Why Didn't I Think Of This Before? Genius Idea But Will it Work?
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- Опубликовано: 4 дек 2021
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How many times have I taped or clamped a full sheet of sandpaper down on my bench only to have whatever I'm sanding catch on it and tear it? TOO many times! This simple project puts an end to that by holding the paper on all four edges making it impossible to snag.
--- Rather than non-slip stuff on the bottom I could add a cleat so that I could clamp it in my shoulder vise = better idea.
The framed sanding cushion bonus project was one that I've been meaning to do for several years. It needs a thin layer of rubbery non-slip stuff glued on the top to make it perfect. A layer of carpet underlay would work, but may be heavier than ideal. The foam makes this weigh nothing and that makes it easier and more convenient to use and put away.
--- Even just an old towel laid over the foam would keep the part from moving while it's being sanded. And then the towel would collect a lot of the dust and I could just bring it outdoors and shake it out = better idea!
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Thanks again to Drew for the AWESOME push stick! Check out his RUclips channel: ruclips.net/user/FishersShop
How many times have I taped or clamped a full sheet of sandpaper down on my bench only to have whatever I'm sanding catch on it and tear it? TOO many times! This simple project puts an end to that by holding the paper on all four edges making it impossible to snag.
--- Rather than non-slip stuff on the bottom I could add a cleat so that I could clamp it in my shoulder vise = better idea.
The framed sanding cushion bonus project was one that I've been meaning to do for several years. It needs a thin layer of rubbery non-slip stuff glued on the top to make it perfect. A layer of carpet underlay would work, but may be heavier than ideal. The foam makes this weigh nothing and that makes it easier and more convenient to use and put away.
--- Even just an old towel laid over the foam would keep the part from moving while it's being sanded. And then the towel would collect a lot of the dust and I could just bring it outdoors and shake it out = better idea!
I feel Rex Krueger has a solution somewhere for holding that sanding block tight...
Could you maybe put a piano hinge on one side of the top plate, so you just open it up like a book? That would keep the top plate exactly in place, so you just open, put in the paper, and close and you don't have to try and align it each time.
try using cheap silicone table place mats for a non-slip base
I just saw the preview on my home screen and now I can't see it being done any other way.
Take my cyber appreciation.
Now on to the Video.
Two simple projects to add efficiency to a work space! 👍👍
My husband has discovered the multiple uses of a yoga mat in his workshop...🧘♂️ From saving his knees while installing a tin roof on our chicken run to stablizing small items while sanding. They are made to increase grip (at ones own risk). We also have mesh rubber mats, but the yoga mat is a bit thicker and lies flat with ease. But he hasn't tried yoga yet.🤪
“In the mean time and that could be years”. Good one! 😉😉 Great idea for whole sheet sanding.
John brings the realism to the workshop.
@@nzlemming yeah he does huh
That quote sums me up perfectly.
When temporary things take on a sense of permanence.
@@tobins6800 how many fixes have I got that were “temporary”?
I am a knife maker and Indo use a pane of 1/4” glass with wet and dry sandpaper glued with 3M spray adhesive to do flat sanding. For me this is required for surfaces that need to be dead flat and not slightly tapered at their edges due to the loose sandpaper rising up as I push and pull.
BUT, this solves a very important problem for me in the wood shop as you mentioned and like you, why haven’t I ever thought about this before???
Thank you for your continued content and I really appreciate your video production quality and method. I have poor vision and bad hearing. This is very easy for me to watch and understand! Thank you!!!
Both great ideas John 👍🏻, the face in the hole on the table saw was funny 😂👍🏻.
Who was that?
@@julianugentarchitect I’m curious also.
Looked like Scarlett Johansson
I am going to make your sanding block. Such a great idea! My old yoga mats keep my pieces from sliding. Some yoga mats are stickier than others, but the packaging usually highlights it if they are sticky mats. Also, the stuff to keep rugs from sliding around has good stickiness without needing an adhesive. Thanks for your videos!
My wife was just YESTERDAY saying she was going to throw out her old yoga mat... I was like “Not so fast!” Haha
"...and in the meantime....(and that could be years)..." That's so funny.
Over the years I've learned to enjoy your (subtle) sense of humor ....and I mean it!
Good on you John! Great device. Thanks for sharing this....
Great idea! I think I’ll make one with a steel plate for doing metal parts, I think over time an mdf substrate would wear down, but the same design would work in metal for sure!
Or glass, to which people have been sticking sheets of sandpaper for decades.
Excellent thought, I agree that metal would work well here. I’d do 1/4” aluminum because it’s lighter weight than steel and won’t break like glass will. Plus something sticky on the bottom so it doesn’t move around the bench. Lately I’ve been buying used yoga mats at goodwill and using them to line tool drawers. They would be a good material for the bottom.
