just scoots closer and he chuckled like “Fine, I give up. I get you told me your secret.” And the way his eyes lit up revisiting his childhood memories is adorable and he’s a bit embarrassed about his past, but she actually prefers Eugene Fitzherbert over Flynn Rider. Aww!
To be fair to the ORIGINAL story of Cinderella, she had absurdly small feet for being part fae/faerie, so her feet where considerably smaller than normal, and the golden (not glass) slipper was custom made to exactly fit her feet. Also I like to think he has face blindness so he can't really tell anyone's face, no matter how much he likes/knows them (same here)
@@Eloraurora Maybe, but that's not what this story is about. It is about that Cinderella ran away and only left that slipper as a clue to her identity.
@@Furienna Even if it's the king's idea to use the slipper, if his son weren't faceblind then he'd be able to at least give a rough description of her face. And the king would know about his son's inability to tell faces apart, wouldn't he?
@@pineapplefrostyfruits9225 Didn't a lot of other people see Cinderella at the ball too? Were they all face-blind? Now, what I think is the problem here is that the prince didn’t actively participate in the search for Cinderella even though he should have in the fairytale. Which was perfect for the animators behind the Disney movie because they still had difficulties with making prince characters back then for some reason. So he was excluded from some scenes, where he should have been present...
Princess and the Frog!!! I loved how she still achieved her dream and it wasn't just brushed off as "oh she fell in love her dream is gone now". Like she did sacrifice her dreams to save him because he meant a lot to her, but he also knew how important that dream was to her and helped her out
She didn't "sacrifice her dream to save him". She kissed him as a frog with the expectation that he would immediately return to being human. Her dream was temporarily put on hold bc that same kiss turned HER into a frog. Which, in searching for an actual solution, is what resulted in her spending time with the prince and BOTH of them actually getting to know AND value each other. Which lead to their wedding (still as frogs, mind you) and them becoming human again. Making both of their dreams come true. I am fairly certain that this prince (I do not know how to spell his name and I am 99.999% sure my autocorrect would butcher it too) is THE most in-depth personality we see from a Disney prince in a movie. Second, all time, imo, to Prince Charming in Once Upon A Time (series).
It's nice too the Naveen didn't shelf his dreams either. They found a way to tie them together. Though they'll both have to compromise again when his parents retire.
I am really interested in your take with Wall-E's and Eve's relationship. Everyone hears how relationships are supported by communication, however, Wall-E represents a relationship that has both parties having limited ways of communicating with each other (or at least in the customary sense of physically talking). This movie is one of my favorites because of the factor that these two robots are able to care for each other through "show, don't tell", and I'm excited on your takes on how a relationship works with different forms of communication and love languages.
I think another key reason Rapunzel and Eugene's relationship doesn't feel like the "bad boy with a heart of gold that changes for a woman" trope is because Rapunzel isn't trying to change him. She likes what she sees as he changes, but she didn't see broken boy and go "I fix him now" which is often the catalyst for the guy's change in things that follow that trope. And you guys touched on how banking on someone changing is not a good place to start a relationship when you were talking about Simba and Nala so I need not expound on that.
@@MonkeyJedi99 Same here. I was never invested in Simba and Nala as a couple. It's been too long since I watched it to be able to identify why. All I know is that as a kid I was in it for the prophetic monkey(mandrill) painting with fruit 🤷♀️
Yeah exactly. This is also my preferred method of Enemies to Lovers where villains leave villainy behind for a hero*; it isn't the hero intentionally trying to redeem them (regardless of what they may or may not desperately want of the villain), but the villain wanting to do better than they were because of how the hero is. Might be some bumps on the road, but that just makes a story more interesting imho. *and yes I do mean that bc I love me some fallen hero romances too. Can't be that selfish irl so gotta get the selfish brainworms out somehow lmao.
Ok, I need the Cinderella remake where the shoe fits a stable boy rather than Cinderella and the prince and the stable hand are just like "guess it's you I've been looking for"
@@bubblexbeez maybe it starts as a joke? He can't find a woman who fits the shoe, and thinks it would be funny to try a man. Ends up fitting, they fall in love.
The thing I like about Fix It Felix and Calhoun is that Felix also has a thing where he realised that the words "Dynamite Gal" was a trigger for Calhoun because of her programmed trauma from her crashed wedding and never says it again when he's in front of her but only when he describes her to Ralph when they're alone. I know it's like a very low bar to set with "Don't trigger your signifant other and make them relive traumatic experiences" but I just really love the detail and teh fact that Felix really respects boundaries even if Calhoun never explicitly told him about hers.
Mr Fix-It Felix fixed her broken heart... and didn't do it by using his magic hammer. That's how you know he's a great guy. He knew her kind of pain takes time to heal from, he never rushed it or tried to fix it quickly - he just supported her and let her know he was there if she needed him.
I like how in Cinderella, it's shown that they talk for a long while, and when Cinderella needs to get away she says she wants to see the prince. She spent time with him 'cause she liked him and not because he's the prince. It is infatuation, but the animated sequels really flesh out the Prince Charming and their relationship. Also shoes were custom made until like, 1920s, and they were glass so only one girl out of the entire kingdom fitting into them isn't that unrealistic.
Yes, this, absolutely! Also, they're getting down on my boy Charming for not "being able to recognize" Cinderella? There was no opportunity for Prince Charming to recognize/not recognize Cinderella. It wasn't Prince Charming who went looking for her with the shoe! The King sent the Duke out with it, trying to manipulate the prince into marriage so he could have grandchildren. That was the whole point of the ball in the first place.
They need to react to the third movie of the Cinderella Trilogy. It fleshes out the prince so well! Their relationship makes a little bit more sense if you watch it.
Just to clarify. Eugene never claims to not be a thief. He admits to Rapunzel that he was being chased when they first met, and she never asks him about the satchel. That is why she asks him if the man in the story was a thief, too; even though he never outright told her he was or wasn't. He only lied about his name.
And even then, once he tells her about his past, it becomes clear that "Flynn Rider" is more of a persona that he projects than anything else. He's technically lying, but it's not a lie that he's using to try and woo her into a relationship
The point about Eugene putting Rapunzel’s needs instead of his own hits closer with the context of the sequel series, where the writers try like 30 different things with him to try to figure out what his motivation in life is aside from making her happy. They eventually settle on him becoming a cop, which is wild for a *number* of reasons, and I’ve always felt like it was a missed opportunity not to have him explore other passions. I would’ve loved to see him become a writer, given his love for Flynnigan Rider!
@@meou_meou there's a short called Tangled Ever After about their wedding, but Tangled the Series was a 2D cartoon on Disney (I think it's still on Disney+ in the states, about the events of Tangled before they get married.
Rapunzel and Eugene are by far my favorite Disney couple. It might just be because I think they’re incredibly cute, or because I’ve seen the series as well as the movie and it expands on them beautifully. It’s also very nice how they don’t get married right away like so many other princesses, but instead take some time, and (especially if you consider the series), she gets to live her own life outside of a romantic relationship without disregarding it, before setting anything is stone. In case you hadn’t noticed, I highly recommend it, they’re far too cute the whole time and it’s pretty well written for a series aimed at children.
I just like how healthily the series portrays them in a mature domestic sense as well - most Disney movies have bonding over life-or-death situations then... that's it. I loved how it shows their dynamic in normal situations and how it's not always just them "saving each other" since it's such a tired romantic cheat code. Eugene also basically turns into a male wife himbo but I'm fine with that because it's funny and works.
I like to read Cinderella's reaction to the prince as her just being so happy to be treated with kindness by another human being for the first time ever since her father died. This girl has been put upon by her step family, has no outside world contact, and whose only friends are mice, birds and her dog. And granted, she was just visited by the fairy godmother, but that was a magical miracle lady whose stated goal is to make Cinderella happy. The prince is just a normal human being with no obligation to make her happy, he just does it because he wants to. 'So This is Love' is her remembering what kindness and respect felt like after years of abuse. This then gets cemented the next day when she learns that not only was that cool guy she danced with the prince, so he REALLY had no obligations to please her, but he's also doing everything in his power to find her again. I kinda wish Prince Charming actually did have a personality to match Cinderella's. At the time, Disney didn't put that much effort into their male leads, they just kinda existed to be the way out for our more interesting princesses. I like to imagine that the Prince is also emotionally neglected, so he and Cindy connect over that or something. Something could be done here.
I recommend watching the third Cinderella film. Yes, it's one of the films from Disney's infamous direct-to-video sequel era but unlike a lot of the sequels, a lot of care and effort was put into it. The movie fleshes put the prince a bit more and has him and puts his and Cinderella's relationship to the test. It's a fun film, honestly.
I was thinking exactly that--watch Cinderella III. The prince and Cinderella are FULL of character development (and secret identities, and jumping from windows, etc.). Also Anastasia gets developed and Drizella is HILARIOUS. LOVE IT.👍
@@literaturenerd8963 If I remember correctly that was in the 2nd movie, which was a collection of multiple shorter stories, including the one with the sister falling for the baker.
Tbh, they saved the Cinderella and Prince charming love story with the sequels. They show more of an actual relationship, getting to know each other, yearning for each other, having conflict and resolving it. It fills in the gap between when he finds her again and the wedding. And it's very beautiful
I truly believe rapunzel and Eugene will always be one of the best love stories out there... my favorite is princess and the frog just because i love the story and its my comfort... but i cried while watching tangled because of their love
Cinderella III: A Twist in Time really fleshes out the Cinderella/Charming relationship in a very fun and cute way. Original Cinderella kinda suffers from story-itis where it didn’t seem to have the time to go into their relationship, so it’s really nice to see them have the time to fall in love in a direct-to-video sequel of all things.
I would love to see Mulan and Shang. Like, how does a relationship built on respect operate when that initial respect is built on lies? They're both doing "fake it til you make it"!
Mulan earned his respect with her growth and determination during training. Before that he's got no respect for her, she's sloppy, uncoordinated, rejects authority, doesn't seem to take war seriously, and even disrupts other's training... to the point where she gets kicked out. She starts out that relationship by loosing all of his respect for her, mind you this is bare minimum respect for war cannon fodder, at that point she is literally got less respect than a horse would because at least a horse can be of use in the war. She re earns his respect through her determination to improve. Soo... it's not respect based on being a man. Her actions still stand as her own achievements worthy of respect even when she's discovered to be a woman.
I agree with Mel and I think this is akin to the whole Aladdin situation somewhat, but in Mulan's case, it's actually far more understandable as well (because if she told him she was a woman, she would have risked failing her mission on the spot, whereas Aladdin was more or less lying for personal gain, because he really wanted to be with Jasmine).
I'm no professional but i don't think that respect was built on lies. Mulan was being exactly who they we're inside, they lied about who they we're on the *outside* which is very different. She catfished him, but she didn't lie about who she was. Still not great, but she has very good reason behind it.
Adding to the comments above. I think that although Shang did feel betrayed by finding out Mulan lied to him, the main reason why he kicked Mulan out of the military was because in those times it was basically expected to treat women that way, and as the Commander?/General? (I can't really remember his rank) he had to set an example for his soldiers. In fact, sparing Mulan's life (in the animated movie) was very odd in itself based on the reaction of the... Secretary?/Advisor? Regardless, since Shang didn't really interact with any other women in the animated film, we can't really say for certain what he was thinking after Mulan told him the truth, but I am guessing Shang didn't really care about gender to begin with, just following the rules, training his soldiers, and winning the war with as few casualties as possible. And as such, Mulan earned his respect by training and becoming a strong and dedicated soldier.
Hi! I'm dealing with a lot of physical pain because of hernia in my spine and I happen to go through it alone. and only you guys can really distract me here, I love watching you roasting romances most of all. You feel like a family to me, thank you so much!
Ranking movie bromances is honestly such a good idea! Everybody loves talking about the romantic relationships, but platonic relationships are really REALLY underrated! I would love to see more talk about bromance on this channel!
Agreed! I loved this video, but I totally agree that we need more on platonic relationships in general, I was thinking of the girls in Booksmart, I'd be interested in their take on them
As someone who is also face-blind like Prince Charming, I totally understand why he was using the shoe to find her. Cinderella 3: A Twist In Time shows that he could tell girls apart, but he wouldn't necessarily know how to describe her. It took me nearly 2 weeks of living with my roommate before I would have been able to pick her out of a crowd and I constantly have people wave at me who I swear I have never seen before.
But if he’s face-blind then how does he recognise her when she’s not in her Princess getup in A Twist in Time? The mice only told him “you’re under a spell, Cinderelly was the girl at the ball!” and he bolted off to find her ... I know she was technically the only woman on the boat but my point still stands!
I have to say since finding this channel, this has been like actual therapy for me. Almost every single video has had something I NEEDED to hear. This channel makes me think critically and consider changing behaviors that have otherwise hurt myself or others, and it’s genuinely like medicine for me. There’s a lesson to hear in every video, not in a preachy, forced, or non relatable way; but it’s casual and relaxed. Having fun watching movies but considering their messages as well, and just talking/joking around without it FEELING like you’re “going to therapy”. Thank you both, you guys have helped me see more positively and clearly. I’m definitely a happier person after finding Cinema Therapy. ❤
Something it's easy to forget now is that Snow White was one of the first animated feature films EVER. Apparently the Prince was supposed to have a bigger role, but animating two realistically-proportioned humans in the same seen was too hard to do at the time, so he and Snow White couldn't interact much by design.
Yes! Also Walt Disney himself explained he wanted the focus to be about the relationship between Snow White and the dwarves, that's why it's called "Snow White and the seven dwarves" and not, like, "Snow White and the Prince". The Prince himself isn't to be considered a character, he's more of a plot point (so much so that Alan says his name is Florian but it's not quite it, the Studios had in mind a couple of names and yes, Florian was one of them and the most likely to be chosen, but since his role was small and no one in the movie was meant to address him by his name they didn't bother to actually pick one).
I was about to point this out. I wish people would cut Florian more slack. He had some planned scenes of being captured and having to fight to escape and save her. But they literally had to learn how to draw normal humans and it turns out men are harder to draw (which is why Florian has such a baby face) meaning almost all of Florian's scenes had to be cut
No seriously. People need to back off of Florian. They did genuinely want him to be more in the movie but they couldn’t figure out how to animate him more than they already had. Obviously if it wasn’t the first animated feature film and they had a better understanding of what they would later on, Florian would have played a more active role in the film.
Didn't they trace over live action recorded segments for some human movements that eventually were reused in later movies. I am not saying doing so was easy, but doing that they needed the right things to trace/follow. I am pretty sure I saw a video or videos somewhere that compared scenes from different Disney films and sometimes showed scenes from older live action shorts or movies that were probably the source of the motion.
I would kill for an entire episode dedicated to dissecting the therapy needs in The Hunchback of Notre Dame. There is SO much to address in that film and its one of my favorites. Also this format was great and I cant wait to see them look at more couples!
The second Alan said “Marvel bromances” my brain was just immediately “YES, YES, YES YES YES YES, YES!”, that is quite possibly one of the best ideas I have ever heard
@@Пинагод Yup: Steve and Tony, Steve and Bucky, Steve and Sam, Steve and Natasha, all such great relationships. Though some other of my personal favorite Marvel bromances not involving Steve would be Bucky and Sam, Nat and Clint, Tony and Bruce, Clint and Wanda, and of course Thor and Loki.
I would love to see your assessment of Howl's Moving Castle. There's so many great character dives in it, from Sophie and Howl's issues of self worth and self image, to the growth of forgiveness and found family.
YES I would love to see this, Howl and Sophie have such a beautiful and interesting relationship about growth and love vs possession and seeing past looks and insecurities. That movie is genuinely one of the most romantic movies of all time, its utterly beautiful.
The last relationship reminds me of myself with my current bf. We seem to compliment each other and try to bring out the best. His family notices he is much happier. I feel more stable. I do woodworking and other types of artwork, and he likes metalworking so our interests intertwine a lot and we have a lot of the same goals
About Jasmine: she was always stuck at the palace and wanted to see the outside world for a change. Aladdin is given her that. It's not about having a car ride. It's about giving her what she wanted. To see the outside world.
They also completely misrepresented the reason he reinvents himself as a royal (or I completely misremember that part). He doesn't do that to impress her particularly, he probably got that she was into him right away. He does that because she isn't allowed to marry anyone who isn't royal. That's also the reason he so desperately tries to keep that facade on, because even if she loves the real him, they both would get in big trouble
Then why couldn't he tell her on the rooftop after the magic carpet ride that he's the guy from the market and made himself a prince for her? He uses a real problem to hide his insecurity. Plus, they're kinda going through the relatable parts of the relationships that could be applied to real situations. I'm not sure when the last time you had to pretend to be royalty was, but I bet you can name the last time you gave in to an insecurity.
@@doomse150 Precisely. Aladdin and Jasmine were both lucky that Sultan gave a dame about how his daughter felt and loved Aladdin like a son, and in true Disney ending style changed the law to "the princess shall marry whomever she deams worthy" making it completely her choice and she chose Aladdin.
The part where he's describing Jasmine to the genie is so cute, he starts out with all the things he likes about her personality and then for her beauty he talks about her eyes 😭🥰
In The Emperor's New Groove, I love Pacha's marriage. They're fantastic together and with their kids, and I love watching their interactions. I can absolutely see their marriage working. Only lament is that Pacha withholds information from her to try to protect her, but really it's just creating a problem for later when the emperor's troops show up to remove everyone.
Hey, he's dealing with a talking llama, guy's probably stressed lmfao. There's also a factor of wanting to not disappoint his family seeing how happy they are, because he wants them to stay happy. It's shown when he has to travel back and tell them about Kuzco's initial decision of destroying their house, he had to take time before announcing his arrival since he can't just do it.
I feel Hercules and Meg would be a good one, as it shows Meg being afraid to start a new relationship after being hurt by her previous boyfriend. There’s a whole song about it.
But if we're considering real life standards like they're doing on these videos, Meg tricked Hercules almost all of the movie. She was trapped in Hades'contract true, but Hercules almost loses everything because of her. That's not healthy at all.
Omg I was roaring with laughter when you guys were talking about how most of the time the relationship is just hanging out, pushing eachother into bushes 😂 my boyfriend does this to me and I can’t believe that Alan and his wife have that dynamic too. Amazing 🤣
Would love to hear your take on Hercules and Megera's relationship. I love them but there are some real sticking points. I love the acceptance of Meg from Hercules' parents at the end even though she didn't walk the straight and narrow
My suggestions: - Hercules and Megara - Pocahontas and John Smith - Parents from Turning Red - The Incredibles - Ariel and Prince Eric - Jack Skellington and Sally Can't wait to see this turn into a series 👀👀👀
I have kind of a hard time with Ariel and Eric because they know each other for such a short time and obviously have trouble communicating much. Jack and Sally are kind of interesting because while they don't actually interact a _ton_ in the movie, their interactions do imply that they've been friends for a while already. And you can tell that they know each other and feel comfortable around each other.
