Fan Noise / Overheating with Macbook Pro 16" Explained
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- Опубликовано: 17 окт 2024
- *UPDATE*
After watching this video, Apple's Executive Customer Care told me they had shown the video to the engineering team, and it was STILL "expected behaviour". Only conclusion - Apple made a massive error in the design, there is no fix, admitting that would involve a massive recall and losing millions of dollars, so their solution is to just deny it and move on. So disgusted with this company.
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Are you having issues with using an external display with your Macbook pro 16"? You're not the only one. I've made this video to try and explain what I've learned so far. Apologies for repeating myself in the video, but hopefully it makes things clear!
I'm using a Macbook Pro 16" 2019 (Core i9 2.3ghz, 16gb RAM, AMD Radeon 5500M 4GB)
Here's a summary:
Using an external display with the Macbook Pro 16" causes the macbook to become really hot (69 to 75 degrees), and the fans to spin up to 3000rpm and become noisy.
The reason for this is that when you use an external display as well as the laptop display, the power drawn by the DGPU (Dedicated GPU) jumps from 4w to 17w.
Use the laptop display alone (using the DGPU), it only draws around 4w.
If you run a 1080p external display in clamshell mode, again the DGPU only draws 4w
If you run 2 x 1080p external monitors in clamshell mode, the DGPU draws 5w
Open the laptop and it jumps to 19w
So where is this all this extra wattage draw coming from? It seems very clear that it shouldn't be needed to run the two displays, so it suggests a problem. A driver problem perhaps? Come on Apple, please acknowledge that this isn't "expected behaviour" and try to find a solution.
There are plenty of other people with the same issue, and much discussion on the subject at these forum threads:
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P.S. at 7:44 I say the fans will "turn off"... obviously I know the fans are always running, I just mean they will drop back to their default, almost silent speed. Just pre-empting the trolling... :)
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UPDATE:
Soooo... I finally updated to Monterey, and yes, the low power mode does keep the GPU wattage down to manageable levels, which means I can finally use my laptop with the lid open + an external monitor.... BUT... now my previous set-up of using 2 x 1080p monitors, both 60hz, in clamshell mode, no longer works! As I demonstrate in the video, I was getting it down to 4w using the 2 monitors in clamshell mode, but now, unless I enable low power mode, it jumps to 14w. So now I'm forced to use low power mode at all times. That sucks, as sometimes I want that extra power. This was nearly a great new fix, but it's broken my setup which I'm now used to using. Anyone have any idea why it might be doing this?
I'd been waiting for the 14" M1 pro macbook to come out to finally ditch this piece of shit machine, but now it's finally arrived, this laptop has dropped in value to about £1100 on ebay, and I paid £2600 for it. After ebay fees and vat I'll be lucky if I end up with £850 for it... I just can't bring myself to give apple another £1000+ to finally get a working machine.
Thanks a lot for your work and meticulous explanations!
Have you tried using only one external monitor in this setup under Monterey? What is the power draw/heating/fan noise in this situation? I've been reluctant to move from Catalina on my MBP 16 2019, since I expect incompatibility issues with numerous audio plugins in Ableton. But I just bought a nice QuadHD monitor and want to use it without the damn noise and heat. Do I have a chance with Monterey, what do you think? Or it's better to buy keyboard and trackpad to use the laptop in clamshell mode?
@@njee1979 So... it's a bit of a double edged sword I'm afraid! Low Power Mode in Monterey does indeed reign in the wattage consumption of the GPU (as well as the overclocked speed of the CPU). So it will definitely help reduce fan noise when using the laptop open with a second monitor. However, Monterey has also broken whatever happy accident allowed me to use my laptop in clamshell mode with 2 external monitors and only 5w of gpu draw. Now in clamshell mode I'm forced to use LPM otherwise I get 14w of draw. So for me it's actually not really provided a "fix". But for people who couldn't get their external monitors to "work" even in clamshell mode then this is a big improvement. Why don't you do a full time machine backup and then try it out?
@@BillySalisbury thanks! Will try this!
I spent 4200 EUR for this piece of garbage and bc I use it open with an external monitor on Catalina, I have been suffering with that crazy noise and overheating for years! Also, I spent tons of time trying to figure out a fix and based on all the articles I've came across I got to the same conclusion - this problem cannot be solved, because it a huge design mistake! Unbelievable. I would love to migrate to almost silent M1 but I can't as I occasionally need x86 virtualization, so I'm basically stuck with this crap. I'm used to working with a laptop keyboard and display + 1 external monitor, so I don't want to use the clamshell mode. I'm glad you mentioned, that upgrade to Monterey with LP mode enabled could bring some relief. I hope the LP mode is able to keep up with the 4K/60Hz monitor. This would be like the best Christmas present ever because that crazy noise (and overheating) is killing me..
@@marekgrundel Yeah, what a scam eh! Definitely try Monterey and LPM, it will make it bearable for sure :)
Thanks for being the ONLY youtuber telling the truth about this! I've been so frustrated with this $2500 machine overheating! Linus tech tips, iJustine, and other famous tech youtubers have sweeped this under the rug, and misleading people telling them the 16" mac has 'improved thermals'. I am so disgusted by them, they are apple shills! Thanks so much for revealing the real issue!!
That’s so true, after my problems with the 16inch Mac I don’t trust any big “tech reviewers” anymore… iJustine always was a apple fan girl. Linus Tech Tips and MKBHD I always trusted but the more time I spend watching their reviews the more I think that their “non sponsored” reviews are just huge ads for the companies that provide them their products…
@@marcd5838 those guys are promoting Apple for purpose, this is clear. thanks to that receiving many "material" benefits...
We definitely need to promote this video. Apple won't do anything about this issue as long as there is no huge demand from the customers and across the web
**UPDATE**
After watching this video, Apple's Executive Customer Care told me they had shown the video to the engineering team, and it was STILL "expected behaviour". Only conclusion - Apple made a massive error in the design, there is no fix, admitting that would involve a massive recall and losing millions of dollars, so their solution is to just deny it and move on. So disgusted with this company.
Never buy it again.
I agree, this is an engineering design error, but also wondering how Apple is pretending to be oblivious on this issue when we are not the only folks reporting this issue. May be Tim Cook can get this explained in the next meet when a new release happens
kolhero so far I don’t think there’s been a single mention of it in the tech magazines, blogs etc. Only users on forums. Until it generates some bad press Apple will just pretend it doesn’t exist. They’ve done the same before with the many other design faults in MacBooks... I’m tempted to write to some magazines
Having the same issues. Apple support was very rude and interrupted me on the phone call bunch of times. They do not have any appointments for me available at their any store location. Closes one to Houston was in Austin. I'm sending laptop day after tomorrow to their service. Not sure how it will be resolved. But this is so terribly DISGUSTING! I never had such an amount of hate in my life towards anythings. The way how the react, - just gross.
