MACBOOK PRO 16 INCH Thermal Design Flaw 3 Minute Mod Solution Performance Increase GUARANTEED
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- Опубликовано: 17 окт 2024
- Macbook pro 16in from 2019 release has a major VRM thermal constraint that prevents proper power delivery to CPU and GPU
This quick video provides a solution to the problem.
If you have gaming performance issues with your macbook pro this video is a must watch
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Thanks for the tip bro. For those of you who are here because of the loud fans with external monitor issue: I tried this mod yesterday and it won't fix it, but it does keep the temps slightly lower so the fans kick in a bit later. But they still kick in under light loads. The issue with the external monitor is caused by the GPU jumping from 4w to 18w power draw as soon as you plug in an external monitor. This has something to do with the GPU ramping up it's memory usage as soon as there is a mismatch of refresh rates / resolutions between displays. No way around it other than work in clamshell mode with one or two external monitors that have the same resolution and refresh rate. If using Logic Pro, I've found I have to use Turbo Boost Switcher Pro to disable turbo boost, or have fans running full pelt. For some reason Logic Pro pushes the CPU to maximum clock speed even when nothing is happening. I made a video about the GPU issue here: ruclips.net/video/6mS4AAdft_M/видео.html
If you are going to try this mod, be aware that the back plate is a bit fiddly to get off, not like the old macbook pro's. It has two clips that need to be pulled free, then another two hinge clips that means you have to pull the back plate horizontally, not up.. Check some videos before attempting! Also, if you plan to work with the laptop on your lap at all, don't do this mod, it does get pretty hot underneath! Although that said, it's mainly the external monitor that makes it hot, and when it's on your lap you won't be using one!
Macbook pro 16in's thermal design forces the fan to kick in the moment it reaches total power withdrawl of more than 30w.
There is nothing you can do about this. Obviously a thermal design flaw but any laptops with dgpu connected to external monitor will activate its dgpu not igpu
@@notefromone2925 Ahh, I'd not heard that before. I don't mind the fans kicking in a bit, but with an external monitor they end up ramping up to a very noisy level, plus the temps often sit above 80c which just doesn't feel like it's going to be good for the lifespan of the laptop. I actually just removed the thermal pads as I think I'm going to sell this laptop and get an M1 machine, and the pads were creating a slight bulge in the backplate. It's pretty tough to get them just touching the plate without pressing it! Out of interest, when your gaming, are your fans maxed out and your temps up in the 80-100c range? And are you using the laptop in clamshell mode?
My experience also
I f*cking hate my first macbook pro 2019 16, thanks Apple for giving me a bad 1st experience
@@notefromone2925 if anyone's following this now, apple has partially fixed the issue. if you go to battery in settings and set the laptop to low power mode, it will not longer trigger full load on the GPU when plugged into an external display.
Your mod Fixed my throttling on my MacBook 16 i9. Its in clamshell again with external monitor and no throttling while working on music! THANK YOU!!!!!
2024 I just tried these tips and it's 100% work with me, after adding the thermal pad I ran the R23 benchmark and the maximum temperature get is only 80c, so awesome man
This 100% works - highly recommend - my fan speeds seem to be down 5-10 degrees c. It now sits around 47-48 degrees c with a few apps open when developing mobile apps with flutter. Supplementary tip - install Mac Fan Control and set to full blast when running high loads.
I don't know how or why but this fixed all my performance issues with Big Sur on my 5600m 16in MacBook. Stuttering and lag with just desktop use on an external monitor. I don't need to pull my hair out anymore! Thanks!!!
Wow! I couldn't believe it. It worked perfectly. Before applying the thermal pad the CPU thermal throttling was kicking in after less than half an hour of normal usage. Now I have my Mac back again. Thanks!
I’m sick of the heat issue. Really bad design. This video was the first I’ve seen with a hardware solution. Will look for thermal pads and see if that works. Cheers for to the point video 👍🏼
I just love it when you type in your specific model plus improvement and you’ll get someone with exact solution to whatever your searching for! ❤️
Thanks for the video. It is really helping. One question, should I remove the adhesive backing on the top layer of thermal pads so they stick to the back cover of the MBP? I assume that would make it much harder to remove the cover later.
I did this mod exactly as in your video. Just don’t understand why you put the thermal pads on the lower sections in the middle (thin pads)? I mean no VRM chips there…And btw I believe the most important part to put pads on are the so called mosfets (small black chips). Do you think there is a risk of the pads falling off since they are so thin and stacked?