Pocahontas and John Smith together is painfully toxic. Not in the context of the movie. They were real life people and Pocahontas was a kid when she met John, who was already an adult. But Disney felt like they have to change it to put a romance story in the movie which shows how disrespectful they are.
Look, I am all for having a healthy relationship, but when it comes to Cinderella I don't blame her for falling for the first guy that came along and showed her sweet emotions. She has been a servant in her own home for probably more than a decade. Anything feels better than that. And to her credit she didn't even know he was a prince.
I kinda wished the sequel deepened their relationship more, sure it fleshed out the individual characters; Cinderella, Prince Charming, and even Anastasia, but Cinderella and the Prince were barely together the entire movie that there wasn't any relationship development between them.
I just realized something about Aladdin. Every single main character is ‘trapped’ in their own way. Aladdin was trapped in poverty and couldn’t escape from it. Jasmine was trapped in rules and laws that shackled and dictated her life and fate. Genie was literally trapped inside a lamp for his entire life. The Sultan was trapped under Jafar’s spell, illusions, lies, and deceptions. Finally, Jafar gets trapped inside the lamp that he created out of his own evil actions, and because of that, everyone is set free from him.
Prince Florian was supposed to have more screen time by himself and with Snow White. However, this was when frames were hand-drawn so they decided to cut out most of the ideas for his scenes because it was just too much to draw and incorporate into the story. So, we got a very very simplistic story of boy meets girl, boy gets girl, and they lived happily ever after.
it was also the first full length animated feature film and was released during The Great Depression. Pretty sure Disney like...took a second mortgage on his house or some shit to finish it....so...that might have influenced that as well.
As for favourite animated couple, my number one is hands down Hiccup and Astrid from "How to train your dragon" trilogy. Nothing is pushed there, nothing forced down our throat - their relationship really makes sense, they have a strong bond, they feel comfortable around each other. I just love them.
i love them too! did you ever watch the netflix series "race to dragons edge" if not its a whole series that takes place between movies 1 and 2 and adds a whole lot of neat character development and has its entire plot line that kind of leads into movie 2! it has great long term development for hiccup and astrid :)
@@jennyparsons8076 up to you! the show wasnt created until after the first two movies came out so its okay if you want to watch the movies first and then have a nice callback in the show :) they won't spoil each others plot lines
I mean, best relationship in ALL of media is still Gomez and Morticia. The unbridled support and acceptance and love towards each other can never be beat. They are THE ideal couple
I remember being a really really little kid and thinking that snow and the prince already knew each other and that they had been secretly meeting for a long time. I had asked my mom if there was another movie where they were friends. I still love the move I know now they don’t meet much but it’s still a cute movie and ground breaking for animated moves 🥰 it’d be cool if there was a better romance movie for them!
I thought this too when I was a kid. I thought she ran away because she was wearing the “ugly clothes” and she didn’t want him to see her in them. But he started singing to her to show he doesn’t care what she dresses like lol. So I always thought they knew each other 😅.
I always loved how Roger and Jessica Rabbit were with each other. His sheer and utter obliviousness to her appearance and her looking past his A -list status to appreciate his sense of humor ( "he makes me laugh") gave the impression that they understood each other in an environment where everyone projected onto them.
That's what I've been trying to say. Staying kind and fortuitous in an environment like that takes a lot. She didn't even desire revenge she just continued looking towards the future leaving her stepmother and siblings to suffer from their own karma. That takes alot.
I’d love to see Milo and Kida from Atlantis, love that movie, and their relationship seems pretty solid. Another one I would love to see is the friendship relationship between Pacha and Emperor Kuzsco from Emperors New Groove. Or just a whole video about the characters from Emperors New Groove.
Same! A lot of people always forget Atlantis the Lost Empire, and they’re actually my second favorite Disney couple after Pocahontas and John Smith and Rapunzel and Flynn Rider
for anyone who’s curious Tangled has a series called Tangled Ever After that is like three seasons long. Rapunzel and Eugene actually have the sweetest relationship ever. btw there’s another mini movie that’s like 59 minutes long, it’s how Rapunzel got her hair back. totally worth watching
It's a fairly minor part of the movie but I really like the relationship between delbert and amelia in treasure planet. Its a little similar to wreck it Ralph in that amelia is tough and no nonsense while delbert is a bit of a goof. But over the course of the movie she comes to see and appreciate the doctors intelligence, integrity and surprising courage when shit really hits the fan. Likewise amelia starts to show more vulnerability as the story progresses, she shows genuine concern for her crew and even when injured tries to keep things organised and reassure the people around her. Them ultimately falling for each other feels like a natural progression
I want to see the relationships in Treasure Planet. Also Mulan, because a girl dressed as a guy making a (supposedly) very straight guy question his own sexuality will never not be amusing.
@@proudatheist2042I think their point was that Shang thought of Mulan as a man before she revealed herself as a woman and it’s hinted that he had feelings for her beforehand as well Just my assumption, don’t come at me for this 🤷
Eugene doesn't feel like the bad boy changing for a girl trope because he isn't really a bad boy. He's trying to be, and he's even doing some bad things but he is having to fight against his true character when doing those things which is why it doesn't feel like the trope. Because he isn't changing for her, he's allowing himself to just be himself around her and letting his walls and armor down.
I just wanna throw in Quasi Modo, Esmeralda and Phoebus for having like the most nontoxic resolution of a love triangle/unrequited love I’ve seen in a movie. Quasi wanted Esmeralda to be happy in spite of his love for her, and he no longer felt the need to idolize her and depend on her affection since he had come to gain the acceptance of those around him. He was happy to see that she was happy, and he was more than elated to still be friends with her, the one who had given him his first experience of genuine human compassion Thing is, that’s a super sweet ending. However, from a pretty superficial glance it’s hard for the audience (ESPECIALLY kids) not to feel like Quasi got “slighted” (not saying that’s in any way justified, but it IS a common reaction). So, the way Quasi handles it without any sort of pettiness or bitterness sets a great character example on a moral point Disney Media doesn’t often address, by combatting a somewhat unchallenged idea of “entitlement to sexual love” you see in a lot of media
You also see the contrast of the feelings the different men have for her. Frollo let his passion and feelings get out of control to the point of committing horrible crimes. Phoebus learned from her and changed his ways, but he still respected her and would have let her go. Quasi loved her, but as you said, he recognized that she was free to be with whomever she loved and he accepted it. He never threatened or pressured her. It shows that we have total control over how we act.
What I also love about the resolution of that love triangle is that not only does Quasimodo accept that Esmeralda loves someone else, but he ends up genuinely caring about that person as well - Phoebus and and Quasi's friendship was very sweet!
Right I think how they handled this situation is one reason why this is my favorite Disney movie. Also with the audience feeling that Quasi deserved Esmeralda for saving her life is a toxic mindset. Just because you saved someone it doesn’t mean that you are entitled to them as a romantic partner. I love that Quasi was like I accept that you don’t like me on that way and I’m just happy that you’re happy. That was a big part of his arc
When they were talking about Simba and Nala it reminded my of one thing Lorelai said to Rory (from Gilmore Girls). “You don’t want to be in the business of changing somebody”
Belle and Beast from the original animation would be interesting. Beast has massive anger issues, almost abusive tendencies, but he recognises that he's got a problem he just doesn't know how to fix it because he's so depressed. People dont talk about how depression cna make you so angry. You feel angry because you're stuck and can't change. Then Belle comes along, rightfully runs away when she's scared and after Beast saves her, she saves him back, and they have a feisty heart to heart about boundaries. She brings out some of the best in him, and he realises his issues with his selfishness and anger will only drive people away and that he learns from Belle that being kind and gentle without asking anything in return is the key to being a good person. Hense the fact he lets her go, when he knows she may never, ever come back and he will be stuck forever as a monster. He gives up his chance of freedom by putting her needs first. He comes a heck of a long way in the film to when he first started and the audience believe that their relationship can work over 90 minutes of runtime. That's incredible!
@@Ned-nw6ge Well... it is, but only in that they are locked up together long enough to get to know each other better. Liking what they see, fall in love. Usually it's not a healthy dynamic when two (or more) people are locked up together. One has all the power, and the other 'falls in love' with the powerful one to make the choices they have to accept more palatable.
@@cchastant8251 I don't think that that's the case with Beauty and the Beast though. Belle fell in love with Beast because of his change in behavior, and it made her see past his appearance. Beast fell for Belle once he saw that she was beginning to look past his appearance. It was far from love at first sight; Beast thought Belle was beautiful but unreachable because he thought she'd never see him as anything but a monster. And in the beginning, that was all that Belle saw in him until he saved her life. Plus, if Belle pretended to love Beast just because he had control over her, she would've left him as soon as he made the choice to set her free.
Yes this, sadly we aren't getting Disney couples like them anymore or ... any at all. I loved how he realise this mistakes and flaws, worked on them then decided to let her go.
Absolutely Dutchess and O'Malley. Aristocats is one of my favorite Disney movies and it's highly underrated and forgotten about. Along with Milo and Kida and Meg and Hercules. I'd also love an episode on Enchanted. I think there's a lot to unpack there.
Milo and Kida yes! Atlantis is one of the forgotten Disney gems! I actually really liked they didn’t race into a relationship like most couples considering their objective was to restore Atlantis
The Encanto marriages (Pepa&Felix, Julieta&Agustin, Alma&Pedro) would be a very interesting one to psychoanalyze and consider, they are all so healthy in their unique ways
I wouldn't call Pepa and Felix healthy, she's very dismissive of him and self focused, and her gift kind of just lets her get away from it. The other two couples are good though.
@@aslprincess3944 literally where?? Pepa has her clear flaws but regardless Felix supports her in any way he can and she's grateful for him. Just because she doesn't outright state it every time doesn't mean she's dismissive of him. It also doesn't help that the movie focused mostly on Mirabel's immediate family, and not her extended one (sans Abuela)
@@Cup0fCocoa I mean it's not a big enough part of the movie to really be worth arguing about But my rule with side relationships is that if we don't see it, as far as we know it's not there. I didn't see her ever be nice to him. So I have nothing to go on. Sure he's nice to her, but that's one sided. If you prefer to like it then fine, the movie isn't really about them.
@@aetheremployeesabrina True, but let's be honest--Dolores on her own could be weeks of cinema therapy, with that "gift". I'd be a nutcase if I had it for a month.
People today like to mock the early Disney princess couples for falling in love at first sight and accuse them of getting married too quickly. (But we don't see Snow White's and Florian's wedding or Aurora's and Philip's wedding, so we don’t know when they happened.) However, that is actually ignoring the historical nuances behind these stories. Up until the first half of the 20th century, royal couples didn't usually know each other that well before they got married. Quick engagements were indeed common in real life in these circles and were just seen as a prince and a princess making a good match. And I guess that within these movies, the love at first sight trope is just a fairytale flavoring to let us know that these two are the one for each other. Besides, my theory is that Snow White and Florian had met each other before the "I'm Wishing/One Song" scene. Cinderella had to get away from her abusive stepmother, while the prince had to get his father to stop pestering him about grandkids. So it hardly seemed like a bad idea to them to get married anyway. Aurora and Philip were already betrothed since they were just small children, and Aurora was only planning a date and not a wedding when they had just met. Ariel and Eric defeated Ursula together and proved to be a good match for each other. But you will find that most later Disney couples will take it slower because of changing values among the writers and the audience, which is totally fine. What I really hate though is how movies like "Enchanted" and "Frozen" mocked the old Disney romances without even making an attempt to understand them. That is really unnecessary, especially as Disney had been modernized already during the Renaissance before those movies were made...
We’re not ranking the relationships based on HISTORICAL ACCURACY. We’re ranking them based on HEALTHY modern day values, bc these silly fairytale romances are dangerous for people today, who are at a higher risk of being hurt by the red flags of bad relationships (Florien, a fucking 30 YEAR OLD MAN, and Snow White, who was 14). You really need to chill out with all these comments, defending your pedophilia and disgusting views on child marriage. Stop making it sound normal, it’s not.
I'd like to see Ariel's relationship in The Little Mermaid ranked. Especially because of the weird circumstances. RE Cinderella's shoes, since it's pre industrial revolution(ish) I assumed that the shoe wasn't just size, but specifically molded to the shape of her feet. So it would taper perfectly, and go around the contours of Cinderella's feet in a way it wouldn't for other people of the same size, especially if she had a wonky toe or something.
@@debymello4756 Prince Eric fell for a girl who was interesting and clearly interesting. *Mutters about how being mute shouldn't mean a person can't find love*
Your point about Cinderella's slippers makes total sense. They were made for her feet--out of an inflexible material! with magic!! But the idea that the fairytale happily-ever-after is thanks to Cinderella's wonky pinky toe makes me crack up. Thank you for the laugh!
I think in some versions Cinderella's feet are unusually tiny too, like in ella enchanted she's part fairy so she has tiny feet. also Ariel didn't want to be human for a man, Ursula tied her humanity to prince Eric but Ariel wanted to be human long before she met him, she wanted freedom.
I loved wall-e as a kid but when I watched it as an adult, the parts where wall-e takes “unconscious” eve to dates and tries to hold her hand, etc., felt a bit creepy. So I’m curious about their take on this too.
@@saewonpark1505 exactly, looking back… kind of feel like their relationship only worked because they were the only beings on earth (or so they thought).
@@saewonpark1505 I’d give him a pass. He only really tried to hold her hand, and he spent like the most of her sleep mode trying to wake her up. The whole thing was pretty innocent, especially considering WALL·E has a very childlike view on friendships and relationships due to his isolation.
I ADORE Rapunzel and Eugene’s relationship in the movie. It’s really realistic to each of their goals and nothing feels out of place in terms of characterization. Eugene reluctantly agrees to take her to see the lights, but once he realizes how naive she is he tries to scare her away from the real world like Mother Gothel does. Her real personality shines when she turns all these criminals and thugs into singing about what they really want and when they’re ultimately faced with peril, Eugene just doesn’t ditch her to run by himself. I’d argue that while the crown was still his goal, his true nature isn’t one of crime. He just wants to feel as cool as Flynn Ryder. So after working together and ultimately saving each other, he decides to be vulnerable with who he is because as I said, it’s not in his true nature to want to do all the bad stuff he’s doing. He’s secretly longing for something and maybe thinks that thievery will fulfill that longing, but what he truly wants is someone to see him for who he truly is. Someone who appreciates him for being Eugene. Who embraces the fact that he can never be as charming as a book character, yet still likes him. It’s only then does he realize that there is mutual respect and he no longer wants to use her for personal gain. He wants to give up his selfish desire and just make him happy, because seeing the person who truly understands him happy is worth more than any crown. Things turn sideways and she sacrifices herself for him, but he proves that he sees the real HER by cutting her hair off. She’s more than a magical girl and he’s more than an orphan boy. They aren’t defined by their pasts but they can love each other no matter how they appear or act. Also the line: “You were my new dream” “You were mine too” will NEVER not make me cry. Anyways, thanks for coming to my TEDtalk.
I would kind of be interested to see them talk about the more platonic relationships. Like Tina and Charlotte. I think it'd be quite interesting because sometimes friends can help you through tough family issues, romantic issues, and life issues in general. Bad/toxic friends can definitely cause more harm and keep you in terrible situations in various ways. So I think that would be interesting.
I would be interested in seeing a video on sibling relationships. As a parent, I’m interested in exploring how healthy sibling relationships can be cultivated, and what are some common sibling challenges and how to navigate them.
Seconded! My husband and I are both only children, and it can get complicated for us to navigate our kids relationship with each other. We have little context, I’d love a video on that!
Right out of the gate: I have a great relationship with my younger brother. We always had, but especially now in adulthood. Our parents are both only children and sometimes they don't truly understand how a sibling relationship works, however they did their fair share in building it by reinforcing the idea that we should always be able to count on one another and letting us fight our stupid little fights when we were kids without interfering too much. I honestly think a healthy sibling relationship builds itself naturally. Btw well portrayed sibling relationships are fairly hard to find in movies and TV shows.
It should have been mentioned that Snow White was the very FIRST full length animated picture, they were still figuring out how to animate male figures. The Prince originally had way more scenes story boarded but it was too difficult to accomplish. There are no other Disney movies which had these challenges to face when developing their main character's relationships and although I agree with the ranking, I believe this movie should have been credited more. The same with Cinderella, 1950 was a much different time for movies and animation.
One thing that’s great about Rapunzel and Eugene is that their relationship is depicted as very healthy in the series. It takes 3 years (and multiple failed proposals) for them to decide to get married, throughout the series they communicate, and though they have a few trials as a couple, they always own up to and apologize for their mistakes, and they grow in their love and trust of each other.
I overall enjoyed TTS, but sometimes it felt like Eugene was just straight up sidelined for Cass. A real shame. Really felt like it was both fighting for Rapunzel’s attention rather than it being a trio of close friends. Like Luke, Leia and Han
@@howdoichangemyusername9802 I get what you're saying, but I also felt like that was what their character dynamic was intended to be too (as in fighting for the attention of their best friend and partner respectively). I still wish we saw more of him though.
@@Molly-tv5sv maybe. But I still wish it could’ve just been a trio of best friends going around the world. Makes me wish we got more Eugene and Cass too since their dynamic is really special too considering Eugene was practically an enemy to Corona while Cass’s dad was the captain and now they have something in common with being Rapunzel’s closest friends. I think an episode they could’ve changed up was the one that showed Rapunzel and Cass’s origins and make it about all 3. Eugene and Rapunzel are celebrating there 1 month anniversary and because it’s only been a month Corona is still wary of Eugene. Meanwhile Cass already friends with Rapunzel warns her that Eugene is using her. Eugene is later arrested for a crime and it’s up to Rapunzel to free him with Cass coming along. Eventually Rapunzel isn’t able to come up with the evidence he’s innocent but still believes he is and Cass is actually the one who manages to find it solidifying the three’s relationship and it ends with Rapunzel deciding to make a picture that shows all 3.