@@arishem555 Yeah it's a disgrace. Good luck with getting it serviced, but if it's the same issue I described then it's very likely they can't do anything about it and eventually will tell you it's "expected behaviour".
We need a petition to fix this freaking issue for the 16" mbpro - spent all that money for just 3-4 hrs of battery life!!??? and im just running FIGMA for UI Design (which is a browser based software)
What I don't get is that all the tech magazine articles are just about how it's the best macbook ever... not seen one article about this issue!
lets do it! im in !
dude.... im thinking on getting the base 16 mbp as a web designer... id use figma, and one 1080p and another 2k monitor... so 2 external momitors for web design..
am I doomed? did they fox this in the meantime?
hows your mbp doing?
@@117Spartain don’t do it. The fan noise is not fun
@@mixxxer didn't :)
my mbp 13 m1 is arriving soon, ill couple it with the dell d6000 dock and use more monitors...
Macbook Pro 16 - almost perfect
Macbook Pro 16 + external monitor - useless
sad
Accurate
Even without external monitor, it can get hot at times. So not almost perfect. It's far from perfect.
Exactly. Trading in for iMac
Throttles even just using the iGpu if you really load the CPU
Have the same issue. Plugging in an external monitor makes my mac sound like a jet engine. Removing the external monitor the fans return eventually to normal speed.
Wow I am so happy I came across this video. I was literally considering the next 16 inch (intel) refresh potentially to be released tomorrow. After seeing so many comments and other customers with the same problem, I think I will hold off.
I’ve been researching this myself. The key issue that istats won’t show you is GPU memory clock speed. This is what is causing the GPU to draw the higher power. This issue isn’t specific to apple either, I have a MacBook Pro 16inch and a razer laptop and it happens on both. The reason for the higher wattage is a mixture of things. It comes down to which GPU you are using, and how many pixels per second the GPU is being required to calculate. The pixels per second has to do with total resolution, refresh rate, and then more obscure timing parameters such as front porch, back porch, blanking intervals, sync width, etc. The values I mentioned are in the EDID of the monitor(s) the gpu is running and all amount to how many pixels per second the GPU must calculate. They call this resultant value the “pixel clock” or “pixel rate” depending where you look. GPU’s all have certain thresholds to pixel clocks and when that threshold gets exceeded the GPU’s memory clock speed will step up to a higher level (this is not linear, it quite literally goes from ~190Mhz to 1400Mhz) and thus a higher power level. This is what you are seeing. The more powerful the GPU, the higher the pixel clock it can run before it jumps up to a higher power requirement. Google “EDID Pixel clock speed and gpu memory clock” or something along those lines. Blur busters, monitorstests, and Reddit are great places to learn about this.
So really, you either increase or resolution, or more refresh rate, or more of any of those other obscure timing parameters defined in a monitor’s edid. If any of those on their own or a combination of them are increased and the pixel clock increases past a specific value defined by the GPU’s architecture, the memory clock shoots up to the next steady state level and so does the power consumption.
So essentially it’s an issue of the entire industry not being transparant, not Apple. The GPU manufactures make it really hard to figure out the supported pixel rates of their chipsets, and the monitor industry doesn’t disclose the timing information in the EDID unless you use programs like “CRU” for windows or SwitchResX for Mac to find out.
@@michaelpasquale3334 Hey Bro, that's really useful info, thanks. Do you have a Macbook Pro 16" experiencing the same problem? I do get that it's a hardware issue due to the power consumption of the gpu jumping up dramatically, but I guess my complaint is that when Apple were designing and testing the components for this model they should have spotted that hooking up an external monitor caused this behaviour and made it pretty much unusable. A couple of people on here have mentioned they were able to get refunds by demonstrating how hard the CPU was throttled when hooked up to 2 x 4k monitors. I can't get a refund as bought through an external reseller, but am close to just selling it, losing £800 (!!), and buying something else. But then the question is: do they even make a Macbook that just works as you would expect it to anymore?
Just to add to that, even using one 1080p monitor causes the power jump if the laptop is open, causing the heat to shoot up etc. My 2012 macbook could handle 2 monitors easily so you'd think the latest most high end machine should be able to do that without even breaking a sweat...
I have a 2019 16” fully loaded paired with 2x LG Ultrafine 4K monitors (from Apple). Exact same issue. Clamshell stays pretty calm but open it up and it’s like an airplane.
I’ve also had extreme slow down while plugged into my monitors and using Zoom and Slack at the same time. The fix there was to disable hardware acceleration in Slack. CPU usage dropped from 90% to 15%. Seems to only happen on the 16” with externals.
Also have had numerous issues with what can only be described as purple artifacts that randomly appear on the screen, especially in browser windows. Typically happens after waking the device from sleep. Reboot is the only way to fix it.
Out of all the Macs I’ve owned since 1996, this is BY FAR the most buggy one (and most expensive). Shame on Apple for denying the issue. It’s all over the web if you look.
Can it be solved if we use 2k monitor instead of 4k?
Thanks for the post Billy. I was having trouble understanding what the issue is with my 16" 2019MBP when its connected to 2 external monitors. After watching your video it aids in identification of the problem though it is sad to see Apple not owning up to its mistakes.
Billy hello, based on your experience. Would you recommend it in 2022 or would choose Air M1 instead ? I have to choose between those 2 and still dont know which direction to go, to be honest with 16 only one thing I'm afraid is fan noise....Some says there is no any issues, some complaining a lot and how to be clever here...Will appreciate any feedback.
Hi Damian, my advice is DO NOT buy the Intel Macbook pro 16! It's dropped that much in price for a reason. Go with whatever M1 machine you can afford. My 14 inch M1 machine is a joy to use after that nightmare 16 inch. It runs cool and silent. From the reviews I watched, the M1 macbook air is also great. Good luck!
@@BillySalisbury thanks a lot Billy, appreciate feedback and will follow it. I will more likely take Air M1 as my first MacBook. All the best !
Having the same problem. 2020 Macbook Pro 16... running hot when peripherals attached to the computer. Also having problems when external SSD disks connected. The situation is critical as I absolutely can't work only using the “Pro” as a laptop. Also going to do the video asI am quite desperate. Waisting time on this stupid issue!
From experience and discussions with Apple techs concerning my 13", 15" and 2X 16" MBP's all with this similar problem, this is ultimately a mix bag of CPU and GPU heat/power issues. For the GPU, the driver is the problem and shouldn't necessitate a "recall" per say, but a decent amount of work to fiddle a new driver GPU driver setup; it hasn't been updated since Catalina on the 15" BTW. The second culprit is also the Intel CPU situation which in time made Apple go its own way and built a new architecture for their products. Bottom line, everything draws too much for the size of the chassis and dumps this on us; the average or not so Apple user. Sucks. Great video, love the details, cheers.