Nah it all depends on how well you put the lid back on good luck
@@notefromone2925 well the mod worked tho 😚
Thank you so much!!! Just ordered the pads. I just got the 1mm pads. Should I stack up 4 or still 3? What do you think?
hey guys! I love this video and im actually watching it on the same exact mac, I have an issue though, which pad do i buy? I cant find the one in the video. keep in mind I need a budget one. Thank you!
Just applied this, IT WORKS.
thanks for vid! just want to confirm total thickness of pads will be 3mm and 4.5mm? any trouble putting on the backplate afterwards like bulging or not sitting flush?
Yes 1.5x2 = 3MM and 1.5x3= 4.5mm. Since the pads were sticky, I had no trouble putting on the backplate without moving the placed pads. The backplate sits flush and you would not be able to tell any exterior differences. Thanks for watching!!!
Thanks for the video. Question: what makes you advice against connecting the thermal pads to the heatsink? Wouldn't the fans + heatsink help with the cooling? I can imagine the tradeoff being that the fans kick in earlier, or perhaps the bottomcover of the macbook getting hotter, but that wouldn't be as much of a problem to me during gaming.
I attempted this mod several times and it gave me various results. When the pad was attached to heatsink section vrm throttled more because it effectivelt took on the heat dissipated from the cpu and gpu
Paid 4k for the best MacBook Pro 16 inches 😭 I can’t even use an external monitor 😡
This mod will fix your problem
@@notefromone2925 What is your GPU power consumption while you're using an external monitor and the lid is open? is it still around 18 Watts?
@@davidss0nn with the mod my gpu always consumes around at least 40watts with the mod. I can play destiny 2 at 85 percent resolution of 1080p at around 120fps
@@notefromone2925 You mean at least 4watts, right ? With external monitor and lid open ?
@@michaeletienne2489 you cant run a graphic card with 4 watts
I want to do this mod but I have question. Because of the heat transfer, it may increase battery temperature and also may decrese lifespan of battery. Did u check battery temperature before and after?
Hi thanks for the comment. The battery is located far below the chassis. I havent checked the numbers but when I touch the lower part of the laptop, where the batteries are located, the temperature feels much lower than where the VRM is. My battery health is still great
@@notefromone2925 Thank you for the reply. When u use it on your lap how it feels, a lot warmer I guess but is it still acceptable?
@@GoldPunch It does get borderline uncomfortable hot if you push the computer hard
You are a legend dude. This mod fixed the problem.
Thank you brother we are all legend
Hi, I have a few questions:
- Is your MacBook Pro 2020 6 core i7 or 8 core i9?.
- I noticed you have a Midi Keyboard. Do you use Logic Pro X?.
- Did your mod improve/reduce the fan noise under heavy load in Logic Pro X or any other DAW that you might be using?.
- Which GPU do you have 5300M, 5500M, or the 5600M?
Thank you
Hello thanks for watching. Its the core i9 version with 5500m gpu. The mod signifkantly improved every application especially games and adobe premiere pro. I usw cubase and unfortunately i havent tested. But since daw is cpu intensive i am betting it will benefit for sure.Yes it did reduce fan noise for sure but it did cause the laptop bottom to be a little hotter when resource heavy applications ran on the computer since the computer now takes advantage of the cpu horsepower more
@@notefromone2925 Great!. Thank you for sharing this. It might help some of us who are not willing to pay Apple $800 for the 5600M just to avoid fan noise and heat up when connected to external monitors. Thanks again.
thanks for the mod. could you please make a video on how to open the case? i am quite scared on breaking it.
Nice video, why dont you put any thermal pads on the heat sink? I have read online that by doing this you can essentially turn the back plate into a heat sink to help dissipate more heat. Your video says not to though so I am a little confused. Any feedback would be super helpful :)
you want the heatsinks on the CPU and GPU to be taken out the exhaust holes by the fans and not make the base plate hotter even more which may cause battery or other issues. Better thermal paste like Thermal Grizzly Kryonaut on the CPU and GPU would be good while you are in there but I don't have a guide for that. Apple use cheap white paste that has low thermal transfer rate and now is maybe 4 years old now.
What about putting thermal pads on the heat sinks? Would that help transfer the heat out as efficiently. Tho, I have heard that in some cases you need to replace the thermal paste as well.
does this mod significantly reduce fan noise, assuming the fans won't need to work as hard?