They turned Rapunzel into the worst and most toxic girlfriend ever to Flynn! She always lets Cassandra or anyone else always insult him while just standing there without saying a word, keeps secrets from him, draws his face on a punching bag just for Cassandra and never even apologizes for it, travels back in time to fix his personality, ignores him on the day of hearts and rejects his proposals several times even though in the movie she wanted to give up everything just to save him at the end, are you kidding me? This seems so out of character for her! And this whole rejecting marriage plotline is just a sign that they don't fit together and such a relationship could never work in real life and we shouldn't teach kids that it could, then little girls will just expect to much and end up in a divorce later in life! This just couldn't work! No self respecting man would put up with being rejected twice or would wait years to be able to truly be together with a girl if he really wants to marry her. And it just couldn't work if one person wants to get married and the other doesn't because then one person would always have to give in and in the series Flynn always has to give in, Rapunzel never does. And this just isn't fair or healthy! What about his feelings and his wishes? Why do only her feelings and wishes matter? In a healthy love relationship, both opinions should matter! And if they have such different opinions and life goals, then it just couldn't work! And then it would be time to break up! And no man would put up with this in real life unless he is a simp but Flynn wasn't one in the movie and according to his backstory he was an egoistical jerk before he met her, so it would make no sense that he could change from an egoistical player into a simp in such a short time and it's not good that Disney is sending little girls such a message. It's no wonder that so many relationships nowadays don't work out and end in a divorce or a break up if we are teaching women that they should expect that men would always give in and ignore their own wishes and opinions while the women never give them anything in return and instead act like they don't really care about them, put their female best friends always above them, just stand there while they are bullied constantly and reject their proposals several times! And it's so unfair because if the roles were reversed everyone would agree that this is toxic but if a guy is treated like that it's ok. That's such a double standard. And Rapunzel having trauma is no excuse, because he also has trauma. He grew up alone and unloved in an orphanage and on the streets and he always treats her right. This is just unfair and toxic and it angers me that people call this the healthiest relationship in Disney when it's actually toxic and when there are other Disney couples who are very healthy but are always forgotten like Tarzan and Jane or Robin Hood and maid Marian. And people shouldn't criticize the other princess couples for marrying so early when that is just how things worked back then when the stories are set. If anything they should criticize them for getting together so fast because back then people got engaged quickly after falling in love and there is nothing wrong with being engaged, you could be engaged for months or a year before marrying and they should have just done that with Rapunzel and Flynn. And he didn't even propose after a few days but after a few months, and for this time period that's an equivalent for a few years in our time, so it was the right time and she should have said yes. And the way this scene is framed, it looks like she wanted to say yes but then thought about how her life would be then and if that seems so horrible to her then she shouldn't be with him anymore! Flynn deserves better, he deserves someone who accepts his proposal the first time and who doesn't subconsciously consider marriage to be a trap. Whoever considers marriage to be a prison shouldn't even have a relationship! And two people who have such different wishes and goals just don't fit together and this could never work! And why is marrying framed to be bad even when it's after they know each other for months but sacrificing yourself for the other even when you have only known each other for a few days framed to be alright? If you want such a modern relationship with such problems, then don't bring in a scene in the movie when both are literally willing to give up their lives for each other after having known each other just for such a short time! And if you want to show such a romantic and touching scene where two characters want to give up anything for each other because they love each other so much, then don't ruin it later with such nonsense where she literally rejects promising to stay together with him and only to love him! It seems so ridiculous that they say she wouldn't give up her freedom for him, when she was literally willing to do that for all eternity for him in the movie! It just makes no sense! It makes that whole scene of the movie unbelievable! And why does marrying him even mean she has to give up her freedom??? It only means that if you secretly want to break up or cheat! It's just a promise to only love each other and to not break up anymore! And if she truly loved him, she would want that and not see it as having to give up her freedom! And it's just not healthy that only he wants that and this just wouldn't work and he's always treated so badly and not allowed to have a different opinion! When he has another opinion than her just once, then she travels back in time to fix his personality and people are seriously calling this healthy??? I know that wasn't her intention but she seemed to be perfectly ok with it at the end and acted like it's right that his opinion was altered against his will even though he was right at first! Flynn deserves so much better! It's also cruel that they changed his personality so much and made him so stupid! I refuse to believe the Flynn in the movie and the one in the series are the same character! It's just so cruel what they did to him just because of modern feminism and because Frozen made more money! But in my opinion they completely destroyed Flynn and their relationship and i wish they never made this stupid series in the first place! The story was over, there was nothing more to tell and they just ruined the beautiful love story of the movie for me and above all sent horrible messages like marrying means giving up your freedom or that a man's opinion shouldn't matter and that he should always have to change his opinions and wishes for his girl while the girl never has to make any compromises and always gets anything she wants and is worshiped all the time by her man while she never gives him anything in return and ignores his feelings and needs because they apparently don't matter! It's just not fair! And I will never forgive them all of that and never stop hating this series and I can only still enjoy the movie if I count this as not canon!
And what infuriates me the most is how the series portrayed the idea of rejecting a marriage proposal and then staying together as if that was somehow a healthy or sensible thing to do. In the time period this story is set, marriage wasn’t just about a wedding ceremony-it was about being together, about having a future, about building a life with someone. Back then, people married young because it was often the only way they could truly be together. Flynn’s proposal in the movie wasn’t rushed-it was a natural progression of their deep love for each other, especially given the era they lived in. But in the series, the message is clear: marriage is a prison-even if you love someone deeply, even if you’ve been together for months or years. This is a terrible message, and it’s absurd. If you love someone, you want to marry them. You don’t reject them because you feel like it will strip you of your freedom. That’s a red flag that implies you don’t actually see a future with them. Marriage isn’t a trap-it’s a symbol of commitment and love. If someone considers marriage to be a prison, they’re subconsciously thinking about cheating or breaking up. And that’s not love! The historical inaccuracy is also glaring. Back in the time period this story is set in, marriage was the way for two people to be together. There was no “waiting for a few years to decide” because society didn’t allow that. No one could just live together as a couple back then, especially if you were a princess. The idea that Rapunzel and Flynn should have waited years to get married is ridiculous. If anything, they should have been portrayed as a couple eager to get married as soon as possible because that’s what would have made sense for their time. And don't get me started on how the series turned Rapunzel into a fighting, modern-day “Mary Sue” girlboss character. In the original fairy tale, Rapunzel was already empowered-she made decisions for herself, let the prince into her tower, and plotted her own escape. The only thing that’s different in the series is that they’ve amped up her physical strength to make her more “modern” and “feminist,” as if it wasn’t already clear from the original that she was no damsel in distress. This change in her character feels unnecessary and forced, and it completely undermines the beauty of the original tale, Petrosinella, where her love for the prince was a true source of freedom, not a burden. To add to my frustration, I despise how they twisted the whole narrative to fit a “modern feminist” agenda. The original Rapunzel (or Petrosinella, as it’s known in Basile’s version) is a beautiful love story, and Disney’s series ruined that. Rapunzel was a girl in an oppressive situation who found freedom and love in the prince, which was an empowering message. She wasn't just waiting for a man, she was waiting for a future and a life outside the tower-and a marriage to a prince was the way to escape. That was reality for women at the time. So why is that seen as a problem now? And don’t even get me started on how they made Flynn look. In the series, he’s turned into a completely different character-dumbed down, less charming, and just... wrong. He’s not the clever rogue who stole Rapunzel’s heart in the movie. He’s a different person altogether, and I refuse to believe he’s the same guy. It's honestly insulting to the character development we saw in Tangled. At the end of the day, I refuse to count the series as canon. It’s not. The original movie is still my canon, and I firmly believe the writers of the original film intended for Rapunzel and Flynn’s story to end right after the movie, with their love continuing in the short film Tangled Ever After. If the series had never happened, their love story would have been perfect, and I could have continued to enjoy the magic of the movie without this unnecessary and frustrating complication. The series just isn’t believable. It doesn't fit with the tone of the original movie. And it absolutely doesn't fit with the world that the Brothers Grimm or Basile created. If the writers of the fairy Tales saw how the original story was meant to be interpreted, they would be spinning in their graves. So, for my sanity’s sake, I’ll continue to treat the TV series as non-canon. I’ll take my happily-ever-after with Flynn and Rapunzel from the movie and ignore the disaster that came afterward. Disney really missed the mark here, and I just can’t forgive them for ruining such a beautiful love story. And I hate that they kept the 18th-century setting and ignored the fact that, in their time, marriage was the only way people could be together without being scandalized or ostracized. Rejecting a proposal back then meant breaking up-period. But the series didn’t care about historical accuracy, and now we’re left with a plot that feels forced and unrealistic. In the original movie, marriage for Rapunzel wasn’t a trap-it was a symbol of her freedom, a way to be with Flynn on her own terms. But the series turns this concept on its head and portrays marriage as something Rapunzel fears, as if it means she’ll lose her freedom. This portrayal not only feels out of character but also perpetuates a false narrative about what marriage is. Marriage isn’t a prison-it’s a commitment to someone you love. And if Rapunzel truly loved Flynn, why would she see her future with him as a "trap"? In the movie, she was willing to risk everything for him, including her life. The idea that she would now reject him because marriage seems like a loss of freedom is absurd. The series not only messes with the romantic narrative but also sends the wrong message about commitment and love. Back in their time, marriage was a celebration of their love, and rejecting that commitment would have meant the relationship was over. If the writers wanted a more modern relationship dynamic, they should have done what Tangled did-celebrate their commitment, not undermine it. Also, in what world is rejecting a marriage proposal considered healthy or a good thing??????????????? I feel bad for you! You are either in a toxic relationship or will end up in one!!!!!
When I think about FLynn I don't see a person who changes for a woman, I see a person who stopped being himself because he thought he couldn't be himself without getting hurt and then learned he could be himself an sometimes getting hurt is worth it. So she didn't change him. She inspired him and he changed back to himself. Not because of her doing, but because he wanted it. And it wasn't her coming together with him in the hopes he would change, but she comes together with him because he changed before that.
Exactly. For me its like Nick from Zoopolis (except that its not a romantic relation). He is a really good guy, he does not change for his friend, he just stops pretending to be bad.
Eugene and Rapunzel will always be my favorite Disney couple, but that's definitely in large part due to the show. Eugene is such a supportive partner and they communicate so well.
Agreed. Their relationship in the movie is absolutely fresh air. It depicts two flawed characters with hurt history who are inspired to be better, but not out of a need to be loved. The series goes leagues beyond making Eugene the absolute most genuine human being in any Disney property.
In Simba's defense, he never really had much of a chance to work through his trauma. That's why he withdraws so much. Yeah, he's got Timon and Pumbaa, but they can't help him with the guilt he feels.
He had PLENTY of time to work through his trauma. He was never TAUGHT how to because Timon and Pumba don't properly go there. Their thinking is if they put broken Simba back together he will go back to Pride Rock. They knowingly manipulate him into staying because they will never have to fear of protection again with Simba by their side. And then they continue brainwashing him into thinking bugs are a healthy diet for young cats.
@@ragingfilthycasual It's a Disney movie bro, why you so pressed 💀 If you're trying to base this on reality, Simba would've died long before he met Timon and Pumbaa. And if he survived, Pumbaa probably would've killed him so that he wouldn't grow up to become a predator. You're looking for issues where there are none lmao
I loved the part at the end of Tangled when Rapunzel’s long, beautiful golden hair is cut off and Eugene makes that playful comment that he has always had a thing for brunettes. Her hair was the only thing that was ever considered worthwhile or special about her and Eugene tells her straight away that he loves her new hair with the underlying meaning that he loves her with or without her special gift without her having to ask him for reassurance. He already anticipated something that could bother her and immediately reassured her in a playful, lighthearted way.
THIS!
he better have loved her like that, considering the choppy cut he gave her. 20 yards of hair and he still opts for that mess
@@bassbabs6500 He was literally about to die while he cut her hair. How well can you cut hair than? 😂
@@bassbabs6500 Hair will grow back. What's important is that Rapunzel was freed from Gothel. Not her hair length. CONTEXT PEOPLE!
It’s also something I notice throughout the whole movie Mother Gothel only gives affection to Rapunzel’s hair. She’s always touching it and calling her “my flower” where as Eugene is usually pulling the hair behind her ears and looking at her face.
O'Malley and Duchess from Aristocats are the most underrated Disney couple I think. Yet no one ever talks about their relationship. O'Malley was willing to take on three kids that weren't even his for Duchess! That says a lot!
Not only that, he loved those kids. He fell for a mother, but he also fell for her children. That’s crucial.
@@lindseysquire8417 Very true! O'Malley was a stand up guy all around.
I bestow upon O'Malley, the gold plated Chad award
O'Malley is the original gentleman
VOUCH!! I LOVE THEM SM
Eugene’s “I finally said yes” is probably my favorite line in any Disney movie. That voice actor read it absolutely perfectly
Zachary Levi 😀
@@bekind3823 I love that dude!!
lmao
Its even funnier, because in Tangled the Series he asks her to marry him 3 times and she says no the first few times because she wants them to take it slow. So haha its the other way around that's why Rapunzel goes eUgEnE!!
I love Zachary Levi!!! If you liked his character, check out some other stuff he's in(Chuck is AMAZING, if you like comedy/action/drama. That came out before tangled and he is just such a fun actor)
In case of Eugene and Rapunzel I love that the series explains why she did not accept his proposal many many times. She was not ready, and he knew and understood and waited for her. I love that the movie explored that idea and worked with it in the series the complete their journey.
If I’m not wrong he is the one accepting her proposal.
@@pippaschroeder9660 uhhh you could be right i don't remember right now if he accepts her proposal in the boat or the other way around. Need to watch it again
@@TANATOR02 they don’t propose on the boat. There is a voiceover at the very end where Eugene says that after years and years of asking he finally said yes
@@pippaschroeder9660 oh no i am talking about the series which comes after the movie. The voice over was a hint because Eugene and Rapunzel had so much trouble proposing to each other. Eugene did it three times and Rapunzel did it two times. Rapunzel rejected him two times because she was not ready to be "tied down" because she was restricted so much by gothel and then a little bit by her father and so Eugene waited for her to be ready (she proposed in that time but he said he knows she is not ready and just proposed because she was almost loosing him to another woman) and so on and so forth. I just watched it again and Eugene proposes on a boat with a cupcake hehe.
@@pippaschroeder9660 other way around
Eugene narrating says after time and time and time he finally said yes
Rapunzel then says: Eugene....?
Eugene: Fiiine I was the one asking
Rapunzel: and we are...?
Eugene: Living happily ever after
(Lines may not be written 1:1 cuz I live in Latin America so, spanish dub is the one Ik but thats the gist of the ending narration)
One thing I love about Eugene and Rapunzel is that throughout the movie, Rapunzel grows in confidence and shows just how competent she is in these crazy situations, and instead of Eugene being threatened by that and like "noooo you're supposed to let me save you!! I feel emasculated by your skills and talents!" instead he's impressed and grows in respect for her. AND it brings him joy to see her being her big, true, free self when she is getting free of abuse. That to me is a huge marker of a healthy relationship.
I love how Eugene sacrificed himself just so Rapunzel won't be slaved by Mother Gothel anymore. It was so dramatically romantic.
Because Eugene has a career as a thief, so he is accomplished, he doesn’t have to prove himself.
Tangled was one of my favorite Disney movies growing up, so much so that I can still quote most of the scenes while watching it
Plus he is the only Disney prince who really dies for her
The series completely butchered Eugine! They made him dumb, like what?
something I always love about tangled is how Flynn moving her hair out of her face symbolizes how he sees her for herself and not for her hair unlike Mother Gothel.
Wow i didnt catch that!
DAMN BRO 😍
Tangled is full of stuff like that, like when Mother Gothel says 'I love you most' and kisses Rapunzel on the head. She's talking to the hair.
@@pandagirl42087 Oh wow that's a good inference
Also how “i see the light” is the turning point in the movie where shes able to see past Gothel’s manipulation
Also I’d like to add with the Felix and calhoun one that when he calls her a dynamite gal- her trigger- and she has a ptsd flashback, he never says it again or alludes to it in any way. And when they get married, they address her concerns and add extra protection to make her feel safe. That is how you handle things like that.
Yes! I've never noticed this before but you're totally right (and this makes me love them so much more).
That’s how it was with my boyfriend and I! I have some trauma from past relationships, and whenever something like that is triggered, he doesn’t blame himself or me. Instead focuses on making me feel comfortable and safe, then not triggering it again. I love Felix and Calhoun so much.
@@meow-yf8ep that's so awesome! congrats on getting a good boyfriend after your past trauma! Hope you have a great relationship!
Aw, it makes me love them even more. Such a sweet couple, and very unique for cartoons too
And he never even knew why it triggered her. He didn't ask and just accepted that he shouldn't say that
The thing that most people don’t know is that the prince never asked or ordered the search for Cinderella using the shoe, it was all his father. He was so desperate for his son to get married and wanted grandchildren so bad that when Cinderella ran away he got so mad and said that whoever fits the glass slipper the prince is to marry. The duke actually tells him that there’s no way she’s the only one with this shoe size and the king just says that it’s the prince’s problem. So yeah, the prince did remember Cinderella’s face and we actually see that in Cinderella 3 a twist in time :)
Yes, thank you.
I couldn’t agree more. It’s very possible that he was looking everywhere for her, similar to the Prince in Snow White.
seriously!! it's so aggravating that so many ppl who talk about the movie miss this detail---they think they're being so clever in poking holes in the logic of a fairy tale, but the movie already addressed it, so this kind of take just becomes an incredibly obvious telling on themselves that they didn't actually watch the movie 🙄
cinderella 3 goes even deeper into their relationship and i love how it fleshes both cinderella and henry even more! the entire thing is cinderella trying to fix what lady tremaine has done and get the wand back, WITHOUT remembering the year she's spent with henry, and the two of them just fall into love with each other so well throughout the movie! i'd rank their relationship higher tbh XD
It doesn't strengthen the argument FOR the prince that he puts little to NO effort into having this relationship and just does what his father wants.
I feel like Tangled is less “bad guy with a heart of gold/bad guy with soft spot for girl” and more of a “nice guy with a heart of gold who tries to be a bad guy as a coping mechanism” he put up walls his entire life because he’s only known loss and loneliness. That’s what makes it different and I think that’s why it feels better than most “bad guy turns good” movies and storylines
Edit: I’m sick and tired of all the comments about age. She turned 18 on the day the movie takes place. He is 26. While that is a troubling age gap, and it is a little bit risky seeing as she’s only been 18 for a day, he was not taking advantage of her at all. It’s evident throughout the movie that he GENUINELY falls in love. And it’s mutual before he even tries to do anything. It’s a VERY healthy relationship, and while the age gap is upsetting for a lot of people, I hope you can see how I feel about the fact that they genuinely care about each other.