Thanks for that info, I didn’t realise people were having the same problem with other models. I wish I’d held out for the M1 now. Might even give in and sell this pain in the butt machine.
I paid 4k for the best model MacBook Pro 16 inch & I can’t even use an external monitor 😭
welcome to the club :/ My working solution: 2 x 1080p external monitor, clamshell mode with bluetooth keyboard and mouse. Turbo Boost Switcher Pro.
@@BillySalisbury Nice mate, no problems on clamshell mode so far? I may have to do this as well. How about laptop open with Turbo Boost Switcher? Thanks!
Is it fixed now?
@@YarkuMusic not yet :/ 7 months, best mac & i still can't use an external monitor cuzz it over heats :(
Me too... Spent so many hours trying to solve this.
My standard 2020 Intel Macbook 13 (with Intel integrated GPU) hooked up to an Anker USB-C hub to HDMI for one 32inch 4k monitor , always have the CPU fan on it seems even when playing one RUclips video. Today, I downloaded the Macs Fan Control and changed the Control setting and that calmed the fans significantly to be bearable.
I can't hear this video over my fan noise.
I am in Sonoma. Still the same issues. I think, Apple will never fix it.
Having the same problem with my 2020 MacBook Pro 16. Every time I connect my 4k monitor with the laptop open the fans run crazy and it becomes too hot!! Wish I have done a little bit more research before purchasing this laptop.
same here...
there is no such a 2020 MBP16, MBP16 intel is always 2019. The next MBP16 is the new one with m1 max
Are there any Updates yet? I still have the issue when connected to an external Monitor :(. The apple support told me that it is a known issue and they work on it (after talking to a upper manager). He told me that it will get fixed in a update. I hope that he didn't lie.
Could you share more details about his reply?
Looks like he lied... none of the updated has resolved this issue so far.
Lol, sure. Is your machine out of warranty now? Wink wink
Sorry that I didn’t reply sooner. I just used my 3200€ MBP as an overpriced office machine ;). But actually the manager was kinda right. Well 2 years later with MacOS monetary they kinda fixed it when turning on low power mode. But this also only works if you use a 60hz external monitor. (Also your cutting power because of low power mode) The problem is that I use a 100hz external monitor so I still have the overheating problem. Fun fact I tried to ask for the same support guy again (Asked for his name), but another worker told me when I called again that he was ill and I couldn’t speak to him. After that I just gave up after several other workers tried to explain me that a simple SMC reset would solve the problem ….. What could an individual costumer like me even do?🤷🏽♂️ So what’s the conclusion of this problem? I use my Mac as an overpriced Office machine… and still, the fans spin up….
Thank you so much for making this video . I hope Apple do listen and find a solution. I've been waiting to upgrade but this issue is stopping me as i can not use Logic with fans this loud.
Use turbo boost switch to disable turbo boost and also gswitch to select the integrated gpu
@@mionome501 Thank you for the advice. the thing is, i NEED that extra power from the TB for the work i do. Which is why i'm prepared to pay the price Apple charges for this machine to get my work done without any issues.
@@jayson_jay_ TB isn't the biggest problem, it's the GPU taking too much power and causing overheating. GSwitch won't help as external monitors force the GPU on, as does Logic X. The only workaround is clamshell mode and external monitor. I think the 5600M may also work ok, but it's even more expensive than this already super expensive machine!
I do disable TB most of the time though, it's super fast without it. I just enable it if I'm bouncing down a project, rendering video etc. I guess i might enable it if I had so many CPU hungry plugins running that Logic was struggling, but that's not happened yet even with big multi-track recordings and loads of inserts.
@@mionome501 You can't use integrated GPU while using the external monitor.
The best video so far about this really annoying problem. Thank you so much!
One question:
Do you have any experience with sideCar?
Does sideCar cause increased fan noise on the Laptop like the commonly known Mac Book Pro 16 problem when connecting an external monitor?
You're welcome! I don't have a new enough ipad to try sidecar. But I use Duet to achieve a similar result and it doesn't seem to make the GPU wattage jump more than 1 or 2 watts.
i have tried sidecar as well- same fan issue. Apple is not taking the problem too serious . They let me find out for myself what the problem could be for 6 months. The technical supervisors at apple are familiar with the problem. They have no solution and fear that the will have to take back the e-waste from all MBP 2019 16 " i9 customers.
@@Cooperbarns089 thanks a lot for this information. I had thought about buying an ipad to have a noiseless second screen for my MacBook Pro 16, but now I know that it won't work either!
Shit happened when I used my iPad mini to display Sidecar. It does kick off the fan and serious lag after minutes. I use Discord for online class and beside that there are 4 virtual desktops on my MBP16. FYI, i have the base model with 5300M.
Also, another day I use the projector for the meeting, the Macbook became slow and then unresponsive. Frustrated!!! Wtf Apple.
This is the best video I've seen explaining this problem! I was sooo disappointed when I discovered this. I came from a MacBook Pro 2012 and it ran completely quiet with a secondary display (not clamshell mode). I was (and am still not) happy to discover that my new expensive MBP 16" was running the fans like I'm either running a massive video export or hit a massive system crash just by plugging in the very same display! 🤮🤮🤮
I really hope this is fixable, and that Apple will take this on, even though they are moving away from the Intel platform.
Hi there I bought the 16 inch 2,4 and R5500M with 64gb last year to do freelance vfx on it on location but also to use at home as my workstation. I have 2x 4k monitors on it and have been working on it. Since the MacBook makes so much noise I started to use my pimped Mac Pro 5,1. It is even faster than the MacBook Pro. It's simply unacceptable. Watching this video I did not know the performance would be worse with to monitors only the noise. I'll do some more testing. Thanx for this great video btw.
I was facing this issue even after updating to Monterey. I had been connecting the MBP to the monitor with an HDMI cable and Type-C Hub. Recently, I got a USB C to Display Port Cable and the issues have stopped completely.
Thanks for the tip :)
Buying this laptop was the worst financial decision of my life..
3rd world user here, I hate myself to buying this piece of crap with a year of salary
Have you tried better external monitors at least 2K (1440p) or 4K? What cable are you using to connect your external monitors?
@@silver1544 I know, just asked if he has tried
@@silver1544 2k is worse? I was thinking to buy 2k instead of 4k to solve this issue a little bit..
Absolutely ridiculous!! Thanks for doing this video!! Apple should refund us for this.. I also bought a Pro 16 running Logic.. for the price we all paid, it’s unacceptable!
Actually no one wrong or right. At that time (2019 Nov), Apple only can pick intel 14nm and AMD GPU to put inside.....It is just a wrong timing to buy an Intel Mac at that time....
Great video! having exactly the same problem. Turboboost switcher helps a bit, but not much .
But I have one question, what are all the monitoring apps that are used to show the power consumptions and the other metrics?
Same issue here. The app used is called iStat by Bjango
Thanks for the app name@@bloodlustuponme , just installed it. That's a nice tool!