That's right !
great tips and video ! After the thermal pad fix, how would the bottom of the MacBook case feels ? is it going to be warmer and hotter than before ? thanks !
Yes the bottom part below the vrm will feel considerably warmer when the gpu is used. Thanks for watching!
The thing is that after the screws, I had a hard time removing the back case :(
@@smartyfool yeah make sure you dont dig too deep to pop out the back cover. You shouldnt need to apply too much force to pop out the lower left corner first.
@@smartyfool Hi, if you still need it, here is another video about how to remove the back case
@@chima6291 where
Wait so dumb question here but do the thermal pads need to be touching the backplate?
Also should I make everything 4.5 mm or do like some 3 mm and some 4.5mm?
What a cool idea. Great, creative tip! My only concern is clearance and the potential damage that could occur from pressure when the aluminum chassis flexes. Would you happen to know if the thermal pads are capable of absorbing or displacing the flex pressure from the aluminum chassis? I've never used a thermal pad (only pastes and adhesives) and I wouldn't want to have a VRM or chip break prematurely. Thanks again for your video!!
The thermal pads will conform to the shape of the vrm. Just don't stack the vrm too much. Yes you will notice the bottom plate bulge a little but the plate is very thin flexible. I think that putting too much heat on the vrm will create even more problem later on. As time goes by the thermal pads will flatten out as well
@@notefromone2925 This sounds good. I will buy materials and attempt the mod soon. Thank you for addressing my concerns, One
Thank you! Just followed your advice. Hoping it helps me too
I think a video explaining how to remove the back cover and whether to remove the black insulating protection would be very useful. Very nice video.
yes teh back insulatio should go.
Did you disconnect the battery while you were working on the laptop ?
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I’ve been fantasizing about polishing the top of the heat pipe and using a thin but large sheet of copper that mates up to all parts the produce heat with maybe a tiny bit of thermal paste and the theory is that the heat will conduct away on the copper sheet into the cast of the MacBook and conduct the heat to the heat pipe where at least some of the heat is transferred into the vapor and liquid in the heat pipe to be expelled into the air. Perhaps even purchase some aftermarket cellphone heat pipes that are paper thin but carry the heat away a short distance possibly to the case or just enough into the air inside the Mac case. Your idea is simple but the idea of using a copper sheet seems like it’ll work great.
Is it normal that thermal pads raise my backpate??. I can see that backpate not fit tight to MacBook case. I see noticeable,but small gap between case and backpate.
I had the same problem as you. Appliedthermal pads(in stack of two,three) on MacBook Pro 15 inch 2019 as It had been impossible to play FIFA more than 10 minutes due to vrm throttling....
I have custom model i9 9880h+Vega 20
Can I receive some recommendations from you please?
Sorry for the late response. I have never used the 2019 version However, if you feel that the thermal pads raises your backplate then I would recommend removing a stack or using a thinner pad(1.0mm eg). The main point is you want to apply pad so that they evenly touches the back plate.
@@notefromone2925 I don’t know why, but this mod don’t fully help me(
After 80-83 degrees I have vrm throttling(
My Mac without cooling stand can hold 50-55 watts(cpu), but due to vrm only 40 watts(
Thank you for the recommendations!
Thank you for this. I cannot wait to try this out! Earlier this week I also bought a laptop cooling pad and they seemed to help keep my GPU clock speed consistently over 1000-1200 when before it would throttle around 500. I will combine both these methods together.
Do you have an Amazon link for the thermal pads?
www.amazon.com/ARCTIC-Thermal-Efficient-Conductivity-Handling/dp/B00UYTTMNI/ref=sr_1_5?dchild=1&keywords=Thermal+pad&qid=1599752803&sr=8-5
Thank you for watching!
Thanks, also did you need to apply thermal paste or do the pads have sticky already?
Thermal paste is not necessary you only need to attach the pads. The pads are not sticky but adhesive enough so that it would not move around
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@@notefromone2925 Thank you so much for this video!!!! Quick question was one 50*50 pad enough to do this mod or are more required?
What about the black tape on the panel? Should that be removed?
No!!!
I want to get this MBP 16 but this issue might be the deal-breaker. How sure this Mod can solve the problem? What will happen IF the Thermal pad touch the CPU/GPU heatsink?