Edit: He was not 26 when they met, he was 23, he was 26 when she turned 21. So my point stands anyway, but those of you who are uncomfortable with the age, I hope this changes your mind
Yes
Yess!!!
That perfectly describes Megamind as well.
@@revanesque4904 YESSSSSSSSSS....this might be my obsession
I agree with this assessment 😄
One of the best relationships to me is David and Nani from Lilo and Stitch. David doesn’t even have to improve throughout the entire movie. He’s just as he needs to be from start to finish. He understands that Nani is under too much pressure to be in a relationship, even though he has obvious feelings for her. Instead, he is just there for her and Lilo, not just because he likes Nani, but out of the kindness of his heart.
Exactly! A lot of guys in that situation would “be there for them” except they’d be expecting something in return. David only wanted to help because he saw them in pain, he never expected to get anywhere with Nani, and I love that sm
*Idk man I feel like Pacha and his boo who's name in drawing a blank on from Emperor New Grove would be so good competition* 🤔
Lilo and Stitch is a great movie in general. The characters are amazing, and the two main messages are great: a family doesn't have to be a mom, a dad and the children, it can be anything. And the message of "no matter what's your past or conditions, you can find your place somewhere".
Also I love how the characters have realistic body proportions?? Nani doesn't have the classic Disney Princess look, and yet her character design is so amazing.
😍😍😍
I was just about to make this comment! Yes, David is the best.
Seeing both Rapunzel and Eugene influence one another over a period of days versus an instantaneous moment of falling in love is so beautiful to me. Same thing with Tiana and Naveen, I just adore the couples that both have their faults but use their personal strengths to help their partner grow.
And we get to see more of that in the Tangled series
@@unvoicedapollo3318 Ikr? The series is sooo good!🥰
@@unvoicedapollo3318 yes! I love how he totally respects her when she isn’t ready for marriage. It’s a very good and healthy thing to show kids🥰
@@unvoicedapollo3318 don't get me wrong, I enjoyed Frozen II. But I definitely believe that Tangled is also worthy of a movie sequel, so long as it does the original story justice. The series is great and proves the possibility is definitely there.
Same I love their relationship, though thoughts on the age gap/Him having experience versus her having none
My girlfriend is very quiet and for the first two years of our relationship I thought that I was responsible for her being more open and louder, but I was completely wrong and selfish to think that. She was actually just becoming more and more open and inviting as time went on by my side. She just needed someone who encouraged her to be open. I wasn’t the reason for her change I was just a pillow that was comforting her experience I was just playing a support character and she was carrying the team.
Cute.
aww ❤☺
But you realized it. That's growth. Don't think you're a bad person for not knowing before.
you my friend, are what we women like to call, A MAN
This is so cute 🥺❤️
I'm surprised you missed Eugene reciprocating Rapunzel's "loving the real you" thing. At the end, when Eugene sees Rapunzel with dark hair because her powers are now gone, the first thing he says is something like "I love brunettes."
"Did I ever tell you I have a thing for brunettes?"
Even beforehand he always pushes her hair out of her face to see her properly in contrast to Gothal not touching anything but her hair.
i love this scene 😭😭
@@kraftykactus1028 That's the line. Thank you.
Just when I thought a very loveable/relatable character couldn’t be any more relatable. XD
The thing about Eugene in Tangled is he didn't change for her. He shed the persona he had put on himself, to make himself more attractive, more successful, more whatever all he thought he needed to be and just was himself when he was with her. He didn't change, he just relaxed. Which didn't mean he lost everything he had become with the persona, some of it remained. Some of it was the same. He just left behind the parts that weren't true to himself.
And, frankly, that's the best thing that could happen in that situation.
I feel like the horse and their bromance had a huge role in his personal growth
@@lauraroeleveld4053 absolutely yes I agree
And we got to see more of that in the series. In the first season he was very much Flynn Rider, but that was while he was in the palace around people he'd stolen from and lied to and also people who could push aside the fact that he saved their daughter and throw him in jail immediately. When it was just him and Rapunzel, he was himself. He was Eugene. Throughout the last two seasons, you see even more of that growth as he learns more from Rapunzel about being true to yourself, and here's my favorite example.
In the series Promo Before Ever After, he proposes to her and she turns him down. Specifically, she runs out of the room in a panic, which is the worst kind of no you can get besides a laugh. In season two, he's about to try again but Rapunzel is still not ready. He was questioning it, then he found his ex, things happened, and Rapunzel tried to tell herself she was ready to be engaged. But he knew she still wasn't ready, and stopped her mid-proposal to say he was fine waiting.
I LOVE the writers of Tangled for that. They showed even more growth in their relationship than we hoped for, and boy oh boy was it beautiful. Watch the series if you haven't, it's AMAZING.
Reminds me of Walker Hayes song, Halloween Ended.
I love how Disney didn’t try to make Felix and Calhoun about “Fix-it”ing Calhouns PTSD. That he didn’t ask her to “move on” or “be okay” when those triggers happen. Even at their wedding, when normally any concept of a previous tragic marriage is avoided like the plague they still accommodated her needs by having EVERY soldier aiming at the church window. And Felix didn’t think that was something that needed fixing.
I think it’s a beautiful story and for people with PTSD it isn’t common enough.
I mean in game logic, it is very likely another bug would appear
It's also nice that he didn't try to fix her PTSD with a hammer.
I'd never thought of that, but you're right! Awesome! You gotta hand it to Disney's creative team, they know what they're about and they are masters!
I'm sure they played it for laughs but accidentally made an honest moment
People think trauma means you're broken. Really it's the fear of breaking something the same way. Felix made her comfortable to accept her fears and address them so she can love again instead of run away from those emotions. He fixed her views of herself, that she was never broken to begin with.
Rapunzel and Eugene is the best Disney couple. Nobody can change my mind.
I would place Tiana and Naveen as the second ❤
You are correct.
My favourite Disney Movie ❤
Hell nah
@@Ravioli-uw9uywhy not?
"People who are worth being with respond to real." Words to live by.
Agreed, it's best to find a flawed, but real person, not an unrealistically perfect one.
Agreed
I had to read this twice, it seemed like it was broken English or something the first time.
Yeah, it is good to live by.
In short: Real recognize real.
Certainly something I'm glad I learned before becoming an adult
In defense of Aladdin. He didn't necessarily become "Prince Ali" JUST to impress Jasmin. He did it because, BY LAW, she can ONLY marry a Prince. So it was a little bit of a political move, not just a romantic one.
But yeah. Lying to get into a relationship is always bad.
As soon as I read this comment I knew they hadn’t watched the film and had made all their opinions off I don’t even know what
Also, to be fair for Jasmine and Aladdin, they didn’t get married right away after the first movie either. The second movie ends with them agreeing to adventure out into the world together and the 3rd movie is when they’re finally getting married.
Yes, I was going to say the same. They missed the point of the film
@@dinnahenna4163 give them a break they aren't the target audience. They just trying to get ad revenue
@@dinnahenna4163 They don't rewatch the movies before hand. They obviously watched it before but not while filming the video. Alan preps some clips of the movie and Jonathan reacts to it. So they base their knowledge on what they remember and the few clips shown.
It's worth remembering that, when a lot of the earliest cliche fairytales were written, most people had arranged/introduced marriages, and very few people married because of true love. The 'love at first sight' trope seen in early fairy tales is SUPPOSED to be unusual and unlike the norm. People back then wanted to hear stories about love that was so much grander, purer, and more perfect than the love they experienced - a love so singular, that the two people fell in love before even knowing eachother's names.
Interesting thought.
Good point
True, and very rimantic, but setting a very unhealthy and unrealistic standard of romantic love, in movies aimed at young children, so still potentially problematic, even in its time
@Shmooksey The thing about arranged marriages are that it was/is mostly decided by family members and the child couldn't stand up for herself/himself
Thank you.
as someone whose never been in a relationship, this is not just entertaining on a sweet disney romance level, but it's really teaching me what makes a worthwhile relationship! I really feel so much better about waiting to find someone who I really click with rather than try to fit the mold so I can start dating asap. I love this channel sm!
I dated, but they were just convenient. I only fell in love once. I married him he was the love of my life.I wear his ashes on a chain constantly.
@@maryannangros8834im sorry for your lose, im glad you seem to have had a wonderful marriage with him
Having dating experience is generally a good idea. It helps you see what you like and don't like. I dated many people before I found my husband. Some people do get lucky in relationships, but experience teaches lessons to help you keep the relationship you want. Just something to keep in mind.
Here's an idea: do the Disney couples of the more obscure Disney movies. Duchess and O'Malley, Roger and Anita, Robin Hood and Maid Marian. Maybe they don't have much conflict between them, but that's why I love those couplings, they're just super wholesome! ^,^
Yes!!
O'Malley and Roger are the best romantic parnerts.
ooh, Milo and Kida. No one talks about Atlantis
@Jonathan Wolfe I like that one too! They establish the relationship right away so there's no need to distract from the story. And I also like how it's Bianca who makes the first move.
Milo and Kida.
In defense of prince charming, shoes in that era were custom made for the wearer, even for the lower classes. So it was perfectly reasonable for him to use the shoe as a means of identification. Also, in the original the ball was a masquerade (no way of knowing what she looks like) and lasted for three days (more chances to interact and get to know each other.
I'll always love the classic Tumblr post about how he has horrible face blindness and the shoe is literally the only way he can recognize her without the outfit.
There was a Disney-published story book that explained in the beginning that Cinderella had unusually tiny feet too.
@@meganary876 omg thats amazing
@@lucyandecember2843 It's extremely funny, I read it again every time it comes around
After possibly thousands of feet, if I were Cinderella I would not want that shoe back. She should have smelled that thing a mile away. 😆
I saw a post on Tumblr (because of course it was) pointing out that Calhoun has a proper traumatic flashback when Felix calls her a "dynamite gal" and his response to it was immediately avoiding the trigger, supporting her without requiring an explanation, and eventually making sure she felt safe and comfortable enough to face her trauma when she was ready to do so.
I was ECSTATIC to see you'd placed them as number one in that list, because I completely concur 8D
Yo same!
Same here! I'm so glad they acknowledged the nuance in the Nesquiksand scene (Tamora feeling bad about hurting Felix's eye and not wanting to hit him, but accepting it since it was their only escape and he could heal himself) because it shows that she's not one of those "we made this female character strong by having her be sadistic and violent" types. She only uses force when someone is a threat to themselves or others, or if there's no other option
Also these two do indeed have a very happy marriage - in post-movie content like Disney Heroes: Battle Mode (and even in their few scenes [and deleted scenes] from Ralph Breaks the Internet) they're always calling each other sweet nicknames, holding hands, being affectionate, working well as a team, and respecting each other without trying to change each other. They're a lot like Gomez and Morticia and I really wish we had more Felix and Tamora content out there!
Also yes on great portrayal of PTSD! In addition to everything you said, they also showed how PTSD can manifest in "big" and "little" ways. Like when we first see a flashback of her backstory when she's walking towards the Sugar Rush tunnel, she just kinda freezes before becoming aware again, but later in the shuttle with Felix she has a full-on panic episode.
And even though Felix doesn't understand at first, he figures out pretty fast not to say "dynamite gal" around her anymore and is supportive of her, while she treats him as an equal as well and never looks down on him for being small or mild-mannered.
@@fishdude2954 thank you so much for these additions! especially your interpretation of why she hit Felix in the first place with the Nesquicksand. That is EXACTLY right. The violence was ONLY resorted to because he was endangering them both, and all other options had been exhausted.
It's been YEARS since I've seen the movie, so I knew there were other examples of the handling of her PTSD, but they didn't spring to mind, so much appreciated on the assist 8D
Calhoun definitely hit the jackpot, she found a partner who will never die on her. One tap of the Hammer and he's good as new.
Felix, of course, also hit his jackpot, but for...different reasons.
The thing with Rapunzel and Eugene is, if you continue with the series, their relationship only gets better. They're both so supportive of each other, and have such a good friendship alongside their romance. I love it so much LOL
He's so supportive throughout the series. He recognizes her desire for independence since she hadn't had it for so long, he gives her space, but also let's her knows he'll be there for her when ready. He doesn't push her throughout the series at all and allows her to find her way while supporting her desire to learn to explore, and later to rule. Dude is a gem.
Rapunzel is the worst and most toxic girlfriend to Flynn! She always lets Cassandra or anyone else always insult him while just standing there without saying a word, keeps secrets from him, draws his face on a punching bag just for Cassandra and never even apologizes for it, travels back in time to fix his personality, ignores him on the day of hearts and rejects his proposals several times even though in the movie she wanted to give up everything just to save him at the end, are you kidding me? This seems so out of character for her! And this whole rejecting marriage plotline is just a sign that they don't fit together and such a relationship could never work in real life and we shouldn't teach kids that it could, then little girls will just expect to much and end up in a divorce later in life! This just couldn't work! No self respecting man would put up with being rejected twice or would wait years to be able to truly be together with a girl if he really wants to marry her. And it just couldn't work if one person wants to get married and the other doesn't because then one person would always have to give in and in the series Flynn always has to give in, Rapunzel never does. And this just isn't fair or healthy! What about his feelings and his wishes? Why do only her feelings and wishes matter? In a healthy love relationship, both opinions should matter! And if they have such different opinions and life goals, then it just couldn't work! And then it would be time to break up! And no man would put up with this in real life unless he is a simp but Flynn wasn't one in the movie and according to his backstory he was an egoistical jerk before he met her, so it would make no sense that he could change from an egoistical player into a simp in such a short time and it's not good that Disney is sending little girls such a message. It's no wonder that so many relationships nowadays don't work out and end in a divorce or a break up if we are teaching women that they should expect that men would always give in and ignore their own wishes and opinions while the women never give them anything in return and instead act like they don't really care about them, put their female best friends always above them, just stand there while they are bullied constantly and reject their proposals several times! And it's so unfair because if the roles were reversed everyone would agree that this is toxic but if a guy is treated like that it's ok. That's such a double standard. And Rapunzel having trauma is no excuse, because he also has trauma. He grew up alone and unloved in an orphanage and on the streets and he always treats her right. This is just unfair and toxic and it angers me that people call this the healthiest relationship in Disney when it's actually toxic and when there are other Disney couples who are very healthy but are always forgotten like Tarzan and Jane or Robin Hood and maid Marian.
And people shouldn't criticize the other princess couples for marrying so early when that is just how things worked back then when the stories are set. If anything they should criticize them for getting together so fast because back then people got engaged quickly after falling in love and there is nothing wrong with being engaged, you could be engaged for months or a year before marrying and they should have just done that with Rapunzel and Flynn. And he didn't even propose after a few days but after a few months, and for this time period that's an equivalent for a few years in our time, so it was the right time and she should have said yes. And the way this scene is framed, it looks like she wanted to say yes but then thought about how her life would be then and if that seems so horrible to her then she shouldn't be with him anymore! Flynn deserves better, he deserves someone who accepts his proposal the first time and who doesn't subconsciously consider marriage to be a trap. Whoever considers marriage to be a prison shouldn't even have a relationship! And two people who have such different wishes and goals just don't fit together and this could never work! And why is marrying framed to be bad even when it's after they know each other for months but sacrificing yourself for the other even when you have only known each other for a few days framed to be alright? If you want such a modern relationship with such problems, then don't bring in a scene in the movie when both are literally willing to give up their lives for each other after having known each other just for such a short time! And if you want to show such a romantic and touching scene where two characters want to give up anything for each other because they love each other so much, then don't ruin it later with such nonsense where she literally rejects promising to stay together with him and only to love him! It seems so ridiculous that they say she wouldn't give up her freedom for him, when she was literally willing to do that for all eternity for him in the movie! It just makes no sense! It makes that whole scene of the movie unbelievable! And why does marrying him even mean she has to give up her freedom??? It only means that if you secretly want to break up or cheat! It's just a promise to only love each other and to not break up anymore! And if she truly loved him, she would want that and not see it as having to give up her freedom! And it's just not healthy that only he wants that and this just wouldn't work and he's always treated so badly and not allowed to have a different opinion! When he has another opinion than her just once, then she travels back in time to fix his personality and people are seriously calling this healthy??? I know that wasn't her intention but she seemed to be perfectly ok with it at the end and acted like it's right that his opinion was altered against his will even though he was right at first! Flynn deserves so much better! It's also cruel that they changed his personality so much and made him so stupid! I refuse to believe the Flynn in the movie and the one in the series are the same character!
It's just so cruel what they did to him just because of modern feminism and because Frozen made more money! But in my opinion they completely destroyed Flynn and their relationship and i wish they never made this stupid series in the first place! The story was over, there was nothing more to tell and they just ruined the beautiful love story of the movie for me and above all sent horrible messages like marrying means giving up your freedom or that a man's opinion shouldn't matter and that he should always have to change his opinions and wishes for his girl while the girl never has to make any compromises and always gets anything she wants and is worshiped all the time by her man while she never gives him anything in return and ignores his feelings and needs because they apparently don't matter! It's just not fair! And I will never forgive them all of that and never stop hating this series and I can only still enjoy the movie if I count this as not canon!
@@mariechen4375 Absolutely not reading all of that. If you want anyone on earth to understand what you wrote, please adopt paragraph breaks.
@@mariechen4375 I really red all of it and i think i got it, despite i am german 😅 I love the movie and have not watched the series so far. After your comment i will not watch, because i love Eugene and Rapunzel in the movie so much and dont want to spoil it for me. Maybe I am a bit in love with him myself 😂 (and I am 35 years old 😅).
what i've always loved dearly about the animated cinderella is the arc of a person who has been in an abusive home for most of her life learning what it means to deserve love and affection. yes, she dances with someone handsome and he finds her attractive as well, but they also walk and talk for hours on the grounds (although we the viewers get it as a montage). as the clock strikes midnight, they've been sitting and talking to each other when she needs to make a magical quick get away - her excuse is, "the prince! i haven't met the prince yet!" and the prince has a visible reaction when he realizes she spent all this time with him, not because she's after the crown, but because she genuinely enjoyed his company. i think that's the actual important moment in the new relationship, not the locking eyes and dancing a waltz.
cinderella gets a lot of hate from folks who haven't watched her movie in a long time (or ever). but i think those folks underestimate how powerful it is to find affection when you've been told all your life that you are garbage, barely fit to serve the people who were supposed to love and protect you the most, when you finally accept (accept and believe, not realize) your humanity and your dignity and your wholeness. and if you actually watch the movie, you find a much more interesting personality than "just be nice all the time, even to your abuser!" or "omg he's cute i'm in love". she has sarcasm, wit, emotional endurance, softness, and yes, incredible compassion. she has to hide her personality to her abusers to survive, but she's still there.
idk, it's really easy to dismiss femininity and softness. the femmes who use traditionally masculine tactics to succeed at their goals are not the only strong femme characters; sometimes strength looks like the emotional fortitude to stay alive with your heart intact.