I've got the exact same model you described. I run an LG 32" 4k with the Macbook open and no loud fans or anything. That's running Studio One 5 Pro on the 4k and RUclips on the laptop no issues. The base gets warm but that's it, no crazy fans or anything and it runs smooth as butter. Did they fix this in the latest update maybe???
Hey Bro! No change with any software updates as yet. I'd be really interested to find out a little more about this. What are the exact specs of your machine? When did you buy it? Can you install iStat Menus (pro trial) and check what happens to the Radeon High Side number when you plug in the external monitor? What kind of temps and fan speeds is it hitting when you're working in Studio One on both screens? Much appreciated! :)
That's interesting! I am using an external monitor 1080p with the 2019 MBP 16 and there is fan noise. It's not too crazy when I only browse the web, zoom meeting, which I do most of the time. But I am not too thrilled with the fan noise either. I miss my SP2, very quiet
Hi, I am also having the same issue, by any chance do you got any solutions.
I am using MacBook Pro 2019 16 inch,
2.6 GHz 6-Core intel i7
Memory 16 GB 2667 MHz DDR4
Graphics intel UHD Graphics 630 1536 MB.
Whenever I plugged my Wacom cintiq 16(not the pro) with my mac initially it works fine but after 10-15 minutes it starts lagging and slowly the heat increases.
As soon as I unplugged the cintiq the MacBook became normal in 10 minutes. I checked with apple services there’s no problem with the system, as well as with the Wacom even there’s no problem. I even downgraded my os from MacOS Monterey 12.2.1 to Catalina 10.15.7, keeps happening same problem.
I really don’t know what to do, please guide me if you got suggestions or any solutions regarding this problem.
no fix. But I just update to macOS 12.3 and using Studio Display. I set low power mode and sound is bearable. But I am a very casual user, website, music, movie only....
This is driving me nuts. It’s impossible to use a ‘Pro’ $2600+ laptop with an external monitor. It just throttles so hard with logic open that it’s impossible to even move the mouse cursor. I’ve been scouring the whole internet for solutions but it seems there is no ‘real’ solution, just workarounds. Apple maintaining radio silence and providing no updates on the issue whatsoever. Apple support forums, macrumours forums, AMD forums have thousands of posts regarding this issue. I feel robbed off of thousands of dollars.. and left disillusioned.
Return the machine for a refund... I did that (see my discussion above). I had my machine for 10 months and got a full refund (that I used to buy a 10 core i9 2020 iMac, so Apple still got a sale out of it). If it doesn't do what their marketing says it should do, it seems fairly clear to me that the contract of sale is broken and you should be entitled to return the machine...
@@8thunder893 Thanks for the advice. Could you tell me which country you are from?
Originally, I was in the US as an International student when, in fact, Apple replaced my 15 inch 2018 MacBook Pro (had multiple unfixable repairs with that too) and instead gave me a 16 inch MacBook Pro (at the end of July 2020). Unfortunately, I left the US about 3 weeks after that and returned to my country of origin. I'm not sure if I am gonna go back as I'm no longer a student there. That being said, I'm definitely gonna talk to Apple Support and ask for a refund.
I appreciate your response. I'll keep the folks here update about what happens. This whole scam is just unacceptable.
@@bloodlustuponme Apple have a worldwide warranty. You can buy a computer in the USA and have it repaired under warranty anywhere else. If you bought it directly from Apple, you should have no problem. It is pretty straight forward. Apple need to make the machine work the way they advertise it, or refund it. If you plug 2 x display (or even just 1 in my experience) and the computer's performance goes to hell, it is unexpected behaviour.. They did not warn you that you could not use the machine in that configuration before purchase, in fact exactly the opposite.. Their website says you can drive 2 x 6K XDR displays from a 16" MacBook Pro, and also that its upper ambient temperature limit is 35 degrees C. If the machine misbehaves with those parameters (my machine was failing when the temperature went over 29 degrees in the room), then they either need to make it work, and show you that it can work, or refund it. It seems very clear to me.. If they complain that you should have brought it back sooner, my answer was that the whole world was in lockdown for the initial many months of my ownership of the machine, and also that at the time it was not clear to me that this was a design flaw.. I did try to solve the issue myself (freshly installed OS, cooling the machine with 2 large 240v fans, turning TurboBoost off etc. However It is not my job to troubleshoot or diagnose a design flaw. I was on my way down a stupid rabbit hole that was not my fault... I was quite annoyed with Apple at that stage. My machine was everything except storage specced to the max (only thing mine was limited on was 'only' 2TB of SSD. Everything else top spec). My computer cost me £3700, plus 2 x £1000+ LG Ultrafine displays (that I also bought directly from Apple). That is a LOT of money for a machine that would never work the way they said it should. It wasted a lot of my time and money through no fault of mine. As I have said elsewhere, I love Apple, they have provided me with extraordinarily cool equipment as well as a lifelong career in IT consulting and programming. However the laptops are being pushed further than they can reliably work (I went through a total of 5 x 15" Touch Bar MacBook Pros. All of them had failing keyboards, or failing displays (big blue blotches), or were bought new within a few weeks of a new product announcement. Apple were very good about swapping machines out for me. After the 15" keyboard debacle, I switched to an iMac Pro. It was great. Had it for a couple of years before Apple brought out the 16" MacBook Pro. I was seduced by the power and portability, which were second to none. However when I tried to use my laptop as a desktop (with external displays) all hell broke loose. Also as I have said elsewhere, I have now moved back to an iMac 2020 for my desk, and it is flawless. For portable, I am using a 2018 Touch Bar 13" with no expectation that it will do my actual work. It is just for portability and consulting work I do. If I am out and I need power, I remote into my iMac. I am in the UK.
@@8thunder893 thanks a lot. I’m gonna contact apple today and make my point. I’m in a very similar situation as you were in, and I really appreciate your response.
@@bloodlustuponme Good luck with it. Update us :) Be firm. At the end of the day, the machine needs to perform as they say on their website. If it performs at a lower level with an easily reproducible configuration, they either need to make it perform normally, or repair it. They can keep replacing / repairing til the cows come home, the machine is not going to work properly with external displays connected, so they must either fix it so it does, or refund it. BTW, this isn't an Apple exclusive problem.. Dell has the same issue with the XPS (see here: www.ultrabookreview.com/14875-fix-throttling-xps-15/), and I am sure that any manufacturer who uses the same cpus will have the same problem, unless they make a gigantic case and fan for it (Alienware? - Nope - They have the problem as well - www.dell.com/community/Alienware/Area-51m-R1-GPU-throttling/td-p/7422671/page/1 ). Everyone, do yourselves a favour, if you need a powerful computer, get a desktop. If you must have a portable machine, go for the lowest spec and use an EGPU, or remote into a more powerful machine for work..