@@twestgard2 go to the dollar store and get shelf liners with the soft mesh there very good for holding things in place
Many machinists use a smallish granite surface block for that
@@JohnDoe-rx3vn For sanding and polishing small metal parts I use a Chinchiller, which is a small slab of granite polished on one side sold at pet supply stores. It's meant for keeping small pets cool in summertime. Since the bottom is left rough it stays put fairly well.
The sanding block is really pure genius.
I’ve been using the sanding block technique using spray rubber cement and glueing the sand paper or emery cloth to 3/4” MDF. I have many boards with different grit from 120 to 400. You can put a bench cleat to hook the bench or put it in a vice. I’ve use this technique on all kinds of material wood, plastic metal even glass. The sandpaper and emery cloth have lasted up to a year. To remove the sandpaper I use a heat gun just warm it up a little bit and the paper comes off. I’ve use this technique for over 30 years. I hope this technique help other viewers.
This is why I keep watching you.
John, this is a great idea and I'll be making my own. Just a suggestion - almost everything I use on my bench has a bench-hook hook on the bottom, which I actually clamp in my woodwork vice to hold it steady. I have my grinder, sanding machine sharpening stone setup, engineer's vice, etc mounted on a piece of wood for that purpose. Not to mention my shooting boards etc. That would hold it steady much more than the rubbey stuff on the bottom (which never works well in a woodshop given there's sawdust everywhere that works like talcum powder.
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I kind of feel dumb that I never did that for my pocket hole jig, I have it on a piece of plywood that I then clamp to the bench.... I was SO CLOSE!
Was about to suggest this exact same thing, but figured someone else must have already. So +1!
I was going to suggest making the bottom piece 2 inches wider than the frame to allow a recessed clamping surface.
The bench hook is brilliant; I will combine ideas.
+1 for adding a bench hook, otherwise great simple idea to make an easily interchangeable flat sander.
This is PURE genius! And SO simple.
300 IQ idea, absolutely brilliant.
Idea for the sanding plane - maybe you can attach a piece of wood on the bottom, so you can clamp it in a vice.
Idea for the foam board: spray glue it and adjust the stickiness with sawdust.
Richard: To keep things from moving around, use the dog holes. That's what they're for!
Years ago, Sears sold non-slip router mats. Now I've seen a thinner version at the grocery store as shelf liner. There's a 11"? wide roll for shelves and a roll twice that wide for lining drawers. (I've also seen it at the dollar store.) Works great! I keep a scrap to open the spaghetti sauce bottle. 💖🌞🌵😷
That sanding block is brilliant!
I've been working in wood for more than 50 years and own a working 3500 sf woodshop, and I love watching your videos. Learned more than a few things, too...
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Cool idea! I learned from a Bobby Duke video that 3M sandpaper is adhesive backed that is heat activated. I just lay a flat sheet (or two) on a scrap piece of ply, and hit them with a heat gun, and your auntie is married to Bob.
I like your make-do-with-what-you've-got approach. We don't live in a perfect world.
Rug Gripper Non Slip Rug Pad Underlay for Hardwood Floors Supper Grip Thick Padding Adds Cushion Prevents Sliding Size 2 x10 - you can get from many rug outlets or places like Amazon. Used it for years and been very satisfied with the hold and ability to clean up easily .
simple tools are often shockingly brilliant
Make the bottom board just a little bigger so you have a lip to clamp it down to the bench.
Your second jig,, Tool box liner works great.. Gets dusty after a while, but it can be cleaned.
I’m absolutely gonna 3D print a copy of this for my hobby sanding now thank you
Recently I've started using thin silicone rubber pastry/baking mats as non slip supports for my work, they're inexpensive and available periodically from your favourite four letter German supermarkets.
Is that Scarlett Johansson you have trapped in your table saw? lol
One of those idea that once you see it, you cant believe you haven't already done it. Bravo. Thanks
Should have used pocket holes to mount the foam edge to the frame… 😂
That sanding pad is such a wonderful idea!!!
"In the meantime, and that could be years" I'm glad I'm not the only one.
Saw your little helper there at 00:12. I could have used one of these this weekend. Lots of sanding. This is a great idea.
At last someone addressed the elephant in the room
Great jig, I made something similar years ago. Probably found somekind of inspiration on the RUclipss. The sandpaper folds over a sheet of plywood and is held in place with two wedges (top and bottom). The underside has a block glued to it so you can fix it your workbench.
Sometimes the simplest thing is the most useful. Great idea for the whole sheet sandpaper holder
Love it John! So simple, so effective, the best kind of innovation.
A slight angle on the plunge cut will aid in making the frame engage over the block easier to lock the paper down.