I love this response. I've always found Cinderella to be one of the more compelling female leads in a Disney film because yes, she does have this seemingly impossible capacity for compassion despite her circumstances, but she's not completely blind to her situation. She knows her step-sisters and step-mother are utterly garbage people, and I love that in those moments where she is alone in her reality, she'll make a sarcastic or biting comment on them. And I absolutely agree with your comment on the power of affection. As someone who's been in an abusive relationship, you really are ground down to relying on sheer faith and the belief that you'll love again, especially when it comes to regaining the love you have for yourself. There's beauty and romance in that quiet strength you need to push through another day and realize that even if it's only until midnight, you can experience a real connection with someone again and let yourself shine through.
Thank you for putting into words what I've always thought about Cinderella and why she is my favourite Disney princess!
Another thing about them is Charming and Ella were both in rough situations where they needed a solution. Their marriage was based on affection, true, but also practicality. Ella (Cinderella was a nickname from her stepsisters) needed an escape from her family; Charming needed to marry Someone because his father, the King, commanded he do so. It was just fantastic that they found someone they liked.
Bravo. This is beautiful!
One of the changes which the movie made was to make the stepsisters ugly. In the original fairy tale they were beautiful like Cinderella. The Prince choose Cinderella because of her interior beauty. I always loved that about Cinderella. In spite of her horrible, unjust circumstances she was cheerful, kind, patient, and fully self possessed and would not become bitter. What an important lesson for all of us!
I want to give Cinderella a little more credit. She was the only person at the ball with no interest in Prince Charming (she didn't even know who he was!). All the other guests were there to secure a marriage, she just wanted a nice night out for what was probably the first time. She was the only guest who saw him as a person and not a title, and he showed her kindness and affection.
Yess!! Time to let Cinderella shine she deserves more yess!! She wasn’t out searching for him. She wanted out from her abusive life for once. He sorta helped her out of it.
Sorry but I believe you might have misunderstood this part, the guys only mentioned the problem with Prince Charming. They said they wouldn't call that love, and I agree with them. I know Cinderella animated movie is a classic, however it is interpreted that Cinderella and Prince Charming are in love, after they only met once and they haven't really talked to each other. Also the whole trying the shoe on every single women is kinda stupid, how can you forget how the love of your life looks like? It is a good story but we cannot say they have a healthy relationship based on the animated movie.
@@esztellakiss2982 this is a movie where birds help Cinderella shower! If you take issue with the unrealistic romance and the shoe-fitting, then you must take issue with the talking mice, pumpkin carriage and fairy godmother. It's a fairytale. All the fantastical elements are supposed to be symbolic.
But in the movie she says that she never got to dance with prince charming after the bell rung (she didn't know she was already with him) so technically she did come for prince charming lol
@@spicynoodles9506 tbh it seemed more like her giving an excuse as to why she needed to leave
We need a part 2 or even a part 3 or 4, other interesting Disney romances:
-Felix and Peppa
-Tiana and Naveen
-Ariel and Eric
-Anna and Kristoff
-Aurora and Phillip
-Belle and Beast
-Pocahontas and John
-Anastasia and Dimitri
Edit #1: Newly added
-Tarzan and Jane
-Wall E and Eve
-Lady and Tramp
-Bambi and Faline
Edit #2 Newly added part 2:
- Hercules and Meg
- Mulan and Shang
- Roger Rabbit and Jessica Rabbit
-Milo and Kida
-Bernard and Ms. Bianca
-Duchess and O'miley
-Esmeralda and Phoebus
-Carl and Ellie
-Nani and David
-Giselle and Robert
More:
-Max and Roxanne
-Goofy and Sylvia
-Mickey and Minnie
-Donald and Daisy
Tarzan and Jane as well o.o
never say anything bad about felix and pepa.
ariel and eric are problematic sis literally sold her voice for a dude nobodys worth that much
belle and beast i'm not getting into
just- no. only tiana and naveen and felix and pepa and anna and kristoff
oh god and aurora and philip are WORSE than snow white and her guy. he met her when she was a baby. and then once when she was a teenager. then kissed the corpse. i'm seeing a theme.
Pocahontas and John Smith is literally the worst of all of them because their story was based loosely on real life people. The real life Pocahontas wasn't an independent, strong, sassy, woman... she was a child, and being abused and raped by grown ass men.
The fact that Disney chose to turn such a tragic REAL story into a cartoon is really shameful. I used to like it as a kid, especially the raccoon and hummingbird and grandma willow... But its like a seriously messed up movie... I can never see it the same way again.
Man Disney has a LOT of really problematic content. How do they keep from getting cancelled?
@@angel_vii ignorance and money.
I will say I love Snow White as an art form. It was the first full-length traditionally animated feature EVER. People in the business thought Disney was crazy trying to make a full-length animated movie. He took a huge risk to make it, changing the history of animation/cinema forever! Because it is the first full-length animated film, it earns a top place in the best-animated movies. Just don't build relationships off of it.
I never can believe how slow people were to pick up on new ideas for technology, even as recently as back in the early 20th century. The public certainly sided with Disney. Meanwhile, I suppose Snow White is supposed to take place in what, the 15th-16th century? What do they expect? 😂
The criticism people make of Snow White from the point of view of how real relationships are supposed to work annoys me and is colossally unfair. It always seems to be based in ignorance on why the film was made, how it was made, and who made it. It completely ignores the fact that:
A) It's meant to entertain first and foremost (which all movies are), not be a blueprint for how to live your life. There has never been any point in time where Disney has stated that their films are meant to educate or tell people how to live. Their primary mission statement from the beginning has been to entertain. People who think otherwise are factually and historically incorrect.
B) As you said, it was the first ever full length animated feature film. They were still in the early stages of the art form, which means there were still things that needed time to be improved. One of these was animating handsome men. At that point they had figured out beautiful women enough to convincingly animate Snow White, but the Prince was difficult for them so he doesn't appear in the film much as a result. The animation for the Prince in Cinderella a little over 10 years later is a huge improvement, but they didn't really have the handsome prince type of character animation perfected until Sleeping Beauty, which was released a little over 20 years after Snow White!
C) It is a straight up a classic fairytale, told with the same kind of simple story telling that you would see in fairy tale books (which was smart, considering the huge risk making this film was). The filmmakers knew that, and weren't trying to pretend it was anything other than that. For scenes like the wishing well scene, where Snow meets the Prince, they did experiment in the early stages of development of having the Snow and the Prince have a conversation with each other. But ultimately, they didn't feel that it worked, and decided that going with a musical number and a more fairytale approach to the scene would make it more timeless. And quite frankly I think they were right to do that.
D) Animated films are made by real, regular people, who have real relationships, real dating experiences, and real marriages. Walt Disney himself was happily married for a little over a decade at the time Snow White was released! So the idea that the people who made this film are trying to get a message across that real romance is supposed to look like the romance in Snow White is patently absurd.
That’s sound advice.
@JessAnderson1988 I agree! Not to mention romance wasn't even the focus of the movie. The Prince was essentially the prize Snow White got for being kind and compassionate and virtuous even when she was subjected to cruelty and abuse by her own family. Not to mention we should consider when this movie came out. Snow White was released during the Great Depression, and it was a reminder of hope and love. Romance wasn't really even the main plot, rather it was about a girl who suffered tremendous abuse and came put stronger and kinder.
@@JessAnderson1988 Totally agree with you. And it's a film for children! This is my all time favourite Disney princess, and I can safely say that I didn't stand by a well singing for my prince to come as an adult. I enjoyed the movie for what it was- a happily ever after fairy tale.
The difference with Flynn and Repunzel is that it isn't "Bad guy turns good for a woman" and more "Bad guy turns good for a friend". Because he changes to be good before there's any romantic intention you can't pin it to the former trope, he changes because for what is probably the only time in his life there is a good person willing to be good, truthful, and accepting to him and considering he's a good person at heart he replicates those feelings and attitudes
I disagree that he's a bad guy, but I agree with him changing after finding someone who speaks to his good nature. He isn't really a bad guy to start with. He's playacting at being a villain at best; he actually comes off more like a good guy who is also a career art thief because he romanticizes the Robin Hood lifestyle. He's very smart and cunning to have pulled off the heists that he's wanted for, but nice guy who got kicked by the system isn't a real villain. The moment "Flynn Ryder" had something better to do, Eugene popped out and stayed.
I heard a podcast where they said Ursula from Little Mermaid shouldn't have been killed, she was a victim of Triton's kingdom and shunned for breaking the laws. BUT, if you go through juvie for a felony, get out and start dealing crack outside middle schools (making a real-world comparison to Ursula here), clearly you aren't making life choices that benefit others. Flynn Ryder was little better than a petty thief and changed his ways immediately. Ursula spent 50 years loan-sharking and breaking kneecaps out of spite over someone else's actions.
I concur. The story has a nice pacing from being unusual allies to them eventually having feelings for each other (ahem, the boat scene, ahem).
@@damienstadler8919 Eugene stole royal jewels and countless other things to make him so infamous. Every villain and bad guy has a reason for being, but Eugene is a good person at heart which is, like I said in my comment, why he changed once he had a relationship of any type with another good person. But that doesn't mean he didn't start out as a bad guy. Ursula was just plain bad, she manipulated and attempted to ruin the life and reputation of a very naive young woman just because of spite against her father. No matter what effects were in her life to cause that those were her choices as reactions to her pain, and even if she couldn't control her pain she can definitely control her reaction. This is also in part true for Eugene, but his reactions didn't involve manipulation and derangement, just thievery to get by and hopefully into a better position in life. Both are bad, one is much worse, and both can change even if only one actually did. But just because they can change doesn't excuse what they did. Even if they did change, they do deserve a second chance but you can't forget what they did as if they never did it.
He really just had better company! Its easier to want to be who you are/benefit those around you when you have people and support worth being better for.
I'd like to see your ranking of Disney friendships. Characters like Woody and Buzz, Vanellope and Ralph, Timon and Pumbaa, Lilo and Stitch, Lumiere and Cogsworth, Marlin and Dory... there's a whole bunch that are each unique, with their own level of animosity that they overcome.
We've got a Woody and Buzz episode coming very soon!
@@CinemaTherapyShow OMIGOSH, YES
I would love a Marlin and Dory one!
Ohh this is a great idea!
@@SaskiaSketches I agree that's a good one!
The only relationship that's on par for me with Flynn and Raps is absolutely Tiana and Naveen, I ADORE their relationship, bro starts a respectful (albeit obnoxiously oblivious rich boy) king and she softens around him and our bro is willing to give up EVERYTHING to support her and her dreams because doing so doesn't just make her happy, it introduces a purpose to his life he never had before
came here to say this!
YES TIANA AND NAVEEN
A very underrated relationship is Herc and Meg. Flynn and Raps are my favorite, though.
I haven't watched the movie with Tiana and Naveen but to me it doesn't sound very healthy to give up on everything for someone. Bro, like get your own passion, find your own purpose that you have full purpose on and then make people happy around as an extra (if that makes you happy and adds on your existing purpose)
@@kristamariau he didn’t have any of that haha it was part of his character journey to go “huh! Maybe being a handsome lazy prince who goes around flirting with women and spending lots of money isn’t all that life is cracked up to be!” And he like meets people other than her in New Orleans and learns that you can *shock horror* work with your hands??? So yeah, totally valid critique but I promise that’s like literally the point
Let’s just take a moment to appreciate how good and well Jonathan hit that high note 2:36 oml slay😂
I was surprised 😂
Really wish you guys would have covered Tiana and Naveen. I love their relationship because they're such good foils initially and they bring out the best in each other--Tiana helps Naveen buckle down and have discipline, Naveen helps Tiana let loose a bit. Plus at their core they just have a really good dynamic that feels really natural and they sacrifice so much for each other. Hoping for a part 2!!!
YES no one else has brought these two up but they're the perfect xample of the meeting in the middle thing jono was talking about
And Ray and Evangeline hehehe, I'd like to hear about his romance with the moon
YES!
Well. It’s their channel. I guess they don’t have to do things because people likes curtain things.
It's a terrible movie. It belongs in a swamp. That's why no one talks about them. Most people are traumatized by this movie and block it out of their memory.
Eugene came clean with her within the course of one day. They had just met that morning and already he’s telling her the truth. I love that about them.
please watch the series if you haven’t already
@@PacificWanderer
It's interesting because they do a bit of the thing where conflict could be solved by just talking, but it's never because they don't want to or are being too stubborn to talk. They've just agreed on momentarily shelfing certain topics and are trying to get on the same page about being ready to address them.
I love how they developed his characters further in the show! Definitely recommend checking that out.
@@emeraldg8667 in the show their relationship is really healthy and cute
@@emeraldg8667 Me too but I don't like that father plot twist that much..
I felt like Eugene didn't so much "come clean" as found someone who he felt he could be comfortable around. I don't think he specifically tried to fool Rapunzel so much as just had a front he presented to the world, and she was just another part of the world at first. Once he got to know her a bit though, he was willing to let the mask slip since he felt he could trust her. I'd consider that notably different from what Aladdin did with Jasmine, even aside from the timing of the reveal.
This is a GREAT point
Amen
This ^^^
I agree. Flynn even sarcastically remarked how trusting him was “A horrible decision really” he never lies to her, and probably felt she’d turn him in once they arrived at Corona. But eventually he learns to open up when it’s obvious she’s counting on him to keep her safe and obviously help her to Corona. I really love the part when she opens up about mother and her hair, he asks “And you’re still going to go back?” genuinely concerned about her as a human after hearing how mother treated her. But I just really love the part when he tries to get around revealing poor orphan Eugene Fitzherbert, she just scoots closer and he chuckled like “Fine, I give up. I get you told me your secret.” And the way his eyes lit up revisiting his childhood memories is adorable and he’s a bit embarrassed about his past, but she actually prefers Eugene Fitzherbert over Flynn Rider. Aww!
I do agree
To be fair to the ORIGINAL story of Cinderella, she had absurdly small feet for being part fae/faerie, so her feet where considerably smaller than normal, and the golden (not glass) slipper was custom made to exactly fit her feet.
Also I like to think he has face blindness so he can't really tell anyone's face, no matter how much he likes/knows them (same here)
But it was the king's idea that they should use the shoe to find Cinderella.
@@Furienna Is face-blindness heritable?
@@Eloraurora Maybe, but that's not what this story is about.
It is about that Cinderella ran away and only left that slipper as a clue to her identity.
@@Furienna Even if it's the king's idea to use the slipper, if his son weren't faceblind then he'd be able to at least give a rough description of her face. And the king would know about his son's inability to tell faces apart, wouldn't he?
@@pineapplefrostyfruits9225 Didn't a lot of other people see Cinderella at the ball too?
Were they all face-blind?
Now, what I think is the problem here is that the prince didn’t actively participate in the search for Cinderella even though he should have in the fairytale.
Which was perfect for the animators behind the Disney movie because they still had difficulties with making prince characters back then for some reason.
So he was excluded from some scenes, where he should have been present...
Princess and the Frog!!! I loved how she still achieved her dream and it wasn't just brushed off as "oh she fell in love her dream is gone now". Like she did sacrifice her dreams to save him because he meant a lot to her, but he also knew how important that dream was to her and helped her out
She didn't "sacrifice her dream to save him". She kissed him as a frog with the expectation that he would immediately return to being human. Her dream was temporarily put on hold bc that same kiss turned HER into a frog. Which, in searching for an actual solution, is what resulted in her spending time with the prince and BOTH of them actually getting to know AND value each other. Which lead to their wedding (still as frogs, mind you) and them becoming human again. Making both of their dreams come true.
I am fairly certain that this prince (I do not know how to spell his name and I am 99.999% sure my autocorrect would butcher it too) is THE most in-depth personality we see from a Disney prince in a movie. Second, all time, imo, to Prince Charming in Once Upon A Time (series).
It's nice too the Naveen didn't shelf his dreams either. They found a way to tie them together. Though they'll both have to compromise again when his parents retire.
I am really interested in your take with Wall-E's and Eve's relationship. Everyone hears how relationships are supported by communication, however, Wall-E represents a relationship that has both parties having limited ways of communicating with each other (or at least in the customary sense of physically talking). This movie is one of my favorites because of the factor that these two robots are able to care for each other through "show, don't tell", and I'm excited on your takes on how a relationship works with different forms of communication and love languages.
that on'es one of my favorites, solely because of the fact that you can clearly tell what their story is with barely any dialogue between them
WALL-E is a great idea !
Ooh, different forms of communication in relationships. Nice idea.
This movie always makes me CRY so much 😭♥️
I looooooove that movie, its such a great way to show non verbal communication skills.
I think another key reason Rapunzel and Eugene's relationship doesn't feel like the "bad boy with a heart of gold that changes for a woman" trope is because Rapunzel isn't trying to change him. She likes what she sees as he changes, but she didn't see broken boy and go "I fix him now" which is often the catalyst for the guy's change in things that follow that trope. And you guys touched on how banking on someone changing is not a good place to start a relationship when you were talking about Simba and Nala so I need not expound on that.
She actually says something like that in the show
THANK you! I wasn’t able to put my finger on why those two things bothered me and that’s exactly why! Awesome!
I would have ranked Eugene and Rapunzel higher than Simba/Nala.
@@MonkeyJedi99 Same here. I was never invested in Simba and Nala as a couple. It's been too long since I watched it to be able to identify why. All I know is that as a kid I was in it for the prophetic monkey(mandrill) painting with fruit 🤷♀️
Yeah exactly. This is also my preferred method of Enemies to Lovers where villains leave villainy behind for a hero*; it isn't the hero intentionally trying to redeem them (regardless of what they may or may not desperately want of the villain), but the villain wanting to do better than they were because of how the hero is. Might be some bumps on the road, but that just makes a story more interesting imho.
*and yes I do mean that bc I love me some fallen hero romances too. Can't be that selfish irl so gotta get the selfish brainworms out somehow lmao.
