Babylon 5 | Season 2: Episode 1 "Points of Departure" | Reaction & Review!
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- Опубликовано: 6 авг 2024
- Babylon 5 | Season 2: Episode 1 "Points of Departure" | Reaction & Review!
Welcome back to yet another reaction to Babylon 5! Today we will be watching Season 2 Episode 1 titled "Points of Departure" - Hope you enjoy!
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0:00 - Intro
2:54 - Reaction
29:09 - Review & Discussion 
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There is a behind the scenes reason for Jeff going to Minbar and it's actually quite a sad story. Michael O'Hare was getting quite unwell towards the midpoint of the season, something that only the creator noticed as he has a background in psychology. O'Hare wanted to see out the season to prevent other people losing their jobs and Joe Straczinsky agreed as long as he got help after it was done. JMS swore to keep the story secret for life but O'Hare said to keep it a secret until he died. He wanted to make sure others knew the story after his own passing to shine a light on mental health issues.
JMS even offered to hold off for a bit in filming to give him time to get some help.
I wouldn't say JMS is the only one who noticed. However, he was the only one who accurately assessed the situation. On his radio show, Jerry Doyle described O'Hare as acting erratic and paranoid. Like there was a morning when Doyle bought everyone breakfast, and O'Hare got offended saying, "You won't control me!" Or another time Doyle drove O'Hare somewhere and O'Hare declared that he didn't wish to speak. Doyle asked if he was mad at him and O'Hare replied, "You talk. I'll listen." Which confused Doyle horribly. In her memoir, Claudia Christian said that O'Hare would try to puff himself up in shots to edge her out of the frame and that he would talk inappropriately to the female PAs. She didn't know about his mental health issues and thought he had been fired for sexual harassment. When asked about him in a fan Q & A for the 20th anniversary, Peter Jurasik simply said, "He had that role of Commander a lot longer than he should have."
It makes me sad. I loved Jeff Sinclair as a kid. More than any other character in movies, television, or books, I wanted to be him. The warm moments between Sinclair and Garibaldi or Sinclair and Ivanova felt so real, but evidently, they were completely fake.
JMS also helped support his family and continued to support him through his dealing with his psychological difficulties. Regardless whatever successes or failures JMS has shown the most important thing of all, he is a good man
@Gimil I did meet and had a long conversation with JMS about writing. That was cool. I don't regret meeting that particular hero... even if he did block me on Twitter for expressing a different opinion than him later.
John Sheridan just might be the greatest captain in all of SciFi. As much as you enjoyed Sinclair with his idealism and PTSD suicidal tendencies, you will love Sheridan with his realism, tactical flair and strategic insight, not to mention mean streak a mile wide and conspiracy theory hobbies.
He's not Kirk, but he's pretty good.
The mean streak only involves Teddy Bears.....
@@miller-joel Sheridan transcended Kirk or any of the other captains.
Sinclair is THE VOICE ...
Hi mate I know you've been a massive fan of Sinclair in season 1. But honestly I guarantee you that Sheridan will grow on you.
If nobody has told you yet the reason Sinclair was removed as a character in B5 was that Michael O'Hare had been suffering a debilitating psychiatric condition during the filming of the first season. He had good days and bad days, but getting the full medical treatment he needed would take much longer than the relatively brief hiatus between seasons. Straczynski offered to shut down production of the series so O'Hare could get the treatment he needed, but O'Hare refused to put the jobs of the hundreds of people involved in the making of the series at risk.
So O'Hare agreed to leave the show.
The truth of this only came out after O'Hare's death as JMS kept O'Hare's issues private. Not even the rest of the cast and crew knew exactly what had gone on with Michael O'Hare as JMS had agreed to keep it private.
JMS promised to take O'Hare's secret to the grave but O'Hare told him at the time that if he passed away before JMS that JMS could tell the story.
JMS honoured O'Hare's wishes and didn't disclose the full story until after Michael O'Hare passed away.
A bit premature don't you think?
@@MrDdaland not really. If the video was set as a premiere it's safe to say he'd already watched it.
@@GodlessScummer Hmmm, must have missed his death scene
@@MrDdaland It's not a secret and not even remotely a spoiler.
Oh, yes, the "Promise Panel" Being there was a great, if sad, convention experience.
Will have to wait to see your take on Sheridan, but just know, give him time. He's different from Sinclair, but also very good in his own different way. For Sinclair fans, it is a big shock, but the change was needed for the sake of Michael O'Hare who was going through all kinds of issues and needed to get care for himself. JMS continued to give support to O'Hare after he was no longer on the show, at least at this point (won't spoil anything and say if it is temporary or not); JMS revealed the whole situation after O'Hare's death, at the behest of O'Hare.
Yes, it is sad what O’Hare was going through.