I use the MacBook 16" i9 for photo and video editing and as soon as I open Lightroom and/or premiere/final cut (basically any editing software that switches to the Radeon Pro GPU, the fans kick in ... is this normal behaviour? I upgraded from a mid 2014 MacBook Pro for lack of a dedicated graphics card for video editing and it was basically silent all through. On the 2019 MacBook, I get good performance but loud fan noise and battery drain...
Hello Billy, thanks a lot for your video :) I'm trying to build a set-up with a laptop to use mostly for Logic and audio editing / production. Ideally I would like to use 2x 4k displays and the laptop display, is there any way to achieve this with or without external hardware? Cheers
Hi Pedro, from my experience there is no way to do this with the Macbook 16" without excessive fan noise/heat. But with an external GPU you could probably make it work if you had to.
@@BillySalisbury Thanks for your reply! I'm going to do some more research about eGPU! Cheers
@@necrophobiccc from what I understand, if you have an eGPU capable of running the two 4k monitors, then the Radeon dGPU shouldn't jump to 18w, avoiding the overheating issue.
I found many articles and posts on forums about this issue, a lot of frustrated and infuriated people, and no Apple's answer so far. I have the same problem! I bought it without conducting proper research and after 3 months the logic board was completely damaged. It is under warranty but how can a laptop of ~$4.000 AUD be so bad to this point. The heating problem is just annoying! I just turn on the laptop, connect the monitor, and don't even start using it and the computer is fucking hot. Thanks for your video! And it will be the last MacBook I will buy.
Thanks for this. You are exactly describing my issue with the Fan Noise especially when considering Logic and Audio Recording. Let’s see if there’s a fix, even thinking of upgrading to the 5600M (the HBM2 seems to handle this better). My workaround is as you describe Clamshell mode and turbo boost disabled....
I’m assuming that most 16 inch customers won’t bother with the 5600M as the 5600M is a whopping $800+tax to upgrade from 5300M in the US. Besides, they only started selling the 5600M since July 2020, so you never know which issues might pop up with the 5600M. At this point, Apple gotta get their shit together and fix the ‘Pro’ laptops that they already sold us
Do we Have Any Solution for this issue? I am also facing the same Issue.
Amen to your video. I’m not alone... any REAL fix in 2021?!!
same problem
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@@vaibhavk8799 Interesting... have you tested this? I've ordered some thermal pads so will give it a go... otherwise I'm selling my 16" to buy an M1 laptop.
I used a notebook cooler with Volta app to control CPU power and adding cooling to the macbook
I have the same issue but at least with two external 5K Displays and Clamshell mode. It drives me crazy. Since then I started googeling for fanless Windows Machines. And they exist. It's a dream to have no Fannoise since I have the Macbook Pro 16" 2019. I also have the issue, that sometimes everything starts to lag. Then I need to switch one display off and on and it works again. It's the first Apple device I am really disappointed about.
Thank you for your insights. It doesn’t apply to my case though. I’ve got three external monitors and always used my MBP 2018 in clamshell mode. It keeps ~6000 rpm when light workloads are applied, even with low power mode activated (45W~60W in total somehow reaches the thermal bottleneck of the device)
Hi man) Pleas tell me what app you use for monitoring fans, cpu, energy in real time
? Thanks
iStat Menus
@@BillySalisbury Thank you!
I have this overheating/fans blasting like crazy issue too on my Macbook Pro 16" 2019 with 5500m GPU when using an external monitor.
Apple really should fix it!!!!!! It's basically useless with an external mnitor!
Same here; paid around 3700 USD dollar for a MacBook Pro 16, and once I connect external monitors to it, it's not usable anymore because of the throttled-down system.
Thanks, Billy for the post. I just bought a new MacBook pro 16 inch spent over $3K, and found out I have the same problem with overheating and fan noise with basic use. Heat is so bad neither my cooling fan nor ice packs make it better. Terrible! I regret buying it. Worst Apple product I've ever purchase.
If you bought it direct from Apple take it back now and demand a refund
This is Billy btw
MBP16 intel is 2019. Why you buy a 2019 MBP16 in 2021 ???? The new MBP16 with M1 max is a monster....You can go to about this Mac and you will see the year is 2019 model....
Never buy a Mac which everyone know that they are going to release a new one soon.
How are you getting all the information on the top bar??
What happens to mine is that when I have my MacBook Pro connected to the power through the USB C cable and my 34” ultra wide monitor and the laptop screen opened. It gets a little hot but it does not trigger the fans. However, if I disconnect the laptop from the power. It takes minutes to start getting really hot and fans going crazy. Weird.
Thanks for doing this video. I’m also using Logic and UAD (the UAD mixer also uses the Radeon GPU by the way, which is a problem too) but I don’t have an external monitor yet. I can’t stand the fans noise when making music. Yesterday I found that the computer runs quieter when I move the Ableton or Logic window to Sidecar on IPad and let the main display of the MBP switch off after a minute. It’s really a shame to have to use that kind of cheap workaround on a 3600€ machine… i can confirm that according to Apple there’s no problem with these machines, my MBP 16 inches just came back from a local Apple shop, they erased the disk and reinstalled Big Sur and that’s it… but of course the problem remains.
No problem. If you can return it, then I would do that and buy an M1 machine. After a year of hassle dealing with Apple, they've finally agreed to just give me 20% off a new machine (they can't refund me as I bought it from a third party reseller). I'm waiting for the 14" M1 MBP to come out as the lack of ports on the 13" is another big hassle!
What is the app you're using at 4:27?
Well it sure is not ideal, but I'm glad you took the time to experiment... my MBP16 now runs cooler in clamshell mode. Dropping from 18w to 3.6w powerdraw on the GPU. Thanks! Again, not ideal, but I was only using my internal display for spotify so turning it off is an easy "fix" for me.
happy it helped!
If it is not too much to ask, can you please make a video to explain Turbo Boost Switcher Pro and how to use it to minimize the issues? I also wonder if using such a 3rd part app wouldn't be violating the Apple Support warranty?
Hey people. I know this might not be a true fix, but I bought a Razer Core X Chroma, and added an AMD RX580 I still had in a tower PC, and the MBP now works really silently. fans never go more than 2000-2500 rpm, except when I'm doing huge CPU processing like video encoding or loading a very very demanding project file in Cubase / Logic (like crazily demanding) and even that.. the only thing that makes my fans ramping to the 4000-4500 RPM range is video encoding.
With an Gpu enclosure, the wattage of the DGPU never go more than 2,5 W (and it goes to 4 watt if you open the MacBook lid)
I know it's another investment , but trust me, it really works. And it can be only 500 $ worth of investment. And if you work with external monitors, it means you work mostly in one place (like your home) so you don't have to move the E Gpu enclosure every day to another place. And if you want to use your MacBook Pro outside your home, simply use only the internal graphic card..
My laptop is completely unusable with the external monitor and laptop screen on.