Ok, I need the Cinderella remake where the shoe fits a stable boy rather than Cinderella and the prince and the stable hand are just like "guess it's you I've been looking for"
It would be the cutest accidental gay love story EVER.
But how did he come to the conclusion of going to a stable hand? I have to know the lore!
@@bubblexbeez maybe it starts as a joke? He can't find a woman who fits the shoe, and thinks it would be funny to try a man. Ends up fitting, they fall in love.
@@waxenby8362 this sounds so goofy and creative
Gay Cinderella parody.
The thing I like about Fix It Felix and Calhoun is that Felix also has a thing where he realised that the words "Dynamite Gal" was a trigger for Calhoun because of her programmed trauma from her crashed wedding and never says it again when he's in front of her but only when he describes her to Ralph when they're alone. I know it's like a very low bar to set with "Don't trigger your signifant other and make them relive traumatic experiences" but I just really love the detail and teh fact that Felix really respects boundaries even if Calhoun never explicitly told him about hers.
Felix is husband material me thinks
Mr Fix-It Felix fixed her broken heart... and didn't do it by using his magic hammer.
That's how you know he's a great guy. He knew her kind of pain takes time to heal from, he never rushed it or tried to fix it quickly - he just supported her and let her know he was there if she needed him.
I like how in Cinderella, it's shown that they talk for a long while, and when Cinderella needs to get away she says she wants to see the prince. She spent time with him 'cause she liked him and not because he's the prince. It is infatuation, but the animated sequels really flesh out the Prince Charming and their relationship. Also shoes were custom made until like, 1920s, and they were glass so only one girl out of the entire kingdom fitting into them isn't that unrealistic.
The original shoes were velvet but they were too difficult to animate so Disney made them glass
@@cs4887 As if glass is easier lol
Yes, this, absolutely! Also, they're getting down on my boy Charming for not "being able to recognize" Cinderella? There was no opportunity for Prince Charming to recognize/not recognize Cinderella. It wasn't Prince Charming who went looking for her with the shoe! The King sent the Duke out with it, trying to manipulate the prince into marriage so he could have grandchildren. That was the whole point of the ball in the first place.
lol I kind of like the idea of Prince Charming using her shoe to match with a cute stable boy 😂
They need to react to the third movie of the Cinderella Trilogy. It fleshes out the prince so well! Their relationship makes a little bit more sense if you watch it.
Just to clarify. Eugene never claims to not be a thief. He admits to Rapunzel that he was being chased when they first met, and she never asks him about the satchel. That is why she asks him if the man in the story was a thief, too; even though he never outright told her he was or wasn't. He only lied about his name.
And even then, once he tells her about his past, it becomes clear that "Flynn Rider" is more of a persona that he projects than anything else. He's technically lying, but it's not a lie that he's using to try and woo her into a relationship
@@DepravedCoTApologist no it’s a lie he tells everyone because it’s the persona he’s adopted in order to protect himself from getting hurt
The point about Eugene putting Rapunzel’s needs instead of his own hits closer with the context of the sequel series, where the writers try like 30 different things with him to try to figure out what his motivation in life is aside from making her happy. They eventually settle on him becoming a cop, which is wild for a *number* of reasons, and I’ve always felt like it was a missed opportunity not to have him explore other passions. I would’ve loved to see him become a writer, given his love for Flynnigan Rider!
Sequel where?
@@meou_meou maybe cartoon?
@@meou_meou there's a short called Tangled Ever After about their wedding, but Tangled the Series was a 2D cartoon on Disney (I think it's still on Disney+ in the states, about the events of Tangled before they get married.
Rapunzel and Eugene are by far my favorite Disney couple. It might just be because I think they’re incredibly cute, or because I’ve seen the series as well as the movie and it expands on them beautifully. It’s also very nice how they don’t get married right away like so many other princesses, but instead take some time, and (especially if you consider the series), she gets to live her own life outside of a romantic relationship without disregarding it, before setting anything is stone. In case you hadn’t noticed, I highly recommend it, they’re far too cute the whole time and it’s pretty well written for a series aimed at children.
My favorite too! I’m kinda sad they weren’t first. Tbh I actually like Kovu and Kiara more than Simba and Nala
The series is so good
I just like how healthily the series portrays them in a mature domestic sense as well - most Disney movies have bonding over life-or-death situations then... that's it. I loved how it shows their dynamic in normal situations and how it's not always just them "saving each other" since it's such a tired romantic cheat code. Eugene also basically turns into a male wife himbo but I'm fine with that because it's funny and works.
Yeah, they're my favorite. And the series does show their burgeoning relationship. It's much more down to earth than most Disney romances.
welcome to the party cause i believe the same no matter what they say
I like to read Cinderella's reaction to the prince as her just being so happy to be treated with kindness by another human being for the first time ever since her father died. This girl has been put upon by her step family, has no outside world contact, and whose only friends are mice, birds and her dog. And granted, she was just visited by the fairy godmother, but that was a magical miracle lady whose stated goal is to make Cinderella happy. The prince is just a normal human being with no obligation to make her happy, he just does it because he wants to. 'So This is Love' is her remembering what kindness and respect felt like after years of abuse. This then gets cemented the next day when she learns that not only was that cool guy she danced with the prince, so he REALLY had no obligations to please her, but he's also doing everything in his power to find her again.
I kinda wish Prince Charming actually did have a personality to match Cinderella's. At the time, Disney didn't put that much effort into their male leads, they just kinda existed to be the way out for our more interesting princesses. I like to imagine that the Prince is also emotionally neglected, so he and Cindy connect over that or something. Something could be done here.
I recommend watching the third Cinderella film. Yes, it's one of the films from Disney's infamous direct-to-video sequel era but unlike a lot of the sequels, a lot of care and effort was put into it. The movie fleshes put the prince a bit more and has him and puts his and Cinderella's relationship to the test. It's a fun film, honestly.
I was thinking exactly that--watch Cinderella III. The prince and Cinderella are FULL of character development (and secret identities, and jumping from windows, etc.). Also Anastasia gets developed and Drizella is HILARIOUS. LOVE IT.👍
@@Shahrezad1 is that the one where one of the stepsisters find romance with the baker?
@@literaturenerd8963 If I remember correctly that was in the 2nd movie, which was a collection of multiple shorter stories, including the one with the sister falling for the baker.
This take is honestly really nice and I think I will remember it like this from now on when I here "is this love".
Tbh, they saved the Cinderella and Prince charming love story with the sequels. They show more of an actual relationship, getting to know each other, yearning for each other, having conflict and resolving it. It fills in the gap between when he finds her again and the wedding. And it's very beautiful
lol Watching Charming jump out the window in the sequel was pretty fab NGL
@@smm855 Lmao, true
I really liked the Whitney Houston version that was shown on TV. It had them meeting in the town before the ball.
@@littlesongbird1
The 2015 remake has them meet before the ball too...
And there's an aminated series based on Cinderella that does the same thing.
Honestly The Cinderella franchise is actually has some good sequels
I truly believe rapunzel and Eugene will always be one of the best love stories out there... my favorite is princess and the frog just because i love the story and its my comfort... but i cried while watching tangled because of their love
Cinderella III: A Twist in Time really fleshes out the Cinderella/Charming relationship in a very fun and cute way. Original Cinderella kinda suffers from story-itis where it didn’t seem to have the time to go into their relationship, so it’s really nice to see them have the time to fall in love in a direct-to-video sequel of all things.
Yo, I absolutely love Cinderlla 3. That movie is such a ride.
Oh my goodness. The prince in Cinderella III is hilarious.
YRS CINDERELLA 3 IS AMAZING
HE'S SUCH A HIMBO I LOVE THAT MAN! XD
I was hoping someone would mention this. I love Cinderella 3! I never thought I'd like one of the direct to video sequels so much.
Alan: “Man, we’re going to do more of these, even if you all hate it.”
Me: Are you kidding? I LOVE IT please do more
Seconded
This was really fun :)
yes!
Yeah me too I really want to see the marvel pairings.
@@squirrel8185 Yass. that and marvel bromances.
Don't threaten me with a good time!
I would love to see Mulan and Shang. Like, how does a relationship built on respect operate when that initial respect is built on lies? They're both doing "fake it til you make it"!
Mulan earned his respect with her growth and determination during training.
Before that he's got no respect for her, she's sloppy, uncoordinated, rejects authority, doesn't seem to take war seriously, and even disrupts other's training... to the point where she gets kicked out.
She starts out that relationship by loosing all of his respect for her, mind you this is bare minimum respect for war cannon fodder, at that point she is literally got less respect than a horse would because at least a horse can be of use in the war.
She re earns his respect through her determination to improve.
Soo... it's not respect based on being a man.
Her actions still stand as her own achievements worthy of respect even when she's discovered to be a woman.
I agree with Mel and I think this is akin to the whole Aladdin situation somewhat, but in Mulan's case, it's actually far more understandable as well (because if she told him she was a woman, she would have risked failing her mission on the spot, whereas Aladdin was more or less lying for personal gain, because he really wanted to be with Jasmine).
No one gonna mention how Shang starts as also under societies thumb to make his family proud? He starts the movie as an almost dorky daddy's boy.
I'm no professional but i don't think that respect was built on lies. Mulan was being exactly who they we're inside, they lied about who they we're on the *outside* which is very different. She catfished him, but she didn't lie about who she was. Still not great, but she has very good reason behind it.
Adding to the comments above. I think that although Shang did feel betrayed by finding out Mulan lied to him, the main reason why he kicked Mulan out of the military was because in those times it was basically expected to treat women that way, and as the Commander?/General? (I can't really remember his rank) he had to set an example for his soldiers. In fact, sparing Mulan's life (in the animated movie) was very odd in itself based on the reaction of the... Secretary?/Advisor? Regardless, since Shang didn't really interact with any other women in the animated film, we can't really say for certain what he was thinking after Mulan told him the truth, but I am guessing Shang didn't really care about gender to begin with, just following the rules, training his soldiers, and winning the war with as few casualties as possible. And as such, Mulan earned his respect by training and becoming a strong and dedicated soldier.
Hi! I'm dealing with a lot of physical pain because of hernia in my spine and I happen to go through it alone. and only you guys can really distract me here, I love watching you roasting romances most of all. You feel like a family to me, thank you so much!
Sorry you’re going through a difficult time. I concur. I’m having to isolate with COVID and watching Cinema Therapy has been getting me through!
@@rpaynenyc Hi! I hope you will get better soon! Have been through covid too.
Wishing you wellness!!
how are you doing now?
Ranking movie bromances is honestly such a good idea! Everybody loves talking about the romantic relationships, but platonic relationships are really REALLY underrated! I would love to see more talk about bromance on this channel!
I know they said MARVEL bromances but yes please to all movie bromances…especially would like to suggest The Road to El Dorado!
Agreed! I loved this video, but I totally agree that we need more on platonic relationships in general, I was thinking of the girls in Booksmart, I'd be interested in their take on them
"I Love You, Man" too!
Yes!
Pacha and Kuzko!
As someone who is also face-blind like Prince Charming, I totally understand why he was using the shoe to find her. Cinderella 3: A Twist In Time shows that he could tell girls apart, but he wouldn't necessarily know how to describe her.
It took me nearly 2 weeks of living with my roommate before I would have been able to pick her out of a crowd and I constantly have people wave at me who I swear I have never seen before.
I like this. Prince Charming has face blindness; our first disabled Disney character.
but doesn't the fairy godmother cast a spell on cinderella in order for him to not recognize her after midnight?
But if he’s face-blind then how does he recognise her when she’s not in her Princess getup in A Twist in Time? The mice only told him “you’re under a spell, Cinderelly was the girl at the ball!” and he bolted off to find her ... I know she was technically the only woman on the boat but my point still stands!
@@LadyLeomon wasn't that because he had previously held her hand or something?
@@barbaravanwijk2835 ... but holding someone’s hand doesn’t stop the face-blind person being unable to tell them apart from the other faceless people
“Don’t icky yuck. Ask for consent 🌈” NEEDS TO BE ON A SHIRT 😂
Technically he thought she was dead! Also it was the most mini goodbye peck ever.
@@fabiolagarzacreates yeah, kiss a dead body that’s totally a solid idea
I came down to the comments to say this! Jon and Alan, pleeeease make this a shirt!
@@fabiolagarzacreates her being dead and him kissing her anyway is even weirder🤣
@@monsev.arellano9125 people do that at open casket funerals. It might seem odd, but it was extremely respectful, and they both had begun courting
I have to say since finding this channel, this has been like actual therapy for me. Almost every single video has had something I NEEDED to hear. This channel makes me think critically and consider changing behaviors that have otherwise hurt myself or others, and it’s genuinely like medicine for me. There’s a lesson to hear in every video, not in a preachy, forced, or non relatable way; but it’s casual and relaxed. Having fun watching movies but considering their messages as well, and just talking/joking around without it FEELING like you’re “going to therapy”.
Thank you both, you guys have helped me see more positively and clearly. I’m definitely a happier person after finding Cinema Therapy. ❤
Something it's easy to forget now is that Snow White was one of the first animated feature films EVER. Apparently the Prince was supposed to have a bigger role, but animating two realistically-proportioned humans in the same seen was too hard to do at the time, so he and Snow White couldn't interact much by design.
Yes! Also Walt Disney himself explained he wanted the focus to be about the relationship between Snow White and the dwarves, that's why it's called "Snow White and the seven dwarves" and not, like, "Snow White and the Prince". The Prince himself isn't to be considered a character, he's more of a plot point (so much so that Alan says his name is Florian but it's not quite it, the Studios had in mind a couple of names and yes, Florian was one of them and the most likely to be chosen, but since his role was small and no one in the movie was meant to address him by his name they didn't bother to actually pick one).
I was about to point this out. I wish people would cut Florian more slack. He had some planned scenes of being captured and having to fight to escape and save her. But they literally had to learn how to draw normal humans and it turns out men are harder to draw (which is why Florian has such a baby face) meaning almost all of Florian's scenes had to be cut
I kind of wish he got sequels or spinoffs to give him more of a personality, like Cinderella's prince.
No seriously. People need to back off of Florian. They did genuinely want him to be more in the movie but they couldn’t figure out how to animate him more than they already had. Obviously if it wasn’t the first animated feature film and they had a better understanding of what they would later on, Florian would have played a more active role in the film.
Didn't they trace over live action recorded segments for some human movements that eventually were reused in later movies. I am not saying doing so was easy, but doing that they needed the right things to trace/follow.
I am pretty sure I saw a video or videos somewhere that compared scenes from different Disney films and sometimes showed scenes from older live action shorts or movies that were probably the source of the motion.
I would kill for an entire episode dedicated to dissecting the therapy needs in The Hunchback of Notre Dame. There is SO much to address in that film and its one of my favorites.
Also this format was great and I cant wait to see them look at more couples!
Plus I want to hear them sing along with Dude Man I forgot his name when he sings Hellfire
@@kellygreen7236 Claude frollo it’s my favorite
YES this movie is so underrated
The Hunchback of Notre Dame is my favourite Disney movie. Would love to see a video on it!
This would be an AMAZING video
Naveen and Tiana from “Princess and the Frog” are reasonably positive for Disney.
The ultimate adaptation of “Cinderella” is “Ever After.”
*YES* about"Ever After"!!!!😍💚🧡
Agreed. Ever After is the best version.
Also agreed on princess and the frog.
Naveen and Tiana are one of my favourites!!!!
What about ‘Ella Enchanted’?
Agreed on Ever After. 👍🏻😍
21:53 ive always laughed at the way nala's va delivered that "what?" Sounded absolutely confused
The second Alan said “Marvel bromances” my brain was just immediately “YES, YES, YES YES YES YES, YES!”, that is quite possibly one of the best ideas I have ever heard
Steve and Bucky (James).
I 100% want to see this.
@@Dynwyn honestly Steve and like every other character that isn’t a villain lmao
@@Whale-Shark-Katie Lol yeah, Steve's such a likable guy that somehow mixes into other people's chemistry really well.
@@Пинагод Yup: Steve and Tony, Steve and Bucky, Steve and Sam, Steve and Natasha, all such great relationships. Though some other of my personal favorite Marvel bromances not involving Steve would be Bucky and Sam, Nat and Clint, Tony and Bruce, Clint and Wanda, and of course Thor and Loki.
I would love to see your assessment of Howl's Moving Castle. There's so many great character dives in it, from Sophie and Howl's issues of self worth and self image, to the growth of forgiveness and found family.
Yes please!
agreed! i'd love if they ever did a video on that movie
YES I would love to see this, Howl and Sophie have such a beautiful and interesting relationship about growth and love vs possession and seeing past looks and insecurities. That movie is genuinely one of the most romantic movies of all time, its utterly beautiful.
Yes please!!!
There is so much to unpack and these guys would do a bang-up job!
🖤💜💙💚💙💜🖤
Much love!!
Yes! I agree!
The last relationship reminds me of myself with my current bf. We seem to compliment each other and try to bring out the best. His family notices he is much happier. I feel more stable. I do woodworking and other types of artwork, and he likes metalworking so our interests intertwine a lot and we have a lot of the same goals
About Jasmine: she was always stuck at the palace and wanted to see the outside world for a change. Aladdin is given her that. It's not about having a car ride. It's about giving her what she wanted. To see the outside world.
They also completely misrepresented the reason he reinvents himself as a royal (or I completely misremember that part). He doesn't do that to impress her particularly, he probably got that she was into him right away. He does that because she isn't allowed to marry anyone who isn't royal. That's also the reason he so desperately tries to keep that facade on, because even if she loves the real him, they both would get in big trouble
Then why couldn't he tell her on the rooftop after the magic carpet ride that he's the guy from the market and made himself a prince for her? He uses a real problem to hide his insecurity. Plus, they're kinda going through the relatable parts of the relationships that could be applied to real situations. I'm not sure when the last time you had to pretend to be royalty was, but I bet you can name the last time you gave in to an insecurity.
@@doomse150 Precisely. Aladdin and Jasmine were both lucky that Sultan gave a dame about how his daughter felt and loved Aladdin like a son, and in true Disney ending style changed the law to "the princess shall marry whomever she deams worthy" making it completely her choice and she chose Aladdin.
*Aladdin is giving her that.
The part where he's describing Jasmine to the genie is so cute, he starts out with all the things he likes about her personality and then for her beauty he talks about her eyes 😭🥰
In The Emperor's New Groove, I love Pacha's marriage. They're fantastic together and with their kids, and I love watching their interactions. I can absolutely see their marriage working.