He did, indeed! I was there in Phoenix with a few hundred other fans when JMS told the full story of Michael O'Hare. The room was silent, and there was hardly a dry eye. A convention experience that I will remember for the rest of my life.
I'm glad you liked your first encounter with John Sheridan.
John "nuke 'em" Sheridan ...
19:10 The thing about human souls being reborn as Minbari is what the Minbari Grey Council believes, not necessarily a fact.
Also, other Minbari do not know about this, specially the warrior caste, who were ordered to surrender just as they were about to win, and they were never told why. Which is a slight source of tension.
John M. Sheridan. Jeffrey M. Sinclair. I guess J. Michael Straczynski liked those initials.
Hah yeah I guess so!
I believe it’s John J Sheridan. And it’s definitely Jeffrey David Sinclair.
@@sdfried4877 Quite right. I had one of those Mandela Effect memories of a certain ursine object with all three initials. Turns out I was mistaken.
@@majkus JMS was just trying not to be too obvious. And then there’s Carolyn Sykes and Catherine Sakai, both of them interstellar prospectors.
Hope you liked the new ship: the Earth Alliance Omega class destroyer. 1,714 metres of death and destruction with 2 squadrons of fighters.
The pronunciation is A-ga-mem-non.
Unfortunately, although he was the captain, Sheridan didn't get to keep it. It dropped him off and left.
Don't worry, you'll see Omegas again.
It’s like the Alexei Leonov, only a lot bigger.
@@sdfried4877 And with weapons.
Three squadrons - not two - I'm pretty sure.
@@chrissonofpear1384 2 according to The Babylon project.
@@sdfried4877 The design is still flawed, because there should be two counter-rotating sections ... or else the central part would start rotating as well ... like a helicopter that lost its tail rotor. You could make one section "to live in" and the other "just MASS to counter the effect".
Losing Jeff was such a punch to the gut. But trust me…give Sheridan a chance. He’ll grow on you 😊 B5 is just heating up!!!
John Sheridan your new favourite character.
"this guy is nowhere near Sinclair" lol.
How long before you take that back I wonder. 😃
So you got answers to several questions, and more questions that need answers. Welcome to Season 2 of Babylon 5. There will be some mediocre episodes and some great ones.
I was in Phoenix when JMS told the fans for the first time what really happened to Michael O'Hare. I will not repeat what others have already told you, but the "Promise Panel" is a must see for long time Babylon 5 fans. Just don't watch it yet, as it contains spoilers. What I can say is that being there with a few hundred other fans was a once-in-a-life-time convention experience. The room was absolutely silent and there was hardly a dry eye when JMS told this. This will stay with me as long as I live.
I think that Sheridan will grow on you. Will we ever see Sinclair again? I can say neither yes nor no, because, you know ... spoilers (in River Song's voice)
Good to see you enjoy so much ...
Be seeing you!
Sinclair, the closed circle, has gone to Minbar. He is the one who was a fave in first season, and then poof, gone with no warning. You just met Sheridan, the one who will be a fave. And Delenn, the one who is a favorite is still around.
Yeah, as much as everyone was sad to see Sinclair go, Sheridan remains one on the best commanders ever put on screen. Interestingly enough, it ended up fitting thematically very well. The time of philosophical idealists has passed with the first season, with the galaxy heading straight into war Sheridan's tactical genius and practical and devious diplomacy are going to carry the day with fireworks.
The story behind Michael O'Hare's departure from the show is extremely sad. He suffered from schizophrenia and by the end of season 1 he could no longer get to work every day. JMS offered to hold the production while O'Hare got treatment, but O'Hare said to carry on.
JMS had a trap door for every character that would allow them to depart the show without too much effect on the overall story, and so O'Hare was written out.
O'Hare does have one more important episode, which he did, but after that his condition worsened. One day he just left his home and didn't come back. He lived on the streets for some time then finally passed away before he was found again.
Give Sheridan a chance. His story is amazing. Glad you’re enjoying the show!
I've never watched your channel before, but this video came up in my recommendations. I'm a fan of B5 from when it was first airing, and it's great to see the show still holds up with new viewers today.
I see other commenters have already explained the behind the scenes reason for Sinclair leaving. You might be interested to know that having worked in TV a while, JMS was ready for unexpected cast changes. Every major character had what he called an "escape hatch", a way to remove them from the show that didn't ruin the overall story. Becoming ambassador to Minbar was Sinclair's escape hatch, allowing him to still be active in the background without actually appearing every week.
I related to your adjustment to the new commander on the show. Losing Sinclair was huge, but Sheridan did begin to win me over by the end of the episode. It was smart of JMS to make Sheridan distinctly different in personality than Sinclair. Sheridan's more brash approach avoids him coming off as a cheap replacement for Jeff. JMS also said having a new commander gave him a chance to adjust the show a little. Sinclair was so wise and patient that JMS sometimes had trouble coming up with stories for him.