"In the meantime...." hahaha. A lot of my shop TODO's go untouched for years, too!!!
You can also use “temporary fabric spray glue” to hold sandpaper to a sheet of glass, but this requires no cleanup and is cheaper. But the glass/glue trick is nice for longer items (and also where you require flatness, such as planing down cylinder heads).
This kind of reminds me of a crocheting hoop. Great idea!!
Thank you John for posting this.
Great and useful idea John! Thanks!
Cool project John. Thanks for posting.
This is why I am a subscriber! Good presentation. One tip with the sanding pad is to use push pins to keep things from moving.
You could make a router bit which is a shaft with an off centre bearing, then drill a hole the size of the bearing in the back of your sanding block, sit the block on the bearing, turn on the router, and you have a vibrating sander that you can apply workpieces to? Like a large orbital sander board which sits on your router table. Might work, also might overload your router :)
Your saw is looking at me ? At 0:11 someone is looking out from under the throat plate .😂
Oooh... are we getting a 'Lucy' advent calendar easter-egg during December?... love it
That sandpaper holder is a great idea. I haven't got enough space for the other thing.
Love the sanding frame. I tried 4 small eyes on each corner edge of the frame, some non-stretch nylon cord and 4 clamps. It works fine.
I love the simplicity and usefulness. Truly a perfectly useful project
I like it! Nicely thought through...
I'd add a lip on one side of the sandpaper holder to make it hold to the front edge of the workbench like a shooting board. It would keep it in the correct position for the best ergonomics.
Or if you have bench with dog holes, make the outside dimension to fit within a set of doghole stops.
Was thinking the same - you could clamp the lip in the vice to stop it moving backwards as well.
Brilliant solution to a workshop problem.
on the sandpaper jig holder device frame thing you made, you used spray adhesive to attach a black pad, instead use a sheet of 60 grit sandpaper, or even 100 grit for the bottom so it doesn’t move around.
on that lathe sanding panel you used a foam sheet, i was thinking a piece of rubber roofing might slow that movement down more than that foam.
you know you’re not the only one that takes years to get these helpful gadgets done.
i’ve wanted to make that stuff for decades LOL. sometimes it’s seems like a waste of time just making blocks of wood to glue on quarter sheets of sandpaper, but when they’re done, they sure do come in handy
Brilliant and simple. Thanks for sharing.
John, I suggest that drawer pad foamy stuff. It is sticky enough.
What a great idea John!
Good idea John, an improvement to stop the sanding block from moving around would be to screw a small length of wood to the bottom and then clamp it in your bench vice. Have done this myself when sanding concertina end woodwork. This will also allow you to use two hands for superior sanding tech :-)
Hahaha, I absolutely LOVE the little lady face in the finger hole of the zero-clearance insert! Had me laughing for a while! Is that Scarlett Johansson?
Nice idea with the sand paper John! Thanks for sharing it with us!💖👍😎JP
They just keep coming. One great idea after another. The full sheet thingy is super cool. I am considering making a few if these, made up on one monolithic board. Just move down the line while sanding. We are human sanding machines now (he says, in his best robot voice). Haha
Good idea Mark.
Good idea, and I like your wooden clamps 👍🙂
Great idea! If you don't like the paper moving, you could always "shim" it by stacking 2 sheets instead of just one.
You never disappoint with your projects. Very cool idea as for non slippery surface, I'd glue sandpaper on the bottom.
Great idea! I just made one and would change one tiny detail if I had it to do over again. I'd make the 8 x 10 piece about 1/8" oversize in both dimensions. Reason is, if the paper is the least bit oversize, it will fold down and go under the frame piece. This will cause the frame to be a tiny bit proud of the sanding base and catch the workpiece as you sand.
Thanks for a great project. I'm sure it'll be super handy in my shop!
I will be trying this out. Thanks, John!
Genius John. Great share and idea.
Love the sanding pad and will probably make one of my own. If you put some alignment pins in all four corners it will take any guessing out of putting it over the top and will make it even easier :)
I enjoy mowing my lawns now ,I never used to. I wonder if I will get that way about sanding one day
Beautiful. I’ve never used a full sheet for sanding, but after seeing this I’ll start. I’m thinking a few large dowels into bench dog holes or a lip to clamp in my face vice. And make a few for different grits, dowels to stack them (so they all get misplaced together) so a stack of these on the bench and I could go through the grits one after the other. It’s definitely better than clamping my 2.5” sticky back sanding blocks in my vice. Think I’ll still keep sticking a few 2.5” strips to my granite table saw top for quick, dead flat, gouge/chisel/scraper/blade tunes between proper sharpening. Awesome idea, and you’re right-why haven’t any of us done this before?
Cool ideas, John. For smaller, non-woodworking things in the past I've used cell phone dashboard grip stuff as a non-slip material. Might be worth a try.