Only lament is that Pacha withholds information from her to try to protect her, but really it's just creating a problem for later when the emperor's troops show up to remove everyone.
That movie is so good, and their relationship is beautiful, too!!!
i love every characters in the emperor new groove.
Omg I’d love for their relationship to be addressed
Yeah pacha is really cool, but with Disney, the relationships aren’t realistic
Hey, he's dealing with a talking llama, guy's probably stressed lmfao. There's also a factor of wanting to not disappoint his family seeing how happy they are, because he wants them to stay happy. It's shown when he has to travel back and tell them about Kuzco's initial decision of destroying their house, he had to take time before announcing his arrival since he can't just do it.
I feel Hercules and Meg would be a good one, as it shows Meg being afraid to start a new relationship after being hurt by her previous boyfriend. There’s a whole song about it.
Omfg I wish they did Meg and Hercules they're one of my favourites
I enjoyed how ironic it was in the end.
With Meg being on the other side of the spectrum and breaking someone else's heart.
And it is 🔥
Don't forget the episode of the show where they meet and lose their memory due to magic water.
But if we're considering real life standards like they're doing on these videos, Meg tricked Hercules almost all of the movie. She was trapped in Hades'contract true, but Hercules almost loses everything because of her. That's not healthy at all.
Omg I was roaring with laughter when you guys were talking about how most of the time the relationship is just hanging out, pushing eachother into bushes 😂 my boyfriend does this to me and I can’t believe that Alan and his wife have that dynamic too. Amazing 🤣
Would love to hear your take on Hercules and Megera's relationship. I love them but there are some real sticking points. I love the acceptance of Meg from Hercules' parents at the end even though she didn't walk the straight and narrow
I mean, their son LITERALLY died for her (he got better), their hands were tied.
@@ccggenius I read "He got better" in the voice from The Holy Grail.
@@MonkeyJedi99 wouldn't it be surprised if that was the reference, but same xD
well, not like his dad is that good of a guy
@@gamerman782 and if ‘his’ is referring to Hercules then his mum isn’t the best either
My suggestions:
- Hercules and Megara
- Pocahontas and John Smith
- Parents from Turning Red
- The Incredibles
- Ariel and Prince Eric
- Jack Skellington and Sally
Can't wait to see this turn into a series 👀👀👀
I have kind of a hard time with Ariel and Eric because they know each other for such a short time and obviously have trouble communicating much.
Jack and Sally are kind of interesting because while they don't actually interact a _ton_ in the movie, their interactions do imply that they've been friends for a while already. And you can tell that they know each other and feel comfortable around each other.
Was John Smith the first John she met or the second one? I would like to know, shat they think about Pocahontas 2. :)
Pocahontas and John Smith together is painfully toxic. Not in the context of the movie. They were real life people and Pocahontas was a kid when she met John, who was already an adult. But Disney felt like they have to change it to put a romance story in the movie which shows how disrespectful they are.
Turning Red isn't Disney tho
Giselle and Robert from Enchanted
Look, I am all for having a healthy relationship, but when it comes to Cinderella I don't blame her for falling for the first guy that came along and showed her sweet emotions. She has been a servant in her own home for probably more than a decade. Anything feels better than that. And to her credit she didn't even know he was a prince.
Cinderella never asked for a man, she asked for a dress and a night out.
Agreed but the movie tries to paint it as a romantic love story- thats the problem
I kinda wished the sequel deepened their relationship more, sure it fleshed out the individual characters; Cinderella, Prince Charming, and even Anastasia, but Cinderella and the Prince were barely together the entire movie that there wasn't any relationship development between them.
More like she see him as her ticket for happy end to take her away from that place.
I would love to see a ranking of the Cinderella-esque movies (ie Ever After, Ella Enchanted, Anastasia, etc)
I just realized something about Aladdin. Every single main character is ‘trapped’ in their own way. Aladdin was trapped in poverty and couldn’t escape from it. Jasmine was trapped in rules and laws that shackled and dictated her life and fate. Genie was literally trapped inside a lamp for his entire life. The Sultan was trapped under Jafar’s spell, illusions, lies, and deceptions. Finally, Jafar gets trapped inside the lamp that he created out of his own evil actions, and because of that, everyone is set free from him.
Prince Florian was supposed to have more screen time by himself and with Snow White. However, this was when frames were hand-drawn so they decided to cut out most of the ideas for his scenes because it was just too much to draw and incorporate into the story. So, we got a very very simplistic story of boy meets girl, boy gets girl, and they lived happily ever after.
He also has context though of what happened per the dwarves didn't he? Cause the dwarves were there when he met her dead.
Yeah and I remember they struggled to draw man back then
it was also the first full length animated feature film and was released during The Great Depression. Pretty sure Disney like...took a second mortgage on his house or some shit to finish it....so...that might have influenced that as well.
Well kissing a dead person goodbye with no expectations is not an unusual thing. The dead aren't supposed to react or wake up though.
All this becomes irrelevant when you find out their aged 💀
Snow White 14, Prince Florian 31
As for favourite animated couple, my number one is hands down Hiccup and Astrid from "How to train your dragon" trilogy. Nothing is pushed there, nothing forced down our throat - their relationship really makes sense, they have a strong bond, they feel comfortable around each other. I just love them.
i love them too! did you ever watch the netflix series "race to dragons edge" if not its a whole series that takes place between movies 1 and 2 and adds a whole lot of neat character development and has its entire plot line that kind of leads into movie 2! it has great long term development for hiccup and astrid :)
@@xashhes yes, i watched the series because of Hiccup and Astrid 😀 I found out there were more scenes with them so i watched the whole thing.
i love that we got to see it develop throughout the series
@@xashhes I've only seen the first movie, should I watch the show before watching the second one?
@@jennyparsons8076 up to you! the show wasnt created until after the first two movies came out so its okay if you want to watch the movies first and then have a nice callback in the show :) they won't spoil each others plot lines
I mean, best relationship in ALL of media is still Gomez and Morticia. The unbridled support and acceptance and love towards each other can never be beat. They are THE ideal couple
They did one on Morticia and Gomez and it broke down how they were so good together.
@@Kayjee17 Oh yeah saw that one already. Just reiterating :D
Most definitely they’re the best
I remember being a really really little kid and thinking that snow and the prince already knew each other and that they had been secretly meeting for a long time. I had asked my mom if there was another movie where they were friends. I still love the move I know now they don’t meet much but it’s still a cute movie and ground breaking for animated moves 🥰 it’d be cool if there was a better romance movie for them!
I thought this too when I was a kid. I thought she ran away because she was wearing the “ugly clothes” and she didn’t want him to see her in them. But he started singing to her to show he doesn’t care what she dresses like lol. So I always thought they knew each other 😅.
I always loved how Roger and Jessica Rabbit were with each other. His sheer and utter obliviousness to her appearance and her looking past his A -list status to appreciate his sense of humor ( "he makes me laugh") gave the impression that they understood each other in an environment where everyone projected onto them.
That's . . . surprisingly, really sweet. I'd never thought about them in those terms before.
Yeah those two have a great relationship! :D
That's what I've been trying to say. Staying kind and fortuitous in an environment like that takes a lot. She didn't even desire revenge she just continued looking towards the future leaving her stepmother and siblings to suffer from their own karma. That takes alot.
I’d love to see Milo and Kida from Atlantis, love that movie, and their relationship seems pretty solid. Another one I would love to see is the friendship relationship between Pacha and Emperor Kuzsco from Emperors New Groove. Or just a whole video about the characters from Emperors New Groove.
Patcha and his wife seem like a pretty awesome couple as well 😁❤️
If you're going to do Milo and Kida from Atlantis, you may as well do Daniel Jackson and Sha're from Stargate while you're at it.
@@Tzarina8472 while I love both of those shows, I ment Atlantis: The Lost Empire, the Disney movie, not Atlantis the spinoff Stargate TV show.
Same! A lot of people always forget Atlantis the Lost Empire, and they’re actually my second favorite Disney couple after Pocahontas and John Smith and Rapunzel and Flynn Rider
for anyone who’s curious Tangled has a series called Tangled Ever After that is like three seasons long. Rapunzel and Eugene actually have the sweetest relationship ever. btw there’s another mini movie that’s like 59 minutes long, it’s how Rapunzel got her hair back. totally worth watching
Tangled
Tangled before ever after
Tangled the animated series
Tangled short clips
Tangled ever after
In case anyone needs the order of things
Thank you so much😁 Do you know where I can watch them?
@@XBlackRoseAlchemistX thank you
@@honeyvici5045 Disney plus is the only place some of them are available :-(
It's a fairly minor part of the movie but I really like the relationship between delbert and amelia in treasure planet. Its a little similar to wreck it Ralph in that amelia is tough and no nonsense while delbert is a bit of a goof. But over the course of the movie she comes to see and appreciate the doctors intelligence, integrity and surprising courage when shit really hits the fan. Likewise amelia starts to show more vulnerability as the story progresses, she shows genuine concern for her crew and even when injured tries to keep things organised and reassure the people around her. Them ultimately falling for each other feels like a natural progression
Yes! They were so fun! And it was such a surprise for them both I imagine.
I want to see the relationships in Treasure Planet. Also Mulan, because a girl dressed as a guy making a (supposedly) very straight guy question his own sexuality will never not be amusing.
Yes. It's the best. Unparalleled ✨✨✨😌😌😌😌🤧🤧😫😫😫😫
A woman who is dressed as a man and pretending to be a man is still a woman. The male protagonist in Mulan is a straight character.
@@proudatheist2042I think their point was that Shang thought of Mulan as a man before she revealed herself as a woman and it’s hinted that he had feelings for her beforehand as well
Just my assumption, don’t come at me for this 🤷
@@belliepuff Yep, that was my point.
@@proudatheist2042 Well isn't this quite the knee-jerk reaction we've got here.
Eugene doesn't feel like the bad boy changing for a girl trope because he isn't really a bad boy. He's trying to be, and he's even doing some bad things but he is having to fight against his true character when doing those things which is why it doesn't feel like the trope. Because he isn't changing for her, he's allowing himself to just be himself around her and letting his walls and armor down.
That's actually a good point. He's playing a role to get rich so he can have the life of his fictional idol from when he was a kid.
Yes I was hoping they would make this point too! Well said.
I just wanna throw in Quasi Modo, Esmeralda and Phoebus for having like the most nontoxic resolution of a love triangle/unrequited love I’ve seen in a movie. Quasi wanted Esmeralda to be happy in spite of his love for her, and he no longer felt the need to idolize her and depend on her affection since he had come to gain the acceptance of those around him. He was happy to see that she was happy, and he was more than elated to still be friends with her, the one who had given him his first experience of genuine human compassion
Thing is, that’s a super sweet ending. However, from a pretty superficial glance it’s hard for the audience (ESPECIALLY kids) not to feel like Quasi got “slighted” (not saying that’s in any way justified, but it IS a common reaction). So, the way Quasi handles it without any sort of pettiness or bitterness sets a great character example on a moral point Disney Media doesn’t often address, by combatting a somewhat unchallenged idea of “entitlement to sexual love” you see in a lot of media
You also see the contrast of the feelings the different men have for her. Frollo let his passion and feelings get out of control to the point of committing horrible crimes. Phoebus learned from her and changed his ways, but he still respected her and would have let her go. Quasi loved her, but as you said, he recognized that she was free to be with whomever she loved and he accepted it. He never threatened or pressured her. It shows that we have total control over how we act.
What I also love about the resolution of that love triangle is that not only does Quasimodo accept that Esmeralda loves someone else, but he ends up genuinely caring about that person as well - Phoebus and and Quasi's friendship was very sweet!
Right I think how they handled this situation is one reason why this is my favorite Disney movie. Also with the audience feeling that Quasi deserved Esmeralda for saving her life is a toxic mindset. Just because you saved someone it doesn’t mean that you are entitled to them as a romantic partner. I love that Quasi was like I accept that you don’t like me on that way and I’m just happy that you’re happy. That was a big part of his arc
@00ammy00 Ya that as well. Their friendship is wonderful
He is also best friend to Emeralda and Phoebus's son
When they were talking about Simba and Nala it reminded my of one thing Lorelai said to Rory (from Gilmore Girls). “You don’t want to be in the business of changing somebody”
Belle and Beast from the original animation would be interesting. Beast has massive anger issues, almost abusive tendencies, but he recognises that he's got a problem he just doesn't know how to fix it because he's so depressed.
People dont talk about how depression cna make you so angry. You feel angry because you're stuck and can't change.
Then Belle comes along, rightfully runs away when she's scared and after Beast saves her, she saves him back, and they have a feisty heart to heart about boundaries. She brings out some of the best in him, and he realises his issues with his selfishness and anger will only drive people away and that he learns from Belle that being kind and gentle without asking anything in return is the key to being a good person.
Hense the fact he lets her go, when he knows she may never, ever come back and he will be stuck forever as a monster. He gives up his chance of freedom by putting her needs first. He comes a heck of a long way in the film to when he first started and the audience believe that their relationship can work over 90 minutes of runtime. That's incredible!
Yes, thank you. It's good to see someone else who doesn't think that Beauty and the Beast is a case of Stockholm syndrome.
@@Ned-nw6ge
Well... it is, but only in that they are locked up together long enough to get to know each other better. Liking what they see, fall in love. Usually it's not a healthy dynamic when two (or more) people are locked up together. One has all the power, and the other 'falls in love' with the powerful one to make the choices they have to accept more palatable.
@@cchastant8251 I don't think that that's the case with Beauty and the Beast though. Belle fell in love with Beast because of his change in behavior, and it made her see past his appearance. Beast fell for Belle once he saw that she was beginning to look past his appearance. It was far from love at first sight; Beast thought Belle was beautiful but unreachable because he thought she'd never see him as anything but a monster. And in the beginning, that was all that Belle saw in him until he saved her life.
Plus, if Belle pretended to love Beast just because he had control over her, she would've left him as soon as he made the choice to set her free.
They actually did a deep dive vid into Beauty and the Beast all its own, so go watch it! :D
Yes this, sadly we aren't getting Disney couples like them anymore or ... any at all. I loved how he realise this mistakes and flaws, worked on them then decided to let her go.
Absolutely Dutchess and O'Malley. Aristocats is one of my favorite Disney movies and it's highly underrated and forgotten about. Along with Milo and Kida and Meg and Hercules. I'd also love an episode on Enchanted. I think there's a lot to unpack there.
Yes! Enchanted would be soooo good. Though I almost think Enchanted would need an episode all to itself haha
Aristocats has everything I absolutely love. Cats, wonderful music and an amazing story! ☺️
It's a shame it gets forgotten, it needs more recognition.
Yes , Please do Enchanted @Cinema Therapy
@@haylsuri That's why I edited my response and specified "an episode", haha. I absolutely agree with you!
Milo and Kida yes! Atlantis is one of the forgotten Disney gems! I actually really liked they didn’t race into a relationship like most couples considering their objective was to restore Atlantis
The Encanto marriages (Pepa&Felix, Julieta&Agustin, Alma&Pedro) would be a very interesting one to psychoanalyze and consider, they are all so healthy in their unique ways
I wouldn't call Pepa and Felix healthy, she's very dismissive of him and self focused, and her gift kind of just lets her get away from it. The other two couples are good though.
@@aslprincess3944 literally where?? Pepa has her clear flaws but regardless Felix supports her in any way he can and she's grateful for him. Just because she doesn't outright state it every time doesn't mean she's dismissive of him. It also doesn't help that the movie focused mostly on Mirabel's immediate family, and not her extended one (sans Abuela)
@@Cup0fCocoa I mean it's not a big enough part of the movie to really be worth arguing about
But my rule with side relationships is that if we don't see it, as far as we know it's not there.
I didn't see her ever be nice to him. So I have nothing to go on.
Sure he's nice to her, but that's one sided.
If you prefer to like it then fine, the movie isn't really about them.
I'd throw in Dolores and Mariano as well, even if they were only an official couple in the last 10 minutes of the film
@@aetheremployeesabrina True, but let's be honest--Dolores on her own could be weeks of cinema therapy, with that "gift".
I'd be a nutcase if I had it for a month.
People today like to mock the early Disney princess couples for falling in love at first sight and accuse them of getting married too quickly.
(But we don't see Snow White's and Florian's wedding or Aurora's and Philip's wedding, so we don’t know when they happened.)
However, that is actually ignoring the historical nuances behind these stories.
Up until the first half of the 20th century, royal couples didn't usually know each other that well before they got married.
Quick engagements were indeed common in real life in these circles and were just seen as a prince and a princess making a good match.
And I guess that within these movies, the love at first sight trope is just a fairytale flavoring to let us know that these two are the one for each other.
Besides, my theory is that Snow White and Florian had met each other before the "I'm Wishing/One Song" scene.
Cinderella had to get away from her abusive stepmother, while the prince had to get his father to stop pestering him about grandkids.
So it hardly seemed like a bad idea to them to get married anyway.
Aurora and Philip were already betrothed since they were just small children, and Aurora was only planning a date and not a wedding when they had just met.
Ariel and Eric defeated Ursula together and proved to be a good match for each other.
But you will find that most later Disney couples will take it slower because of changing values among the writers and the audience, which is totally fine.
What I really hate though is how movies like "Enchanted" and "Frozen" mocked the old Disney romances without even making an attempt to understand them.
That is really unnecessary, especially as Disney had been modernized already during the Renaissance before those movies were made...
We’re not ranking the relationships based on HISTORICAL ACCURACY. We’re ranking them based on HEALTHY modern day values, bc these silly fairytale romances are dangerous for people today, who are at a higher risk of being hurt by the red flags of bad relationships (Florien, a fucking 30 YEAR OLD MAN, and Snow White, who was 14). You really need to chill out with all these comments, defending your pedophilia and disgusting views on child marriage. Stop making it sound normal, it’s not.
I'd like to see Ariel's relationship in The Little Mermaid ranked. Especially because of the weird circumstances.
RE Cinderella's shoes, since it's pre industrial revolution(ish) I assumed that the shoe wasn't just size, but specifically molded to the shape of her feet. So it would taper perfectly, and go around the contours of Cinderella's feet in a way it wouldn't for other people of the same size, especially if she had a wonky toe or something.
This house is craving someone not saying "Ursula das right, thought, he fell for a girl who was mute and good-looking"
@@debymello4756 Prince Eric fell for a girl who was interesting and clearly interesting. *Mutters about how being mute shouldn't mean a person can't find love*
@@Windona Exacly! But they walk hand-in-hand with the "Ariel threw her life away for a man" crowd
Your point about Cinderella's slippers makes total sense. They were made for her feet--out of an inflexible material! with magic!! But the idea that the fairytale happily-ever-after is thanks to Cinderella's wonky pinky toe makes me crack up. Thank you for the laugh!