After a few hours of work, complete overheating and thermal throttling. It gets so bad the it stops being able to fully render the screen.
Unplug monitor, 20 seconds latter its like there was never any issue in the first place.
I got the same issue
still have the issue? I just bought a 16inch mbp same specs as yours..should i return it?
I would
Yeah, I wish I hadn't bought mine. No fix for this issue.
Is it fixed in 2024 ?
Wondering if there's any updates on this problem. Didn't realize how serious it is until I tried to use an external display for video editing tasks. Shame on Apple.
no fix yet (and I think there will never be one), if an iPhone had a problem this big it would already have been replaced, but it's a MacBook Pro which only few people have so apple doesn't care.
It already got better with Mac OS Big Sur (fans only 2800rpm ) but still I contacted the apple support. They said that this is a known problem and they are already trying to fix it. If they didn’t lie I hope we get a fix soon
no fix at all. Sell it and buy any m1 Mac will run cool and silent. But you no longer can cook egg on the top of it.
So glad to see this video, thought it was me or my setup or I was going mad. I have full spec 2019 16” mbp and an Apple XDR, the whole set up cost me £8k+, and yet I can’t even have a Zoom call without my machine throttling due to this issue. I can’t close the laptop as the xdr doesn’t have a camera. What a joke. I have been using and buying Apple products at scale for 25+ years, and have literally spent hundreds of thousands on their products, buying for large agencies as well as myself and family, and I am now looking at PC - it’s a sad day. All style and bloated costs, it’s amazing the power and seduction that style has over substance. How can someone spend £8k+ and not be able to use it!!! wow.
Did you buy direct from Apple? If so you can demand they upgrade you to an M1 machine as the 2019 machine does not perform as advertised. I bought from a 3rd party, so in the end the best I could manage was getting Apple to give me 20% off a new machine and selling my old machine on eBay. I got the M1 Pro 14” and it performs exactly as I had expected the 2019 model to… fast and silent. The fact they didn’t recall that model is basically criminal.
Also, in the meantime try low power mode in Monterey 👍
@@BillySalisbury thank you, yes I did this last night funnily enough, after watching a video about it, not sure if it has helped yet, I will see over the next day or so.
@@BillySalisbury actually I didn’t think of this, I will see if this latest Monterey and power down thing works, if not, I will write to them, and yes I did purchase direct from Apple, will see I suppose. Thank you for your suggestions.
@@Garden27796 If you bought from apple I would go back into the shop you bought it from and demand to swap it for an M1 machine. Say it can't perform as advertised.
YES i have the same issue, I downloaded and app called TG Pro where you can edit the fan speed depending on the heat. It obviously keeps the computer cooler but the fans are so loud. So annoying this is even a thing.
If I have no intention of using the laptop with an external monitor, will the fan noise still be a problem?
Not in my experience, no. I have noticed the laptop makes a slight whine even when fans are at minimum, but you can only hear it in a silent room.
The 2019 MacBook Pro 16 is my first Apple machine. I have two 1080p monitors, and noticed this behavior the very first time I connected them. No heavy programs running; just Safari and the terminal. This platform being new to me, I thought it was "Apple normal". I love many aspects of this machine, and I accept it on its own terms - but there are some ways in which my Lenovo ThinkPad performs much better.
Are you using it in clamshell mode? i.e. plugged into power with the laptop closed and just the external monitors? That fixed it for me.
@@BillySalisbury Yes, I tried that and it worked. I wonder whether the issue is the addition of a third display or the opening of the lid. Curious.
Great video! Completely having the same problem and worse yet, if I run any sort of fan speed management application, after approx 5 minutes Activity Monitor reveals the Mac has hijacked the system with a “kernel task” that is over 1000% CPU tying up the entire computer making the computer basically unusable until I disable the app - even though the app is sensor based and keeping the required temperatures in normal safe territory! What’s up Apple?? Please fix this. I’m running a professional recording studio and this 16 inch MacBook Pro has more than enough power for the 500+ track logic session I just created for a film and temperatures are running in the 80° range but yet the fans are at max at 5600 RPM. The variety of fan control apps Indicate the fans only really need to be around 2600 RPM to sustain the temperatures that are safe under full load with that big of a session. I spent a lot of time making a very quiet control room. Why are you preventing me from being able to use a fan control software that manages fan speed based on what the computer actually needs rather than just ramping them to full speed when I have the computer doing any type of work?
Yeah I could confirm that the Kernel_task shit appears after minutes connecting the external display. I read somewhere that this shit is to bring the system into a throttling status to prevent crashing. So it acts as Apple’s desire. Being told by this video, the extra 18W pumping may be the trigger to launch the Kernel_task automatically and then our Mac becomes wasted.
Just bought mine 2 weeks ago. Got my hub today and experienced this shit. If this is the issue, will they accept a return? I want to return it or trade it for M1. No external monitor heat issue with M1? Anyone?
Hey man! What software are you using to monitor your temps and turbo boost?
iStat Menus, Turbo Boost Switcher Pro
@@BillySalisbury What is the other app you're running at 4:30 (with the AMD Radeon Pro at the top of the window)? Thank you.
@@dzuanazzi It's called TG Pro, it's a fan control app. But to be honest I don't use it as the fans are coming on for a reason and forcing them to spin lower will just make the laptop overheat even more. Other than that use, all the other sensor info etc is also available in istat menus.
@@undercoverhippy Thank you for the info. I've been using istat to monitor the system, mainly when using an external monitor as it gets really hot. I couldn't get the AMD GPU to get cooler (~ 4W) when using the Turbo Booster Pro in a clamshell mode as shown in the video. It keep dragging 18-19W of power. It's really bad engineering. Unfortunately, Apple won't give a s*** since they are transition to their own chip.
@@dzuanazzi Hey David. So even in clamshell mode it draws 18w? How many monitors do you have attached? As I understand it, it's to do with a mismatch in the refresh rates/resolutions of the monitors. That's why having the laptop open always triggers it, as no external monitor has exactly the same resolution/refresh rate as the laptop screen. But if your two externals are identical it shouldn't jump to 18w. I have two 1080p monitors, both 60hz refresh rate. So even though they're different brands, it still works. But it's possible that 4k or 5k monitors might affect it differently. Worth doing some testing though!
Yes, very frustrating when you spend 4k dollars on a new Macbook and no solutions or sympathy from Apple. I also you Logic as well as the Adobe Suite and I wish I had not made the purchase. Looks like I'll have to move back to PC. :( Such a shame.
Thank you for a great video!
Next thing would be to check if the same issue appears in Boot Camp.
I'm not into the system details at all, but it would be interesting to know if this is a operating system based issue, a driver issue (or deeper into the EFI (Mac's BIOS equivalent), or a hardware issue.
This is really a fan-gate...
I'm hoping this is not an hardware issue that cannot be fixed and that Apple and maybe AMD will fix this ASAP.