Yeah, my sister brought me these phone gel anti slides 3x5"- they were promotional things for her work, she got me gobs of them, and I have used them for everything. I have no idea what they are made of, but it is amazing.
I use a rug underlayment, which can also be purchased in smaller pieces used under stair carpet mats.😊
If you live in a warm climate they're not great they break down into a super sticky slime over time. A silicon mat is much better.
You can add a little 1x2 to a bottom edge of the sand paper holder too,like a bench hook.
Thanks for sharing those tips and the make! useful to watch!
Great video! Maybe a recessed french cleat so you could lock the block into something?
Haha, you get a friction fit with the ring because it's sandpaper. That is hilariously efficient!
I hope you're going to be selling these to your fans. :) Yet another genius idea among your many
Thanks for the idea,
I'm just using smooth tile and sticking the sandpaper with double-sided tape. Been using it for sanding wood and sharpening my chisels.
This video has given me an idea of making a base for it so I can clamp it onto my bench
Thanks again!
Skateboard Grip Tape might be a possible candidate to provide a reliably grippy surface. I use it often to keep things from slipping around when lateral pressure is applied to an appliance or something similar. It can be bought in various roll width sizes. The con to this might be the sandpaper surface texture of the grip tape may mark up surfaces that are directly placed facing the tape and moved slightly.
Food for thought, you can get rolls of cork for corkboards for cheap if you are patient and find the most beat up destroyed roll of cork you can find. The ends get chewed up really bad at the stores and eventually they lose their value as a 4ft wide roll. I make my sanding pads out of plywood with cork glued on and I attach the sand paper with spray adhesive works like a charm.
Brilliant, John! Really well done! 😃
I'm definitely going to make one of those!
Stay safe there with your family! 🖖😊
This will change the world !!!
Rubber mesh shelf/drawer liner will solve your movement problem. Also you can pick it up and shake any sawdust off of it, or rinse it off. No need to glue it to anything. Also, if you reduce the dimensions of the cutout to 7" X 9", and make the MDF pad thicker than the ring, your sanding surface will have four 90 degree edges for sanding grooves etc.
What you could try is to cut some slits into the sandingpad. This technic is used on sailingshoes.
So when the shoesoles would silp/deform, the edge of the slit will grab onto the surface.
Great ideas! Thanks, John.
This is brilliant!
Suggestion: make the sheet holder three frames wide and with a lip to clamp down like the rubber mat. Then you could load up course, medium, fine, and cycle individual pieces through.
Looking at the comments I haven't seen anyone suggest taking advantage of benchdog holes. Stub them out as little as like a half inch. You could easily make them removable and even make a cleat one for when you just want to catch the edge of the assembly table or something.
Just my humble $0.02...thanks for all the content, effort, and end of video sound clips
I love your clips and I hope all is well for you and those you love in the new year and years to come.
Thanks again for sharing knowledge with others!
Love it, you could also do it with an extended base and a bench hook that you can clamp into your vise
Or just a couple of shorter cleats on the bottom and drop in the dog holes. No clamping needed.
Caught the face on the table saw in the opening shots! Clever John
Great idea. I will be making one of these for my shop.
Brilliant John!!
Very clever editing putting the woman’s face in the finger hole on your table saw great job John
Thank you for sharing another great idea.
This is a great project, better than most sanding blocks that try to use clamps on every side, making them a pain to change the paper.
3:16 The only change that I would make, I would epoxy a piece of glass or marble tile for the flat surface. Also you can spray a bit of water on the surface an the sand paper will stick like glue.
Just pin the base plate in your bench dogs and wagon vise.
Nice job, I'll try this!
I haven't wood worked since secondary school and I think this is an awesome idea!
By the time the end came, I was like, there's not gonna be much left of that little drawer if he keeps showing us how this works 🤣🤣🤣
Great idea John!
For holding work prices while sanding and routing, I use rubber drawer/ shelf liner.you always have such great ideas!!
Both are really good ideas. I really like the sandpaper hold down. Great stuff as always John! I know what I'm making today.
This is one of your better innovations.
very cool. and I like what you consider to be an acceptable "in the meantime".
Nice idea, I will make it! Thank you very much!
I also do a lot of full and partial sheet sanding, sometimes taping the paper to the bench top. You’re right about catching edges and ripping the sandpaper. Good design. I made some wood rasps using coarse sanding belts and floor sander paper glued to flat boards on 2 sides of square edged lumber. The smooth side can then be used to reference. You can wax the smooth edge of the board and slide it on the bench top to dress an edge or use the sanding board freehand or with a guide. They last a long time with the right kind of sandpaper.
That thin drawer for your drill bits is fantastic. New project :)