I've already gone back to watch your reactions from the beginning, and I'm about to watch Infection. Keep making these reactions, and I will keep watching. I'll try and get to your reactions to The Expanse as well. That is one of my favorite science-fiction shows, along with B5, Farscape, and the original Star Trek.
I was so excited when I heard Bruce Boxleitner was taking over as lead of Babylon 5. I loved him in Scarecrow and Mrs. King. I had been debating on whether I was going to watch season 2 because the 1st season seemed slow. Once I saw the whole series and rewatched season 1, I was able to appreciate it more and see just how much was set up in that season.
In comes Smiling Johnny, time for the 'You´re not my real dad!' phase we all had to go through.
Welcome to Season 2 Jonesey
"Oh, shit" is right. And that won't be the last plot twist.
I beg to differ about Sheridan. I liked Sinclair but I quickly grew to like Sheridan.
Hi Euan! Sinclair leaving was the first (I think) of JMS's 'trapdoors' (plot devices to explain the disappearence of a regular character) in action.
We'll say he was the first character to have their name listed in the opening credits to have the trapdoor pulled. Obviously, Dr Kyle, Lita Alexander, and Laurel Takishima from the Gathering didn't make it to the series, and JMS had big plan for Takishima. The next semi-main character to be replaced was G'Kar's first assistant, whose name escapes me at this moment but they made a joke about her getting spaced, and she was replaced by Na'Toth... who has been recast again starting this season.
One of the things that JMS did was prepare for the replacement of every character/actor if required. Unfortunately it was necessary bringing in Sheridan. You will come to love Sheridan. I remembered Boxleitner from the series The Scarecrow and Mrs. King. He was not a particularly deep character in that show. In this show you will see how good an actor he really is. On another note Bill Mumy (Lenier) did not do this for the money. He was fortunate enough to have parents wise enough to invest his money from Lost In Space so he has no need to work. He did say the makeup process was hell but he gave his word so he stuck it out.
So much goodness awaits you in Season 2!! Love watching your reactions to this amazing show, and am looking forward to all the jaw dropping stuff that is coming your way!
I was wondering how you would take this episode lol.
JMS had 'outs' for all major characters to the plot line in case an actor left the show.
It makes some plot points in earlier episodes look strange.
There are some real life issues why Michael O'Hare was replaced by Bruce Boxleitner. But don't worry, John Sheridan will do the job as commanding officer of Babylon 5 just as good as Jeff Sinclair.
Freakout incoming at… 3… 2… 1.
Since Matej has already told you what I was going to tell you 5 episodes from now, I'll add some information. I was going to wait and not tell you right away. I wanted to let you think on it in suspense. But since he told you, let me add some information about Michael O'hare (Jeffery Sinclair).
JMS basically had to write Michael O'hare off the show permanently because of his PTSD. However, JMS promised he would tell no one the real reason and he would take it to his grave. O'hare passed away from a heart attack in 2012.
During a Comic con in 2013, JMS revealed the truth why O'hare left the cast because of his PTSD health status.
So we did not know this in the 1990s. We just knew that he left the show for amicable reasons, so it wasn't 19 years that fans would be told the truth about leaving.
Unfortunately, the actor who played Sinclair had schizophrenia (I think) The actor was let go but he was helped by the Strazinsky to get help and made a few guest appearances. Unfortunately, he had a relapse later and committed suicide.
My reaction before you corrected yourself, "You can't watch Point of No Return, not yet!"
My only suggestion for the rest of the season's. Don't get to attached to any characters. Every actor/actress had a trap door/exit already written. Just waiting for any reason.
General Haig another fave of the minor characters.
{Spoiler alert} it is a pity that when Haig might have played an even larger role as the leader of a count-coup against a tyrannical regime, his actor was unavailable as he was booked on that other Deep Space franchise to ironically play a military leader of a coup who was trying to create a tyrannical regime.
Its weird... I must be one of the only people who instantly preferred Sheridan over Sinclair, sure it was a bit jarring at the time the show was being broadcast to suddenly have a new Commander after what was for me around a year long break between season 1 and 2 and i didnt really have the internet at that time so I only knew what I saw when I saw it but I never really liked Sinclair much.
The actor had a medical emergency after season one.
Not exactly. He had ongoing mental health issues, and struggled to make it to the end of the first season.
@@miller-joel That is also true but it became emergency level acute between the two episodes.
Skip the intro for a bit.gived away what should have been a surprise.
It gave nothing away.
@@b5stephen She's probably talking about Delenn in the opening credits. But she's 2 months too late.
@@miller-joel Yeah, but he is watching the new digital version which correctly shows Delenn before her change just like in the original broadcast.