It will absorb the heat from the cpu and gpu which will reduce its capacity to absorb the heat from the vrm
@@notefromone2925 I just bought mine over last weekend. Yup, the heat issue does exist. I used Turboboost switcher to control the temp (indirectly) but still hot when I manually enable the turbo boost. SO, yeah. maybe I should try your solution.
did you remove the black tape from the bottom case?
No i did not
@@notefromone2925 Me neither, and it still shows improvement!
I have the MBP 8Core 2.3Ghz with 5600M, I tried the mod but haven't noticed any performance gains. The GPU still throttles down after 10-20 minutes to lower frequencies. Have you removed the black "sticker" (isolating tape) from the back of the bottom case ? I used the Grizzly thermal minus pads 8. which are rated to 8W/m*K (1.5mm thick) 3 layers.
Check your gpu temperature if gpu temperature itself is not the problem then its the vrm problem still. I did not touch the gpu and cpu themselves. I would just recommend throttling down your cpu go forward power to your gpu
@@notefromone2925 The temps on the GPU reach 90 Celsius around 1100Mhz and then throttle down and stays arround 70 Celsius. Yes I did throttle down the CPU but that didn't help. Did you remove the black tape from the bottom case cover ? Which GPU do you have ?
@@4444DaWe i have the 5500m 8gb its not vrm problem then. You have a gpu thermql throttling problem
Thank you this worked for me i7 5300m
Does it void warranty if I open my Mac like that? Anyways, cool mod man.
As long you do not remove or modify any internal parts the mod does not void your warranty. Thanks for watching!
can anyone confirm this actually helped their macbook pro thermals?
i get mine sometimes to shut down while i game
I use a similar mod with the addition of pads on the cpu/gpu heatsink to lower overall temps.
Awesome glad it worked out for you!
will it help me gain fps ? i have a base 5300m variant. I'm scared to do it lol
Yes it will!
Even without this mod, the eGPU performance of the CPU is completely fine. Mine paired with a 2080 Super in a razer core X would easily sit at 4187mhz and never throttle back no matter how long I was gaming. Now once I disconnected the eGPU and used my 5500m onboard, the VRM issue would step in and drop both clocks to almost nothing. But if you are an eGPU only user, this mod is unnecessary.
That is not true. Depends on product quality I went through 5 macbooks because of cpu throttling when connected to egpu. This was more apparent when using the laptops keyboard when gaming.
Nice easy mod, that is awesome. Thanks for sharing...!!!
Worked like a charm!!
I will love you and thank you till the end of my days
I plan to combine this with the SVALT Cooling Stand S Pro to make the ultimate non-destructive thermal mod
Thanks for watching you will defintely actually reap the benefiting of paying big bucks for the laptop
@@notefromone2925 Yeah but when you connect multiple external monitors the macbook gets hot even while idle. This is mainly because gpu is taking 18w. So when you know you are using external monitors it might be a good idea to just place it on the stand and connect to dock or whatever.
@@notefromone2925 The macbook is most probably reaching just between 50 to 70 celsia max. So I guess it is fine but I dont know how much for example the battery or other components would get affected over time.
@@notefromone2925 Btw thanks for video completely getting inspired and doing the same :D The macbooks are macbooks tho and most of them I had were overheating from time to time with no damage because of it.
@@1337-y8u With this mod I use the laptop with a external monitor(asus x17ahp) to play games and it has no problem. It draws at least 38watts for gpu. The monitor even draws power from the laptop. But yes it can get a little warm if you use the laptop to do basic tasks such as watching youtube. Its unfortunate that you cannot use intel igpu
When using the laptop by itself (without any external display), do you run into stuttering issues with the IGPU. I'm not sure if it's an issue with mac os big sur and how it is optimized with the Intel UHD 630 but at times, when using it, the typing lags a bit and there seems to be a bit of stuttering.
No I do not experience such lag. Perhaps you should consider doing a wipe
@@notefromone2925 yeah sucks because it’s a pain to get everything back on but seems like the only solution l. I did a pram reset, smc reset, nothing did it
Thanks so much! Its very helpful
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I bought a custom refrigerated cooling pad from China just to cool my 16 inch MacBook. Cost me $180 bucks with import tax included!
That is not necessary!!!! Jesus just use this mod and you are golden
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The 16 MacBook Pro with the Intel chip is garbage.
Actually it's quite nice with the mod. Does not throttle