I've tried bootcamp and windows 10. Same issue. I have a horrible feeling it's a hardware incompatibility/design flaw and unfixable, and Apple will never acknowledge it without serious pressure as it would mean a recall.
It doesn't appear in BootCamp. So it is 100% a software issue. But why are they not fixing it??! Is it that hard ?!
I used a vacuum cleaner blow function to get the dust out of my macbook pro 2020 and now the heating issue is gone .
Please try it first before using any other methods like fan software and change of cables.
Thanks for the tip, but this is an issue with brand new laptops.
@@undercoverhippy That's bad . Try putting charging cable and monitor cable on different sides of macbook. You can also try using displayport instead of HDMI cable. good luck .
Bought mine in 2020 . It's a shame a 2.400€ machine can't perform a simple Zoom/Meet call. It's 2022, everyone does online meetings, and i can't. I'm a freelance developper, so i often need to do it. I was okay with not using an external monitor since 16 inch is enough for me, and i'm often not working at my place. But having to tell your client to call you via the good old phone and not being able to show your screen / face, seriously... For a thing so expensive.
I was hoping I would find a reasonable solution to all the heat fan issue from connecting to monitor. I've been doing zoom college since spring 2020 & found I needed to upgrade my 2012 MBP to something compatible w school programs. I got a 2019 MBP Sep 2020. I wanted to be more comfortable this yr & got a monitor. I'm just now noticing all the loud noise & heat issues. Ive seen class actions for far more inexpensive devices like iPhones, has anyone heard of class actions for these defective computers? They can't just get away with selling us this, can't they?
Only way I got it to stop fan noise going insane was to plug it in via HDMI and not USB C. im running a 4k monitor so it also provides it power. I also can't use a dock because it'll make the fan run high. Clamp shell or not didn't make a difference for me
I just ordered a 16 inch Macbook Pro before seeing this, should I send it back and get a Windows based machine with comparable/ better specs?
You have 28 days to try it out no? Test it with your setup and see how you get on. Watch my video and see if yours does the same. If it does and you want to use external monitors then I’d send it back personally.
@@BillySalisbury actually since I bought from my Best Buy during holiday months I have till January lok
@@BillySalisbury I got the same model as you roughly the 5500m and i9. I won't be connected to an external monitor much I could have sworn I saw there's a fix for the wattage issue on a forum some setting you can set with third party software
@@xTraceless1 Nothing that I've come across, but if you manage to find where you saw it I'd be very interested to check it out!
@@BillySalisbury ruclips.net/video/EkmdHVfk4XE/видео.html&feature=emb_title
my Mac Pro 16 uses always 18 W, referring to iStat what it shows on Radion High side, even in Clamshell mode with just 1 monitor, via a CalDigit Dock? What's wrong?
Is it a 4K monitor? If so then lots of people have the same issue. Some have found changing the refresh rate of the monitor using a third party app helped, but others not. If you can get a refund then I would do that.
@@BillySalisbury It's with QHD monitors, on multiple office locations. I am now in contact with Apple Support, lets see where this leads to
@@HaraldAchitz Good luck with that!
Thanks, I know ....
@@HaraldAchitz hey! Please share how your experience has been with Apple Support and if they are willing to refund you, I’m in the same process right now.
Same issue with 16'' Mac Book Pro. Really it sucks. Apple should fix.
Thanks for posting this video, Bill.
Could the additional power draw come from the fact that the dedicated graphics card is also powering the internal display itself including the back light, where as that power is being drawn from the wall outlet for the dedicated displays?
I don’t think so no. You can see I’ve posted the power used to run just the laptop display, and the external display. The total of both is greater than the sum of the parts by a very large amount.
Hi, idk what kind of wizardry is going on with my computer, but yesterday I switched the graphics to dedicated only because some stuff where a bit laggy with the integrated card, and since then my computer is pulling around 18w for the whole system and 7w for the radeon at idle, while connected to two 4K displays (one is the dell U2720Q connected through usb-c with PD, and the other is a U2718Q connected with usb-c to DP cable) - temperature is 52°C. NOTE: turbo boost enable!
When I watch a 720p video on youtube it goes to 25w for the whole system (around 11w for gpu) and goes to around 57°C to 64°C and the fans are stable at 1700rpm.
I tried to switch back to dynamic switching but it didn't affect the results. I'll have to see if after I reboot the machine if it will keep being like this, but I'm pretty sure this was not the behaviour before, it use to be really noisy after just watching a few youtube videos. Now even watching a 4K 60 fps video on youtube the fans are not ramping up, that's insane... it goes to around 19w for the gpu and 40w for the whole system and it stays stable at 72°C and 1700rpm, you can't even ear it...
I'm under the impression that we've been all pointing fingers at the dedicated gpu when in fact it's the integrated gpu that is messing up the whole thing
Hmm, that’s interesting... it would be hard to blame the integrated graphics for anything involving external monitors though, as I’m pretty sure the dedicated gpu will always be used when using external monitors. I’ve seen quite a few people more savvy than me claim that as fact. So I guess someone else has changed... are you in clamshell mode or using the laptop screen as well as the external monitors?
@@BillySalisbury You're right, it's not related to the integrated graphics. I realise that since I started using iStat I'm able to monitor behaviour changes in the wattage usage when using different apps, turns out some things are really not well optimised and it makes huge spikes in wattage, I'm avoiding to use those if I want peace and quiet. But somehow my computer at idle connected to two 4K displays is pulling only 6w for the gpu and 10w for the other components, which is great tbh. But on normal usage even simple web css animations can trigger really high spikes and that's what causes the computer to heat up - at least for me. (i've tried many browsers and they all behave the same). When I realise my computer is pulling a lot of power I try to diagnose what's causing it, and then evaluate if I need to be running that or not... many times I'm just keeping something open for convenience, if don't really need it I close the program or the tab for that moment and the computer cools down (it's a big pain in the ass to have to do that).
It's like a big v8 engine that consumes a lot of gas, it uses all the available power to go through any simple task, which is totally overkill and it results in these crappy temperatures/behaviour.
Right now I'm trying to sell this laptop and buy a mac mini m1 and a macbook pro m1, for the same money I can get two computers that behave way better than this crap mbp 16. I'm really upset because I invested a lot to have a professional machine and all I end up with is an average beautiful computer and tons of headaches because of the freaking noise.
@@felipeschulz2485 Yeah, tell me about it! Do you have the i9 machine with the 5500m graphics? The 5300m doesn't seem to have the same problem. Are you running in clamshell mode? It may be that your spikes in power usage are just caused by turbo-boost. Have you tried disabling TB?
Finally someone speak it!
Will an eGPU fix this problem?
I've been wondering the same thing. I've heard that it should make it loads better. In my experience it is very much the graphics chip that is causing the extra heat, assuming you have Turbo Boost disabled. With TB enabled it gets hot regardless. But I am tempted to just fork out for an egpu so that when I'm at my desk using external monitors I have a useable machine. Madness, but Apple won't help.