I think in some versions Cinderella's feet are unusually tiny too, like in ella enchanted she's part fairy so she has tiny feet. also Ariel didn't want to be human for a man, Ursula tied her humanity to prince Eric but Ariel wanted to be human long before she met him, she wanted freedom.
Honestly, a "Ranking Relationships in..." series sounds like a fun idea, I say crack on with it guys.
Oh ho! Please do take a look at Wall-e. It's one of my all time favorites where so much is said through very little dialog.
Yes please! Wall-e and eve's relationship is so cute, and they are little robots who barely say anything. That movie is a masterpiece
I loved wall-e as a kid but when I watched it as an adult, the parts where wall-e takes “unconscious” eve to dates and tries to hold her hand, etc., felt a bit creepy. So I’m curious about their take on this too.
Yes for f**ks sake do wall-e please!! So good! So strange! Analyze it for meeeee!!!!!
@@saewonpark1505 exactly, looking back… kind of feel like their relationship only worked because they were the only beings on earth (or so they thought).
@@saewonpark1505 I’d give him a pass. He only really tried to hold her hand, and he spent like the most of her sleep mode trying to wake her up. The whole thing was pretty innocent, especially considering WALL·E has a very childlike view on friendships and relationships due to his isolation.
"A fake reputation is all a man has." *slow claps*
I ADORE Rapunzel and Eugene’s relationship in the movie. It’s really realistic to each of their goals and nothing feels out of place in terms of characterization.
Eugene reluctantly agrees to take her to see the lights, but once he realizes how naive she is he tries to scare her away from the real world like Mother Gothel does. Her real personality shines when she turns all these criminals and thugs into singing about what they really want and when they’re ultimately faced with peril, Eugene just doesn’t ditch her to run by himself. I’d argue that while the crown was still his goal, his true nature isn’t one of crime. He just wants to feel as cool as Flynn Ryder. So after working together and ultimately saving each other, he decides to be vulnerable with who he is because as I said, it’s not in his true nature to want to do all the bad stuff he’s doing. He’s secretly longing for something and maybe thinks that thievery will fulfill that longing, but what he truly wants is someone to see him for who he truly is. Someone who appreciates him for being Eugene. Who embraces the fact that he can never be as charming as a book character, yet still likes him. It’s only then does he realize that there is mutual respect and he no longer wants to use her for personal gain. He wants to give up his selfish desire and just make him happy, because seeing the person who truly understands him happy is worth more than any crown. Things turn sideways and she sacrifices herself for him, but he proves that he sees the real HER by cutting her hair off. She’s more than a magical girl and he’s more than an orphan boy. They aren’t defined by their pasts but they can love each other no matter how they appear or act.
Also the line: “You were my new dream” “You were mine too” will NEVER not make me cry.
Anyways, thanks for coming to my TEDtalk.
I agree! It's honestly one of the first Disney movies where I just fell in love with the romantic interest. Flynn has so much personality.
wow, that was... so beautifully explained!
Not to mention the series?? They get so much development and have such realistic conflicts, it's amazing.
Wow you really put your brain into this comment
Well said and I agree 👍🏾
2nd favorite Disney movie! Rapunzel and Flynn Rider are undoubtedly the most beautiful couple ever
I would kind of be interested to see them talk about the more platonic relationships. Like Tina and Charlotte. I think it'd be quite interesting because sometimes friends can help you through tough family issues, romantic issues, and life issues in general. Bad/toxic friends can definitely cause more harm and keep you in terrible situations in various ways. So I think that would be interesting.
I would be interested in seeing a video on sibling relationships. As a parent, I’m interested in exploring how healthy sibling relationships can be cultivated, and what are some common sibling challenges and how to navigate them.
Agreed as a older sibling
Seconded! My husband and I are both only children, and it can get complicated for us to navigate our kids relationship with each other. We have little context, I’d love a video on that!
Right out of the gate: I have a great relationship with my younger brother. We always had, but especially now in adulthood. Our parents are both only children and sometimes they don't truly understand how a sibling relationship works, however they did their fair share in building it by reinforcing the idea that we should always be able to count on one another and letting us fight our stupid little fights when we were kids without interfering too much. I honestly think a healthy sibling relationship builds itself naturally.
Btw well portrayed sibling relationships are fairly hard to find in movies and TV shows.
Small tip, if your kids argue a lot don't panic or blame yourself, they'll calm down soon enough
Seconded as someone who wants to be a parent but also has a very strained sibling relationship with my brother
It should have been mentioned that Snow White was the very FIRST full length animated picture, they were still figuring out how to animate male figures. The Prince originally had way more scenes story boarded but it was too difficult to accomplish. There are no other Disney movies which had these challenges to face when developing their main character's relationships and although I agree with the ranking, I believe this movie should have been credited more. The same with Cinderella, 1950 was a much different time for movies and animation.
One thing that’s great about Rapunzel and Eugene is that their relationship is depicted as very healthy in the series. It takes 3 years (and multiple failed proposals) for them to decide to get married, throughout the series they communicate, and though they have a few trials as a couple, they always own up to and apologize for their mistakes, and they grow in their love and trust of each other.
I overall enjoyed TTS, but sometimes it felt like Eugene was just straight up sidelined for Cass. A real shame. Really felt like it was both fighting for Rapunzel’s attention rather than it being a trio of close friends. Like Luke, Leia and Han
@@howdoichangemyusername9802 I get what you're saying, but I also felt like that was what their character dynamic was intended to be too (as in fighting for the attention of their best friend and partner respectively). I still wish we saw more of him though.
@@Molly-tv5sv maybe. But I still wish it could’ve just been a trio of best friends going around the world. Makes me wish we got more Eugene and Cass too since their dynamic is really special too considering Eugene was practically an enemy to Corona while Cass’s dad was the captain and now they have something in common with being Rapunzel’s closest friends.
I think an episode they could’ve changed up was the one that showed Rapunzel and Cass’s origins and make it about all 3. Eugene and Rapunzel are celebrating there 1 month anniversary and because it’s only been a month Corona is still wary of Eugene. Meanwhile Cass already friends with Rapunzel warns her that Eugene is using her. Eugene is later arrested for a crime and it’s up to Rapunzel to free him with Cass coming along. Eventually Rapunzel isn’t able to come up with the evidence he’s innocent but still believes he is and Cass is actually the one who manages to find it solidifying the three’s relationship and it ends with Rapunzel deciding to make a picture that shows all 3.
They turned Rapunzel into the worst and most toxic girlfriend ever to Flynn! She always lets Cassandra or anyone else always insult him while just standing there without saying a word, keeps secrets from him, draws his face on a punching bag just for Cassandra and never even apologizes for it, travels back in time to fix his personality, ignores him on the day of hearts and rejects his proposals several times even though in the movie she wanted to give up everything just to save him at the end, are you kidding me? This seems so out of character for her! And this whole rejecting marriage plotline is just a sign that they don't fit together and such a relationship could never work in real life and we shouldn't teach kids that it could, then little girls will just expect to much and end up in a divorce later in life! This just couldn't work! No self respecting man would put up with being rejected twice or would wait years to be able to truly be together with a girl if he really wants to marry her. And it just couldn't work if one person wants to get married and the other doesn't because then one person would always have to give in and in the series Flynn always has to give in, Rapunzel never does. And this just isn't fair or healthy! What about his feelings and his wishes? Why do only her feelings and wishes matter? In a healthy love relationship, both opinions should matter! And if they have such different opinions and life goals, then it just couldn't work! And then it would be time to break up! And no man would put up with this in real life unless he is a simp but Flynn wasn't one in the movie and according to his backstory he was an egoistical jerk before he met her, so it would make no sense that he could change from an egoistical player into a simp in such a short time and it's not good that Disney is sending little girls such a message. It's no wonder that so many relationships nowadays don't work out and end in a divorce or a break up if we are teaching women that they should expect that men would always give in and ignore their own wishes and opinions while the women never give them anything in return and instead act like they don't really care about them, put their female best friends always above them, just stand there while they are bullied constantly and reject their proposals several times! And it's so unfair because if the roles were reversed everyone would agree that this is toxic but if a guy is treated like that it's ok. That's such a double standard. And Rapunzel having trauma is no excuse, because he also has trauma. He grew up alone and unloved in an orphanage and on the streets and he always treats her right. This is just unfair and toxic and it angers me that people call this the healthiest relationship in Disney when it's actually toxic and when there are other Disney couples who are very healthy but are always forgotten like Tarzan and Jane or Robin Hood and maid Marian.
And people shouldn't criticize the other princess couples for marrying so early when that is just how things worked back then when the stories are set. If anything they should criticize them for getting together so fast because back then people got engaged quickly after falling in love and there is nothing wrong with being engaged, you could be engaged for months or a year before marrying and they should have just done that with Rapunzel and Flynn. And he didn't even propose after a few days but after a few months, and for this time period that's an equivalent for a few years in our time, so it was the right time and she should have said yes. And the way this scene is framed, it looks like she wanted to say yes but then thought about how her life would be then and if that seems so horrible to her then she shouldn't be with him anymore! Flynn deserves better, he deserves someone who accepts his proposal the first time and who doesn't subconsciously consider marriage to be a trap. Whoever considers marriage to be a prison shouldn't even have a relationship! And two people who have such different wishes and goals just don't fit together and this could never work! And why is marrying framed to be bad even when it's after they know each other for months but sacrificing yourself for the other even when you have only known each other for a few days framed to be alright? If you want such a modern relationship with such problems, then don't bring in a scene in the movie when both are literally willing to give up their lives for each other after having known each other just for such a short time! And if you want to show such a romantic and touching scene where two characters want to give up anything for each other because they love each other so much, then don't ruin it later with such nonsense where she literally rejects promising to stay together with him and only to love him! It seems so ridiculous that they say she wouldn't give up her freedom for him, when she was literally willing to do that for all eternity for him in the movie! It just makes no sense! It makes that whole scene of the movie unbelievable! And why does marrying him even mean she has to give up her freedom??? It only means that if you secretly want to break up or cheat! It's just a promise to only love each other and to not break up anymore! And if she truly loved him, she would want that and not see it as having to give up her freedom! And it's just not healthy that only he wants that and this just wouldn't work and he's always treated so badly and not allowed to have a different opinion! When he has another opinion than her just once, then she travels back in time to fix his personality and people are seriously calling this healthy??? I know that wasn't her intention but she seemed to be perfectly ok with it at the end and acted like it's right that his opinion was altered against his will even though he was right at first! Flynn deserves so much better! It's also cruel that they changed his personality so much and made him so stupid! I refuse to believe the Flynn in the movie and the one in the series are the same character!
It's just so cruel what they did to him just because of modern feminism and because Frozen made more money! But in my opinion they completely destroyed Flynn and their relationship and i wish they never made this stupid series in the first place! The story was over, there was nothing more to tell and they just ruined the beautiful love story of the movie for me and above all sent horrible messages like marrying means giving up your freedom or that a man's opinion shouldn't matter and that he should always have to change his opinions and wishes for his girl while the girl never has to make any compromises and always gets anything she wants and is worshiped all the time by her man while she never gives him anything in return and ignores his feelings and needs because they apparently don't matter! It's just not fair! And I will never forgive them all of that and never stop hating this series and I can only still enjoy the movie if I count this as not canon!
And what infuriates me the most is how the series portrayed the idea of rejecting a marriage proposal and then staying together as if that was somehow a healthy or sensible thing to do. In the time period this story is set, marriage wasn’t just about a wedding ceremony-it was about being together, about having a future, about building a life with someone. Back then, people married young because it was often the only way they could truly be together. Flynn’s proposal in the movie wasn’t rushed-it was a natural progression of their deep love for each other, especially given the era they lived in.
But in the series, the message is clear: marriage is a prison-even if you love someone deeply, even if you’ve been together for months or years. This is a terrible message, and it’s absurd. If you love someone, you want to marry them. You don’t reject them because you feel like it will strip you of your freedom. That’s a red flag that implies you don’t actually see a future with them. Marriage isn’t a trap-it’s a symbol of commitment and love. If someone considers marriage to be a prison, they’re subconsciously thinking about cheating or breaking up. And that’s not love!
The historical inaccuracy is also glaring. Back in the time period this story is set in, marriage was the way for two people to be together. There was no “waiting for a few years to decide” because society didn’t allow that. No one could just live together as a couple back then, especially if you were a princess. The idea that Rapunzel and Flynn should have waited years to get married is ridiculous. If anything, they should have been portrayed as a couple eager to get married as soon as possible because that’s what would have made sense for their time.
And don't get me started on how the series turned Rapunzel into a fighting, modern-day “Mary Sue” girlboss character. In the original fairy tale, Rapunzel was already empowered-she made decisions for herself, let the prince into her tower, and plotted her own escape. The only thing that’s different in the series is that they’ve amped up her physical strength to make her more “modern” and “feminist,” as if it wasn’t already clear from the original that she was no damsel in distress. This change in her character feels unnecessary and forced, and it completely undermines the beauty of the original tale, Petrosinella, where her love for the prince was a true source of freedom, not a burden.
To add to my frustration, I despise how they twisted the whole narrative to fit a “modern feminist” agenda. The original Rapunzel (or Petrosinella, as it’s known in Basile’s version) is a beautiful love story, and Disney’s series ruined that. Rapunzel was a girl in an oppressive situation who found freedom and love in the prince, which was an empowering message. She wasn't just waiting for a man, she was waiting for a future and a life outside the tower-and a marriage to a prince was the way to escape. That was reality for women at the time. So why is that seen as a problem now?
And don’t even get me started on how they made Flynn look. In the series, he’s turned into a completely different character-dumbed down, less charming, and just... wrong. He’s not the clever rogue who stole Rapunzel’s heart in the movie. He’s a different person altogether, and I refuse to believe he’s the same guy. It's honestly insulting to the character development we saw in Tangled.
At the end of the day, I refuse to count the series as canon. It’s not. The original movie is still my canon, and I firmly believe the writers of the original film intended for Rapunzel and Flynn’s story to end right after the movie, with their love continuing in the short film Tangled Ever After. If the series had never happened, their love story would have been perfect, and I could have continued to enjoy the magic of the movie without this unnecessary and frustrating complication.
The series just isn’t believable. It doesn't fit with the tone of the original movie. And it absolutely doesn't fit with the world that the Brothers Grimm or Basile created. If the writers of the fairy Tales saw how the original story was meant to be interpreted, they would be spinning in their graves.
So, for my sanity’s sake, I’ll continue to treat the TV series as non-canon. I’ll take my happily-ever-after with Flynn and Rapunzel from the movie and ignore the disaster that came afterward. Disney really missed the mark here, and I just can’t forgive them for ruining such a beautiful love story. And I hate that they kept the 18th-century setting and ignored the fact that, in their time, marriage was the only way people could be together without being scandalized or ostracized.
Rejecting a proposal back then meant breaking up-period. But the series didn’t care about historical accuracy, and now we’re left with a plot that feels forced and unrealistic.
In the original movie, marriage for Rapunzel wasn’t a trap-it was a symbol of her freedom, a way to be with Flynn on her own terms. But the series turns this concept on its head and portrays marriage as something Rapunzel fears, as if it means she’ll lose her freedom. This portrayal not only feels out of character but also perpetuates a false narrative about what marriage is.
Marriage isn’t a prison-it’s a commitment to someone you love. And if Rapunzel truly loved Flynn, why would she see her future with him as a "trap"? In the movie, she was willing to risk everything for him, including her life. The idea that she would now reject him because marriage seems like a loss of freedom is absurd.
The series not only messes with the romantic narrative but also sends the wrong message about commitment and love. Back in their time, marriage was a celebration of their love, and rejecting that commitment would have meant the relationship was over. If the writers wanted a more modern relationship dynamic, they should have done what Tangled did-celebrate their commitment, not undermine it.
Also, in what world is rejecting a marriage proposal considered healthy or a good thing??????????????? I feel bad for you! You are either in a toxic relationship or will end up in one!!!!!
When I think about FLynn I don't see a person who changes for a woman, I see a person who stopped being himself because he thought he couldn't be himself without getting hurt and then learned he could be himself an sometimes getting hurt is worth it. So she didn't change him. She inspired him and he changed back to himself. Not because of her doing, but because he wanted it. And it wasn't her coming together with him in the hopes he would change, but she comes together with him because he changed before that.
Exactly. For me its like Nick from Zoopolis (except that its not a romantic relation). He is a really good guy, he does not change for his friend, he just stops pretending to be bad.
Eugene and Rapunzel will always be my favorite Disney couple, but that's definitely in large part due to the show. Eugene is such a supportive partner and they communicate so well.
Agreed. Their relationship in the movie is absolutely fresh air. It depicts two flawed characters with hurt history who are inspired to be better, but not out of a need to be loved. The series goes leagues beyond making Eugene the absolute most genuine human being in any Disney property.
What show??
@@AmySkribble the tangled cartoon series on Disney plus. "Rapunzel's tangled adventure" i believe
@@edenfire
Wait, are those the like 5-10 min clips?
@@AmySkribble they did have some shorts that came out yes. But there is a separate listing for a full length cartoon series. Three seasons i believe
Yesss, I love Calhoun with Fix-It Felix. Felix was an OG strong gal appreciator, lol.
In Simba's defense, he never really had much of a chance to work through his trauma. That's why he withdraws so much. Yeah, he's got Timon and Pumbaa, but they can't help him with the guilt he feels.
New drug in jungle.
Hakuna matata, no worries.
Fuel for avoidance behavior.
Timon and Pumba as dealers.
He had PLENTY of time to work through his trauma. He was never TAUGHT how to because Timon and Pumba don't properly go there. Their thinking is if they put broken Simba back together he will go back to Pride Rock. They knowingly manipulate him into staying because they will never have to fear of protection again with Simba by their side. And then they continue brainwashing him into thinking bugs are a healthy diet for young cats.
@@ragingfilthycasual It's a Disney movie bro, why you so pressed 💀
If you're trying to base this on reality, Simba would've died long before he met Timon and Pumbaa. And if he survived, Pumbaa probably would've killed him so that he wouldn't grow up to become a predator.
You're looking for issues where there are none lmao
@@desirosethorne4429 Not pissed. But the OP commented on a LION CUB working through his TRAUMA. Stay on point here if you feel like criticizing.
@@ragingfilthycasual LOL