Yes, any external GPU that prevents the internal AMD GPU from being used will prevent the power draw.
Has this issue been resolved?
it can't be resolved, it's a design flaw.
Yes. No throttling if the laptop is turned off. That was the trick. You just have to keep the laptop turned off.
I have a macbook Pro 13" 2019 with the same issue. I went for the smaller soze because I knew I would be using 2 monitors and only disconnect when travelling. I came from a macbook Pro 2015 with the same setup. I actually though there was no fan as I never once heard it go off!. I have put up with this for a year now, but starting to do recordings with camtasia. The fan kills the sound quality so it's not fit for purpose. Mac support took me through a load of steps, ending in a complete disk format and fresh OS. No difference. 2 days wasted. Pissed off. I am going to get to the point of making them admit there is no fix and then try to get a new macbook (which run much cooler) through my lease company. Its a blatant design error...
That’s a shame, I had heard the 13” was better... let us know how you get on! I’m almost at the end of my one year Apple care but it’s so exhausting trying to get them to admit it’s a fault... 😣
It is kinda sad, but the only way for me to stop hearing these annoying fans at almost minimum load was to selling my 16 MBP and buy another M1 for almost half price, sad but true.
Sadly I’m coming to the same realization except trading it in for the new iMacs. This laptop is such a POS
Thank you. Very helpful 👍🏾
Thank you for doing this. Mine is hopefully arriving again tomorrow as they had to replace logic board after 7 months. Has anyone else tried the suggestions I’ve seen on YT of using direct DisplayPort cable into a port (rather than a extension hub and vga? Also apparently there is a another fix with an app I’ll find I made a note of it but to late to go down for it now etc.. that helps it run at 60fps with some kind of display scaling hack that people have had some joy with
You're welcome. I tried the refresh rate software hack but it did nothing for me. I think it helps for some types of 4k/5k monitors. I've heard people saying that the issue still persists even with the recommended monitors from the apple store with the latest cables etc. But I can imagine that some types of adapters etc could perhaps make it even worse. But it seems that the gpu power usage jump from 4w to 18w when plugging in an external monitor is always present except in clamshell mode.
@@BillySalisbury 😭🙏
Same issue. Cannot have the machine in the same room as a live mic when using logic. But hey, that’s what I bought it for!
It's a joke huh. One thing I've found is that Logic causes the CPU to run at maximum turbo boost clock speed constantly, which is just mad. Even when you aren't doing anything. I've taken to always having Turbo Boost Switcher Pro running to disable Turbo Boost when using Logic. It's still fast enough to handle pretty big projects, but it doesn't heat up as much. This is of course using external monitors in clamshell mode. Open laptop plus external monitor is never going to work. Good luck!
i have similar issues with 2019 16'' i9 5300M with single Dell s2415h 1080p through HDMI cable
what's the app name for showing temperature?
iStat Menus
@@BillySalisbury Thanks ( it was pretty quick response )
It is just a fraud. We should start a class action. 2500 euros and you cannot use with an external monitor at all
Absolutely. That seems to be the only thing that gets Apple's attention and makes them act. So far none of the tech websites have even covered it though...
@@undercoverhippy We have to contact them asking them if they can talk about this issue.
Apple is never gonna fix this issue. Their engineers say that this is expected behavior. Buy anything else than this 16" MacBook Pro if you want to use an external monitor other than this critical flaw it is a sweet machine.
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6000 rpm.
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Mine is useless on its own. Just screen recording of safari the system throttles to the point of being unusable. The annoying thing is, it wasn't like this in the first months until the last update of Catalina. Right now its unbelievable I played football manager 2020, one of the most CPU demanding games before that update
Mine works fine.
The worst investment I have ever made. This MacBook Pro has a lot of bugs, I have a lot of videos about them.
Apple don't solve the problem. I just want my money back.
Having this exact issue now
I believe Apple wants us to buy new machines every year just like like their production frequency. It runs as it is intended to… in my case no external display whatsoever just launch Logic Pro X and the noisy fans kick in at full speed as if I was rendering a complex video project. Very frustrating to say the least.
Logic X is particularly annoying as for some reason it causes the CPU frequency to jump to overclocked state permanently, but you can make it quiet by using either the "Low power mode" in OS Monterey, or using "Turbo Boost Switcher Pro" to kill the CPU turbo boost. Not ideal, but I would always keep this way unless my project was struggling to play back.
@@BillySalisbury Exactly, I got both the free gfx and TBS running to control the use of Power/Energy hangry apps and Graphics acceleration.
All my Audio Projects are bounced in place and committed which not ideal for making changes but I have to live with the decisions I make until I get an Apple Silicon Arm-based processor technology PC.
Best regards!
@@Moroccan_Dunes-Sirocco_Tunes I sold my 16" and bought the 14" M1 Pro. It's totally silent. But for logic you have to change some settings or it keeps giving system overload errors. If you do this it seems to work fine: ruclips.net/video/W3zabsRfT8c/видео.html
I'm here because this is a problem with my MBP 16" 2020 and an external display. It's gone really abad after 4 months of laptop use. The display goes wonky and the fans go crazy and super super slow. I need 2 monitors but have only 1 external, so can't run in clamshell mode.
Same here 🙋🏻♂️
As soon as I plug in my external monitor the laptop fan goes crazy and the laptop has serious lag on every application I use to the point its unusable. Joke for a laptop that cost me over £3k
I can see it being a ploy. They'll suddenly have a fix, but it will require us to use Apple displays. $$$$$$$
Same issue!!
I’m connected to 4 displays, and I have a base model and it works fine
Hey, thanks for sharing. Do you mind telling us which exact machine you have and the displays you’re using? Thanks
@@BillySalisbury base model 16 inch
And the displays I’m using are : Acer nitro xv340ck P at 3440x1440p at 144hz, dell e2417h in 1080p at 60hz, acer s211hl in 1080 at 60hz and the 32s335 (which is the 32 inch Tcl tv in 1080p at 62 hz)
@@yungy3n839 base model 6 core or 8 core? Mine is the base model with the 8 core i9 which I think gets way hotter than the 6 core i7. Could explain the difference perhaps?
Billy Salisbury I have the 2.3 ghz i9 8core with 512gb and 16gb 2666mhz ram
please check your microphone before uploading these videos, I have to turn the volume up three fourths of the way before i can hear you!!
Has anyone tried these tips here? ruclips.net/video/EkmdHVfk4XE/видео.html
Also I've used an app called App Tamer that can help with at least CPU throttling.
And finally there's always re-applying the thermal paste on the CPU trick.
I have the 2020 version and the problem is still there. I use this laptop for music recording and my condenser mics pick up ridiculous fan noise. Very poorly designed for something at this price point. Overall disappointed.